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Peace All.
"Wa Tilka Hujjatuna..."  GOD s argument is in Qoran Let us ponder it about certain Words that are clear and precise about :
1- GOD s words:
 
If one believes Qoran is GOD s words sent through a messenger/ Nabi, then does this not mean one believes in both the sender and the message. Does the Qoran not say to "Follow only what GOD has revealed /message"?
However , this is the common mistake and misunderstanding made by those who follow the words/ attributed to/ words heard/hearsay of the messenger  and those who passed the hadiths after his time.

Is GOD s argument not clear in Qoran that those who follow other than His words are assigning partners in the deen with Him?
The messenger s own words/sayings or any other humans explaining/ interpreting GOD s words are not "What GOD has revealed only"?
 Therefore if anything contradicts/GOD s words it is not from GOD. If anything agrees with GOD words then it is in the message. Or why has GOD given us the eyes, ears and brain? To use others when we are responsible for ours!
Or what does "follow what GOD has revealed only" means? Does it not mean one GOD ,one source and one authority/author of the laws?

2-What is the role of the messenger?

Why does GOD only ever say in Qoran" follow the messenger" or "obey the messenger" "Follow the gentile prophet who believes in GOD and His words".." But never ever obey the prophet in the context of the deen/ salvation/religion of GOD and the laws of GOD...?

Because Messenger and message bring GOD s words only to us and no other .
Messenger human can only bring or confirm GOD s words, never ever bring his own words/message with GOD s.

3- When does the penny drop about humans, their hearsay, fabrications and lies?

Qoran hits the nail on the head£ :"Wala Yunabbiuka Mithlu Khabir" None can give you the true narrations except the all knowledgeable" i.e Only GOD -the truth- can give us the truth by sending us His own words/message.

Is GOD argument not clear and solid that His words are the only source for His deen?
So what is the role of humans words in GOD s message?

Messenger = message= GOD s scriptures= Qoran.
Human s messengers deliver GOD s message, move on and have no role after their death. The message will be the ever living messenger and GOD s words will be the source and guide for all generations.
GOD bless you all.
Peace.

Peace.
GOD has one system and one religion. Qoran clearly clarifies this fact.

Why do humans divide into many religions and sects?
GOD has said that His scriptures and messengers bring the same religion from GOD - one religion of GOD- "
 "Islam/submission to GOD Alone":

There is only one religion acceptable to God -  Islam/Submission. Anyone who submits to God and devotes the life given to him by GOD to GOD ALONE is a "Submitter."

This religion is timeless and universal to all GOD s creatures. It is a state of mind and has only one authority and one source- GOD Alone-.

[QOran 3:19] The only religion approved by God is Islam/ "Submission." Ironically, those who have received the scripture are the ones who dispute this fact, despite the knowledge they have received, due to jealousy/feud/animosity.... For such rejectors of God's revelations, God is most strict in reckoning.

[Qoran 3:85] Anyone who accepts other than Islam/ Submission as his religion, it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter, he will be with the losers.

I do not see Sunni Islam coming  from the messenger of Qoran. It contradicts it and has a different , human authority and source- Hadiths-.
Or where does GOD say His religion sent by any of His messengers is Sunni Islam?

[Qoran 39:45] When God ALONE is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter shrink with aversion. But when others are mentioned beside Him, they become satisfied.*

Or did Abraham, Moses , Jesus... follow Sunni Islam?
GOD bless.
Peace.

Peace All.

GOD has one system and one religion. Qoran clearly clarifies this fact.

Why do humans divide into many religions and sects?
GOD has said that His scriptures and messengers bring the same religion from GOD - one religion of GOD- " 
 "Islam/submission to GOD Alone":

There is only one religion acceptable to God -  Islam/Submission. Anyone who submits to God and devotes the life given to him by GOD to GOD ALONE is a "Submitter."

This religion is timeless and universal to all GOD s creatures. It is a state of mind and has only one authority and one source- GOD Alone-.

[QOran 3:19] The only religion approved by God is Islam/ "Submission." Ironically, those who have received the scripture are the ones who dispute this fact, despite the knowledge they have received, due to jealousy/feud/animosity.... For such rejectors of God's revelations, God is most strict in reckoning.

[Qoran 3:85] Anyone who accepts other than Islam/ Submission as his religion, it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter, he will be with the losers.

I do not see Sunni Islam coming  from the messenger of Qoran. It contradicts it and has a different , human authority and source- Hadiths-.
Or where does GOD say His religion sent by any of His messengers is Sunni Islam?

[Qoran 39:45] When God ALONE is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter shrink with aversion. But when others are mentioned beside Him, they become satisfied.*

Or did Abraham, Moses , Jesus... follow Sunni Islam?
Was their religion/way of life Islam to GOD?
GOD bless you all.
Peace.

Peace Shukri.
I shall put some of my thoughts here, for getting them out of my mind and sending them out there for analysis and reflection. Of course for me too to learn from those answering them and for correction.


I see Qoran as a live book, manifesting heaps of ideas from its users /interpretations.
Now , many take a lot of unseen things literally and we sometimes -all of us using Qoran- end up with confusing, amusing and contradictory experiences.

1- Who are the Angels and do humans see Angels?
 
I think those who see Angels will not know- Until after the experience- as Qoran says if we make them visible= Rusul= We turn them into humans. They think at first they are dealing with humans; But we are told Angels are involved in our lives, recording, observing and protecting and will terminate the life of each human.

2- Will we see Iblees and the Jinn?

Qoran says- We do not see Iblees and his tribe but they see us. However those who choose to try and contact them may succeed and interact /work with them- Magic, wickedness. false power... Those who stay away, Jinns will have no power over them.

3- Since there is zero benefit from our enemies, why even bother to want to know that side of GOD s creations. Are we told to look after ourselves and mind our own business , apart from what GOD has detailed for us about all His creations?
So I think part of saving ourselves requires that we do not seek any connection or interaction with Jinns. At least that is what GOD warns us about.

4- Experiences of folks vary according to heir deep convictions and intentions in this life. Stories therefore can be exaggerated, invented  or used for agendas.
It is better to disregard after reading and we move to what benefits us.
 Of course there is nothing wrong with asking to clarify. I am just giving my thoughts too.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace Marwan-Aed.
So A kaffir is only the one who says GOD does not exist?

The lesson of Qoran- Al Dhikr- is for those who have a heart- A mind- and is able to hear and witness.

Iblis believes in GOD ,what do you call those who pretend to believe and  try to hide their "Kufr"?
These :

Then there are those who say, "We believe in God and the Last Day," while they are not believers.
وَمِنَ النّاسِ مَن يَقولُ ءامَنّا بِاللَّهِ وَبِاليَومِ الـٔاخِرِ وَما هُم بِمُؤمِنينَ
In trying to deceive God and those who believe, they only deceive themselves without perceiving.
يُخٰدِعونَ اللَّهَ وَالَّذينَ ءامَنوا وَما يَخدَعونَ إِلّا أَنفُسَهُم وَما يَشعُرونَ
In their hearts/ minds there is a disease. Consequently, God augments their disease. They have incurred a painful retribution for their lying.
فى قُلوبِهِم مَرَضٌ فَزادَهُمُ اللَّهُ مَرَضًا وَلَهُم عَذابٌ أَليمٌ بِما كانوا يَكذِبونَ
When they are told, "Do not commit evil," they say, "But we are righteous!"
وَإِذا قيلَ لَهُم لا تُفسِدوا فِى الأَرضِ قالوا إِنَّما نَحنُ مُصلِحونَ
In fact, they are evildoers, but they do not perceive.
أَلا إِنَّهُم هُمُ المُفسِدونَ وَلٰكِن لا يَشعُرونَ

Belief should be complimented by following the straight path.
In fact you will find multitudes buy straying-Thinking it is guidance - instead of real guidance- which they call straying-. Well such trade will never prosper nor will they receive any guidance.

Let us not confound the truth with falsehood ,nor conceal the truth knowingly when studying the scripture.Let us leave the judgement of people - Kaffirs and believers- to GOD Alone.

So it is only others who can be kaffirs while we forget to double check ourselves? Yet we study GOD s scripture!Or should we try to understand what GOD is saying to us?
 Let us remember that we are accountable to the Lord and  should believe also that we are going to meet Him and to Him we will all ultimately return.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

So There is no freedom of choice?
And your role is to show folks the right path?
Then this is a delusion ,if only you had any power over others!

GOD has clearly given all of us to "Believe in it or do not believe in it" and both sides are free to choose their own path. Believers are diverse and so are disbelievers. It is only GOD who will show them where they differ.

If others know GOD sends messengers or think they know and want to believe anyway they choose , it is none of your business. Nor it is their business that you choose not to believe.

Save your own neck and they do the same.
But you are entitled to answer anyway you like .within the rules of the forum of course.

Yes, I am a fool for answering your post. I shall apologise and keep to what I said before, I will stop now.
GOD bless.
Peace.

Peace Emre.
Qoran was sent in the 7th century. Its roles were written in it  The most recent role of the Qoran -As Al Dhikr- has been going on since the 1980 s.
Basically the awaited Messiah of the Jews, Jesus of the Christians and Mahdi of the Muslims  is the Qoran making a second coming to these last generations.

All religions will slowly die out. Submission through Qoran s message will spread through the world as prophesised in Surah 110.
( Notice in Surah 110 GOD does not say "Enter Islam" or "Become believers" But emphasised " Enter GOD s Religion" Which means both True Islam and believers,)
There is no need to worry about communism. socialism or capitalism or any other ..ism.

GOD has always been and will always be in control.
( Basically throughout history the Illuminati/gangsters did  exactly the same acts as the following summary of Thamud and the brother Salih):

"We have sent to Thamud their brother Salih, saying, "You shall  follow/worship/serve God." But they turned into two feuding factions.
وَلَقَد أَرسَلنا إِلىٰ ثَمودَ أَخاهُم صٰلِحًا أَنِ اعبُدُوا اللَّهَ فَإِذا هُم فَريقانِ يَختَصِمونَ
He said, "O my people, why do you hasten to commit evil on earth instead of good works? If only you implore God for forgiveness, you may attain mercy."
قالَ يٰقَومِ لِمَ تَستَعجِلونَ بِالسَّيِّئَةِ قَبلَ الحَسَنَةِ لَولا تَستَغفِرونَ اللَّهَ لَعَلَّكُم تُرحَمونَ
They said, "We consider you a bad omen for us, you and those who joined you." He said, "Your omen is fully controlled by God. Indeed, you are deviant people."
قالُوا اطَّيَّرنا بِكَ وَبِمَن مَعَكَ قالَ طٰئِرُكُم عِندَ اللَّهِ بَل أَنتُم قَومٌ تُفتَنونَ
There were nine gangsters/Illuminati in the city who were wicked, and never did anything good.
وَكانَ فِى المَدينَةِ تِسعَةُ رَهطٍ يُفسِدونَ فِى الأَرضِ وَلا يُصلِحونَ
They said, "Let us swear by God that we kill him and his people, then tell his tribe, `We know nothing about their death. We are truthful.' "
قالوا تَقاسَموا بِاللَّهِ لَنُبَيِّتَنَّهُ وَأَهلَهُ ثُمَّ لَنَقولَنَّ لِوَلِيِّهِ ما شَهِدنا مَهلِكَ أَهلِهِ وَإِنّا لَصٰدِقونَ
They plotted and schemed, but we also plotted and schemed, while they did not perceive.
وَمَكَروا مَكرًا وَمَكَرنا مَكرًا وَهُم لا يَشعُرونَ
Note the consequences of their plotting; we annihilated them and all their people.
فَانظُر كَيفَ كانَ عٰقِبَةُ مَكرِهِم أَنّا دَمَّرنٰهُم وَقَومَهُم أَجمَعينَ
Here are their homes utterly ruined, because of their transgression. This should be a lesson for people who know.
فَتِلكَ بُيوتُهُم خاوِيَةً بِما ظَلَموا إِنَّ فى ذٰلِكَ لَـٔايَةً لِقَومٍ يَعلَمونَ
We save those who believe and lead a righteous life.
وَأَنجَينَا الَّذينَ ءامَنوا وَكانوا يَتَّقونَ

May the Lord have Mercy and save the believers.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Let us consider the role of Qoran and make this strong point that kills all debates and arguments about it going on aimlessly back and forth:

1- What is its origin?
2-If it is not human made then who initiated it and why?
3- If it has a phenomenon numeric structure, can this be from a human knowledge?

So if one comes to a conclusion that Qoran is from a source outside a human , Then it must be from a knowledgeable being for a good reason/ purpose.

Those who study it and believe it is from the Lord of the universe ,our Creator- will find that this is clearly detailed in its contents-
 So what next for them? To debate it aimlessly or to use its message for our way of life?

True believers will follow what is revealed from their Lord and aim to get ready for the coming meeting with Him by following, heeding and executing their Lords instructions in it for them to lead a righteous life.
Mocking others, calling them or wasting their time disrespecting freedom of choices of others is a trait
abhorred in the message of Qoran.
Debating/conversing by what is best ,in the best manner with a better behaviour is recommended in it.

So , is this not the best argument if one follows the book?
Pure  Hypocrisy is to force or even expect strongly others to adapt other than their GOD given right to their own freedom of choice.
There should not be any need to be personal in a debate/conversation. You can know this from the posts easily.
This is not the reason/purpose of the message.
Or is one going to ignore this strong argument that kills all arguments that say or hint otherwise?
GOD bless.
Peace.

Peace  Marwan-Aed.

May be for you and some of those who follow Qoran say Science is not true or consistent.
Science can be verified and checked. There are some facts that have solid evidence behind them.

In fact many proofs through Mathematics  and Physics laws have stood the test and Scientist are in total agreement with these proven facts.

And of course there are a lot of experimental theories and research in Science that is still ongoing.
The Science of the brain and heart functions are in that field. Research is still going on

As for what is a Kaffir and how one comes to know who is kaffir, this is a different subject altogether and has nothing to do with the subject of this thread.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace Wakas.
Thanks for your input.

Yes, there are many instances where the "Heart" in Qoran can be a metaphor or other than the actual human organ.

However, do we/does Science understand everything about the roles of the brain and heart and the control of the mind/thoughts?

For example " Fa Innaha La Tahma Al Absar Wa Lakin Tahma Al Gulub Allati Fi Al Suddur"
"It is not the eyes that go blind but the hearts inside the chest"...etc.
What can the human heart do as its functions? DO we know everything/does Science ?

It seems that Science is still correcting many theories and improving its searches about many things that have been understood wrong so far.
GOD bless you.
Peace.