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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Why free-minds has translated Qur'an 2:171 differently?

« on: August 06, 2019, 07:56:10 AM »

Thanks good logic, mazhar, and iyyaka for the explanation!


Wasalam,
Ade

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Why free-minds has translated Qur'an 2:171 differently?

« on: August 02, 2019, 05:26:15 PM »

Salam all,

Recently I happen to do translation comparisons of verse 2:171 and I would like to understand the reasons behind the difference.

Majority of translations are like below:
2:171 The parable of those who disbelieve is that of someone who calls upon someone who hears nothing except screaming and yelling. Deaf, dumb, and blind—they do not understand.

FM translation is as below:
2:171 And the example of those who disbelieve is like one who repeats what he has heard of calls and cries; deaf, dumb, and blind, they do not comprehend.

From meaning perspective, to me FM translation is more coherent (in previous verse, the verse is informing us that some people refuse to follow what God revealed because they just follow what their fathers are doing) but I cannot seem to find the meaning of "repeat" in PRL.

Really appreciate if anyone can help on the explanation.


Wassalam,
Ade

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Prophecies of the Quran / Re: Gog and Magog - Possible location

« on: July 28, 2019, 05:49:28 AM »

Thanks Good Logic!

Your workaround works!

Hopefully the issue will be fixed soon


Wassalam,
Ade

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Prophecies of the Quran / Re: Gog and Magog - Possible location

« on: July 27, 2019, 11:40:25 PM »

Salam all,

I cannot see Layth's replies to quincy in this thread (I can only see that Layth was replying but the replies are shown as empty). Is it only me or some other also see the same? Any known solution to this technical issue? Please help.


Wassalam,
Ade

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Salat & Zakat (The Contact & Purification) / Re: Masjid & Musallah

« on: July 27, 2019, 11:18:38 PM »

peace,

Yes my understanding has changed as I was mistaken previously.

"musalli" does mean one who SLW

However "musallah" in 2:125 means "time/place of SLW" according to the Arabic grammar (from the info that I have gathered).

Thanks Wakas!


Wassalam,
Ade

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General Issues / Questions / Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran

« on: July 27, 2019, 08:39:55 AM »

Salam Ayman,

I just check the website: quran4peace.org

It seems the English version is not completed yet.

Looking forward to the English version.


Wassalam,
Ade

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Salat & Zakat (The Contact & Purification) / Re: Masjid & Musallah

« on: July 27, 2019, 08:32:44 AM »

From my studies...
"ma" in "maSJD" literally means implementation of SJD, commonly taken as place/mode/manner
"mu" in "musallah" literally means one who SLW

Salam Wakas,

Understand that this is an old thread so your understanding might already change ...the question that I have is: if "musallah" means one who SLW, how do we translate 2:125? And what about "musalli"? What is the difference between ""musallah" and "musalli"? The reason I am asking is because I understand "musalli" as one who SLW so if "musallah" also means the same then I would like to understand the differences.


Wassalam,
Ade

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Off-Topic / Re: I have given up on the Muslim community for this reason

« on: July 16, 2019, 08:54:58 AM »

Slight differences in understanding is negligible, but we have significant differences.

It does not matter whether the difference is only slightly different or significantly different. What I am saying is despite the differences, those N different people can all be guided by God at the same time. Do you agree or not?

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Off-Topic / Re: I have given up on the Muslim community for this reason

« on: July 16, 2019, 08:46:40 AM »

From my digging so far, illiteracy was more widespread among the Arabs than literacy. 1400 years ago, illiteracy was more common among human than now.

Can you please provide the reference from your digging?

OK, what you're saying is that we haven't reached the Qur'an level of understanding yet. And that if we fully understand the Qur'an, we'll see why it is perfect.

Ahh, I'm lost for word.

No ...that is not what I am saying ...I am saying your reasoning is very weak and I have given the illustration why I am saying so (which unfortunately you don't get)

Well, I'm not an Arabic speaker and even if I were, I couldn't produce a similar chapter because Qur'an Arabic dialect is not the same as mainstream Arabic dialect. That's like asking me to produce a chapter like Shakespeare.

The challenge is not limited to Arabic speaker. Turned out you are not truthful person when you say it is not from God.

[2:24] And if you cannot do this; and you will not be able to do this; then beware the Fire whose fuel is people and stones, it has been prepared for the rejecters.

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Off-Topic / Re: I have given up on the Muslim community for this reason

« on: July 15, 2019, 01:13:54 PM »

All through the ages, the Qur'an have been invoked for offensive war, wife beating, slavery, amputating thieves, gender inequality etc; but now in the 21st century, we have Muslims deny any of these are sanctioned by Qur'an. OK, agreed. But how did the previous Muslims come to accepts them as Qur'anic?

Because they take shahih hadith books as the implementation of Quran as practiced by Rasulullah which is part of God's revelation. Does that answer your question?

By the way why look in the distant past "previous Muslims"? Even today, present day sunnis are taking shahih hadith books as their religion and abandon Quran.

This is why it is very hard to be objective in reading the Qur'an. I don't believe I'm fully objective and none of the defendants of the Qur'an are objective as well.

Every individual is unique. You ask 2 people what their understanding of Quran, you will get 2 different understanding. And both can be guided by God at the same time. You ask N people what their understanding of Quran, you will get N different understanding. And all these N people can be guided by God at the same time.

Having different understanding of Quran is simply inevitable. Do you agree?