Thanks for sharing your thoughts, jkhan. I interpret verses 6:118, 119, 121, etc. differently. These verses imply an obligation to acknowledge, ideally, from before the slaughtering takes place, (being grateful for providing the animal as sustenance 22:28, 34, 36, see also 22:40, 24:36, 76:25 etc.).
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Science / Re: Human greed and Animal abuse
August 02, 2024, 06:26:11 AM
peace jkhan,
If God has not forbidden any food, what do these verses mean?
"...eat from what God has provided for you, lawful and good /halalan tayyiban (16:114, & 5:88, 8:69, 2:168)
22:36 prescribes fadhkurusmallahi 3laiha before/during slaughter (when they lined up), and this phrase is specifically used when referring to animals as food (including birds), not any other food, also, it's not exclusive to hajj (6:138, 5:4). The timing of this obligation/remembrance, however, is not explicitly mentioned in these two verses, allowing for individual interpretation.
And Quran says "The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided,..." (39:18)
And then we have
6:121 "And do not eat from what God's name/attribute/ism has not been remembered/mentioned on it, and that it truly is fisq..."
fisq is distinct from rijs/filth/impure (6:145, 5:3 etc.)
For concerns about animal welfare and ethical conduct, there are numerous verses that we can relate to,
Examples:
Who created the death/lifelessness and the life to test you which of you is better in deeds (67:2)
..so race/surpass each other in doing good deeds (2:148, 5:48)
..So whoever is expecting his Lord's meeting, so he makes/does righteous deeds (18:110)
And there is not a creature on the earth, nor a bird that flies with its wings, except they belong to nations like you belong. We did not leave anything out of the record; then to their Lord they will be gathered. (6:38)
..like that We manipulated/subjugated it for you, so that you may be grateful (22:36)
If God has not forbidden any food, what do these verses mean?
"...eat from what God has provided for you, lawful and good /halalan tayyiban (16:114, & 5:88, 8:69, 2:168)
22:36 prescribes fadhkurusmallahi 3laiha before/during slaughter (when they lined up), and this phrase is specifically used when referring to animals as food (including birds), not any other food, also, it's not exclusive to hajj (6:138, 5:4). The timing of this obligation/remembrance, however, is not explicitly mentioned in these two verses, allowing for individual interpretation.
And Quran says "The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided,..." (39:18)
And then we have
6:121 "And do not eat from what God's name/attribute/ism has not been remembered/mentioned on it, and that it truly is fisq..."
fisq is distinct from rijs/filth/impure (6:145, 5:3 etc.)
For concerns about animal welfare and ethical conduct, there are numerous verses that we can relate to,
Examples:
Who created the death/lifelessness and the life to test you which of you is better in deeds (67:2)
..so race/surpass each other in doing good deeds (2:148, 5:48)
..So whoever is expecting his Lord's meeting, so he makes/does righteous deeds (18:110)
And there is not a creature on the earth, nor a bird that flies with its wings, except they belong to nations like you belong. We did not leave anything out of the record; then to their Lord they will be gathered. (6:38)
..like that We manipulated/subjugated it for you, so that you may be grateful (22:36)
#3
Science / Re: Human greed and Animal abuse
July 28, 2024, 02:41:09 AMQuote from: Mohammed on February 10, 2019, 12:45:06 AM(many traditional Qur'an translators translated 6: 118, 119 & 121 incorrectly). Qur'an used the root dh-k-r in 6: 118, 119 & 121 which basically means remembrance/bear in mind
peace quincy, and all,
Although "to remember, bear in mind," etc., seems to be the basic meaning, I'm unsure about the exact implications of "dh-k-r" in the above verses, as its meaning can vary depending on the context (e.g., 21:36, 21:60, etc.). Ultimately, it's up to the believer to determine the best fitting interpretation for 6:118,119, & 121 and decide on halal certification/labels.
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#5
Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: How do you define Submission?
November 30, 2022, 06:06:43 AM
'Being aware & thankful' is not only with heart/words, it could reflect in one's actions too. i.e. the best use of our blessings (atleast in such a way that it do not invite God's dislike/wrath).
#6
Off-Topic / Re: Is it okay to get cats fixed
November 20, 2022, 02:51:45 AMQuotewithout being spayed she can get pregnant up to 5 times each year
That may be just based on calculations since they've a short gestation period. In reality I don't know any cats getting pregnant 5 times in a year. Anyway that's how God designed their system (remember, God has also designed animal species which can get pregnant only once in a year and bird species which lays only one egg per year!).
The cats which I know used to get pregnant twice or upto thrice per year if I'm not mistaken, and sometimes they are not, for long months or may be for a year.
Animals/birds die for various reasons, for example when they die because of extreme weather conditions - may be one of the way God giving humans warnings that they are destroying the planet (climate change).
One reason for the increasing number of stray cats, dogs, rodents etc & their reproduction is Food waste (food that is fit for consumption but discarded at the retail or consumption phases) by irresponsible humans, they waste lots of food, also not disposing it properly. So maybe God warn them and punishing them with such disturbances.
Food waste is also a major source of the greenhouse gas methane.
Of course neutering/spaying is not forbidden in the Qur'an, but there is no any examples/hints for any such mutilating acts in any case. When God says He provides for them (11:6, 15:20 etc), neutering/spaying animals by fearing that they die without getting food seems to me an atheist/disbeliever way of thinking? (as if there's no one to provide for them).
Also, many of you might be knowing that how enjoyably the mother cats used to play with their kittens, even with grown kittens. But by fixing the cat, you're forcefully taking that God given enjoyments from them, permanently!! (I suppose fixing is not reversible).
And like any other species, cats are also part of food chain, some times God creates kittens as food for some other species.
#7
Questions/Comments on the Quran / Re: How do you define Submission?
November 19, 2022, 11:47:10 PM
peace, & same to you
To me, submission is believing/knowing/acknowledging (the fact) that everything is by God, and hence orienting one's life accordingly. And God has sent down guidance.
For example, being thankful is a form of submission.
Taking this very moment of reading & writing, being aware that I'm able to do/experience/enjoy it only because God created/made all these arrangements (life, humans, brains/minds, eyes, hands, languages, the pleasure of seeking &acquiring knowledge etc).. Like that, being (or trying to be) aware & thankful always.
To me, submission is believing/knowing/acknowledging (the fact) that everything is by God, and hence orienting one's life accordingly. And God has sent down guidance.
For example, being thankful is a form of submission.
Taking this very moment of reading & writing, being aware that I'm able to do/experience/enjoy it only because God created/made all these arrangements (life, humans, brains/minds, eyes, hands, languages, the pleasure of seeking &acquiring knowledge etc).. Like that, being (or trying to be) aware & thankful always.
#8
Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: shahr = lunar month ?
July 23, 2022, 11:41:41 PM
I also count year solar, but when you say 30 lunar cycles = 870 days (or lunar cycle is 29 days), it contradicts with what we observe in reality / what God has arranged.
#9
Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: shahr = lunar month ?
July 22, 2022, 04:19:13 AMQuoteGod mentions Moon phases from new moon, not from full moon. i.e. islamic timing system starts (e.g. for hajj) with new moon itself (enter houses from the doors).I hope it's not confusing. Time for hajj starts with the new moon of first month of the well known /inviolable /restricted months. i.e. unlike in the article, one can choose any set of days within these months.
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Islamic Calendar & Ramadhan. / Re: shahr = lunar month ?
July 20, 2022, 05:10:12 AM
Peace Noon,
I read your article a bit late, interesting observation, & thanks for sharing.
Could you tell why you say lunar cycle is exactly 29 days ? (Why not >29 or ~29.5).
12 lunar cycles take around 354/355 days. So thalathuna shahr would be >870 days ?
I read your article a bit late, interesting observation, & thanks for sharing.
Could you tell why you say lunar cycle is exactly 29 days ? (Why not >29 or ~29.5).
12 lunar cycles take around 354/355 days. So thalathuna shahr would be >870 days ?