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General Issues / Questions / what is sabath?
« on: December 13, 2008, 10:14:52 PM »
I am convinced that "week" is a man made system, and hence saturday never existed during Moses (pbuh)time, so , then what is the correct understanding of sabath?


Questions/Comments on the Quran / Why doesn't God testify in 63-1
« on: December 02, 2008, 07:58:32 PM »
I posted this in shahada thread , but then thought of starting a new thread, so kindly post your comments here.

63: 1. When the hypocrites come to you, they say: We bear witness that you are most surely Allah's Messenger; and Allah knows that you are most surely His Messenger, and Allah bears witness that the hypocrites are surely liars.

I have been struggling with the Red part, why does God say that HE knows that YOU are his messenger? why doesn't HE bears witness?
Whereas HE does testify against hypocrites.



Dear All

I intend studying  these  terms , and would appreciate if you join me in sorting out the exact quranic meanings of these titles, and their delibrate usage at different places in Quran. The governing criteria being " The quran explains itself "

I think Samia can lead us to a good start, or may be anyone with some good ideas can take the lead.



General Issues / Questions / "Ma Malakat Aymnakum", who are they?
« on: October 30, 2007, 08:51:45 PM »

Reference, my lost post on topic , "problems with the reformist translation"

Brother Edip , kashaad, and any one else interested, lets have a detailed dialogue/debate, and sort out this important topic.

(Edip!  I personally request you to spare some time and help us reach some logical conclusion regarding this issue)


Questions/Comments on the Quran / "Let's analyze 5-6 and 4-43"
« on: July 13, 2007, 10:52:50 PM »
5-6  O you who believe, if you rise to attend the assembly, then wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, and wipe you heads and your feet to the ankles; and if you are filthy, then become clean; and if you are ill or traveling or you have excreted, or you have sexually touched the women, and you could not find water, then you shall do ablution from clean soil; you shall wipe your faces and your hands. God does not want to make any hardship over you, but He wants to cleanse you and to complete His blessings upon you that you may be appreciative.

what i get out of this is,

1.  4 step wadu every time before salat  (even if one is clean)

2. And if you are unclean, then purify yourself.  what is this unclean ? how to purify one self ? and with what? is the cleaning only required for the relevent parts? or is it pointing towards bathing?

3. If one is clean and does not find water, then what?  probably salat allowed without wadu?

4. If one does not find water and he/she is been through the above mentioned 4 situations then wipe yourself with clean soil.

5. Does uncleanliness consist of only above mentioned 4 situations?

Now lets combine 4-43 with the above verse.

4-43 O you who believe, do not come near the assembly while you are drunk, until you know what you are saying. Nor dirty, except for travellers,(Abrii Sabeelin) until you wash. And if you are ill or traveling or one of you has excretion or you had sexual contact with the women, and could not find water: then you shall make ablution with clean soil by wiping your faces and hands. God is Pardoning, Forgiving.

6. NO salat till one cleans himself by a bath , so the purification in 5-6 is being clarified here by the word Ghusaloo, which is bathing.

7. Here Abrii sabeelin stays an exception to this rule of bathing , he can slat if he is unclean.

8. Who is this , or what is meant by Abrii Sabeelin?

9. He is understood to be a travelling person, but if he is so then why in next clause travelling (Saafariin) is being mentioned along the rest of three categories? (ill, touched women and been to toilet)

10. If we see the Arabic of the two verses , it is word by word same , the only difference being , ILLA Abrii Sabeelin.(Arabic verses are attached for easy viewing)

Your comments please.


General Issues / Questions / "A dieing Mohammad" (pbuh)
« on: July 09, 2007, 12:24:31 AM »

A few nights ago, i saw a strange dream, let me share it with you.

I am passing by an empty suburban road at night, and i find a Man lying on the road  going through the symptoms of a severe heart attack and dieing. when i stroll by , it is inspired that he is Mohammad.

Initially, i ignore, and move on with a thought that he is 63 years old and it is his time to die, and hence i should not interfere with the Devinne design. But, then a thought flashes/is inspired,              "OK,  " he is dieing, and would die eventually/anyway , but i must do my duty as a human to make an effort to save him".

So,    i turn back and start a C.P.R. on him.  My efforts are very unprofessional/week,  and hence are not making any difference in his condition, but at the end i see some improvement.

I really don't see him coming alive/recovering, but i see my self walking off that place with the following thought,

Thanks God that i did my effort on him, because as it turned out , it was not his time to die , i miscalculated his age to be 63 , whereas he was still in his 40's ,  "Thanks God that i managed to save him".


Submitters / Code 19 / "Does any one has a clue" ?
« on: July 08, 2007, 11:40:34 PM »


Does any one has a clue , as to why was Quran not compiled, in order of revelations?

Does any one has a clue, regarding the mysterious initials?

Does any one has a clue, as to why there is no un numbered bismillah in the start of chapter 9 ?  if all the bismillahs except the first one were later editions, why was sura 9 exempted ?

Does any one has a clue, as to how is the Quran a miracle, and how Almighty preserved it?  that No false hood can enter it?

Does any one has a clue, regarding the statement of God when he says that if all the Jinns and humans band together , still they can't produce a single chapter/ayat?


General Issues / Questions / The Intermediate people
« on: June 10, 2007, 03:26:00 AM »
Salaam hajirfm

Saving yourself from hellfire does not guarantee you paradise.

interesting.     samia !  can u elaborate ?      please


Discuss Latest World News / "Death sentence" for an Apostate
« on: May 08, 2007, 10:51:31 PM »

      :o  :o  :o Did you hear !  Pakistan's national assembly has passed a bill (forwarded by bearded mullahs) recommending death penalty for an Apostate?  He is to be terminated if he does not convert back , and if she is a women, she rots in jail for life or till she converts back as Muslim. :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :elektro: :elektro:


Questions/Comments on the Quran / 33-52 and cousin marriage.
« on: March 27, 2007, 11:30:46 PM »


O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her -- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Permission to wed first cousins has always intrigued me, as it has been proved beyond doubt that in such a scenario 3rd or 4th generation starts to produce crippled offsprings.

Christians think that it is incestuous to marry a first cousin, and their understanding  has to have some logical religious basis.

The above ayah is allowing cousin marriage,  why?    why did God had to send a revelation like this ? probably people in Mohammad's time did not marry first cousins.

let's  read the verse carefully . Is it a one time permission? only for that time ? for the immigrated cousins ? because the believers were a short family?

opinions required




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