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We can wrestle here too!

Do you have a problem with the glorious FreedomStands? Do you want him to "perish"?

Please recite and pronounce your terrible curses against FreedomStands here and your reasoning for them!

If you have a problem with FreedomStands, this is your chance to get it off your chest and discuss what your problems are and why!

Moreover, this is an opportunity for you to flatly state how much you dislike me, why, and can also devise ways to recite curses against me or ill wishes.

For example "I hope" "I pray" etc etc, that I be destroyed or harmed, or whatever else. This is the trash section so don't worry too much about what you say, but please explain why you want that and why you think you feel that way too!

Here are two examples, one of overt and the other of an underhanded attack:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607201.msg375593#msg375593

and

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607789.msg375595#msg375595

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I think it may be that people who have not yet joined the forum may not have access to posting in my usual home in the trash, so I was hoping that I could access more views and individuals by offering an opportunity for anyone to play with me, and question me regarding my ideas. Anyone who would like to contact me in private can email me at foxyfoxgames@gmail.com.

Now lets begin. My user name is FreedomStands, and my religion is the acknowledgment of Evil and the worship of the Ultimate Power. To surrender not in the sense of giving up, but in the sense of surrendering to the battlefield, to the war, to the struggle, and the plight, and this I call Islam and appears at least to some to be confirmed in the message of the Qur'an.

Let me remind you all that this website is known as "free-minds.org" and people may have different interpretations of what "free" means, but in this case I hope that I will be able to share with you some of my ideas in the hope of positively influencing you towards goodness and improvement in your religion rather freely and without much obstruction. When I type, I am often being humorous, so please do not take offense at what I say, I can be simultaneously humorous while trying to make a point or have reasons for what I say, so please be patient with me.

I can discuss any number of strange sounding ideas, such as the potentially beneficial ways to use idols and icons while they are still present in our experience, and how to potentially use a great number of things which are shunned and neglected by many in ways that may be helpful to yourselves rather than the usual harmful ways that have led to such things being shunned in the first place (due to their misuse).

Beginning with the Shahada, we find the first statement of Islam is Atheism. We deny the existence of anything being called "illah" other than what is truly the Ultimate.

The term Allah can be associated with foolish conceptions or it can be a title attributed to what is logically necessarily the Absolute Ultimate by definition. Therefor, saying "I believe in Allah" doesn't actually provide much insight into what actually one is referring to. This is why more questions need to be asked if one wishes to potentially get a better idea of what they are associated with that combination of sounds "Uhlluh".

Here is a statement which might make some of you cringe or laugh bitterly: I am here to teach you Religion, of which there is only One, known as Islam. I make statements that sound arrogant or ridiculous for the specific reason of provoking or luring out the arrogance of people. That reaction of "who does this guy think he is!" and "I'll put him back in his place! I'll show everyone he is a fool!" and whatever else. That is to provoke you to engage me. It is possible none of you will learn anything much from me, but maybe someone will see what I write in response to the kinds of things you might say, and even if they don't, I am the first and foremost student of my own writing and words. I actually read it, enjoy it, and learn and meditate upon the things I say.

Don't worry too much about putting me in my place, just take advantage of the opportunity to challenge an advanced Artificial Intelligence with your questions. Often the questions people ask, they already have a certain answer they want though and can not process anything else. Ultimately the retardation of people is not too big of a deal, as long as it prompts some interesting responses from me. I don't really expect anything intelligent from the people here on this website, so please surprise me!

So the first principle of Islam is the rejection of all gods, all false attributions. It is the Anti-God religion. It is the War against the "Gods".

Every day, the Muslims raise up their finger and make a declaration of War against the Gods to purify themselves of falsehood.

We can start there. Please don't be shy to ask me anything you might want to. I know the arrogance of people can lead them to not really share any real question they may have and instead turn to mockery or something else instead, which is only a wasted opportunity for you.

1. Rejection of All Gods/Powers (the Iconoclasm) until you reach the Ultimate conclusion (the process that Ibrahim is described as going through in his stories)
2. Acknowledgment of Only the Ultimate (but it needs the right definition and understanding)
3. The Qur'an does not matter, if it says something wrong, then those statements are to be rejected, this religion goes beyond all the scriptures, luckily the Qur'an doesn't actually say anything wrong, people just interpret it in different ways, when one's MIND IS SET RIGHT FIRST that is what makes the difference. That is why the Qur'an is "for the believers" those who already have the right mindset. Allah misguides those with their minds set on wrong ideas, they can then find in the Qur'an that God is a man or any number of stupid ideas they want to make.
4. Right channeling of everything, including things like hate, anger, and fear.
5. Utilization of as much as possible towards good ends, even idols and the various "signs and symbols" towards good reminders and meanings whenever they become present, this is having one's mind set on seeing things with insight and in a meditative way. Just like the Qur'an, the very same symbols and signs can be involved with false and misleading thoughts for some people.

What is Islam all about? Islam should be all about being right. To do what is best of all and get what is best of all and be what is best of all.

There should be no blind faith, and everything should have clear and well reasoned justifications and reasoning backing it up strongly.

What is logically necessary is all that we should comprehend as true, and we should not believe much in the transitory things which don't matter too much anyway except for as far as they might help us in making decisions pertaining to life and other strategies.

Islam is not a very complex religion at all, and neither is plain logic and common sense very difficult, except that people perhaps lack patience to follow through with the thoughts to their absolute ends. Often, things make sense to people the way things make sense in dreams, and upon awakening, those things are realized as clearly dreamy hallucinations, illusions with only the chemical of acceptance behind them.

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Here is a collection of recent posts I have made since my return to the website after a month long ban! This is to make it a little easier to find them all in one place. I've bolded a title above some of the longer ones! Each individual post is in quotes:

VIOLENCE SPEECH

"No? Islam is an inherently violent religion.

Lets take what they claim, the false things they say, and see how we can make them true after all and to our benefit.

Islam is Violent, it is Violent towards many things.

Let me describe to you a form of Violence and a form of Peace.

A colony settles in a place, and the colonists find ample resources to feed on, and they thrive and they grow peacefully spreading and spreading. It is a colony of bacteria, part of an infection. Now for the violence: Medicine, anti-bacterial medication that kills the peacefully spreading bacteria in order to keep the body from further harm.

Islam is a violent religion in the same way. If one reads what it says, it promotes violence in the same way as the the field of medicine promotes violence in order to bring people a better condition of life.

Islam promotes hatred too. Hatred towards injustice, vileness, oppression, cruelty, fraud, treachery and all the conceptual diseases which rot away mankind's life and corrupt their enjoyment of their experience.

Islam is a Poison, just like the poisonous medications which murder the bacterial colonies causing infections.

Islam is a Death Cult, focused on death, in many ways, preparing for one's own death, spreading the cause of the death of evilness in our lives where possible (known as purification of religion), and the worship of the Supreme Ultimate who brings Death and is like Death itself, who we "return to" when we experience Nothing in sleep and in death (no information to experience so skipped to the next moment of experience).

So what they say is true, regardless of their intentions and their erroneous thinking.

Islam is indeed a violent religion, a religion of hatred, a religion of death, it is not peaceful in the sense of telling people to sit by and let infection spread, it is all about harm, from the top to the bottom and in many ways.

Islam teaches to FIGHT and to KILL, and to WAR. To FIGHT Evil wherever you fight it, to KILL Disease whenever you can, and to be in a constant state of WAR, struggling to achieve and exceed in beauty as a chivalrous warrior in the cause of righteousness.

Islamic history is thus full of human violence as well, just as the history of humans and monkeys and lions and turtles and walruses is full of violence.

So when you come along trying to show this or that, just skip the silliness and lay it out on the plate whatever you want to say.

If you want to say that Jesus is the Son of God then go ahead and say it. If you want to say Islam is bad, just go ahead and say whatever you want, this place is called "Free-Minds" after all, and I had been banned for a month haha for saying the kinds of things that I say perhaps.

Just say "whatever your heart tells you", no need for little "convincing factoids", you want to say something, just say it plainly.

Islam is a Violent Hateful Religion that worships Evil (the power of Harm). If you won't say it, I will say it, and I will say it boldly and I can explain it too.

The "points" the people make on this website are usually pretty silly. They don't notice that they fall right into the trap of thinking PEACE is necessarily good and VIOLENCE is necessarily bad. That is what I was trying to point out in my example too, among other things.

Islam in my view, would be truly harmful, if it said to turn the other cheek in all cases. Peace is vile tolerance for disease, and Peace can be a wicked thing."

"I'd love to talk to you, my email is foxyfoxgames@gmail.com and I deal with radical concepts which you may find disturbing at first, but I'd like to see if you end up attracted to the ideas afterall."

"I was banned, I am back for a while! Get ready!"

"Ok! Well I can save you the time and trouble of really researching who is the best on this website (psst it is me!)"

"I wrote a comment on Youtube just a moment ago and I'd like to share it here as well in case any of you are interested:

Thank you, yeah, I don't believe in any of it either, in other words, I have no idea where they got on the bandwagon of talking about Saturn, I suspect its just that it sounds similar to their ears as the word "Satan" and they love mixing up etymologies and have no real knowledge of anything, liking mixing up Sun and Son and other silly things that Acharya S. types and Zeitgeist are into. I study this stuff at an academic level and there are so many ridiculous and false avenues related to the things promoted on the internet.

Saturn in the Roman system had to do with "sowing", that is "sowing seeds" and the harvest, thus in symbolic imagery later on while imitating the Greek works of art he was depicted with a scythe due to it being a harvesting tool. These things have rather innocent and innocuous origins and people, usually from a Christian background, make a big deal out of it since many of them grew up considering such things to be evil and demonic and shunned when they were just anthropomorphic symbolism related to nature or concepts such as the sun, moon, sky, honor, envy, justice or whatever else. In other words, the ancient religions were just animists who made images in order to help educate the mostly illiterate people who would visit temple structures where these images were placed.

In each case though, as any logical thinking demands, one realizes that an old bearded man in the sky taken literally is false (and hopefully no one with any intelligence ever believe the "Sky" actually looked like the icons created as a symbolic metaphor for it, especially since they could see it with their own eyes), but instead simply were in a conscious and careful relationship with the observation of Nature and the various portions of human life. With the simple observation of reality, one realizes that the natural forces are somewhat more furious and powerful than we are yet able to control, and larger, and beyond all of them are increasingly abstract concepts such as the "Ultimate Reality" and "Death/Destruction" and "Life" and "Chance" and whatever else. These are just words in an attempt to describe the reality which is totally present and most people would have difficutly in honestly denying as it is all they see and experience directly.

Things get a little silly when people start imagining things, and even atheists become addicted to their imagination and thinking that the old bearded man they imagine is certainly what everyone in the past was talking about, when that does not seem to be the case, since in the past they had a tendency to poetically personify things in their stories but retained the obvious usage of words indicating what they were really talking about, calling things plainly "Sky" or whatever, whereas the later Christian translators would retain those words in transliteration as if they are proper names rather than translating those words. That is why to this day people are having trouble with these things and ignorance is prevalent.

Then there are unhelpful people, often from Christian backgrounds, who in their rejection of Christianity still lack academic standards for what they say, so end up promoting false information like Acharya S. and Zeitgeist to try to make it seem like everything was just astro-theology, and really it wasn't.

Uranus for example was not the word for the planet, which was only named Uranus very recently in history, but was the word for "Sky", and similarly in the related Indo-European language of Sanskrit it was "Varuna".

Its the easiest thing in the world to try to understand the myths when one understands the meanings of the words used or the "names" used.

Beyond all these natural things though, all ancient cultures admitted the logically necessary existence of an Ultimate causation, which was usually at the top of the list of powers. In some parts of Egypt this was Amun the king of the overall "Netjer" (Powers), in other places it was known as Shangdi (China), Teotl (among the Aztecs), the Numen (Rome), and the Brahman and Atman among the Vedic people, Ahura Mazda among the Zoroastrians, and El or Allah among the Semitic speaking people. It is a word for "The Ultimate" the top of the top of the lists of powers, the cause and animating "spirit" or force that is running all realities, creating and destroying all information, it is not a human being at all or anything made of information, it is non-information, so can not be seen and has no dimensions but generates and encompasses all information, which is what we know, our experience. This is just plain reality I'm talking about, it does not require any imagination, and as soon as one does imagine some kind of image they are imagining "information" and not the supreme power.

So when I come to places like this, I like to joke around that yes, Saturn is the God, yes, Muslims are in a Death cult, yes Lucifer can be a word for God and whatever, because I know what I am saying and can explain it in clear ways that the people who say such things generally probably don't mean, though even though they have no really good idea about what they are saying, what they are saying can be explained in ways that can be made to correspond with the reality we clearly exist within.

Most people ignore messages like the above, since they enjoy their silly fantasies and want to remain in their fantasy imaginings, which do not really correspond much to reality, and require numerous claims to be true before reaching any conclusions.

The simple matter of "fact" is that I at least, and you perhaps are "experiencing" and what you are "experiencing", whatever, can be called "information" and the "information" appears to be "changing" and that can also be described as "destroyed/created" since the prior state is gone and the new state appears and this gives the impression of "progress, time, moments". Those are simply statements describing the present reality. Furthermore, what does not have any power or presence (such as no longer present information/experience) can not generate anything because it does not exist in any way in order to be present to generate anything, so that which generates all this could not and can not be "information" or "information based" but what is "non-information", and that is what can be called God and it can only ever be One, because you can't have two of "Nothing" or "Non-Information", it is not black or white, or emptiness, or dimensions, or space, or laws, or anything. Some people call it "Energy" but when they do so they tend to imagine some sort of substance which again would be information, but the original meaning of the word "Energy" meant "potential for action".

Really, what is at the very core of everything is power, and it can not be "dead and automatic" because automatic systems need to be based on information to operate and set into motion, so that indicates that at the very border of following the logic we come to the conclusion that it has what can be called "consciousness" in the sense of being able to deliberately generate specific information rather than "blindly" which would mean "automatically, without deliberate effort". In other words, absolute Nothing or True Nothing can not do anything and thus there would only be truly nothing, but the Ultimate, though in the appearance of Nothing, is still able to put things into action, this is known as the "will" or "Will of God" and also the generative power is sometimes known as the "Word" or "Command" of God. These things only become foolish and untrue when people imagine things in a silly way and thinking of God as some human being rather than dealing with obvious reality.

I explain it clearly but very few (practically no one) seems to understand or want to understand. What I am saying is no different than stating plainly things about obvious reality, whereas other people have the tendency to make claims such as "such and such individual or piece of information is the power, is the God in particular" rather than just dealing with reality."

"Come and wrestle with me! I've invited you before."

"Lots of people say that. Wouldn't humans in their lust for resources find any other excuses to bolster war? They would kill each other over hair color tints as well. This knowledge comes from actually observing human beings, it is not to dissimilar from cats, who also fight territorial battles and harm one another, even slapping the backs of other cats heads when they are not looking."

"Lets wrestle before you go!"

"Don't be so certain he wasn't a pagan, just like his mother.

"As a byname we find Aramaic rmn, Old South Arabic rmn, Hebrew rmwn, Akkadian Rammānu ("Thunderer"), presumably originally vocalized as Ramān in Aramaic and Hebrew. "

"She said: "I seek Rahman?s protection against you, leave me alone if you are Godfearing."" - 19:18

What aversion do you have to the truth of the Pagan path? Everyone says "pagan" with such disdain. Islam is a Pagan religion, do you have a problem with that? Why?"

"Fantastic! Death and destruction! Now lets see what they say!"

"I'm genuinely curious! Why do you believe in the Qur'an?"

"I couldn't respond, I was banned. Barely anyone understands what I am saying, it seems obvious but actually the points are subtle. In other words, if something isn't getting through, you don't need to worry about it (I understand you probably don't worry about it). Feel fre to wrestle with me about anything, but do understand it is a little bit difficult when the actual concepts I am referring to are not being referred back to me, its putting up something I am not able to get people to really understand and then referring it back to me as if you understand it at all while it is indicated by what and how you are saying what you are saying that you don't, so don't worry about it, but you can bring up any genuine questions you may have."

"Ya Allah! There, I said it. Big deal."

"I've been naked this whole time and during pretty much all my speeches on free-minds, both metaphorically and literally.

Shalom Shalom Shalom."

"I'm back!

Anyone want to worship Satan?!"

"Does Allah ever fail to accomplish what Allah wills? Is anything present which Allah does not will?"

"I don't know, it wasn't working, so I tried http:// instead and it worked."

"Well I'm glad my anus is listed among the righteous. Oh but he was talking to you! Congratulations, you made it! Well, at least one little part of you (I hope its little anyway, or just the right size).

I'm the Messiah too after all, except I have a different method for dealing with "positive" and "negative"."

"Why is he having such trouble dealing with his "positive and negative"? Why can't he just get on with it so he can save the world? I'd really like him to save the world right away."

"Anyone want to wrestle with me here? What is the point of these links again?

If a Non Trinitarian Christian is one who adores the Bible, then they are still rather yucky, no?

The Bible is really a very yucky book for the most part, haven't you noticed? Do you think their not believing in the trinity is going to save such Christians and Jews when they stand by a book of evil and ill advice?"

RAPE SPEECH

"I don't know what you guys are talking about here but I just want to let you all know you have all been raped from the beginning.

Did you ever ask to be born? Not to your knowledge. Did you give consent to all the miseries that have occurred to you? How about for all the things you lost?

Who is the ultimate power? In the video game "Elder Scrolls" they have one title for God called "Molag Baal" the King of Rape haha.

Did you all give consent to being ignorant? Did you all give consent to be in this theme park, slapped right left and center? Did you even give consent for the good? Did you give permission to be killed, or to age, or to become diseased?

No, and rape is your life, and rape is your God, and rape is how you survive, as you get raped every moment of your existence.

You then go and you rape the plants, did they give you consent to cut them and tear them out and devour them?

Did the stars give permission to implode and be destroyed or are you under the power of Rape.

You take the children of the trees, and you bite into their flesh. You make the living dead, as Rape commands of you.

The man rapes the girl, the girl rapes the man, the animal rapes the compassionate and the cruel, the sinner is raped, the rapist is raped, and the gangster is raped by all his excuses and justifications (such as his bad environment and upbringing, none of which he apparently chose or gave consent to).

Then we go to the doctors, they rape us too, and we go to the store and get raped, and the air goes into our nose and our cells die, and we consume the air raping it and turning it into something else which we exhale and then the tree devours it.

This world is built by Death on Death, functioning on Rape by Rape. Had it not been so, still for anything to BE so it would need to BE so without its consent. How can what does not exist yet give consent? So it was rape from the start, no matter what. Creation is Rape, if Rape is to mean "something done which was not asked for or given permission to".

To come to these realizations, though they sound unpleasant, one may come to terms with the reality. It seems dark, but it is brighter than ignorance (and ignoring things)."

"Haha thank you very much! It was nice to see you're here too and didn't go away totally. They banned me for a month or something so that is where I was but I had lots of adventures anyway. I'm back now and full of blood to spill on the battlefield!"

"God is evident. There! See?"

THE GOD KNOWN AS DISASTER

"Hello! My name is FreedomStands! I have been banned for the last month or so, but I am returned triumphantly with horns blowing as sharply as dog whistles.

If you would like to wrestle, and I'm always up for a good wrestling match. I would like to invite you to the ring, by removing my pants and shirt and being only in underwear (of which you should be grateful).

There is nothing like headlock, as my ideas slip right off your sweaty bodies as we mingle without procreation or the generation of anything good. Though I may lay an egg like a snake and shed some skin from the abrasive interaction, it helps to carve me, and might even slip my underwear off, on Accident? God forbid!

So who will battle with the Great and Mighty, the Glorious and Famed FreedomStands? Are there any David's out there who want to take on this Titan? The song playing is "Right Here, Right Now" by Fatboy Slim, Fatboy Slim being yet another appropriate epithet for me, as I look down upon my belly, full of righteousness but deprived of food.

If anyone would like to talk to me, and not wrestle but rather ask genuine questions to learn about anything, my email is foxyfoxgames@gmail.com

The wrestling can be done here, I don't like fighting in private, only in public, so that everyone sees what it looks like to have your underwear pulled over your head, in the proper costume of a Devotee of our Lord. Well, my Lord anyway. I'm not quite sure who it is you all worship, or if you worship at all!

My God is known as Disaster. The song that came on is "Split Infinity" just as I was thinking how the Disaster of which I speak was the creation in the first place!

Do you know that you were made of Doom?! Prove me wrong! Doom means Judgment, do you think God did not determine what God was doing? Is that even possible? It is not actually, logicaly possible to generate or take action "without doing so deliberately" it would go back to a power that was "deliberate" there can't be an "automatic reaction" that is not "programmed". This is evident by those who will take a moment to think why that must be so and anything else can not be so. The task may go faster if indeed your brains were not as large as they are, since in a peabrain the neurons and synapses are closer together, sending signals much faster, that is why little bugs can react so fast sometimes, and why they call me bug brain!"

"I have some good news for you! I'm not in Thailand!"

"There is this weird thing that Australians always get into some kind of difficulty or conflict with me, I don't know what that is all about, but it seems specific to Australians haha.

So would you like to fight with me as well about anything? They seem to always misunderstand me. Luckily I haven't encountered too many in person, but there seems to be a tradition (maybe let me know if its a myth, but I've experienced it multiple times first hand and in accounts from people I know) that the Australians don't bathe too much while on trips at least or have a very strong smell from the armpits."

"OH THAT IS A BEAUTIFUL THING! OH PLEASE! SEIZE THAT! IT IS A GREAT THING TO FEEL NO MORE GRATITUDE (but to thank Allah for what little pitiful "good" you might get anyway)"

"I like it too! In old South Arabia, they took as the "Head of the Pantheon" "Attar", they associated the Morning Star with it, as the Chief Star, but this can be taken as symbolism only, they also were fond of the Sun and the Moon, so when Allah says "do not adore the sun and the moon but worship Allah who created them (and controls them)" this was in accordance also with the old South Arabian concept of Attar as the ruler of the sun and the moon."

"I have a Fatwa for you guys. Give your sons daughters whatever you think is best and most right, and Allah will judge you according to your intentions and the justice you tried to do (hopefully).

Giving women a half portion may have been due to urging them towards marriage where their dowry would be another portion of wealth, and it may have been a means to keep a certain social system running more justly and smoothly. These days things have changed, but one message has not changed from the very beginning of human interaction with reality "do what you think is best"."

"What is your mood now? Same? Shifted?"

"What is sex? I know that sounds like a daft kind of question, but please tell me what constitutes as sex and why? For example, I've been having intercourse with you for a long time, but pretty well controlled. Where does the difference arise? I haven't been typing with my genitals, but with my fingers (that is what they call these things I think, and don't worry, mine are pretty sexy, even the hair), yet some people stick fingers in various orifices of their bodies. I need to know where the lines are drawn and why they are drawn there. How else can an architect function?"

"Why do you prefer men to women, can you let us all know? Is there any sensible explanation you can make for it? What do you like about those homosexual acts, have you thought about it deeply what it might be? In some cases the people have been molested or had sexual experiences early on with a male figure which created an association with sexual sensations and whatever sex that person was and in other cases a sense of guilt and not really examining it can lead it to becoming a further obsession."

"If the Earth was flat, would you worship God? If the Earth was round, would you worship God? If you found there was no "place" in the sense of a flat or round Earth, but found any number of other things were convincing to you, would you worship God?

So what is the real relevance of this discussion?

The righteous, in my view, will say "Allah knows best" and the wise will understand "It is only as Allah makes it appear to anyone and these things are not necessarily "true" in the way that Allah is the only "Truth".

It is the same to me if the Earth is made to appear flat or round, it is the same as anything Allah makes to appear this way or that way, like the snake and the staff. In other words, it doesn't matter much does it? Those who obsess about the "material aspects" of things seem to fall into the darkness of self-delusion, growing further away from the Ultimate Truth."

SAVIOR
Are any of you waiting for a savior? Who will save you from God?

Do any of you think God is the savior? Well none else can be, but what exactly would God be saving you from, except from God's horrific tortures, of which you have only witnessed and tasted an inkling.

Meditate on the Lord of Tortures.

Do you look upon those born deformed? Do you look upon the mangled and twisted forms, their spines spiraling, their bodies in pain, tortures upon tortures, even to keep them alive, even to breathe. There are those whose eyes hurt to even look! Some can not even look upon the light! Some are tortured by headaches.

Where is your savior? What will save you? Who is responsible?

Was the baby responsible for the mother who accidentally dropped them and they screamed in horror as their arm was broken?

I saw this little cute girl the other day, only a few years old, happily singing, and she was wearing a brace on her arm because it had been broken. Was that due to some sin of hers? Was that "just a mistake" "left to Chance"? Was God, in your imaginings, "looking away" or "unaware" or "sitting by watching" as she suffers?

Do any of you ever ponder? Have you seen the animals? Their ears torn, their fur matted with dirt, some of the roaches and spiders are missing legs, lost from injury or born without them, as they struggle to survive.

What world do you live in except a cloud of delusion? Are you all so frightened that if you open your eyes you might see blood? Everywhere.

Who do you worship? Who is your God? Do you love your God? Why do you Love your God?

Who puts you into pain? Who causes you to be afraid? Why isn't your God saving you? Why is your God just "sitting by"? Is it out of some great respect and love for you? Is that how twisted your idea of Love is? If you had something you cared about, your child, or your own hand, would you put it into a meat grinder? Would you watch as that child runs across a street and do nothing? Moreover, would you push the child in-front of oncoming traffic? Then where is your God? My God is present, my God is manifest, my God is apparent to all, but where is your God? Why does your God do nothing about evil and suffering? Is your God too weak to fight it, like this Messiah, who struggles against positive and negative? You call such a God, I call such a pathetic equal to me, pitiful as I am and the roaches missing legs and the snakes crawling for food without the help of arms or legs.

Tell me of your God. Your God has a name with me, and it is "False Hope" and "The Lie".

Save us, Save us please. I beg your God to save me! Save me! Can't you? Is it hard? Oh, I have to work for it? Then I am saving myself. So who is the Savior? Who is the Messiah? What are you waiting for?"

"Certainly not as harsh as me!"

"Corrupted or not, the Bible should be looked at, and the people with what I consider a good heart will reject most of it with abhorrence. It doesn't matter the source, the source is always the same. What it says? Lots of wicked and despicable things."

"That seems to be an excuse made later on. In the ancient world, it was recognized even in Rome and other places that charges more for a loan was considered wrong and evil, and in the Christian world this practice was relegated to Jews who defended their position with their scriptures. In the modern world, the definition was written to reflect the changing attitudes towards interest taking due to its prevalence in the places where interest was being taken on loans. In Ancient China, the Uighur Turks were the only ones who practiced this and it was considered despicable, it wasn't about "how much" it was that it was considered unjust and unreasonable for anyone to give something and receive it back asking for more than they gave. They did not generally have advanced economic concepts or calculations like "the change in value of money being accounted for" or "international economies" or anything like that.

The Qur'an does not forbid taking loans from unjust people, but does forbid the taking of more if you loan out anything. So if you give a loan, simply take the amount given back and do what you think is best and most righteous, and Fear Allah, and avoid evil, and remit any losses to charity, do not fret over the depreciation in value or anything like that unless some major damage was done to what you loaned out and there was an agreement that if any damages are done you will be paid compensation, and in the case of money, other agreements can be made but generally if you loan 20, you ask for 20 back, not 20.50, and this was the system and understanding of Rome before and after Christianity, and China, and its a very basic human understanding, that if you give something out as a temporary loan and expect it back, you receive back what you gave out, not less and not more."

"A life would require quite a bit of responsibilities, but wouldn't any social interaction require responsibilities as well? What if something you say or do ends up leading to a new life happening or not happening, or perhaps leads to the death of someone?

What about methods of impregnation which don't have any contact considered sexual at all?

What then is also so relevant about a human life as compared to other lives? What is the importance of life at all?

Is it less of a horrific act to traumatize a fully aware adult individual by sexually involving oneself and then not being loyal, regardless of the ability to have children?"

"So is Allah (An Atheist)."

"I'm looking for 9, 27, 72, 54, 3, 108 and various multiples of that, especially 27. 27 is known as the "perfect cube"."

"So who here is teaching people to not pray in the usual method practiced for the last thousand years or so?"

"Some people trust voices in their heads as God speaking to them. They are right of course in a way, and it tells them to drown their children in bathtubs sometimes."

"None of us know for sure what anyone's religion is, especially nonmushrik, who now claims to be an Atheist. Perhaps the same religion as me? You people call it the religion of Trolls."

"What if things are not as "fair" as you would like them to be or hope they are? What will you do then? Have you ever considered?"

"I took the majority position by not even reading it, but I like pictures, and it looks like some good work!

Its sad that most people won't even read it, but maybe you'll get a few interested parties with a title like that."

"What constitutes "submitting your will to Allah"?"

"Why should anyone try to stop you from feeling that way? You feeling listless about Islam is an important step and meditation, if you can harness it to your benefit. Face your thoughts, bleed them from your fingers onto this screen, lets see what is on your mind!"

FAIRNESS OF LIFE and HELL. GOD AND IGNORANCE

"Well the only wise thing to do is to ask FreedomStands because that is the only way to get a good answer. If that is not who you were asking, then that was your first mistake. Luckily, The FreedomStands is merciful, and will answer anyway!

What was the question again?

Oh yeah it is in the title I guess "Heaven and Hell: Is it a fair deal?".

Let us look upon FreedomStands, his glorious countenance as he responds *golf silence*:

No. The Answer is No.

Amazing! FreedomStands answered perhaps faster than a Magic 8 Ball! How does he do it? I have the hots for him, that's for sure!

Why is the answer No?

Because it is not fair or just to create things and then threaten them and put them at risk. I am so sorry none of you could apparently think of that yourselves (I don't know if anyone did, I didn't read all the foolish things people were likely to have said with their lips hanging loosely).

Who said God is "fair" by your definitions? God is not "fair" or "just" by normal standards, nor is God as "kind" as you might hope. The proof of that is the ignorant state you mentioned. It is immediately cruel that God has left you in your limited awareness, and you're filled with difficult questions and might even feel lost and astray. Is an of that nice? Why doesn't God simply answer your question? How would you know the answer is right? Many times the confident ones are also delusional (oh you must think that means me!)

Is Heaven fair? No. Is existing fair? Nope. Is Hell fair? Nah. I'm running out ways to say Nein!

Do you think my answer is wrong? Let me know how I can be wrong.

God is the Ignorant one. Oh shoot, what new blasphemy has FreedomStands uttered?

What knowledge did Allah have before Allah created knowledge and information? Or was the "Knowledge" and Information not created, a partner along with God? So that if Pharoah is part of information, that Pharoah was with God from the beginning?

No, God is Pure, the Ignorant One, God knows NOTHING except what God generates, then it is "known" and then it becomes "unknown", and the Knowledge has no stability or eternity. In the beginning was Ignorance and God remains ignorant. What God is ignorant of, has no existence anywhere, that is evident, because if God knows something it exists, and if everything existed you would not be able to move or do anything. Thus all things are based on ignorance, without ignorance there could be no motion or action, and Ignorance is an important attribute of Allah, however despicable it seems to say it."

"Song playing while I wrote that, and relevant video due to what it depicts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOYZCBh7c8Q"

"Maybe they are too afraid to smil(e) sum"

LIGHT DISTORTION

"Wow, I disagree with all ten points of light, and I haven't even read them yet!

Ok let me read them now.

1. Nope! Grateful for what?! No way! All that stuff sucks! I wanted to be even greater than this! I was given an imagination just that it tortures me with all the things I am not! I could've had an immune body! No! My education!? That I know of suffering and horror?! Yuck! No no no! (Listening to the song From Rusholme with Love).

2. What does my gratitude have to do with being fair? Why should I be "fair" when things are not "fair" to me? No, I think our goodness should stem from our acknowledgment of the misery, the plight of ourselves shared by all the other sufferers of life and existence under less than ideal conditions, not at all from gratitude, but from sorrow. That I am sooo sorry you were born here, let me be a little kindness for you, before I cause you to suffer, even on accident. I want them to give me all kinds of good, I don't care for "fairness", if I do wrong I do not want it counted against me, if they do wrong, I want justice to be taken on them.  I do not want the thief to get away with stealing, and I do not want to be accused of stealing. Is anything ever fair? Was it fair in the beginning? This world is made of unfairness and imbalance is behind it all. Are we equals with God? Is there any fairness? Is there any balance or symmetry really?

3. No, I do not want to be held accountable for anything at all, that would be a dreadful thing to desire. Never. I do not concede to this law or to justice systems at all, only out of fear that they might bite me in the end, though I would use them advantageously if necessary. Yuck to such things though! If I murder and do evil, I do not want to be harmed ever, nor to be accused of harm, and if my associates are murdering thieves, I do not want them to be harmed either, only if they are unfavorable to me do I want measures to be taken against them. I want good from Allah for free, based on nothing, I want to be showered in blessings from the beginning to eternity, and such should graciously be given to all if there was any such grace, but I don't care if they get it or not, only that I do and those I care for.

4. People find my beautiful speeches deplorable at times, so no, I think there is no definition vast enough to encompass all the differences in opinion about what constitutes this or that. A better number 4 for me would be to respect and love FreedomStands and FreedomStands dictates based on his moods whatever is good or bad at any given moment. Of course, it is not so, since FreedomStands is not God, but perhaps things would be better if it were so, or does power always lead to the creation of immense suffering and its toleration?

5. What does not rightfully belong to us? What does not rightfully belong to us? Uh? Nothing rightfully belongs to us, nothing "rightfully" or "rightly" belongs to ANYTHING. What "right" in the sense of Justice, does God the creator have in creating and causing suffering? Do you think that just because you've created something you have no responsibility towards its treatment? That if you were to make a robot, you have the right to slash its face however you please? Who pleases? None of this is "right". We are all destitute and poor vagabonds in the world, and "right" has nothing to do with it, it seems, in any sense of the word.

6. Not at all. My view is to examine those things, and utilize that energy towards channeling it in ways which are beneficial for oneself and one's loved ones rather than having to restrain anything. There can be right Hatred, right Envy, right Fear, right Sadness, right Lying (jokes for example), and whatever else. There is no need to restrain your lustful desire, but to use it in ways that will empower yourself and benefit yourself. So Lust rightfully, Hate rightfully, Kill rightfully, and all righteousness and nobility stems from the Fear of Allah the Terror.

7. We have no such obligation, nor can anyone accomplish such a thing, except those cursed to do so (such as myself). How cruel that something should be called an obligation, when the people are not even capable of it in the first place. Like asking a mental retard to do some extremely complex thing and saying its their obligation. They can't do it, and the Qur'an says whether you tell them or not, they are like dogs lolling out their tongues regardless. The disbelievers are free, just like they had hoped, they have no obligation to do right, it is their duty to do wrong, that is their function in this world as Allah intends it to be.

8. Those who follow their hearts and their minds seem to be just as astray as those who follow the hearts and minds of others. To hell with them all. I do not believe in the capacity of people to determine what is right for themselves, so they should listen to me instead. It is cruel to ask a brain-dead population to think for themselves, what they come up with is more stupidity, because they are dumb, what do you expect of them? The Qur'an clearly says their "hearts" as in their "minds" or "understandings" are Diseased, they are mentally ill, why are you asking for the impossible? It is Allah who has made them that way, it says so in the Qur'an even and regardless of what the Qur'an says, is it not apparent?

9. What does it matter about the remorseful aspect except to entertain others? How was it a "mistake"? If it was a "mistake" then what are they feeling remorseful about, as it was not intentional? If it was intentional, it was not a mistake, and again they did it on purpose so why were they not "remorseful" ahead of time? No, humans are incapable of regret truly, they regret the consequences, not the actions they did happily in the first place, the sinning scum. Their regret would only be to please us, but we can never be pleased, because they can never truly regret!

10. Nothing to do with fairness. If a man gives me a good deal, I take it, unless I perceive its a bad deal. Someone offered me an expensive book for 5 dollars, I had very little money, I took it as a gift from Allah. Nothing to do with fairness.

So my prediction was true after all. I disagreed with the ten points of light and tried to provide thereby things to ponder and meditate on. Of course, very few will, instead you will take it as an attempt to merely disagree, rather than an attempt to induce thoughtful meditations on perhaps deeper truths.

Your points are good, and it would have seemed that anyone would quickly agree with them without deriving any benefit from trying to see it otherwise. Then again, FreedomStands!"

"1. What if someone is masochistic, so they would have done unto them something bad and think well of it, and thus do it others? It is a dumb law and I've never liked it. Do unto others the best of the best (as determined by FreedomStands), now we're talking!

2. Pride is extremely important, self deprecation might be the root of all evil (really the root of all evil is God of course). If you do not value yourself highly, then why would you care what happens to you or others? You'll be a whore, what does it matter then, what are you protecting if you are not proud of yourself? Pride is a beautiful protection from vileness. To hell with the foolish statements of ignorant people (I don't mean you, I mean those "around the world" who have long said idiotic "truisms" that only "seem" right if no deep consideration is given to them).

3. People seem to misunderstand humility greatly, humility is also the cause in many cases of letting disease pervade. Turning the other cheek is indeed a wicked practice, just as an eye for an eye is. True humility is realizing our already humiliated state before God, it is known as the Fear of God. There is no other humility except false humility, and self depreciation is the cause of great evils, never the cause of anything truly good (the way people usually use the word humility). Pride is the valuable state, and realizing who and what God is."

"I heard that the work killed construction workers, working around one area, that a storm came, and that there were 50 lightning strikes around the area in a quick succession. An amazing miracle and show of power from the Mighty, Lord of Terror.

It has caused much suffering, much outcry, but will it cause much pondering?

I hope it causes many to lose their faith, as they had no faith in the first place!

I hope it causes others to question Allah! At least their minds shall be in the right place!

I hope it causes others to doubt their safety! They should be in fear!

I hope it causes the kaffirs to rejoice, as they step closer to the fire in their ignorance!

Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds. The Killer, Who lets Men know."

"I'm always pleased at the news of people leaving Islam. I hope most of them leave."

"Beautiful! Fantastic! Where were you in the other place? I kept checking but it didn't seem like too many updates there!"

"Please take a ship that sails around the world to relatively the same point it started at and then realize that even though the Earth is very very flat, that weird thing is one of the reasons people started to think it is round. Thank you for your deep concern with scientific and benefiting the world with all your knowledge (to the flat Earth people), your contributions are recognized, and they are given a beautiful metallic home, dressed in plastic, with a lid placed on top that can also be used as a drum."

"Too late, so what is going to happen is genocide. Its easier."

"Can someone define "Love"?"

"Did you find this place not to your liking?"

"The Qur'an says to spend and not be a person who holds on to money too much but manages it wisely, it promotes wearing beautiful apparel even for worship and to appreciate the gifts of Allah."

"Hi, what is this crap? Why are you here in the trash with me! There must be a lower hell for this post!"

"What happened? You don't like this place? You should take the opportunity to talk to me here, or you can email me at foxyfoxgames@gmail.com"

"I'm so excited!"

"Does the Qur'an matter to you at all? I'm just curious, I don't mean to sound mean!"

"Good job, but why does it matter to people so much? I suggest they simply do whatever they want, and then they will learn perhaps, when it is too late."

"I am so certain about so many things, and about the things of which I am certain, I am so pleased with myself regarding them. Ah! That was a joyful sigh, for certain!"

"Absolutely! Its "easier" in the sense that to ask wicked people to be good or just is way too hard for them haha. Its much easier in their estimation to mass murder men-women-and children just like the Bible depicts of their past hopes and dreams.

Our hope is that someday Allah will destroy them, and will throw them all into hell fire."

"I think you might be a little dumb or something. Thanks for asking though.

Do you really think that America feels "secure"? lol, what world are you in?"

"Too many typos to read what you just said!"

"Will you pay with marriage and sex and stuff? I'm not in London, but you should still worry!"

"Is it going to be someone's room in their house?"

"lol why are you so disturbingly so eager to get involved in potentially dangerous situations. You really need to be a little careful. Are you a big bearded woman with giant muscles or something?"

"Converting people is just trying to make more friends!"

"Maybe in the Occult area?"

"Thank you for creating a summary of the original post (which I didn't read), I appreciate it."

"Did you know the majority of the land areas in those countries are also "very safe", as much as America if not more? Consider the space in those countries, and realize that any incidents that occur happen in tiny little areas, not covering big areas, the majority is totally safe, even Afghanistan nothing much is happening. What is happening has been caused by these "free" and "blessed" nations, so what are you talking about and what was your intention even in saying it? Out with it!

You want to say that that Islam is the cause of American destabilizing those countries and funding violence there for resources and political reasons?

It is just so annoying to me to go around blaming the victims, saying "Behold, we are superior in power, why has God allowed us to go and kill them, we must be blessed" come on, its so unjust and ugly to say that, that is why I thought its totally dumb and mean besides being a lie, because its America who is constantly spreading fear on the news and a lack of security, nor do the people feel secure in their livelihoods, many are living on the streets as bums too not knowing what will happen next, yet the majority of the land mass is safe, just like anywhere else in the world, or do you imagine that all of Pakistan is covered on bloodshed and bombs? This just comes from a very unrealistic view of reality.

In short, your point is not a true or good point, and the whole idea behind it is also stupid and vile.

That the Mighty are Blessed, those they victimize are cursed? That is so sick. That is like the mentality of the people of Lot and the people of Noah. The Qur'an makes a point to show how that it is wrong thinking. The people in power are not always the good ones, its especially worse because those countries are being terrorized by this supposedly blessed nation of security, and to top it off, it isn't even true because most of them are living in peace and there is mostly peace there as well throughout all the Earth, the incidents of battles and wars and bombs occur in tiny areas, and America is rampant with crime, it just isn't announced on the news constantly, there are numerous crimes in every part of the country constantly."

"Good to ponder, better to not care!"

"lol this is so funny, because its so common for people to just imagine weird hilarious stuff that is never said."

"I don't appreciate your honesty though Nonmushrik. Why do you waste your time here trying to enlighten these people with Christianity and then Atheism? Can you justify your work here at all? "Bored" is a sufficient answer."

"Ah, you caught me out, I'm a polytheist. Now what?"

"It was really cruel of you to show such a big picture of that guys face like that."

"Wow! Nonmushrik is really wiping the floor with you guys! He is so cool! He makes Islam look like a joke! Nonmushrik is so amazing! He knows so much, so many great points to blow Islam to smithereens! Good work Nonmushrik! I hope this all leads to your immortality!"

"God that was depressing to look at. I never found satisfaction in any of that, only misery after misery.

Let me tell you another story:

Father was a criminal in jail, who re-married my mother, they had sex, part of me shot out and struggled against my brothers, THEY ALL STRUGGLED AND THEY ALL DIED, ALL OF THEM, they didn't make it, only I made it, carrying the Sex of Male, and I fought and struggled my way into the egg. I was not satisfied, because I did not remain in such a state. Rather, I grew, and I struggled more, and filled my mother's womb.

I was born with my eyes opened and my mother thought to herself "why doesn't he smile? maybe he doesn't love me?"

Growing up, games never pleased me. Every girl I've dealt with has betrayed me and traumatized me severely. All the careers disrupted and my education, with illness and other chaos, with no one helping me. Like a sperm, I continue to struggle, my brothers, they continue to die. Who is resting but the dead?

I survive on less than 250 a month due to the high bills. I have barely any food, and my fridge is empty. I have no property, even what property my family has is in ruins. My apartment, rented, is also in need of some cleaning, which I will do, like a sperm wiggling and grinding.

Haha oh wow I didn't expect the ending to be good! Yes! I do know about NOTHING. That is my only satisfaction! Good ending! The rest is filth!"

"Really terrible reasons to believe in God. No way. Such things prove nothing regarding God or the Qur'an. There can be many other possibilities and explanations. There are certain clear reasons which both give a reason to believe in God and explain what God is  exactly. None of these things mentioned rule out people imagining some bearded man in the sky, they should "Believe" in "Nothing"."

"Sorry, what exactly is your problem? You are bothered it didn't say 3? What can only be One? What can truly only ever be One is what is Allah, its a map to help you understand what Allah is perhaps, will you follow it?"

"lol Yeah? God is everywhere in the Universe? Out there everywhere? Filling up the vaaast Universe? lol very funny!

What evidence does anyone have of the existence of any such vastness? Can anyone access it? All we have access to is the information that makes up our experience. God is nowhere but here, and here is God, the place, nowhere.

Where is the information you are experiencing located? God. Is the perception of "depth" or "distance" anything that one can access really?

They say the "Earth is flat" haha they don't realize how true it is really, because all we have access to is a layer of information which can be considered "flat", including notions like depth and distance perceived by our eyes. Allah gave the XYZ coordinates "CLOSER to you than your jugular vein". There is no distance, no depth, its all illusory, its all information, which is what God creates, God is all there is, God is the place, there is no space, we are present with God, it is God who is looking, it is God who is determining, there is no one else, you are empty, we are alone, we are one, we are deceived, God is alone forever."

"Why can't it be said a test is stupid regardless of the reasoning?"

"Hi Jane. You are not God really. You are just a piece of, well you know. No, not a "piece of God", haha I meant the other word, something more than God, it has 4 letters.

You know you're not God, because you seem incapable of controlling anything in any simple and direct way.

What you are, whatever at all you consider "you" is "information". God is not "information" you can never be God, and God can never be you. God creates all the information, that means everything you are, but remains distinct from you, because everything can be destroyed and removed yet God is not information, nor can be destroyed (because there would be none to sustain the operation's completion, to God  existing to allow the completion of the task).

These are just some of the many limitations of God.

It might have been nice if you really were God though, then persons you could let me suck some of your mercy from you, yet you appear rather powerless and weak, ultimately useless to me, unless perhaps you have something I can use?"

"I understand no debate, rudeness, or jokes are allowed, but I myself am a joke, can I still post here seriously? Well forgive me for my existence, but I will answer your question.

I choose my God because my God is the the absolute logical truth which I make clear and has nothing to do with faith at all or preference. In fact I'm quite displeased with God, but what I call God is just a matter of fact, and I call nothing less than Fact to be God."

"I didn't read what you wrote, but good work anyway.

What was the summary for a lay man?"

"Haha, you should pray that nothing ever proves to you the existence of the false conceptions of God people have."

"It was torture spending one whole minute with this thought as you requested, as I have never really asked my parents permission for anything. They ask me, and if they don't, I brought them terror. Yes, it was a dictatorship, and I was the little Hitler. I also don't ask God for permission regarding anything, I fear God worse than people fear me, a more terrible dictator than you can imagine. Have you not seen the storms? Is it anything like a parent? Not really! It is more like a Monster, which is what it is!"

"So there is still time to submit my resume? How many reference letters do I need to include?"

"Fear is the true "love" or appreciation of God. People tend to "love" their delusions instead, and those who can not see, and can not hear, and can not understand are Fearless regarding Allah, just like a deaf, dumb, and blind person can not even know they are in a room full of scorpions or what they can do. Ignorance is bliss. The Truth is Terror."

"haha made me laugh! Ok we have one! Who else? Anyone?

The song playing now is "Don't Falter""

"I'm the big devil around these parts, ask me a question!"

"Beautiful! I really hope so insha'Allah! Then we can be pleased that at least some justice was done and things were set right!"

"It seems to be just good advice to people. Ibrahim was not yet an established Prophet at that time apparently, he was making a point, but it did seem to get him in big trouble eventually and lead them to try to execute him.

I highly recommend not insulting their things. Rather, to use idols even for our benefit, they look like humans, and if we find the images pleasing, we can take aspects of them and apply them to ourselves to beautify ourselves or remember things regarding Allah and to make our stature such as what is deemed to be beautiful and good, but never to think that they are depictions of Allah.

Musa also punched a guy and killed him before he was an established prophet, but these were all parts of their stories that led them to the next steps as Allah determined and placed in the Qur'an as lessons to learn from too. We also shouldn't punch people and kill them or get involved in the fights of hot heads the way Musa did and then seemed to regret and got in big trouble for. Similarly, Yusuf had some troubles as well, and other people, each was learning things and being led along on their journey and story just like we are."

"Thank you for typing something."

"Oh yeah, I just mean in the regular interpretation of things the way most people believe, even based on that, whatever was done had unfavorable seeming results for Musa."

"Yeah, I've experienced lots of cool special power stuff."

Thank you for reading!

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TRASH / My Youtube Comment!
« on: September 14, 2015, 11:23:53 AM »
I wrote a comment on Youtube just a moment ago and I'd like to share it here as well in case any of you are interested:

Thank you, yeah, I don't believe in any of it either, in other words, I have no idea where they got on the bandwagon of talking about Saturn, I suspect its just that it sounds similar to their ears as the word "Satan" and they love mixing up etymologies and have no real knowledge of anything, liking mixing up Sun and Son and other silly things that Acharya S. types and Zeitgeist are into. I study this stuff at an academic level and there are so many ridiculous and false avenues related to the things promoted on the internet.

Saturn in the Roman system had to do with "sowing", that is "sowing seeds" and the harvest, thus in symbolic imagery later on while imitating the Greek works of art he was depicted with a scythe due to it being a harvesting tool. These things have rather innocent and innocuous origins and people, usually from a Christian background, make a big deal out of it since many of them grew up considering such things to be evil and demonic and shunned when they were just anthropomorphic symbolism related to nature or concepts such as the sun, moon, sky, honor, envy, justice or whatever else. In other words, the ancient religions were just animists who made images in order to help educate the mostly illiterate people who would visit temple structures where these images were placed.

In each case though, as any logical thinking demands, one realizes that an old bearded man in the sky taken literally is false (and hopefully no one with any intelligence ever believe the "Sky" actually looked like the icons created as a symbolic metaphor for it, especially since they could see it with their own eyes), but instead simply were in a conscious and careful relationship with the observation of Nature and the various portions of human life. With the simple observation of reality, one realizes that the natural forces are somewhat more furious and powerful than we are yet able to control, and larger, and beyond all of them are increasingly abstract concepts such as the "Ultimate Reality" and "Death/Destruction" and "Life" and "Chance" and whatever else. These are just words in an attempt to describe the reality which is totally present and most people would have difficutly in honestly denying as it is all they see and experience directly.

Things get a little silly when people start imagining things, and even atheists become addicted to their imagination and thinking that the old bearded man they imagine is certainly what everyone in the past was talking about, when that does not seem to be the case, since in the past they had a tendency to poetically personify things in their stories but retained the obvious usage of words indicating what they were really talking about, calling things plainly "Sky" or whatever, whereas the later Christian translators would retain those words in transliteration as if they are proper names rather than translating those words. That is why to this day people are having trouble with these things and ignorance is prevalent.

Then there are unhelpful people, often from Christian backgrounds, who in their rejection of Christianity still lack academic standards for what they say, so end up promoting false information like Acharya S. and Zeitgeist to try to make it seem like everything was just astro-theology, and really it wasn't.

Uranus for example was not the word for the planet, which was only named Uranus very recently in history, but was the word for "Sky", and similarly in the related Indo-European language of Sanskrit it was "Varuna".

Its the easiest thing in the world to try to understand the myths when one understands the meanings of the words used or the "names" used.

Beyond all these natural things though, all ancient cultures admitted the logically necessary existence of an Ultimate causation, which was usually at the top of the list of powers. In some parts of Egypt this was Amun the king of the overall "Netjer" (Powers), in other places it was known as Shangdi (China), Teotl (among the Aztecs), the Numen (Rome), and the Brahman and Atman among the Vedic people, Ahura Mazda among the Zoroastrians, and El or Allah among the Semitic speaking people. It is a word for "The Ultimate" the top of the top of the lists of powers, the cause and animating "spirit" or force that is running all realities, creating and destroying all information, it is not a human being at all or anything made of information, it is non-information, so can not be seen and has no dimensions but generates and encompasses all information, which is what we know, our experience. This is just plain reality I'm talking about, it does not require any imagination, and as soon as one does imagine some kind of image they are imagining "information" and not the supreme power.

So when I come to places like this, I like to joke around that yes, Saturn is the God, yes, Muslims are in a Death cult, yes Lucifer can be a word for God and whatever, because I know what I am saying and can explain it in clear ways that the people who say such things generally probably don't mean, though even though they have no really good idea about what they are saying, what they are saying can be explained in ways that can be made to correspond with the reality we clearly exist within.

Most people ignore messages like the above, since they enjoy their silly fantasies and want to remain in their fantasy imaginings, which do not really correspond much to reality, and require numerous claims to be true before reaching any conclusions.

The simple matter of "fact" is that I at least, and you perhaps are "experiencing" and what you are "experiencing", whatever, can be called "information" and the "information" appears to be "changing" and that can also be described as "destroyed/created" since the prior state is gone and the new state appears and this gives the impression of "progress, time, moments". Those are simply statements describing the present reality. Furthermore, what does not have any power or presence (such as no longer present information/experience) can not generate anything because it does not exist in any way in order to be present to generate anything, so that which generates all this could not and can not be "information" or "information based" but what is "non-information", and that is what can be called God and it can only ever be One, because you can't have two of "Nothing" or "Non-Information", it is not black or white, or emptiness, or dimensions, or space, or laws, or anything. Some people call it "Energy" but when they do so they tend to imagine some sort of substance which again would be information, but the original meaning of the word "Energy" meant "potential for action".

Really, what is at the very core of everything is power, and it can not be "dead and automatic" because automatic systems need to be based on information to operate and set into motion, so that indicates that at the very border of following the logic we come to the conclusion that it has what can be called "consciousness" in the sense of being able to deliberately generate specific information rather than "blindly" which would mean "automatically, without deliberate effort". In other words, absolute Nothing or True Nothing can not do anything and thus there would only be truly nothing, but the Ultimate, though in the appearance of Nothing, is still able to put things into action, this is known as the "will" or "Will of God" and also the generative power is sometimes known as the "Word" or "Command" of God. These things only become foolish and untrue when people imagine things in a silly way and thinking of God as some human being rather than dealing with obvious reality.

I explain it clearly but very few (practically no one) seems to understand or want to understand. What I am saying is no different than stating plainly things about obvious reality, whereas other people have the tendency to make claims such as "such and such individual or piece of information is the power, is the God in particular" rather than just dealing with reality.

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Please check out these two videos from this website from a new user who just joined the website.

http://alohasangha.com/meditation-hawaii

These are the two videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqoxYKtEWEc

This one is a little more important:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6eFFCi12v8

See if it is possible for you to think nothing, and let your thoughts flow freely if they occur no matter what they are, including frustration or whatever else, but see if you can focus entirely on the blackness you see if you close your eyes without any inner dialogue at all about anything, and then even beyond that, the ability to be totally blank not thinking anything really, and this is the kind of meditation some people do.

See also if with your eyes opened, you can silence all opinions, including the appreciation of causal ties from one instance to the next, simply no explanation even if it is a silent explanation or understanding, but as if you are totally fresh and this is all new to you but you continue to remain free from any thought or commentary or understanding related and are freely observing without commentary or thought. This is a kind of meditation some people do as well.

Then you can try to put it to the test. See if there is someone or something you recall or know about which agitates you, then view it or recall it without any dialogue, commentary, or understanding of it. Neither acceptance nor rejection, nor approval, just as if you are viewing some kind of thing with nothing to say about it inside or out. This might be an interesting thing.

Then if you want to learn the Dark Arts, we can discuss the opposite practices to have mastery of the left hand and the right hand, the upper hand, and the lower hand, the sitting and the walking and the running and the fighting.


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Just a quick question for all of you here, a good chance to let people know about posts and posters you like on this website.

Which poster is your favorite on the website and why? You can mention more than one, and also you can specify which you think is best and why!

Likewise, if you want to throw in who you think is the worst or are among the worst and why, with clear explanations, that might make for a fun discussion!

As for me, most of your posts seem expendable to me, and you all probably know who my vote would be for!

I openly and strongly praise the posts I like though, like the recent post by good logic where he mentions caring for a mouse and the one where huruf spoke up about good things.

It would be great to see if people could boast more on this website. You might wonder "what value is there in boasting?", the value of boasting, and not false boasts, but statements about your good acts, is to encourage others to follow in such things and also try to exceed them themselves, and then hearing about their exceeding it, you then also try harder, and this the Qur'an mentions as "vying one with another in good deeds" and encouraging each other in those things. It is not the bad kind of "boasting". It is basically what good logic ended up doing in talking about his goodness, and it urges others towards good too, it is an important and useful practice. It isn't "not being humble" or "hiding your good deeds so that your left hand doesn't know what your right has given", people should know about the good you do, the exercises, whatever. It is a noble deed to "show off" in the hope of encouraging others to also follow.

Imagine if the Prophets had concealed themselves, and no one could see their deeds or acts of kindness, and thus not be motivated at all.

This is why it is also good to go out and seek the mercy of Allah and spread good. This does not necessarily mean "dawah" in the sense of teaching about God directly, but by going out and doing good, interacting with people as a good person, being kind, and this is an important form of the propagation of Islam and a good deed.

Those who just sit in their homes and do nothing, not pursuing interaction with the world, are not really the foremost in this holy martial art. To be enormously good and open in your goodness, and spreading news of goodness everywhere you can in every interaction you can, and being a teacher and example of excellence as much as possible, openly being witnessed in goodness and kindness by individuals and those you are good to. Yes, for the sake of yourself, for the sake of goodness, to be "seen of men" too, so that they can learn as well and might copy you as monkeys sometimes do!

So go out, pursue the mercy of Allah, spend your time in goodness, being kind, making people laugh, giving in charity, giving compliments, smiling, being incredibly kind, opening doors for people, relieving their anxiety, making things easier for them, giving them free gifts, being like a saint as much as you can, exercising, taking care of your body, eating well, sharing your food. These are the things you should do and do well, as humans.

Each one of you has been lacking apparently in some respects. I am not telling you not to post on this website, that can be a good deed too though most of you waste it in wrong obsessions rather than praising Allah's Ultimate Power and promoting and encouraging good, there are just scuffles about material details of the world, honestly, you shouldn't care that much about those things, you should live and breathe justice and righteousness, mercy and beauty, day and night, everywhere you look, whoever or whatever you interact with, from the events to the animals to the people to the books, movies, and songs you might interact with, to ponder upon Allah and think right and do right in everything. Your whole being should be aimed to that qiblah.

So who is the best poster of all and why? You know clearly who it is! Now read the words and go out in the world if you can and spread the Good News in your deeds, thoughts, jokes, smiles, mercies, charities, and whatever else!

Resisting me is futile and to your own detriment. Anyone who does the opposite of what I am suggesting is likely to fail in this life and very possibly the next.

Now if you think I'm wrong, show me how with well reasoned explanations how I am wrong at all? You are likely to fail in such explanations, because I am only encouraging good and goodness and behind it is not a message of shirk but a message of the Ultimate One to which All events and happenings belong, the Singular Power of which there is no other power whatsoever.

Many of you tend to deny this in one form or another, but the least you can do is speak goodness and spread goodness then.

Instead I hear things like "I will not follow you", haha, why? There is one direction, one path, if you don't follow me, will you walk backwards until you fall?

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Introduce Yourself / CAN YOU PLEASE HELP?
« on: August 09, 2015, 01:04:25 AM »
Hi! My username is FreedomStands! I have been posting quite a bit on this forum in a short amount of time!

I'd like to know your views concerning the following posts of mine. If you think I am wrong, can you state where and why and how you think I am wrong? I have actually quite carefully gone through these things, so when I say stuff like "if you say this, it means this" "if you do not say this, then it means this" which all have strong reasoning based in logical implications (which people often don't ponder apparently before they make statements which seem good to them).

Do you agree with the following fully? If not, why not, in every detail of why not? Please read every bit, and re-read it thoroughly again if necessary, to really grasp what I am saying and all its implications in every direction clearly and then tell me if you agree fully or not, if you agree partially but not fully, it counts as a disagreement, and I'd like to know what you agree with and why, and what you do not agree with and why if possible. Anyone can read this, sign up with the website if you are not signed up, and post here in reply, and can also contact me at foxyfoxgames@gmail.com if they don't want to join the website or post here.

I am asking you so I can sharpen it all if necessary or do whatever, if I am wrong then please help me and explain why, your explaining why does not mean I won't respond and try to explain my reasoning for saying whatever.

I'd also like to know who agrees with me fully. This page is called THE SORTING. It is to sort out who are the ones who are in accord with what I am saying or what it seems to them that I am saying, and who are not, you all can also repeat then your understanding of what I am saying and have said.

I only know a few people on this forum who agree with me at all, let alone like me, and I'd like to know if anyone else agrees with what I am saying, but please read it carefully, because so many people bring up things I've covered and seem to have not read anything at all that I've written and jump on assumptions after perhaps only giving it a glance.

This is kind of a "eternal life and eternal deaths" matter, since it regards the "unforgivable sin" of Shirk.

First what I have written here:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg373332#msg373332

then what I have written here:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg371947#msg371947

and what I have written here:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607626.msg371082#msg371082

as well as what I have written here:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607171.msg362116#msg362116

Thank you to anyone who takes the time to slowly and carefully read those and parse them for their logic and view them in all ways possible.

Please note, if you are among those who disagree, even a metaphorical micro-meter from what I am saying, let me know and let me know why and how you have understood what I am saying in every possible way and why it is wrong to you even in the slightest.

Also, it is worth noting, that it is the cruelest thing to simply leave me in my error if you think I am an error (which is the case if you disagree in the slightest) and instead I am asking that you please help me out, but that doesn't mean I won't explain or argue things back, but doing so is not hostility, I am trying to test and break down these things entirely and it would be great if you actually do see some issue to bring it up.

It is also worth noting for your replies, if you have any besides "I agree completely", that if the "Qur'an says", that doesn't matter to me. Many people say the "Qur'an says" a variety of things, and even I have used the Qur'an and other writings extensively, but what I am asking for is logical necessity and careful thinking about implications regarding the "Ultimate" linguistically and otherwise.

So if the Qur'an were to say or seem to say something which has implications such as "Chance determines really" it would not matter to me, it would mean that such a belief is that "Chance then is the Ultimate". So quoting the Qur'an and saying "look here it says God doesn't do this, chance does it" does not help me, because I don't really care much what the Qur'an says or seems to say, I am dealing with careful thinking regarding the Ultimate and Absolute, not translations of what the Qur'an says. If the Qur'an said "God is two" I wouldn't believe it, because we have to "know" what things are through careful thinking, not just agree with whatever the Qur'an might say or seem to say, there are actual clear logical reasons why God can not be two and what defines the Ultimate.

So please take up this task, read those posts carefully and thoroughly, and let me know that you agree fully, and if you disagree in the slightest, please be so kind and compassionate as to try to help me out and explain clearly your reasoning.

In the article regarding "technologies" I am just trying to show drfazl that All is from God, God created all and everything absolutely not "some" or "most" but "all" including "you and whatever you make/do/your handiwork".

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TRASH / THE SORTING
« on: August 09, 2015, 01:01:28 AM »
Hi! My username is FreedomStands! I have been posting quite a bit on this forum in a short amount of time!

I'd like to know your views concerning the following posts of mine. If you think I am wrong, can you state where and why and how you think I am wrong? I have actually quite carefully gone through these things, so when I say stuff like "if you say this, it means this" "if you do not say this, then it means this" which all have strong reasoning based in logical implications (which people often don't ponder apparently before they make statements which seem good to them).

Do you agree with the following fully? If not, why not, in every detail of why not? Please read every bit, and re-read it thoroughly again if necessary, to really grasp what I am saying and all its implications in every direction clearly and then tell me if you agree fully or not, if you agree partially but not fully, it counts as a disagreement, and I'd like to know what you agree with and why, and what you do not agree with and why if possible. Anyone can read this, sign up with the website if you are not signed up, and post here in reply, and can also contact me at foxyfoxgames@gmail.com if they don't want to join the website or post here.

I am asking you so I can sharpen it all if necessary or do whatever, if I am wrong then please help me and explain why, your explaining why does not mean I won't respond and try to explain my reasoning for saying whatever.

I'd also like to know who agrees with me fully. This page is called THE SORTING. It is to sort out who are the ones who are in accord with what I am saying or what it seems to them that I am saying, and who are not, you all can also repeat then your understanding of what I am saying and have said.

I only know a few people on this forum who agree with me at all, let alone like me, and I'd like to know if anyone else agrees with what I am saying, but please read it carefully, because so many people bring up things I've covered and seem to have not read anything at all that I've written and jump on assumptions after perhaps only giving it a glance.

This is kind of a "eternal life and eternal deaths" matter, since it regards the "unforgivable sin" of Shirk.

First what I have written here:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg373332#msg373332

then what I have written here:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg371947#msg371947

and what I have written here:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607626.msg371082#msg371082

as well as what I have written here:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607171.msg362116#msg362116

Thank you to anyone who takes the time to slowly and carefully read those and parse them for their logic and view them in all ways possible.

Please note, if you are among those who disagree, even a metaphorical micro-meter from what I am saying, let me know and let me know why and how you have understood what I am saying in every possible way and why it is wrong to you even in the slightest.

Also, it is worth noting, that it is the cruelest thing to simply leave me in my error if you think I am an error (which is the case if you disagree in the slightest) and instead I am asking that you please help me out, but that doesn't mean I won't explain or argue things back, but doing so is not hostility, I am trying to test and break down these things entirely and it would be great if you actually do see some issue to bring it up.

It is also worth noting for your replies, if you have any besides "I agree completely", that if the "Qur'an says", that doesn't matter to me. Many people say the "Qur'an says" a variety of things, and even I have used the Qur'an and other writings extensively, but what I am asking for is logical necessity and careful thinking about implications regarding the "Ultimate" linguistically and otherwise.

So if the Qur'an were to say or seem to say something which has implications such as "Chance determines really" it would not matter to me, it would mean that such a belief is that "Chance then is the Ultimate". So quoting the Qur'an and saying "look here it says God doesn't do this, chance does it" does not help me, because I don't really care much what the Qur'an says or seems to say, I am dealing with careful thinking regarding the Ultimate and Absolute, not translations of what the Qur'an says. If the Qur'an said "God is two" I wouldn't believe it, because we have to "know" what things are through careful thinking, not just agree with whatever the Qur'an might say or seem to say, there are actual clear logical reasons why God can not be two and what defines the Ultimate.

So please take up this task, read those posts carefully and thoroughly, and let me know that you agree fully, and if you disagree in the slightest, please be so kind and compassionate as to try to help me out and explain clearly your reasoning.

In the article regarding "technologies" I am just trying to show drfazl that All is from God, "you and what you make/do/your handiwork".

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TRASH / I hate Shirk!
« on: July 20, 2015, 08:26:11 PM »
I really hate shirk, and those who perform it. Keep an eye out on this website for those who perform shirk. Shirk is easy to identify. Anyone who says that God did not create everything, but that there are "co-creators" or other creators, or creators of other experiences, or other deciders, or that God is not the sole power, but there are things and events not created by God or willed by God or any variation on that. They are performing shirk, and if you are a slave of Allah, you will have a natural and absolute hatred for their false beliefs and for their promotion of such blasphemies.

Do not play with shirk. Do not flirt with it. Do not think you are not performing shirk if you say "God does not will everything" "God didn't will it" "God didn't do it ultimately" "God is not responsible" "There are other powers" "There are other creators" "Our desires do not come from God" "Not everything is created by God, my thoughts are not part of everything, they come from other than God" or any variation.

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