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General Issues / Questions / What famous westerners said about Islam
« on: June 05, 2009, 07:55:50 AM »
What famous westerners said about Islam
 What famous westerners said about Islam
Robert Fisk

(The middle correspondent for UK?s ?The Independent? newspaper)

Writing in support of the protests agains the Danish cartoons:
?The fact is that Muslims live their religion?.
Napolean Bonaparte

as Quoted in Christian Cherfils, ?Bonaparte et Islam,? Pedone Ed., Paris, France, 1914, pp. 105, 125.

Original References: ?Correspondance de Napol?on Ier Tome V pi?ce n? 4287 du 17/07/1799??

?Moses has revealed the existence of God to his nation. Jesus Christ to the Roman world, Muhammad to the old continent? ?Arabia was idolatrous when, six centuries after Jesus, Muhammad introduced the worship of the God of Abraham, of Ishmael, of Moses, and Jesus. The Ariyans and some other sects had disturbed the tranquility of the east by agitating the question of the nature of the Father, the son, and the Holy Ghost. Muhammad declared that there was none but one God who had no father, no son and that the trinity imported the idea of idolatry?

?I hope the time is not far off when I shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of Qur?an which alone are true and which alone can lead men to happiness.?


Sir George Bernard Shaw

in ?The Genuine Islam,? Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.

?If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam.? ?I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him ? the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity.?

?I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.?

Bertrand Russel

in ?History of Western Philosophy,? London, 1948, p. 419.

?Our use of phrase ?The Dark ages? to cover the period from 699 to 1,000 marks our undue concentration on Western Europe? ?From India to Spain, the brilliant civilization of Islam flourished. What was lost to christendom at this time was not lost to civilization, but quite the contrary?

?To us it seems that West-European civilization is civilization, but this is a narrow view.?

H.G. Wells

?The Islamic teachings have left great traditions for equitable and gentle dealings and behavior, and inspire people with nobility and tolerance. These are human teachings of the highest order and at the same time practicable. These teachings brought into existence a society in which hard-heartedness and collective oppression and injustice were the least as compared with all other societies preceding it?.Islam is replete with gentleness, courtesy, and fraternity.?

Dr. William Draper

in ?History of Intellectual Development of Europe?

?During the period of the Caliphs the learned men of the Christians and the Jews were not only held in great esteem but were appointed to posts of great responsibility, and were promoted to the high ranking job in the government?. He (Caliph Haroon Rasheed) never considered to which country a learned person belonged nor his faith and belief, but only his excellence in the field of learning.?

Thomas Carlyle

in ?Heroes, Hero Worship, and the Heroic in History,? Lecture 2, Friday, 8th May 1840.

?As there is no danger of our becoming, any of us, Mahometans (i.e. Muslim), I mean to say all the good of him I justly can? ?When Pococke inquired of Grotius, where the proof was of that story of the pigeon, trained to pick peas from Mahomet?s (Muhammad?s) ear, and pass for an angel dictating to him? Grotius answered that there was no proof!?

?A poor, hard-toiling, ill-provided man; careless of what vulgar men toil for. Not a bad man, I should say; Something better in him than hunger of any sort, ? or these wild arab men, fighting and jostling three-and-twenty years at his hand, in close contact with him always, would not revered him so! They were wild men bursting ever and anon into quarrel, into all kinds of fierce sincerity; without right worth and manhood, no man could have commanded them. They called him prophet you say? Why he stood there face to face with them; bare, not enshrined in any mystry; visibly clouting his own cloak, cobbling his own shoes; fighting, counselling, ordering in the midst of them: they must have seen what kind of man he was, let him be called what you like! No emperor with his tiaras was obeyed as this man in a cloak of his own clouting. During three-and-twenty years of rough actual trial. I find something of a veritable Hero necessary for that, of itself?

?These Arabs, the man Mahomet, and that one century, ? is it not as if a spark had fallen, one spark, on a world of what proves explosive powder, blazes heaven-high from Delhi to Granada! I said, the Great man was always as lightning out of Heaven; the rest of men waited for him like fuel, and then they too would flame??

Phillip Hitti

in ?Short History of the Arabs.?

?During all the first part of the Middle Ages, no other people made as important a contribution to human progress as did the Arabs, if we take this term to mean all those whose mother-tongue was Arabic, and not merely those living in the Arabian peninsula. For centuries, Arabic was the language of learning, culture and intellectual progress for the whole of the civilized world with the exception of the Far East. From the IXth to the XIIth century there were more philosophical, medical, historical, religiuos, astronomical and geographical works written in Arabic than in any other human tongue.?

Carra de Vaux

in ?The Philosophers of Islam,? Paris, 1921.

?Finally how can one forget that at the same time the Mogul Empire of India (1526-1857 C.E.) was giving the world the Taj Mahal (completed in 1648 C.E.) the architectural beauty of which has never been surpassed, and the ?Akbar Nameh? of Abul Fazl: ?That extraordinary work full of life ideas and learning where every aspect of life is examined listed and classified, and where progress continually dazzles the eye, is a document of which Oriental civilization may justly be proud.
?The men whose genius finds its expression in this book were far in advance of their age in the practical art of government, and they were perhaps in advance of it in their speculations about religious philosophy. Those poets those philosophers knew how to deal with the world or matter. They observe, classify, calculate and experiment. All the ideas that occur to them are tested against facts. They express them with eloquence but they also support them with statistics.??the principles of tolerance, justice and humanity which prevailed during the long reign of Akbar.?

Marcel Clerget

in ?La Turquie, Passe et Present,? Paris, 1938.

?Many proofs of high cultural level of the Ottoman Empire during the reign of Suleiman the Magnificent are to be found in the development of science and law; in the flowering of literary works in Arabic, Persian and Turkish; in the contemporary monuments in Istanbul, Bursa, and Edirne; in the boom in luxury industries; in the sumptuous life of the court and high dignitaries, and last but not least in its religious tolerance. All the various influences ? notably Turkish, Byzantine and Italian mingle together and help to make this the most brilliant epoch of the Ottomans.?

Michael the Elder (Great)

as Quoted in ?Michael the Elder, Chronique de Michael Syrien, Patriarche Jacobite d? Antioche,? J.B. Chabot, Editor, Vol. II, Paris, 1901.

?This is why the God of vengeance, who alone is all-powerful, and changes the empire of mortals as He will, giving it to whomsoever He will, and uplifting the humble beholding the wickedness of the Romans who throughout their dominions, cruelly plundered our churches and our monasteries and condemned us without pity, brought from the region of the south the sons of Ishmael, to deliver us through them from the hands of the Romans.
?And if in truth we have suffered some loss, because the Catholic churches, that had been taken away from us and given to the Chalcedonians, remained in their possession; for when the cities submitted to the Arabs, they assigned to each denomination the churches which they found it to be in possession of (and at that time the great churches of Emessa and that of Harran had been taken away from us); nevertheless it was no slight advantage for us to be delivered from the cruelty of the Romans, their wickedness, their wrath and cruel zeal against us, and to find ourselves at people. (Michael the Elder, Jacobite Patriarch of Antioch wrote this text in the latter part of the twelfth century, after five centuries of Muslim rule in that region. Click here for a relevant document sent to the monks of St. Catherine Monastery in Mt. Sinai, 628 C.E.)

Sir John Bagot Glubb

?Khalif (Caliph) Al-Ma?mun?s period of rule (813 ? 833 C.E.) may be considered the ?golden age? of science and learning. He had always been devoted to books and to learned pursuits. His brilliant mind was interested in every form of intellectual activity. Not only poetry but also philosophy, theology, astronomy, medicine and law all occupied his time.??By Mamun?s time medical schools were extremely active in Baghdad. The first free public hospital was opened in Baghdad during the Caliphate of Haroon-ar-Rashid. As the system developed, physicians and surgeons were appointed who gave lectures to medical students and issued diplomas to those who were considered qualified to practice. The first hospital in Egypt was opened in 872 AD and thereafter public hospitals sprang up all over the empire from Spain and the Maghrib to Persia.?

On the Holocaust of Baghdad (1258 C.E.) Perpetrated by Hulagu:
?The city was systematically looted, destroyed and burnt. Eight hundred thousand persons are said to have been killed. The Khalif Mustasim was sewn up in a sack and trampled to death under the feet of Mongol horses. For five hundred years, Baghdad had been a city of palaces, mosques, libraries and colleges. Its universities and hospitals were the most up-to-date in the world. Nothing now remained but heaps of rubble and a stench of decaying human flesh.?

General Issues / Questions / ironsky (kurt)
« on: March 23, 2009, 07:13:56 AM »
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Does anybody no how kurt(ironsky) is doing .

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General Issues / Questions / Th Banking crisis
« on: February 20, 2009, 02:41:42 AM »
Peace All

Do any of you work in banks and do you no what is going on, is it worth keeping any money in them or not .The Last thing you want is to be the last person at the end of a bank que trying to take your money out.

I have no trust in my goverment and no that bankers at the bottom end have no clue as to what is going on.So is there any body at the top end.

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General Issues / Questions / good article
« on: December 31, 2008, 04:57:19 AM »
The self delusion that plagues both sides in this bloody conflict
Robert Fisk – December 31, 2008

During the second Palestinian "intifada", I was sitting in the offices of Hizbollah's Al-Manar television station in Beirut, watching news footage of a militiaman's funeral in Gaza. The television showed hordes of Hamas and PLO gunmen firing thousands of rounds of ammunition into the air to honour their latest "martyr"; and I noticed, just next to me, a Lebanese Hizbollah member – who had taken part in many attacks against the Israelis in what had been Israel's occupation zone in southern Lebanon – shaking his head.

What was he thinking, I asked? "Hamas try to stand up to the Israelis," he replied. "But..." And here he cast his eyes to the ceiling. "They waste bullets. They fire all these bullets into the sky. They should use them to shoot at Israelis."

His point, of course, was that Hamas lacked discipline, the kind of iron, ruthless discipline and security that Hizbollah forged in Lebanon and which the Israeli army was at last forced to acknowledge in southern Lebanon in 2006. Guns are weapons, not playthings for funerals. And Gaza is not southern Lebanon. It would be as well for both sides in this latest bloodbath in Gaza to remember this. Hamas is not Hizbollah. Jerusalem is not Beirut. And Israeli soldiers cannot take revenge for their 2006 defeat in Lebanon by attacking Hamas in Gaza – not even to help Ms Livni in the Israeli elections.

Not that Hizbollah won the "divine victory" it claimed two years ago. Driving the roads of southern Lebanon as the Israelis smashed the country's infrastructure, killed more than a thousand Lebanese – almost all of them civilians – and razed dozens of villages, it didn't feel like a Hizbollah "victory" to me, theological or otherwise. But the Israelis didn't win and the Hizbollah were able to deploy thousands of long-range rockets as well as a missile which set an Israeli warship on fire and almost sank it. Hamas have nothing to match that kind of armoury.

Nor do they have the self-discipline to fight like an army. Hizbollah in Lebanon has managed to purge its region of informers. Hamas – like all the other Palestinian outfits – is infected with spies, some working for the Palestinian Authority, others for the Israelis. Israel has successively murdered one Hamas leader after another – "targeted killing", of course, is their polite phrase – and they couldn't do that without, as the police would say, "inside help". Hizbollah's previous secretary general, Sayed Abbas Moussawi, was assassinated near Jibchit by a missile-firing Israeli helicopter more than a decade ago but the movement hasn't suffered a leader's murder in Lebanon since then. In the 34-day war of 2006, Hizbollah lost about 200 of its men. Hamas lost almost that many in the first day of Israel's air attacks in Gaza – which doesn't say much for Hamas' military precautions.

Israel, however – always swift to announce its imminent destruction of "terrorism" – has never won a war in a built-up city, be it Beirut or Gaza, since its capture of Jerusalem in 1967. And it's important to remember that the Israeli army, famous in song and legend for its supposed "purity of arms" and "elite" units, has proved itself to be a pretty third-rate army over recent years. Not since the 1973 Middle East conflict – 35 years ago – has it won a war. Its 1978 invasion of Lebanon was a failure, its 1982 invasion ended in disaster, propelling Arafat from Beirut but allowing its vicious Phalangist allies into the Sabra and Chatila camps where they committed mass murder. In neither the 1993 bombardment of Lebanon nor the 1996 bombardment of Lebanon – which fizzled out after the massacre of refugees at Qana – nor the 2006 war was its performance anything more than amateur. Indeed, if it wasn't for the fact Arab armies are even more of a rabble than the Israelis, the Israeli state would be genuinely under threat from its neighbours.

One common feature of Middle East wars is the ability of all the antagonists to suffer from massive self-delusion. Israel's promise to "root out terror" – be it of the PLO, Hizbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Iranian or any other kind – has always turned out to be false. "War to the bitter end," the Israeli defence minister, Ehud Barak, has promised in Gaza. Nonsense. Just like the PLO's boast – and Hamas' boast and Hizbollah's boast – to "liberate" Jerusalem. Eyewash. But the Israelis have usually shown a dangerous propensity to believe their own propaganda. Calling up more than 6,000 reservists and sitting them round the Gaza fence is one thing; sending them into the hovels of Gaza will be quite another. In 2006, Israel claimed it was sending 30,000 troops into Lebanon. In reality, it sent about 3,000 – and the moment they crossed the border, they were faced down by the Hizbollah. In some cases, Israeli soldiers actually ran back to their own frontier.

These are realities. The chances of war, however, may be less easier to calculate. If Israel indefinitely continues its billion dollar blitz on Gaza – and we all know who is paying for that – there will, at some stage, be an individual massacre; a school will be hit, a hospital or a pre-natal clinic or just an apartment packed with civilians. In other words, another Qana. At which point, a familiar story will be told; that Hamas destroyed the school/hospital/pre-natal clinic, that the journalists who report on the slaughter are anti-Semitic, that Israel is under threat, etc. We may even get the same disingenuous parallel with a disastrous RAF raid in the Second World War which both Menachem Begin and Benjamin Netanayahu have used over the past quarter century to justify the killing of civilians.

And Hamas – which never had the courage to admit it killed two Palestinian girls with one of its own rockets last week – will cynically make profit from the grief with announcements of war crimes and "genocide".

At which point, the deeply despised and lame old UN donkey will be clip-clopped onto the scene to rescue the Israeli army and Hamas from this disgusting little war. Of course, saner minds may call all this off before the inevitable disaster. But I doubt it

General Issues / Questions / bhutto saint or sinner?
« on: December 28, 2007, 03:49:13 AM »
What happens now in Pakistan
Omer Subhani – Counterpunch December 27, 2007

1. I have to start off with my recent perceptions of her. She was a corrupt politician who was more interested in her political legacy than in the welfare of her nation and people. President Bush said today that Bhutto was someone who fought against terrorism. She did so, conveniently, post 9-11. During the mid 1990s she was openly pro-Taliban as the Pakistani government was one of the few nations in the world that recognized that neo-Khawarij regime.

2. Her death could cause major problems for Pakistan, but I think Musharraf will be smart about this and will likely move to some sort of martial law system in order to curb violence and unrest. He needs to postpone elections only briefly because otherwise his opponents will claim he is attempting to block the political process.

3. I was surprised somewhat by the coverage of Bhutto in the US press this morning. CNN changed her picture three times this morning around 8:45 AM. Every picture tried to portray her as some sort of fallen angel. Again, this is a woman who sold out her people in order to increase her bank account as well as killing her political opponents.

4. Pakistan and Democracy: what happens now? Nawaz Sharif is a nobody. Musharraf is on thin ice. Who will lead Pakistan? It's a very grim situation there, but one thing is for certain: most Pakistanis are moderate people who are inclined to Western values of democracy and freedom in their truest sense. They are progressive and liberal in many facets. Extremism does not have a great hold in Pakistan, but what should be rightfully feared is that someone in the military who is pro-Taliban & al-Qaeda will take over as Musharraf did. I don't think that's a likely possibility, but it is a possibility nonetheless. Pakistanis need to regroup and really rally for democracy.

5. I am disgusted with the US media. Their coverage of Bhutto as some sort of martyr is despicable and inappropriate. Man, she really did a good job of portraying herself as some sort of beacon of hope for Pakistan. This woman was liable to be arrested at any moment by Interpol because of all the money laundering she and her husband were involved in with 3 to 4 different countries. She was a crook, plain and simple, yet our wonderful press is making her out to be the next Mother Teresa. This is like if Michael Vick was trying to run for Senator of Georgia ten years from now and then he was murdered and all anyone was talking about was how great a football player he was without any mention of his dog fighting crimes. This is so Orwellian.

6. Bhutto's legacy: The impression she has left is one of a woman standing up for democracy and fighting against extremism. This is how she will likely be seen until Armageddon. Dissidents and progressives who actually know something about her history will know better. She fought for democracy when convenient for her, but when she was in power assassinations of opponents and corruption were the way of life for her. She was a crook and while she did not deserve such a horrible ending to her life we should all remember that this is a person who cared only for herself and her bank account.

7. My research at Harvard led me to believe that Bhutto would not last long in Pakistan. Unfortunately for her my research proved correct. Musharraf barely made it out alive on two major assassinations attempts a few years ago, while he has had many others. Musharraf's security was arranged by the Pakistani Army and the attempts on his life demonstrated that the Army had been infiltrated by Taliban and al-Qaeda sympathizers. So if he had the best security around and was almost killed then how could Bhutto possibly stay alive? She didn't as we unfortunately see today.

Omer Subhani is a candidate for a Ph. D. in History at Boston University. He can be reached at:

General Issues / Questions / A Satanic Cult Rules the World
« on: October 17, 2007, 03:26:19 AM »
A Satanic Cult Rules the World
by Henry Makow Ph.D. – October 16, 2007

"How can one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight unless...God had delivered them into enemy hands?" Deuteronomy 32:30

"Either convert to Islam or be executed." This was the choice the Turkish Sultan gave Sabbatai Zevi, self-proclaimed Jewish "Messiah" in 1666.

By only pretending to convert, Zevi resorted to a common practice. But Zevi was not an ordinary Jew. He led a popular heresy, based on a satanic strain of Cabalism. The rabbis had denounced him and his followers.

After his "conversion," millions of followers, who later included financiers like the Rothschilds, imitated his example. But they didn't just pretend to be Muslims or Christians. They pretended to be Jews as well.

By adopting this chameleon strategy, this satanic cult infiltrated and subverted most governments and religions, and established an invisible tyranny without drawing much attention. In the words of the gifted researcher Clifford Shack:

"Through infiltration, stealth and cunning, this invisible network has come to rule us all. Forty-one years after Shabbatai Zevi's death, in 1717, they would infiltrate Masonry guilds in England and establish Freemasonry.... [Zevi's successor] Jacob Frank would have a great impact on the inner core of Freemasonry known as the Illuminati, formed in 1776. Freemasonry would become the hidden force behind events like the [American, French and Russian] revolutions, the creations of the U.N. & Israel, both World Wars (including the Holocaust!), and the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers who, together with their father, tried to thwart the efforts of the network on American soil.

Sabbatean/Frankists, also referred to as the "Cult of the All-Seeing Eye" (look on the back of your one dollar bill to begin to understand their influence in YOUR life), are political and religious chameleons. They are everywhere. Everywhere where there is power. They are the good guys AND the bad guys. The World War Two era is a prime example. The following leaders were members of the "Cult of the All-Seeing Eye" (Sabbatean/Frankists): Franklin D. Roosevelt; Winston Churchill; Adolph Hitler; Eugenio Pacelli (Pope Pius XII); Francisco Franco; Benito Mussolini; Hirohito and Mao Tse-Tung."


If Mr. Shack is correct, historians, educators and journalists collaborate in this satanic conspiracy by upholding a false reality and distracting us from the truth. Our world, our perception of the human experience, are shaped by an occult secret society. Our culture is an elaborate psy-op.

Obviously, the Sabbateans and their descendants should consume our study. (Instead, they are hidden from view.) They were decisive in the so-called "Enlightenment," "secularism" and "modernism," which are but baby steps to their Satanism.

According to Rabbi Marvin Antelman, they believe sin is holy and should be practised for its own sake. Since the Messiah will come when people either become righteous or totally corrupt, the Sabbateans opted for debauchery: "Since we cannot all be saints, let us all be sinners."

Their blasphemous benediction "who permits the forbidden" later became the Illuminist "do as thou wilt" the expression of their "religious" feeling. Totally amoral, they believe the "end justifies the means." ("To Eliminate the Opiate,"Vol. 2 p. 87)

In 1756, Jacob Frank and his followers were excommunicated by the rabbis. Antelman says the Sabbateans were behind the Reform, Liberal and Revolutionary Movements of the Nineteenth century. They were also behind the Reform and Conservative movements in Judaism, including the "Haskalah" i.e. assimilation. In other words, many Jews may be influenced by the Sabbateans and not even know it.

That is their tactic. They don’t advocate Satanism. They gently steer you that way by questioning the existence of God, by demanding "sexual liberation," "independence" for women, "internationalism," "diversity" and "religious toleration."


We think "free sex" is "progressive and modern." In fact, they have partly inducted us into their cult. The Sabbatean sect has indulged in wife sharing, sex orgies, adultery and incest for more than 350 years. They also promoted interracial sex.

Antelman cites the proceedings of a rabbinical court where Shmuel, son of Shlomo tearfully confessed he had rejected the Torah and had encouraged his wife to have sex several times with Hershel. "I am guilty. She did not want to." (111)

Sexual abandon is characteristic of Communism, a direct outgrowth of Sabbateanism. Jacob Frank pimped his beautiful wife to recruit influential men. Female members of the Communist Party were used in the same way.

An anecdote that has always bothered me is pertinent. In "The Other Side of Deception" Mossad defector Victor Ostrovsky described how the Mossad relax. At a party, the staff, including many unmarried young females, congregated around a pool, totally naked.


The influence of the Sabbatean conspiracy is hidden in plain sight. For example, the term "Holocaust" is used without regard to its true meaning. Rabbi Antelman states that before World War Two, it meant "burnt offering" as in sacrifice. (p.199)

He quotes Bruno Bettleheim who says "calling the most callous, most brutal, most horrid. most heinous mass murder a 'burnt offering' is a sacrilege, a profanation of God and man." (205)

Whose sacrifice was it? For what purpose? Obviously, it has something to do with the Sabbateans' occult practice. Every time we use that word, we unwittingly join in their sacrilege.

According to Antelman, the Sabbateans hated Jews and sought their extinction. He cites rabbis who warned as far back as 1750 that if the Jews didn’t eradicate the Sabbateans, they would be destroyed by them. (209)

And indeed when some Jews tried to save European Jewry from genocide, Antelman says "the conservative and reform communities [in the US] went their merry way ignoring these activities. So called establishment organizations like the American Jewish Congress, American Jewish Committee, and B'nai Brith did virtually nothing." (217)


Sabbateans only marry within their demonic sect. They often marry rich, influential Gentiles. Thus, the Fourth Baron Rothschild (Jacob's) mother was not Jewish nor is his wife.

Another example is Al Gore's daughter Karenna's 1997 marriage to Andrew Schiff, the great grandson of Jacob Schiff. Gore's father was a Senator sponsored by Armand Hammer (Occidental Petroleum) whose own father was the founder of the American Communist party. Like Hitlery and Dubya, Al Gore is another Illuminati agent. His Nobel Prize proves it. David Icke has a list of Satanists and it is just a beginning.


Mankind is in the grip of a vicious Satanic cult whose power is so great, they can make us see their war against humanity as normal and inevitable. Even when their plot is exposed, they can convince everyone that it is racist and in bad taste to believe it. They have the public masturbating to porn while they erect a police state.

Western society is morally bankrupt. This tightly knit cult controls politics, information and culture. Most leaders are dupes or traitors. The "Intelligentsia" has been bribed while the public lives in a fool's paradise.

Like most nations and religions, Jews have been subverted from within. Zionists are pawns of the Sabbateans who used the "holocaust" to engineer the creation of Israel. Millions of Jews may have been "sacrificed" to create a Sabbatean Homeland, a "burnt offering" to Satan.

God gave man Life: a Miracle full of inherent Beauty and Meaning. He gave us everything we need to develop according to his Plan.

But people who think limitless power and wealth are better than infinite love have hijacked humanity. They want to spoil our Divine Rendezvous and enslave us instead. This is the real meaning of our politics and our time.


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Henry Makow Ph.D. is the author of "Cruel Hoax: Feminism and the New World Order." ( His articles can be found at his web site He enjoys receiving comments, some of which he posts on his site using first names only.

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Discuss Latest World News / What Every Jew (and Non-Jew) Should Know
« on: July 23, 2007, 03:09:54 AM »

Henry Makow Ph.D. – July 22, 2007

A Chicago-area scholar, Christopher Jon Bjerknes, 42, thinks he knows what plagues mankind and believes his knowledge is necessary to stop Armageddon.

He says a heretical cult, the "Shabataian Frankists," controls organized Jewry, including Zionism and Freemasonry. They began as followers of Shabatai Zvi (1626-1676) and later Jacob Frank (1726-1791.) They believe Shabatai was the Messiah (God) and his soul has transmigrated down to the Rothschild dynasty, who are now the "king of the Jews."

According to their messianic system, Redemption requires that the Rothschilds become God, i.e. king of the world. This will see the sacrifice of 2/3 of all Jews and the destruction and enslavement of the rest of mankind. Bjerknes believes this demented creed actually is the motive force behind history, including all wars, and world government.

Bjerknes (B-YERK-NES) is proud of his Norwegian Jewish heritage, (his maternal grandfather, a famous musician, was Jewish.) He has written two massive books – one about Albert Einstein as a plagiarist, and another about the Shabataian inspired Armenian Genocide – that include hundreds of pages of suppressed Jewish history. They can be found as PDFs at his web site.

I think he exaggerates the importance of Jewish messianism but I may be wrong. His message is compelling and consistent with the Protocols of Zion where the author (whom I believe is Lionel Rothschild) talks about coming into his "kingdom."

The Shabataians believe their king is duty bound to restore the Jews to Israel and exterminate the Gentiles. They believe the Messiah won’t appear until the world succumbs to evil and are determined to make this prophecy self-fulfilling. Thus evil is good. In Bjerknes' view, this constitutes a "Jewish war against humanity." When Bjerknes refers to Jewish, he means "Shabataian."

The Shabataians are often sexual degenerates who engage in wife swapping, orgies and incest. They often pretend to be Christians or Moslems to worm their way into Gentile society in order to destroy it. ("Jewish Genocide of Armenian Christians," pp.64-65.)

Bjerknes cites Deuteronomy as an example of this Jewish supremacism: "the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. " (7-16) "And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of you." (28:10)

He points to Zachariah [13;8-9] as evidence that 2/3 of all Jews will be slaughtered: "And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein."

[9] "And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God." (He also cites Ezekiel 5:12-13 to this effect.)

On pp. 43-46 of "Jewish Genocide", Bjerknes cites references from the Talmud and the Old Testament to the extermination and enslavement of Gentiles.

For example ,Genesis 25;23, and 27;38-41 promises the Gentiles to the Jews as their slaves and slave soldiers, and gives an incentive to exterminate the Gentiles simply because they dare resent their fate.


At the beginning of the 19th century the Rothschilds started campaigning to return the Jews to Israel, purchasing land there and scheming to breakup the Ottoman Empire. They later bought the Suez Canal to project their power into the Middle East. Bjerknes writes:

"The ruin of the Turkish Empire and the mass murder of the Armenian Christians were one step on the long and tumultuous Jewish march toward the death of mankind. The ruin of the Russian empire was another, followed by the repeated destruction of Europe, particularly Germany in the World Wars this Jewish cult created in an attempt to artificially fulfill Messianic prophecy and force the Jews of Europe against their will to flee to Palestine." (66)

According to Bjerknes, Jewish support was the only thing lacking in the the Rothschilds' plan to establish a world government in Jerusalem, with them as king:

"They could bankrupt Egypt and Turkey. They could bring Russia to ruins. They could buy Jewish ne'er-do-wells. They could even buy the Pope but the only way to force Jews in large numbers to Palestine was to put Hitler and Stalin in power and persecute Jews on a massive and unprecedented scale." (291)


Bjerknes has a poignant warning to Christians:

"In the Jewish dominated media of today, we find many Jews preaching to the public that the end times are coming and that Christians ought to view their own destruction in a positive light as if it were the divine fulfillment of Christian and Jewish prophecy. Many Christians have been duped by these charlatan...the destruction of the world and its nations is occurring as the result of the deliberate intervention of immensely wealthy Jews and not as the result of God's will. These Jewish leaders view the Hebrew Bible as a plan, which they are deliberately fulfilling.... (327)


As my readers know I see the New World Order as an elite conspiracy driven primarily by the central bankers' need to consolidate their monopoly on credit and power. I believe there is a strong "Jewish" element but that they have co-opted all gentile elites using intermarriage, Freemasonry (run by the Illuminati), and Aryanism. Look at the Gentile membership of the Illuminati Skull and Bones for example. Bjerknes doesn't think the Illuminati is still in business and downplays the Gentile role.

In an email, Bjerknes writes that intermarriage is part of the "Jewish" strategy:

"I believe that powerful Jewish interests have been deliberately attempting to fulfill Jewish messianic prophecy for 2,500 years and have duped many Gentiles into helping them obtain their objectives. They have also recruited many Gentiles through intermarriage, friendship and selfish interests, who are not dupes, but commit inhuman acts out of greed, vanity, or for other immoral reasons. Do they believe that what they are doing is evil? I suspect some do.

I am not opposed to identifying secret societies and the ties among the elite. I simply do not see any justification for calling them Illuminati. As for the overall path of politics and the faces of those who are pushing the cart toward WW III, I think I and countless others have proven that it is a Jewish movement, and that the Illuminati were nothing but a small part of this Jewish movement to gin up an apocalypse, which dates back at least 2,500 years. Of course not everything happening today has a Jewish hand steering its course. But I do believe that powerful Jewish interests ...have the ability to exert more influence than all other groups combined, for the very reason that they have infiltrated so many organizations, religions and governments, and have such disproportionate influence in the media."


I wouldn’t be presenting Bjerknes' argument if I didn’t agree that it is important to examine Jewish messianism. If world events indeed are driven by the Rothschild's megalomania propped up by Shabataian ,Old Testament and Talmudic fanaticism, I think Jews and non-Jews alike would want to know, and take exception.

Certainly the role of Jewish Rothschild agents in advocating for the Iraq war and an attack on Iran is consistent with the profile above.

If Bjerknes is right, "anti-Semitism" is exposed as psychological warfare designed to disarm opposition to an insidious tyranny by portraying it as racist. It is also used to manipulate Jews who have been opposed to the Rothschild's insane agenda, and victims of it.

Related: Hitler Used Rothschild Banker's Typewriter for "Mein Kampf"

Henry Makow Ph.D. is the inventor of the game Scruples and author of "A Long Way to go for a Date." His articles exposing fe-manism and the New World Order can be found at his web site He enjoys receiving comments, some of which he posts on his site using first names only.

General Issues / Questions / Obama? Obama who? What's an Obama?
« on: January 25, 2007, 03:44:53 AM »
My name is Edgar J. Steele.  This is a Nickel Rant.

Obama?  Obama who?  What's an Obama?

Reasonable questions, all.  Pay attention now, because these are the exact, same questions as:

"George?  George who?  His daddy was who?"

Or:  "Clinton?  Who the hell is Bill Clinton?"

Come on - surely you remember that George W. Bush appeared quite suddenly from out of nowhere, with everybody in the media conceding him the inside track to the Republican nomination for President, opposing Al Gore? 

All at once, George W. Bush had the biggest campaign war chest in history and was touted as likely to oust the Democrats and restore Republican rule.  When I heard that, my question - almost rhetorically - was, "George who?"

Same thing for Bill Clinton, excepting only the war chest - he's a Democrat, after all.

What's an Obama?

From where in the world do you suppose these guys suddenly appear?   When his name first came up recently, I said, "Obama?  What's an Obama?"

Do you see a pattern emerging?

Then I learned that Obama is Black - well, at least, he looks a little Black ... unless your reception is fuzzy, then he looks and sounds like yet another dyed-in-the-wool Communist yuppie liberal. 

Obama?  Yomama!

Now, upon reflection, I find myself saying, "Obama?  Yomama!" 

Or, as we used to say back on the island:  "Neva' hachee, tomadachee!"  Yeah, that's a reach, but you get the idea.  It's a derogation of the Japanese spoken by the natives of Miyako Jima, the tiny island southwest of Okinawa where the US government sent me to make my stand in defense of The American Way and against the Communist hordes during the Viet Nam war. 

To quote Richard Nixon's defense of the American buildup in Viet Nam:  "We're fighting them there, so we don't have to fight them here!"  My personal favorite aphorism from the Nixon era:  "If we allow North Viet Nam to overrun South Viet Nam, then the Communists will overrun all of Asia and then Europe before we have to fight them right here in America." 

Good thing we won that war, else we'd be speaking Vietnamese in Los Angeles today.  Oh...that's right - we lost that war, didn't we?  And we are speaking Vietnamese in Los Angeles today.  Those of us who don't speak Mestizo or Gangbonics, that is.

Sticks and Stones

Well, no matter.  This time, it really is true, they tell us:  "If we let the Muslims win in Iraq," - or Afghanistan, or Iran, or whatever pile of Middle-Eastern rubble it is that we happen to be bombing back into the Stone Age this week - "Islam will take over the entire Middle East, then the Asian subcontinent, then Europe." 

Before you know it, we'll be going hand to hand with ragheads in the streets of Boise.  Good thing we're winning in Iraq today! 

What's that?  You say we're not winning the war in Iraq?  Didn't Bush himself proclaim, after jetting onto that aircraft carrier, resplendent in his crisp little olive-drab flight suit, upon clambering down from the cockpit and strutting across the flight deck:  "Mission Accomplished?"  That was how many thousands of American servicemen lives ago? 

Incidentally, do you suppose George was the guy handling the stick during that landing?  No, the airplane stick - get your mind out of the gutter.  That's what he does in the Oval Office, after all.

Why, He's a Muslim!

Lessee now - where was I?  Oh, yes - Obama. 

"Why, he's a Muslim!" screams Jewish avenger Michael Wiener, claiming that Obama was a card-carrying Islamist as a youth because of a school he once attended. 

Incidentally, did you know that Wiener has his voice reprocessed for his daily syndicated radio show, to deepen it and remove much of that characteristic Jewish whine?  What's that?  Who?  Oh.  You probably know him by his stage name, which also is reprocessed to remove the characteristic Jewish whine:  Michael Savage. 

Y'know, since all these media Jews change their names so as to hide their Jewishness from us, obviously they don't want us to know they really are Jews.  In other words, they clearly agree with those of us who warn you about them.  But that's a rant for another day.

Is There a Fine for Allitering?

Obama.  That's today's topic.  Obama.  Yomama.  Has a nice, synchronistic ring to it, doncha think - what is it they call it in poetry - alliteration?  Is there a fine for alliterating, do you suppose?

Somebody must figure that Americans will vote for a Black guy, because Obama seems to be getting the same runup that I saw accorded both of our last two Presidents.  Not that it matters, since it has been proven unnecessary for us to bother driving to the polls anymore - after all, they prevote for us.  How modern.  How....American.

Here's the point of today's rant:  In the darkness of American polling booths, a Black stands little chance of having his levers pulled by White America.  Even a Black man who just might be fairer to White America than the despicable White and Jewish scum disgracing White House corridors in recent years. 

Would We Call It The Black House?

If Obama were to win, would it become known as the Black House, do you suppose?  We will never know.  I don't care what anybody says.  Agree or disagree - in your heart, you know it is the truth.  Obama?  Yomama!   

Except for that prevoting I mentioned, of course. 

Now, let's get really clear why it is that Obama stands no chance.  His skin color is the least of it, actually.  Those who run America dare not put a Black into the Presidency simply because they cannot be absolutely certain of his allegiance. 

A Black President might actually respond to Black pressures, after all.  Or, he might prove to have principles and a sense of allegiance to the Constitution, both of which are what removed Colin Powell from Presidential contention previously, you may recall.  Many American Blacks who have suffered true discrimination (and the number is infinitely smaller than you have been led to believe) have developed a genuine sense of fairness, even.  Can't have that.

Pliable and Obedient Belly-Crawling Lickspittles

On the other hand, America's tried-and-true White candidate-selection process yields up pliable and obedient, belly-crawling lickspittles, craven cowards every one, endlessly anxious to do the bidding of Israel and its Jewish masters, who also make up the majority of America's masters (and the masters of virtually every other Western nation, incidentally).

Are There Black Herrings?

So, you see, Michael Wiener/Savage's comments - not to mention those of several other carefully-placed media voices attached to names that rhyme - are a red herring.  The Chosen aren't really worried about Obama being a sleeper Muslim, carefully secreted within our midst and programmed to go Islam when he reaches the apparent pinnacle of American power. 

Obama isn't a Muslim, of course.  He is a politician, meaning a self-aggrandizing opportunist devoted solely to the greater glory of ... himself.  And a liberal of the first order, meaning a virtual Communist.  And (dare I say it?), he is White, or an "Oreo," as the bruthas would refer to him, meaning Black on the outside and White on the inside.

Problem is, our masters can't attack Obama for being Black.  After all, diversity - meaning just the opposite in modern Newspeak, of course - is the single most effective weapon they have found for prying traditionally-White fingers from the levers of power.  Thus the cry, "Why, he's a Muslim!" 

Obviously, the adage that you can't have your cake and eat it, too, does not originate in things Yiddish.

Hillary...of Course

How else do you suppose the Democrats intend to justify anointing Hillary for 2008? 

Obama?  Yomama!  Go ahead - say it right out loud.  You know you want to.  It's fun!  Besides, you'll feel better, believe me.  Here, I'll say it right along with you:  Obama?  Yomama!

That raises another interesting question:  Will men or, for that matter, women, pull a woman's levers in the darkness of a polling booth?  Probably not, which is why money-grubbing, oil-robbing, kid-killing (properly-descriptive words fail me at this point) Republicans will continue in control for the foreseeable future.  Assuming there is another American presidential election, that is.  Or, assuming there is an America in which to hold such an election.  But, those all are rants for other days.  So few days, so much to rant about.

My name is Edgar J. Steele.  Thanks for listening.  Please visit my web site,, for other messages just like this one.

Copyright ?2007, Edgar J. Steele

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