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A lot of rich people only got rich because they stole or hoarded wealth and/or they extort money from people. Or they abuse the natural resources or animals. 

The shallow enjoyment but eventual misery that comes from these and then the eternal punishment...are you really envious of it. Rich people often live in fear that they are going to have their weath taken from them as well which can't be a good way to live.

Women's Issues / Re: new advice about getting to know a woman
« on: November 20, 2019, 08:19:01 AM »
Hmmm sounds like playing hard to get Muslim-style lol.

Maybe try a bit harder. Show her what you're about. Take her out somewhere without her family and romance her a bit. Courtship is a process, a dance...not a question and answer session. How can she say whether she likes you or not when you haven't shown her who you are.

Women want to be wooed, to be won over - you have to convince her that you're The One if you want her.

what do YOU think

Quincy - dry fasting when you have an infection is actually the best way to beat it.

Nabster - I'm going with what is the most likely equivalent to Shahr Ramadan, from all the discussions it appears to be the 3-day full moon phase CLOSEST to the autumn equinox. It's only called the Harvest Moon in Europe obviously Muhammad's people didn't call it that...and no technological wizardry is needed, the earlier rising times after sunset as well as the increased brightness compared to other moons identify it.

I'm not following where you're getting the '7th full moon after the spring equinox' measurement from? Please explain...

Sardar - As I understand it to fast a day it has to be from first light to last light. Sunrise to Sunset is not good enough. I am taking it to be the beginning of civil dawn til the end of civil dusk. Today this is from 6:09am til 20:05pm where I live in Wales, UK.

Blessed Ramadan everyone.

The Harvest Moon is tonight (in Europe at least). The Harvest moon can be identified by its significantly earlier rising time after sunset compared to other moons. It's now.

If Ramadan means the rain after summer heat then that could be anytime. Unless there's some meteorological evidence that it always comes around the 7th full moon after the spring equinox in the region where Muhammad lived (Petra, Jordan)??

If Ramadan means the Harvest Moon then it's now. If Shahr means a full moon phase of 3 days then that makes Ramadan 2019 the 12th, 13th and 14th September.

I missed yesterday so am aiming for today, Saturday and Sunday instead, God-willing.

Pilgrimage (Hajj) / Re: WHAT MAKAH SHALL BE#2
« on: July 17, 2019, 03:54:14 AM »
Blame the Jesuits and the Zionists for the House of Saud. The English-speaking world has been controlled by them for hundreds of years.

Pilgrimage (Hajj) / Re: WHAT MAKAH SHALL BE#2
« on: July 17, 2019, 03:51:39 AM »
God doesn't curse Arabs in the Qur'an. It says the Bedouin, the nomads, are prone to hypocrisy and disbelief. Muhammad was a Nabbatean who were settled merchants. It's not the English-speaking world which created the circus at Mecca, S.A. Nor was it them who caused the earthquake which led to the abandonment of the original Masjid Al Haram in the Bacca valley (modern-day Petra). The setting up of Mecca in S.A. the Nabbateans did on their own.

┬┐Can you give the aya?



The fct that you put the Bible at he same level as the Qur'an as far as authenticity is concerned does not speak very favourably of your criteria in this matter, in fact is weird. With the worst wishes of the antiQur'nic crowd, there are very, very, very very slight differences between those different Qur'ans you speak about, why don't you list them here ans quote them in arabic? We could see what is their real import. What do they change? Is there in any of them something shocking like the Eve story in the Bible, o what are those horrible and unberble differences? On the other hand clearly the one which is older and no record of it having been changed is the one overwhwelmy used.

So please, quote that unbearable content of the Qur'an that we cannot approve because it is plainly  inmoral, contradictory, etc.


You only think the Qur'an is preserved whilst the Torah was corrupted because you grew up hearing that. Muslims tell themselves that the Qur'an has been preserved because they want to believe God is on their side.

I only speak English. I've read both Rashad Khalifa's and the Monotheist Group translation all the way through. I read ongoing debates about the exact translation. I also read what Arabic speakers have to say about the finer points of some verses to try and get the exact meaning. It appears there are minor differences with major implications between the different Quran versions.

An Arabic speaker discusses it here:

So far I find contradictory: God says he sent it down to Muhammad yet we are also told that Muhammad went on a night journey up to heaven to get it. Why up AND down. We're told it happened on 1 night, a blessed night, yet instructed to fast a few days. Why a few days if it was just one night?? Why does God say he doesn't forgive idol worship yet says he forgives ALL sins? He doesn't forgive idol worship yet says he forgave the Israelites after they worshipped the golden calf in Moses' absence. That was idol worship!

Why the punishment of flogging for fornication yet also the punishment of house arrest for women who commit lewdness. Why both? What type of lewdness is not fornication. Are we to lock women up for life for flirting? Not dressing modestly? How is this right. Why 100 lashes for both men and women yet a woman's testimony is half that of a man. Are we half or equal or what? A man's body can withstand 100 lashes much better than a woman's, how is it fair that they both receive 100. Why not 50 for the woman since she is half that of a man? God is supposed to be compassionate. What if she's pregnant from the fornication. DOES ANYONE REALLY WANT TO SEE A PREGNANT WOMAN GET LASHED 100 TIMES IN PUBLIC??? Should we wait until after she's had the baby? Now she's traumatised and let's imagine she develops depression and rejects the baby and so we have to give it to someone else to raise. It's ridiculous. And don't even get me started on 4:34. These verses encourage hostility and misery between people. They're from men not from God.

The surah order was changed by Uthman. We know that. The surah order is not from God yet we're supposed to believe the content is 100% from God? FFS wake up.

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