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TRASH / Re: The Jinn
« on: Yesterday at 11:54:07 AM »
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The Quran Implied the Present Bible is Corrupted?

There are many verses in the Quran that made reference to the Torah and Injil, i.e.
1. The messenger confirmed the Torah and Injil
2. Messenger and Muslims to judge by the Torah and Injil were relevant

But despite the above, the implications are that the Present Bible is Corrupted because there were changes, omission, etc, and ultimately they have elements of sonship in the Torah, sonship, trinity and crucifixion in the NT and these elements has differ from the original revelations of Allah revealed to the prophets of old.

Therefore as per the Quran [only], the Torah and Gospels as whole Books are corrupted by the Jews and Christians throughout the generations till the present copies.

The only valid way is to reconcile the Torah and Gospels is a verse by verse basis. If the meaning of the verse is the same as the Quran in context, then it reconciliable to that specific verse of the Quran.

So, the Quran Implied the Present Bible is Corrupted?
Agree or if disagree, your views?

Hi Nonetheless and welcome to the forum  :handshake:

Imo the words indjeel and tawraat are not names of books (and certainly not names for what we know now as the gospels and the torah.
They are just like the words hikma, mizaan, etc which are also not a names of books.


Just came into my mind.
How does FE theory explain a lunar eclipse?

Why  do we  gave this  attitude . ..which  rely  on others  to do the  maths  for  us...
Do the math exactly for what? I don't get what you are trying to say.

Everyone  here  has  the brain  to figure  it out . ...
Figure out that it's impossible to project a sphere on a plane and keep the geometry? Or do you mean something else?

The same  mindset   that  exists  inside  Hadiths  followers  is still  inside  those  who  are  Quran  flowers  but  not  necessarily  free  minded .
free minded means?

Surah 108: 1 إِنَّا أَعْطَيْنَاكَ الْكَوْثَرَ

Indeed, we will become most excellent by blending in the abundance of virtues.

Syntactic Explanation:

This is a nominal sentence.  It has Inna  إِنَّ at the start.  This imparts certain changes in iraab إعراب of its subject and predicate.  Its subject gets نَصب or accusative case and predicate رَفع or nominative case. 

It is a combination of particle إنَّ and first personal plural pronoun نا.  This first person plural noun is the subject of this sentence.
Any idea why first person plural is used and not first person singular?
And who is this first person plural? The reader?

أَعْطَيْنَاكَ الْكَوْثَرَ This whole part is the predicate of the sentence or  خَبر .

أَعْطَيْنَاكَ  This realistically is a combination of two words.  Traditionally it is claimed that it is a verb  أَعْطَي  a verb of IV form, there are two pronouns attached at the end.  A subject and an object pronoun, this is an absurd explanation, why would any language use same pronoun again which is نا or “we “ already used at the start of the sentence as subject?  This is ineloquent, grammatically wrong by any measure, if the narrator really meant to say “we gave you”.  The correct way of saying it would be إنَّا إعْطَيْكَ.  However, this is not the case in this verse. Additionally, no modern speaker of language uses this pattern to best my knowledge.

Please contemplate, ask questions, critique, correct or agree before proceeding further.


ok, so what part of your translation is exactly "أَعْطَيْنَاكَ " and what part is "الْكَوْثَرَ" and how did you come to such translations?

tbh with you, it really surprises me that someone with such an unorthodox way of translating is still using schoolgrammar and dictionaries.
I think the quran is not based on some dictionary and schoolgrammar so I think whatever you do, you will always find contradictions and weird stuff which you can not solve with this approach of you.
What I am saying is that maybe it's a good idea to go all in, 50-50 will not work.

North America / Re: WHATS APP GROUP
« on: January 16, 2017, 08:05:20 AM »

So I created a Discord server, it's a free vocal/chat server that let's you create an account for free (no phone numbers involved), add your friends that you can keep contact with them and mention them in your discussions by tagging them (they get notified in their phone/PC). It's also cross platform and you can get the app for free for both iOS/Android or a PC app or just use the browser to browse it as a Web app.

Discord is originaly for gamers, quiet sophisticated and might need sometime to get used to. Though it will do the job if you want to have a group chat (text or vocal), anonymously, for free, on either your pc or phone.
Server location: London

Not sure if I was invited, but looks nice!

49:11 O you who believe, let not any people ridicule other people, for
they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other
women,  for  they  may  be  better  than  they.  Nor  shall  you  mock 
one  another
,  or  call  each  other  names;  miserable  indeed  is  the 
name of wickedness after attaining faith. And anyone who does
not repent, then these are the transgressors.


Can you please quote me where I was mocking.

Brother, I wasn't addressing you only, but everyone who participated.
If you were also referring to my "FE-er" then you could tell me how I should call a random person who believes in a flat earth.

I don't know much regarding the shape of Earth in Quran, but why would the shape matter?
Is it worth to break God's laws because some believe earth is round or flat? If Quran doesn't mention it, then let's all agree that the Earth is flat and round; both sides will be happy.

If anyone has anything from Quran regarding the shape of Earth, please post them...

Lets all agree that gras is green, red and white because the quran doesn't mention it.

Matrimony / Re: The marriage certificate
« on: January 16, 2017, 05:26:13 AM »
So how would a marriage be officiated by Quran alone standards. Like the actual ceremony.  It is an oath, so I believe something might be necessary along he lines of witnesses and a contract, but let me know what you guys think or what the Quran might say on oaths.

I think a marriage is an agreement between 2 individuals with God as their witness, rest is formalities and a lot of culture.

Why not be amicale with someone who claims malaika are females?

Wrong or right, why must one be unfriendly to them?

If I understood him correctly then it's not such a big deal if you claim that a couple of malaikats are female, but it's totally not ok if you claim all are females.

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