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Quranic Divinity / Re: Which koran article
« on: October 16, 2008, 08:42:58 PM »
The truth of the matter however is that there are significant differences which cannot simply
be waived away or ignored?

For example:
2:125 in Hafs is وَاتَّخِ ُ ذوْا ?WatakhIzu? (You shall take) / In Warsh it is وَاتَّخَ ُ ذوْا
?WatakhAzu? (They have taken/made).

In 2:125 the subject being addressed is that of ?Maqam Ibrahim?. One version gives a
command/order, while the other states a historical fact/observation.
3:146 in Hafs is ≅tG≈s% ?Qatal? (Fought) / In Warsh it is ُقتِ َ ل ?Qutil? (Were Killed).
In 3:146 the difference is between a prophet and those with him being killed, while in the
other the difference only means that they fought by his side.
Verse counts for Hafs are 6236, while Warsh records 6214.

Muslims claim to know the time, place, and occasion that each verse was revealed in?Yet
between Hafs and Warsh they seems not to know even how many verses were originally
The question that presents itself is: ?Which did Gabriel reveal??

The above is directly from the article. It goes into more detail about the differences. i suggest u read it more thoroughly.

Quranic Divinity / Which koran article
« on: October 14, 2008, 01:40:21 AM »
Asalaamu Alaikum. This is an interesting and somewhat disturbing article i have read on

Has the koran been changed? I agree to distance ourselves from hadith for many reasons but if their is evidence of alteration in the koran y shouldnt we distance ourselves from it as well?

InshAllah u guys will help me answer this question because at the moment it is detrimental to my faith in the Koran.


interestin vid i watched. i know that the arabs have also done many atrocities and injustices as well but i think balance should remain when trying to find peace between the parties. This conflict is indeed one of the main causes of terrorism directed at America and the west. A just solution to this conflict is imperative for peace. lemme kno wat u guys think

General Issues / Questions / Re: Things not explained in the quran
« on: May 20, 2008, 10:33:56 AM »
It seems pagan to me as well. So we should make the pilgrimage as the quran says. and we should worship and think of Allah(swt) and pay our respects to the holy sites. Would this be the hajj actually mentioned in the quran? without pagan influences in the hadiths i mean. how would u do it?

General Issues / Questions / Re: Things not explained in the quran
« on: May 19, 2008, 12:34:45 PM »
Thank you wakas. I have read the quran. But ur right i do need to sit down and study it more. Thanx for the link. Peace

General Issues / Questions / Re: Things not explained in the quran
« on: May 18, 2008, 11:22:37 PM »
K thanx.. sorry new to the site.


General Issues / Questions / Things not explained in the quran
« on: May 18, 2008, 05:16:12 PM »
When conversing with my muslim friends and relatives about my belief in the quran alone as the authority a few questions always seem to pop up. An interesting statement my muslim relative, may Allah be pleased with him, makes is that Allah tells us in quran to pray and perform hajj but the hadiths tells us exactly how to perform these rituals and cleanse ourselves before. 

So heres questions to those that reject the hadiths and follow the quran alone.

How do you pray? the quran says to pray but doesnt really go into the ritual. Is surah fatiha necessary in your ritual


How do you perform hajj? Allah(swt) tells us in Quran that we should make the pilgrimage. What rituals should be done according to quran only.


Salaam all,

I breezed through the replies and saw a few more faq's needed.

Why did a religious leader spread his religion by sword

Why was Islam spread by sword

Why can men have sex with their slaves(what their right hand possess).

Muhammad(pbuh) influenced by satan leading to satanic verses in koran(after verses 19 and 20 ("Have you thought of Allāt and al-'Uzzā and Manāt the third, the other?")

General Issues / Questions / Re: Muhammad(pbuh)
« on: May 16, 2008, 09:59:06 PM »
valid point. thanx and salaam

General Issues / Questions / Re: Muhammad(pbuh)
« on: May 16, 2008, 12:46:15 PM »
How did islam spread that fast then. I mean i agree that the concept of one all powerful god sending prophets is simple and very convincing but i dont see how people can abandon the religions of their fathers so easily. it is a hard thing to break especially for entire populations. i can see maybe conquest of these lands but not the forced conversion of the populace. That must have come slowly and they saw the beauty in islam. But still conquests are barbaric and un-islamic.
Can u show that all Muhammad(pbuh) fought defensively only? Also the the night raids he made against meccan caravans casualties had to include women and children. This was economic warfare.
So was bin ladens attack on world trade center which included women and children casualties.

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