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I came across this thread by chance while doing a search via Google. According to the Quran, the plural form YaTaMa is masculine, since the unambiguous pronouns referring to them are masculine.

2:220 (laHUM)
4:2 (amwalaHUM)
4:6 (balağU)


If hajj is debate, then why do we need to shave our heads for just a debate???

I have not been here since few years... I came accross this discussion by chance.

Here is my brief answer:

Hajj is annual conference where peacemakers discuss social, political and economic issues among themselves. Participants should be groomed. Long hair and beard might be difficult to clean and might create lice, etc problem... The instructions and prohibitions during hajj conference have good reasons RELEVANT to the event.


Edip Yuksel is in Toronto

Accept the truth so that it will set you free!
An activist for Peace, Justice and Progress, Edip is inviting Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus as well as Agnostics and Atheists to a philosophical and theological discussion!

May 16, 2014 Friday,@ 5:30PM ? 8:00PM
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Reasoning, Freedom, Justice, Peacemaking, Moderation, Hope/Faith. Promoted by Abraham, Buddha, Socrates, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad?
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Muhammed peygamber bug?n gelseydi, Hanefi, Şafii, Maliki, Hanbeli, Selefi, Wehhabi, Ahmedi, Caferi, Zeydi, Nakşi, Kadiri, Sufi, Nurcu ve diğer mezhep ve tarikatların ruhbanları, din adamları ve liderleri tarafından m?rted, deccal ve zındık olarak ret edilecek ve ?l?m? i?in fetva verilecekti.
May 18, 2014 Sunday,@ 5:30PM ? 7:30PM
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If Prophet Muhammed came today, he would be declared an apostate and a heretic by the religious leaders and scholars of Hanafi, Shafii, Maliki, Hanbali, Salafi, Wahhabi, Ahmadi, Cafari, Zaydi, Naqshi, Qadiri, Jerrahi Sufi, Nurcu and other sects and orders. They would issue fatwa for his death! Jesus would be declared as an Anti-Christ by Catholics and Protestants as well.
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I posted the following video on this subject with the following notes:

My colleague Kassim Ahmad has been arrested at age 81 for criticizing the professional religious class, be it Sunni or Shiite. It is shame for Malaysia to punish a brave intellectual for criticizing hadith and professional religious class, which prime cause of backwardness, ignorance, violence and oppression in the so-called muslim world. Kassim has very limited income and I lost communication with him several years ago due to his email being hacked by the followers of the sunni clerics.

Please stage rallies and demonstrations against Malaysian Consulates closest to you. Please sign the petition here:

Here are a few links providing information on this outrageous injustice against brother Kassim.

Links for more articles can be found at the forum of my colleague Layth al-Shaiban's website forum.

Submitters / Code 19 / Re: Spelling of W6A1H9D4
« on: March 06, 2013, 01:42:32 PM »

God shows both ways. It is up to us to pick the right one. Obviously you have picked the "19 Guardians of Hell" while I picked the "a proclemation to people", "warning", "increasing the faith" and the "one of the greatest signs".


Submitters / Code 19 / Spelling of W6A1H9D4
« on: March 05, 2013, 10:04:31 PM »
One of the oldest pages of a manuscript in Egypt's National Museum in Cairo spells the WAHiD with Alif in verse 37:4.

This demonstrates that devils while adding numerous Alifs in manuscripts (not the quran, a numerically coded book!) they subtracted one from WAHiD.

Folios contains Surahs Ya-Sin, 72-83 and Al-Saffat, 1-14. Script: Mashq (one of the earliest dated Qur'anic manuscripts and written on vellum. The vowels are indicated by red dots and diacritical by short strokes. No aya markers and no surah headings). Location: Egyptian National Library, Cairo, Egypt.

It contains Surah division and most likely the aya markers are not visible because the quality of the picture is low; they are usually done with ink in light color.

The "WAHiD" is the second word from the left end of the 4th line in the second page (Saffat 37:4).

General Issues / Questions / Re: Muslim = Peacemaker or Submitter?
« on: January 08, 2013, 10:46:09 PM »
Thanks Sushi for sharing the link.

Fallen Angel, although the article provides some of the main arguments, it is a little out of date.

The latest arguments showing that muslim=peacemaker can be found in the following Arabic book:

I think that even Edip Yuskel who had founded the Submitters sect with Rashad Khalifa has changed his mind and now believe that the word means peacemaker.



First my last name is Yuksel.

At a time when I was considering the "peacemaker" as the primary meaning of the word, I read your article, which contained good arguments. I thank you for that, Ayman.


Asia/Middle East/Africa / Re: Any Iranian here? I need help
« on: January 04, 2013, 05:22:20 PM »
Contact me via email ( providing me some specific information, real name, address, phone number, paypal adderss etc) and I will check what I can do for you.

If you are lying you will be in trouble.


General Issues / Questions / Re: 5+ Minute Challenge to tickle young brains
« on: December 17, 2012, 02:11:51 PM »

What is your definition of definition? What does Stop mean? What does mean mean? What is the weight of an average redherring?


General Issues / Questions / 5+ Minute Challenge to tickle young brains
« on: December 17, 2012, 01:35:22 PM »
I have challenged college students to engage in dialogue as a response to the Islamophobia and Quran-burning incidents promoted by wrong-wing evangelical warmongers and Zionists. Here you will see a few sessions with seven students in front of small groups of audiences.


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