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Upholding of male poligamy under whatever humanistic or non humanistic guise is a must for the intentional or unintentional idolisation of malehood

Denial of feminine poligamy is as much a must as the previous one is for the intentional or unintentional idolisation of malehood. This candy is necessary, otherwise the idolizer of malehood goes bonkers.

Denial of prophethood to Maryam is another must for those idolizers and anybody who does not deny is guilty of starting the war of the sexes.

There are other musts, but just as a sample.

For the question of male poligamy it is many times advanced the strong sexual drive of males which makes it reasonable for them to have a proper outlet.

However when demography does not fit their purported dream of many women for each of them, and goes the other way, either they deny that such a thing might ever happen anywhere at any time, either they ignore the question.

But all along, no matter what the demography of the moment may be, prostitution is upheld. Prostitution denies by itself all arguments and lies that are there to uphold the idolization of malehood poligamywise.

Legal feminine poligamy, where everybody would know where they stand and have mutual rights and duties NOOOOOO. The idolizers claim that would be against nature, but they lie, since they practice prostitutional feminine poligamy since time immemorial.

Underhand feminine poligamy - which is what prostitution is- where one part is deprived of almost every conceivable right, starting with the right to self respect, while the other part reserves for itself all power and might, is fine and even morally acceptable, as Saint Thomas Aquino said it is  necessary like gutters in palaces. ?That is not against nature? No, Iblees says it is not.

A lot of pretended qura'nism and liberal or progressive islam is far from being liberated of that idolisation, or even of wanting to be liberated of that idolisation. If those idolizers smelt that danger, they would run away. They are addicts that do not believe they could live without that. They may accept little concessions here and there under by the pressure from environment, but in fact the basis of their mind and soul is firmly rooted in that idolisation. The roots are not deep, because lies do not have deep roots, but firm and strong, yes, they are very very firm. Addictions, are so, bad dreams that do not go because they have got inside us.

To contend with malehood idolisation is a hopeless battle, and attempting to talk it out nicely is a dream. Like the power of the churches in many countries, it is unshakable unless a bloody or terrible revolution takes place. Their toy, malegodship, is the only thing sacred on earth. Play a little around trying to convince them, they might tolerate a little, but do not be so naive as to take it seriously, they will get wild and lacking all reason and manners and trample you under their feet, showing their Iblees rage if they could. They are addicts.

Bottom line: There is no Qur'an revival or permanent revelation without overthrowing the Iblees like idolisation of malehood. Try it, you will verify. You can go so far, not further. Iblees type addictions are the most clever weapons of soul destruction.

Salaam

 



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General Issues / Questions / "unread posts since last visit"
« on: March 16, 2019, 11:42:51 AM »
Why cannot I see now the

"unread posts since last visit"?

Where they were at the top corner right now is covered by the band "discover tru islam with al the headers


Salaam

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / mathal Adam
« on: December 07, 2018, 01:49:24 PM »
Mathal inthe Qur'an is differently translated as parable, example

aya 3.59 says:
إِنَّ مَثَلَ عِيسَىٰ عِندَ اللَّـهِ كَمَثَلِ آدَمَ ۖ خَلَقَهُ مِن تُرَابٍ ثُمَّ قَالَ لَهُ كُن فَيَكُونُ

The mathal of 3isaa for God is as the mathal of Adam, He created him from dust and then told him be and he is.

So there a mathal of Adam, what is that mathal, mathal is not something that is by itself but something that should remit us to some previous meaning.

So what is adam's mathal.

Salaam

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Does denial (kufr) matter?
« on: December 02, 2018, 08:59:33 AM »
I quote part of a message on aprevious thread of the forum:
It was on the question whether Maryam was or not a prophet


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but honestly does it really matters ??  there were a lot of unknown messengers , is it important to know also the unknown messengers ?? cause your saying: so you/we have to know them all ???

 the idea behind the messengers are to spread the word of Allah ,  no matter if the messenger is, black-white - red - woman - man or angel or jinn .the message is the goal.




Obviously we cannot deny a prophet we have never known about, or we have not had the means to know enough about, as surely there have been all over the world amongst all peoples. We may learn from sources and we may find some times that a certain person in a certain place and time taught this or that and set an example as a saintly person, so we may gather he or she could have been a prophet or most probably he was, we would not deny he or she could have been outright because we do not have a proof of he or she not being one.

But as it happens when somebody is in the Qur'an and God speaks, we cannot say we do not know, if we reject it is in our own prejudice and because we out of ego hide what we do not like. But it is a denial of a prophet. The excuses and hide outs out of the truth are innumerable, but whose loss is it?

4. 155-157
فَبِمَا نَقْضِهِم مِّيثَاقَهُمْ وَكُفْرِهِم بِآيَاتِ اللَّـهِ وَقَتْلِهِمُ الْأَنبِيَاءَ بِغَيْرِ حَقٍّ وَقَوْلِهِمْ قُلُوبُنَا غُلْفٌ ۚ بَلْ طَبَعَ اللَّـهُ عَلَيْهَا بِكُفْرِهِمْ فَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا ﴿١٥٥﴾
وَبِكُفْرِهِمْ وَقَوْلِهِمْ عَلَىٰ مَرْيَمَ بُهْتَانًا عَظِيمًا ﴿١٥٦﴾ وَقَوْلِهِمْ إِنَّا قَتَلْنَا الْمَسِيحَ عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولَ اللَّـهِ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ وَلَـٰكِن شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ ۚ وَإِنَّ الَّذِينَ اخْتَلَفُوا فِيهِ لَفِي شَكٍّ مِّنْهُ ۚ مَا لَهُم بِهِ مِنْ عِلْمٍ إِلَّا اتِّبَاعَ الظَّنِّ ۚ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ يَقِينًا ﴿١٥٧﴾

Then because of their breaking of their covenant, and their denial in the revelations of Allah, and their slaying of the prophets wrongfully, and their saying: Our hearts are hardened - Nay, but Allah set a seal upon them for their denial, so that they believe not save a few - (155) And because of their denial and their speaking against Mary a tremendous calumny; (156) And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. (157)

I do not expect to convince anyone. That is not anybody's job
and certainly not mine, but every seeking person can do with every help. What is for sure, it is more useful said than kept hidden.

Denial of Maryam, there it is.
The calumny, is nice, it has pleased many virgin lovers and no problem seeing that it is there, because all is kept revolving around nice, old virginity, virgin or calumny that is all about it and the only thing that matters in a calumny that it is virginity that is at stake. Denial does not matter. And besides it can always be said that it does not refer to Maryam but denial in general, I know.  And that is why the Qur'an says that God only deceives those who want to be deceived.

The usual deniers may have again a field day with their plapper about war of sexes and all the crap... They are with virginity, not theirs, just Maryam's  or women's virginity .

God is with Maryam and her son, He willing, with those who would love to be brought back to life their way with God's permission. 



Salaam




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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Messages and ayyas
« on: November 26, 2018, 02:40:16 AM »
There seems to be some ideas about what constitues a message. It seems that most people think that a message must be some speech or some writing.
But many of the stories of people int he Qur'an with quotes or without them are not written or spoken messages, but rather behaviour and events.


Some people, in order to acknowledge a particular person as messenger or prophet require that the person be given some speech or writing in order to consider them messengers and leave aside, what explanations God gives and the content of everything transpired from those persons and their relationship with God. In a way, according to that understanding, the best messengers finally would be the more talkative or the ones who are counted as the best producers of written stuff. In that, and no matter how they feel about the question, they would be giving, by very, very, very far, the highest ranking (as rankings are considered) to the prophet who transmitted the Qur'an, simply because there is nothing like it or coming even close. Every other written document is very, very, very far. And in fact the Qur'an is the revelation that brings back to us the events(messages) in which many of God's messengers were involved and their behaviour.

Some also bring ayyas, or some events in which they were involved were ayyas and some are ayyas themselves.

So what is an ayya? Is it something that is pointed out to us just for the heck of it, or is it something we should something about?

Salaam 

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General Issues / Questions / Ignore list
« on: November 22, 2018, 07:47:21 AM »
I can' find the way to put a member in the ignore list. Anybody can help?


Salaam

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وَجَعَلْنَا ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَأُمَّهُ آيَةً وَآوَيْنَاهُمَا إِلَىٰ رَبْوَةٍ ذَاتِ قَرَارٍ وَمَعِينٍ ﴿23.50

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And We made the son of Mary and his mother as a Sign (ayya): We gave them both shelter on high ground, affording rest and security and furnished with springs.

21.91:

وَالَّتِي أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهَا مِن رُّوحِنَا وَجَعَلْنَاهَا وَابْنَهَا آيَةً لِّلْعَالَمِينَ ﴿٩١﴾
And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign (ayya) for all peoples.


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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Lut's family
« on: October 20, 2018, 04:27:49 AM »
Looking at different accounts given in the Qur'an of Lut's people and family, there is this question that just popped up in my mind:

We know Lut had with him his guests, and his family, and we know in the Qur'an we are told about Lut's daughters, about Lut's wife. Do e have mention of any other member of his family. Were there any male members apart from himself? I can't recall any mention of them in the Qur'an, so may be there were or may be there wern't.

Any views, ideas or comments?

As usual, please no bible for me. Particularly in this case: the later stories about Lut's daughters in the bible, I find specially tasteless.

Salaam 

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Who is Isra'iil إِسْرَائِيلَ
« on: September 13, 2018, 06:07:15 AM »
The name Isra'iil appears 43 times in the Qur'an, 42 of them as part of the compound Bani Isra'iil, and a single, lonely one time s the name by itself, in an enumeration after the name of Ibrahim. It appears as if the reaso for the lonely appearance would be to be able to then bring us the 42 times of the bani Isra'iil.

I have my on idea of ho are bani Isra'iil and I will make no mystery of it, we all are bani Isra'iil, but what or who is that lonely Isra'iil lost in an unconspicuous enumaration of the many there are in the Qur'an.

So anybody has any idea or can point out something?

PLEASE NO BIBLE

I think e all, at least those brought up as christians know the bible ell enough to rite for the hundredthoussandth time the Bible story. No use in birnging it up again, unless it really holds something helpful to see int he Qur'an.

All the damage and deformation brought into the Qur'an by bible stuff has made me painfully alergical to it and it invariably results in not getting any further with whatever is being dealt with, since the bible solves it all.   

Fine by itself, but please not mixing with the Qur'an.

Thank you. 

Salaam

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / killed the prophets
« on: August 27, 2018, 08:08:26 AM »
In 4.155 the people of the book are accused of killing the prophets:

(They have incurred divine displeasure): In that they broke their covenant; that they rejected the signs of Allah; that they slew the Messengers in defiance of right; that they said, "Our hearts are the wrappings (which preserve Allah's Word; We need no more)";- Nay, Allah hath set the seal on their hearts for their blasphemy, and little is it they believe;- (155)

I can't recall any prophet in the Qur'an killed by them.

?Can anybody mention those that indeed ere killed and if possible reference the ayas?

Thnak you

Salaam


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