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Peace brother Ayman,

I asked your opinion on the article, you still do not answer.

Accordind the reading, Almasjid is a place with certainty.

I have already answered Wakas to the question about not approaching women when you are devoted in the temple. No inconsistency.

When you approach women at night or during the day, it is certainly not in a public place, it's common sense.

When we are under this condition, you are devouted / waantum 'akifoon, we do not approach women.

Those who have betrayed their soul, they do certainly not in the temples.

Siyam is defined in verses 2: 185 and 2:87. I have no other answers to add on the purpose of siyam.

Peace

Peace sister Houriya,

1. What is your interpretation of the word "MSJD"? I tend to agree with brother Wakas that it doesn't make sense for it to mean mosques or congregational buildings. No one in their right mind would have sexual relations with his spouse in a public space.

2. What is your interpretation is the purpose of "siyam"/abstinence/fasting?

3. How do you interpret "siyam" in 5:95? How is it a way for the violator of the hunting restriction to "taste the evil result of his deed"?

4. Also, how does the timing relate to your interpretation of "siyam" and its purpose?

Peace,

Ayman

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According the verse 2:187 :

The sentence "God knew that you used to betray your souls, so He has redeemed you, and forgiven you" concerns only sexual intercourse.

The first time slot when we can approach women: at night
"It has been made permissible for you during the night of fasting to approach your women sexually. They are a garment for you and you are a garment for them"

The second time slot where they should not be approached: the day from dawn until night.
These are the limits that we must not transgress.

We lead a normal life at night. From dawn we complete / continue siyam

"do not approach them while you are devoted in the temples"  proves that abstaining from sexual intercourse is a limit to be observed during siyam until night but it does not define siyam.


2:187    It has been made permissible for you during the night of siyam to approach your women sexually. They are a garment for you and you are a garment for them. God knew that you used to betray your souls, so He has redeemed you, and forgiven you; now you may approach them and seek what God has written for you. And you may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then you shall complete / continue siyam until night; and do not approach them while you are devoted in the temples. These are the boundaries of God, so do not transgress them. It is thus that God clarifies His revelations to the people that they may be righteous.

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If God ask  to fast for consecutive two full moon, it is according the verses 2:185 et 2:187.

Being in spiritual retreat in the temple or in the hajj has nothing to do with our normal rhythm of life.

if you want to find out, go on a retreat for a few days in the temple of nature.

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2:185    The month of Ramadhan, in which the Qur'an was sent down as a guide to the people and a clarification of the guidance and the criterion. Those of you who have witnessed the month shall fast it; and whoever is ill or traveling, then the same count from different days. God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count, and magnify God for what He has guided you to, and that you may be thankful.

If the verse above is not enough for you, I have no other answers

I did not answer your first question, the answer was in my first question:

Why did God only specify only not to approach women when we are in retreat during the day?


Peace...
Unfortunately still I am not getting it.. Did you really answer to Expiation? If you have I won't ask again.. Coz I am sorry for my inability to understand...

Just explain what Retreat is according to Quran and how to perform it?  Most believers whenever they have time they do vigil at night and beg for pardon and even at dawn of even before.. They sacrifice night... But it is not siyam.. They do at will in any day...

What is Retreat.. Or what you personally  do as part of Retreat based on Quran? 
Curious to know pls..

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I wouldn't use fantasy or jinn, but rather identification with thought. Understanding this process is accessible to everyone. Ins and Jinn are two separate creatures, both thought, please you can read the verses I cited in Ayman's thread.
Thinking is a common point between Ins and Jinn.

The ego is a cluster of thoughts, a fiction, an illusion.

Is this ego is our own?  Or jinn(fantasy) like FM member brother Ayman claims... Another but coined to us...


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I answered your question with another question.
Our discrepancy concerns verses 2: 185 and 187. If these two verses are clear, the rest is clear.

Why did God only specify only not to approach women when we are on retreat during the day?

Why shahr ramadan is of the utmost importance ?
What should be done during siyam ?

The following verse clearly answers these questions

2:185    The month of Ramadhan, in which the Qur'an was sent down as a guide to the people and a clarification of the guidance and the criterion. Those of you who have witnessed the month shall fast it; and whoever is ill or traveling, then the same count from different days. God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count, and magnify God for what He has guided you to, and that you may be thankful.


Peace Sister..

I hope you didn't answer my original question..
Question is

Peace Sister..

I have a concern...
Would you pls explain 58:04 or 5:95 or any other fasting.. Does it befit retreat with all siyam?
Why expiation of siyam?  Elaborate to us pls how it works for expiation
..

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Peace Jkhan,

Why did God only specify not to approach women when we are on retreat during the day?
the Reading is straightforward in the instructions. this is what is allowed for us on the night of siyam and what is not allo during the day.

I my previous messages, I talked about the definition of siyam as for hajj, we shouldn't confuse them with the instructions to be observed during siyam and hajj.

If the verse 2 : 187 is clear, everything else will be clear.

Why shahr ramadan is of the utmost importance ?
What should be done during siyam ?

The following verse clearly answers these questions

2:185    The month of Ramadhan, in which the Qur'an was sent down as a guide to the people and a clarification of the guidance and the criterion. Those of you who have witnessed the month shall fast it; and whoever is ill or traveling, then the same count from different days. God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count, and magnify God for what He has guided you to, and that you may be thankful.


Peace Sister..

I have a concern...
Would you pls explain 58:04 or 5:95 or any other fasting.. Does it befit retreat with all siyam?
Why expiation of siyam?  Elaborate to us pls how it works for expiation...

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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: Hot/"ramadan" Answer
« on: August 01, 2020, 05:57:48 AM »
Peace brother,

I would like to answer your question in the thread dedicated to spiritual retreat during siyam.

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Peace,

THe ego is like a second skin that constantly pursues the human being.
To avoid falling into this trap, it is essential to understand its nature and how it works.

Everything that comes after the "I" makes up the ego, a cluster of thoughts.

The ego embellishes actions, persuades their validity, makes people proud, wants to be right, blinds, refutes without knowledge or science, judge, mocks, prevents seeing the truth, creates conflicts, wars, inner disorder, struggles, resists , controls people's lives.
The ego gives the satisfaction of being right, of blaming others, have more goods etc

When people are identified with their ego, they are  unconscious of his true nature, unconscious of their Creator.

No freedom possible when the human being is under the yoke of the ego.
No freedom of action even if the ego persuades otherwise.

This is the first obstacle to overcome in order to be able to embody the change we want to see in society.

The ego loses its power over the human being when it is subjected to the light of consciousness.
Consciousness purifies the inner state.

13:11 Present with him and behind him are retainers, they preserve him
from the command of God. God does not change the condition
of a people until they change the condition of their souls. And if God wanted to harm a people, then there is no turning Him back, nor will they have any protector against Him.

Peace

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Peace


FM translation
33:56    God and His angels give allegiance to the prophet. O you who believe, you shall give allegiance to him, and comply completely.

Web site : http://www.quran4peace.org/en_index.html

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What is “salat”?

As  we  saw  in  the  previous  chapter,  the  common  noun “islam”  is  not  the  meaningless proper name of a religion. It is an action and life direction of peacemaking that one must take.

It is not some rituals that people can perform while not supporting peace and instead supporting   corruption   and   bloodshed.   Unfortunately,   by   turning   “islam”   into   a meaningless  proper  name,  the  majority  of  people  became  incapable  of  distinguishing between  the  simplest  of  meanings.

 For  example,  while  “islam”  means  peacemaking,  the word  “taslim”  means  submission.  Many  people  utter  the  words  “sala  allah  alayh  wa sallam” every time the prophet is mentioned because they believe that this  is  what  the  god  told  them  to  do  in  33:56.  Here  are  some  of  the  most  widely  used English translations of 33:56:

033.056  YUSUFALI: Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect (salimu taslima). 

PICKTHAL:  Lo!  Allah  and  His  angels  shower  blessings  on  the  Prophet.  O  ye  who believe!  Ask  blessings  on  him  and  salute  him  with  a  worthy  salutation  (salimu taslima). 

SHAKIR: Surely Allah and His angels bless the Prophet; O you who believe! call for (Divine)  blessings  on  him  and  salute  him  with  a  (becoming)  salutation  (salimu taslima). 
As we can see, the word “taslim” in 33:56 is translated as salutation. However, by doing a simple search in the Quran, everyone can easily find the same exact word used in 4:65 to clearly mean “submission” not “salutation”.

004.065  YUSUFALI:  But  no,  by  the  Lord,  they  can  have  no  (real)  Faith,  until  they  make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction (yosalimu taslima). 

PICKTHAL: But nay, by thy Lord, they will not believe (in truth) until they make thee judge of what is in dispute between them and find within themselves no dislike of that which thou decidest, and submit with full submission (yosalimu taslima). 

SHAKIR: But no! by your Lord! they do not believe (in reality) until they make you a  judge  of  that  which  has  become  a  matter  of  disagreement  among  them,  and  then do  not  find  any  straitness  in  their  hearts  as  to  what  you  have  decided  and submit with entire submission (yosalimu taslima)The  search  will  also  find  the  same  exact  word  “taslim”  in  Chapter  33  itself  just  a  few pages earlier in 33:22:

YUSUFALI:  When  the  Believers  saw  the  Confederate  forces,  they  said:  "This  is what Allah and his Messenger had promised us, and Allah and His Messenger  told us  what  was  true."  And  it  only  added  to  their  faith  and  their  zeal  in  obedience(taslima). 

PICKTHAL:  And  when  the  true  believers  saw  the  clans,  they  said:  This  is  that which  Allah  and  His  messenger  promised  us.  Allah  and  His  messenger  are  true.  It did but confirm them in their faith and resignation (taslima).

SHAKIR:  And  when  the  believers  saw  the  allies,  they  said:  This  is  what  Allah  and His  Messenger  promised  us,  and  Allah  and  His  Messenger  spoke  the  truth;  and  it only increased them in faith and submission (taslima).
It  is  obvious  that  the  word  “taslim”  in  the  Quran  is  used  to  mean  “submission”  and  not “salutation”

In  fact,  the  same  complete  formula  “submit  with  full  submission”  used  in 4:65 is the one used in 33:56. This is why 33:56 accurately doesn’t say that the god and the  controllers  “submit  with  full  submission/yusalimu  taslima”  and  this  clause  only applies to “O you who believe”. 

This is due to the obvious fact that the one and only god doesn’t submit to anyone.  So, according to 33:56, when people say “sala allah alayh wa salam” they are ignorantly saying that the god submits (the god be most exalted). So billions of people, including so-called  scholars,  have  been  mindlessly  uttering  what  is  essentially  a  gross  blasphemy against the god!  What  the  believers  were  told  in  33:56  is  to  do  the same  thing  that  the  god  did  and  in addition  submit  completely

The  god  certainly  didn’t  go  around  repeating  “salla  allah alayh”  whenever  the  prophet’s  name  was  mentioned.  Similarly,  the  prophet  didn’t understand  the  same  command  in  9:103  to  mean  going around  parroting  “salla  allah alayh”  whenever  the  name  of  any  of  those  who  repented  was  mentioned.  In  fact,  all  the translators of 9:103 agreed and thought that it  would be ridiculous for the prophet to  go around  parroting  “salla  allah  alayh”  every  time  someone’s  name  is  mentioned.  So  they translated  the  order  “salli  alayhim”  as  “pray  for  them”  or  “pray  on  their behalf”.

009.103  YUSUFALI:  Of  their  goods,  take  alms,  that  so  thou  mightest  purify  and  sanctify them; and pray on their behalf. Verily thy prayers are a source of security for them: And Allah is One Who heareth and knoweth. 

PICKTHAL:  Take  alms  of  their  wealth,  wherewith  thou  mayst  purify  them  and mayst  make  them  grow,  and  pray  for  them.  Lo!  thy  prayer  is  an  assuagement  for them. Allah is Hearer, Knower. 

SHAKIR: Take alms out of their property, you would cleanse them and purify them thereby,  and  pray  for  them;  surely  your  prayer  is  a  relief  to  them;  and  Allah  is Hearing, Knowing.

Of  course  when  it  came  to  33:56,  the  translators  faced  a  dilemma  since  they  quickly realized  that  it  would  be  absurd  for  the  god  to  “pray  for  the  prophet”  or  “pray  on  his behalf”.  So  they  translated  the  same  exact  command in  9:103  as  “send  blessings  on  the prophet”  or  “ask/call  for  blessings  on  the  prophet”  instead  of  “pray  for  the  prophet”  or “pray on his behalf”. 

033.056  YUSUFALI: Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect. 

PICKTHAL:  Lo!  Allah  and  His  angels  shower  blessings  on  the  Prophet.  O  ye  who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation. 

SHAKIR: Surely Allah and His angels bless the Prophet; O you who believe! call for (Divine) blessings on him and salute him with a (becoming) salutation.  The  translators  were  forced  to  be  inconsistent  due to  their  lack  of  understanding  of  the term “salat”. Not only have they created logical inconsistencies between 33:56 and 9:103 but  they  have  also  created  internal  inconsistencies  in  33:56.

 For  example,  Pickthal  and Shakir realized that Yusufali made a huge blunder when he said “send your blessings on him”  since  humans  do  not  inherently  have  “blessings”  that  they  can  distribute  and  can only  ask  the  god  for  his  blessing.  So  Pickthal  and Shakir  translated  the  command  as “ask/call for blessings on him”. However, by doing so, they created another inconsistency since the action the believers are commanded to do is literally the same exact action the god does.

Certainly, the god doesn’t “ask/call for blessings”.  The translators provided the key to understanding the concept of “salat” from the Quran a few  passages  earlier  in  33:43.  The  key  is  not  in  their  translation  of  the  action  of  “salat” but is in the effect of this action:

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