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May my Lord increase my Knowledge.

[As for those who have disease in their hearts, eager to cause confusion and eager to derive their interpretation, they will follow what is multiple-meaning from it. But none knows their meaning except God and those who are well founded in knowledge; they say, "We acknowledge it, all is from our Lord." None will remember except the people of intellect.]

Peace OussamaNL,

Personally, I try to not focus on the mutashabihat (multiple-meaning) verses of the Quran. This reminds me of a quranic verse.

Quran 3:7 He is the One who sent down to you the book, from which there are definite signs; they are the essence of the book; and others, which are multiple-meaning. As for those who have disease in their hearts, eager to cause confusion and eager to derive their interpretation, they will follow what is multiple-meaning from it. But none knows their meaning except God and those who are well founded in knowledge; they say, "We acknowledge it, all is from our Lord." None will remember except the people of intellect.

In my view, islam is a practical deen (way of life). Have you read the parable of the raft? If you haven't read it, I highly recommend reading it. 

http://findingyoursoul.com/2012/11/the-parable-of-the-raft/

Wise parable.

But now back to the Tree :0.

Peace.

[As for those who have disease in their hearts, eager to cause confusion and eager to derive their interpretation, they will follow what is multiple-meaning from it. But none knows their meaning except God and those who are well founded in knowledge; they say, "We acknowledge it, all is from our Lord." None will remember except the people of intellect.]

Peace OussamaNL,

Personally, I try to not focus on the mutashabihat (multiple-meaning) verses of the Quran. This reminds me of a quranic verse.

Quran 3:7 He is the One who sent down to you the book, from which there are definite signs; they are the essence of the book; and others, which are multiple-meaning. As for those who have disease in their hearts, eager to cause confusion and eager to derive their interpretation, they will follow what is multiple-meaning from it. But none knows their meaning except God and those who are well founded in knowledge; they say, "We acknowledge it, all is from our Lord." None will remember except the people of intellect.

In my view, islam is a practical deen (way of life). Have you read the parable of the raft? If you haven't read it, I highly recommend reading it. 

http://findingyoursoul.com/2012/11/the-parable-of-the-raft/

Parable of the Raft?

What does the word Raft mean? What language is it?

Further more i seek Knowledge. My intention is not to seek any discussions.

So yeah.

Let me read the link.

Peace.

Does the Qur'an mention at all the FRUIT of the tree?. I do not think so. Does it say they were orderednot to EAT, I do not thin so. They were orderderd to to come near it,in the same way that people ar told not come near fahisha.

If we substitute the bibe words for the Qur'an then we are interreting the Bible, noot the Qur'an.

Salaam

May the Peace be with you.

I have no idea, i am still a beginner.

Forgive me if i used the wrong words.

Peace.

Thank you for sharing the posts.

A lot of nice pondering there.

But what could be the tree and the fruit is what i actually want to know before pondering further.

I think i should meditate on those verses.

Do you think that God can refer this as a state of mind. Which dresses up our mind in a proper way with proper knowledge ?

just a thought

peace

Afcourse, nice pondering.

Since our minds can be dressed, it is best to dress them with Righteousness.

May our Lord increase our Knowledge and Faith.

Peace.

Peace be upon you SA,

I think the "shame" is that the human is falling from the God. What I mean is this, we were meant to be spiritual servants of the God having a physical experience, but man has become twisted and thinks he is a physical being having a spiritual experience. Therefore everything man thinks about is "physical" and the God is sending us a message to take us away from that physical "life of this world" mentality.

Adam and his wife had all they needed, but they became greedy for more, so they fell from the "garden" and started to cover thier private parts, which they were not aware of before.

So while on the physical earth, we must cover our shame because MOST of mankind is are physically-based and the solution to that is to cover  our private parts.

That is my current understanding unless I can hear a better argument.

What do you mean by covering their private parts?

What does covering of the private parts have to do with that situation?

May our Lord increase our Knowledge and Faith.

Peace.

The point I was making was that Quran does not mention a holy place called Mekka that contains a stone cube. There is no indication of hajj being performed in Mekka in the Quran.

Ah okey, now i understand you clearly.

I am still learning.

What is the root word of Hajj if i may ask? And what does it mean?

My language is still weak.

May my Lord increase my Knowledge.

Peace.

Both Mekka(teh) and Bakka are mentioned in Quran, but the question is what they really mean in the context. People do not seem particularly critical towards their sources.

Be safe
Amenuel

Yeah i am not that far yet. I want to know also.

May my Lord increase my Knowledge.

What does the root word of Mekka and Becca mean? This way i will be able to come closer to the Truth instead of guessing etc.

Peace.

The Black Stone is the eastern corner stone of the Kabah, the large black cube that lies in the center of Mecca.



Muslims believe that a brilliant white stone fell from heaven during the time of Adam and Eve. Over time, this stone turned black because of the sins which it absorbed. It is believed that Abraham found this rock and the Angel Gabriel brought it to him while he was building the Kabah.

To this day, the Black Stone is an object of reverence to Muslims. They turn east to face this Stone when they pray five times a day. During the pilgrimage to Mecca, they circle the Kabah and attempt to kiss the Black Stone as Muhammad once did(according to Bukhari and Co). If they can?t get near to kiss it, Muslims point towards it.

The Black Stone is believed to absorb sins; the Muslims pray towards it, and they attempt to kiss it during pilgrimage. This sounds like worship to me.




Do Muslims worship the stone which has the ability to remove sins? Is the black stone mentioned in the Quran? Is the cube they face and worship 5 times a day mentioned in the Quran, let alone the five daily rituals? None of this is mentioned in the very Quran they claim to follow. There can only be two possibilities. Either the Quran is incomplete and Bukhari & Company had to fill the gaps Allah left in the Quran or Muslims are just a bunch pagans who worship Iblis(their instinct drive) and have hijacked the Quran. They go up in arms when you criticize their hadith collections and continue to argue that without the hadith, they wouldn't be able to perform any of the rituals in Islam. This exposes their true intent. They don't want Allah's guidance but in the same time claim that they follow it (Quran). This is what blinds them from the truth and continues the cycle of the herderd sheep they are, doing what they found their parents to be doing

[Quran 2:170] When they are told, "Follow what Allah has revealed herein," they say, "We follow only what we found our parents doing." Even though their parents had no sense,nor were they guided?

[Quran 7:179]"They are like cattle,- nay more misguided: for they are heedless."

They chose this instead of Allah's guidance.



For such an  important and "holy" place like Makkah, Makkah is not  even mentioned in the Quran even once.  They use mental gymnastics for Bakka and false interpretations to face a cube when performing salat.
Their call for salat(adhaan) includes Muhammads name in it. Muhammad and many other dead people are also recited in their durood(also not found in the Quran) in their five daily rituals.

Invisible beings are also greeted to end the ritual by turning their heads right and left and saying "asalamu alaikum warahmatuallah".

Muslims are nothing but pagans, devil worshipers, Bukharians, neo-Jews and hijackers.. following their pagan worship is all it is. Nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.


(10:66) "Absolutely, to GOD belongs everyone in the heavens and everyone on earth. Those who set up idols beside GOD are really following nothing. They do not follow (anything) but conjectures, and they only lie."
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(6:116)"And if you obey most of those in the earth, they will lead you astray from GOD's way; they follow but conjecture and they only lie."

May the Peace be with you.

We can not guide them. Let's unite upon the Truth. We should set the focus on our goals. We can not let them waste our time!

Btw, you said Mekkah is not mentioned in the Quran. Doesn't it even mention the word Mekkah?

Peace.