Salam Noshirk
Thank you very much for your interesting post.
Thank you very much for your interesting post.
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Show posts MenuQuoteI do not think the invalidity of salaat and therefore the dispense of it during menstruation comes from islamic sources. In judaism and in the bible menstruating women were unclean and were very restricted, it really looked like an abomination. There are things wrtten about that and there is the bible. That is where it comes from in islam, just as the sacrifice of ibrahim, and so many things, that "islam" has incorporated and which are completely straneous to Qur'an. The menstruation thing was a magnificent weapon to ban women out right from religious "hyerarchy" and religious significance. What are they going to do if they cannot even make prayers? ?Realise?to much from the secondary sources seem to be inspired from the bible. When we read ibn kathir, then he has a big knowledge from the laws and stories in the bible... in fact i think ,that the Quran want correct this mistake and tell the people: look at ME HERE IS NOTHING WRITTEN ABOUT UNCLEANESS!!!!!! In one Aya, Allah shows us the truth and the most of the people( men??) don't like to see it..
To be in ritual impurity is called junub-junuban. Nowhere int he Qur'an does that word appear in connection with menstruation. Nowhwere in the Qur'an is menstruation mentioned or hinted at as an impediment for salaa or fast.
QuoteAgain, Mirjamnur this is nothing directed at you, I just happen to have taken the cue from your message, but it is a general comment.al hamdulillah!
QuoteI can clearly see that the topic got pretty heated up. All I wanted to say was about the possible feeling of uncleanness and therefore willingness to abstain from prayer due to feeling spiritually unclean. I have no experience of menstruation since obviously I am no woman.this i think is probably possible- i am not feeling unclean, but disturbed and many womens suffer from headache or other disease during this time- so it is just a facility for womens to not MUST go in the mosque those times... And Allah knows.
Quote from: mohf on April 14, 2013, 05:20:46 PMi'm sorry, but i don't understand- the word ILLA it does not make a clear exception?? all malaika ILLA ibliis. (for the action sujud AND the subject...??)
Salaam,
Thanks, I haven't noticed that the exception is related to the act (SJD) and not to the subject (alMalaika).
However, it does not really solve the problem.
2:34
وإذ قلنا للملائكة اسجدوا لآدم فسجدوا إلا إبليس أبى واستكبر وكان من الكافرين
And when We said to the angels: Make SaJDa to Adam they did SaJDa, except Iblis. He refused and he was proud, and he was one of the unbelievers.
7:12
قال ما منعك ألا تسجد إذ أمرتك
He said: What hindered you so that you did not prostrate when I commanded you?
We can clearly see that Allah actually did command Iblis to perform SJD, THEN he refused. However in 2:34 Allah has only commanded the SJD to alMalaika alone. So Iblis should be included in alMalaika, or I am making a mistake here.
QuoteCode 19 "researchers" would be more officially successful if they focused on the lesser miracles and stopped analyzing the Quran into pieces.that is exactly the point: again we see the example from the heifer... I came to Quran alone because i dreamed from a preacher and then i read about Rashad Khalifa- i see the 19 in the Quran as one more sign for the truthfulness of it.
Quote from: Aamer on April 14, 2013, 08:43:47 PMyour theory may be right.
After months of struggling to figure this out I have a theory that makes sense to me finally. Please keep in mind that this is only my opinion. I'm not claiming it to be fact. My conclusions came from 74:31 & patterns of history.
Let's start at the top, God sent a book down with Moses. But the Jews over time distorted the Torah and changed Gods laws. They added THEIR Hadith books... The Talmud, Mishnah and Madrash. 1400 years after Moses, God sent Jesus. What was Jesus' mission? I believe it was to expose the lies the Jewish priests had invented against God. His proof? Miracles. His mission lasted two years but changed Worlds history. After Jesus, God let there be doubt. Had he willed, everybody would have followed the truth. It was a test for the people of that era. Most failed the test. They either rejected him or butchered his message and began to worship him. 600 years later, God sends the final book, Quran, through Muhammad. But Muslims repeated the mistakes of the Jews and added or changed Gods laws via Hadith books. So 1400 years after Muhammad, God sends Rashad Khalifa. His message initially? To follow Quran alone, exposing the lies of Muslim clergy. His proof? 19. But he went a little nutty at the end of his life. Got obsessed with 19 & said things not supported by Quran. This was all part of Gods plan. The test now is do we follow Quran alone or Rashad Khalifa and repeat the mistakes of the Christians? You may think Rashad Khalifa's impact on the world is small but just wait. He reignited the Quran alone movement and over the coming years, MANY will join Quran alone Islam. Why? The truth makes sense. The appendices and all other teachings outside Quran are just a test. Was Rashad Khalifa a messenger? It doesn't even matter. I respect the man for his courage and contributions. He was hand picked by God to kick start the new era of Islam. But he is dead now. Quran is our messenger. My theory. Peace.
QuoteBut like in the example of the Heifer, God just want you to show your devotion and sincere belief, he does not ask you to ponder too much upon such as rakah, time and such factors. I read the "our Father in Heaven prayer, 7 verses, in my prayers from time to time.the problem starts, when you come from the back and not from the front- or in other words: when you care only about the form and you forget the devotion- in the end, you alone will be the looser...
QuoteDo prayers as you feel is best, I feel drawn toward traditional style and it feels good except the repetitive sura 1. If the rakah pattern is true, then it is not with repeaing the same words over and over again. By the way, did you know that when you recite sura 1 your lips touch each other 19 times?why? and what has repeating a sura to do with the truthfulness of the Rakaas?
Quote from: Mazhar on April 14, 2013, 04:01:34 AMHow should be the phrase if the exception relates to the angels?? it will be not the same? thank you for clarification- it's very interesting- because this Aya let me to accept, that Iblis was one from the malaikas , i.e the malaikas are jinns. (Sura kahf)
This understanding is because of not determining the inter relationship of words in the Ayah. Angels - plural definite noun are a large group. This word is prefixed with preposition "Li" which denotes that a proclamation was announced-made for them "You people--all the angels pay obeisance for Adam". Then it is told "fasajadu". Complying to the command, they all did pay obeisance. All the Angels complied. The exception relates to the act not to angels. Iblees, mentioned by name and not as one of them, did not comply to the command given to him. This is evident:
"قَالَ مَا مَنَعَكَ أَلَّا تَسْجُدَ إِذْ أَمَرْتُكَ ۖ قَالَ أَنَا خَيْرٌ مِّنْهُ خَلَقْتَنِي مِن نَّارٍ وَخَلَقْتَهُ مِن طِينٍ"
7:12
QuoteThe most recent messenger of the covenant set straight the exact way to do all the practices you mentioned and many more.
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