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#1
An interesting video regarding the Rome and European beliefs.


the winner always destroy the symbols, the books, the achievements of the defeated.

So according to  Ar-Rum, Had the Romans won first and then be defeated? Or vice versa?

Why the believers will rejoice? Any thought?
#2
Salaam,
just saw this forum new looks. Click directly to the login button threw an error. I have to click sign up first and then click again the login button to make successful login.

 :sun:  :sun:

Admin, could you please inform the benefit of this upgraded forum? Better search? more functionality? Thank you.
#3
Introduce Yourself / Re: Hello!
September 05, 2023, 09:13:28 PM
Salaam Rugelach,

Welcome to the forum.  :welcome:


Quote from: Rugelach on September 04, 2023, 06:35:31 AM
Hi,

I'm new here in the forum.

I came to conclusion that Quran and Quran alone should be followed and not interpretations of people who say things on their own.

I don't know what to say, I'm totally confused right now about how this works.

Just start reading the Quran, and what is made easy of it.

73:20 ......So read what is made easy of the Qur'an. He knows that there will be sick among you, and others that go forth in the land seeking from the bounty of God, and others who are fighting in the cause of God, so read what you can of it. And uphold the commitment and contribute towards purification and lend God a loan of righteousness. And whatever you put forth yourselves, you will find it with God, for it is better and a greater reward. And seek the forgiveness of God, for God is Forgiving, Merciful.

For me, the easiest things to understand are:

1. Believe in one God. It's not possible to have more than one God, the creator, the administrator of the universe and do not associating partners with God with religious leaders who make laws besides God's laws
2. Avoid evil deeds. Do not commit corruption and collusion to gain personal gain. Do not commit adultery, and do not cheat, etc
3. Do good deeds. Give the money you love to help people around you (parents, relatives, poor people, orphans etc). Just remember, it must be the money that you love, not pennies that easy to give. In my case, it's 20% of my monthly net income.
4. Believe in last day. That all of these will come to an end, and we will get reward or punishment for what we have done in this worldly life.

These are the essence of the teachings of the Quran.

Peace
#4
Salaam Ervin,
Quote from: Ervin on January 16, 2018, 08:01:43 AM
Peace everyone,

I wanted to revisit this thread and see if there are more people who have read the natural republic and what's your opinion?

Thanks

I just read it fast. At glance it's good. The intention is good.

However it's just like any other "Quranist movement", who exclusively worship the Quran only.

I completely disagree with those Quranists who believe that the Quran is the only road to salvation. They condemned prior books, such as the Taurat and the Injil, as perverted, corrupted and no longer fit for use.

They name themselves the Monotheist Group, but they are essentially just Quran worshippers. Because it contains no other monotheist creed.

The Quran only applies to those whoever it reaches, whether through the family line or other means.

6:19   Say: "Which is the greatest testimony <shahādatan>?" Say: "God is witness between me and you, and He has inspired to me this Qur'an that I may warn you with it and whoever it reaches, that you are bearing witness that with God are other gods!" Say: "I do not bear witness!" Say: "He is only One god, and I am innocent of what you have set up!"

Are you feeling lucky? Are you God's chosen one to receive the only authentic book and the only road to salvation? Were other humans created by God apart from you and your group, only to end up in hell because they were given a tainted book? Is it really their fault?

The exclusive Quranist merely repeats the errors of the people of the books, who were exclusive and fanatical in their views.

2:111 And they said: "None shall enter Paradise except those who are Jews or Nazarenes;" this is what they wish! Say: "Bring forth your proof if you are truthful."

Look at the Quranists now, they say and behave like the Jews and Christians... none will enter the paradise  except the Quranists.. but they have no proof.

If a Quranist manage to enter paradise, it does not mean that those who do not follow Quran will not be able to. Heaven is not an exclusive place for their people.

To find the truth, one must strive inside his/her beliefs regardless the book that reaches him/her. Sunni/Shia become open-minded Quranist, Christian become true monotheistic Injil follower  Jews become true monotheistic Taurat follower..and so on

15:9   Indeed it is We who have sent down the reminder, and indeed it is We who will preserve it.

Because Allah preserve His reminder. Taurat and Injil are also God's reminders. Taurat, Injil and Quran may have several versions. but God's messages that can save people from the fires of hell are preserved in it.

That's justice.
#5
Introduce Yourself / Re: Salamun Alaikum
July 15, 2023, 12:38:03 AM
Salaam Dias,
Welcome to the forum. Look forward to your participation.

:welcome:

#6
Salaam Wakas,

Quote from: Wakas on July 01, 2023, 01:21:05 AM
peace all,

amin,
We can all have different views, that is fine, but my article specifically has questions people can run their understanding through. Unfortunately very few people do and simply continue on their merry way.
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Abraham-Sacrifice-Questions.html
For example you can see this post for what happened when jkhan attempted to answer those Qs.

tlihawa,
The Abraham four birds story has been discussed on here before, e.g. here. as well as Moses water split story (tsunami, wind set down). Each can have "natural laws" explanations.


Background:
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15458.0
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604966.msg320062#msg320062
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597934.msg194774#msg194774

Thanks for the links given. Perhaps the last one was misquoted?

But it's okay. I have been here for years and I've seen various opinions about this "law of nature".

And as you can see for yourself in the thread you provided, your view of 2:260 has been rebutted by several people. This is not because of you or them have bad logic, but because everyone has their own scenario or context in their heads.

Just as you construct a number of questions about Ibrahim and his son with the intention of helping others draw conclusions, but basically the questions you ask cannot be separated from the context that you have built and believed in before. And it can be irrelevant to other with different context and different way of thinking.

Everyone has their own context that is built in their head which greatly influences how they translate a verse.

If you believe that Allah will not make deviations in His laws even with good reasons, then you will try to explain all the "miracles" into "natural law", and all the "evil command by God" to something else.. And I think there's a lot of homework needs to be done (ie. Creation of Adam, Musa's white hand, creation of Isa, etc)

That is why, we cannot expect that the same methodology will produce the same conclusion.

When you have built a certain context in your head, all related verses will certainly be translated to support that context.

In addressing differences of opinion, I prefer to find out the context in which a person bases himself, to see why he comes to that conclusion, and to understand why it's different with mine. And I don't immediately judge that his logic is bad, we just differ in the context we use. Logic only works to support that context.

Don't be disappointed if people disagree with you, we just differ in understanding the context that underlies our way of thinking. This is not a right or wrong area, this is just an agree or disagree area.

Btw, I saw the progress of studyquran.co.uk stuck at 93%? What's going on? Really admire your works. It helps me a lot. Thank you.

Peace
#7
Salaam amin,
Quote from: amin on June 30, 2023, 11:54:28 PM
I see its the story of a Man(possibly a vegetarian) who relocated to the dessert, he struggled and faced extreme hardships for survival, his consciousness and thought its God's will to sacrifice his son as the only option, God blessed him with a new way, with a goat surfaced and he sacrificed that.

Its a belief of Goodness ways. Many animals too kill their off-springs for survival.

never heard such story before. But I do believe, we are forbidden to kill other people except for the reasons explained in the book.

The stories in the Quran are told so that we can take lessons. However, we must be flexible enough to understand the context.

In the case of the murder of a child in the story of the prophet Musa, Prophet Musa reacted exactly according to God's law that he understood, that killing is permissible only to avenge another soul.

But the Quran certainly has deviations for very good reasons. for example,

- When Ibrahim lied about who broke the idols of his people (he lied for good reason)
- When Ibrahim cut four birds into pieces just to satisfy his curiosity how Allah brings the dead back to life, (the birds were not really dead)
- When the fire grew cold when it burned Ibrahim. This is "against God's law" regarding the nature of fire
- When Musa walked in the middle of the sea, so he and his people were safe but not with Pharaoh and his army. This "violates God's law" regarding the nature of water
- and various other examples

does this make God inconsistent with his laws?

Of course not, because these all have good reasons. We can't dictate to God what he can and can't do. Don't be god to God  ;D

Even though Prophet Ibrahim was ordered to kill his son, his son did not really die

The child who was killed in the case of Musa, did not violate God's law, because God knew that he would coerce and suppress his parents, a reason where we are allowed to fight and kill.

That is why I wrote earlier about the importance of prioritizing God's revelation over our conscience.

Today very often Quran verses are translated according to human ethical standards.

For example,
Human ethics dictates that a man may not beat a woman, so the Quran must comply with this rule.

I think it's fine, as long as there is no tendency to feel embarrassed seeing that the Quran does not comply with man-made ethical standards.

Peace..
#8
Salaam,
Quote from: jkhan on June 29, 2023, 10:15:06 PM
I know you have something totally against to what I say but Quran's truth stands above all mean speculations..  Speak with Quran and let's see you speak truth or Quran does.

Thank you.. Ponder with calmness and not to overcome me but to reflect Quran's truth,  then I am sure you will know you are wrong here..

Just consider that's your truth and I have mine.

I know why you're thinking that way, and I don't have to prove anything. I just don't agree the way you thinking and some rules/standard you have setup on your framework. So you have to understand that you cannot bring me to your standard and vice versa.

I'm here just to share my opinion, God is fully aware of who is best guided, not you and not me.

17:84   Say: "Let each work according to his own. Your Lord is fully aware of who is best guided to the path."

So my suggestion, stop thinking that you're the only center of the truth, and you're the only "Quran". Just share your opinion, I'm fully understand the way you're thinking, and I don't blame you for that.

I just don't like people when they asked for feedback on their opinion and when someone disagree on him, suddenly he become prophet Shuaib talking to non believers.

You have to learn on how to agree to disagree.

Peace
#9
Salaam,
I do believe God told Ibrahim to sacrifice his son. There is a great lesson in Ibrahim and Musa's stories regarding "killing innocent people". Where we can see that Ibrahim passed and Musa did not pass the test. Of course this is not to compare between God's messengers, because we are not allowed to differentiate between them, but this is more to the wisdom that we must place God's revelation above conscience.

Ibrahim passed because he put revelation on top of his conscience. Musa failed because he prioritized his conscience rather than instructions from someone who was given the way by God, the revelation itself.

This is not a kind of test that is given to us in our daily life, we will not be tested to kill our son or daughter, or let someone kill for no reason.

But this is for us to always prioritize God's revelation above our personal judgement.

We are Muslims and we surrender to God. God really knows what is best for us, and in many cases, what is good for us is not necessarily what we want based on our personal judgement.

2:216   Warfare has been decreed for you while you hate it; and perhaps you may hate something while it is good for you, and perhaps you may love something while it is bad for you; and God knows while you do not know.

Peace
#10
General Issues / Questions / Re: What is life?
June 17, 2023, 08:46:04 AM
Quote from: shukri on June 17, 2023, 06:41:38 AM
I'm just asking bro Jafar about his belief

Btw, I'm a Quran follower
Before that I was an atheist/agnostic

Salaam.

Oh okay, I just saw your message regarding reincarnation, and just wondering how it works with the Last day and The Gathering day..

I heard some Quranist people believe in reincarnation, but I still don't understand how it works.

Peace