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#1
Off-Topic / Re: THE ISSUE OF PALESTINE
July 05, 2016, 07:18:52 PM
Peace:


QuoteHow I can say that they are being oppressed if there are many prosperous muslims.
oh, the hypocrites are loved, so they can send them back to work in muslim countries as their dogs.

I see that you are very ignorant, I live in Us and there is oppression. everybody of my relatives shoot guns and go hunting and post pictures in the internet, but if a muslim post a picture holding a gun, he is risking being pick up by the FBI and desapeared. And if your speech is too strong against them, they do to you a sting job on you, and if they cannot fool you, the get you for any reason, and you have no right to fair trial, or to a lawyer, they only disappear you.



I am still looking for a country to emigrate, because most of those who call themselves Muslim countries are dogs of the west. My options were narrowed to Syria and Iran, or among the controlled areas of Hezbollah, and now seems that only Iran.
#2
Off-Topic / WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT ISIS?
July 05, 2016, 07:05:38 PM
WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT ISIS?

If Isis were Muslim, it would be attacking Israel instead Syria. They say they want to liberate the oppressed people of Syria, but why not the one in Palestine and the Gaza strip, they are in more need of being liberated from their oppressor.

They claim to be Muslims, but they attack Hezbollah, the only Muslim group that makes the Israelites urinate in their pants.

Isis seems to be no more than a mercenary group gathered by those prostituting themselves with Israel, for no other reason than political and economic interest. The objectives of Isis seem to be:
To protect Israel by eliminating the link between Hezbollah and Iran. Nobody would dare to attack Iran as long as Syria and Hezbollah exist as its allies.
To gain control of Syria in order to build their dreamed pipeline to Europe from the Gulf States through Syria; thus, liberating Europe from the gas Shackles of Russia.
To gain political and economic control of Syria in order to turn it into a Sunni country serving lover Israel.
To destroy Islam by making it look as evil as the west has always imagined it to be, so that they can kill and torture any Muslim while their people rejoices about it.


Isis seems to be working for the Arabs, and for the master of the Arabs.

Note: not because you were born an Arabic speaker means you are an Arab. Only an ignorant would want to be called Arab knowing that God curses them in Quran.


May god increase our knowledge and give us wisdom
#3
Women's Issues / Re: WOMEN HEAD GARMENT
July 05, 2016, 06:58:45 PM
peace:

More verses:

42:51 And it is not given to mortal man that God should speak unto him otherwise than through sudden inspiration, or from behind a veil, or by sending an apostle to reveal, by His leave, whatever He wills [to reveal]: for, verily, He is exalted, wise.

It is unconceivable that God, glory be to Him, is covering His face with a black clothe leaving only a hole for one eye when He speaks to man. Use your reason people, do not let the corrupter dress you to their likes or dislikes.


May God increase our knowledge and give us wisdom.

#4
Marriage & Divorce / Re: UNLAWFUL SEX?
July 05, 2016, 06:53:13 PM
Peace:

To recognize the beauty on women is one thing, but not being able to control sexual desires and machinations when looking at women seems to be the beginning stages of a rapist. And, once the disease of such person worsens, not even children will be safe around him.
The book says that God turns those who do not believe into apes and pigs, and there are many here that resemble the Bonobo ape, whose life revolves around sex.

Many snakes are given the ability to climb, and they can be found near the nesting birds of heaven, yet that is not their natural habitat, and they are there only to eat the newly hatching birds.

I guess the conjecturers have forgotten about my warnings, and they are back wasting my post with their idle/ vain talk. nothing of essence, but only their excrement.

51:10 Accursed be the conjecturers
#5
Marriage & Divorce / Re: UNLAWFUL SEX?
July 05, 2016, 06:47:51 PM
More verses:

4:23 Forbidden to you are your mothers, and your daughters, and your sisters, and your aunts paternal and maternal, and a brother's daughters, and a sister's daughters; and your milk-mothers, and your milk-sisters; and the mothers of your wives; and your step-daughters - who are your foster children - born of your wives with whom you have consummated your marriage; but if you have not consummated your marriage, you will incur no sin [by marrying their daughters]; and [forbidden to you are] the spouses of the sons who have sprung from your loins; and [you are forbidden] to have two sisters [as your wives] at one and the same time - but what is past is past: for, behold, God is indeed much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace.
4:24 And all married women other than those whom you rightfully possess [through
wedlock]: this is God's ordinance, binding upon you. But lawful to you are all [women] beyond these, for you to seek out, offering them of your possessions, taking them in honest wedlock, and not in fornication. And unto those with whom you desire to enjoy marriage, you shall give the dowers due to them; but you will incur no sin if, after [having agreed upon] this lawful due, you freely agree with one another upon anything [else]: behold, God is indeed all-knowing, wise.


The phrase in 4:24, ?     إِلاَّ  except   مَا what    مَلَكْتَ owns    أَيْمَانُكُمْ  your right hands/ oats /covenants  ,? does not seem to mean that it is lawful to have sex slaves. Those perverted interpretations always create many contradictions in the books. Even the Torah says that if a man is attracted to his slave he can take her as his wife, or marry her to his son, and, beyond the corruption, it does not seem to allow sex slaves. The phrase in 4:24 seems to mean wives to whom a man is legally married, and he is not retaining by force, from those 4:23 and 4:24 describe as forbidden. This, being applicable only when the law was revealed, or when a man becomes Muslim and his wife is one of those cases, because ?but what is past is past: for, behold, God is indeed much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace.?

May God increase our knowledge and give us wisdom
#6
Marriage & Divorce / Re: UNLAWFUL SEX?
July 05, 2016, 06:46:19 PM
Peace:

comrox:
QuoteWhere do you derive your understanding that when a partner becomes a disbeliever, a divorce must take place?
your words tell me that you are not even Muslim, Peace woman, I do not seek the ignorant, and God dislikes idle talk.

Timotheus:
Quoteyou said this: "God says in Quran that those who already call themselves muslim will be more willing to listen" where is this in the quran?
30:53And you cannot guide the blind away from their error. You will only make hear those who believe in Our verses so they are Muslims(submitted ones). However, you have to understand that there are some that have submitted(muslims) to God in obedience through the Torah  from the Jews(very few, they are cursed), and from the Nazarenes(which many interpret as christian). Check, my post True christians and jews according to Quran.

Quotemaybe i am misunderstanding, but does this statement not answer its self? they are divorcing because there are not interacting with the opposite sex.. i.e not talking to each other.
in the west we interact with the opposite sex since we are born, and for many sex is like eating, from around the age of 13. So, if they have the highest divorce rate is not for lack of interaction between sexes. But because their relationships begins always begin acting/lying to each other, and when they get tire of acting, they show their real self, and they divorce. How can they have a good communication if everything is lies. They are people that live by their desires, and their desires constantly change, thus, marriage is not for them.

Peace.
#7
IS THE EARTH FLAT

13:3 And it is He who has spread the earth wide and placed on it firm mountains and running waters, and created thereon two sexes of every [kind of] plant;7 [and it is He who] causes the night to cover the day. Verily, in all this there are messages indeed for people who think!

78:6 HAVE WE NOT made the earth a resting-place [for you], (7) and the mountains [its] pegs?
21:30 ARE, THEN, they who are bent on denying the truth not aware that the heavens and the earth were [once] one single entity, which We then parted asunder?  - and [that] We made out of water every living thing? Will they not, then, [begin to] believe? 21:31 And [are they not aware that] We have set up firm mountains on earth, lest it sway with them, and [that] We have appointed thereon broad paths, so that they might find their way, (21:32) and [that] We have set up the sky as a canopy well-secured? And yet, they stubbornly turn away from [all] the signs of this [creation], (21:33) and [fail to see that] it is He who has created the night and the day and the sun and the moon - all of them floating through space!

  13:3           وَهُوَ   And Him       ٱلَّذِى the one that         مَدَّ extended/extends (occurs fifteen times)      ٱلأَرْضَ  the earth ,       وَجَعَلَ and made/makes         فِيهَا in her(it)         رَوَاسِىَ  anchors        وَأَنْهَاراً  and rivers ,       وَمِن and of         كُلِّ every         ٱلثَّمَرَاتِ  the fruits    جَعَلَ made/makes         فِيهَا  in her(it)       زَوْجَيْنِ    coupled-ones  ٱثْنَيْنِ     two .     يُغْشِى  He is covering/enveloping        ٱلْلَّيْلَ   the night       ٱلنَّهَارَ the day;         إِنَّ  Verily        فِى  in        ذٰلِكَ this         لَـآيَاتٍ * signs         لِّقَوْمٍ   for people  [that]     يَتَفَكَّرُونَ they are reflecting/contemplating.

79:30   وَٱلأَرْضَ   and the earth      بَعْدَ after        ذٰلِكَ  this       دَحَاهَا spread out/ widened/ enlarged her(it) (occurs once in Quran)   


88:17  أَفَلاَ  Do then not      يَنظُرُونَ  they see/ contemplate     إِلَى at     ٱلإِبْلِ   the camels/ clouds   كَيْفَ  how   خُلِقَتْ   I have created
88:18 وَإِلَى  and at     ٱلسَّمَآءِ the heaven     كَيْفَ how رُفِعَتْ  I have raised
88:19   وَإِلَىٰ  and at   ٱلْجِبَالِ the mountains  كَيْفَ how  نُصِبَتْ  I have erected/ set up
88:20      وَإِلَى  and at    ٱلأَرْضِ the earth     كَيْفَ how     سُطِحَتْ I have spread out/ flattened (occurs only once)


All translators are translating the ending words of 88:17-20 the same way, as if they copied each other. How can they miss that the words are written in the perfect tense for ?I, you(masculine, feminine, singular), and she? , it is a basic rule. I almost made the same mistake because I was going to translate only 88:20, but I was inspired to translate from 88:17, and then I noticed it. Glory be to God.

People are twisting these verses to make them fit their poor understanding of the creation, but twisting the word of God does not make falsehood become truth.

How this world works is a very complex idea, and difficult to explain and understand. This, because things are not the way they are perceived, because what is perceived is an illusion created by the movement of the sun, moon, earth, relative to the position from where a person is observing. For example, in northern pole summer, in the Arctic circle, people say that the sun goes in a circle around them, but the sun is not moving, it is the turning of the earth that crates that illusion. The earth turns East/ counter clock.  And, the circle created in the arctic by the sum is also evidence that earth is a sphere not flat. Or, like the new moon, it will always be at the same place every month, about 16 degrees (approximately, too many threes around me, and use very simple tools) above/following/behind the sun at sunset, yet it has been there all day, but it is only visible until the sky darkens a little; and, they set to the west keeping the same distance, yet they are not moving, but it is us that stop seeing them because we are turning with the earth. Everybody in this world sees the same moon phase, and only at sunset, well those 24 hour from where it was first visible will see it a little bigger. Then, the moon increases its distance chasing the sun around 13 degrees per day until they cross at full moon, and then it is the sun chasing the moon. Then, the last moon, always visible before sunrise and above/ followed by the sun a few degrees; and it stays at the same distance from the sun all day, yet not visible after sunrise because there is too much light. However, all that it is only the illusion we see, and it is not what is really happening. What is really happening can be better explained by a 3d model using a lamp as the sun, or a video of the moon moving around the earth while the earth moves around the sun. Another example is the sun, is so far away that the diameter of the earth makes little difference in the illusion, so , for example: now that is summer (this is approximate), when it is midday in Texas, people in Europe(aprx 6 h to the east) is watching sunset, and people in the Marshall Islands (aprx 6 h to the west) is watching sunrise, which is also evidence that the world is a sphere shape. 

Also Quran says earth moon and sun follow their paths/ orbits, so the earth is moving.
In a gospel I have, P. Jesus says to his disciples that they shall turn around the light just as the planets turn around the sun.

May God increase our knowledge and give us wisdom.   

#8
Off-Topic / THE ISSUE OF PALESTINE
July 05, 2016, 05:52:34 PM
Peace:

THE ISSUE OF PALESTINE

Palestinians are some of the most oppressed people on earth, but how should believers act regarding that issue? Believers should act according to God?s law.

8:72 BEHOLD, as for those who have attained to faith, and who have emigrated and are striving hard, with their possessions and their lives, in God's cause, as well as those who shelter and succour [them] - these are [truly] the friends and protectors of one another. But as for those who have come to believe without having migrated [to your country] - you are in no wise responsible for their protection until such a time as they migrate [to you]. Yet, if they ask you for succour against religious persecution, it is your duty to give [them] this succour - except against a people between whom and yourselves there is a covenant: for God sees all that you do.

8:72 has the answers in how to act towards the Palestinian issue.

First, believers have to define if the majority of those living in Palestine or Gaza are believers. However, the majority of those living there today are Sunnis, and belonging to a sect equals disbelief. Also, many of them are already working for Israel, and are happy to serve Israel.
Second, it has to be defined if the Palestinians are being killed for the land, or just for calling themselves Muslim. This is in part difficult to define, because Israel seems to be interested only in the land. However, in order to get the foundation of the Jerusalem Temple they need to eliminate the faith too.


The only case scenario where believers are allowed to help the oppressed people is if the oppressor is oppressing the people for no other reason than being Muslims, which would apply more to EU and USA than to Palestine. However, the Israelites seem to be interested mainly on the land. Therefore, the few believers that could exist in that land should immigrate to a believing country, and wait until God grants power to the believers so that their enemies could be put humiliated at their feet. However, this issue gets complicated when deciding that the Jews shall not be allowed to touch Al-aqsa mosque.

In the case of Palestine, the believers will gain little in taking the land from the hypocrite Jews, who do not obey the Torah, just to put it in the hands of hypocrite Muslims, who do not obey the Quran. And, believers shall not sacrifice for the wellbeing of disbelievers. However, an attack on the Mosque is an attack on the Faith. And, according to the Gospel, the Jews shall not get anything back until they say blessed the one that comes in the name of the Lord, and keeping this promise seems to fall on the shoulders of believers.

May God increase our knowledge and give us wisdom
#9
Quranic Divinity / I OBEY ONLY THE QURAN
July 05, 2016, 05:43:09 PM
Peace:

I OBEY ONLY THE QURAN

Those of you who claim that you only obey the Quran, be truthful to your word, and obey it. Do not be like the hypocrite Christians that, when told to obey the Torah, they say: we only obey Jesus; thus bearing themselves witness of their hypocrisy.
P. Jesus, the gospels, clearly command to obey the torah to the letter, and after doing that, if the one submitted through the torah wants to be perfect; then, do what Gospel says.
Luke 10:25 and behold an interpreter of the law stood up to test him, saying ?teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 26 he said to him, ?what is written in the law? How do you read it?
Matthew 19:16 ?Good teacher, what good things shall I do that I may have eternal life? 17 So he said to him? ?keep the commandments.??20 the young man said, ?All this things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?  21 Jesus said, ? If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give it to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.?
Therefore, you who claim to only obey the Quran, do not be like the hypocrite Christians, and obey the Quran, if you are truthful. So, if there is an issue in which you do not find and answer/guidance in Quran; Example: how to sacrifice and bleed an animal, sodomites, abortion, kidnapping, rape, etc.; then, obey the Quran, and go look for guidance in the Torah.

3:2      ٱللَّهُ  The God    لاۤ  no    إِلَـٰهَ god     إِلاَّ except     هُوَ Him     ٱلْحَى The Living one     ٱلْقَيُّومُ The Constant.   
3:3     نَزَّلَ Descends    عَلَيْكَ upon you    ٱلْكِتَابَ the book    بِٱلْحَقِّ in the truth    مُصَدِّقاً a confirmation    لِّمَا  for what   بَيْنَ  between   يَدَيْهِ His hands (i.e. God?s plan);    وَأَنْزَلَ and descended     ٱلتَّوْرَاةَ  the Torah وَٱلإِنْجِيلَ  and the Gospel.
3:4مِنْ   of    قَبْلُ before/ in the past/ previously هُدًى guidance لِّلنَّاسِ  for the mankind;    وَأَنْزَلَ  and descended    ٱلْفُرْقَانَ the criterion;     إِنَّ verily     ٱلَّذِينَ the ones that     كَفَرُواْ they have denied /disbelieved     بِآيَاتِ in signs/verses/messages [of]  ٱللَّهِ The God, لَهُمْ  for them  عَذَابٌ torment   شَدِيدٌ   intense-one/ severe-one; وَٱللَّهُ  and The God  عَزِيزٌ  all-mighty  ذُو  owns  ٱنْتِقَامٍ retribution.   
                       

28:48And yet, now that the truth has come unto them from Us, they say, "'Why has he not beenvouchsafed the like of what Moses was vouchsafed?"But did they not also, before this, deny the truth of what Moses was vouchsafed? [For] they do say, "Two examples of delusion, [seemingly] supporting each other!" And they add, "Behold, we refuse to accept either of them as true!" 28:49Say: "Produce, then, [another] revelation from God which would offer better guidance than either of these two - [and] I shall follow it, if you speak the truth!"
(2:4) (believers are those) who believe in that which has been bestowed from on high upon thee, as well as in that which was bestowed before thee: for it is they who in their innermost are certain of the life to come!


Many will excuse themselves by claiming that the torah is corrupted. Is it that they think that God did not know the corruption in the Torah at the time of revelation, or that He did not know the corruption of the Torah at this time, or in the future from now? Those who believe that have gone far astray. They have not appreciated in its real magnitude the power of Allah, The Almighty, The Knowing, The Wise. Thus, Corruption in the books seems to be part of the test, for true believers will follow only the best of them. Think about it, if people do not find the answer/guidance for an issue in Quran, are they to take from the laws of man? In the west some are based in the scriptures, but, what if they live in India, or China? Then they will be totally perverted.

May God increase our knowledge and give us wisdom.
#10
Prophecies of the Quran / THE REFORMIST CASE
July 05, 2016, 05:39:13 PM
PEACE:

THE REFORMIST CASE

Main Book: Quran a reformist translation; Translated and annotated by Edip Yuksel, Layth Saleh, and Martha Schulted.
Their argument: Quran is not written in clear Arabic words, but in mathematical code.
Their Prophet: Rashad Kalifa
Accusation: twisting the word, and leading farther astray the already lost Muslim community.

Reformist is one of the latest sects competing for the sheep-like followers in the Muslim community. They are good at cutting the ears of their cattle so that it cannot listen.

According to the reformist, their messenger received revelation in 1974, in which he, and his disciples, were allowed to twist the whole idea of the message of Quran. They sound just like Paul in the bible.

They affirmed in Surat 74: ?Prophesy fulfilled?. Claiming that verse 74:30 translated by them as ?on it is nineteen? refers to the Quran and its 19 Code. Let?s analyze the verses around it, in order to show their corruption.

74:25  سَأُصْلِيهِ I will burn him/ cause him to suffer  سَقَرَ  SaQaR  74:26  وَمَآ  And what  أَدْرَاكَ  tells you مَا  what سَقَرُ  SaQaR [is] 74:27 لاَ No تُبْقِى  She spares وَلاَ and not تَذَرُ  she leaves   74:29 لَوَّاحَةٌ Scorcher/ burner (fem. Noun) لِّلْبَشَرِ for the human/ skin 74:30  عَلَيْهَا  over her   تِسْعَةَ عَشَرَ  nineteen 74:31  وَمَا And not جَعَلْنَآ we have made أَصْحَابَ guardians [of] ٱلنَّارِ the fire إِلاَّ except مَلاَئِكَةً  angels. وَمَا  And not  جَعَلْنَآ we have made عِدَّتَهُمْ  their number  إِلاَّ except  فِتْنَةً trial لِّلَّذِينَ for the ones that    كَفَرُواْ  they have disbelieved?
Verse 74:30 is clearly speaking about SaQaR  wich is presented as a synonym of Fire. It is impossible that 74:30 could be speaking about Quran, or even Kitab (the book), because it is talking about a feminine subject, and Quran and Kitab are masculine.

3:7 He [is] the one that descended upon you the book, مِنْهُ  of him(it)  verses/signs precise/well defined?
72:1 It has been revealed to me that a group of the Jin listened, they have said: verily we, we have heard a Quran wondrous.72:2  يَهْدِيۤ   he(it) guides  إِلَى over/to ٱلرُّشْدِ the good judgment/ correctness; فَآمَنَّا so, we have believed بِهِ in him(it) وَلَن  and never نُّشرِكَ we associating بِرَبِّنَآ with our Lord   أَحَداً anyone.
19:97 فَإِنَّمَا then, verily that  يَسَّرْنَاهُ we have facilitated him(it)  بِلَسَانِكَ in your language لِتُبَشِّرَ  to give good news   بِهِ with him(it)?
85:21 بَلْ  Nay هُوَ him(it)  قُرْآنٌ [is a] Quran    مَّجِيدٌ  [a] Glorious one.

         
They claim that verse 74:35 makes emphasis on the code 19 . However, 74:35 إِنَّهَا verily her(it)  لإِحْدَى  * one[of]/unique/alone  َ ٱلْكُبَرِ the greatest, it is still talking about the feminine subject SaQaR. Maybe SaQaR has a 19 code. Well, if the continue in their path, soon they will come to know.                       

They also claim more nonsense about Surat 74, they say: ??now we know that the word Saqar refers to an intellectual punishment. The extreme allergy and aversion demonstrated by Sunni and Shiite mushriks against the number 19 is part of the prophetic fulfillment of these verses.? They even dare to call people Mushriks, they should get the plank out of their eye, so that they can see the piece of grass in their brother?s eye.

They claim that the Quarn is numerically structured, and put as evidence 83:9,20, which they claim to say ?numbered record?. However, the word  مَّرْقُومٌ  Marqwm has a closer meaning to marked, inscribed, than to numbered. Furthermore, verse 89:9 is not talking about Quran, but about Sijyn, the record of the wicked, and verse 83:20 about I?lywn, the record of the pious.

They claim to even have the true interpretation of the mutashabih (resembling, allegorical) verses, because, as they claim, they are people well founded in knowledge. However, if the root is rotten, then the whole tree is sick.

Can their translation of Quran be trusted by believers? They say: ? To correct the egregious historical biases so obvious in previous English translations, we have chosen to take an inclusive approach incorporating input from scholars, lay readers, and even non-Muslims?? This people are a joke.

This people seem to be only in the business of creating controversial issues, and creating confusion in the community with respect to rituals commanded by God, in order to sell books.
2:11 If they are told ?Do not make evil in the land,? they say, ?but we are the reformers!?
2:12 No, they are evildoers, but they do not perceive.


May God increase our knowledge and give us wisdom.