Practical Explanation ( For Example ) :- `1st of all can you tell me every single seconds detail from that time when you born ?? ( i need every seconds detail ?? that what- what you have thought and done on every single second )
can you tell me every single detail of your `1 cheapest Minute Or your whole hour, day, week, month, year or your whole life ??
if you are not able to tell me about this life then what proof do you have that you didn't forget your past ? and that you will not forget this present life in the future ?
that is Fact that Supreme Lord Krishna exists but we posses no such intelligence to understand him.
there is also next life. and i already proved you that no scientist, no politician, no so-called intelligent man in this world is able to understand this Truth. cuz they are imagining. and you cannot imagine what is god, who is god, what is after life etc.
_______
for example :Your father existed before your birth. you cannot say that before your birth your father don,t exists.
So you have to ask from mother, "Who is my father?" And if she says, "This gentleman is your father," then it is all right. It is easy.
Otherwise, if you makes research, "Who is my father?" go on searching for life; you'll never find your father.
( now maybe...maybe you will say that i will search my father from D.N.A, or i will prove it by photo's, or many other thing's which i will get from my mother and prove it that who is my Real father.{ So you have to believe the authority. who is that authority ? she is your mother. you cannot claim of any photo's, D.N.A or many other things without authority ( or ur mother ).
if you will show D.N.A, photo's, and many other proofs from other women then your mother. then what is use of those proofs ??} )
same you have to follow real authority. "Whatever You have spoken, I accept it," Then there is no difficulty. And You are accepted by Devala, Narada, Vyasa, and You are speaking Yourself, and later on, all the acaryas have accepted. Then I'll follow.
I'll have to follow great personalities. The same reason mother says, this gentleman is my father. That's all. Finish business. Where is the necessity of making research? All authorities accept Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. You accept it; then your searching after God is finished.
Why should you waste your time?
_______
all that is you need is to hear from authority ( same like mother ). and i heard this truth from authority " Srila Prabhupada " he is my spiritual master.
im not talking these all things from my own.
___________
in this world no `1 can be Peace full. this is all along Fact.
cuz we all are suffering in this world 4 Problems which are Disease, Old age, Death, and Birth after Birth.
tell me are you really happy ?? you can,t be happy if you will ignore these 4 main problem. then still you will be Forced by Nature.
___________________
if you really want to be happy then follow these 6 Things which are No illicit s.ex, No g.ambling, No d.rugs ( No tea & coffee ), No meat-eating ( No onion & garlic's )
5th thing is whatever you eat `1st offer it to Supreme Lord Krishna. ( if you know it what is Guru parama-para then offer them food not direct Supreme Lord Krishna )
and 6th " Main Thing " is you have to Chant " hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare ".
_______________________________
If your not able to follow these 4 things no illicit s.ex, no g.ambling, no d.rugs, no meat-eating then don,t worry but chanting of this holy name ( Hare Krishna Maha-Mantra ) is very-very and very important.
Chant " hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare " and be happy.
if you still don,t believe on me then chant any other name for 5 Min's and chant this holy name for 5 Min's and you will see effect. i promise you it works And chanting at least 16 rounds ( each round of 108 beads ) of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra daily.
____________
Here is no Question of Holy Books quotes, Personal Experiences, Faith or Belief. i accept that Sometimes Faith is also Blind. Here is already Practical explanation which already proved that every`1 else in this world is nothing more then Busy Foolish and totally idiot.
_________________________
Source(s):
every `1 is already Blind in this world and if you will follow another Blind then you both will fall in hole. so try to follow that person who have Spiritual Eyes who can Guide you on Actual Right Path. ( my Authority & Guide is my Spiritual Master " Srila Prabhupada " )
_____________
if you want to see Actual Purpose of human life then see this link : ( triple w ( d . o . t ) asitis ( d . o . t ) c . o . m {Bookmark it })
read it complete. ( i promise only readers of this book that they { he/she } will get every single answer which they want to know about why im in this material world, who im, what will happen after this life, what is best thing which will make Human Life Perfect, and what is perfection of Human Life. ) purpose of human life is not to live like animal cuz every`1 at present time doing 4 thing which are sleeping, eating, s.ex & fear. purpose of human life is to become freed from Birth after birth, Old Age, Disease, and Death.
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Because it had crippling depression, it was constantly reminded that it's life was worthless to those it was looked down on by.
A mere piece of meat, not a living creature, worthy of respect, and dignity. It didn't want to live in a constant state of fear and depression, knowing that it's only purpose in life would be death.
So it escaped the farm, and took off to the highway... it saw the lights, and though the creature feared death, it was relieved to be free from the fear that plagued it.
So in short... to get to the other side.
My lighthearted way of describing the purpose of my life:
A thief pointed a knife at me and said "your money or your life"
I smiled and told him I was married, so I have no money or a life.
He dropped the knife and we hugged and cried for a moment.
One day I changed a lightbulb, crossed the road, and walked into a bar.
Then I realized my whole life so far,is a joke.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
From one of my most favorite song (and sketch)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M
If life seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing
You'll see it's all a show
Keep 'em laughin' as you go
Just remember that the last laugh is on you
And.............
Always look on the bright side of life
-- Eric Idle, Always look on the bright side of life
As such that the carving on the tombstone should not be "RIP" but "LOL".
Quote from: good logic on June 18, 2022, 03:58:00 AM
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Because it had crippling depression, it was constantly reminded that it's life was worthless to those it was looked down on by.
A mere piece of meat, not a living creature, worthy of respect, and dignity. It didn't want to live in a constant state of fear and depression, knowing that it's only purpose in life would be death.
So it escaped the farm, and took off to the highway... it saw the lights, and though the creature feared death, it was relieved to be free from the fear that plagued it.
So in short... to get to the other side.
My lighthearted way of describing the purpose of my life:
A thief pointed a knife at me and said "your money or your life"
I smiled and told him I was married, so I have no money or a life.
He dropped the knife and we hugged and cried for a moment.
One day I changed a lightbulb, crossed the road, and walked into a bar.
Then I realized my whole life so far,is a joke.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
what relevance it has to me or my post ? what do you want or want to say ? why did you copy/pasted this all here ?
Quote from: Jafar on June 18, 2022, 10:14:28 PM
From one of my most favorite song (and sketch)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M
If life seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing
You'll see it's all a show
Keep 'em laughin' as you go
Just remember that the last laugh is on you
And.............
Always look on the bright side of life
-- Eric Idle, Always look on the bright side of life
As such that the carving on the tombstone should not be "RIP" but "LOL".
why are you trolling here ? huh? what do you want ?
I'm a big fan of the purpose of life. I thought I will chip in my two cents on a relevant topic
But since you do not agree it is relevant, round my two scents down to nothing.
Ignore what I said.
Apologies to you.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Quote from: good logic on June 19, 2022, 10:04:59 AM
I'm a big fan of the purpose of life. I thought I will chip in my two cents on a relevant topic
But since you do not agree it is relevant, round my two scents down to nothing.
Ignore what I said.
Apologies to you.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
try to understand that you dont make sense with your rubbish. :elektro:
Peace friend.
It was a light hearted reply. Apologies.
You are right ,each one of us needs to reflect on his/her purpose.
These verses from Qoran come to mind about the purpose of life for me.
He said, "How long have you lasted on earth? How many years?"
قٰلَ كَم لَبِثتُم فِى الأَرضِ عَدَدَ سِنينَ
They said, "We lasted a day or part of a day. Ask those who counted."
قالوا لَبِثنا يَومًا أَو بَعضَ يَومٍ فَسـَٔلِ العادّينَ
He said, "In fact, you stayed but a brief interim, if you only knew.
قٰلَ إِن لَبِثتُم إِلّا قَليلًا لَو أَنَّكُم كُنتُم تَعلَمونَ
"Did you think that we created you in vain; that you were not to be returned to us?"
أَفَحَسِبتُم أَنَّما خَلَقنٰكُم عَبَثًا وَأَنَّكُم إِلَينا لا تُرجَعونَ
Most exalted is God, the true Sovereign. There is no other god beside Him; the Most Honorable Lord, possessor of all authority.
فَتَعٰلَى اللَّهُ المَلِكُ الحَقُّ لا إِلٰهَ إِلّا هُوَ رَبُّ العَرشِ الكَريمِ
Anyone who idolizes beside God any other god, and without any kind of proof, his reckoning rests with his Lord. The disbelievers never succeed.
وَمَن يَدعُ مَعَ اللَّهِ إِلٰهًا ءاخَرَ لا بُرهٰنَ لَهُ بِهِ فَإِنَّما حِسابُهُ عِندَ رَبِّهِ إِنَّهُ لا يُفلِحُ الكٰفِرونَ
Say, "My Lord, shower us with forgiveness and mercy. Of all the merciful ones, You are the Most Merciful."
وَقُل رَبِّ اغفِر وَارحَم وَأَنتَ خَيرُ الرّٰحِمينَ
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Quote from: good logic on June 20, 2022, 02:20:55 AM
Peace friend.
It was a light hearted reply. Apologies.
You are right ,each one of us needs to reflect on his/her purpose.
These verses from Qoran come to mind about the purpose of life for me.
He said, "How long have you lasted on earth? How many years?"
قٰلَ كَم لَبِثتُم فِى الأَرضِ عَدَدَ سِنينَ
They said, "We lasted a day or part of a day. Ask those who counted."
قالوا لَبِثنا يَومًا أَو بَعضَ يَومٍ فَسـَٔلِ العادّينَ
He said, "In fact, you stayed but a brief interim, if you only knew.
قٰلَ إِن لَبِثتُم إِلّا قَليلًا لَو أَنَّكُم كُنتُم تَعلَمونَ
"Did you think that we created you in vain; that you were not to be returned to us?"
أَفَحَسِبتُم أَنَّما خَلَقنٰكُم عَبَثًا وَأَنَّكُم إِلَينا لا تُرجَعونَ
Most exalted is God, the true Sovereign. There is no other god beside Him; the Most Honorable Lord, possessor of all authority.
فَتَعٰلَى اللَّهُ المَلِكُ الحَقُّ لا إِلٰهَ إِلّا هُوَ رَبُّ العَرشِ الكَريمِ
Anyone who idolizes beside God any other god, and without any kind of proof, his reckoning rests with his Lord. The disbelievers never succeed.
وَمَن يَدعُ مَعَ اللَّهِ إِلٰهًا ءاخَرَ لا بُرهٰنَ لَهُ بِهِ فَإِنَّما حِسابُهُ عِندَ رَبِّهِ إِنَّهُ لا يُفلِحُ الكٰفِرونَ
Say, "My Lord, shower us with forgiveness and mercy. Of all the merciful ones, You are the Most Merciful."
وَقُل رَبِّ اغفِر وَارحَم وَأَنتَ خَيرُ الرّٰحِمينَ
GOD bless you.
Peace.
chrisrtians has bible quotes, budhists has there own quotes, and other 3500 religions has there own holy quotes.
why any intelligent person should listen to your islamic quotes ? huh? why ?
what explanation you have got ? why ? now its your last chance for you to peacefully explain what is so special in your islam ? or else im going away from here. and you remain satisfied with what you have.
Quote from: ceraaha on June 18, 2022, 03:28:49 AM
Practical Explanation ( For Example ) :- `1st of all can you tell me every single seconds detail from that time when you born ?? ( i need every seconds detail ?? that what- what you have thought and done on every single second )
can you tell me every single detail of your `1 cheapest Minute Or your whole hour, day, week, month, year or your whole life ??
if you are not able to tell me about this life then what proof do you have that you didn't forget your past ? and that you will not forget this present life in the future ?
that is Fact that Supreme Lord Krishna exists but we posses no such intelligence to understand him.
there is also next life. and i already proved you that no scientist, no politician, no so-called intelligent man in this world is able to understand this Truth. cuz they are imagining. and you cannot imagine what is god, who is god, what is after life etc.
_______
for example :Your father existed before your birth. you cannot say that before your birth your father don,t exists.
So you have to ask from mother, "Who is my father?" And if she says, "This gentleman is your father," then it is all right. It is easy.
Otherwise, if you makes research, "Who is my father?" go on searching for life; you'll never find your father.
( now maybe...maybe you will say that i will search my father from D.N.A, or i will prove it by photo's, or many other thing's which i will get from my mother and prove it that who is my Real father.{ So you have to believe the authority. who is that authority ? she is your mother. you cannot claim of any photo's, D.N.A or many other things without authority ( or ur mother ).
if you will show D.N.A, photo's, and many other proofs from other women then your mother. then what is use of those proofs ??} )
same you have to follow real authority. "Whatever You have spoken, I accept it," Then there is no difficulty. And You are accepted by Devala, Narada, Vyasa, and You are speaking Yourself, and later on, all the acaryas have accepted. Then I'll follow.
I'll have to follow great personalities. The same reason mother says, this gentleman is my father. That's all. Finish business. Where is the necessity of making research? All authorities accept Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. You accept it; then your searching after God is finished.
Why should you waste your time?
_______
all that is you need is to hear from authority ( same like mother ). and i heard this truth from authority " Srila Prabhupada " he is my spiritual master.
im not talking these all things from my own.
___________
in this world no `1 can be Peace full. this is all along Fact.
cuz we all are suffering in this world 4 Problems which are Disease, Old age, Death, and Birth after Birth.
tell me are you really happy ?? you can,t be happy if you will ignore these 4 main problem. then still you will be Forced by Nature.
___________________
if you really want to be happy then follow these 6 Things which are No illicit s.ex, No g.ambling, No d.rugs ( No tea & coffee ), No meat-eating ( No onion & garlic's )
5th thing is whatever you eat `1st offer it to Supreme Lord Krishna. ( if you know it what is Guru parama-para then offer them food not direct Supreme Lord Krishna )
and 6th " Main Thing " is you have to Chant " hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare ".
_______________________________
If your not able to follow these 4 things no illicit s.ex, no g.ambling, no d.rugs, no meat-eating then don,t worry but chanting of this holy name ( Hare Krishna Maha-Mantra ) is very-very and very important.
Chant " hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare " and be happy.
if you still don,t believe on me then chant any other name for 5 Min's and chant this holy name for 5 Min's and you will see effect. i promise you it works And chanting at least 16 rounds ( each round of 108 beads ) of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra daily.
____________
Here is no Question of Holy Books quotes, Personal Experiences, Faith or Belief. i accept that Sometimes Faith is also Blind. Here is already Practical explanation which already proved that every`1 else in this world is nothing more then Busy Foolish and totally idiot.
_________________________
Source(s):
every `1 is already Blind in this world and if you will follow another Blind then you both will fall in hole. so try to follow that person who have Spiritual Eyes who can Guide you on Actual Right Path. ( my Authority & Guide is my Spiritual Master " Srila Prabhupada " )
_____________
if you want to see Actual Purpose of human life then see this link : ( triple w ( d . o . t ) asitis ( d . o . t ) c . o . m {Bookmark it })
read it complete. ( i promise only readers of this book that they { he/she } will get every single answer which they want to know about why im in this material world, who im, what will happen after this life, what is best thing which will make Human Life Perfect, and what is perfection of Human Life. ) purpose of human life is not to live like animal cuz every`1 at present time doing 4 thing which are sleeping, eating, s.ex & fear. purpose of human life is to become freed from Birth after birth, Old Age, Disease, and Death.
above is your belief.. fine.. no harm .. you are free to believe what you believe..
not let me ask the same question from you as under..
chrisrtians has bible quotes, Muslims has quran quotes, budhists has there own quotes, and other 3500 religions has there own holy quotes.
why any intelligent person should listen to your Hindu quotes ? huh? why ? what explanation you have got ?
why ? now its your last chance for you to peacefully explain what is so special in your Hindu ? or else im going away from here. and you remain satisfied with what you have.
............
.....
well that sums up... anyway did anyone ask you to take quran... Do things with freedom and not under compulsion... in the end we reap fruits for our own decision and action if we have chosen the truth... Truth is meant for searching
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above is your belief.. fine.. no harm .. you are free to believe what you believe..
not let me ask the same question from you as under..
*skip*.....
well that sums up... anyway did anyone ask you to take quran... Do things with freedom and not under compulsion... in the end we reap fruits for our own decision and action if we have chosen the truth... Truth is meant for searching
how can you ask it ? when i have given this Practical explanation ? which is not based on
holy books quotes, faith, belief or personal opinion ? huh?
here is the proof of Hare Krishnas authority.
_________________________
well in past you muslims forced people to convert into islam and same things are now going on by British people, for else what is so special in english ? that you and i both are doing discussion in it ? huh? its because they destroyed all other schools and teachers ( just as you muslims did in the past ) and made english as medium while banning all other reignal languages.
so nothing special about these godless atheists or say British/Americans as well. and you are right, everyone has to reap what they have sown.
____________________
and so far truth goes,
so truth is my mother, its she who has seen my father before our birth and knows it that who has tilled her.
it is she (
aka recognized agent of Lord Krishna such as Srila Prabhupada )
who has seen him and knows it that his name is Krishna. Krishna is his name and she knows it all his character, his address, his abilities, his nature etc everything.
so unlike other religions i dont have to face these questions and waste my time in searching for truth or father whom none of us has seen before our birth.
__________________
now you either tell me that why one should listen to your quran or islam or else you would end up keeping your quran to yourself. which you are following just because you took birth into ISLAM, and seen your parents from the starting following islam or else you have no other reason to follow it.
but i and rest of the people dont follow same mentality and they took birth in different spahres of grounds from 3500 religions. so they are also doing same.
but here is the Original ground, and you follow real mother or not that is your problem. for one certainly has to reap what one is sowing and choosing. you are certainly right.
Quote from: ceraaha on June 21, 2022, 07:41:34 AM
how can you ask it ? when i have given this Practical explanation ? which is not based on holy books quotes, faith, belief or personal opinion ? huh?[/b]
here is the proof of Hare Krishnas authority.
_________________________
well in past you muslims forced people to convert into islam and same things are now going on by British people, for else what is so special in english ? that you and i both are doing discussion in it ? huh? its because they destroyed all other schools and teachers ( just as you muslims did in the past ) and made english as medium while banning all other reignal languages.
so nothing special about these godless atheists or say British/Americans as well. and you are right, everyone has to reap what they have sown.
____________________
and so far truth goes, so truth is my mother, its she who has seen my father before our birth and knows it that who has tilled her. it is she ( aka recognized agent of Lord Krishna such as Srila Prabhupada ) who has seen him and knows it that his name is Krishna. Krishna is his name and she knows it all his character, his address, his abilities, his nature etc everything.
so unlike other religions i dont have to face these questions and waste my time in searching for truth or father whom none of us has seen before our birth.
__________________
now you either tell me that why one should listen to your quran or islam or else you would end up keeping your quran to yourself. which you are following just because you took birth into ISLAM, and seen your parents from the starting following islam or else you have no other reason to follow it.
but i and rest of the people dont follow same mentality and they took birth in different spahres of grounds from 3500 religions. so they are also doing same.
but here is the Original ground, and you follow real mother or not that is your problem. for one certainly has to reap what one is sowing and choosing. you are certainly right.
Hi...
Well... Needles to explicate since whatever you have manifestly and with intent written is your personal belief that is based on Hindu Religion (mainly taken from Baghavat Gita) ... Coz the shruti or chanting (Hare Krishna hare .... ...)is fundamentally formed in Bagavat Gita but not in Vedic inscriptions (Perhaps) which are claimed to have been from God.. So you have no possible right to say that you didn't pick anything from holy books quotes, faith, belief ... Agree dude? Whatever..
Okay let's turn to your conviction... You state that you have found the truth and no need to waste time in the hunt of truth... Well then you better not... coz I am sure this forum is a platform for research and debate and share knowledge to mainly expose truth and to be free from all ignorance... Truth shedding light for us... Our hunt in search of truth is not over.. Ultimately to know what to choose in life to achieve a common goal which is salvation... fine..
The book of Quran is not anything new from the Creator of this massive Earth and Heavens ... We are as believers in Quran is not born to Muslims families always as you demand... There could be people born into conventional Muslim families as well but those who follow Quran truly are not conventional and they follow only truth and they seek to go in line with truth... This book like Torah elucidates everything from the beginning ... It speaks of Adam and many a previous prophets and they all believed in God ... So God's way is not new (We followers of Quran are not new).. He passed His message like He passed to all others in the past..
Okay I don't want to go in depth, but prefer to pose certain questions in case anyone wants to take you as truthful and follow the truth you have found as you say... for example me... but I am not someone who choose things just coz some says so... like your initial thread .... So you think that's enough for someone to grasp truth.... Well... simple answer is people are intelligent... so come up with something seriously better than that...
My questions are...
Do you believe in God? Who is He? Is He one?
What is the consequences of not believing in God?
Who orders / or rather compel us to believe in God? Is it People or God Himself through His communication to us?
Does God communicate to us, if Yes how and why?
In case you don't believe in God or religious scriptures, then what makes you believe in God?
On contrary to that suppose you don't believe in God, then what difference it makes how a person live and die... what is the purpose of choosing good and bad in life while bad is the wisest choice if one want to be effective and efficient to become victorious in life? Coz with intelligence coupled with evil path makes easy way for victory if there is no God.. Let's hope you believe in God....
If there is no God, then no punishment for our evils in this world and there is no good/reward for our righteous deeds? Does that make sense? Still without God also there could be rewards and punishment in after life?
I hope for now my questions are enough.. let's make questions depend on what you say... fine..
To the point, Your mother told you the truth who your father is/was ..... So truth for you an uttering of another person directly and that statement of your mother is not required to go through any scanning or verification... Coz you believe she is telling you the truth...(so truth for you is just an uttering from a person who you love) the reason is she is your mother biologically... So, is that so simple in life to find out truth without comprehensive applications of contemplation... Your connection with your mother is just belief not beyond but our connection towards the search of truth is not based on mere blind belief... it requires deliberation ... Like your mother said to you and another mother who is born to Christian or Muslim or Hindu or Buddhist family may say to her son that our religion is true and none other and live in it and die in it... Well for you if your mother said so it is true but not for us.,.. Our mother is just another human being for us... Respect is always there as mother.. who is better than mother in human being.. that deserves... but she is a human being not The Creator... to approach to our Creator we need to reflect upon every matters...
You may wonder, if we guys reflect and decide why then chosen only Quran regardless of many other religious books around... We don't discard any books from God... we only take truth and if not truth then even if it is claimed a book from God then we don't accept (here we don't apply like your mother-son scenario).. You got me..
For example it says in Bible Jesus Son of God or even Trinity.. while the book previous to it Torah says God is one and the book after Bible, Quran as well says God is One.. so something is fishy in Bible though they claim the book is holy... Truth is not just coz it is written in an ancient scripture... Nevertheless, Truth should be logical and coherent...
Anyway just answer my questions if you wish further conversation... don't vanish like many other in the past .... Lol..
Hindu religion as we know now is a collection of multiple beliefs, stories, myths and rituals, there are no fixed boundaries and its one of its advantages.
But as usual human are both evil and good everywhere and people takes things to their advantage and seek preferential treatment, trying to enslave people with force, cheat others using symbols for wealth and too much idolizing of the people that has no value or truth.
Excessive-ness is never good, being a vegetarian community in a desert or those living by the sea and poles, can lead to that?, so there are conditions, Thanking and returning the best to those which Support/help us and the nature or the all encapsulating force that is supporting everyone we call them Allah or Siva, is what I think is the best act one can do and that is what our prayers and rituals lead us to.
Quote from: jkhan on June 21, 2022, 11:40:50 PM
Hi...
Well... Needles to explicate since whatever you have manifestly and with intent written is your personal belief that is based on Hindu Religion (mainly taken from Baghavat Gita) ... Coz the shruti or chanting (Hare Krishna hare .... ...)is fundamentally formed in Bagavat Gita but not in Vedic inscriptions (Perhaps) which are claimed to have been from God.. So you have no possible right to say that you didn't pick anything from holy books quotes, faith, belief ... Agree dude? Whatever..
Okay let's turn to your conviction... You state that you have found the truth and no need to waste time in the hunt of truth... Well then you better not... coz I am sure this forum is a platform for research and debate and share knowledge to mainly expose truth and to be free from all ignorance... Truth shedding light for us... Our hunt in search of truth is not over.. Ultimately to know what to choose in life to achieve a common goal which is salvation... fine..
The book of Quran is not anything new from the Creator of this massive Earth and Heavens ... We are as believers in Quran is not born to Muslims families always as you demand... There could be people born into conventional Muslim families as well but those who follow Quran truly are not conventional and they follow only truth and they seek to go in line with truth... This book like Torah elucidates everything from the beginning ... It speaks of Adam and many a previous prophets and they all believed in God ... So God's way is not new (We followers of Quran are not new).. He passed His message like He passed to all others in the past..
Okay I don't want to go in depth, but prefer to pose certain questions in case anyone wants to take you as truthful and follow the truth you have found as you say... for example me... but I am not someone who choose things just coz some says so... like your initial thread .... So you think that's enough for someone to grasp truth.... Well... simple answer is people are intelligent... so come up with something seriously better than that...
My questions are...
Do you believe in God? Who is He? Is He one?
What is the consequences of not believing in God?
Who orders / or rather compel us to believe in God? Is it People or God Himself through His communication to us?
Does God communicate to us, if Yes how and why?
In case you don't believe in God or religious scriptures, then what makes you believe in God?
On contrary to that suppose you don't believe in God, then what difference it makes how a person live and die... what is the purpose of choosing good and bad in life while bad is the wisest choice if one want to be effective and efficient to become victorious in life? Coz with intelligence coupled with evil path makes easy way for victory if there is no God.. Let's hope you believe in God....
If there is no God, then no punishment for our evils in this world and there is no good/reward for our righteous deeds? Does that make sense? Still without God also there could be rewards and punishment in after life?
I hope for now my questions are enough.. let's make questions depend on what you say... fine..
To the point, Your mother told you the truth who your father is/was ..... So truth for you an uttering of another person directly and that statement of your mother is not required to go through any scanning or verification... Coz you believe she is telling you the truth...(so truth for you is just an uttering from a person who you love) the reason is she is your mother biologically... So, is that so simple in life to find out truth without comprehensive applications of contemplation... Your connection with your mother is just belief not beyond but our connection towards the search of truth is not based on mere blind belief... it requires deliberation ... Like your mother said to you and another mother who is born to Christian or Muslim or Hindu or Buddhist family may say to her son that our religion is true and none other and live in it and die in it... Well for you if your mother said so it is true but not for us.,.. Our mother is just another human being for us... Respect is always there as mother.. who is better than mother in human being.. that deserves... but she is a human being not The Creator... to approach to our Creator we need to reflect upon every matters...
You may wonder, if we guys reflect and decide why then chosen only Quran regardless of many other religious books around... We don't discard any books from God... we only take truth and if not truth then even if it is claimed a book from God then we don't accept (here we don't apply like your mother-son scenario).. You got me..
For example it says in Bible Jesus Son of God or even Trinity.. while the book previous to it Torah says God is one and the book after Bible, Quran as well says God is One.. so something is fishy in Bible though they claim the book is holy... Truth is not just coz it is written in an ancient scripture... Nevertheless, Truth should be logical and coherent...
Anyway just answer my questions if you wish further conversation... don't vanish like many other in the past .... Lol..
what is that hindusim ? huh? its word given by you muslims because you could not pronounce sindhu, for we lived near sindhu river and due to your mispronounciation it became hindu. otherwise there is no such word like hindu anywhere in any sanskrit literature.
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beside this all this Practical explanation
is not based on holy books quotes, faith, or belief or personal expereinces etc. now after listening real mother ( aka recognized agent of Lord Krishna such as Srila Prabhupada ) we have to hear the words of father ( or Krishna aka God ) and now Scripture comes aka the words of father. so i do have rights to say it that hear to the words of Father or Krishna which are Bhagawat Gita. i have got the right. (
but you do not have it at the same time ) because what explanation your Islam is offering us ? huh? what explanation is there ? why i lsiten to it ? Christians has bible quotes, budhists has other quotes, and we Bharatiyas ( say hindu in your langauge or indians in British english langauge ) have got our own quotes too. and other 3500 religions has got there own quotes too.
but any ordinary person should listen to any of these ? huh? and what you are speaking truth - truth ? huh? you do not know how to recognize biological father but fun is you are going to attain salvation by pleasing him ? when you dont even know him ? huh? unless you know to whom you are serving, what is his name, what work you are doing where is the question of salvation ? huh? what truth you will recognize ? when you do not recognize even your father ( in analogy God or Krishna ultimately ) ? huh?
well you better not! you spoken and i believed any immature childerns bogus testimony while i have to ignore the testimony of real mother ? ( or recognzied agent of Lord Krishna such as Srila Prabhupada ? ) just see the joke, you cant prove yourself but because you spoken well you better not i have to get carried away by any random whore with big pussy ? ( waha ) just see the fun!
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since you are continously saying truth, truth, truth but did you realized it in islam by now ? than tell me why anyone should follow islam quotes, while overlooking christian bible quotes? budhistic quotes? and rest of other 3500 religons quotes ? why ?
what is so special in you ? huh? beside these all rubbish truth, truth and truth in past you muslims convereted people to islam
by force, BY FORCE you did it. and same force is now in favor of British common wealth that is why you and i both are having discussion in english.
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real point is you follow your islam just because you took birth into islam, and seen your parents and relatives following islam or else you have no other reason to follow it.
and i answered it all that why i believe that there is god or father before our birth, and why his name is Krishna only instead of allah, Christ, budhah or anything else from rest of other 3500 religions. what is best for humans and what is not best for them, what is the perfection of human form of life, what is the aim of it, how it should work, what it should do and avoid etc whatever it may be its all answered in the Gita which are words of father ( or Krishna who is God )
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and what another mother ( or another authority ) ? huh? unless you give me another explanation you cant impose another mother ( or another authority ) on us ( The Hare Krishnas ) what another mother ? huh? what explanation you have got ? to support your islam? christianity ? budhism or other 3500 religions ? huh?
beside this all if we trace it all from historical point of view than Christ came here in india and learned this art from vedic civilization, same goes on with muslims as well. because Father is the same but his few sons divated from vedic civilization otherwise all of islam, christianity, budhism etc all are the part of vedic civilization but seprated from real mother and made there own changes in it.
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i already answered your all questions but this time you also comment after reading my post completely
OR YOU WILL LOSE ME to continue further more.
now dont forget to tell me what explanation other mothers or authorities has got ? without imposing your authority ( or shifting burdon of proof ) on us ( The Hare Krishnas ) for you are now imposing your authority on us without explaining anything at all.
and that wont help you anywhere in real life at all, you will just end up following your islam just because you seen your parents from the starting following it. and have been rasied in it due to taking birth amongst islam.
so in the end unless you tell me what explanation other mother has got ? how can anyone will follow you ? huh? for there are whores also who wants to give there testimonies as real mothers, does it means whores should be listened ? nope! that wont be ( my muslim buddy )
Quote from: amin on June 22, 2022, 01:08:05 AM
Hindu religion as we know now is a collection of multiple beliefs, stories, myths and rituals, there are no fixed boundaries and its one of its advantages.
But as usual human are both evil and good everywhere and people takes things to their advantage and seek preferential treatment, trying to enslave people with force, cheat others using symbols for wealth and too much idolizing of the people that has no value or truth.
Excessive-ness is never good, being a vegetarian community in a desert or those living by the sea and poles, can lead to that?, so there are conditions, Thanking and returning the best to those which Support/help us and the nature or the all encapsulating force that is supporting everyone we call them Allah or Siva, is what I think is the best act one can do and that is what our prayers and rituals lead us to.
what we know about hindusim ? huh? that it came from arab because arabs were not able to pronounce sindhu ? huh? so it become hindu ? what do we know about hindu religion ? huh? that father ( or God aka Krishna ) has lots of agents like sun god ( who is in charge of controlling sun ), air god ( who is in the charge of controlling air ), Lord Shiva ( who is in the charge of third class man who are just like animals ), mother durga ( who is in the charge of this entire material world ), mother saraswati ( who is in the charge of education ), mother laxmi ( who is in charge of money ), etc 36,00,00,000 gods and goddesses ( who are in charge of other departments of government )
and some people have specific interest so they worship specific agents of Lord Krishna ( aka the father of God or say the supreme dictator )
nothing is contradicted to anything, so what mythology, or the rituals ( say processes ) or multiple beliefs you are talking about ? huh? since there is no contradictions at all so what beliefs ? huh? all are agents of Lord Krishna and working under his supremacy. and all good parents, fathers, mothers, husband, leader, politicians, kings, teachers, demigods, spiritual masters, etc anything worshipable is supposed to be Krishnas representatives. and are supposed to lead there followers to him ultimately. that is why people are supposed to worship different people according to the degree of there understandings.
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so what contradictions you talks about ? huh? what authority your ISLAM has got ? huh? what explanation is there which supports your islam ? and why anyone should follow it at present moment ? for in past you converted due to force, ( but dont take that force as your private maid ) for that same force is now under the service of British common wealth maybe that is why you and i ( and all people around the world are imitating english people and becoming like them europeans from inside in spite of being muslims, hindus, this or that whatever )___________________
and faith means extreme faith, but unfortunately it is put into some whores at present moment instead of real mother ( or recognized agent of Lord Krishna such as Srila Prabhupada ) or else what entire world has to do that it will speak english ? huh? just because british are using same force which you muslims used to convert others into islam and same force is now used to convert others into godless atheists.
so same extreme faith is going on but in the whores instead of real mum. ( or recognzied agent of Lord Krishna such as Srila Prabhupada )
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and i have got solid reason to follow vedic culture because i do have got Practical explanation, im not following it just because im an hindu culture ( as you pronounce it ) or took birth here in this great land known as Bharat varsha ( presently known as india )
i have reason to follow it, but what reason you had ? huh? simply forceful conversation to islam, and now same forceful conversation are going on to these godless atheistic americans/british.
This is what usually ends up happening in all men s religions ,yes including Traditional Islam:
Satan found them readily fulfilling his expectations. They followed him, except a few believers.
وَلَقَد صَدَّقَ عَلَيهِم إِبليسُ ظَنَّهُ فَاتَّبَعوهُ إِلّا فَريقًا مِنَ المُؤمِنينَ
The common purpose/ Objective: "Do We Believe in the Hereafter?*
He never had any power over them. But we thus distinguish those who believe in the Hereafter from those who are doubtful about it.* Your Lord is in full control of all things.
وَما كانَ لَهُ عَلَيهِم مِن سُلطٰنٍ إِلّا لِنَعلَمَ مَن يُؤمِنُ بِالـٔاخِرَةِ مِمَّن هُوَ مِنها فى شَكٍّ وَرَبُّكَ عَلىٰ كُلِّ شَىءٍ حَفيظٌ
Say, "Implore the idols you have set up beside God. They do not possess as much as a single atom in the heavens, or the earth. They possess no partnership therein, nor does He permit them to be His assistants."
قُلِ ادعُوا الَّذينَ زَعَمتُم مِن دونِ اللَّهِ لا يَملِكونَ مِثقالَ ذَرَّةٍ فِى السَّمٰوٰتِ وَلا فِى الأَرضِ وَما لَهُم فيهِما مِن شِركٍ وَما لَهُ مِنهُم مِن ظَهيرٍ
Intercession with Him will be in vain, unless it coincides with His will. When their minds are finally settled down, and they ask, "What did your Lord say," they will say, "The truth." He is the Most High, the Most Great.
وَلا تَنفَعُ الشَّفٰعَةُ عِندَهُ إِلّا لِمَن أَذِنَ لَهُ حَتّىٰ إِذا فُزِّعَ عَن قُلوبِهِم قالوا ماذا قالَ رَبُّكُم قالُوا الحَقَّ وَهُوَ العَلِىُّ الكَبيرُ
Say, "Who provides for you, from the heavens and the earth?" Say, "God," and "Either we or you are guided, or have gone far astray."
قُل مَن يَرزُقُكُم مِنَ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالأَرضِ قُلِ اللَّهُ وَإِنّا أَو إِيّاكُم لَعَلىٰ هُدًى أَو فى ضَلٰلٍ مُبينٍ
Say, "You are not responsible for our crimes, nor are we responsible for what you do."
قُل لا تُسـَٔلونَ عَمّا أَجرَمنا وَلا نُسـَٔلُ عَمّا تَعمَلونَ
Say, "Our Lord will gather us all together before Him, then He will judge between us equitably. He is the Judge, the Omniscient."
قُل يَجمَعُ بَينَنا رَبُّنا ثُمَّ يَفتَحُ بَينَنا بِالحَقِّ وَهُوَ الفَتّاحُ العَليمُ
My GOD and your GOD, The only GOD who created us , for the common purpose to meet Him,. will judge between all of us regarding our differences.
GOD bless you
Peace.
Quote from: ceraaha on June 22, 2022, 07:42:43 AM
what is that hindusim ? huh? its word given by you muslims because you could not pronounce sindhu, for we lived near sindhu river and due to your mispronounciation it became hindu. otherwise there is no such word like hindu anywhere in any sanskrit literature.
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beside this all this Practical explanation is not based on holy books quotes, faith, or belief or personal expereinces etc. now after listening real mother ( aka recognized agent of Lord Krishna such as Srila Prabhupada ) we have to hear the words of father ( or Krishna aka God ) and now Scripture comes aka the words of father. so i do have rights to say it that hear to the words of Father or Krishna which are Bhagawat Gita. i have got the right. ( but you do not have it at the same time ) because what explanation your Islam is offering us ? huh? what explanation is there ? why i lsiten to it ? Christians has bible quotes, budhists has other quotes, and we Bharatiyas ( say hindu in your langauge or indians in British english langauge ) have got our own quotes too. and other 3500 religions has got there own quotes too.
but any ordinary person should listen to any of these ? huh? and what you are speaking truth - truth ? huh? you do not know how to recognize biological father but fun is you are going to attain salvation by pleasing him ? when you dont even know him ? huh? unless you know to whom you are serving, what is his name, what work you are doing where is the question of salvation ? huh? what truth you will recognize ? when you do not recognize even your father ( in analogy God or Krishna ultimately ) ? huh?
well you better not! you spoken and i believed any immature childerns bogus testimony while i have to ignore the testimony of real mother ? ( or recognzied agent of Lord Krishna such as Srila Prabhupada ? ) just see the joke, you cant prove yourself but because you spoken well you better not i have to get carried away by any random whore with big pussy ? ( waha ) just see the fun!
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since you are continously saying truth, truth, truth but did you realized it in islam by now ? than tell me why anyone should follow islam quotes, while overlooking christian bible quotes? budhistic quotes? and rest of other 3500 religons quotes ? why ?
what is so special in you ? huh? beside these all rubbish truth, truth and truth in past you muslims convereted people to islam by force, BY FORCE you did it. and same force is now in favor of British common wealth that is why you and i both are having discussion in english.
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real point is you follow your islam just because you took birth into islam, and seen your parents and relatives following islam or else you have no other reason to follow it.
and i answered it all that why i believe that there is god or father before our birth, and why his name is Krishna only instead of allah, Christ, budhah or anything else from rest of other 3500 religions. what is best for humans and what is not best for them, what is the perfection of human form of life, what is the aim of it, how it should work, what it should do and avoid etc whatever it may be its all answered in the Gita which are words of father ( or Krishna who is God )
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and what another mother ( or another authority ) ? huh? unless you give me another explanation you cant impose another mother ( or another authority ) on us ( The Hare Krishnas ) what another mother ? huh? what explanation you have got ? to support your islam? christianity ? budhism or other 3500 religions ? huh?
beside this all if we trace it all from historical point of view than Christ came here in india and learned this art from vedic civilization, same goes on with muslims as well. because Father is the same but his few sons divated from vedic civilization otherwise all of islam, christianity, budhism etc all are the part of vedic civilization but seprated from real mother and made there own changes in it.
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i already answered your all questions but this time you also comment after reading my post completely OR YOU WILL LOSE ME to continue further more.
now dont forget to tell me what explanation other mothers or authorities has got ? without imposing your authority ( or shifting burdon of proof ) on us ( The Hare Krishnas ) for you are now imposing your authority on us without explaining anything at all.
and that wont help you anywhere in real life at all, you will just end up following your islam just because you seen your parents from the starting following it. and have been rasied in it due to taking birth amongst islam.
so in the end unless you tell me what explanation other mother has got ? how can anyone will follow you ? huh? for there are whores also who wants to give there testimonies as real mothers, does it means whores should be listened ? nope! that wont be ( my muslim buddy )
Well dude... You are heading towards no man's land when it comes to explanation...
Fine we were not bake to pronounce Sindhu so we pronounced Hindu as we don't have Letter 'S' ... At least let Indians pronounce it as it deserves and correct the rest of the world. Lol..
I have given set of questions to you to make the conversation meaningful, first answer them if you wish or say not interested or say don't know answers.. Coz I need to find out what is common between us.. Do you get me...
If you are heavily blown apart by certain group of people who by compulsion converting your people into so called Islam religion then I can't help you in that matter coz that's not in my hand... God's path can't be followed by force.. Huh?
In a nutshell we believe that this world was created by Only One Mighty Power who is called God and He is named Allah by Arabic. We are destined to return to Him and based on our actions He will decide our destiny... Is that differ to your truth you have found? Huh?
Accordingly God has sent many a messengers throughout the world in the past as well prophets up until Mohamed to deliver His messages to communicate... So real Islam (surrendering to God) prevail whoever wishes.. So it took place not in Arabia with Mohamed but from the beginning. Do you copy? Huh?
Don't you like this system of God? Or your belief is entirely contrary to it? Huh?
May I know what would happen to me ultimately if I don't follow your true path? Does Krishna Lord punish me? Huh?
Answer my questions rather than raising another concerns..
Let's find out what is common between you and me so we can solve problems easily...
In case you don't like the way we are in seems you are then accepting the God and worshipping Him who created the entire heavens and Earth is erroneous in to our eyes.. We may not give names of Hindustan sorry Sindhustan Gods names but don't we speak about the Creator and surrendering to Him... So you want us not to surrender to the Creator of us or is it coz the name Allah is an issue for you? Huh?
Or you don't like what is written in Quran if not all certain matters? Huh? So that it generates anger within yourself against Muslims so you are saying what you say here.. Do you think Muslims and Quran same? Huh?
Let me tell you a secret.. They are not same.. Quran is from God but Muslims are just people their destiny God will decide..
So dude for you we being pious to Creator (see I make it easy rather than calling Allah I called Creator so you won't confuse) is making irritation... Don't you like we obey the Creator so we obey people and live peaceful life.. The one obeys his Creator truly would obey His command and He will be a person in society.. Don't you want that...
Why you take Muslim community here.. Who are they... Are they guaranteed with something special by God? Have you never heard that God is just..
So what promises your Lord Krishna makes to you if you obey him?
Does he promise with reward and forgiveness.. Or nothing or end of life circle...
What does Lord Krishna promise you for you being good and obedient in this gifted life? Nothing? Huh?
Again.. Let's workout amicably the differences between you and me or true believers.. Okay.. Huh?
Coz you say you have the truth and i/we say we have the truth in Quran so let's see we both are in truth or we have differences. And let's address only the difference.. Isn't that good. ?.Huh?
Note Lord Allah /God /Creator etc etc.. has informed all of us that He has sent messengers to every big community, Has Lord Krishna informed it you or he discarded rest of the world and only he bothered of Hindustan? That's not fair if he was.. On top of that, Allah has preserved His Quran meant for for all...
Quote from: jkhan on June 22, 2022, 10:08:48 PM
Well dude... You are heading towards no man's land when it comes to explanation...
Fine we were not bake to pronounce Sindhu so we pronounced Hindu as we don't have Letter 'S' ... At least let Indians pronounce it as it deserves and correct the rest of the world. Lol..
I have given set of questions to you to make the conversation meaningful, first answer them if you wish or say not interested or say don't know answers.. Coz I need to find out what is common between us.. Do you get me...
If you are heavily blown apart by certain group of people who by compulsion converting your people into so called Islam religion then I can't help you in that matter coz that's not in my hand... God's path can't be followed by force.. Huh?
In a nutshell we believe that this world was created by Only One Mighty Power who is called God and He is named Allah by Arabic. We are destined to return to Him and based on our actions He will decide our destiny... Is that differ to your truth you have found? Huh?
Accordingly God has sent many a messengers throughout the world in the past as well prophets up until Mohamed to deliver His messages to communicate... So real Islam (surrendering to God) prevail whoever wishes.. So it took place not in Arabia with Mohamed but from the beginning. Do you copy? Huh?
Don't you like this system of God? Or your belief is entirely contrary to it? Huh?
May I know what would happen to me ultimately if I don't follow your true path? Does Krishna Lord punish me? Huh?
Answer my questions rather than raising another concerns..
Let's find out what is common between you and me so we can solve problems easily...
In case you don't like the way we are in seems you are then accepting the God and worshipping Him who created the entire heavens and Earth is erroneous in to our eyes.. We may not give names of Hindustan sorry Sindhustan Gods names but don't we speak about the Creator and surrendering to Him... So you want us not to surrender to the Creator of us or is it coz the name Allah is an issue for you? Huh?
Or you don't like what is written in Quran if not all certain matters? Huh? So that it generates anger within yourself against Muslims so you are saying what you say here.. Do you think Muslims and Quran same? Huh?
Let me tell you a secret.. They are not same.. Quran is from God but Muslims are just people their destiny God will decide..
So dude for you we being pious to Creator (see I make it easy rather than calling Allah I called Creator so you won't confuse) is making irritation... Don't you like we obey the Creator so we obey people and live peaceful life.. The one obeys his Creator truly would obey His command and He will be a person in society.. Don't you want that...
Why you take Muslim community here.. Who are they... Are they guaranteed with something special by God? Have you never heard that God is just..
So what promises your Lord Krishna makes to you if you obey him?
Does he promise with reward and forgiveness.. Or nothing or end of life circle...
What does Lord Krishna promise you for you being good and obedient in this gifted life? Nothing? Huh?
Again.. Let's workout amicably the differences between you and me or true believers.. Okay.. Huh?
Coz you say you have the truth and i/we say we have the truth in Quran so let's see we both are in truth or we have differences. And let's address only the difference.. Isn't that good. ?.Huh?
Note Lord Allah /God /Creator etc etc.. has informed all of us that He has sent messengers to every big community, Has Lord Krishna informed it you or he discarded rest of the world and only he bothered of Hindustan? That's not fair if he was.. On top of that, Allah has preserved His Quran meant for for all...
we have nothing common between us for you are just trying to impose your authority ( islamic authoirty ) on us ( The Hare Krishnas ) without explaining anything at all. so this generalizing ( or shifting burdon of proof ) wont lead you anywhere at all.
and in past you muslims did nothing but forceful conversation. that is your history. but you can defy it as well. there is no loss. while still claiming to be religion of peace ( when the desire of doing same things is still burning in your hearts )
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its only you who is in nutshell for christians says Christ is God, budhists says gautam is to followed, and other rest of 3500 religions says other things.
so why i listen to your arabic ? huh? why ? you have no explanation,
and are in nutshell yourself. but its fun that you see nothing in spite of having eyes. (
blinds are blind indeed )now so far we ( Hare Krishnas ) goes so here is Practical explanation, and that is the proof of our authority and reason that why Krishna is gods name, his address, form, characteristics, abilities etc everything are described here. but what reason you have got ?huh?
did mohammad gave any explanation or he was in his own ? huh? why anyone will listen to him now ? what reason you have got ? bring it now.
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and its you who is not reading my comments that is why you are making guess that im just making concerns about you instead of answering it.
and problem is this that what explanation you have got ? huh? why one should listen to ISLAM and at the same time not bible, budhism, or other 3500 religions ? huh? you are nothing special as you think yourself to be, same like rest!
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now just tell me why Gods name is allah only ? instead of Christ, budha and other names from 3500 religions? huh?
why is his name is Allah ? what reason you have to call him allah ? huh? so far for me i have got this Practical explanation, but what explanation you have got ? huh? what reason you have got ? bring that and than talk about ISLAM.
and fun is in past you did nothing but used force with your so called religion of peace. just as right now British common wealth is using it to speak english, have trade according to them, economy, schools, dressing, talking, waht we are going to watch, what we are going to think, what we are going to eat, military, politics, laws and justice etc up to everything is now used by them.
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and its fun if you dont like my joining this forum or islamic group. and want to live into your own private paradise where you do whatever you likes too. just as there are many ahteistic groups, religious forums, and so on which i cant even name here. they are also saying same thinsg like you and thinking that they are only right and everything favors them only absolutely. but that is not the case.
so kindly either give me another explanation, OR you have to be satsified with your religion of Peace. and follow it just because you took birth into it and has seen it from the starting of your life.
you do same things without reasoning, there is no problem at all. but just dont call yourself reasonable person and mislead others. for you are acting like an hypocrite.
Quote from: good logic on June 22, 2022, 12:55:04 PM
This is what usually ends up happening in all men s religions ,yes including Traditional Islam:
**skip**before Him, then He will judge between us equitably. He is the Judge, the Omniscient."
قُل يَجمَعُ بَينَنا رَبُّنا ثُمَّ يَفتَحُ بَينَنا بِالحَقِّ وَهُوَ الفَتّاحُ العَليمُ
My GOD and your GOD, The only GOD who created us , for the common purpose to meet Him,. will judge between all of us regarding our differences.
GOD bless you
Peace.
if you are upto my god and your god than why call him allah ? huh? why call gold as muslim gold ? christian gold ? hindu gold ? than ? huh?
gold is gold similarly God is God. its an fact he is neither muslim, nor hindu, or christian or anything. than why force others to follow allah ? and not listen to the bible at the same time ? huh?
what reason is there ? if such is the case ? what explanation you have got ?
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now so far we ( The Hare Krishnas ) goes so we have reason to call him Krishna ( which means all attractive [ and he not only attracts all human beings but also all forms of life from 8.4 million forms of life ]) because real mother ( aka recognized agent of Lord Krishna such as Srila Prabhupada ) told us his name is Krishna.
but what resaon you have got ? huh? you just impose your authority or shift burdon of proof or generalize us ( The Hare Krishnas ) with yourself without giving us any explanation, but that wont help you anywhere in real world. and you have to remain satisfied here in this Islamic group which you follow just because you took birth into muslim family and saw parents and people following it.
so everyone havent taken birth into it. so what common reason you have got ? what explanation you have got ? bring it and than talk about allah or qurans quotes.
and now if you didnt explained anything than im out.
Quote from: ceraaha on June 23, 2022, 12:04:46 AM
we have nothing common between us for you are just trying to impose your authority ( islamic authoirty ) on us ( The Hare Krishnas ) without explaining anything at all. so this generalizing ( or shifting burdon of proof ) wont lead you anywhere at all.
and in past you muslims did nothing but forceful conversation. that is your history. but you can defy it as well. there is no loss. while still claiming to be religion of peace ( when the desire of doing same things is still burning in your hearts )
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its only you who is in nutshell for christians says Christ is God, budhists says gautam is to followed, and other rest of 3500 religions says other things.
so why i listen to your arabic ? huh? why ? you have no explanation, and are in nutshell yourself. but its fun that you see nothing in spite of having eyes. ( blinds are blind indeed )
now so far we ( Hare Krishnas ) goes so here is Practical explanation, and that is the proof of our authority and reason that why Krishna is gods name, his address, form, characteristics, abilities etc everything are described here. but what reason you have got ?huh?
did mohammad gave any explanation or he was in his own ? huh? why anyone will listen to him now ? what reason you have got ? bring it now.
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and its you who is not reading my comments that is why you are making guess that im just making concerns about you instead of answering it.
and problem is this that what explanation you have got ? huh? why one should listen to ISLAM and at the same time not bible, budhism, or other 3500 religions ? huh? you are nothing special as you think yourself to be, same like rest!
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now just tell me why Gods name is allah only ? instead of Christ, budha and other names from 3500 religions? huh?
why is his name is Allah ? what reason you have to call him allah ? huh? so far for me i have got this Practical explanation, but what explanation you have got ? huh? what reason you have got ? bring that and than talk about ISLAM.
and fun is in past you did nothing but used force with your so called religion of peace. just as right now British common wealth is using it to speak english, have trade according to them, economy, schools, dressing, talking, waht we are going to watch, what we are going to think, what we are going to eat, military, politics, laws and justice etc up to everything is now used by them.
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and its fun if you dont like my joining this forum or islamic group. and want to live into your own private paradise where you do whatever you likes too. just as there are many ahteistic groups, religious forums, and so on which i cant even name here. they are also saying same thinsg like you and thinking that they are only right and everything favors them only absolutely. but that is not the case.
so kindly either give me another explanation, OR you have to be satsified with your religion of Peace. and follow it just because you took birth into it and has seen it from the starting of your life.
you do same things without reasoning, there is no problem at all. but just dont call yourself reasonable person and mislead others. for you are acting like an hypocrite.
Well.... Now you have reached to simmering poiny... I wish you don't get boiled... Whatever..
You have not answered... Fine let me consider you don't have enough knowledge to answer...
Point to note is you said in black and white that You and me and believers have no similarities at all.. Did you say it not .. Anyone who reads above thread would get it.. Based on that...
Let me explain the cream and the essence...
We believe in the God / Creator / the One who gives life the one takes life and we destined to go back to Him and that you don't believe and you don't care but you care.... Is there anyone mighty other the Creator of this Earth and Heavens? So we were worship him serve Him... So is there anything better to do than that?
Does your Krishna Lord wants the same? Lol... I don't want repeat.. Just read my post well
Quote from: ceraaha on June 23, 2022, 12:14:27 AM
if you are upto my god and your god than why call him allah ? huh? why call gold as muslim gold ? christian gold ? hindu gold ? than ? huh?
gold is gold similarly God is God. its an fact he is neither muslim, nor hindu, or christian or anything. than why force others to follow allah ? and not listen to the bible at the same time ? huh?
what reason is there ? if such is the case ? what explanation you have got ?
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now so far we ( The Hare Krishnas ) goes so we have reason to call him Krishna ( which means all attractive [ and he not only attracts all human beings but also all forms of life from 8.4 million forms of life ]) because real mother ( aka recognized agent of Lord Krishna such as Srila Prabhupada ) told us his name is Krishna.
but what resaon you have got ? huh? you just impose your authority or shift burdon of proof or generalize us ( The Hare Krishnas ) with yourself without giving us any explanation, but that wont help you anywhere in real world. and you have to remain satisfied here in this Islamic group which you follow just because you took birth into muslim family and saw parents and people following it.
so everyone havent taken birth into it. so what common reason you have got ? what explanation you have got ? bring it and than talk about allah or qurans quotes.
and now if you didnt explained anything than im out.
Oh... Is this your main problem then... Why we call God is Allah... Oh what a shame you didn't get what is Quran at all...
Prophet Isa had his own language Musa had his language Ibrahim had his language etc etc..
When prophet Sulaiman wrote a letter beginning with in bismillah Allah Rahman AR Raheem.. Do you think you wrote it in Arabic? Is Sulaiman Arab? So why would God say in Arabic Quran as Allah.. Do you think prophet Isa used to call the Lord as Allah or musa used to call Him as Allah... Don't you think they have no other language.. When Maryam said to angel Gibreal fear AR Rahman do you think she said that literally or she said fear + in her language which is equal to Arrahman..
Why not use logic.. You want God to say to Arabs to day Brahma while their language is Arabic and the way to call God is Allah and He is Rabb Lord...
That's why God says He has so many beautiful names... Do you think all those names in Arabic.. Some pathetic muslim world they think all Gods names are in Arabic... But God clearly says He has beautiful names... So try to grasp it...
Brahma Krishna or whatever could be names of God if anyone one read pure Vedic scriptures they would get whether God is one or not...
So if musa never called literally like Arabs as Allah and Rabb ehy can't others call in their own language... Don't confuse by looking at conventional Muslims.. Just use your wits..
"There is only one God, not the second; not at all, not at all, not in the least bit." "Na tasya pratima asti" "There is no likeness of Him
Read carefully above... This is not from Quran or Torah.. This is from Vedas... If none is no likeness for Him then there is no God other than Him...
If according to Vedas Supreme God is Brahma then there is no other God.. All others names could be His other names names like Vishnu Shiva etc not other gods.. Similar... Allah is God... Rahman Raheem etc is his names...
How can if He is says there is noblikness in Him and there be some other gods ..no way.. Totally contrary to the truth ..
So dude we call Allha or Rahman or Raheem or Malik or whatever coz Arabs are taught by their messenger to call Him so... Coz God has many beautiful names...
So are you trying to say call the Lord as Krishna... Then bring written evidence that we should call GID only as Krishna... Evidence from Krishna Himself as message to human being... Didn't God create language so what is the issue in calling Him in those languages... Is Arabic or Sanskrit the languages God prefer most... No
Quote from: Green Anarchism on June 23, 2022, 03:57:25 AM
non sequitur
eat + chanting + nonsense = "Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life" :rotfl:
there is **skip**We have greater purpose of life, ie. disobey stupid people.
we who ? huh? we who ? you bunch of muslims do not represent damn entire population. that is the first thing.
and second thing is indeed we ( The Hare Krishnas ) do not listen to the testimonies of immature childerns and some random whores with very big pussies.
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for we have got the real mother ( aka recognized agent of Lord Krishna such as Srila Prabhupada ) so indeed there is no need of listening to the random morons like you. do you understand that ? ( foolish goof ) of course not! :elektro:
Quote from: jkhan on June 23, 2022, 12:19:07 AM
Well.... Now you have reached to simmering poiny... I wish you don't get boiled... Whatever..
You have not answered... Fine let me consider you don't have enough knowledge to answer...
Point to note is you said in black and white that You and me and believers have no similarities at all.. Did you say it not .. Anyone who reads above thread would get it.. Based on that...
Let me explain the cream and the essence...
We believe in the God / Creator / the One who gives life the one takes life and we destined to go back to Him and that you don't believe and you don't care but you care.... Is there anyone mighty other the Creator of this Earth and Heavens? So we were worship him serve Him... So is there anything better to do than that?
Does your Krishna Lord wants the same? Lol... I don't want repeat.. Just read my post well
its enough now, just tell me why do i listen to your qurans quotes ? since christians has bibles quotes, budhists has gautam budhas quotes, chinese has there own scholars quotes, and other 3500 religions has there own quotes.
so why do i listen to your ISLAM ? why ? who are you ? huh? WHO ARE YOU ? nothing exceptional.
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and i have given this Practical explanation, i have explained that why Gods name is Krishna instead of allah, christ and so on. do you understand that ?
do you under brain to understand that ? do you have brain ? huh? DO YOU HAVE BRAIN TO UNDERSTAND THAT ? nope! you do not have it.
so be happy with your ISLAM now. and do not waste my time with your rubbish.
Quote from: ceraaha on June 23, 2022, 01:00:56 PM
its enough now,
If it is enough for you, then better make your move... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Am i the person who initiated this topic? Am i the one who is interested to know about Aka Krishna before this topic?
Quote from: ceraaha on June 23, 2022, 01:00:56 PM
just tell me why do i listen to your qurans quotes ? since christians has bibles quotes, budhists has gautam budhas quotes, chinese has there own scholars quotes, and other 3500 religions has there own quotes.
so why do i listen to your ISLAM ? why ? who are you ? huh? WHO ARE YOU ? nothing exceptional.
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and i have given this Practical explanation, i have explained that why Gods name is Krishna instead of allah, christ and so on. do you understand that ?
do you under brain to understand that ? do you have brain ? huh? DO YOU HAVE BRAIN TO UNDERSTAND THAT ? nope! you do not have it.
so be happy with your ISLAM now. and do not waste my time with your rubbish.
Well... Did we bring you here in this forum with an invitation and begging you to listen to Quran... You took your first step for whatever the reason and you gave your explanation and you claim this piece of junk as practical explanation and we as forum members started posing questions at you... is that rational? Or you want us to surrender to Krishna while we have no knowledge of Him...
I am very pleased to inform you and everyone, i am immensely pleased and happy not blindly with thorough research and still studying.. there is always room for knowledge... coz we human being are not perfect...
Whether i have brain or not that i would decide since it is my life and your authenticated certificate is not required... Even you give such a one who cares about it ... Huh.. :rotfl: :rotfl:
Yes ... for sure you are wasting your time... coz you are nonsensical in your approach... you wanted something in this forum and you don't find it then you show your arrogance... that's insane.. :elektro:
So.. your purpose of joining this forum accomplished? huh?
We don't compel anyone to follow quran... that's not our aim... we don't need such intention... that's waste of time waste of effort..
This forum is an ideal platform for people to share knowledge and argue with logic... So let people decide their preferred choice... your eccentric approach here make no sense... You say you are right ... How pathetic that approach is.. Do you think we are bewitched to trust you without argument.. Go tell then such attitude to illiterate bunch of people.. :voodoo:
Have a nice journey with Krishna... Your path is for you and our path is for us... Creator would decide who real obedient people were in gifted life.. Until then be who you are... it's your life..
:peace:
Quote from: Green Anarchism on June 23, 2022, 11:33:33 PM
we who ? huh? we who ? you bunch of muslims do not represent damn entire population. that is the first thing.
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You can't fix stupid
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Quote from: jkhan on June 23, 2022, 11:12:02 PM
If it is enough for you, then better make your move... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Am i the person who initiated this topic? Am i the one who is interested to know about Aka Krishna before this topic?
Well... Did we bring you here in this forum with an invitation and begging you to listen to Quran... You took your first step for whatever the reason and you gave your explanation and you claim this piece of junk as practical explanation and we as forum members started posing questions at you... is that rational? Or you want us to surrender to Krishna while we have no knowledge of Him...
I am very pleased to inform you and everyone, i am immensely pleased and happy not blindly with thorough research and still studying.. there is always room for knowledge... coz we human being are not perfect...
Whether i have brain or not that i would decide since it is my life and your authenticated certificate is not required... Even you give such a one who cares about it ... Huh.. :rotfl: :rotfl:
Yes ... for sure you are wasting your time... coz you are nonsensical in your approach... you wanted something in this forum and you don't find it then you show your arrogance... that's insane.. :elektro:
So.. your purpose of joining this forum accomplished? huh?
We don't compel anyone to follow quran... that's not our aim... we don't need such intention... that's waste of time waste of effort..
This forum is an ideal platform for people to share knowledge and argue with logic... So let people decide their preferred choice... your eccentric approach here make no sense... You say you are right ... How pathetic that approach is.. Do you think we are bewitched to trust you without argument.. Go tell then such attitude to illiterate bunch of people.. :voodoo:
Have a nice journey with Krishna... Your path is for you and our path is for us... Creator would decide who real obedient people were in gifted life.. Until then be who you are... it's your life..
:peace:
I don't require anyone's invitation to join an public forum under the label of free mind.
And your biased to Islam and calling yourself free minded people. And why do you follow Islam? Huh? What reason you have got to follow it? Just because you took birth into Islam and seen your parents and people around you following it from the starting. Or else what reason you have got that you proclaim yourself free minded people? Huh? What reasoning you have got to follow Islam?
Yes, I have no knowledge of father or Krishna. I don't know still truth that his name id Krishna instead of Allah, Christ, Buddha, or from rest of 3500 religions.
And blind sheeks eyes but when I already have the eyes or truth than why not I will Consontrate on better things ahead of it? And use those eyes which you are seeking and I already have it?
Anyways, no one can awake those who are pretending to be sleeping. So be happy with your Islam. Follow it because you have got n nice brain. I m done wtih you wise man.
I seen many like you and am certain that you're not first nor last.
Quote from: jkhan on June 24, 2022, 12:14:48 AM
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Go away ( moron) HUT!
Quote from: Green Anarchism on June 23, 2022, 11:33:33 PM
we who ? huh? we who ? you bunch of muslims do not represent damn entire population. that is the first thing.
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You can't fix stupid
Don't finger your pussy and try to seduce me, attention seeking whore.
Quote from: Green Anarchism on June 24, 2022, 02:55:05 AM
You can't fix stupid god... :rotfl:
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good hierarchy of info...
anyway Healthy Conflicts in argument / debate is so essential to extract something that raised the debate in the first place...
thank you for the chart btw
Quote from: Green Anarchism on June 24, 2022, 03:23:23 AM
still waiting how Lord Krishna and "eating habits, sex, chanting and nonsense/insanity etc" can be related to the topic "Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life" :rotfl:
Oh yes, I'm have come here to this forum out of sky because everything is missing here. Just like your missing links. :rotfl:
You won, and i admit my defeat at washing the stool like you. :hail I can't wash thr stool no matter however water I throw. Upon it.
Quote from: jkhan on June 24, 2022, 03:12:56 AM
good hierarchy of info...
anyway Healthy Conflicts in argument / debate is so essential to extract something that raised the debate in the first place...
thank you for the chart btw
Be happy with your ISLAM and follow it until you die. Just because you took birth amongst muslim and seen Islam only from your very starting.
Quote from: Green Anarchism on June 24, 2022, 04:02:54 AM
Still believe in stupid god and "matter"? :rotfl:
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Yes, it's that stupid. lol
Books are useful to the stupid people like you. Just as mirror is useful to blind.
:rotfl: but carry on using these all things and think that they do favor you in absolute terms. Instead of favoring me.
Quote from: ceraaha on June 24, 2022, 03:58:37 AM
Oh yes, I'm have come here to this forum out of sky because everything is missing here. Just like your missing links. :rotfl:
You won, and i admit my defeat at washing the stool like you. :hail I can't wash thr stool no matter however water I throw. Upon it.
So you are the messenger to the forum... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Quote from: jkhan on June 24, 2022, 04:08:38 AM
So you are the messenger to the forum... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Any wise man has truly said never argue with idiots. Not feed the trolls or give the lusty whores ( like you) thr damn attention.
It's over. I'm out now.
Quote from: ceraaha on June 18, 2022, 03:28:49 AM
Practical Explanation ( For Example ) :- `1st of all can you tell me every single seconds detail from that time when you born ?? ( i need every seconds detail ?? that what- what you have thought and done on every single second )
can you tell me every single detail of your `1 cheapest Minute Or your whole hour, day, week, month, year or your whole life ??
if you are not able to tell me about this life then what proof do you have that you didn't forget your past ? and that you will not forget this present life in the future ?
that is Fact that Supreme Lord Krishna exists but we posses no such intelligence to understand him.
there is also next life. and i already proved you that no scientist, no politician, no so-called intelligent man in this world is able to understand this Truth. cuz they are imagining. and you cannot imagine what is god, who is god, what is after life etc.
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for example :Your father existed before your birth. you cannot say that before your birth your father don,t exists.
So you have to ask from mother, "Who is my father?" And if she says, "This gentleman is your father," then it is all right. It is easy.
Otherwise, if you makes research, "Who is my father?" go on searching for life; you'll never find your father.
( now maybe...maybe you will say that i will search my father from D.N.A, or i will prove it by photo's, or many other thing's which i will get from my mother and prove it that who is my Real father.{ So you have to believe the authority. who is that authority ? she is your mother. you cannot claim of any photo's, D.N.A or many other things without authority ( or ur mother ).
if you will show D.N.A, photo's, and many other proofs from other women then your mother. then what is use of those proofs ??} )
same you have to follow real authority. "Whatever You have spoken, I accept it," Then there is no difficulty. And You are accepted by Devala, Narada, Vyasa, and You are speaking Yourself, and later on, all the acaryas have accepted. Then I'll follow.
I'll have to follow great personalities. The same reason mother says, this gentleman is my father. That's all. Finish business. Where is the necessity of making research? All authorities accept Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. You accept it; then your searching after God is finished.
Why should you waste your time?
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all that is you need is to hear from authority ( same like mother ). and i heard this truth from authority " Srila Prabhupada " he is my spiritual master.
im not talking these all things from my own.
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in this world no `1 can be Peace full. this is all along Fact.
cuz we all are suffering in this world 4 Problems which are Disease, Old age, Death, and Birth after Birth.
tell me are you really happy ?? you can,t be happy if you will ignore these 4 main problem. then still you will be Forced by Nature.
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if you really want to be happy then follow these 6 Things which are No illicit s.ex, No g.ambling, No d.rugs ( No tea & coffee ), No meat-eating ( No onion & garlic's )
5th thing is whatever you eat `1st offer it to Supreme Lord Krishna. ( if you know it what is Guru parama-para then offer them food not direct Supreme Lord Krishna )
and 6th " Main Thing " is you have to Chant " hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare ".
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If your not able to follow these 4 things no illicit s.ex, no g.ambling, no d.rugs, no meat-eating then don,t worry but chanting of this holy name ( Hare Krishna Maha-Mantra ) is very-very and very important.
Chant " hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare " and be happy.
if you still don,t believe on me then chant any other name for 5 Min's and chant this holy name for 5 Min's and you will see effect. i promise you it works And chanting at least 16 rounds ( each round of 108 beads ) of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra daily.
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Here is no Question of Holy Books quotes, Personal Experiences, Faith or Belief. i accept that Sometimes Faith is also Blind. Here is already Practical explanation which already proved that every`1 else in this world is nothing more then Busy Foolish and totally idiot.
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Source(s):
every `1 is already Blind in this world and if you will follow another Blind then you both will fall in hole. so try to follow that person who have Spiritual Eyes who can Guide you on Actual Right Path. ( my Authority & Guide is my Spiritual Master " Srila Prabhupada " )
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if you want to see Actual Purpose of human life then see this link : ( triple w ( d . o . t ) asitis ( d . o . t ) c . o . m {Bookmark it })
read it complete. ( i promise only readers of this book that they { he/she } will get every single answer which they want to know about why im in this material world, who im, what will happen after this life, what is best thing which will make Human Life Perfect, and what is perfection of Human Life. ) purpose of human life is not to live like animal cuz every`1 at present time doing 4 thing which are sleeping, eating, s.ex & fear. purpose of human life is to become freed from Birth after birth, Old Age, Disease, and Death.
Salam everyone...
When God has sent message and if people wanted additional then always path deviates..
That's what happened most probably in greater maha barath...(India)..
For sure when one reads Vedas you find so many meaningful verses which gives so much value for ONE GOD...
but when we read factions like Bagawat gita etc you find so many contradictions compared to Vedas...
What went wrong for these Hare Krishna movement ISKCON is same... They discarded the cream and the essence of Vedas and created new movement called Hare Krishna.... They discarded the Only God and took possible Messengers of God as Avatar started worshiping them... Kirishna is one of them... So Krishna became only God for this ISKCON...
This Ceraha is one of those who is trapped in this... Unfortunately it is common when people forge things in place of God's System...
Quote from: jkhan on June 24, 2022, 04:52:20 AM
Salam everyone...
When God has sent message and if people wanted additional then always path deviates..
That's what happened most probably in greater maha barath...(India)..
For sure when one reads Vedas you find so many meaningful verses which gives so much value for ONE GOD...
but when we read factions like Bagawat gita etc you find so many contradictions compared to Vedas...
What went wrong for these Hare Krishna movement ISKCON is same... They discarded the cream and the essence of Vedas and created new movement called Hare Krishna.... They discarded the Only God and took possible Messengers of God as Avatar started worshiping them... Kirishna is one of them... So Krishna became only God for this ISKCON...
This Ceraha is one of those who is trapped in this... Unfortunately it is common when people forge things in place of God's System...
But who takes the testimony of immature children's like you ? For we all know it well that it's our real mother ( aka recognized agent of Lord Krishna ) who knows it that who tilled her and has seen our father before our birth.
So you follow your Islam just like Christians who follow Bible because they took birth amongst Christians.
But case is not same in my case. I have got all answers. But whores like you are envious. So it's not my problem.
Be satisfied with Islam, but don't expect me to follow it. Your pseudo religion of peace with which in past you forced people and nothing else. You traitors sold the power to british.
Maybe that's why we speak English right now. And they are misleading entire world to godlessness.
Now don't be the peaceful whore here, and fuck out of here and rant elsewhere. ( shameless slut)