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Jinn & the Paranormal / Crop cirlces
« on: November 07, 2005, 02:13:25 PM »

Recently, I watched a documentary on crop circles.  These are usually circles or patterns (fractals and other symbols) that appear on crop fields.  

Skeptics think they are man-made and indeed some are and you can tell that they are man made but to me personally some are too amazing to be the product of human beings, I came to this conclusion because some of the patterns awed me as they were very precise and large fractals, I think they are a natural phenomena like snow flakes.



a complicated irregular line or pattern in mathematics built from simple repeated shapes that are reduced in size every time they are repeated:

- Fractals are used in the study of things like forked lightning and to produce some types of computer graphics.

- The way that the trunk of a tree divides into smaller and smaller branches and twigs is an approximate fractal pattern.

It would be interesting to hear what other members think of crop circles and if any members have actually seen one in real life.

I have not seen one except on the TV and I am assuming that the images were not enhanced and are proper recordings.


Forum Suggestions / CHESS
« on: October 01, 2005, 07:23:25 AM »

I would like to recommend a chess game like on Yahoo, where we can play chess with each other live!

Chess is very mind stimualting!


General Issues / Questions / Mullah kicked out of Britain!
« on: August 13, 2005, 06:29:48 PM »
Peace All,

I would just like to hear you opinions on this situation:

Basically a mullah called Omar Bakhri labelled the 'tottenham ayatollah' is not allowed to set foot on British soil because he 'is not conducive to the public good'.

I don't like the guy because he has been living in this country for twenty years but he hates the British way of life and praises the London bombers by calling them the 'fantastic four'.

I am glad he is not allowed to be around me or the people of Britain and hopefully other people that absolutely hate the country can also be kicked out!  

The only problem I have is basically the reason why he has been kicked out, there are racist political parties like the British National Party that cause trouble and other hate preachers but they are not kicked out because basically they don't promote terrorism on such a scale.

I don't know whether the new 'anti-terror' laws deal with this but I still wonder whether it is right to kick a man out of the country because he has different polictical views and hates westerners.

What do you all think?


General Issues / Questions / As a group how do we present ourselves?
« on: July 16, 2005, 06:18:42 PM »

I am starting this thread to just get an idea of what the rest of this forum thinks of the concept of names and labels.

I am talking about 'Islam' and 'Muslim', 'Salat' etc  Do others worry that these maybe meaningless names that have been made and are not authorised by the Most High.

I personally think that at the time of the Prophet these words had more significant meanings whereas now, they are lost and are just labels to identify a group.

Anyway has anyone else been thinking about this too?



I am quoting an article from the first issue of Signs magazine,

Who put Christ into Christmas?  

"The good things which December brought are past. Now it's only another year to Christmas! It's the clear up after Christmas. There cards, which gave so much pleasure, are littering the floor and the decorated Christmas tree stands sadly in the corner reminding us of the parties and fun. Oh, I almost forgot, Jesus was born on Christmas Day, it's his birthday we were supposed to be celebrating.!"

This is how someone might reflect on the festivities of Christmas, the perfect festival to mark Christ's birth, observed throughout the world by millions of people, both Christian and non-Christian.

Yet Jesus could never have imagined that his birth would be celebrated in this way and neither could he have envisaged that he would be worshipped as God. He would surely have been horrified by the idea.

'And a certain ruler asked him (Jesus), saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, why callest thou me good? None is good, save one that is God.
(Bible Luke 18:18)

No one knows exactly when Jesus was born but his birth was assigned the date of winter solstice, December the 25th in the Julian calendar, because on this day, as the sun began its return to northern skies, the pagan devotees of Mithra celebrated the dies natalis Solis Inviciti -Birthday of the invincible sun.

For the first three centuries there is no record of Christ's birthday being celebrated, but since then, various dates have been assigned to commemorate it.

Even now the Christian people are not in complete agreement whether to celebrate it or not.

Pagan rituals clearly had influence on early Christianity, and through time new customs have been introduced into the religion.

The Bible predicted and forbade the decorcation of trees: " Thus saith the Lord, learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a free out of the forest, the work of the hands of a workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold, they fasten it with nails and hammers, that it not move not.... " (Jeremiah 10:2-5).

The two references made to the bible are very interesting and as ironic as the situation is traditional islam.  For example Jesus clearly states that he is not good and only God who is ONE is good whereas christians with 'logic' somehow worked out the trinity concept which is logical in their eyes and would defend it with their lives!

The second one is about the christmas trees, chopping for the purpose of decorating is an act that heathens used to do but now the tables have turned and millions of 'followers' of Jesus are doing what the bible prohibits.

The reason why I said this is similar to the situation in secterian islam is because if someone reads the great reading and the bible they will clearly see that the claimed 'followers' do not follow these scriptures!  but they follow their scholars.

Every time I read the bible I stumble across clear strict monotiestic verses stating that God is ONE and not a man or the likeness of any creature etc and also other verses that condemn the practice of so-called christians.

Rarely do I see reference being made to the bible to support trinity, thats a shame, alhtough it is a standard on these forums to quote from books for evidence, I have not seen much in this department.


« on: June 11, 2005, 07:19:56 PM »

I personally think this man has changed the world in a very positive way and it is a good sign to see his idea catching on.

See the link below:

I don't know whether the rest of you have come across this person before.

I am also unsure about whether these ideas can be found in the reading, although the reading encourages us to care for the poor and this man has done a great job in helping out millions.


Off-Topic / Pure Mineral Water at restaurants
« on: May 19, 2005, 12:55:31 PM »

This might make me look like a fussy person but I am very serious about this and I think that this needs to be known by restauranteers.

A bottle of water can only be called Pure mineral water if it is actually that, pure water from a spring or somehwere that isn't chemically treated like our tap water.

When a restaurant serves us mineral water in a glass from a bottle they give ice with it, is this ice mineral water ice? because if it isn't then it would be tap water ice and that would ruin the whole point of a pure mineral water drink.  Do you see where I'm coming from?!

Have any of you come across this before, does any one give a damn?!


Job Seekers/Business / Chartered Accountants?
« on: May 18, 2005, 01:38:47 PM »

Are there any Chartered accountants on this forum living in Britain?

I am currently a school leaver about to train towards Chartered Accountancy, GW.


Off-Topic / Sports, board games etc
« on: April 27, 2005, 04:24:09 AM »
Peace All,

I have started this thread just to help us get to know each other a little better (similarly like the one about day-jobs).

What sorts of sports do you all enjoy and what do you do in your spare time apart from obviously contributing towards these discussion and researching.

Over here in Britain, I enjoy Football (or soccer as some of the americans might call it), love playing chess and also snooker (I am unaware of how much interest there is in WORLD championship snooker.

I play a lot of snooker.

What do the rest of you do?


General Issues / Questions / Quran came through a fallible human
« on: April 21, 2005, 02:54:22 AM »
Peace all,

While reading one of the threads someone brought up the point that the Quran came through a fallible human, I agree but that person I think is trying to say that the Quran is not the word of GOD? Am I right Lotetree?

I have started this thread to help clarify to Lotetree why most of us consider the Quran to be a guide and mercy and the word of God.

I will simply start by saying that if you read the verses of the Quran God explains that the revelation came through a flawed human but the Almighty controlled the experience and Mohammed did not do ANY interpretation.  So if you say that Muhammed interpreted it, I must disagree because I strongly assert that this Book is from a source beyond Muhammed, it is from the Most High.  Put the Book to the test.

I do not simply follow this book because of the reasons above, but because I have checked for myself to find that the above claims made by the Quran are actually true, that Muhammed could not have possibly played a role in the composition and production of the Quran, he is only the honorouble man who was given the duty to pass the message to the world.

Like Zenje, I have found that this Book has made life easier to understand and has given me guidance and brought me closer to understanding the Divine.

If what you (Lotetree) are saying that the Quran is another hadith of Muhammed then we would not follow it, it is the best hadith and Gods hadith and Sunnah.  Hadith means tradition/narration i think.  We as believers follow the best word.  I understand that Muhammed recited it but it is not his word, it is from the Creator.  

Lotetree, sorry if I have misunderstood you in anyway but maybe you can clarify to us your thoughts on what you think of the Quran.

Note: we do not say that Quran is the only way to success, God speaks to us in many ways and many scriptures but there are some in the world that abuse this idea by placing humans in a heirarchy of power and knowledge e.g the Pope and they profit from this structure (religions) and in the process corrupt.  I disagree with that and believe that all individuals shoud keep their relationships with God as a direct relationship, there are no intercessors on the Day of Truth.


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