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#1
Hello everyone,

Some of you may remember me as a quran alone muslim, defending the number 19 in quran, etc. Well i'd already left quran alone islam around 2011,, from there on i went through amny protestant denominations until finally i became an Eastern Orthodox Christian. The amazing thing is that the mathemtical pattern and even number 19 has an involvement in my journey. I acknoledged for example as Edip Yuksel points out the odds of the arrangement of the muaqataat in the quran being arranged in this manner giving multiples of 19 is about 1/60,000. HOWEVER when i saw the pattern of JUST TWO VERSES in the Bible i.e. Gen 1:1 and John 1:1 when the SAME FORMULA was applied to each of them it resulted in both pi and eulers number to FOUR SIGNIFICANT FIGS exactly, it kinna stuck with me. that was much more powerful with probability lower than 1/1000,000. SECONDLY given that 19 is the number thats so central in the quran it stands to reason that sura 19 verse 19 should be amongst the most profund verses of the quran. Well heres what that verse says:

19:19 He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.

In the context its obviously talking about none other than JESUS CHRIST. imo no one can just chuck this off as coincidence given tht he belevied in code19. Thus God in His providence used the very number 19 to lead me to come home to Christianity. Ofc there was much more involved in the rpocess of my conversion. Another astounding of what i call a ripple effect within mainstream sunni islam is the muslims in the past evhemently fighting against the mutazila who claimed allah's word the quran was created,, as opposed to the mainstream view tht it is uncreated. muslims even went through persecution to defend this doctrine. Yet this mimicks what happened AT THE COUNCIL OF NICEA CENTURIES BEFORE THAT. For me this was anothe rpowerful evidence of God even leaving muslims with a trail of evidence to come home to the Orthodox Christian Faith which includes accepting the Council of Nicea. I now have a utube channel and a discord sevrer as follows:

https://www.youtube.com/user/jonnykzj/videos

https://discord.gg/9wXKs6K

Take care everyone.
#2
Peace everyone,

In the modern world of mass production taxation doesnt make any sense. Taxes were there to cut people's spending power so that the government could pay to establish public services WIHOUT causing inflation. HOWEVER in todays world even if demand increases, supply would also increase drastically. Thus the government could be given permission to print money and in the name of the people give it to the people whod be working for the general public plus even give every single indivdual arnd Eur 1000 or so tht everyones basic needs be fulfilled and they wld work happily to gain more luxury. That wld be a much better system and their wont be any inflation. The warnings of tht this wld cause inflation is wht i see as the actual fraud. Also just cause the middle class wld have 40% more money, all public service agents receiving equall sums as before too, STILL the former wldnt start buying more vital stuff than they actually need. At best theyd buy a bigger car but as i said car companies are always happy to increase their supply should demand go uo coz of so much competition so there wont be any inflation. GOD Bless!
#3
Peace "Badr",

I will try to only ask one question at a time so as to not make it to difficult. It might evolve into a very exciting debate and maybe we'll just mvoe onto the next. SO that said my first question to you would be:

1) I've heard as a former sunni that there can be more than one prophet(nabi) at the same time BUT that there can be only one messenger(rasool) at any one particular time. Do you also share this view?

GOD Bless!
#4
Discuss Latest World News / Update on my thoughts!
November 27, 2010, 12:07:20 PM
As many of you might know, I believe in Quran Alone and code-19. Nothing has changed there. As for some updates now:

1) More than ever before I think that most atheists are closer to the Quran Alone Muslims than any other religious group.
2) I even agree with strong atheists who say that the condept of "god" is illogical and impossible SINCE most traditional religious people define God insuch a way which really makes the whole concept absurd e.g. Him supposedly being the first cause who is also personal whilst theres no substance behind him. What sense does that make? How can a still non moving substance get anything to move logically? The very same people state this cause they say that an infinite regress is what doesn't make sense since we can't have an actual infinity. What they forget is that they claim that God is an actual infinity and also the only real reality. No wonder these concepts don't make any sense.
3) I've recently bought three books namely "The Grand Design by Stephen Hawkins", "The Moral Landscape by Sam Harris" and "The Greatest Show on Earth by Richard Dawkins". I can only recommend these books to everyone. In "moral landscape" Sam, who has a Ph.d in neuroscience, discusses how science CAN actually determine what is right and what is wrong so that traditional religions no longer have a monopoly on such. This is actually something which I always beleived, even as a sunni. The claim that without religious doctrine there's nothing but moral relativism always seems absurd to say the least. The major point to get out of the "Grand Design" is that the "anthropic principle", i.e. everything is so finely tuned, does NOT automatically mean "God did it" and lastly in the "Greatest Show on Earth" for the first time Richard Dawkins, professor of biology, gives detailed expamples showing why evolution is inevitably true and exposes te misunderstandings or deliberate quote minings of creationists.
4) I noticed that the Quran does not make mention of any marriage contract to be written down. It doesn't even mention that we require witnesses to be married BUT it does state we need to witnesses at DIVORCE. Don't know what to make of it as yet. Has anyone given this thought?
5) I currently still accept THREE daily contact prayers(salat), containing at least one physical sajda and rukoo and any amount more as desirable. HOWEVER the timings I believe in are now dawn-sunrise(Fajr), DUSK-NIGHT( Isha) and part of night/night-dawn(Wusta/Middle). The "two ends of the day" i interpret now as "Fajr" and "Isha" whilst the middle prayer as being the one BETWEEN "Isha" and "Fajr" NOT the one between "Fajr" and "Isha" so no more prayers during the daytime. Tell me what you think about that.
6) For all my prayer times as well as fasting in Ramadan I now use the timings of the region which I cureently believe comes close to the region WHERE THE QURAN WAS REVEALED, i.e. Jerusalem at the moment IMO. But even if not it must be some country around the equator region. It makes no sense to understand the days, nights or any sun's positions mentioned in the Quran as those in all countries in the world because there are countries where the sun in summer never sets like the Scandinavian countries. So can we never pray there or open our fasts? How about the North Pole? Also people in a space station could create an artificial day and night and thus fast 30 times within 24 hrs by switching to one complete rotation appx every hr in ramadan so as to quickly get over it. Same could be done for prayer. Whenever it doesnt feel like praying just stop the rotation. One mon day equals appx 27 earth days so one has 27x24 hrs to say five prayers there if we go by local day and night in various regions in the universe. HENCE this doesnt make any sense. On the other hand if we take one region on earth we can always pray and fast perfectly without such problems. I even wonder why sunnis/shias, who otherwise claim tht facing the Kaaba is done for unity, have not united on the fact of moon sighting and day-night standard being there Holy City of Makkah in Saudia?
#5
...and ill try to do so under one post so you know where I now stand after a relatively long time not posting. GOD Bless!
#6
Peace,
Watch all 7 episodes of "Conspiracy theory" inclduing HAARP, 911, gobal warming, 2012 etc. NOTE i do not necessary agree with all points in all episodes BUT i do agree with 1) 911 being an inside job, 2) global warming being exaggerated, 3) the world being controlled by a PRIVATE BANKER ELITE and many other points in the documentary as well. The series is boith enjoyble as well as very alarming. People need to wake up and get the government back into their hands.
http://www.youtube.com/user/ola562000#g/u
GOD Bless!
#7
Peace all,
I know it's been long. The last few weeks however amazing things happened. First i need t tell youu I NO LONGER BELIEVE THE OFFICIAL 911 STORY. i now believe it was really planned by US gov. Now let me tell you how it happened. I listened to one of the most famous liberal guys named "Jesse Ventura". I always liked liberals but this guy was special. He seems to be the only liberal in the US whos qsing 911. NOW guess wht. I liked this guy so much i even bought his latest book "Don't start the revolution without me". THEN two days later or so there were a bunch of LADYBUGS AT MY WINDOW. They were pounding and pounding. As i opened some came in towards the light. As i counted the spots i CLDNT BELEIVE MY EYES, "19 DOTS". I STILL HAVE THE LADYBUG PRESERVED! Then i read Jesse's book and guess when he married his wife? It was in 1974 AND AT THT TIME SHE WAS 19. MOREOVER there's this guy "Alex Jones", otherwise known to be a conspiracy nut, BUT he's been interviewing Jesse especially on 911. And guess when he(Alex) was born? 1974 again! ALSO remember the whole 911 there were 19 hijackers and 9112001= 19X19X.... CAN ALL THIS BE COINCIDENCE?! GOD Bless!
#8
Peace,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smpeSAE6hxE

So now i ask myself what is the difference btw them and Hitler and his ilk? OR would you say this is the minority of Palistinians who think tht way? GOD Bless!
#9
By Saim Bakar(edited to some extent by jonny_k):

CHAPTER 1 INTRODUCTION

I hope you will all read this book with an objective and intelligent mind (which is not an easy thing to do for the Ahlul Sunnah or the Shiah) and I hope that this book will help you in your journey towards the beautiful and powerful Islam that was revealed to the Prophet of Islam.

The first inkling I got about the influence of Christianity on the Ahlus Sunnah and Shiah are the too many similarities in the beliefs between Christianity and the Ahlus Sunnah and Shiah which are taught to us since we are children. But we have been taught by the priests of Ahlus Sunnah and Shiah that its alright to have so many similarities with the Christians as well as the Jews because all the the Jewish scriptures and the Christian Bible all bore the same teachings. This is not true at all. Only the Quran carries the Truth that withstands scrutiny, criticism and investigation. The Jewish scriptures and the Bible carry too many falsehoods.

But (quite unfortunately and sadly too ) I will prove in this book that what is written in the scriptures of the Christians and Jews that is accepted by the priests of Ahlus Sunnah and Shiah is actually not part of the Prophet's teachings.


The thing that got me worried from the beginning are the following verses in the Quran.

[Surah 3.100] O you who believe! if you obey a party from among those who have been given the Book, they will turn you back as unbelievers after you have believed.
[Surah 3.101] But how can you disbelieve while it is you to whom the communications of GOD are recited, and among you is His Apostle? And whoever holds fast to GOD, he indeed is guided to the right path

In these verses the Prophet warns us in no uncertain terms that the people of the Book (the Christians and the Jews) will seek to deviate the Muslims away from Islam and back to their religion.

If that is the case how then could the Prophet teach us anything at all that is NOT FOUND in the Quran but is only found inside the Christian Bible and the Jewish scriptures ? We will come to this point again in more detail.

But before I go any further it is important that we speak a little about the Quran. No one - not the Grand Ayatollahs in Iran, not the Chief Imam of the Grand Mosque in Mecca or any other chief priest of Ahlus Sunnah or Shiah knows the contents of the Quran from cover to cover. They recite the Quran like a sing song mantra book but they have no idea about its real contents.

The Quran represents the true spoken word of the Prophet - words that were revealed to him by GOD. The Quran is very clear about this:

Surah 69:40 ?Most surely, it is the speech of an honored Apostle?.

The Arabic is unmistakable : ?Innahu la kaulu rasuulin kareem?. ?Kaulu? means speech. Indeed the Quran represents the speech of the Rasul. When we recite the Quran in the Arabic language we are actually reciting the words that were first spoken out by the Rasul.

Hence I like to paraphrase the verses of the Quran that I quote in this book with these words 'the Prophet said..' .

The Quran has been sent down to us also as a confirming scripture or criterion. The Arabic word for a Criterion scripture is 'furqan'. Here is the verse:

[Surah 25.1] ?Blessed is He Who sent down the Furqan upon His servant that he may be a warner to the nations?.

Now it is very simple logic that a confirming scripture can only confirm things that are found within its own pages. For example the Quran says that GOD created the first female Self and from her GOD created her spouse. We will discuss this in detail later.

Nowhere does the Quran say that GOD created the woman from the rib of the man which is what is written in the Christian Bible and also found in the fake hadith. So to be point blank accurate (and also to speak the truth) the Quran cannot confirm the passages in the Christian Bible which say that the woman was created from the rib of the man.

But the priests of Ahlus Sunnah and Shiah believe that indeed the woman was created from the rib of the man. They echo the following Biblical story.

Genesis 2 : 21 - 23 : ?But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD GOD caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD GOD made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. 23 The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman, for she was taken out of man."

This story cannot be found inside the Quran therefore the Quran cannot confirm this story. To overcome this deviation from the Quranic truth, the priests of Ahlul Sunnah say that although the Quran does not say so, it is found in the extra Quranic sayings of the Rasul which the Ahlus Sunnah call 'hadith' and the Shiah call 'khabar'.

I would like to pause here for a while. The reader has to stop and ponder this for a minute because it is important. The priests of Ahlul Sunnah and Shiah thereby acknowledge that these Christian beliefs are NOT found in the Quran but they are found in their extra Quranic writings of the hadith or the khabar.

To overcome this discrepancy the priests of Ahlul Sunnah and Shiah have concocted the further lie that their ridiculous and fake collections of hadith and khabar (both supposedly being recorded sayings of the Rasul) have the same stature as the revealed Quran.

I will also go into much detail about the falsehood of the hadith in the chapters ahead.

The Ahlus Sunnah have their thousands of hadith. Until today they cannot explain which one of their collections of hadith are complete and sufficient. For example if we ask the Ahlus Sunnah 'Can you lay in front of me the complete collection of all the so called hadith of the Rasul?" they will be dumbfounded. They have none.

[Surah 2.170] And when it is said to them, Follow what GOD has revealed, they say: Nay! we follow what we found our fathers upon. What! and though their fathers had no sense at all, nor did they follow the right way.

The Sunnis and Shiahs will refuse to read and understand the Quran. They will reject the clear teachings of the Quran which refute all the Sunni and Shiah beliefs that are stolen from the Christian Bible. Out of sheer force of habit and fear of leaving his comfort zone the Sunni and Shiah will choose to prolong the religion of his fathers without wanting to find out what is written in the Quran. The Sunni and Shiah will continue to uphold the Bible.

CHAPTER 2 ?AQEEDAH? IS PLAGIARISED FROM THE HEBREW BIBLE

The head covering for women (hijaab) that is practiced by the Sunnis and Shiahs is an idea that is stolen from the Christian Bible. This hijaab idea is NOT Islamic and it is definitely not from the Quran and the Prophet.
We will see proof in this book that the Shariah Laws in the Sharia system of the Sunnis is plagiarized from the Christian Bible. It is NOT from Islam or the Quran which was taught by the Prophet. The Sunni beliefs like the punishment of death for the apostates is also an evil idea stolen from the Christian Bible. For starters I would like to talk about one more Sunni idea that is actually a plagiarism from the Christian Bible. This is the Ahlul Sunnah concept of ?Aqeedah?.
As we discuss these things I would like to keep reminding the reader that the Ahlul Sunnah and the Shiah are actually practicing Christians. They are giving life to the Christian Biblical teachings which they have been fooled into believing is part of their religion of Ahlul Sunnah and Shiah.
In the Sunni religion the concept of ?aqeedah? is very important (hebrew : aqeedah, arabic : also aqeedah). The following definition of aqeedah is taken from the ISLAMIC DA`WAH NET at this location :
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/introduction/aqeedah_alqari.html
?Therefore al-aqeedah according to the scholars of Islam is : the firm creed that one's heart is fixed upon without any wavering or doubt. It excludes any supposition, doubt or suspicion.?

In fact it is a major concern for the Sunnies that their ?aqeedah? or religious creed be on the right track. They are always concerned that ?aqeedah? can be deviated or crooked, especially if it is the ?aqeedah? of their neighbours. They like to be ?holier than thou?. They always like to judge their neighbours? aqeedah.
For example in the never ending struggle between the Shiah and the Ahlul Sunnah cults, the Ahlul Sunnah say that although they may have outward similarities with the Shiahs (for example they both dress up like the Thief of Baghdad) but their aqeedah differs in that the core of their beliefs are different. This gives them an excuse to kill each other.
Other more pliant Sunnies say the exact opposite ? they say that although they may have differences between their cults, the Shias and the Sunnis actually share the same aqeedah.
The truth is that this word ?aqeedah?, which is a source of so much holier than thou persecution inside the Ahlul Sunnah cults, can never be found in the Quran to signify religious faith, religious belief, religious creed etc. In the Quran GOD and the Prophet never taught us anything about ?aqeedah? as referring to "religious faith". The Quran only refers to faith or 'iman' (arabic : eeman). The truth is this word ?aqeedah? is not even found in the Quran. There is occurrence of derivatives like ?uqdah? referring to ?the knot of marriage? (2:235) or ?aqada? referring to upholding the proper sharing of inheritances (4:33) but there is no such word as ?aqeedah? in the Quran and neither is there any reference of aqeedah as religious creed or binding faith in the Quran.

In their vain attempt to cover up their plagiarizing the concept of aqeedah as ?binding faith? from the Bible, some Sunnis try to say that ?aqeedah? is found in the Quran. They fail miserably to prove this point. Here is one argument from the Sunnis :

?Al-Aqeedah linguistically is derived from the term aqada. In Arabic, one states, "Aqada the rope" when the rope is tied firmly. And, "Aqada the sale" or "He settled the sale" when the person ratifies and contracts a sale or agreement. And GOD says in the Quran, "And as for those whom your right hands have made a covenant (Ar., aqadat)" [Al-Nisa 33]. And GOD also says, "But He will take you to task for the oaths which you swear in earnest (Ar., aqadtum) [Al-Maida, 89] which means asserted and adhered to, as proven in the verse, "And break not oaths after the assertion of them" [An-Nahl, 91].

In truth none of these verses they refer to above have anything at all to do with the concept of ?the firm creed that one's heart is fixed upon without any wavering or doubt?. Each of the verses referred to above carries its own meaning that has nothing to do with the fabricated concept of aqeedah. These are the belatedly lame explanations by the Sunni ulema that have popped up to fill in the yawning gaps in their arguments.

Where does this Sunni idea as well as the word ?aqeedah? come from ? Would anyone like to guess ? It comes from the Christian Bible, in this case the Hebrew language Bible. It is NOT found in the Quran. Aqeedah is also a Hebrew word.
The Oxford Companion to the Bible talks about 'aqeedah' on page 43.
"Aqedah: The Hebrew word for 'binding', and the common designation for Genesis 22:1 - 19 in which GOD tests Abraham by commanding that he sacrifice his son Isaac. Abraham "binds" Isaac (verse 9)."
?The New Testament refers to the aqedah not as an example of a redemptive sacrificial death but rather as an example of ?FAITH". See the following verses:
[Jas 2:21] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
[Heb 11:17] By FAITH Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was ready to offer up his only son,
[Rom 4:16] That is why it depends on FAITH, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his descendants-- not only to the adherents of the law but also to those who share the faith of Abraham, for he is the father of us all,?
The Oxford Companion to the Bible also says that "From antiquity the AQEDAH has been portrayed in the arts. For example it appears on a wall painting of the third century CE SYNAGOGUE at Dura-Europos and on a floor mosaic of the sixth century SYNAGOGUE at Beth Alpha."
Long before any Sunni thought of ?aqeedah? as ?the firm creed that one?s heart is fixed upon? the Jews and Christians had already drawn paintings and illustrations about aqeedah or ?binding faith? in the Third Century and the Sixth Century.
The Prophet is believed to have existed around the Seventh century (so they say). The cult or madhab of Ahlul Sunnah did not come into existence until about the Tenth century. The Sunni ideas about aqeedah were not written down until later. So the Christians had a seven hundred year head start talking about ?aqeedah?.
Again the Bible is the real source of the ?aqeedah? or religious creed of the Ahlul Sunnah and Shiah. They have plagiarized their religious creed from the Christian Bible. There is not one thing they do which is from the Quran. The Ahlul Sunnah and Shiah are actually good Christians.

CHAPTER 3 THE AHLUS SUNNAH?S DEATH SENTENCE FOR APOSTATES IS STOLEN FROM THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE : NOT FROM THE QURAN

The Sharia Law of the Ahlus Sunnah has codified the Hudood Offences which includes the offence of apostasy or irtidaa which according to them is punishable by death. Under the Hudood Punishments of the Shariah Laws an apostate or murtad must be killed.

There is no punishment for apostasy in the Quran. According to GOD and the Prophet in the Quran a person can jump into and out of belief. Here is the verse from the Quran that proves it :

Surah 4:137 ?Surely those who believe then disbelieve, again believe and again disbelieve, then increase in disbelief, GOD will not forgive them nor guide them in the (right) path?.

If we believe in GOD we are guided. If we do not believe in GOD, GOD will deal with us in the Hereafter. This is what the Prophet has taught us. In the Quran there is no prescribed temporal punishment for the apostate, other than his fate rests with GOD.

But where does the Ahlul Sunnah belief that the apostate must be killed come from ? It comes from the Christian Bible. This very dangerous and evil belief that the apostate must be killed has created too much bloodshed and division among the ummah over the past centuries.

?You are out of the fold therefore your blood is halal? has been the battle cry of too many lost souls which has destroyed too many nations in the past.

In many Ahlul Sunnah countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Malaysia - if you are NOT a follower of the accepted mainstream Ahlul Sunnah sect you can be jailed and fined. In Saudi Arabia the Shiahs are discriminated against. In Pakistan from time to time the Shiahs are just shot and killed by the Ahlul Sunnah. Of course the Shiahs also return the affection from time to time.

The false belief among the Ahlul Sunnah that they must punish apostates has no basis in the Quran. It is another false Ahlul Sunnah belief stolen from the Christian Bible and then passed off as the teaching of the Prophet, sunnah of the Prophet etc. Here is the source of this false teaching from the Bible :

Leviticus 24:16
'Moreover, the one who blasphemes the name of the LORD shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall certainly stone him. The alien as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.

Here according to the book of Leviticus in the Bible anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord shall be put to death. He shall be stoned to death. Here is more of this ?let?s kill the apostates? insanity from the Christian Bible :

Deuteronomy13:5

"But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has counseled rebellion against the LORD your GOD who brought you from the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, to seduce you from the way in which the LORD your GOD commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from among you.

According to the Bible anyone who thinks differently (dreamer of dreams) shall be killed. This is the real teaching of the Christian Bible. Just kill people who do not wish to believe like you anymore. Here is yet more killing from the Bible :

Deuteronomy 13:6 ? 10

"If your brother, your mother's son, or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods' you shall not yield to him or listen to him; and your eye shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him. "But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. "So you shall stone him to death because he has sought to seduce you from the LORD your GOD who brought you out from the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

So this is what the Bible says. Those who blaspheme the name of the Lord, those who are ?dreamers of dreams?, those who tell you to serve other gods must all be put to death. And the ulema or the priests shall have the final say in deciding what exactly is blasphemy, who exactly is a dreamer of dreams, what exactly is ?enticing you? etc. If the ulema say you are outside their ?aqeedah? then you can be killed.

Anyway this is NOT the teaching of Islam, GOD or the Prophet. GOD never revealed anything like this to the Prophet. Instead GOD and the Prophet are very clear about what to do with those who switch from belief to unbelief then back to belief and then to unbelief again.

[Surah 4.137] Surely those who believe then disbelieve, again believe and again disbelieve, then increase in disbelief, GOD will not forgive them nor guide them in the (right) path.

One needs to be constantly alive to jump in and out of belief like this. The Quran allows this freedom of belief and disbelief but such a person who persists in disbelief will of course never be forgiven by GOD. There is no temporal punishment prescribed anywhere in the Quran for rejecting belief. This evil and barbaric punishment of death for apostates is stolen from the Christian Bible.

The Bible and the Shariah Laws of the Ahlul Sunnah do not allow any freedom of belief. According to the Bible and the Sharia Law of the Ahlul Sunnah a person should be put to death when he jumps from belief to disbelief. It is clear again that the ulema of Ahlul Sunnah reject the teachings of GOD and the Prophet in the Quran. Instead they prefer to plagiarise Biblical teachings and pass it off as the teachings of the Prophet.

CHAPTER 4 PAGAN PUNISHMENT FOR ADULTERY ALSO STOLEN FROM THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE.

In this chapter I wish to show more evidence of the so called Hudood Laws (part of the Sharia Laws of the religion of Ahlus Sunnah) that are plagiarized from the Christian Bible. In this case we shall look at the laws relating to the punishment for adultery.

The Sharia Laws state that the adulteress and the adulterer shall be stoned to death. If they are not married the punishment is 100 lashes. This is a great blasphemy against the Prophet and is an attempt to smear the good name of Islam. Stoning to death is NOT part of Islam.

This is another false law the ulema of Ahlul Sunnah have stolen from the Christian Bible. Here is the evidence :

Deuteronomy 22: 23 - 24

22 If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.
23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death-the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

This is the source of the evil Sharia Law where the Ahlul Sunnah say that the adulterer and the adulteress must be stoned to death.

The Bible repeats this death penalty again :

Leviticus 20:10

10 " 'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife-with the wife of his neighbor-both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

Coming now to the Ahlul Sunnah, in the collection of fake hadith known as the Sahih al Bukhari (Volume 8, pages 209-210, translation by Dr Muhammad Muhsin Khan) we read this alleged sermon delivered by someone by the name of Hadhrath Umar during his last Hajj as Khalifa:

"Certainly GOD sent Muhammad with the truth, and revealed to him
the Book. One of the revelations which came to him was the verse of
stoning. We read it and understood it. The Messenger of GOD stoned and we stoned after him. I am concerned that if time goes on, someone may say, 'By GOD, we do not find the verse of stoning in the Book of GOD;' thus, the Muslims will deviate by neglecting a commandment the Almighty revealed."

"Stoning is in the Book of GOD. It is the right punishment for a
person who commits adultery if the required witnesses are available,
or there was pregnancy without marriage or adultery is admitted."

"When the verses "Rajm" [Stoning] and ayah "Rezah Kabir" descended,
they were written on a piece of paper and kept under my pillow. Following the demise of Prophet Muhammad (S) a goat ate the piece of paper while we were mourning.

Refer also 1. Sunan Ibne Majah, Volume 2, Page 39, Published Karachi, 2. Musnad Imam Ahmad, Volume 6, Page 269, Published Beirut and 3. Taweel Mukhtalif Al Hadees, Page 310, Published Beirut.

This is the famous false hadith where the ulema say that the verse of stoning people to death was revealed by GOD and then became abrogated after a GOAT ate the piece of paper or parchment on which this verse was written. This story is too ridiculous even to justify any comment. If indeed the GOAT ate the verse and caused it to be abrogated, then why still keep in practice a verse that has been abrogated by a hungry GOAT ?

This killing the adulteress / adulterer or stoning them to death is NOT found anywhere in the Quran at all. About those who commit zina (adultery) the Quran says the following :

[24.2] (As for) the fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them, (giving) a hundred stripes, and let not pity for them detain you in the matter of obedience to GOD, if you believe in GOD and the last day, and let a party of believers witness their chastisement.

This is the Quranic law. But according to the Christian Bible and the false hadeeth created by the ulema, the adulterer and the adulteress must both be stoned to death or killed. Since the Bible came before the hadeeth, we now know that the false hadeeth about stoning people to death is stolen from the Christian Bible.

Just like the head covering for women, the law of stoning the adulterer/ adulteress to death is also plagiarized from the Bible. Indeed the Ahlus Sunnah are actually Christians. They are not Muslims.

They have created a great fitnah against the Prophet by saying that the Prophet prescribed the stoning of people to death for adultery.

The act of people stoning other people is indeed recorded five times in the Quran. In all these occurrences the people who performed the act of stoning were pagan disbelievers. Nowhere in the Quran does it mention that any believer or Muslim shall stone another human being.

Of course the exception to this is GOD Himself who says that He has rained stones upon evil communities of the past. But GOD also says that He can burn the wrongdoers in the hellfire, wipe out the wrongdoers by earthquakes, send diseases against them and so on. That is all within GOD?s power but nowhere in the Quran does GOD ask any human to stone another human for anything. In the Quran, the act of stoning other people is always the practice of the pagans. Here are all the five occurrences of pagans stoning people in the Quran :


In Surah 26:116 Noah was threatened with stoning by the pagan disbelievers.

In Surah 19:46 Abraham's father who was a pagan disbeliever threatens to stone Abraham.

In Surah 18:20 the Companions of the Cave (Ashaabul Kahfi) are in fear of being stoned by the pagan disbelievers.

In Surah 36:18 three messengers are threatened with stoning by the pagan disbelievers.

In Surah 11:91 the Prophet Shuaib is threatened with stoning by the pagan disbelievers.

Throughout the Quran the only people who resort to stoning are the pagan disbelievers. Stoning people is not a punishment sanctioned by Islam.


We have already quoted the verse above (Surah 24:2) which prescribes the punishment of 100 lashes for the adulteress and the adulterer. Here are some other verses that talk about punishing adulterous behaviour.


[4.22] And marry not woman whom your fathers married, except what has already passed; this surely is indecent and hateful, and it is an evil way.

[4.23] Forbidden to you are your mothers and your daughters and your sisters and your paternal aunts and your maternal aunts and brothers' daughters and sisters' daughters and your mothers that have suckled you and your foster-sisters and mothers of your wives and your step-daughters who are in your guardianship, (born) of your wives to whom you have gone in, but if you have not gone in to them, there is no blame on you (in marrying them), and the wives of your sons who are of your own loins and that you should have two sisters together, except what has already passed; surely GOD is Forgiving, Merciful.

[4.24] And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) GOD?s ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely GOD is Knowing, Wise.

[4.25] And whoever among you has not within his power ampleness of means to marry free believing women, then (he may marry) of those whom your right hands possess from among your believing maidens; and GOD knows best your faith: you are (sprung) the one from the other; so marry them with the permission of their masters, and give them their dowries justly, they being chaste, not fornicating, nor receiving paramours; and when they are taken in marriage, then if they are guilty of indecency, they shall suffer half the punishment which is (inflicted) upon free women. This is for him among you who fears falling into evil; and that you abstain is better for you, and GOD is Forgiving, Merciful.


[4.26] GOD desires to explain to you, and to guide you into the ways of those before you, and to turn to you (mercifully), and GOD is Knowing, Wise.

In 4:25 above we are advised to marry believing women or even bondwomen. If the bondwomen who are married later commit sexual indecency then their punishment shall be half the punishment meted out to the free believing women.

This can only be possible if the punishment for adultery for example is 100 lashes as per Surah 24:2. The punishment for the bondwomen who commit adultery would then be 50 lashes or half the punishment for free women. If the punishment for adultery was stoning to death, then how do the ulema stone someone ?half to death? ?

It is clear that the ulema stand on stupid ground when they try to uphold false teachings from the Christian Bible against the true teachings of the Prophet in the Quran. The ulema have caused a lot of chaos, confusion and hardship for the ummah because they insist on upholding falsehoods from the Christian Bible.

CHAPTER 5 WHY THE PROPHET COULD NEVER HAVE FOLLOWED THE BIBLE

So far we have seen in detail the various practices of the Ahlul Sunnah and Shiah which are not found anywhere in the Quran. Instead I have shown the actual references in the Christian Bible from where these Sunni and Shiah beliefs are plagiarized.

Their false belief that the woman must cover the head, the evil Shariah Laws (stoning to death for adultery, death for apostates), the circumcision of males, their long list of permissible halal and forbidden haram foods and other beliefs CANNOT be found in the Quran AT ALL. They are just not part of GOD?s teachings. They are found in the Christian Bible. From the Bible many of these falsehoods were plagiarized and then passed off as ?prophet?s hadith?, ?prophet?s sunnah?, teachings of the sahaba etc. Essentially this is what has become the religion of Ahlul Sunnah and Shiah. They are Christians. They are NOT part of Islam.

Some ulema say that these Biblical teachings were indeed known to the Prophet and he had then repeated these Biblical beliefs as part of his hadith and sunnah. The ulema call these the ?israiliyah? teachings. That is why there is much similarity between the Bible and the hadeeth ? so they say !! What a fantastic confession ! This is another lie by the ulema which is also patently false and is a terrible slander against the Prophet and Islam.

Firstly GOD told the prophet:

[Surah 3 : 3 - 4 ] He has revealed to you the Book with truth, verifying that which is before it, and He revealed the Taurat and the Injeel aforetime, a guidance for the people, and He sent the Furqan. Surely they who disbelieve in the revelations of GOD they shall have a severe chastisement; and GOD is Mighty, the Lord of retribution.

The Quran has been revealed to the Rasul as a Criterion or Furqan to verify what was before it, including the Taurat and Injeel. So the Quran can be used to verify things. Now the Quran can only verify things that are found inside the Quran. If the Quran has A, B, C and D whereas the Bible has E, F and G then the Quran cannot verify E,F and G. Its as simple as that.

And true enough the Quran says:

[Surah 2.78] And there are among them illiterates who know not the Book but only lies, and they do but conjecture.
[Surah 2.79] Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from GOD, so that they may take for it a small price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.

Indeed the Christians have written today?s Bible with their own hands and then they say ?This is from GOD?. The Christian Bible of today is actually a compilation of various works by various writers. For example the Gospel of Imam Mark, the Gospel of Imam Mathew, the Gospel of Imam Luke and so on. This is exactly like the Gospel of Imam Bukhari, the Gospel of Imam Muslim and the Gospel of Imam Tirmizi, the Gospel of Imam Jaafar Al Tusi, the Gospel of Imam Al Radi etc among the Sunnis and Shiahs. They all write their books with their own hands and then say ?This is from GOD?. But again as a Criterion or Furqan the Quran cannot confirm what they have written. Too bad for them.

And still, because they have no proof or logical arguments the Sunnis and Shiahs will say ?The Prophet repeated to us some of the Biblical teachings because it is part of the earlier revelation given to Moses and Jesus?.

Firstly could the Prophet have known what was in the Christian Bible ? Or even in the Injeel ? What does the Quran say ?

[Surah 42.52] And thus did We reveal to you an inspired book by Our command. You did not know what the Book was, nor faith but We made it a light, guiding thereby whom We please of Our servants; and most surely you show the way to the right path.

The Prophet definitely did not know what was the Book. He definitely did not know the Christian Bible or the Injeel or Taurat. He did not even know what was faith - ?You did not know what the Book was, nor faith..?

Now for argument?s sake only, assuming that the Prophet did know about the Christian Bible, especially those parts that are NOT found in the Quran (for example circumcision, stoning people to death, death for apostates, head cover for women etc) could he have taken these teachings from the Christian Bible and put it into ?his hadith? and then say ?This is also from GOD? ? The answer is again a straight NO because GOD had already warned the Prophet :


[Surah 3:69] A party of the followers of the Book desire that they should lead you astray, and they lead not astray but themselves, and they do not perceive.
[Surah 3:70] O followers of the Book! Why do you disbelieve in the revelations of GOD while you witness ?
[Surah 3:71] O followers of the Book! Why do you confound the truth with the falsehood and hide the truth while you know?

This is what the people of the Book were trying to do. They were confounding truth with falsehood. They were writing the book with their own hands and then said ?This is from GOD?. GOD is warning the Prophet that a party of the people of the Book were trying to lead him astray.

Throughout the Quran GOD warns the Prophet to be on the lookout for the people of the Book. They will constantly try to divert the Muslims from the Truth.

[Surah 3:186] You shall certainly be tried respecting your wealth and your souls, and you shall certainly hear from those who have been given the Book before you and from those who are polytheists much annoying talk; and if you are patient and guard (against evil), surely this is one of the affairs (which should be) determined upon.

The Prophet and the believers must be constantly on guard against the polytheists and the people of the Book. They will constantly bombard the believers with all kinds of talk. The people of the Book also sold the Truth away for a cheap price. What they were given before from GOD was discarded behind their backs. Here is what GOD says:

[Surah 3:187] And when GOD made a covenant with those who were given the Book: You shall certainly make it known to men and you shall not hide it; but they cast it behind their backs and took a small price for it; so evil is that which they buy.

After throwing away GOD?s teachings they wrote their own books like the Christian Bible and the Jewish scriptures. GOD again and again warns the Prophet to be careful about the Christians and the Jews. GOD tells the Prophet:

[2.120] And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely GOD?s guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from GOD, nor any helper.

Again GOD warns the Prophet ? the Jews and the Christians will not be pleased until you follow their religion. GOD warns the Prophet ?do not follow the Christians and the Jews?. Only the Quran is the true guidance. The Christians and Jews were not able to penetrate the Prophet but they have certainly misled the millions of ulema who came after the Prophet.

But let us stop and think for a minute. After all this warning by GOD not to follow the Christians and Jews, that the Christians have written things with their own hands, that the Christians will not stop until they corrupt you etc, will the Prophet still go out and collect ?sayings? from the Christian Bible THAT ARE NOT IN THE QURAN and then pass it off to the ummah as his own ?hadith? or ?sunnah? or whatever ? Please think carefully. This is not possible.

The Prophet cannot say, ?I know the head cover for women is NOT in the Quran but it is in the Christian Bible and it is alright for you to follow it?.

The Prophet cannot say, ?I know the Quran only talks about 100 lashes punishment for the adulterer and adulteress and I know that there is NO death penalty for adultery in the Quran but the Christian Bible prescribes stoning to death for the adulterer and I think we should follow the stoning to death also?. The Prophet simply cannot do something like this.

Instead the Prophet told us all to be careful of the People of the Book. The Prophet told us :

[3.100] O you who believe! if you obey a party from among those who have been given the Book, they will turn you back as unbelievers after you have believed.

So if we believe a party from among the Christians and Jews, then we will become kuffar or disbelievers. This is what has happened to the ulema of Ahlul Sunnah and Shiah. They have become kuffar or disbelievers because they have chosen to obey the Christian Bible and the Jewish scriptures.

The Quran does NOT teach us stoning to death for adulterers, killing apostates, circumcision of males etc. But the Christian Bible teaches us such things. So if you believe these teachings from the Christian Bible then you become a disbeliever ? a kuffar.
[2.120] And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely GOD?s guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from GOD, nor any helper.
The Jews and the Christians were not be pleased. They wanted the Prophet to follow their Bible. But the Prophet never followed their Bible. He was commanded to say :

[3.98] Say: O followers of the Book! why do you disbelieve in the ayaah of GOD? And GOD is a witness of what you do.

The Prophet is telling the Jews and Christians, why do you reject the Quran ? Why do you still follow your Bible ? the Prophet asks them some more:

[3.99] Say: O followers of the Book! why do you hinder him who believes from the way of GOD? You seek (to make) it crooked, while you are witness, and GOD is not heedless of what you do.

The Prophet told the Jews and Christians: Why are you trying so hard to change the Muslims into Christians and Jews ? Why do you want to deviate those who believe in GOD and the Quran ?

THEN THE PROPHET TURNS TO THE BELIEVERS, THAT IS THE MUSLIMS AND WARNS THEM :

[3.100] O you who believe! if you obey a party from among those who have been given the Book, they will turn you back as unbelievers after you have believed.

But unfortunately this is what the so called ulema have done. After the Prophet died, they created all sorts of fake stories and started following the Bible. Many of the things they teach us today are actually Bible teachings stolen from the Christian Bible. Anyway the Prophet continues:

[3.101] But how can you disbelieve while it is you to whom the communications of GOD are recited, and among you is His Apostle? And whoever holds fast to GOD, he indeed is guided to the right path.

So dear readers how can you believe in all these Bible teachings when you have GOD?s Quran with you ? Why dont you read and obey the Quran instead of obeying and following the Bible. Please be careful of your duty to GOD.


[3.102] O you who believe! be careful of (your duty to) GOD with the care which is due to Him, and do not die unless you are Muslims.

So dear brothers and sisters. Do Not die as Ahlul Sunnah Christians. Live and die as Muslims.

CHAPTER 6 The Ulema Teach Prostitution, Paedophilia, Fornication and Sexual Depravity.


In this chapter I would like to list some really sick teachings of the ulema which again promote evil and promiscuity. It is a false delusion that the Ahlul Sunnah and Shiah are promoting high moral values and chaste behaviour. They actually glorify illicit sexual behaviour.

Dallying with prostitutes

The Shiah Ayatollahs say that men can even marry women temporarily for an agreed period of time like one day or for a few hours at a time. They call this mutaa. In truth this is nothing more than prostitution.

This is not surprising at all because according to the hadith writers the Prophet even allowed mingling with prostitutes. Here is the false hadith:

Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 139:
Narrated Abdullah:
We used to participate in the holy wars carried on by the Prophet and we had no women (wives) with us. So we said (to the Prophet ). "Shall we castrate ourselves?" But the Prophet forbade us to do that and thenceforth he allowed us to marry a woman (temporarily) by giving her even a garment, and then he recited: "O you who believe! Do not make unlawful the good things which GOD has made lawful for you."
This false hadith says that during ?holy wars? the Prophet allowed his men to ?marry a woman temporarily by giving her even a garment? ! This is a terrible slander and lie against the Prophet and his men. This false hadith attempts to portray them as having other things on their mind other than the struggle alongside the Prophet. This evil hadith accuses the Prophet of setting the price of dallying with a woman at just one piece of garment.
The Prophet?s true teachings in the Quran tells the men to control their lusts and keep chaste. Here is the verse:
[Surah 24:33] And let those who do not find the means to marry keep chaste until GOD makes them free from want out of His grace. And (as for) those who ask for a writing from among those whom your right hands possess, give them the writing if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of GOD which He has given you; and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion GOD is Forgiving, Merciful.
The Prophet taught us from GOD that we should keep chaste until we get married. We also cannot compel the slave girls into prostitution. How then could the Prophet allow his men to seek the company of prostitutes ?even for the price of a garment? ?. This is an obvious slander and evil lie against the Prophet by the ulema like Bukhari. If the ulema refuse to acknowledge this verse from the Quran, here is another verse from the Quran which says the same thing:
Surah 24:30 ?Say to the believing men that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts; that is purer for them; surely GOD is Aware of what they do.?
This is what the Prophet taught us in the Quran. Muslims are to lower their gaze and control their lusts. But as usual the ulema of Ahlul Sunnah and Shiah will reject this Quranic teaching. They like to preach that the Prophet told his men to go after prostitutes for the price of a piece of garment. They prefer to follow their own books of false hadith which they have written with their own hands.
In his famous biography of the Prophet the Ahlul Sunnah writer Martin Lings quotes evil and false hadith which say that on his wedding day the Prophet?s father was almost enticed by a Christian woman because she could see a certain light that he had in him. The Christian woman by the name of Qutaylah tried to seduce the Prophet?s father as he was on his way to be married. Then according to the evil hadith writers, after the Prophet was conceived his father did meet the woman again but he noticed that Qutaylah was not interested in him anymore. She told him that the light that he carried in him was gone. (See Muhammad: His Life Based On The Earliest Sources by Martin Lings (Abu Bakar Siraj al-Din), page 17 - 1Cool
This is the evil falsehood they write in the so called sahih hadith or authentic hadith. The Prophet has taught us from GOD that no one except GOD has knowledge of the unseen yet the ulema would have us believe their fake hadith that a Christian woman could see the ?light? that was being carried by the Prophet?s father.
The Arabs have never stopped their association with prostitutes to glorify their leaders. The founder of Saudi Arabia King Abdul Aziz ibn Saud is revered by his numerous sons and daughters. They tell stories about how before his campaign to capture Riyadh, the future capital of Saudi Arabia, Abdul Aziz was in the company of a prostitute one night. However the prostitute asked him, ?Who are you?? for all to hear. ?Abdul Aziz ibn Saud ? You should be ashamed of yourself. Stop hanging around here wasting your strength and spirit. Come back when you?ve achieved something you can truly boast about. We?ll know what measure of man you are when you have conquered Riyadh!? (From the book ?Kingdom? by Robert Lacey)

So the founder and ruler of the Ahlul Sunnah kingdom of Saudi Arabia was saved by a prostitute. She refused to entertain him on account of him being their great leader. Nevertheless she did ask him to come back after he had captured Riyadh !

Evil Pornography about the Prophet Solomon.

Here is some pornography about the Prophet Solomon from the evil Bukhari.

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 55, Number 635:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "Solomon (the son of) David said, 'Tonight I will sleep with seventy ladies each of whom will conceive a child who will be a knight fighting for "GOD?s Cause.' His companion said, 'If GOD will.' But Solomon did not say so; therefore none of those women got pregnant except one who gave birth to a half child." The Prophet further said, "If the Prophet Solomon had said it (i.e. 'If GOD will') he would have begotten children who would have fought in GOD?s Cause." Shuaib and Ibn Abi Az-Zinad said, "Ninety (women) is more correct (than seventy)."
This false hadith is nothing more than a stag show off. Here the Prophet Solomon is alleged to have slept with seventy women in one night (other satanic ulema say 90 women). Assuming a night was about twelve hours long this meant that Solomon copulated non stop with slightly more than seven women every hour or with one woman about every eight minutes. Why would the Prophet Solomon want to do that ? Is that the job of a Prophet ? And what lessons does this type of copulation hold for mankind ?

What the ulema have done is make lawful prostitution and promiscuity. They have writen the fake hadeeth and the sick theology which they like to call ?jurisprudence? or Fiqh (pronounced fake). In this fake fiqh they promote totally depraved licentious behaviour. Here is some more of their ?evidence?.

More Ulema Sexual Depravity ? This Time From Imam Malik

The infamous book ?Al Muwatta? by Imam Malik is considered by the ulema of Ahlul Sunnah as the ?First Formulation of Law? (may GOD forbid). Imam Malik is considered one of the great fuqaha or doctors of jurisprudence among the Sunnis. The following false hadith is taken from the Al Muwatta of Imam Malik.


Translation of Malik's Muwatta
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muwatta/
Translators: `A'isha `Abdarahman at-Tarjumana and Ya`qub Johnson


Section: Suckling of Older People

Book 30, Number 30.2.12:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab that he was asked about the suckling of an older person. He said, ''Urwa ibn az-Zubayr informed me that Abu Hudhayfa ibn Utba ibn Rabia, one of the companions of the Messenger of GOD, may GOD bless him and grant him peace, who was present at Badr, adopted Salim (who is called Salim, the mawla of Abu Hudhayfa) as the Messenger of GOD, may GOD bless him and grant him peace, adopted Zayd ibn Haritha. He thought of him as his son, and Abu Hudhayfa married him to his brother's sister, Fatima bint al-Walid ibn Utba ibn Rabia, who was at that time among the first emigrants. She was one of the best unmarried women of the Quraysh. When GOD the Exalted sent down in His Book what He sent down about Zayd ibn Haritha, 'Call them after their true fathers. That is more equitable in the sight of GOD. If you do not know who their fathers were then they are your brothers in the deen and your mawali,' (Sura 33 ayat 5) people in this position were traced back to their fathers. When the father was not known, they were traced to their mawla.

"Sahla bint Suhayl who was the wife of Abu Hudhayfa, and one of the tribe of Amr ibn Luayy, came to the Messenger of GOD, may GOD bless him and grant him peace, and said, 'Messenger of GOD! We think of Salim as a son and he comes in to see me while I am uncovered. We only have one room, so what do you think about the situation?' The Messenger of GOD, may GOD bless him and grant him peace, said, 'Give him five drinks of your milk and he will be mahram by it.' She then saw him as a foster son. A'isha umm al-muminin took that as a precedent for whatever men she wanted to be able to come to see her. She ordered her sister, Umm Kulthum bint Abi Bakr as-Siddiq and the daughters of her brother to give milk to whichever men she wanted to be able to come in to see her. The rest of the wives of the Prophet, may GOD bless him and grant him peace, refused to let anyone come in to them by such nursing. They said, 'No! By GOD! We think that what the Messenger of GOD, may GOD bless him and grant him peace, ordered Sahla bint Suhayl to do was only an indulgence concerning the nursing of Salim alone. No! By GOD! No one will come in upon us by such nursing!'

"This is what the wives of the Prophet, may GOD bless him and grant him peace, thought about the suckling of an older person."

According to Imam Malik, the Prophet told Sahla to allow a grown man called Salim to suckle from her breasts. And we are required to believe that as a grown man Salim did suckle from Sahla.

Then we are required to believe that Aisha (the prophet's alleged wife) told her sister Umm Kalthum and the daughters of her brother to give milk to any grown man who wanted to come and see her.

My question to the Ahlul Sunnah is this ?How do you implement this most satanic teaching? This is what the ulema of Ahlul Sunnah teach us to believe.

The ulema like this satanic Imam Malik actually promote licentiousness and sexual depravity. A very sick hadith like this does not need any explanation at all.


?THEY SHALL BECOME MONKEYS..?

The Quran says the following about some people who have really earned GOD?s anger. I believe this verse refers to the people of Ahlul Sunnah and Shiah. The Quran says :

[Surah 5.60] Say: Shall I inform you of (him who is) worse than this in retribution from GOD? (Worse is he) whom GOD has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made monkeys and pigs, and he who served the Shaitan; these are worse in place and more erring from the straight path.

GOD threatened to make the people who serve the Shaitan into monkeys and pigs. Was this an illogical threat ? I don?t think so. Moreover pig monkey and pigs have many similarities to humans unlike other animals: for similarities between pigs and humans see:
http://www.do.asg.wur.nl/research/researchpublication.asp?publnr=201
http://www.gsreport.com/articles/art000193.html
When GOD promises to do something we can rest assured that He will do it.
The above can also e taken in the allegorical sense and could mean that by their behaviour the people who serve the Shaitaan will become monkeys and pigs. They may force themselves to appear like monkeys. They may be greedy gluttons like pigs.

We cannot deny that there are people in the world today who are followers of the Shaitan and I believe GOD has indeed made them into monkeys and pigs.
I believe part of these people are the Arab ulema and also the followers of Ahlul Sunnah and the Shiah.

By their appearance the Arab ulema and also the Ahlul Sunnah and Shiah prefer to be unshaven and grow their beards long. It does give them the appearance of the hairy apes or monkeys.

But it does not stop there. By their own admission the Ahlul Sunnah also claim to follow the monkeys. The Ahlul Sunnah ulema believe that the punishment for adultery is stoning people to death. This false teaching is not found in the Quran. It is stolen from the Christian Bible. (Please see the chapter on Punishment for Adultery). But the Ahlul Sunnah will not admit that they have stolen these ideas from the Christian Bible. Instead they say they got the idea to stone people from the monkeys. By their own confession the Ahlul Sunnah fall into the punishment GOD has promised them ? they confess that they are indeed followers of monkeys. Here is the evidence from their own Bukhari hadith.

Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 188:

Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:

During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal
sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them.

This is the basis of the Ahlul Sunnah?s false belief of stoning people to death for adultery. They learnt it from the monkeys. Hence the words of my GOD are proven true :

(Surah 5.60] Say: Shall I inform you of (him who is) worse than this in retribution from GOD? (Worse is he) whom GOD has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made monkeys and pigs, and he who served the Shaitan; these are worse in place and more erring from the straight path.

GOD has indeed made the Ahlul Sunnah into monkeys. Their Sharia Law of stoning adulterers to death is copied from the monkeys.


Polygamy : The Arabs Learned It From The Monkeys Too !

Then the ulema make lawful polygamy ie they say that men can marry four wives. This is actually making lawful the old pagan Arab culture of maintaining harems full of slave women for their pleasure. By falsely saying that Islam allows polygamy, they are legalizing the prostitution of the harems.

Here too the Ahlul Sunnah particularly the Arabs may have learnt this polygamous harem behaviour from the monkeys. The Arabian Peninsula, Yemen, Ethiopia and Somalia are home to the Hamadryas Baboon. These baboons have lived in arid sub-desert and savannah woodlands of these countries for a long time. Just like the Arabs the Hamadryas baboons live in a very harsh environment with extreme temperatures, both hot and cold. What is interesting is that Hamadryas baboons are very social and have a four-level social structure. The male baboons maintain harems where a group of up to 10 females can be dominated by an adult male. These baboons that live in and around Arabia are the only known baboons that maintain harems.

Two or more such harems of Hamadryas baboons make up a clan, with single male followers. A band of Hamadryas Baboons is made up of several such clans.
And when several clans of Baboons band together it is called a troupe.

This is not unlike the polygamous harems maintained by the Arabs. There is no basis in the Quran for polygamy. It is most likely that the Arabs who claim to learn from monkeys how to stone adulterers to death have also learned polygamy from the Hamadryas Baboons. Indeed GOD has made them into monkeys.

The ulema?s confusion about polygamyu starts with the following verse in the Quran which they interpret as follows :

Surah 4:3] And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course.

Based on this verse they feel they can marry two, three or four wives.

This verse is actually a continuation of the previous verse ie Surah 4:2. Just like 4:2, this verse 4:3 is clearly talking about taking care of the interests of the orphans. And the verse tells us to ultimately marry off those orphans who seem good in our judgement in twos, three or fours. In other words just marry them off. The Arabic is clear :

fankihuu : thus marry them off

maathaaba : those who seem good

lakum : to you

minannisaa : from the women

matsnaa, wathulaatha warubaa : twos, threes and fours.

The other point to note here are the words twos, threes and fours. The Arabic is ?matsnaa, wathulaatha warubaa? . Elsewhere in the Quran these exact words are used to describe the ?wings? of the malaikah (or what is commonly understood to be angels). Here is the verse:


[Surah 35.1] All praise is due to GOD, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, the Maker of the malaikah messengers flying on wings, two, and three, and four; He increases in creation what He pleases; surely GOD has power over all things.

The malaikah messengers seem to have wings ?matsnaa, wathulaatha warubaa? or twos, threes and fours.

It signifies a plurality and not exactly two wings, exactly three wings or exactly four wings. Although we have no way of imagining a malaikah flying on three wings but the realms of human knowledge (the parameters in which GOD communicates with us human beings) makes it for an unbalanced flight with three wings.

But the Quran tells us that we can never be equally fair among the women :

[Surah 4: 129] And you have it not in your power to be fair between wives, even though you may wish (it), but be not disinclined with total disinclination, so that you leave her as it were in suspense; and if you effect a reconciliation and guard (against evil), then surely GOD is Forgiving, Merciful.

GOD Who created us is telling us that we cannot be fair among the women.
It is therefore better to have just one wife. Having spoken so much that we cannot be fair among women it would not be possible for the same GOD to tell us to marry two, three or four wives. It is also the natural inclination of all women that they detest polygamy when their husbands marry other women. This has been the case in all cultures and in all corners of the world. That is why to sustain their polygamous tendencies and harem behaviour the Arabs have developed a culture that totally puts the women down and treats women like chattels. This is the only way the Arabs can force their women to live in harems. And the Arab ulema have played along and legitimized this harem behaviour of the Arabs.


Ulema Make The Prophet A Paedophile

Then the ulema have also written false hadith which makes the prophet a paedophile. They say that the Prophet married a girl by the name of Aishah at the age of six years. Here is the slanderous and evil false hadith by Bukhari :

Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:

Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

Ashamed of this false hadith but not having the guts to admit their false beliefs, some of the Ahlul Sunnah have classified this embarrassing subject ?one of the most controversial issues confronting Muslims today?.

Indeed the forces of kuffar who have created these false stories and slander against the good name of the Prophet by saying that the Prophet married a six year old child and then consummated the marriage when she was nine years old are squirming in their pants to avoid explaining this falsehood.

Firstly these forces of kuffar cannot pinpoint exactly the age of the alleged Aisha when she is alleged to have married the Prophet. Other false versions of the same hadith say Aisha was 9 when she married the Prophet and the marriage was consummated when she was 14 or 16. They themselves do not know which version is the ?most authentic? ?

Also the satanic ulema are too embarrassed to admit that despite their lie that the Prophet married a 6 year old girl they temselves will not give away their daughters in marriage at 6 years of age.

This is the hypocrisy of these satans. They will argue that it was alright for the Prophet to marry 6 year old children but it does NOT apply to their daughters or sisters. This is the greatest and the absolute proof against these falsehoods.


The Age of Marriage in Islam

It is really very simple to find out what Islam says about the age of marriage. We just check verses from the Quran that talk about nikah (marriage) as well as verses that talk about young women. Here are some of these verses. All of them specifically mention marrying women who have reached puberty:

[Surah 4.25] And whoever among you has not within his power ampleness of means to marry free believing women, then (he may marry) of those whom your right hands possess from among your believing maidens; and GOD knows best your faith: you are (sprung) the one from the other; so marry them with the permission of their masters, and give them their dowries justly, they being chaste, not fornicating, nor receiving paramours; and when they are taken in marriage, then if they are guilty of indecency, they shall suffer half the punishment which is (inflicted) upon free women. This is for him among you who fears falling into evil; and that you abstain is better for you, and GOD is Forgiving, Merciful.

Please pay attention to the words ?of those whom your right hands possess from among your believing maidens?. ?Believeing maidens?. The word for maiden is ?fatayaati?. Fatayaati is not a six year old child. Fatayaati means a ?young woman?. Fatayaati is female. The male youth or young man is ?fataah?. A good example is the story of Nabi Yusuf when he was seduced (as a young man) by the ruler?s wife. Here is the verse:

[Surah 12.30] And women in the city said: The ruler?s wife seeks her young man (fataaha) to yield himself (to her), surely he has affected her deeply with love; most surely we see her in manifest error.

Fataah is a young man ? (capable of loving a woman as in the story of Yusuf in 12:30). Likewise 'fataayati? is a young woman (suitable for marriage as recommended in 4:25 above). Nowhere in the Quran does it say that you can marry a 5 year old toddler or 6 year old toddler.

That is just another satanic false hadith invented by the enemies of Islam to make the Prophet a paedophile.

Here is another verse about marrying young girls who are orphans.

[Surah 4.127] And they ask you a decision about women. Say: GOD makes known to you His decision concerning them, and that which is recited to you in the Book concerning female orphans whom you do not give what is appointed for them while you desire to marry them, and concerning the weak among children, and that you should deal towards orphans with equity; and whatever good you do, GOD surely knows it.


And what is recited in the Book concerning marrying female orphans ? Here is the answer :

[Surah 4.6] And test the orphans until they attain the age of marriage (puberty); then if you find in them maturity of intellect, make over to them their property, and do not consume it extravagantly and hastily, lest they attain to full age; and whoever is rich, let him abstain altogether, and whoever is poor, let him eat reasonably; then when you make over to them their property, call witnesses in their presence; and GOD is enough as a Reckoner.

To be continued...
#10
...post a message on the forum that i want my account deleted. it cld be someone using my ID.

Peace all moderators,
Ive read somewhere that a moderator, whom i wont name, has once deleted an account asa he/she put up the request as a post on the forum. NEVER do that in my case. The only way my account shld be deleted is if 1) i send you an email from my address idmkhizar@hotmail.com 2) i PM you AFTER that to delete it AND FINALLY 3) i personally call up that moderator via tel n ask her/him to delete my account . GOD Bless!
#11
Peace,
As you may know Im skeptical that the US gov was involved in the 911 attacks HOWEVER i made a very interesting observation as following. The Quran is CONVENTIONALLY divided into 30 Parts. Verse 93 to the end of chapter/sura 9 BELONG TO PART 11 and it is in those verses that it states:
9:109 Is one who establishes his BUILDING on the basis of reverencing Allah and to gain His approval better, or one who esatblishes his BUILDING on the BRINK OF A CRUMBLING cliff, THAT FALLS DOWN WITH HIM INTO THE FIRE OF HELL?...
9:110 Such a BUILDING that they have established remains a source of doubt in their hearts, until their hearts are stilled...
NOW obviously in the context of the Quran if you read verses prior to this it has nothing to do with these events but it seems that some intelligence is DELIBERATELY planning to twist these verses out of context and PLANNED 911 ACCORDINGLY. My thinking is still that it was the sunni/shia muslims BUT there are other facts to consider. The sunnis/shias are not very fond of 19 in the Quran because based on tht code hadith n sunnah, a central dogma in their faith, has to be trashed and also verses 9:128&129 which they consider part of the Quran so why would they make matches with code-19? Also it doesn?t make sense that such emotionally charged people would first try to match up codes with the Quran and then go on the attack. Also MOST SIGNNIFICANTLY how could the US government be involved either and choose 911, the emergency code, as the date making themlves suspicious? It's unlikely. Taking all this into account im considering for the first time, JUST CONSIDERING, the possibility of some Alien intelligence whove read the Quran and know it's conventional setting to have played a role in this. If true then I hypothesize the following. Those jinn aliens heard the Quran as per 72:1 1400 years ago. That is they knew about the above verses from sura 9 as well and knew that it contained a mention about buildings and them being thrown into the fire metaphorically. They though to themslves tht those are probably going to be good verses to rip out of context as attacking buildings was always considered a major issue and they knew human mentality. Later as sunni/shia divided the Quran into 30 parts and the latter part of sura 9 fell into part 11 they schemed and waited for the most powerful nation, i.e. US, to develop and hten introduce 911 as the emergency date. Taking this now they waited for signifcant buldings to get established and then all they had to do is wait for the appropriate date and get the attack carried out by whispering into the hearts of men as the vil ones always do as per sura 114. They used the already extremists and they left small hints perhaps coz of them having some sort of pride/arrogance as Iblees clearly does. Note that there were 19 hijackers. Those evil jinn aliens have now successfully reached thier goal i.e. DEFAMING THE QURAN. Notice how no one is blaiming the hadith for these events but everywhere the Quran gets the blame. If that isnt telling i dont know wht is.
The following verses mentioning the term "JINN" MIGHT just be referring to aliens(Jinn in Arabic comes from the root "jan" meaning HIDDEN and is nowadays used often to refer to mythical creatures but from the way the Quran describes them i see it more liekly referring to EITHER 1) metaphor for certain groups of humans OR 2) Aliens. Plz note specifically the description of the Arabic terms used:
15:27 As for the Jinn/Aliens We(Allah) created them before(mankind) from NAAR(Fire) of SAMOOM(root Siin-Miim-Miim: poison, penetrate, burning hot. Another form ?sammun? of the same root: hole, eye of the needle, small doorway at the side of a large gate. ?Samun? yet another similar adjective of the same root word: ?pestilential scorching wind which penetrate into the bodies?).
Then at another verse:
55:15 And created the Jinn/Aliens from MAARIJ* NAAR(fire)
* root Miim-Ra-Jiim meaning: pasture, mixed(one thing with another, flow or flow freely(as separate entities), set forth. Another term of the same root ?marija?: marred, spoiled, corrupted, impaired, disturbed, unsteady,confused
72:1 Say: "I(receiver of Quran i.e. Muhammad) was inspired that a group of Jinn/Aliens listened, then said "We have heard an amazing Quran".
27:39 One afrit(powerful jinn) from the Jinn said: "I can bring it(throne of the queen sheba in the context) before you(solomon) stand up. Im powerful enough to do this."
27:40 The one who possessed knowledge FROM THE BOOK said: "I can bring it to you in a blink of your eye."
Then theres the mentioning of ?Iblees? commonly understood as ?satan? in the Quran who claims that whilst GOD created Adam and asked him to submit before him, he wldnt do so because he claimed to be made from fire and Adam from clay. Here are the verses:
7:11 We(GOD) created you, then we shaped you, then we said to the malaaikah(root Miim-Laam-Kaf: controllers, kings, angels), "Fall prostrate before Adam." They fell prostrate, except Iblees (Satan); he was not with the prostrators.
7:12 He said, "What prevented you from prostrating when I ordered you?" He said, "I am better than he; You created me from fire, and created him from mud."
7:13 He said, "Therefore, you must go down, for you are not to be arrogant here. Get out; you are debased."

NOW im also beginning to reconsider my old hypothesis that GOD might have used an alien process on the apes via malaaikah to create a new being out of them and then asked them to be of service to him which ONE, SATAN, DENIED denied whilst the others obeyed known as ?malaaika(controllers, kings)? mistranslated as ?angels? in most Quran translations. Amazingly also in the Quran Allah/GOD is defined as the ?Light of the heavens and the earth?. Heres tht verse too:
24:35 GOD is the light of the heavens and the earth. The allegory of His light is that of a concave mirror behind a lamp that is placed inside a glass container. The glass container is like a bright, pearl-like star. The fuel thereof is supplied from a blessed oil-producing tree, that is neither eastern, nor western. Its oil is almost self-radiating; needs no fire to ignite it. Light upon light. GOD guides to His light whoever wills (to be guided). GOD thus cites the parables for the people. GOD is fully aware of all things.

GOD Bless!
#12
Science / MJAH(Malak Jinn are aliens Hypothesis)
March 15, 2009, 07:42:46 AM
Peace,
Recently I've come to reconsider my previous concepts of Malak and Jinn being what is termed by many as ?aliens?. I had considered the alien concept as bunk because of lack of evidence unil I came across ?aleinscientists? channel at youtrube:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=AlienScientist&view= videos
This led me to rethink my old views. I now consider, JUST CONSIDER, again the possibility of Malak being a special type of Alien, probably made from plasma just as jinn, who are BOUND TO A SPECIFIC TASK while jinn are those, made from the same material, but they?ve deviated from their original task just as the Quran says man boasted to take up responsibility which the mountains and other objects refused to do so. If this is true and the evidence continues to add upo it could explain all Quranic verses containing these two terms perfectly. Like how the knowledgable Jinn brought the throne of sheba to Solomon in a blink of an eye, them tring to spy on the heavens and being bombarded by meteors, etc etc. It would also perfectly explain Mary being impregnated in an unusual way by GOD ordering a specific Malak, alien, to mutate certain genes within Mary?s reproductive system and thereby lead her to give a birth without any man touching her. This could also explain why we never hear about Jesus ever having kids because he was made sterile in order to ensure that the mutated egnes are not passed on making it a one time event. BUT since this is an extraordinary claim it must be backed up by equivalent evidence so if true then GOD must have ensured tht the DNA of Jesus and mary be fossilized somewhere on this planet for us to discover in the future. This is a singificant prediction made by this hypothesis of mine. GOD Bless!
#13
Peace,
Seeing that there are still many people who bring up the same old creatinists arguments and apparently havent yet seen the evidence provided here it urged me to create this list of videos and channels which give detailed explanation of wvolution and also debunk creationism. The list will be updated further.

Selected videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk (Chromsome 2 providing evidence for common ancestory btw apes and humans; Note: Ken Miller is a devout THEIST)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdwTwNPyR9w (Flagellum and irreducible complexity)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_HVrjKcvrU (Another video on irreducible complexity debunked by Ken Miller)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De-OkzTUDVA (ERVs i.e. endogenous retroviruses providing evidence for common ancestory between spes and humans)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUxLR9hdorI (Another video on ERVs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IosyEXMz6d8 (Same gene same designer argument refuted and more evidence for common ancestory btw apes and humans)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K11knFKqW4s (Part 3 of the proof for evolution videos by DonExodus explaining ATAVISMS i.e. traits that ancestoral organisms exhibited and we dont BUT yet we have the genetic code present for those and they can be reactivated e.g. the REAL human tail)

Channels:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=ExtantDodo&view=videos
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DonExodus2&view=videos (This guy is a THEIST)
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=AronRa&view=videos
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Kabane52&view=videos (This young fellow is a THEIST TOO)
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=cdk007&view=videos (Very good vids explaining evo)
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Thunderf00t&view=videos (Especially watch his "why do people laugh at creationists" videos)
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=potholer54&view=videos
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Potholer54debunks&view=videos
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=freethoughtEFNet&view=videos
GOD Bless!
#14
Peace all,

I have heard now many times how bad the Israelis are, that theyr bullies murderers etc etc. Surely i blame them for their simplicity in war by dropping bombs from above BUT are they INTENTIONALLY KILLING INNOCENTS or is this the exclusive behaviour of Hamas? The knowledge which i currently posess allows me to make only one conclusion, HAMAS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING so it should also get the blame for anything that happened to the innocents around them. They are the ones who cowardly hide behind the public and unfortunately most palis even voted for tht stinky terrorist gang. GOD Bless!