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General Issues / Questions / Re: She's Not Naked !!!
« on: December 22, 2013, 03:51:03 AM »

I had boys throwing stones at me a while ago after I slapped one of them in the face when they were trying to harass me. In general, kids here harass anyone who looks in any way different, it doesn't necessarily have to do with clothing. I hear obscenities daily and even when I'm covered from head to toe.

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General Issues / Questions / Re: She's Not Naked !!!
« on: December 22, 2013, 01:52:54 AM »
This thread is as long as it is, because the men are afraid of losing their authority over the women. They are afraid of losing their ability to guilt us into dressing a certain way. It's all about control.

That's exactly what it is about. And that's why some men on here get so emotional, aggressive, and insulting. They can't deal with the fact that we don't take their attempts at shaming and scaring us seriously.


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General Issues / Questions / Re: She's Not Naked !!!
« on: December 22, 2013, 01:02:42 AM »
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BUT Allah does not give them freedom to claim it is from Allah.

This is getting childish and ridiculous.


 Going to the beach in a bikini is absolutely okay with Allah.         :sun:


There, I said it. You believe God doesn't give me the freedom to do so, fine. That doesn't affect my opinion or the fact that you can't censor me. Salam.




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General Issues / Questions / Re: She's Not Naked !!!
« on: December 22, 2013, 12:21:00 AM »

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They are FREE to do what they want, but they are NOT FREE to claim it is from Allah.

Of course *they* are free to claim it's from God, and *they* are doing so. There's nothing you can do to take this freedom away.

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General Issues / Questions / Re: She's Not Naked !!!
« on: December 21, 2013, 11:18:27 PM »

Are you a man or a woman, mmmm? If you're male, why do you care what women wear on the beach? 

I'm starting to think the bikini must really be something very dangerous and powerful if the mere mentioning of wearing it provokes so many emotional responses from men, so much fear and anger and hatred. Interesting.
 :hmm


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General Issues / Questions / Re: She's Not Naked !!!
« on: December 21, 2013, 10:15:19 PM »
 :peace:

Why are there so many men coming to this thread telling women how to dress and where to go or not to go? It's bizarre. I can't for the life of me imagine entering a discussion about men's swimming attire, passionately insisting men *should* dress a certain way, or stay out of the public space.
 :wow
I doubt that any of the women participating in or reading this thread is going to change their mind because of any of the arguments they are reading here.

Those of you guys who feel that they are not capable of dealing with the temptation of seeing a woman in a bikini ? there's a simple solution. Just stay away from beaches and poolsides. You have absolutely no right to demand that we adjust our dress and behaviour based on your personal preferences, based on your male gaze. If you have a problem with women in bathing suits or short clothes that's just that ? *your* problem. Don't try to make it mine by shrouding your insecurities and inappropriate demands in phrases about religious obligation or social responsibility.

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General Issues / Questions / Re: She's Not Naked !!!
« on: December 21, 2013, 06:48:59 AM »
Why would a pious man/woman g? to a place where almost all people are atleast half-naked? How do a believer feel when she/he knows there are disbelieving men/women having sexual fantasies about your respected person?

Why would anyone go to a beach? Because it's wonderful to swim in the sea, feel and smell the air, be out in nature. I'm going to spend Christmas on my favourite beach here in Sinai and can't wait to go.

Regarding sexual fantasies ? I feel more violated walking the streets of Cairo fully dressed than being on a beach wearing a bikini.

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General Issues / Questions / Re: She's Not Naked !!!
« on: December 21, 2013, 06:29:25 AM »
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I'm not going to reply to the rest of your statements because it sounds very funny, and since it also clear that....


The fact that women have lots of "fear" (worriness) in themselves, is a clear proof that they lack of mental strength.

Women worry about everything, including shoes, makeup  and all tiny issues. They even worry what people think about them on those very small issues, which most men think is quite ridiculous.

Most of them even need to communicate or talk to people for releasing their tensions. They need someone to hear and listen to their feelings.

Further and in general, their accomplishment are not due to their self interest, but more because of they "fear" of something (humiliation, expectation from people they love, fear of not being accepted by society or co-workers, fear people will hate them, fear of no equal treatments etc.).

Fear and worriness is dominant in their life.

So instead of addressing my points you post a paragraph mocking and insulting women and claim you won't reply because women worry too much about each and everything? :hypno: What does one have to do with the other? It looks to me as if you're just looking for a way out because you're starting to realize that you don't really know how to present a credible counterargument.


 

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General Issues / Questions / Re: She's Not Naked !!!
« on: December 21, 2013, 05:56:15 AM »
So it is becoming an insult simply because I don't agree with your opinions? amazing...  :laugh:

Please re-read your own posts.

You wrote:

? Women possess "less mental strength", that's why men are "inventors and pioneers" and we supposedly aren't.

? We will stay with an abuser "even if he beats us to death". Tolerating abuse is a sign femininity, not of low self-esteem or psychological problems. So according to you, God created women to be doormats.

? Women have many problems with "self confidence" and "self esteem", and that's why they wear makeup and need pretty clothings etc.

? I'm lacking self-esteem, mental strength and "confidence in expressing my opininon".

Those statements are not merely an expression of a different opinion, they are patronizing and insulting.


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Women worry about everything, including shoes, makeup  and all tiny issues. They even worry what people think about them on those very small issues, which most men think is quite ridiculous. Most of them even need to communicate or talk to people for releasing their tensions. They need someone to hear and listen to their feelings. Further and in general, their accomplishment are not due to their self interest, but more because of they "fear" of something (humiliation, expectation from people they love, fear of not being accepted by society or co-workers, fear people will hate them, fear of no equal treatments etc.). Fear and worriness is dominant in their life.

I don't worry about shoes or makeup and know few women who do.  :hmm

I established a successful career because I absolutely love what I'm doing and find fulfillment in it, not out of fear of humiliation ? what an absurd idea.

I know countless men who could be described exactly the way you're describing women above. What in the world makes you think that you are an expert on women and know us better than we know ourselves?




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General Issues / Questions / Re: She's Not Naked !!!
« on: December 21, 2013, 05:48:46 AM »
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Abused by women or their wife? I guess you are taking 1-2 cases as your authority against the general conditions of life known by billions of people, and since thousand years ago ... which I find it is not a reasonable conclusion or not a serious argument, logically speaking.

Unfortunately, your assumptions are wrong. If you don't believe me I suggest you use google and educate yourself. Here are a few links to get you started:

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About two in five of all victims of domestic violence are men, contradicting the widespread impression that it is almost always women who are left battered and bruised, a new report claims.

Men assaulted by their partners are often ignored by police, see their attacker go free and have far fewer refuges to flee to than women, says a study by the men's rights campaign group Parity.

The charity's analysis of statistics on domestic violence shows the number of men attacked by wives or girlfriends is much higher than thought. Its report, Domestic Violence: The Male Perspective, states: "Domestic violence is often seen as a female victim/male perpetrator problem, but the evidence demonstrates that this is a false picture."
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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence

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http://www.hiddenhurt.co.uk/male_victims_of_domestic_violence.html

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/domestic-violence-against-men/MY00557

http://www.helpguide.org/mental/domestic-violence-men-abused-by-women.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_against_men

http://www.news.com.au/national/hidden-epidemic-of-women-beating-up-men/story-e6frfkvr-1225869842575

http://jezebel.com/5509717/domestic-violence-are-women-as-abusive-as-men

Yes, men and boys get abused and this is not an exception but a sad reality. Men get abused by other men, and they also get abused by women.

There are many abusive women out there. Maternal abuse is a big issue in this world, and sons as well as daughters are suffering from it. I know you don't like to hear about these facts because they don't support your fantasies about soft, weak, and emotional women who are always loving and caring towards their offspring and spouse, but whether you like it or not, this is reality.

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