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Archeology & History / Re: The Assyrian Storm
« on: January 04, 2015, 02:30:22 AM »
Bro Pazuzu,
As always, very nicely presented! I am still a bit fuzzy on the Umayyad connection and the constant statements in the Quran about the prescription of "fighting"... perhaps it will be clearer with your upcoming works on what you feel about how much older or newer the Quran is compared to what is traditionally thought (my guess is you hypothesize it being the former case - as I would too.)

Let me know!

General Issues / Questions / Re: Road of the Patriarch
« on: March 13, 2012, 09:42:45 PM »
Question answered... should have looked more closely. Sorry for flooding Pazuzu.

Noon de Plume

Sounds like the prophet had a friend who doesn't speak arabic, or knews someone who doesn't speak arabic, did they accuse him for he was his friend ? if he was, than in what language did the prophete speak to him, maybe the prophet did speak 2 languages, and wasn't an illeterate as the sects try to show him, maybe he was a real learned person, for allah doesn't choose idiots to convey his message

Exactly... seems were are in agreement. I am not sure what you were trying to refute.

Nun please re-read my statement before accusing me of anything... "he WAS instructed in religious matters" not the Quran


The verse refutes the accusation ? a non Arabic speaker teaching Quran in Arabic.

16:103 and certainly We know that they say, ?Only teaches him a human being."
(The) tongue the one they refer to him foreign and this language Arabic clear.

Parvez's works still account for a bit of tradition... it will be 'purely' Quranic.

I meant, it will NOT be 'purely' Quranic - sorry, what a difference three letters make.

Parvez's works still account for a bit of tradition... it will be 'purely' Quranic.


I heard that G.A. Parwez wrote something on this topic. He apparently put together the verses relating to this subject, but I don't think this is one of his works that have been translated to English.

Has anyone heard of such a book?


I agree with Wakas.
It is a perfectly legitimate inquiry if approached objectively... What does it have to do with 'commemoration'?

Let us start with an example - hopefully by the end of the thread we may have some basic understanding on him:

Exhibit 1 - That originally he was NOT a Quraishite (person of stature or importance):
And they said: "if only this reading had been descended on a great man from the two towns." [43:31]

Exhibit 2 - That he WAS instructed in religious matters - likely in Syriac (given the times):
Say: "The Holy Spirit has brought it down from your Lord with the truth, so that those who believe will be strengthened, and as a guidance and good news for those who have submitted."
And We are aware that they say: "A human being is teaching him." The tongue of the one they refer to is foreign, while this is a clear Arabic tongue. [16:102-3]

Exhibit 3 - That he used to conduct night vigils
O you who are covered with your garments. Stand the night except for a little. Half of it, or a little less than that. Or a little more, and arrange the Quran in its arrangement. We will place upon you a saying which is heavy. The time of the night is more effective and better for study. [73:1-6]

Exhibit 4 - That his audience had good working knowledge of Judaeo-Christian rituals
O you who are cloaked. ... And purify your garments. ... And do not give for a return. ... So when the trumpet (shofar?) is sounded. [74:1 - 8]


I see nothing wrong with loxbox deducing a biography of Muhammad's life through the Quran.  I do think it's nearly, if not completely, an impossible task as:
 a) The quran isn't linear
 b) in order for you to piece together a chronological chain of events time x,y,z have to be present. Which is not the case when it comes to the story of Muhammad as far as I know. For example: there is no way to tell which battle comes first without resorting to guesswork/hearsay.

We are not told about the birth of Muhammad. Again we must ask ourselves why? There is a reason for everything that's in the Quran; more importantly what's NOT mentioned, for it's not relevant to our guidance. Having said that, we all have an undying sense to know everything. Curiosity came before the cat.  

Based on the above, do I think its a waste of time? Sorry to be blunt, but yes. Still, Loxbox has that right. I do not think this is shrik. Let's not presuppose his intentions.


compare with Baghlah and Cuch Dungiyah on this page:

Hull and rudder designs are quite similar...

Christianity/Judaism/Others / Yom Kippur mistranslated in Arabic
« on: May 13, 2010, 06:43:41 AM »
I was viewing the Arabic section of Wikipedia and it seems Yom Kippur has been translated into Arabic as Yaum al-Ghufran. I think this is an incorrect translation. In fact there is a direct cognate of KPR in Arabic (KFR) and its derivative is actually used as Kaffaarah to denote an act that CONCEALS or COVERS wrongdoing. Yom Kippur is translated in English as a Day of Atonement (where sins are pardoned or compensated for) which would render the Arabic close to Yaum al-takfeer, or Yaum al-Kaffaarah which is strikingly similar by meaning and etymology.


For that you need to reflect what that "creed" was (or can be), which the "Jews" and the "Christians" desired the addressee to follow in order to be appeased.

To me that creed seems to be "my way or the highway" or "either you are with us or against us"... i.e. enforcing on others one's own ego/demons/traditions/gods.

Dear abdalquran

Please explain the harmony of 2:62 and 3:85 and whilst you are at it, what would you say about this ayat:

2:135 AND THEY say, "Be jews" - or, "Christians" - "and you shall be on the right path." Say: "Nay, but [ours is] the creed of Abraham, who turned away from all that is false, and was not of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God."


2:120 For, never will the jews be pleased with thee. nor yet the Christians, unless thou follow their own creeds. Say: "Behold, God's guidance is the only true guidance." And, indeed, if thou shouldst follow their errant views after all the knowledge that has come unto thee. thou wouldst have none to protect thee from God, and none to bring thee succour.


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