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#1
The Quran says some nations did not receive a warner before Prophet Muhammad. For example:

📖 Surah Yaseen (36:6)
"So that you may warn a people whose forefathers were not warned, and so they are heedless."

📖 Surah Al-Qasas (28:46)
"But [you were sent] as a mercy from your Lord to warn a people to whom no warner had come before you, so that they may take heed."

📖 Surah As-Sajdah (32:3)
"It is the truth from your Lord so that you may warn a people to whom no warner had come before you, so that they may be guided."

But this raises big questions:

🔹 If their forefathers had no prophet, how can they be blamed for following the wrong path?
🔹 The Quran also says: "And We do not punish [a people] until We have sent a messenger." (17:15) — does this mean those without a prophet will not be punished?
🔹 Were the Quraysh supposed to figure out monotheism on their own, maybe through Abrahamic teachings or by interacting with Jews and Christians?

Another point: Prophet Muhammad is described as "a mercy to the worlds."

📖 Surah Al-Anbiya (21:107)
"And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds."

Each prophet has a symbolic role. Jesus is called Messiah, Moses is known for laws and miracles, but Muhammad is specifically called a mercy.

🔹 Does this make his role exceptional compared to other prophets?
🔹 Is this just about his teachings, or does it mean something greater about his mission?

Curious to hear different perspectives on this. Thank you folks.

#2
Dear All,

Over the years, members of this site have talked a lot about the miraculous events mentioned in the Quran. Traditional scholars often interpret these events literally, but the folks on this website may have different views among themselves.

I want to list these miraculous events and ask everyone for their opinions as short. Do you believe in the literal translation, or do you have another interpretation? and if yes why do you believe these are Allegorical in understanding?

Let us have a respectful and insightful sharing of understanding, of course with in the context of Quran but again interprations and understanding may differ.
To make it meaningful, I will quote the non-traitional interpreations of GA Pervez [as an example ONLY and his version is not the focal point of discussion]
https://www.parwez.tv/abid/mufhoom_1/by_G_A_parwez/Exposition%20of%20Quran.htm

1. Splitting of the Sea (Moses)

Reference: Quran 26:63 (Arabic: "فَأَوْحَيْنَا إِلَىٰ مُوسَىٰ أَنِ ٱضْرِب بِعَصَاكَ ٱلْبَحْرَ فَٱنفَلَقَ فَكَانَ كُلُّ فِرْقٍ كَٱلطَّوْدِ ٱلْعَظِيمِ", English: "So We inspired to Moses, 'Strike with your staff the sea,' and it split, and each part became like a great mountain.")
Traditional Interpretation: A miraculous intervention by God, displaying His power to save Moses and the Israelites by parting the sea.
GA Pervez:
So We sent a revelation to Moses, saying; "Take your people to the sea/river (from a particular direction) and then cross it at a point where it has become dry."  (20:77; 44:24)


2. The Virgin Birth (Jesus)
Traditional Interpretation: A divine miracle where Mary gives birth to Jesus without any male intervention, highlighting the miraculous power of God.
Reference: Quran 19:20-21 (Arabic: "قَالَتْ أَنَّىٰ يَكُونُ لِي غُلَامٌ وَلَمْ يَمْسَسْنِي بَشَرٌ وَلَمْ أَكُ بَغِيًّۭا. قَالَ كَذَٰلِكِ ٱللَّهُ يَخْلُقُ مَا يَشَاءُ إِذَا قَضَىٰ أَمْرًۭا فَإِنَّمَا يَقُولُ لَهُۥ كُن فَيَكُونُ", English: "She said, 'How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste?' He said, 'Thus Allah creates what He wills. When He decrees something, He says to it only, 'Be,' and it is.")
GA Pervez:
She said, "How can I have a son when no man has ever touched me." (When I was in the temple, I lived a virtuous life; and since I came out, I have not got married as this is against the clerical laws ~ 3:46; 19:28.)
He said, "Whatever I have told you, will happen according to Allah's law of creation (3:46).  This is easy for Him (to remove all the hindrances which are in your mind and which perturb you ~ 19:9). Allah has also said that this child will not be like other children.  He will be from our side an embodiment of Rahmat for the people; and a testimonial for truth and falsehood.  (Whoever brings Eiman on his Nabuwat will be on the right path, while the one who rejects it will be wrong.)  And this is already decreed by Us (that the child will be Our Messenger ~ 3:47).
(And gradually all impediments were removed and the fear of clerical taboos vanished from Mary's mind.  At the same time, in spite of warnings and intimidation from the priests, one person agreed to marry Mary.)  In time Mary conceived the child and consequently they (both of them) considered it appropriate to move to a far off place (so that the child would be born at a place where no one knew them; and where they would be safe from the wrath and accusations of the priests).

3. Reviving the Dead
Traditional Interpretation: Prophets like Jesus were given the power to revive the dead as a sign of their divine authority and God's supremacy by the order of God.
Reference: Quran 3:49 (Arabic: "وَأُحْيِ ٱلْمَوْتَىٰ بِإِذْنِ ٱللَّهِ", English: "And I give life to the dead by the permission of Allah.") [and ˹make him˺ a messenger to the Children of Israel ˹to proclaim,˺ 'I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I will make for you a bird from clay, breathe into it, and it will become a ˹real˺ bird—by Allah's Will. I will heal the blind and the leper and raise the dead to life—by Allah's Will. And I will prophesize what you eat and store in your houses. Surely in this is a sign for you if you ˹truly˺ believe]
GA Pervez:
Jesus will say to the Bani-Isr'ael, "(The Law which I have received through revelation is not a new one.) It will validate what has been said before in the Torah (and liberate you from your self-made Shari'at – 4/160, 6/147, 16/118) and to make lawful unto you some of the things which had been forbidden to you (earlier). And I have come with a message from your Sustainer so always abide by the Laws of Allah and follow me."
Mary was also told that her son will not be like ordinary children. Allah will give him the Book based on wisdom and reveal to him knowledge of the Torah and Bible, sending him as a Nabi to Bani-Isr'ael to whom he will say: "I bring to you a life-giving message from your Rabb. Through this revelation I will give you new life so that you can rise above the depths to which you have sunk and be able to soar high in the sky" (5/110). In all this is indeed a message for you, but only if you have faith in it.
At present you are sightless; this revelation will give you sight so that you can walk on the right path.              At present, fields of your activities are barren and lifeless; through the revelation they will become green and fruitful. Your mean disposition due to which others shun you will be transformed.
In short, your present death-like state of disgrace and degradation will be changed into a new life.

4. The Night Journey (Isra and Mi'raj)
Traditional Interpretation: A physical and/or spiritual journey undertaken by Prophet Muhammad from Mecca to Jerusalem and then to heaven, affirming his prophethood and the miracles associated with it.
Reference: Quran 17:1 (Arabic: "سُبْحَـٰنَ ٱلَّذِي أَسْرَىٰ بِعَبْدِهِ لَيْلًا مِّنَ ٱلْمَسْجِدِ ٱلْحَرَامِ إِلَىٰ ٱلْمَسْجِدِ ٱلْأَقْصَا ٱلَّذِي بَـٰرَكْنَا حَوْلَهُۥ لِنُرِيَهُۥ مِنْ ءَايَـٰتِنَآ إِنَّهُۥ هُوَ ٱلسَّمِيعُ ٱلْبَصِيرُ", English: "Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al-Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing.")
GA Pervez:
(1) (The atmosphere in Makkah had become unbearable for the Jama'at-ul-Momineen and there was a little hope that the message of Islam would be accepted by those who had not only rejected it but planned to kill the Rasool.) Limitless glory to Allah who moved his devotee one night from the sacred mosque (of Makkah) to the farthest mosque (in Madina - where atmosphere was much more conducive) and its environs We had blessed. The purpose of the migration was that the promises made by Allah with him in Makkah should be fulfilled. Most certainly Allah is all Hearing and All-Seeing (20/23). (Therefore every decision of His is based on Knowledge and Wisdom.)

5. Creation of Adam
Traditional Interpretation: God created Adam from clay as the first human, breathing life into him, demonstrating God's creative power.
Reference: Quran 38:71-72 (Arabic: "إِذْ قَالَ رَبُّكَ لِلْمَلَـٰٓئِكَةِ إِنِّى خَـٰلِقٌۢ بَشَرًۭا مِّن طِينٍۢ فَإِذَا سَوَّيْتُهُۥ وَنَفَخْتُ فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِى فَقَعُوا۟ لَهُۥ سَـٰجِدِينَ", English: "When your Lord said to the angels, 'Indeed, I am going to create a human being from clay. So when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration.'")
GA Pervez:
When the human being reaches a stage where it has acquired the best of proportions in every respect (after passing through all the developmental/evolutionary stages, and I breathe into it a sparkle of My energy, he attains a human personality capable of making choices and discretions.  Then, at that stage, you  (Malaika) should bow before him

6. Solomon and the Ants
Solomon was granted the ability to understand animals, demonstrating his unique prophetic wisdom. The story illustrates his compassion and awareness, as he heeds the warning of an ant to avoid harming it and its fellow ants unintentionally.
Reference: Quran 27:18-19 (Arabic: "حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَآ أَتَوْا۟ عَلَىٰ وَادِ ٱلنَّمْلِ قَالَتْ نَمْلَةٌۭ يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّمْلُ ٱدْخُلُوا۟ مَسَـٰكِنَكُمْ لَا يَحْطِمَنَّكُمْ سُلَيْمَـٰنُ وَجُنُودُهُۥ وَهُمْ لَا يَشْعُرُونَ", English: "Until, when they came upon the valley of the ants, an ant said, 'O ants, enter your dwellings that you not be crushed by Solomon and his soldiers while they perceive not.'")
GA Pervez: 
(At one time Soloman learnt that the State of Sheba was planning to attack.  So as a precaution he took his army towards them.  The valley of Namal was on the way and like that of the State of Sheba, its head of state was a woman.  When she received the news of this army, she ordered her subjects to remain in their dwellings to save themselves.  Without ascertaining whether they had any connection or alliance with their enemy the State of Sheba, she was afraid that the troops might crush them.  (This is normal action when armies invade.  It is better to move out of their way.)

7. Age of Noah:

Traditional Interpretation: Noah is one of the longest-lived prophets in Islamic tradition. According to the Quran, he preached to his people for 950 years before the great flood occurred. This extended lifespan is seen as a testament to his perseverance in delivering God's message despite the continued disbelief of his people.
Reference: Quran 29:14 (Arabic: "وَلَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا نُوحًا إِلَىٰ قَوْمِهِ فَلَبِثَ فِيهِمْ أَلْفَ سَنَةٍ إِلَّا خَمْسِينَ عَامًا فَأَخَذَهُمُ الطُّوفَانُ وَهُمْ ظَالِمُونَ", English: "And We certainly sent Noah to his people, and he remained among them a thousand years minus fifty years, and the flood seized them while they were wrongdoers.")
GA Pervez:
(However there is nothing strange in what they are saying.  Consider the history of the tussle between good and evil, starting from the times long past.  Firstly you will notice that) We sent forth Noah unto his people and his era lasted for a period of nine hundred and fifty years.  (Then the period of Abraham started.)*  (His people opposed him strongly and) The result was that the deluge overtook them; as indeed they were the 'Zalimeen'.

In short, what I am trying to understand is how those verses of Quran are interpreted by the people who follow only Quran. As I know some of the folks here leave the understanding of Quran completely open to every individual and even close to say Prophets and Messsengers may also not know the full depth of understanding of verses of the scriptures. Hence I am quite interested to know how are you going to interpret these verses; taking them literally or as a metaphor or perhaps a mix of both--- and based on what logic and attained knowledge of Quran.

I have given an example translation from GA Pervez which is sort of complete extreme version of not taking things literally and my understanding differs from his but I quoted him as an example:
For example: His interpretation of the chapter 105: The elephand which atleast I grew up understanding from my elders is quite different: I was told to believe the literal translation that أَبَابِيلَ [not a known species of bird] i do not know carrying stones protected the sacred site by pelting the army, leading to their destruction.

See below:

SURAH 105 : Al-Fîl
1.(If these opponents are under the false impression that none can defeat a powerful and mighty force like theirs, you should tell them) "Have you not seen, with your own eyes how your Rabb dealt with the army which had elephants?
2."You saw with your own eyes how He rendered their artful planning utterly unsuccessful.
3. They had selected an unknown and unsuspected pass on the other side of the mountain, so that they could lead a sudden attack and take you unawares.) "But flocks of eagles and vultures (which normally fly over the armies to pick up remnants of dead bodies or other eatables) started hovering over their heads. In this way you realised from a distance, that some army was on the move behind the mountains (their secret plan was thus exposed).

4-5. "Therefore you climbed over the mountain and started pelting them with stones, crushing their army and making them to look like chewed-up stubble."
(All this happened before your very eyes.  When such a mighty army can be defeated, then what about yourself. All your secret plans will also fail.)

Appreciate GL and other to provide in short their understanding of the above apparant miraculous verses

Thanks
#3
Dear Friends,

We all know the hardships people face around the world. Today, I am not looking to spark another debate on who is to blame or take any actions or to question anyone's faith lack thereof based on the events unfolding globally. My question is more about personal peace.

Lately, I have been struggling. Even though I live a relatively comfortable life, when I see the images of suffering shared here below(news link as examples only), something does not sit right with me. How do I make peace with my own well-being when so many are in distress? How do we all handle this? It feels like we are worlds apart from those in pain.

I am not asking for pity or a lecture, just some insight or thoughts that might help me—and maybe others—understand this better. How do we reconcile with what is happening and our beliefs? How have others dealt with this in the past, even during events like the World Wars? I was not there, so it is hard to compare, but I am really seeking some guidance on how to navigate these feelings now.

Moreover, I have been wondering about prayer and divine intervention. Does prayer even make a difference in situations caused by human actions? Would God listen to prayers about consequences that we have brought upon ourselves? And importantly, this isn't about politics—it's about the innocent, the collateral damage like children and women. How do we reconcile with their fates? Should we consider their situation as "a punishment from God" or a "Test of their patience" or a mix of both? or do we even have the right?

In the scriptures, we read many nations have been punished and perished but those were a direct result of disobying their prophet and going against God. Now there is no more prophet and the deaths and punishements are perhaps 100s times far more than what we all read about previous nations, so how we read all this?

Discussing this from a distance is one thing, but what if we were right in the thick of it? Do you think our faith would falter under such strain? How do you believe you would cope if you found yourself in such dire circumstances?


Looking forward to your thoughts


https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/25/middleeast/israel-gaza-children-starvation-malnutrition-intl/index.html

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2481266/children-gaza-we-want-world-show-us-their-tears

https://www.commondreams.org/news/gaza-famine
#4
Hi everyone,

I have been pondering a question that intertwines elements of psychology, neuroscience, and spiritual beliefs, and I would love to hear your thoughts and insights on it.

Where does the "thought process engine" of humans lie?

I mean, where do our thoughts originate from? We know the heart and brain are physical parts of our body, but when it comes to the logical, conscious, and subconscious aspects, things get more complex. Many say that the brain is responsible for our thought processes. But what about the role of the soul, the consciousness, or the subconscious?

Furthermore, can our thought process be influenced by external entities beyond just our friends and social interactions? Specifically, I am curious about the perspectives that involve spiritual or metaphysical influences. For instance, in various religious and spiritual traditions, there are concepts like angels, jinn, and different types of nafs (e.g., al-nafs al-ammara, al-nafs al-lawwama, and al-nafs al-mutma'inna) that might play a role.

Can these entities penetrate our thoughts or influence them?

For example, imagine person X is interacting with others. While doing so, X might have multiple thoughts per second – some aggressive, some intimate, some morally questionable. At the same time, X might have counter-thoughts that reject the initial impulses as wrong or immoral. This makes me wonder:

Who or what initiates these random thoughts?

Is it solely the brain's function, or do external spiritual entities (like angels, jinn, or even Satan) have the ability to influence our thoughts?

I am really curious to understand how different fields and beliefs converge on this topic. How has God designed human psychology to allow for these diverse and often conflicting thoughts?

I am asking this question because at the End (judgement) our fate will be justified solely by GOD based on actions that we have taken or not owing to those thoughts that shaped our life on this planet as long as we lived. Secondly how much influence does the so called Iblees or his companions have on our thought process factory? and how much influence God allows them to have? Just saying if we do good we will get reward and if we do bad, we be punished is after the fact... but before all this.. there is this creaition of those good or evil thoughts --- where does all this trigger from and by whom and on what basis?


Additionally,
Folks, now we see AI entering exponentially into human society:

So, do you think in the future there will be an AI-based thought processing chip that can be implanted into humans as a means of controlling their actions? We have seen that some medicines do affect human behavior... so does this mean man will eventually become so powerful that he will one day play God in human life?

Thank you
#5
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#6
A friend recently shared their views on the Qur'an and its compilation, sparking a curiosity in me that I'd like to discuss here. They suggested that while the original divine revelations to Prophet Muhammad were the pure truth, the text might have been subject to tampering and distortion after his death. This brings up questions about the authenticity of the current Qur'an, especially considering that the compilation we have today was overseen by the third Caliph, Uthman ibn Affan, decades after the Prophet's death. Given the historical context and the possibility of alterations by early Islamic leaders, whom some historical accounts suggest had varying degrees of sincerity and faithfulness, how can we reconcile these concerns with our faith in the Qur'an's authenticity?

Moreover Quranists, who focus solely on the Qur'an and largely disregard the Hadith and Sunnah that detail events after the Prophet's death and the actions of the caliphs, face a particular conundrum. If the Qur'an's compilation is historically linked to these figures and events that Quranists do not necessarily hold in the same regard as the Qur'an itself, how does this affect their acceptance of the Qur'an as we know it today? Else how did we end up with the copy of Quran we have today???

Additionally, they raised an intriguing point about Qur'an 15:9, 56:77-80, and 85:21-22, suggesting these verses refer to the "Preserved Tablet" (Lawh Mahfouz) and the reminder (dhikr), not necessarily to the physical copy of the Qur'an we hold today. This perspective hints at a distinction between the eternal, unaltered divine message and the physical text compiled by humans. They argue this could be seen as circular reasoning—a logical fallacy where the conclusion is included in the premise—especially if one assumes that the divine promise of protection explicitly applies to the physical Qur'an.

This friend also suggests that by accepting the current text without question, we might inadvertently commit shirk by placing blind faith in a potentially altered text. How do you view the issues of compilation, historical authenticity, and the logical structure of divine protection promises? How can we, especially Quranists who adhere strictly to the Qur'an, be certain of the text's purity and divine origin in light of these considerations? I'm eager to hear your thoughts and insights on these matters, given the deep respect and love we all hold for the Qur'an as the cornerstone of our faith.

Some of the verses mentioned in the Quran is talking about
[Quran 15:9] Absolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it.
[Quran 56:77-80] This is an honorable Quran. In a protected book. None can grasp it except the sincere. A revelation from the Lord of the universe.
[Quran 85:21-22] Indeed, it is a glorious Quran. In a preserved master tablet.


Note: I have already viewed the relevant thread below
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8314.msg22280#msg22280
#7
I'm eager to learn more about the attributes of God, especially those that inspire love, hope, and Anger, Disappointment, Destroyer, Vengeful etc. I'm not looking for debates but rather positive insights and shared experiences. If you have scriptural references, personal stories, or teachings that highlight God's  nature, I'd be grateful to hear them.
I have asked my queries at https://chatnow.org and with a pastor and below is the chat transcript. Please go over the talk and if any one can answer me please.

Ray
How are you?
Fuzion
Hello Ray
Fuzion
am fine
Fuzion
yourself?
Raymond
I'm doing well.
Raymond
What's on your mind today?
Fuzion
Are you a human or a chatbot?
Raymond
I am a male, human, live in the US.
Raymond
You?
Fuzion
thank you
Fuzion
since you are a volunteer , may I know your qualifications to answer my queries about God?
Raymond
Yes, I have done years of study in the Bible, have walked with JESUS for over 30 years and know GOD personally.
Fuzion
That is just great
Raymond
Yes
Fuzion
may I begin asking my questions pls
Raymond
Sure
Raymond
Go ahead.
Fuzion
First one. God exhibits emotions such as happiness or anger, as illustrated by the punishment of Pharaoh through plagues. How can God, the Creator, exhibit characteristics that are traits of humans, the created? Being divine, should God not be beyond human emotions like joy or astonishment, since these are responses to occurrences? How is this possible?
Fuzion
God*
Raymond
In the Bible, GOD created humans "in HIS image".
Raymond
It stands to reason that the very emotions that we have and MUCH more come from HIM!
Fuzion
Yes, but considering a Creator who was not brought into existence by anyone, how can He experience emotions such as happiness or otherwise, as though He were also created? That's my query. I'm not disputing that we are made in His image. My question is, if He is uncreated, then how is it possible for Him to experience these emotions? For instance, if you suddenly become happy, it implies that something has happened of which you were previously unaware, leading to your happiness. This means you didn't foresee the event. However, God is omniscient, knowing everything past, present, and future. So, how can He be subject to such reactions
Raymond
You, by your argument, have stated that emotions are limited ONLY to humans. There is NOTHING in all of history, nor in ANY of the writings of ANY religions that state that a divine being should be emotion-less!
Raymond
Even JESUS, GOD in the human form, had great joy when something wonderful happened!
Raymond
Emotions are NOT just human, the indicate life!
Fuzion
In response to your point, I acknowledge your assertion that emotions are not exclusively human traits and that no historical or religious texts explicitly state that a divine being must be devoid of emotions. However, my argument hinges on the nature of these emotions themselves. Emotions, as we understand them, often arise as reactions to events or revelations, implying a transition from unawareness to awareness. Given that God is all-knowing, possessing complete knowledge of the past, present, and future, the concept of God experiencing emotions like happiness or sadness seems contradictory. For if one knows everything, there would presumably be no surprise or new information to elicit such emotional responses. Therefore, my concern is how the attribute of omniscience aligns with the experience of emotions, which typically denote a change in awareness or state.
Raymond
Your point may seemingly be valid, however, again, you are ascribing to GOD, a limitless, divine being, emotions AS YOU understand them in this world! Anger, for example, is usually impulsive and very rarely correct. GOD's anger is NEVER that way, never impulsive and NEVER incorrectly applied. For you or me, finite beings, to state that GOD cannot have emotions is similar to an ant stating that he fully comprehends the stars in the heavens!
Fuzion
it is evidently clear we approach the understanding of divine emotions from distinct viewpoints.
Raymond
Correct!
Raymond
I follow the Bible.
Fuzion
While I recognize the infinite nature of God compared to our finite existence, my inquiry seeks not to limit God but to understand the compatibility of omniscience with emotional responses as we know them
Raymond
Where are your opinions of GOD from?
Fuzion
let me please continue then i shall reply on that
Fuzion
If God's anger is not impulsive, as you've described, then how do we interpret the series of plagues that were inflicted upon Pharaoh and his people as a form of punishment? This action, at first glance, may appear to be a direct response fueled by anger or retribution towards Pharaoh's defiance. However, considering your explanation that divine anger is fundamentally different from human anger—never impulsive and always just?
Fuzion
My understanding of God is still evolving, and I sincerely hope for your kindness and patience as I navigate through my changing thoughts. It would be greatly appreciated if you could engage with my inquiries with an open mind, rather than through the traditional lens often associated with Christian perspectives.
Fuzion
I have something more to add please
Fuzion
Occasionally, I find myself contemplating the possibility that we, as humans, might be the creation of a higher, more advanced being, and our existence could be akin to simulations or experiments conducted by these beings. It's intriguing to observe how similar patterns of emotions and behaviors—such as love, despair, anger, and conflict—recur through the centuries, suggesting a cyclical nature to our existence without significant progress or direction. While some might interpret life as a test of our perseverance by God, I'm curious about the purpose behind it all. What does God seek to achieve through this? Please understand, this isn't meant to disrespect or challenge divine intention but is a reflection of my genuine curiosity. At times, it feels as though we're akin to robots, executing a predetermined set of tasks, and I'm eager to explore and understand the broader significance of our roles and experiences.
Fuzion
Thanks
Raymond
Fortunately, GOD has left us with the written Word (the Bible), that explains MUCH of HIM and of HIS divine purpose.
Raymond
Consider these verses:
Raymond
Following:
Raymond
 He is the God who made the whole world and everything in it. He is the Lord of the land and the sky. He does not live in temples that men build! This God is the One who gives life, breath, and everything else to people. He does not need any help from them. He has everything he needs. God began by making one man. From him came all the different people who live everywhere in the world. He decided exactly when and where they must live.  God wanted them to look for him and perhaps search all around for him and find him. But he is not far from any of us: 28 'By his power we live and move and exist.' Some of your own poets have said: 'For we are his children.'
Raymond
So, you must not think that God is like something that people imagine or make.
Fuzion
I assure you, I have diligently explored the religious texts of the Torah, as well as the Old and New Testament, and have observed instances where God is portrayed as a force of destruction, focused on punishing people. There are numerous verses that, to the common observer, may raise questions about the necessity of subjecting humans to such extensive trials and suffering. Please understand, my intention is not to selectively interpret these scriptures, but rather to seek a comprehensive and holistic understanding. I'm genuinely trying to grasp the broader picture and the overarching messages within these texts, and I would greatly appreciate your insights and guidance on this journey.
Raymond
Understood.
Raymond
In the past, people did not understand God, but God ignored this. But now, God tells everyone in the world to change his heart and life. 31 God has decided on a day that he will judge all the world. He will be fair. He will use a man to do this. God chose that man long ago. And God has proved this to everyone by raising that man from death!"
Fuzion
I appreciate your perspective and the insights you've shared. However, I feel that our conversation is steering towards Jesus Christ, while my questions are centered on the nature and attributes of God. My intent is not to deny Jesus or his significance in any way. Rather, I'm seeking to understand the complexities of God's character and how they align with the themes of mercy, justice, and love that are so central to our discussions. It's the essence and attributes of God that I find myself pondering over, and I hope we can explore this together. Please try to see where my confusion lies—it's in grasping the broader essence of God's nature, not in questioning the role or existence of Jesus
Raymond
Unfortunately for all who do not wish to turn to JESUS, HE is the only way to GOD.
Raymond
HE Himself said that HE is the way to GOD!
Raymond
If we study JESUS, we will understand GOD!
Raymond
HIS love, HIS compassion, HIS holiness and even HIS anger.
Raymond
Did you observe JESUS' response in the temple, with the whip?
Fuzion
I respect your viewpoint and the conviction with which you hold it. However, I would like to gently bring into consideration the vast and diverse tapestry of human civilization, including ancient cultures like the Chinese and the Indus Valley, which have flourished for over 5,000 years. These civilizations have their own rich spiritual and philosophical traditions, which have evolved without reference to Adam, Eve, Abraham, Noah, Moses, or Jesus. The essence of my reflection is on the inclusivity of God's love and the vastness of human experience across different times and geographies. To suggest that the spiritual journeys and beliefs of countless individuals outside of the Judeo-Christian tradition are in vain seems quite a stark standpoint. It is my belief that all of us are children of God, embraced by a divine love that transcends our understanding and encompasses all beings, irrespective of the path they follow. I hold these thoughts with the utmost respect for your beliefs and teachings, and my intention is not to dispute but to express a longing for a broader understanding of divine grace that acknowledges the rich diversity of human faith and spirituality
Fuzion
In the temple, Jesus made a whip of cords and drove out the merchants and money changers, overturning their tables, and declared, "My house shall be called a house of prayer, but you have made it a den of robbers".
Raymond
Exactly!
Raymond
The anger of GOD is not easily aroused. It's not an impulsive emotion such as that of an abusive husband or dad.
Raymond
JESUS viewed the temple, saw the disgrace, then left.
Raymond
Much later, HE came back and used the whip!
Raymond
That is how GOD is!
Raymond
HE is FIRST merciful!
Fuzion
I understand the significance of Jesus' actions and teachings, including his response in the temple. However, it's important to remember that not everyone is familiar with these stories or has been influenced by the Judeo-Christian tradition. Many people and civilizations have lived and passed away without knowledge of these events or teachings, through no fault of their own. Suggesting that their lives or beliefs were in vain because they didn't know of Jesus feels like a difficult stance to reconcile with the compassionate and inclusive teachings found in many spiritual traditions, including Christianity. I believe in a God who understands and loves all His creations, regardless of the time or place of their birth.
Raymond
That is why I sent you these verses: "In the past, people did not understand God, but God ignored this. But now, God tells everyone in the world to change his heart and life. 31 God has decided on a day that he will judge all the world. He will be fair. He will use a man to do this. God chose that man long ago. And God has proved this to everyone by raising that man from death!""
Raymond
GOD was patient for thousands of years!
Raymond
But NOW, we must recognize our guilt!
Raymond
We must turn from our sin!
Raymond
We must turn to JESUS, the ultimate sacrifice!
Fuzion
I appreciate the verses you shared and the message they convey. But It's also true that, according to many religious teachings, God has communicated with humanity through various messengers throughout history, offering guidance and opportunities for redemption. This suggests that God has not simply ignored people but has actively engaged with them, demonstrating patience and a desire for understanding. Recognizing the multitude of messengers sent by God across different times and cultures, it seems clear that divine engagement with humanity is complex and multifaceted, rather than a matter of being overlooked or ignored. I understand and respect your emphasis on the significance of Jesus in understanding God's message and intentions for humanity. While I do accept Jesus and his teachings, my current exploration is aimed at delving deeper into the nature and attributes of God. The essence of my confusion lies not in the acceptance of Jesus but in trying to reconcile certain aspects of God's character with the broader scope of divine compassion and justice as portrayed across various traditions. Your perspective has been enlightening, and I value our discussion. However, I'm still navigating through my thoughts to fully grasp the complexity of God's nature. This journey of understanding is important to me, and I'm grateful for the insights you've provided, even as I continue to seek clarity on these matters.
Raymond
Thank you for chatting tonight!
Fuzion
Thank you so much
#8
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Cheers
#9
Certain verses have prompted me to contemplate the true purpose and message that God intended for everyone, not just those specifically addressed.
For example:

33:33
Remain in your homes, and do not display (your) beauty as it used to be displayed in the days of earlier ignorance; and establish Salāh, and pay Zakāh, and obey Allah and His messenger. Allah only intends to keep (all sorts of) filth away from you, O members of the family (of the prophet), and to make you pure through a perfect purification

3:61
Tell whoever disputes with you on this matter after true knowledge has come to you: 'Come! Let us summon our sons and your sons, and our women and your women, and ourselves and yourselves, and then let us pray together and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie.

11:73: They said, "Do you marvel at Allah's command? Allah's mercy and His blessings have always been upon you, O people of the house. Surely, He is Praiseworthy, Glorious." [[ this verse is continuation of the previous where Abraham family 

Furthermore, in Sunni Islam, the conclusion of every prayer involves sending blessings to the family of the Prophet, just as blessings were sent to the family of Prophet Ibrahim.
https://www.islamicfinder.org/duas/masnoon/darood-e-ibraheemi/#:~:text=Darood%20%2De%2D%20Ibraheemi%20%2D%201&text=O%20Allah%2C%20bestow%20Your%20favor,You%20are%20Praiseworthy%2C%20Most%20Glorious.


Numerous scholars have cited the aforementioned verses to highlight the reverence and sanctity of the Ahle-Bait (the family/kin of the Prophet).

Simultaneously, the Quran contains various verses that emphasize the importance of strict adherence to Taqwah (piety) and impartiality towards the wives and sons of the several Prophets. Therefore, the question arises as to why certain verses seem to display leniency or favoritism towards Prophet Mohammad's immediate family.

I am also posing this question because the idea of Ahle-Bait has been at the heart of a significant divide between Sunni and Shia Muslims, leading to a long and violent history. However my main question is true interpretation of the verses mentioned above which appears to show favouritism of some sort.

What is your opinion about these verses so I may understood their meaning from pure Quranic point of view?


Thanks
#10
The verses 36:20 ~ 32 suggests in some literal sense that a specific person was killed for telling his nation to listen to the prophet who was sent and once he died, immediately doors of paradise were open and he was sort of wishing that he could tell the people on earth about the reward he got it so instantly because he wished had his nation listened to him.....or he was an exception where God told him that you are forgiven even before the judgement day and you will join the ranks of  honourable people after Day of Qayama.

In later case, its quite self explanatory. However if there was any other literal/physical meaning, would that imply that the Paradise already existed in reality in todays time with all its glory and bounties and that exceptionally a person can enter it (similar to those who are martyred in God's path and were given food).
Which means there is LIFE even after this Life immediately after they part and we are not supposed to call them dead but we just cant perceive that their eternal life has already started vs those who are in deep sleep and will be resurrected on day of judgement.

Does that also mean that One can always pray to almighty for the kind of life as per 2:154(as there will be no waiting period for him for the judgement/day) unless we are not suppose to take this verse as literal either.

This could also signify existence of a different world/earth where paradise exists (could be same from where Adam/Eve asked to leave) and where the above people are being sent to live for ever.


Thanks





#11
General Issues / Questions / Natural Disasters
February 07, 2023, 04:01:55 AM
Dear All.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wwQPst33LI

Is there a connection to large scale natural disasters with God's wrath or he being unhappy and punish such nations/people because of their bad deeds?
Because if yes, then we can find many examples where similar or worse nations are flourishing and no harm comes to them ever....
and if there is no relation, how can a  believer reconcile with such large scale disasters.. as surely everything that happens is with God permission.

In the past we noticed a pattern from several verses, that a prophet is sent to a nation, and that nation eventually disobey the messenger/ message and as a result god destroying that nation. It is also possible that natural disasters did also occur even with those nations but since the population and infrastructure is very small, the destruction did not have such an  impact. Moreover in case of God destroying,,, the whole nation/town is vanished from face of earth unlike natural disasters  (hence the reason behind what is their -natural disasters- explanation from Quran or is it just normal earth/universe Business as usual- part of the creation events)

Another twist of the story. Non-believers are commenting of several forums taking a religious swipe that these events happen in majority muslim areas and hence God is punishing them. How does one responds to such comments?because apparently it appears so.

Note: i already discussed this topic with a member from this forum (no names) but i wanted to know other views as well. hence the question.
#12
General Issues / Questions / Few Intriguing questions
December 09, 2022, 04:52:19 AM
A close friend of mine had a discussion with me and asked a few questions which I tried to answer in detail from Quran but somehow I noticed he is restless and I was not able to make sense to him. Seems he wants a short to the point explanation if it exists rather than a big lecture style reply.
I am going to post 2 top questions and will post more with time if needed.


1. Some of the verses of Quran talks about God where it seems or appear to characterizes His emotions similar to that of Humans. How is that possible when our mind can not encompass his nature. Unless the only way God can convey through human like qualities to make us understand otherwise in literal the creator can not be subjected to such characteristics simply because those qualities are exhibit in the things which are created. For example in QURAN we find many verses which talks about God being "happy", "angry", "love", "hate", "waiting", "testing" and likes. My friend point is that all these qualities at least in a man is subject to "some external actions". For example, we become very happy when we see some one praises us , or when we achieve success. Likewise we weep or become sad when some external factor (like death , loss) affect us. So the characteristics exhibited here are a result of actions and we react. How come God will follow the same action-reaction? He is far above and beyond to be surprised, happy or sad because he is all knowing!!! hence please can some elaborate on to respond to such a rational question? I tried to explain him that the communication between us and God is through a human language and the creator uses the language terms to explain us else we would never comprehend his message.

2. Is there a chance (even 5%) that there will be no after life, no hell or heaven or this is the only life we get and when we die, its the end. Which means that all these books or religions or code of conduct are actually created by enlightened men which never actually came from some God. Hence everything is evolved from human intellect which needed an entity as the creator to justify their doctrines. He says it is obvious that every thing around us is created, came into being, no deny. However the concept of an established religion (good evil reward punishment accountability etc  all remains in this life for individuals and when you die, its end for you. there is no after life). Hence no one know why this universe is created in real sense, every one (so called prophets) created all from their own mind for the benefit of the society which is actually part of the big game which no one know why, what and how it will end, if at all or it will continue like a loop.

Thank you


#13
General Issues / Questions / Jesus - Teachings
October 20, 2022, 04:16:55 PM
Dear All,

I would like to ask a question about my own understanding of Jesus as a messenger of God.
I have this sort of feeling that his teachings or the time he came to spread the message, was perhaps to spread the message of peace and harmony and present God as only mercy and forgiving. 
In his teachings for example such as if some one strike your once cheek, let him strike the others, pray for those who persecute you and similar verses may suggest that he came after a set of prophets (who were sent as warning prophets and their nations were destroyed with Gods punishment for disobeying the message).
At least I know very little about his story, where did he get married, his kids, his life story, perhaps he died early. There is very less information about him but it appears that he was the softer version among all Gods messengers.
For example even in Quran
5:118 If You punish them, they belong to You after all.1 But if You forgive them, You are surely the Almighty, All-Wise."
I mean here Jesus was quoted in this verse saying to Almighty to forgive those  who took him and his mother as deities (which is an unforgivable act as per Quran 4:48 and 4:116).
Likewise the following videos of


John 8:11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5GXnM_TxSQ&t=66s

Mark 12:28-34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db-lE_f2U5I&t=10s

Having said above, don't you think that in todays time we need Jesus teachings to be spread more in context of peace, harmony and forgiveness. Rather than taking a hard version of Religion?

Of course Jesus is NOT the son of God (biologically), however certain Quranists do believe that he had a father as well just like regular folks but thats another discussion.

thanks
#14
Dear All,

I would like to post the following thoughts that despite asking some of my close folks, could not get a satisfactory answer. Maybe there is none atleast with our limited mind and space.

1. When a teacher has students in his class and he asked them sit in the exam, from his side he most likely have provided to all of them similar environment to his best capability. Likewise a child born with privileges vs child born with lot of inherited problems most likely (exceptions are not the criteria here) become in later life what the environment taught them. A thief, a beggar, a call girl, a dumb person with less intelligence, or a child whose dad passed away and he is now in orphanage and if he had become a bad person later in his life, he would most likely say if his father was not passed away , he would also had the privileges of proper education and etc. This does not mean crimes do not exists in rich people. but hope you get the point. So these two sets of people are not given equal environment, hence their traits depict accordingly. Now some folks call it a test... come on the other day I was watching a reality show where a girl (14 year) was interviwed in slum area having drugs and selling herself, told that she was one of the middle class folks with proper family but her dad passed away and then her dad's brother cheated and left her and her mom on the street. The point is despite there is acountability in here after etc, the fact remains, that girl in 14 years is in that stage because of the circumstances and we cant judge her future actions. Hence same level field is not given to her. Now yes you may say that god will be linient to her etc in here after but thats later. In this life she has become what her circumstances made her. Maybe 20% of such girls really get out of such mess but in general not. So where is the logic of God in all this? Now there is a verse
93:6 Did He not find you as an orphan then sheltered you? which brings me to 2nd point.

2. We find many verses in Quran like the above one where on the surface it looks like God favors certain people and even certain nations. Like Marry (mother of jesus over all world women), Family of Omron. Abraham/Jacob/Joseph all rest of kins.Because God does what he wants and he knows the reasons only. My point is any one can be worthy of Gods blessing and if that person is an Adult, I may understand the argument but what those children has to do with such unfortunate that theur circumstances made them bad people in later life (past 18 years). Why God did not shelter all of them? but only what he choses. based on what? Children cant be judged for his mercy to choose which one?

3. There are nations who flourish on their own, then there sre those who struck oil and become consumers and seems like chosen ones? while there are poor nations as a whole who lacks basic things of life? whos to blame? When it comes to masses we cant blame every person? For example across US Mexican border we see two different life style not now but stories of suffering and crossing the border is there since 100 years and these stories shape the life of those involved while other folks enjoy life

The points is you may say God knows and perhaps those people deserver good or bad.. I disagree. if the same level field was given to all humans then yes they can be punished for not being faithful ... but in the world we live in?

Perhaps we will know when we meet Lord what was his logic in making handicap people born, in making people or nations go down and further down while other nations go up and up and no logic on the surface.

Could any one explain without the cliche reply pls? meaning perhaps there is no religious explanation as such but this is how world is.
Best explained here (but this man is known as anti-religion by many)

https://study.com/learn/lesson/darwins-theory-of-natural-selection-concept-overview.html
Things we are calling God favor was actually 'Principles of Natural Selection".

Cheers
#15
Hello Every one,
Am sure similar topics may have been discussed in this forum earlier, however I would like to bring on this subject in hope that some one can give an explanation that comforts my heart rather than providing cliche statements.

I was going through youtube and this following ad came. I am not talking whether the ad agency is genuine or not as there are definitely those who benefit from some ones else suffering. but my point is to ask the obvious. why some people of all the gods creations had to suffer in their lives for no obvious reason?
There are so many verses in Quran which points that God blesses those in this life as well who stood by faith and also there are also punishments to those in this life who spread "fasad" in this earth. But seeing such people, I just cant comprehend or reconcile Why?
Looking at such an ad and am sure there are so many people who are worse etc. the point is seeing or hearing such stories, I fail to even ask Lord for one favor of my own. I feel ashamed of asking while am perfectly healthy and be able to walk and talk etc.....

Any one can shed some light on why God created such people with such destiny from begin til end (yes some may say that they will go to heaven straight  and/or  it is their test... but really what a big test if that is the case,,,  and what a painful life if purpose of the creator was to give em life in this earth as they cant even enjoy the life in full). I am sure there must be an explanation.

The only reason that I can think of is God does what he wants,,, we cant understand some of his work and perhaps he will let us know on the day of judgement the actual reasons behind all of such suffering and in the end we just pray that He will show mercy to all such souls and on top he will not punish us for even thinking that HE has done it purposely. For some times I feel so low thinking of such people...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U5NdDb1J_w&t=72s


Thank you