Joe, I apologize if I offended you but that wasn't my intention. I am here to learn and so far what I am learning is that almost everyone here has different beliefs. As far as I can understand, you are saying that you are just a Muslim, not Sunni or Shi'a. If you aren't saying that, then I don't think I would like to know because that would mean you have your own beliefs and religion.
Elena, I am confused because I am getting different answers from different people, so for now, I am going to consider mquran as a representative for the beliefs of this site. I won't waste my time getting into Rashad Khalifa's religion because that's a belief that they are strongly committed to. Free-mind people are similar to me, and accepting, therefore a debate for my knowledge can be held.
I always questioned the Hadeeth's authenticity but I don't think anyone has the authority to say if it's false or not. I just pick and choose between the ones that I like. What I want to make clear is the fact that I follow some Hadeeth, not because I think I will get blessings for it. I do it because I feel like it's a better way to live life. Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W)'s character, as stated in the Hadith was great, if you think it was fictious or not.
I believe there are three types of Hadeeth.
1) True Historical Events (wars etc.)
2) The Hadith that can be recognized with the Qur'an.
3) Very Old Hadith, non-historic and ones that cannot be recognized with the Qur'an.
I choose to believe in the first two, However, ALL Hadith aren't false or true. Therefore, we can assume that #2 might be truthful, but might have no concern in our lives, just a historical significance behind the specific Qur'anic Ayat. I follow #1 just to live my life in a better way and just for extra knowledge.
mquran, I agree with you 100%. That's what I meant to say, that the things that will save us from hell are basic, not the widespread knowledge of the history. I agree with you, follow the true Islam, be nice to everyone, not only to Muslims. I am sure you and me are following the True Islam, because we are doing the basic things that will save us from the Hell-Fire, Inshallah!
It's not the way you pray or the way you shake hands, its those basic things that we need, but we usually forget because we worry too much about the minor stuff that is usually preached to us. Sunni/Shi'a sects are not found in the Caribbean Islands. The muslims there are just simply muslim. Once I came to a conclusion that they must be Sunni since they don't do Matam. Now when I think about it, it makes me sad that Islam has sects and when you find out if your friend is a muslim, it's not enough. You usually find out if he's Sunni or Shi'a. You are right, we are far away from humanity, Islam is being turned into a political religion with many different sects following human beings instead of the Holy Qur'an.
However, the problem with this site is the fact that everyone here has different beliefs.
Andy, the Hadith you have stated are sayings or historical events which I don't believe in. I agree that the Hadith aren't what Islam was all about, I never had a Hadith book until a couple of years ago. Islam has been made very complicated for whatever reason, but it doesn't concern me. I won't go into too much details about the Hadith etc. because they don't matter or affect my life after death. From what I have read, I follow pnly some Hadith of our Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W). What I mean by follow is that I try to adapt certain habits of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W)stated in the Hadith. For example, eating manners, hygeine stuff, etc. I agree that the Hadith can be changed but the Qur'an cannot.
mquran, Thanks A Lot!!! for all of your help. You were the only person that actually made sense to me. The first reason is basically the fact that you didn't disrespect the Hadith or try to take apart the Hadith books but instead you told me your part without disrespecting anyone or any book. That for one, was the right way, which is the proper, decent, Islamic way. That's how the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) and his companions used to spread Islam, instead of finding mistakes in the Bible, they read out the verses from the Qur'an. As far as I can understand, your approach is that you are not completely denying the Prophet's Hadith.
95% of the muslims (Sunni and Shi'a) believe in the Hadith. Maybe other sects do as well.
I can't agree with anyone of you by denying all the Hadith, because that's my belief and what I think is right as well. I explained to everyone what my idea of the Hadith really is. Picking one or two unlogical Hadith doesn't mean all of them can't be followed BUT, the ones that contradict with the Qur'an shouldn't, ofcourse.
Like I said before, I have come to a conclusion for what my belief should really be, but I will state in a proper and easy format.
1. "La Illaha Il Allah Muhammad Ur Rasool Allah". - I am pretty sure you all are familiar with that.
2. Follow the Qur'an!!!
3. Allah comes first! and then I choose to put Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) as my peaceful and great role model in life.
My Beliefs about the Hadith:
1. The Hadith are there to guide you, they don't concern your life after death or your blessings but if you choose to adapt the ones where you are helping out the community and your land. Also the one where you do stuff for the humanity(not only muslims, ALL HUMANS). For my life to be a discipline and healthy one, I think it's good for me to follow the ones that concern the good and logical hobbies of the Prophet (S.A.W). I choose to live my life under his shadow, you know.
2. Prophets were great, God-Chosen, Heavenly people. They were all equal, like I stated in a post before. We have no right to judge who is better than who. I have no accounts of the lives of any other prophets except Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W). That's why I choose to live the life like he did. I mean you can't say that his great habits shouldn't be followed because they aren't mentioned in the Qur'an.
3. We all follow habits of some people, like our parents, grandparents, everyone has someone that influences them. I choose to follow the life of a Prophet, like he is my role model, but that doesn't mean I will marry 11 times. I just pick and choose the ones that are suitable for this era and my life. You never know I might get a Nobel Peace Prize if I work for my community or even on a wider scale. Being truthful to everyone, being nice and not hurting anyone emotionally or physically. You can't say that's a bad trait to adapt. I am not only influenced by the Prophet but his Companions/Caliphs as well.
4. Just like you can't say the ENTIRE Bible isn't the word of God, you can't say that ALL the Hadith are useless. But then again I don't follow the life of Prophet Jesus (Issa), but that's my choice, not that I am sinful because of it, its just because I choose to.
Sorry, but some of the posts I have read seem to me like you guys have something against the Hadith or the Prophet. I don't understand why there's a problem in choosing even one hadith for your life, not to gain blessings though, just for yourself. Some of you sound as if you are in the opposition of the Hadith, just because you don't believe they are authentic, doesn't mean you can't accept a couple. Fictious or Not, we ALL must agree that Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W)'s character and life was a very great one. If it's okay for us to follow Gandhi's peaceful way, then why say no to the Prophet, who had been through way worse?
I don't follow his life exactly and every step of the way, just some stuff that I choose and find good for myself. I mean come on, we all wash ourselves when we pee, lol. And our hands, specially before eating because you know, it would be gross, otherwise.
If we all are free-thinkers, we should just use the Hadith as a book of wise sayings, obviously not as a secondary source to the religion. I understood your religion long ago because that's my religion too, I am a Muslim. I am aslo a positive person, I try to find the good in everything and that's why I choose the Hadith. I even find good in a "gangsta rapper" Tupac, even though most might say he was a thug and gangster, but that's his negative half. All I can do is curse it and gain nothing, but lose energy and time as well. It's better to look at everything in a positive way, causes less stress, hate and opposition towards others.
Therefore I agree with mostly all of your beliefs because that's what Islam is. You guys don't believe that all the Hadith are true, but not ALL are false either. I only have one objection and that's the fact that you believe that the last two ayat of Surah Al-Taubah are not supposed to be there (some say yes, some say no on this site) so I am referring to those who don't. The Qur'an itself states that it shouldn't be changed or can be changed until Allah wants
Otherwise everything is okay, we are all on the same page, what I have mentioned was the exact way I used to live my life before, and after studying the Hadith books. I don't believe any Scholar or Mufti until they have proven to me that their fatwa can be recognized with the Qur'an, and yes I learned that from a Hadith.
Please post your reply, and thanks for all of your help, it was a great experience learning here. The best thing I learned was that, I should finish the Qur'an first and try to memorize it so I won't need a Scholar's help to solve my problems. So I would know on the top of my head. What destroys the muslim faith is the fact that some people decide to follow whatever they are told blindly, which shouldn't be done. Even if it's true or not.
I am a follower more than a leader, and I like to absorb positive things from everyone, that's how I started adapting habits of our Prophet. Once again, Thanks, I have learned a lot here. My dad once said that you should finish reading and studying The Holy Qur'an before you move on to the Bible. He said that to me when I started reading/studying the Bible. When I started the Holy Qur'an it seemed to be as if it was a correction being made to the Bible, it started off in a similar way, it was as if the Qur'an was completing the entire religion, truly the words of Allah...Subhanallah!
This site has literally slapped me back on track, my blindness couldn't see the light that was being shown to me by the users constantly saying "Al-Qur'an". No matter how much you have read the Qur'an, you should keep on studying for more knowledge. However, the hadith and history is secondary.
Please post your opinions and replies!
Jazakallah!
Salam
Elena, I am confused because I am getting different answers from different people, so for now, I am going to consider mquran as a representative for the beliefs of this site. I won't waste my time getting into Rashad Khalifa's religion because that's a belief that they are strongly committed to. Free-mind people are similar to me, and accepting, therefore a debate for my knowledge can be held.
I always questioned the Hadeeth's authenticity but I don't think anyone has the authority to say if it's false or not. I just pick and choose between the ones that I like. What I want to make clear is the fact that I follow some Hadeeth, not because I think I will get blessings for it. I do it because I feel like it's a better way to live life. Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W)'s character, as stated in the Hadith was great, if you think it was fictious or not.
I believe there are three types of Hadeeth.
1) True Historical Events (wars etc.)
2) The Hadith that can be recognized with the Qur'an.
3) Very Old Hadith, non-historic and ones that cannot be recognized with the Qur'an.
I choose to believe in the first two, However, ALL Hadith aren't false or true. Therefore, we can assume that #2 might be truthful, but might have no concern in our lives, just a historical significance behind the specific Qur'anic Ayat. I follow #1 just to live my life in a better way and just for extra knowledge.
mquran, I agree with you 100%. That's what I meant to say, that the things that will save us from hell are basic, not the widespread knowledge of the history. I agree with you, follow the true Islam, be nice to everyone, not only to Muslims. I am sure you and me are following the True Islam, because we are doing the basic things that will save us from the Hell-Fire, Inshallah!
It's not the way you pray or the way you shake hands, its those basic things that we need, but we usually forget because we worry too much about the minor stuff that is usually preached to us. Sunni/Shi'a sects are not found in the Caribbean Islands. The muslims there are just simply muslim. Once I came to a conclusion that they must be Sunni since they don't do Matam. Now when I think about it, it makes me sad that Islam has sects and when you find out if your friend is a muslim, it's not enough. You usually find out if he's Sunni or Shi'a. You are right, we are far away from humanity, Islam is being turned into a political religion with many different sects following human beings instead of the Holy Qur'an.
However, the problem with this site is the fact that everyone here has different beliefs.
Andy, the Hadith you have stated are sayings or historical events which I don't believe in. I agree that the Hadith aren't what Islam was all about, I never had a Hadith book until a couple of years ago. Islam has been made very complicated for whatever reason, but it doesn't concern me. I won't go into too much details about the Hadith etc. because they don't matter or affect my life after death. From what I have read, I follow pnly some Hadith of our Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W). What I mean by follow is that I try to adapt certain habits of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W)stated in the Hadith. For example, eating manners, hygeine stuff, etc. I agree that the Hadith can be changed but the Qur'an cannot.
mquran, Thanks A Lot!!! for all of your help. You were the only person that actually made sense to me. The first reason is basically the fact that you didn't disrespect the Hadith or try to take apart the Hadith books but instead you told me your part without disrespecting anyone or any book. That for one, was the right way, which is the proper, decent, Islamic way. That's how the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) and his companions used to spread Islam, instead of finding mistakes in the Bible, they read out the verses from the Qur'an. As far as I can understand, your approach is that you are not completely denying the Prophet's Hadith.
95% of the muslims (Sunni and Shi'a) believe in the Hadith. Maybe other sects do as well.
I can't agree with anyone of you by denying all the Hadith, because that's my belief and what I think is right as well. I explained to everyone what my idea of the Hadith really is. Picking one or two unlogical Hadith doesn't mean all of them can't be followed BUT, the ones that contradict with the Qur'an shouldn't, ofcourse.
Like I said before, I have come to a conclusion for what my belief should really be, but I will state in a proper and easy format.
1. "La Illaha Il Allah Muhammad Ur Rasool Allah". - I am pretty sure you all are familiar with that.
2. Follow the Qur'an!!!
3. Allah comes first! and then I choose to put Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) as my peaceful and great role model in life.
My Beliefs about the Hadith:
1. The Hadith are there to guide you, they don't concern your life after death or your blessings but if you choose to adapt the ones where you are helping out the community and your land. Also the one where you do stuff for the humanity(not only muslims, ALL HUMANS). For my life to be a discipline and healthy one, I think it's good for me to follow the ones that concern the good and logical hobbies of the Prophet (S.A.W). I choose to live my life under his shadow, you know.
2. Prophets were great, God-Chosen, Heavenly people. They were all equal, like I stated in a post before. We have no right to judge who is better than who. I have no accounts of the lives of any other prophets except Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W). That's why I choose to live the life like he did. I mean you can't say that his great habits shouldn't be followed because they aren't mentioned in the Qur'an.
3. We all follow habits of some people, like our parents, grandparents, everyone has someone that influences them. I choose to follow the life of a Prophet, like he is my role model, but that doesn't mean I will marry 11 times. I just pick and choose the ones that are suitable for this era and my life. You never know I might get a Nobel Peace Prize if I work for my community or even on a wider scale. Being truthful to everyone, being nice and not hurting anyone emotionally or physically. You can't say that's a bad trait to adapt. I am not only influenced by the Prophet but his Companions/Caliphs as well.
4. Just like you can't say the ENTIRE Bible isn't the word of God, you can't say that ALL the Hadith are useless. But then again I don't follow the life of Prophet Jesus (Issa), but that's my choice, not that I am sinful because of it, its just because I choose to.
Sorry, but some of the posts I have read seem to me like you guys have something against the Hadith or the Prophet. I don't understand why there's a problem in choosing even one hadith for your life, not to gain blessings though, just for yourself. Some of you sound as if you are in the opposition of the Hadith, just because you don't believe they are authentic, doesn't mean you can't accept a couple. Fictious or Not, we ALL must agree that Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W)'s character and life was a very great one. If it's okay for us to follow Gandhi's peaceful way, then why say no to the Prophet, who had been through way worse?
I don't follow his life exactly and every step of the way, just some stuff that I choose and find good for myself. I mean come on, we all wash ourselves when we pee, lol. And our hands, specially before eating because you know, it would be gross, otherwise.
If we all are free-thinkers, we should just use the Hadith as a book of wise sayings, obviously not as a secondary source to the religion. I understood your religion long ago because that's my religion too, I am a Muslim. I am aslo a positive person, I try to find the good in everything and that's why I choose the Hadith. I even find good in a "gangsta rapper" Tupac, even though most might say he was a thug and gangster, but that's his negative half. All I can do is curse it and gain nothing, but lose energy and time as well. It's better to look at everything in a positive way, causes less stress, hate and opposition towards others.
Therefore I agree with mostly all of your beliefs because that's what Islam is. You guys don't believe that all the Hadith are true, but not ALL are false either. I only have one objection and that's the fact that you believe that the last two ayat of Surah Al-Taubah are not supposed to be there (some say yes, some say no on this site) so I am referring to those who don't. The Qur'an itself states that it shouldn't be changed or can be changed until Allah wants
Otherwise everything is okay, we are all on the same page, what I have mentioned was the exact way I used to live my life before, and after studying the Hadith books. I don't believe any Scholar or Mufti until they have proven to me that their fatwa can be recognized with the Qur'an, and yes I learned that from a Hadith.
Please post your reply, and thanks for all of your help, it was a great experience learning here. The best thing I learned was that, I should finish the Qur'an first and try to memorize it so I won't need a Scholar's help to solve my problems. So I would know on the top of my head. What destroys the muslim faith is the fact that some people decide to follow whatever they are told blindly, which shouldn't be done. Even if it's true or not.
I am a follower more than a leader, and I like to absorb positive things from everyone, that's how I started adapting habits of our Prophet. Once again, Thanks, I have learned a lot here. My dad once said that you should finish reading and studying The Holy Qur'an before you move on to the Bible. He said that to me when I started reading/studying the Bible. When I started the Holy Qur'an it seemed to be as if it was a correction being made to the Bible, it started off in a similar way, it was as if the Qur'an was completing the entire religion, truly the words of Allah...Subhanallah!
This site has literally slapped me back on track, my blindness couldn't see the light that was being shown to me by the users constantly saying "Al-Qur'an". No matter how much you have read the Qur'an, you should keep on studying for more knowledge. However, the hadith and history is secondary.
Please post your opinions and replies!
Jazakallah!
Salam