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General Issues / Questions / is the universe water
« on: August 07, 2021, 03:15:30 PM »
Peace everyone

I would like to share with you my idea on what the universe is made of should anyone anyone have any insight or idea to share

a fellow free minder shared with me some videos about the moon and other objects in space that when looked it seem to gave ripple effects (the moon also seems to have lunar waves)

He is the One who has created the heavens and the earth in six days and His Throne was upon the water so as to test who from among you works the best and when you say you will be resurrected after the deat those who have rejected say this is but clear magic (11:7)

your Lord is The God who has created the heavens and the earth in six days then He settled upon the Throne the night runs away from the day which seeks it continually and the sun and the moon and the stars are commissioned by His command to Him is the creation and the command glory to The God The Lord of the worlds (7:54)

from the above verse, i understand that The God is on His Throne which is above the water .. may we say that the seven heavens are thus water?

they fear their Lord from above them and they do what they are commanded (16:50)

from the above verse may we conclude that The Lord is above us all, that His Throne is settled above us, above the waters, and so the universe is water?

in the bible we are told that the waters above are separated from the waters below (earthly waters?) by the firmament (our atmosphere?)

perhaps what scientists call "dark energy and dark matter) is actually water

just a thought perhaps i am wrong

peace

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peace jkhan

thank you for your reply

no where do i see in chapter 73 does The God mention anything about the night being “optional”, so we cant say it is “optional”

“till” yes of course denotes a time .. for me its till the deepest of the night … and the night does not end at 11 pm but ends when light comes in yeah? and that would be fajr right? so the “till” i understand does goes on throughout the night with no mention of when to stop but to its deepest moments .. could be to the beginning of fajr
the words used (based on translation) is “till the darkness/deepest? of the night” … and as i think night ends with fajr then for each one to think about when they end their salat wih His permission and do whatever they can to push throughout the night maximum in prayer

i dont see anything in Quran about “little did they sleep” being about covering or blankets … so why would we assume its about covering themselves in blankets? i believe He said, and i just paraphrase my understanding of the verse, they forgoe their sides seeking their Lord

i dont look for “deep” meanings tho .. perhaps i am wrong but i try to take the Book at face value and i try not to interpet and just follow what is mentioned literally as i understand the verses (tho of course my understanding of the verses could be wrong and flawed and i could be clueless)
 
thank you very much jkhan for the share

peace my friend 😊

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peace jkhan

i understand decline of the sun to mean sunset at least as, for example, in surah 73 we are told that we have occupation during the day, and the first verses emphasize on night to read Book and i think praying too
the verse also says "until the (darkness of?) night", so is it a continuous prayer? or is it different prayers that go throughout the night? i dont know, but i believe prayer starts at sunset

we are also told in a verse to prostrate from the night, and that little did people sleep and they forgo their beds to call upon The Lord (i am just paraphrasing my understanding of verses)... 

regarding salat al wusta, i do it whenever people gather and today it is on friday at a specific time (altho the timing could perhaps have been be after the lunch break and resting)

i believe we are also told in the verse about the gathering day prayer to drop all trade and  that after the prayer people go seek bounty from The God, so i take it that people have been working and will go work after the prayer, and as such the salat wusta happens during working hours

salat i believe has timings to begin, but the length is not short but rather long .. surah 73, and verses about little did people sleep, and they forgo their sides to call upon The Lord,and from the night to prostrate, .. these verses (which i am just paraphrasing) make me think that prayer is long and not short

that is my understanding, and of course, The God knows and we pray that He may please increase our knowledge

thank you very much jkhan for sharing

peace

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Science / Re: Viruses in theology of Qur'an
« on: June 19, 2021, 03:19:53 PM »
peace thenabster, may The God please bless you

thank you for your reply

perhaps you are right especially that job was told to go to a place of water (maybe to cure a sickness)

i still think that sickness and cure are both from The God

remember also we are told in chapter 14 that the devil will say on judgement day that he had bo power over the disbelievers except that he call to them and they responded

we are also told about that the devil has no power over the believers


we are also told that the disbelievers call on what does not benefit them nor harm them (i bekieve hose in question are the djinn, whom disbelievers set up as partners)

peace

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peace jkhan

i think the verse is enough to understand the prayer times

salat isha - evening prayer so that answers that … its when the sun sets throughout the night

salat fajr - starts when the thread of light is distinguished from the night (as per the fasting guidelines in surah 2)

just to share my understanding of salat:

1) starting at sunset till darkness of the night and throughout the night (i think perhaps its non-stop form moment of sunset till darkness outside and then in throughout in parts of the night)

2) fajr (very first light of dawn a.k.a. naughtical dawn?) i personally use my own sight and pray whenever i see the thread myself or i start a bit before)

3) al wusta whenever the people gather which today is friday at duhr (although i think the actual wusta is after “lunch break” as i understand that there is a period where people go home and relax as per 24:58)

there is no 1 or 2 or 3 etc prayers that last 10 mn or so i think but rather long hours spent in prostration and sujud

just to reiterate my understanding:

there is evening prayer that lasts throughout the night (please also see first dozen verses of surah 73 and elsehwere in the Book we are told little did the people sleep and that from the night we prostrate)

then salat at the first light of dawn, and finally the wusta (i do once a week the wusta)

regarding the decline of the sun being noon, i disgaree if i may
in first verses of surah 73 we are told that during the day we have occupation and we are also told about the night being better for words and to stand 1/3 or 2/3 of the night … we are also told about protaration in the night in a couple of verse example 25:64

that is my understanding 😊 and of course i may be wrong

peace


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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Companion of the elephant
« on: June 15, 2021, 11:55:57 AM »
peace

i believe perhaps “tayran” could refer the angels

can the word “tayran” mean “those who fly” or does it necessarily mean birds? would birds be more “a’tayri”?

although surah 3:39 and 5:110 mention “tayran” too and i think it means bird there (or birds?)

but m just guessing in chapter 105 “tayran” perhaps could be angels

also, does “sijjin” mean fiery? i thought th general consensus was that it meant clay

i think the people of the elephant could perhaps be lot’s people

but i am really just guessing from my understanding and of course i might be wrong

peace

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Science / Re: Viruses in theology of Qur'an
« on: June 15, 2021, 11:45:58 AM »
peace

i do not think the devil makes people physically sick

only The God can do that and only He can cure

in the verses with job, i dont think the word “sickness” or “illness” is used, and The God is very precise in His words i believe

i might be wrong of course

peace

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Companion of the elephant
« on: June 10, 2021, 10:40:48 AM »
peace jkhan

i believe surah 105 could perhaps be about the people of lut and not about abraha (althou could be abraha, im just speculating form my understanding that it is about people of lut)

also, scientists claim syrian elephants existed until bronze age so perhaps the elephants in question were the syrian elephant

and i also dont think muhammd lived in the desert or in a nomad/tribal way, but rather in a developed city on a coastline (The God mentions about ships, and mentions rivers/streams and i think it was about where muhammed lived as i think they had ships)

i understand and believe muhammed was to warn the mother of cities and the nomads around it (and generally the worlds) ..i dont believe he was a nomad himself living a nomad or tribal way of life

peace

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Companion of the elephant
« on: June 09, 2021, 07:59:41 PM »
salam

there was an elephant that lived in parts of the middle east

please google “syrian elephant”

example of ancient elephants in middle east is in the city of qatna (in modern day syria), where apparently fossils of elephants were found in the royal palace ruins

peace

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Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: Companion of the elephant
« on: June 03, 2021, 10:05:14 PM »
salam

i believe surah 105 is about the people of lut

peace

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