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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Takes time to reach God?
« on: August 08, 2016, 08:31:57 PM »
Peace everyone,

32:5 He arranges matters from the heaven to the earth, then it ascends to him in a day which is equivalent to one thousand of the years which you count.

It ascends to God in a day indicating God is at some distance because it takes some time (no matter how small) for it to ascend to God, thus God is not everywhere, but according to another sign God is present everywhere, so ascent to God should take zero time.

2:115 And to God belong the east and the west, so wherever you turn, there is the presence of God. God is infinite, knowledgeable.

Can anyone explain/resolve this apparent contradiction?

General Issues / Questions / Making money from home by day trading
« on: August 22, 2015, 08:43:34 AM »
Peace dear readers,

1. Is making money by day trading gambling?
2. Has any reader made money successfully by day trading?
3. Has any reader tried day trading and was not successful?

Kindly share your views and experiences.


General Issues / Questions / The best way to discover the truth!
« on: January 16, 2015, 07:44:34 PM »
Peace be upon everyone,

Who are we?
Why were we created?
Why are we here on Earth?
What is our destination?
What really happens after death?
How can we make spiritual progress?
What is consciousness?
What is God?

Do you believe you are a human being?
Do you believe you are a male or a female?
Do you believe you are your mind?
Do you believe you are a form-based being?
Do you believe reality must be 3 dimensional?
Do you believe your existence is linear?

People claim to find the truth about these questions and others in divinely inspired books, divinely inspired religions, from teachers, priests, imams, from science etc., but how can we discover the actual truth and the reality for ourselves about all these questions and many others? How can we be completely sure that what we have learned is actually the truth? How can we verify it for ourselves? How can we break free of the blocks and boxes created by beliefs, dogmas and indoctrinations and finally discover the reality? In my opinion, books are not the answer, no matter how divine they claim to be. Religions are not the answer. Teachers, priests, imams etc. are not the answer. Science is not the answer.

I think the best way to discover the truth, and to get all the answers is to experience it yourself! After all it is a personal journey. Question everything, assume nothing. Find out for yourself!

Please watch the following videos fully:

Some more details:

Meditation and channeling are some other ways:

Please share your experiences if you have practiced any of this.

Peace and may the love and light of the Infinite Creator be with you.

Peace be upon all of you,

CAUTION AND FAIR WARNING: Only the extremely open minded should read on. The contents might sound blasphemous and/or shocking to some!

I haven't posted in this forum for about 5 years now but my quest for the truth has never ended and is ongoing. My search for the truth has led me on an amazing journey and I have discovered some amazing truths. For example, now I know that mermaids exist, and they have coexisted with us for thousands of years! I have a fairly good idea what our origin and role in the universe is, who the "jinn" are, why we and the jinn were created, what will actually happen when we die, what "heaven" actually is, what will happen on "day of judgment" and what its approximate time is, and where all the creation is heading towards. I also have a fairly good idea who the various aliens are, what their agenda is, and what UFO's and USO's are!

In this post I wanted to share some of my discoveries with you. I do not wish to indulge in any discussion or debate but I will try my best to answer any questions you might have. Just to clarify, whenever I use the words "the quran" in this post, I mean " the current quranic text", and not the original al-quran that was channeled to Muhammad, the prophet and messenger.

At one time I used to believe in the truthfulness and divine origin of the entire quran but I am not so sure now. In the past I used quranic verses as evidence and as one hundred percent words of the Infinite Creator in my discussions. I used to be an ardent proponent of its complete truthfulness and completeness and that it did not contain any falsehood at all but now I am starting to have doubts. Some things in it never made any sense to me and now I realize it could be because they were not the truth to start with! My current view is that most/majority of the quran is of divine origin and is the truth, but some part of it contains falsehood.

The quran itself encourages everyone to verify everything using their minds and reason.

17:36 And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and heart, all these you are responsible for.

This might be circular reasoning, but I believe this process works because it appeals to our built in compass. Using this process of verification, I have come to the conclusion that some verses of the quran might contain falsehood. Of course, I am open minded and I might be wrong, and I am willing to revise my understanding if faced with evidence to the contrary.

I have fallen victim to the logical fallacy of circular reasoning for most of my life! I would urge you to please see the following link:

Most of my findings come from external evidences outside of the quran. That is the only way to verify, otherwise if the evidence comes from the book itself, it would be circular reasoning. As per the quran:

41:53 We will show them our signs in the horizons, and within themselves, until it becomes clear to them that this is the truth. Is it not enough that your lord is witness over all things?

Before proceeding further, let me clarify what my current views and beliefs are. I KNOW that there is one Infinite Creator, an infinitely intelligent energy, which is omnipotent, omnipresent, eternal, all knowing, all loving, and creator of everything. Praise and many thanks to the one Infinite Creator in all its glory :)

One question for everyone to ponder would be where does this one Infinite Creator end and anything else begin? Even quantum physics is theorizing that all matter is eventually made of quantum states of strings of energy. Matter and energy has been shown to be interconvertible. The next question would be, if that is the nature of creation, why did the one Infinite Creator create the creation?!

I also have the view that most of the current quranic text is divinely inspired from this one Infinite Creator, but unfortunately some of it is mixed with falsehood, and there could be additions to and deletions from the original text.

The two signs that are used as evidence to the quran being fully protected are as follows:

15:9 Indeed it is we who have sent down the reminder (al-zikr), and indeed it is we who will preserve it.

41:41 Those who have rejected the reminder (al-zikr) when it came to them; and it is an honorable book.
41:42 No falsehood could enter it, presently or afterwards; a revelation from one most wise, praiseworthy.

Readers should note that these signs are talking about "al-zikr"/ the reminder and not the quran. Al-zikr is the truth and is divinely protected. Using one's mind and reason, one can easily discern which portion of the quran is "al-zikr" because it can be verified by an outside source and has no discrepancies in it.

One sign that indicates the quran being of divine origin in its entirety is as follows:

4:82 Do they not reflect on the qur'an? If it was from any other than the god they would have found in it many a discrepancy.

This could have been true of the original quran that was channeled to Muhammad by Gabriel, and this sign would be applicable to that original quran. I have found at least three discrepancies in the current quranic text and there could be more because of all the mutashaabihaat that no one can conveniently understand. I will mention some of the discrepancies I have found below, and I have been unable to resolve those discrepancies even after years of study and research.

I think that when the quran was being channeled to Muhammad, most of the channeling was done by Gabriel which contains the truth, but some channeling was done by negative entities who disguised themselves as Gabriel, thereby causing some mixing with falsehood. In addition to that, some of the additions and deletions came later on after the death of Muhammad.

I will now list some of the thought processes, questions, and discrepancies that led to my current views about the current quranic text:

1. Why did the one Infinite Creator create mankind in the first place knowing that a majority of them will go to hell for eternity due to that act of creation? Is the one Infinite Creator sadistic?

2. Is the one Infinite Creator a jealous Creator?

He allegedly says in the current quranic text that he will never forgive anyone who sets up partners with him:

4:48 The god does not forgive that partners be set up with him, and he forgives other than that for whom he pleases. Whoever sets up partners with the god has indeed invented a great sin.
4:116 The god does not forgive that partners be set up with him, and he forgives other than that for whom he pleases. Whoever sets up partners with the god has indeed strayed a far straying.

Strangely, this idea occurs only twice in the entire quran and both times in chapter 4!

The entire mankind is less than a quark's size in front of the one Infinite Creator. How can the entire mankind harm the one Infinite Creator by setting up partners with him that this is an unforgivable action? I can understand if there was another god and the god of the quran was jealous, then these statements might make sense.

3. Discrepancy alert: How can the one Infinite Creator be the merciful when he will punish the MAJORITY/MOST of mankind in fire for eternity for setting up partners with him?

The Infinite Creator is the merciful and the forgiving. Countless signs including:

1:3 The almighty, the merciful.
3:129 And to the god is what is in the heavens and in the earth, he forgives whom he pleases, and he punishes whom he pleases; and the god is forgiving, merciful.

BUT he NEVER forgives those who set up partners:

4:48 The god does not forgive that partners be set up with him, and he forgives other than that for whom he pleases. Whoever sets up partners with the god has indeed invented a great sin.
4:116 The god does not forgive that partners be set up with him, and he forgives other than that for whom he pleases. Whoever sets up partners with the god has indeed strayed a far straying.

12:106 And MOST of them will not believe in the god except while setting up partners.

So MAJORITY/MOST of mankind will set up partners and they will be put in the fire:

5:72 Rejecters indeed are those who have said: "the god is the messiah, son of Mary." And the messiah said: "O children of israel, serve the god, my lord and your lord. Whoever sets up partners with the god, then the god will restrict the paradise from him, and his destiny will be the fire; and the wicked will have no supporters."

Is this a merciful and forgiving Creator who does not forgive the majority and punishes the majority?

4. Discrepancy alert: Is the Creator needy? Does he need someone to serve him?

51:56 I did not create the jinn and mankind except to serve me.

But the Creator is NOT needy. He is "al-samad", the one who fulfils others needs. (112:2)

5. Why does the one Infinite Creator who is the all knowing, never mentions the Mayans, the Hopi Indians, the Chinese, the East Indians, Atlantians, Lemurians etc. who pre dated the quran and were very advanced, large and influential civilizations, and the messengers sent to them, and their history, and conveniently ignores them, when it is supposed to be a universal message for entire mankind? It has place for hundreds of "mutashaabihaat" verses which no one can fully understand but there was no place for a few verses about them?

6. Why does it focus only on the Abrahamic line of messengers and descendants of Abraham, and the history of a small part of the world centered around some Middle Eastern and African areas, when it is supposed to be a universal message for the entire mankind? Isn't that discrimination? Had it mentioned other civilizations, which is very easy for the one Infinite Creator to do, people would have been globally receptive to its message.

Proponents say it was sent to Arabs initially so it talks about things Arabs were familiar with at the time, but these proponents don't realize that a lot of verses such as the "mutashaabihaat" were not comprehendible by those same Arabs, so what was the point for including those verses?

7. Why does it seem to forget or does not acknowledge the fact that the sun remains above the horizon for 2 months or more, north of the Arctic Circle, with practical implications for salaat and sawm/abstinence? The timings of salaat and sawm given by it are impractical for people in those areas. Did the one Infinite Creator have no knowledge of simple astronomy or forgot about people living in those areas in a universal book?

8. Why does the quran condone killing of humans in the one Infinite Creator's name rather than non lethal ways of dealing with those situations?

9:5 So when the restricted full-moons have passed, then you may kill the polytheists wherever you find them, and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and they uphold the bond, and they contribute towards purification, then you shall leave them alone. The god is the forgiving, the merciful.
9:12 And if they break their oaths after making their pledge, and they challenge the authority of your system; then you may kill the leaders of rejection. Their oaths are nothing to them, perhaps they will then cease.

Proponents say it was only in self defense. In 9:5 "when the restricted months have passed" clearly shows they were not being actively physically attacked at the time they initiated their killing. In 9:12 the mushrikeen just broke the oaths and challenged the authority of the system, there was no active physical attack threatening the mumineen's lives.

9. Discrepancy alert: Mohsanaat are forbidden except "ma malakat aymanukum" (4:24), then why is this contradicted in case of mothers of orphans (4:3)?
To my knowledge, brother Ayman was never able to resolve that according to his posts that I have read.

10. How can congenital deformities be explained? The quran never discusses this important issue. It would have been very easy for the one Infinite Creator to have shed light on this issue.

11. Why did the one Infinite Creator not clearly and unambiguously tell us how many salaat are the momineen/believers supposed to uphold in a day with unambiguous timings? He could have clearly told us whether there are 2 or 3 or 5 salaat in a day, and their clear timings. It would have been very easy for the one Infinite Creator to do.

12. Why did the one Infinite Creator not clearly and unambiguously tell us how many days the momineen/believers are supposed to practice sawm/abstinence? He could have clearly told us whether there are 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 or 8 or 9 or 10 or 30 days of sawm/abstinence. It would have been very easy for the one Infinite Creator to do.

13. Why did the one Infinite Creator not clearly and unambiguously tell us exactly when the restricted time periods start and end? He could have clearly told us that the first restricted time period starts with the shahr ramadaan, and it ends at the next shahr and that there are 3 more restricted time periods following the first one, lasting from one shahr to the next one. It would have been very easy for the one Infinite Creator to do. Then there wouldn't have been arguments/debates among intelligent people lasting more than 10 years with no resolution in sight!

The research that I have undertaken in the last few years has given me answers to all the above troubling questions, as to what the truth actually is and has resolved all those issues for me personally. I have provided some links for those who have the time and willingness to dig for the truth. It all started when I came across a post on this forum in 2010 by Tay:

Most of the current quranic text is very much in line with the law of one.
I am very grateful for brothers Tay, OPF and Magi's posts from the past which were eye openers for me!

Background reading:

Codices of the quran:

Praise and many thanks to the one Infinite Creator in all its glory :)


Discuss Latest World News / Porn movie will be shown to students
« on: April 02, 2009, 11:32:54 AM »
This is what happens when God's laws are not followed:

UC Davis student group will show porn movie Thursday
Published Tuesday, Mar. 31, 2009

A student group at the University of California, Davis, plans to show a hardcore pornographic movie in a campus lecture hall Thursday night.

The student run Entertainment Council announced on its Facebook page that it will be showing "Pirates II: Stagnetti's Revenge," a big-budget porn movie that combines computer-generated special effects with explicit sex scenes.

Student leaders for the group did not immediately return phone calls and e-mail messages.

The movie has been showing on college campuses around the nation, including at the University of California, Los Angeles.

The company that distributes the movie, Digital Playground, of Van Nuys, has been giving it away for campus screenings.

Company spokesman Christopher Ruth said porn no longer has the stigma it once did, and campuses have been showing the $10 million porn movie for entertainment and educational purposes.

"Pirates II" is the most expensive porn movie ever made, he said.

UC Davis spokesman Andy Fell said the campus does not censor student events, performances or publications and had no plans to cancel the event.

He said no university funds had been spent on the movie screening.

The student group - part of the Associated Students of the University of California, Davis - plans to show the movie in a chemistry lecture hall, where it typically screens mainstream movies.

Next week's film: the Oscar-winning "Slumdog Millionaire."

General Issues / Questions / What happened to Muhammad Asad's website?
« on: November 23, 2008, 06:54:00 PM »
Peace everyone,

When I recently tried to click on Muhammad Asad's website "Rational Reality" from my favorites, I got the following:

Does anyone know where I can find his excellent articles on God, Quran and Science?

Health & Fitness / Health benefits of coffee
« on: November 17, 2008, 12:46:26 PM »
Peace everyone,

There is some misunderstanding that coffee is not beneficial for health. In fact, scientific evidence shows many health benefits of coffee. For the healthy adult population, moderate coffee consumption of about 3 cups per day (containing caffeine 300 mg/day) is safe and can have beneficial health implications as part of a healthful diet and physically active lifestyle.

- In recent decades, some 19,000 studies have been done examining coffee's impact on health.

- Overall, the research shows that coffee is far more healthful than it is harmful. For most people, very little bad comes from drinking it, but a lot of good.

- After analyzing data on 126,000 people for as long as 18 years, Harvard researchers calculate that compared with not drinking coffee, downing one to three cups of caffeinated coffee daily can reduce diabetes risk by single digits. But having six cups or more each day slashed men's risk by 54% and women's by 30% over java avoiders.

- At least six studies indicate that people who drink coffee on a regular basis are up to 80% less likely to develop Parkinson's, with three showing the more they drink, the lower the risk.

- Coffee intake is associated with lower risk for Alzheimer's disease.

- Other research shows that compared to not drinking coffee, at least two cups daily can translate to a 25% reduced risk of colon cancer.

- Compared to not drinking coffee, at least two cups daily can translate to an 80% drop in liver cirrhosis risk.

- Compared to not drinking coffee, at least two cups daily can translate to nearly half the risk of gallstones.

- Recent studies have consistently demonstrated a decreased risk of liver cancer in men who drink coffee.

- People who smoke and are heavy drinkers have less heart disease and liver damage when they regularly consume large amounts of coffee compared to those who don't.

- There's also some evidence that coffee may help manage asthma and even control attacks when medication is unavailable, stop a headache, boost mood, and even prevent cavities.

- Coffee makes you more alert, which can boost concentration.

- There recently was a study from Brazil finding that children who drink coffee with milk each day are less likely to have depression than other children.

- No studies show that coffee in reasonable amounts is in any way harmful to children.

- Coffee is a powerful aid in enhancing athletic endurance and performance.

- Coffee is not addictive.

- Coffee does not cause dehydration.

- Coffee does not raise the risk of high blood pressure. In a study, women who drank more than three cups of coffee daily were about 7 percent to 12 percent less likely to develop high blood pressure than women who drank little or no coffee. Drinking regular sodas and diet sodas, however, increases the risk of high blood pressure!

- There appears to be no connection between coffee consumption and cardiac arryhthmias.

- Coffee does not cause increased risk of heart disease.

- There is no association between coffee consumption and stroke.

- Filtered coffee does not significantly increase serum cholesterol levels. Unfiltered coffee, however, causes mild increase in cholesterol levels.

Studies indicate that consuming five cups of unfiltered French press coffee per day (30 milligrams of cafestol) for four weeks raises cholesterol in the blood 6 to 8 percent. Cafestol, a compound found in coffee, elevates cholesterol but using paper filters removed the coffee oils, which contain cafestol. In another study, no significant effects on serum cholesterol level were found in the group drinking filtered coffee compared with those who drank no coffee. People with high cholesterol or who are at high risk of heart disease should choose filtered coffee. They should also avoid coffee filters that have "aroma holes," which are very common in Sweden. A healthy person with low cholesterol probably does not need to worry too much about the effect of coffee on cholesterol levels.

- Osteoporosis is not caused or worsened by coffee consumption provided calcium intake is adequate. Calcium lost from consuming one cup of coffee per day can be offset by adding just two tablespoons of milk to the coffee.

- Coffee can cause heartburn but three studies suggested that consuming decaffeinated coffee may reduce the symptoms of GERD (gastroesophageal reflux disease).

- Consuming coffee in moderate amounts during pregnancy is safe. Maternal consumption of no more than 300 mg/day of caffeine, or approximately three cups of coffee per day, is unlikely to increase the risk of miscarriage. Pregnant women are advised to keep caffeine consumption at or below 300 mg/day (or approximately three cups of coffee).

- Consuming coffee in moderation is OK while breastfeeding.

- Consumption of caffeine in moderation at levels at or below 300 mg per day, or approximately three cups of coffee per day, did not reduce fertility in otherwise fertile women.

- There is no association between coffee consumption and benign breast tumors, fibrocystic breast disease, or breast tenderness.

Peace everyone,

I came across the following while reading al-quran:

74:41 About the criminals.
74:42 ?What has caused you to be in the scorching heat??
74:43 They said: ?We were not of those who connected (musalleen).?
74:44 ?And we did not feed the poor person.?
74:45 ?And we used to participate with those who spoke falsehood.?
74:46 ?And we used to deny the Day of Judgment.?
74:47 ?Until the certainty came to us.?

This clearly shows that those who did not perform salaat might incur punishment in the life hereafter. Therefore, it follows that salat is obligatory upon muslims/momins, contrary to what a lot of people who post in this forum think and preach.

Comments please.

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