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#1
Peace Mariam.

I have always wondered ,about all the free things that GOD provided for us that we are supposed to share ,learn from and enjoy, why some of us claim it for themselves to own and complicate it for others?

GOD gave Qoran for free. GOD is the overseer of His scripture and guide of its use/understanding.Why would we turn this into a business and charge others for its use?
What makes the certificate from Imams a valid item , who gave them the authority to do this?

I am only asking a logical question of why do people claim what GOD has given free to all humanity and make a business out of it? "Yashtaruna Bihi Thamanan Kaleela"- Make money out of GOD s scripture!!

In other words, why does anyone need an Ijazah from humans to learn and study GOD s  words that are available to everyone for free from GOD?
Even if it is done for free! GOD is the sole teacher of His words/scripture.

As far as Qoran is concerned, it says to "Warn with it those who reverence/ are weary of accountability/ believe they will be gathered to meet at GOD".i.e "Pass on Qoran to others from GOD to get its message and seek guidance from GOD"

By all means one can memorise it, study it...etc but the main task is to follow its message.

Best of luck to all those who seek GOD s way and follow His words. May the Lord guide with His message all those who are sincerely seeking His guidance and mercy.
GOD bless you.
Peace
#2
Peace Fusion.
Thanks for clarifying your point.
However for me, all the scriptures of GOD carry GOD s signature.
 They are not the only mathematically composed creations of GOD where the number 19 is a common denominator.
 It is profound indeed that Galilee made his famous statement : "Mathematics is the language with which God created the universe." A plethora of scientific findings have now shown that the number 19 represents GOD's Signature upon His creations. This divine stamp appears throughout the universe in much the same manner as the signature of Michelangelo and Picasso identify their works.

Check ,for example your hand that you use for your personal signature on documents, GOD made it and put 19 bones on it .
We witness GOD s signature on many things in nature and many witness it on His scripture - Qoran- like what the witness from Beni Israeel did  with the Torah of Moses:

 Ponder these verses  and reflect what GOD wants us to witness then Follow "GOD Alone" by being certain about His scripture :
46:  6-13
And when the people are summoned (on the Day of Judgment), their idols will become their enemies, and will denounce their idolatry.*
وَإِذا حُشِرَ النّاسُ كانوا لَهُم أَعداءً وَكانوا بِعِبادَتِهِم كٰفِرينَ
When our revelations were recited to them, perfectly clear, those who disbelieved said of the truth that came to them, "This is obviously magic!"
وَإِذا تُتلىٰ عَلَيهِم ءايٰتُنا بَيِّنٰتٍ قالَ الَّذينَ كَفَروا لِلحَقِّ لَمّا جاءَهُم هٰذا سِحرٌ مُبينٌ
When they say, "He fabricated this," say, "If I fabricated this, then you cannot protect me from God. He is fully aware of everything you scheme. He suffices as a witness between me and you. He is the Forgiver, Most Merciful."
أَم يَقولونَ افتَرىٰهُ قُل إِنِ افتَرَيتُهُ فَلا تَملِكونَ لى مِنَ اللَّهِ شَيـًٔا هُوَ أَعلَمُ بِما تُفيضونَ فيهِ كَفىٰ بِهِ شَهيدًا بَينى وَبَينَكُم وَهُوَ الغَفورُ الرَّحيمُ
Say, "I am not different from other messengers. I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner."
قُل ما كُنتُ بِدعًا مِنَ الرُّسُلِ وَما أَدرى ما يُفعَلُ بى وَلا بِكُم إِن أَتَّبِعُ إِلّا ما يوحىٰ إِلَىَّ وَما أَنا۠ إِلّا نَذيرٌ مُبينٌ
Say, "What if it is from God and you disbelieved in it? A witness from the Children of Israel has borne witness to a similar phenomenon,- coded scripture by 19 signature-* and he has believed, while you have turned arrogant. Surely, God does not guide the wicked people."
قُل أَرَءَيتُم إِن كانَ مِن عِندِ اللَّهِ وَكَفَرتُم بِهِ وَشَهِدَ شاهِدٌ مِن بَنى إِسرٰءيلَ عَلىٰ مِثلِهِ فَـٔامَنَ وَاستَكبَرتُم إِنَّ اللَّهَ لا يَهدِى القَومَ الظّٰلِمينَ
Those who disbelieved said about those who believed, "If it were anything good, they would not have accepted it before us." Because they were not guided to it, they said, "This is an old fabrication!"
وَقالَ الَّذينَ كَفَروا لِلَّذينَ ءامَنوا لَو كانَ خَيرًا ما سَبَقونا إِلَيهِ وَإِذ لَم يَهتَدوا بِهِ فَسَيَقولونَ هٰذا إِفكٌ قَديمٌ
Before this, the book of Moses provided guidance and mercy.- That scripture was also coded with 19 signature- This too is a scripture that confirms, in Arabic, to warn those who transgressed, and to give good news to the righteous.
وَمِن قَبلِهِ كِتٰبُ موسىٰ إِمامًا وَرَحمَةً وَهٰذا كِتٰبٌ مُصَدِّقٌ لِسانًا عَرَبِيًّا لِيُنذِرَ الَّذينَ ظَلَموا وَبُشرىٰ لِلمُحسِنينَ
Surely, those who say, "Our Lord is God," then lead a righteous life, will have no fear, nor will they grieve.
إِنَّ الَّذينَ قالوا رَبُّنَا اللَّهُ ثُمَّ استَقٰموا فَلا خَوفٌ عَلَيهِم وَلا هُم يَحزَنونَ

Once we witness we become certain - absolutely no doubt-
Over the scripture is this:
عَلَيها تِسعَةَ عَشَرَ
19 code is protecting the letters, verses surahs of this GOD s  "one book" - Qoran- to distinguish it from  all men s books.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
#3
Do I understand that the argument here is Qoran V Hadiths?

Then the argument about the many versions of Qoran v One version from GOD is something different.

Or does many version of Qoran justify Hadith coming into play against what everyone agrees are GOD s words?

There is no need ,from all versions of Qoran , for any other Hadith from anyone . Or is this not clear in Qoran- Yes any version that exist-.?

If Qoran is taken seriously and GOD words are pondered and given value ,then GOD says His words are the best hadith and the only Hadith for salvation/GOD s deen.
How can we even ponder other words have more or even equal value?
Where is the logic in that the created gives hadith for the Creator s religion?
Is this not the end for any GOD s words  v men s words argument?
GOD bless you all.
Peace.
#4
Peace All.
"GOD guides" is a conviction and a way to lead life by doing not just saying things.

So here is the task for those who want to surrender and follow GOD s straight path:
1-intention, sincerity and honesty to start this journey.

2-Use of GOD s given faculties and accepting that one is accountable for these- use of "the eyes, ears and brain".

3- Trust and loyalty to GOD Alone as the authority, judge and guide.

4-the best path forward with peace , good intention/ treating everyone the same but Keep fighting all oppositions to GOD s way including from your own self.

5- Always aim for " check all information and follow the best path with peace , wisdom and support from GOD.

GOD does everything the right way. His words are eternal and measured. Code 19 is His framework for all creation including His scriptures.
It is easy to ignore clear signs when the heart rebels.

GOD s words soften the hearts and sharpen the minds.

"Man Ihtada , Fa Innama Yahtadi Linafsehi..." Whoever is guided it is for his own self.

Keep digging for your own truth.

GOD bless you all
Peace
#5
Peace All.

If GOD guides, then all issues about His Deen will unravel to the sincere along the journey of total loyalty
 and submission to GOD S system/way- Sirat Al Mustaqeem-

It does not matter which Qoran version one comes across with , GOD will guide/teach the sincere the truth and the way to lead life as a devotee to GOD Alone.

This is the crunch of the debate about GOD s system V Men s systems:

"Yahdi Bihi Allah Mani Ittabaa Ridwanahu Subula Al SalamYahdi, Wa Yukhrijahum Mina Al Thulumati Ila Al Nuri Bi- Idhnihi..."
GOD guides with "it"- Qoran- those who follow His ways/systems/laws/version of events...
GOD bless you all.
Peace.
#6
Peace all.

Qoran clearly states that  Qoran  is the dhikr-Reminder- .i.e it reminds all the generations till the end of time:

"Wa Hada Dhikr Mubarakun Anzalnahu..."- This( Qoran) is a blessed Dhikrun / reminder that We have sent down-

"Saad Wa Al Qoran DhI al Dhikr"-Qoran that contains the reminder-

"Wa Qalu Ya Ayyuha Alladi Nuzzila Alaihi AL Dhikr Innnaka Lamajnoon...." -They Said: Oh you who has received the Reminder/Qoran or confirmed with Qoran..., you are crazy-...And many more verses clarifying this fact.

As for this verse:
15:8    We do not send down the angels except with the truth, and then they would have no more delay.

THis is saying that if Angels come down it means it is the end time for humanity , Judgement day will arrive :

"Those who do not expect to meet us said, "If only the angels could come down to us, or we could see our Lord (we would then believe)!" Indeed, they have committed a gross arrogance, and have produced a gross blasphemy.
وَقالَ الَّذينَ لا يَرجونَ لِقاءَنا لَولا أُنزِلَ عَلَينَا المَلٰئِكَةُ أَو نَرىٰ رَبَّنا لَقَدِ استَكبَروا فى أَنفُسِهِم وَعَتَو عُتُوًّا كَبيرًا
The day they see the angels, it will not be good news for the guilty; they will say, "Now, we are irreversibly confined."
يَومَ يَرَونَ المَلٰئِكَةَ لا بُشرىٰ يَومَئِذٍ لِلمُجرِمينَ وَيَقولونَ حِجرًا مَحجورًا"

And:
"The heaven will break apart, into masses of clouds, and the angels will descend in multitudes.
وَيَومَ تَشَقَّقُ السَّماءُ بِالغَمٰمِ وَنُزِّلَ المَلٰئِكَةُ تَنزيلًا
All sovereignty on that day belongs to the Most Gracious. For the disbelievers, it will be a difficult day.
المُلكُ يَومَئِذٍ الحَقُّ لِلرَّحمٰنِ وَكانَ يَومًا عَلَى الكٰفِرينَ عَسيرًا"

In other words Angels will not be sent with a reminder beforehand, human messenger does this.. If Angels play any role as messengers for humans they will appear in the shape and form of humans as they are from another world/dimension.
GOD bless you all.
Peace.
#7
Peace.
Hummmm, Interesting.

Does justice should also include justified necessity, intention and context of actions.?
Do not kill except...
Do not brake GOD s laws except...etc

So it is also logical and necessary  to have exceptions.
Or may be I am just misunderstanding  the Fatiha  and true justice of GOD , which renders my comment as a question:
"What about the justified  exceptions to rules/laws?"
Is this not pert of the mercy as well ?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
#8
Thanks Wakas.

Of course if one believes in GOD and believes GOD, then this following sentence summarises all GOD s words v humans words:
"Wa Man Ahsanu Mina Allah Quila"--- Who s better at telling the truth of things than GOD?---

Only the trust in GOD, His words and guidance will succeed.
GOD has confirmed for us that He is the sole authority,the sole judge and source for His one and only Deen/religion to all humanity.
All other hadiths are irrelevant and should be checked. Qoran is the check point/ctiteria of GOD s laws /deen/system.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
#9
Peace tatanka.

Fusion is right. The replacement is of the disbelief instead of the belief/faith.;
Also the verb is "Yatabadal"  not "Yabadal" which clarifies that the disbelief is replacing the belief/faith:
2:108
"Do you wish to demand of your messenger what was demanded of Moses in the past? Anyone who replaces/chooses disbelief, instead of belief/faith, has truly strayed off the right path.
أَم تُريدونَ أَن تَسـَٔلوا رَسولَكُم كَما سُئِلَ موسىٰ مِن قَبلُ وَمَن يَتَبَدَّلِ الكُفرَ بِالإيمٰنِ فَقَد ضَلَّ سَواءَ السَّبيلِ

The following context also clarifies this:
2:109
Many followers of the scripture would rather see you revert to disbelief, now that you have believed. This is due to jealousy on their part, after the truth has become evident to them. You shall pardon them, and leave them alone, until God issues His judgment. God is Omnipotent.
وَدَّ كَثيرٌ مِن أَهلِ الكِتٰبِ لَو يَرُدّونَكُم مِن بَعدِ إيمٰنِكُم كُفّارًا حَسَدًا مِن عِندِ أَنفُسِهِم مِن بَعدِ ما تَبَيَّنَ لَهُمُ الحَقُّ فَاعفوا وَاصفَحوا حَتّىٰ يَأتِىَ اللَّهُ بِأَمرِهِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلىٰ كُلِّ شَىءٍ قَديرٌ

Like saying for example the Americans have replaced Trump instead of Biden as president, this choice will more likely leave them worse off.

GOD bless you.
Peace.
#10
Peace Fusion.

For me the ultimate messenger is Qoran Alone.
Any messenger after Muhammed including Muhammed will only pass on the message from GOD- Qoran-

GOD Alone knows how to test the generations. Any messenger that confirms the message of Qoran and preaches GOD Alone as a source and authority for GOD s religion will direct only to Qoran s message .
Therefore Qoran is the most important messenger.
As for why a new messenger, this is what Rashad said:
https://submission.org/App33.html

I take what Qoran confirms for me according to my own understanding and search and so should each human.
GOD makes sure Qoranis available for all the future generation , so. no issues with true or false messengers should arise.
Thank you for the discussion.
GOD bless you.
Peace.