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Critical Examination of Islam => What is the nature of God? => Topic started by: Green Anarchism on June 20, 2021, 05:32:32 PM

Title: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on June 20, 2021, 05:32:32 PM
Premise 1: It is a promise binding on Us (21:104)

Premise 2: There is no change in the sunnatullah (33:62, 35:43., 40:85)

Premise 3: There is no changing Allah´s creation. That is the true Deen (30:30, 40:4, 41:53)

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Conclusion: Sunnatullah (Natural Law) alone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law) 60:4. 40:4, 41;53 (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611377.0)

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxhc0mq_c48
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Therefore: Allah does not wrong anyone by so much as an atom's weight. (4:40)




Man is the most insane species. He worships an invisible God and destroys a visible Nature. Unaware that this Nature he’s destroying is this God he’s worshiping (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611377.0). ― Hubert Reeves

Musa said, ´[Allah is] the Lord of the East and the West and everything between them, if you would only use your reason!´ (26:28)
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: good logic on June 21, 2021, 02:46:20 AM
Just like motivation works the other way too ,like for example.

-I want to see everyone weak and me strong. I want to be number one in everything I do.

-I want everyone else to stay pessimist, I want to be Evil to survive.

-I want to be  successful at the expense of others. I am optimistic and confident that I will be successful in life regardless of ethics!


What is new with  the philosophy of success and ego?

This philosophy renders the ego thinking it is doing good  and does not see selfishness and pride.

What is new brother with your sect? Just like all selfish sects,dressed up as good!!!
You and your sect is the right  way. Every other way is the wrong way!!!
How can that be a good thing? Is this not selfish?
Keep forcing your way, I keep forcing mine and so on...
I apologise to you and everyone else. My way is no more, I give up .May the Lord  forgive me.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on June 21, 2021, 11:39:57 AM
Just like motivation works the other way too ,like for example.

-I want to see everyone weak and me strong. I want to be number one in everything I do.

-I want everyone else to stay pessimist, I want to be Evil to survive.

-I want to be  successful at the expense of others. I am optimistic and confident that I will be successful in life regardless of ethics!


What is new with  the philosophy of success and ego?

This philosophy renders the ego thinking it is doing good  and does not see selfishness and pride.

What is new brother with your sect? Just like all selfish sects,dressed up as good!!!

So you must look at the Qiblah....which Qiblah? (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611377.msg433117#msg433117)

1. Moral Universalism (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611377.0) (al-Masjid al-Haraam)

OR

2. Moral Relativism (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611415.0) (al-Masjid al-Aqsa)

(https://i.ibb.co/s3Mgcz1/Philosophical.png)


MORAL UNIVERSALISM:
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Main life issue: What defines you? Who am I?
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Remember when Ibrahim said to his FATHER [STATISM], Azar, ´Do you take idols as gods? I see that you and your people are clearly misguided.´ Because of that We showed Ibrahim the dominions of the heavens and the earth so that he might be one of the people of certainty.  When night covered him he saw a STAR [ ✡ SUPREMACISM] and said, ´This is my Lord!´ Then when it set he said, ´I do not love what sets.´ Then when he saw the MOON [ ☪︎ SCHISM] come up he said, ´This is my Lord!´ Then when it set he said, ´If my Lord does not guide me, I will be one of the misguided people.´ Then when he saw the SUN [ ✞ MATERIALISM] come up he said, ´This is my Lord! This is greater!´ Then when it set he said, ´My people, I am free of what you associate with Allah. I have turned my face to Him/Sunnatullah Who brought the heavens and earth into being, a HANIF [SPIRITUALISM]. I am not one of the MUSHRIKUN [3:67  ✡ STAR, ☪︎ MOON, ✞ SUN].´ (6:74-78)

Those who have iman [NOT ✡ STAR, ☪︎ MOON, ✞ SUN, 11:17/5:81/3:28] and do not mix up their iman//103/FACT/MUHKAMAT with any wrongdoing/4:82/OPINION/MUTASYAABIHAT, they are the ones who are safe; it is they who are guided.´ This is the [HANIF/NATURALIST] argument We gave to Ibrahim against his people. We raise in rank anyone We will. Your Lord is All-Wise, All-Knowing (6:82-83)

It is Spiritual Naturalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_naturalism)

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In conclusion, "natural person" means:

1. Not statism
2. Not ✡ STAR/supremacism/Qarun
3. Not ☪︎ MOON/schism/Haman
4. Not ✞ SUN/materialism/Pharaoh
5. Spiritualism/Atomism (align our nature with NATURE)
6. Naturalism (al-Masjid al-Haram, unmixed, logic)
7. Pharaonic Jihad, 11:17, 7:155-158

It is the Deen of Ecospirituality (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecospirituality)

“There are only patterns, patterns on top of patterns, patterns that affect other patterns. Patterns hidden by patterns. Patterns within patterns. If you watch close, history does nothing but repeat itself. What we call chaos is just patterns we haven't recognized. What we call random is just patterns we can't decipher. what we can't understand we call nonsense. What we can't read we call gibberish. There is no free will. There are no variables.” - Chuck Palahniuk

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This is the way that Ibrahim was to deny polytheism (shirk) of all kinds and to avoid idolatry in all its forms.
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A fool would abandon Ibrahim's faith (2:130/2:124/3:33/4:125/3:64-68/22:78)

Say, ´Allah speaks the truth, so follow the religion of Ibrahim, a man of pure natural belief. He was not one of the idolaters.´ (3:95) Say: ´My Lord has guided me to a straight path, a well-founded deen, the religion of Ibrahim, a man of pure natural belief. He was not one of the idolaters.´ Say: ´My salat and my rites, my living and my dying, are for Allah alone, the Lord of all the worlds (6:161-162)


Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on June 21, 2021, 11:49:56 AM
How can that be a good thing? Is this not selfish?
Keep forcing your way, I keep forcing mine and so on...
I apologise to you and everyone else. My way is no more, I give up .May the Lord  forgive me.
GOD bless you.
Peace.


Exactly, how can there be a good thing with MORAL RELATIVISM? How? (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611415.0)

SATANIC PHILOSOPHY (http://www.dpjs.co.uk/ethics.html#OU1505):
Satan says "The reason that there is no access to absolute morals is obvious: there is no (good!) god!"
The Description, Philosophies and Justification of Satanism (http://www.dpjs.co.uk/ethics.html#OU1505)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Vf5m44RJ-Qk/YJFnSMGGy1I/AAAAAAAAC_Q/qnAL5-ttL5wXfxWcRJUkFfMqmbJnog-CgCLcBGAsYHQ/s0/SATANISM1.jpg) (https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lIViLRwnCkg/YJFnSAfwIJI/AAAAAAAAC_M/RhDKonAmngYfmo8lL7sQ2p_3rVJgldONwCLcBGAsYHQ/s0/SATANISM2.jpg) (https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9YIEFCtX9HM/YJFnSPtDCII/AAAAAAAAC_I/U0RwzYR8b8cc9_jEAwgPu83LXlXws0DHQCLcBGAsYHQ/s0/SATANISM3.jpg) (https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nSCgnH7CwkM/YJFnS4eaDUI/AAAAAAAAC_U/Fd7UYVlqy188oNPEDPkx2NqetT3zuC1xwCLcBGAsYHQ/s0/SATANISM4.jpg)

Is this not selfish?

(https://i.ibb.co/NpCsY5m/a5b36310f9b97fe1f89f19826613bf76.png)

They walked arrogantly on the Earth, offending against all right, and saying, "Who could have a power greater than ours (cultural relativism)?" (41:15)

If the truth were to follow their desires (moral/cultural relativism), then the heavens and the Earth and all who are in them would have been corrupted. No, We have come to them with their reminder, but from their reminder they are turning away (23:71)

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Allah makes the sun come from the East. Make it come from the West? (2:258)

Try not to die if what (relativism) you say is true? (3:168) or

Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: good logic on June 21, 2021, 03:32:25 PM
I do not control east and west. I only control right and left

If the sun rises on my left I can easily male it rise on my right. That s right I just turn around 180 degrees!

As for " there is no god"  and "Qiblah,", whichever way I turn  it is Qiblah and I am facing GOD.

So yes, I am looking at every direction . That is my Qiblah.

GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on June 21, 2021, 04:14:52 PM
That ayat refers to NATURE/NATURALISM/ABSOLUTISM

and you're not an Absolutist / Universalist / Naturalist... nothing to do with NATURE at all (ie. Humanism / Realism). (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611377.msg433117#msg433117)

(https://i.ibb.co/3Yh2yGf/value.jpg)

So yes, I am looking at every direction . That is my Qiblah.

Then it is obvious that there is no truth in your philosophy, for you've denied the Sunnatullah (moral universalism/absolutism). (http://www.dpjs.co.uk/ethics.html#OU1505)

(https://i.ibb.co/yBsPpHT/Truth.jpg)

Those who don't know the TRUTH, are living the LIES.
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on June 21, 2021, 05:19:56 PM
Brother Mahdi...
I hope you don't mind you calling Mahdi..

If my memory  is correct, Didn't you say that God is FIRE?
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on June 21, 2021, 05:58:59 PM
Brother Mahdi...
I hope you don't mind you calling Mahdi..

If my memory  is correct, Didn't you say that God is FIRE?

Fire of Moses, ie. the Light or Energy...

 "The Ruh is my Lord´s concern. You have only been given a little knowledge" (17:85)


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Here in this post regarding salvation; as to what really matters for salvation

No iman which a self professes will be of any use to it if it did not have iman before and earn good in its iman (6:158)

(https://i.ibb.co/HPNmqj6/Iman.jpg)

From here, we can make it simple for passing to heaven / final trial

         Definition of Iman: Unfriend (between political parties, 60:8-9) (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611404.msg433139#msg433139) the moral relativist, 5:81

         Definition of Amal: Tawba, Chapter 103

Therefore:

         5:81 + 103 = Heaven


Chapter 103

(https://i.ibb.co/VT2rw16/Pillars-Iman.jpg)

The rest is minimalism; 5:101



We shall show you the easy way ( 87:8 )
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: good logic on June 22, 2021, 03:19:51 AM
Do you mean those who do not know your truth?

Why should you be entitled to your truth and deny them theirs?

If there is only one truth and you have it why have you not evidenced it clearly for everyone to share it with you?
After all "truth" by definition is absolute  , those who claim it without evidence  for others(To leave no doubt!) have only their truth .

So best of luck to each with their truth.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on June 22, 2021, 03:55:24 AM
Do you mean those who do not know your truth?

Nope, but this (11:17 + 4:82) - TRUTH TABLE

                 Law of Nature + Natural Person + Natural Cause/Society = TRUTH (Moral Universalism/Absolutism)

The definition of straight path: Truly you are guiding to a Straight Path: ie. the Path of Allah to Whom everything in the heavens and everything on the earth belongs. (42:52-53)



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Why should you be entitled to your truth and deny them theirs?

Who says they are not entitled to their truth?

That is not Anarchism. "Rule by NONE"

Anarchy is law and freedom without force.

Despotism is law and force without freedom.

Barbarism force without freedom and law.

Republicanism is force with freedom and law.


― Immanuel Kant, Anthropology from a Pragmatic Point of View

(https://i.ibb.co/Qn9bx9t/types-of-government-1-638.jpg)



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If there is only one truth and you have it why have you not evidenced it clearly for everyone to share it with you? After all "truth" by definition is absolute  , those who claim it without evidence  for others(To leave no doubt!) have only their truth .

Already did (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611377.0)....

https://mahdist.blogspot.com/

(https://i.ibb.co/mHgBNmQ/What-is-Law.jpg)

The constitution for "Rule by NONE"

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kYq0lFA_OaE/YKG_6UgfRHI/AAAAAAAADF8/yZF0VU_eVhIB2Lshz8ZRl7dRFAMTAaO8gCLcBGAsYHQ/s0/The%2BDeclaration%2Bof%2BEarth%2BJustice.png)

Do you agree with the terms? No? Why? Reason?
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: good logic on June 22, 2021, 04:46:30 AM
Agree with whom and on who s authority?

Are you the author of the constitution? On whose behalf?
Where is your state and community?

Yes or no from me means nothing if there is only words and no faces/system/community...

Agreeing or disagreeing  with words is nonsense and serves no purpose. Anyone can write a constitution and billions could agree or disagree  so what?

Let me see/know where the reality and manifestation of those words are?

Gather your supporters and go into action then see where that leads . If God is with you you should trust His guidance regardless of who says yes or no to your words!!!

My destiny is in my hands and I follow my Lord . Who knows where my Lord s guidance leads me?

GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on June 22, 2021, 07:26:41 AM
My destiny is in my hands and I follow my Lord . Who knows where my Lord s guidance leads me?

IF you follow the Lord of Moral Relativism

     THEN you'll certainly end in the world of Moral Relativism

It's that simple.  >:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlbDBQrt2tc

https://archive.org/details/the-cult-of-shallow-by-dr.-amandha-vollmer
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: good logic on June 22, 2021, 08:56:44 AM
You say this,quote:
"IF you follow the Lord of Moral Relativism".

Why the constitution then?  Or is that from the Lord of moral  Relativism?
If the  constitution is yours or someone else s, then who gave the authority?

Do you see the big problem?

Then I am afraid someone else is USELESS not GOD.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on June 22, 2021, 09:03:51 AM
The big problem is you don't even read the terms of that Constitution... so why bother to make an argument?

Do you agree with the terms? No? Why? Reason?

(https://i.ibb.co/HqFd3Dk/whatisargument.jpg)
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: good logic on June 22, 2021, 09:42:44 AM
The evidence of any constitution is its application .

When and where is this constitution applied?

Do you see the problem?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on June 22, 2021, 09:49:59 AM
The evidence of any constitution is its application .

When and where is this constitution applied?

Do you see the problem?


What is the problem?

(https://i.ibb.co/Wk3DwG2/Screenshot-9aaa.jpg)

"to dissolve the political bands WHICH HAVE CONNECTED THEM WITH ONE ANOTHER"


The political compass: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mPazYL5Nks
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: good logic on June 22, 2021, 10:58:21 AM
Then you think you have a solution?
You think you have the evidence and the better argument?
 Apply your constitution. What are you waiting for?

We are waiting to see.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on June 22, 2021, 11:04:48 AM
I'm just fulfilling my Covenant with Allah, what is your disagreement? What is your objection?



Whenever people among them asked, "Why do you give advice to people who Allah will destroy or punish with a severe suffering?" The pious ones would answer, "In order to be free from blame before your Lord and so that these [transgressors] might also become mindful of Him (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSnDk3Qmqms)." (7:164)
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: good logic on June 22, 2021, 11:36:15 AM
I am asking you questions and trying to give you advice as well.
Fulfilling the covenant with Allah is deeds mainly. Not just advice and words.
I was curious to when and where your constitution is applied.
Hope you don t mind.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on June 22, 2021, 11:55:05 AM
What makes you think I want to be a moral relativist? (http://www.dpjs.co.uk/ethics.html#OU1505) Why?  >:D


I was curious to when and where your constitution is applied.

It is applied in another way, for now... and we have the natural justice court of law... the one and only court of natural justice.

https://www.itnj.org/itnj/itnj-treaty/
https://www.itnj.org/itnj/itnj-constitution/

same thing, no problem... the believers in natural justice always stay together; 5:55
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on June 22, 2021, 07:00:42 PM
https://www.itnj.org/itnj/itnj-treaty/

And so, recognising that in Truth:

[GENERAL RULE]

i. Law in its purest form requires nothing more or less than that we each do no harm.

            [AUTHORITY]

            ii. Harm in any form is only ever caused by natural persons, regardless of whether
               or not the natural person may claim to be operating under corporate dictate, colour
               of law, or otherwise.

            [SOVEREIGNITY]

           iii. Harm in any form is only ever capable of being suffered by natural persons, regardless
                of whether or not the harm suffered may have been so suffered through a natural
                person's artificial externalities.

            [CAUSE OF ACTION]

           iv. Neither corporate immunity, nor colour of right, can indemnify a natural person for
               harm caused to another.

            [THE CONSTITUTION]

          v. No natural person is bound by the unlawful ruling of a de facto court where they are
               not a consenting party with full knowledge of the manner in which their consent is given.

We the natural men and women of the world, pursuant to the ultimate goal of realising equal rights and dignity for each member of the human family, HEREBY MANDATE the International Tribunal for Natural Justice.


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I swear by your Lord that they will not be considered believers until they let you/3:64 judge their disputes and then they will find nothing in their souls to prevent them from accepting your judgment, thus, submitting themselves to the will of God (4:65)
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on June 22, 2021, 07:47:29 PM
Here, it is anarchism and natural law only comes into existence when there is a threat to society or "to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with one another". It ceases when there is no threat to society. It is the same thing with Sunnatullah, and there will be natural disasters when people cross the tipping point.

If Allah were to punish people for their wrong actions, not a single creature would be left upon the earth, but He defers them till a predetermined time. When their specified time arrives, they cannot delay it for a single hour nor can they bring it forward. (16:61)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xntBeGKXQ0w/YNKkSDgpgaI/AAAAAAAADHc/MbTHTzokFZkqyEnv2WCXjDdLGTpUuS-agCLcBGAsYHQ/s0/The%2BDeclaration%2Bof%2BEarth%2BJustice.png)
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: good logic on June 23, 2021, 02:40:44 AM
Article 2:1 and article 3 contradict.
How can you say that governance  is not determined by majority votes Article 2:1 yet allow the power of governance from the consent of the governed in article 3?

You either have majority votes or only give the power to the chosen few from" those who succeeded in holistic sound evidence..."

Too much vagueness and words that  can fit different contexts.
For example what is "natural law"?  If such a thing existed clearly for humans no one would divide on the issue . Only the submissive can follow nature 
Free will and nature collide on most issues.

Who is currently adopting this constitution?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on June 23, 2021, 02:54:30 AM
Article 2:1 and article 3 contradict.
How can you say that governance  is not determined by majority votes Article 2:1 yet allow the power of governance from the consent of the governed in article 3?

You either have majority votes or only give the power to the chosen few from" those who succeeded in holistic sound evidence..."

That's why we have a Court of Law.


Too much vagueness and words that  can fit different contexts.
For example what is "natural law"?  If such a thing existed clearly for humans no one would divide on the issue . Only the submissive can follow nature 

Do some research on the Natural Law School of Jurisprudence.

(https://i.ibb.co/C9hCcSV/TABLE-Schools-of-Jurisprudence-SCHOOL-SOME-CHARACTERISTICS-Natural-Law-Source-of-law-is-absolute-Nat.jpg)
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: good logic on June 23, 2021, 06:18:59 AM
That's why we have a Court of Law.

But what good has it done? Humans bypass laws,they just break them"legally" i.e when they gain power.

The law of the strong is the best.
Now tell me where the constitution is being applied ?

You are just talking and I am just talking back to you.

The constitution and the court of law you speak of are not being applied.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on June 23, 2021, 07:39:03 AM
You speak only out of your ignorance and arrogance

Yet, seem to have zero knowledge in law, philosophy and jurisprudence...

and how things work in this world.. or how a true government/country come into existence (lawfulness)

That's why we have a Court of Law.

But what good has it done?
Humans bypass laws,they just break them"legally" i.e when they gain power.

The law of the strong is the best.

"TO DISSOLVE the political bands which have connected them with one another (https://ecovillage.org/)"

Now tell me where the constitution is being applied ?

You are just talking and I am just talking back to you.

The constitution and the court of law you speak of are not being applied.

Read...


Here, it is anarchism and natural law only comes into existence when there is a threat to society or "to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with one another (https://ecovillage.org/)". It ceases when there is no threat to society. It is the same thing with Sunnatullah, and there will be natural disasters when people cross the tipping point.

            [THE CONSTITUTION]

          v. No natural person is bound by the unlawful ruling of a de facto court where they are
               not a consenting party with full knowledge of the manner in which their consent is given.


and one which is in fully operational (to be integrated into the system)

https://www.itnj.org/

https://www.itnj.org/itnj-cases/open-cases/

https://www.youtube.com/c/InternationalTribunalforNaturalJustice/videos


Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on June 23, 2021, 09:23:31 AM
Facts


1. There is no country in existence, lawfully. This is the issue of social contract (constitution).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWESql2dXoc


2. Accordingly, there is NO LAW lawfully in operation in any country. It is illegal and breaks the chain of validity (LAWFULNESS) (https://mahdist.blogspot.com/p/mahdist.html).


3. The one and only country LAWFULLY in existence, is my Country/MAHDIST/GREEN ANARCHISM, the Naturalist Constitution (https://mahdist.blogspot.com).  >:D

https://mahdist.blogspot.com
https://greenanarchism.org


Abraham was (equal to) a nation, [BECAUSE] obedient to Allah/SUNNATULLAH [LAWFULNESS] (https://mahdist.blogspot.com/p/mahdist.html),

(https://i.ibb.co/pjq8td0/building-castle-gif.gif)

of pure faith and was not among the idolaters (16:120)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8AdNI0YWWU&t=34s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRCB_50FxW0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRQew67kEXw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMsn1wnJO_I&t=586s

The FINAL JIHAD against THE TRANSHUMANIST (DAJJAL) WORLD ORDER  (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611433.0)

https://archive.org/details/vexille-2007_202106
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j4kD0-hjrs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6aaqQFYhQs
https://archive.org/details/m-rna-vaccines-its-an-genetic-code-to-altered-our-dna
https://archive.org/details/mrna-vaccines-karladine-graves
https://novaccinepassport.blogspot.com/
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxhc0mq_c48


4. The one and only court in existence is The Tribunal for Natural Justice https://www.itnj.org/



Do you understand our reality?

The issue of: LEGAL (TAGHUT) vs. LAWFUL (GOD)?

(https://i.ibb.co/7VGgng8/34a2d619ba1797cdbcab08470f36f3cd.gif)

Allah doesn't bother to look at LEGALITY AT ALL, but LAWFULNESS;
"Read in the name/validity of your Lord/Law 96:1".
(https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611377.0)

I swear by your Lord that they will not be considered believers until they let you/3:64/NATURALIST CONSTITUTION (https://mahdist.blogspot.com/) judge their disputes and then they will find nothing in their souls to prevent them from accepting your judgment, thus, submitting themselves to the will of God (4:65)

So, that's how you hack into the world system and everything in it.  :rotfl:

The example of those who take allies besides God is like the spider how it makes a home; and the weakest home is the home of the spider, if they only knew (29:41)


GREEN ANARCHISM

(https://carigold.com/forum/attachments/anarchy-gif.377826/?watermark_date=1623861344)


https://archive.org/details/the-cult-of-shallow-by-dr.-amandha-vollmer


Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: good logic on June 23, 2021, 11:30:54 AM
So you are a one man nation?

That is what I am trying to tell you:
One man constitution, one man natural law means one man on his own.

Or are you taking all the other countries to your natural court of law?

You have already found them guilty, they do not care.
Nothing will change as your judgement will have no power .

If I join you,there will  be you and me only.
You are right in that we need a lot of motivation. Also I will need to change some of the wording in the constitution.
That is what I am trying to tell you.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on June 23, 2021, 12:27:20 PM
So you are a one man nation?

That is what I am trying to tell you:
One man constitution, one man natural law means one man on his own.

Or are you taking all the other countries to your natural court of law?

You have already found them guilty, they do not care.
Nothing will change as your judgement will have no power .

If I join you,there will  be you and me only.
You are right in that we need a lot of motivation. Also I will need to change some of the wording in the constitution.
That is what I am trying to tell you.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Please don't join US... we're the bad guys, LIKE REAL BAD PEOPLE! CRIMINALS! The religion of HATES (FREEDOM)!

and we hate GOOD GUYS! SERIOUSLY! :rotfl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9VFg44H2z8




and there is no argument/issue at all

but merely your understanding of "LEGALITY" vs. "LAWFULNESS" (LAW, MORALITY, PHILOSOPHY AND LOGIC) is ZERO.

That's it.



THE MEANING OF LIFE, IS TO GIVE LIFE MEANING (name, validity, lawfulness).


From the Covenant of God,
to the chain of evidence/lawfulness in all contractual relationship between mankind and all living things
(Social Contract/Constitution etc vs. RIBA/CRONYISM) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_right_of_kings)

(https://i.ibb.co/nzn3C2M/allcontract.png)

Everything is decided between them justly. They are not wronged. (10:47)

So I have no time to be among the good guys, and not planning to do so!  >:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RVwW7suoes

I don't want to be good anymore, I WANT TO BE RIGHT!

I want SOUL'S INTEGRITY! I want to be ME!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXYiU_JCYtU




----------------------

Shall We treat those who have surrendered (to NATURAL JUSTICE) as if they were Criminals (FORCED JUSTICE)? (http://www.dpjs.co.uk/ethics.html#OU1505) (Q68:35)

Lysander Spooner (1882), Natural Law; or the Science of Justice: A Treatise on Natural Law, Natural Justice, Natural Rights, Natural Liberty, and Natural Society; showing that all Legislation whatsoever is an Absurdity, a Usurpation, and a Crime. (https://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/spooner-natural-law-or-the-science-of-justice-1882)

Constitutional Validity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWESql2dXoc
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: good logic on June 24, 2021, 01:54:06 AM
Can you see that the word "natural" has just been hijacked  to create another sect?

By definition, something natural cannot be invented, changed , taught or enforced. Natural means it is an instinct, everyone will have it.

One can call their words  and systems "natural",but in reality it is their thoughts/ideas/...

Remember brother  that "Natural " has been put there by its and our Creator.

Our knowledge meddles with and corrupts the "Natural" .

Your man made constitution is just one of the many man made stuff out there. You call it your truth and it is your god like  everyone else have theirs.

Nothing new.
I believe the truth will always manifest itself above the falsehoods. So the creator of "natural" will see to it regardless of all of us and our sects.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: nimnimak_11 on June 24, 2021, 03:45:35 AM
IF you follow the Lord of Moral Relativism

     THEN you'll certainly end in the world of Moral Relativism

It's that simple.  >:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlbDBQrt2tc

https://archive.org/details/the-cult-of-shallow-by-dr.-amandha-vollmer

I think it all depends on what one means when one says "moral relativism".

Some people are more favoured by God than others. This is because they are morally better (objectively sincerer to God/Goodness/Truth than others). This is hinted at in the following verse:

2:31 .....if you are sincere

Those who are more favoured by God are closer to Good than they are to evil. But this is a spectrum or range (to my interpretation/understanding). The closer one is to Good, the more favoured he is by God. God is the Good, thus God rightfully favours God the most. It's evil/unfair/self-righteousness for us to favour ourselves over God, but since God is Perfect, it would be unrighteous for God to not favour Himself over all others.

Only those who acknowledge very little are cast into Hell. Thus, you can have a range of morally good people (maybe even overtaking each other in moral goodness every now and then). You could argue that the non-prophets (or even the angels in 2:31) are evil for not being better because they could have been better but they chose not to (should the angels have questioned God at all when He is Perfect and they are not?). But if they are not complaining with what God has given them, and they are not transgressing, then they are consistent with their standards. So they are not evil in my opinion (because they do unto others as they would have done unto them).

Maybe the following will be of interest/benefit to you:

http://philosophyneedsgods.com/2021/05/03/the-image-of-god-the-true-cogito/

Section 2 focuses on objective versus subjective (though I think you'd have to read all that preceded it in the post to understand it).
 
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: good logic on June 24, 2021, 08:23:22 AM
Brother,I will sign out from your thread amicably.
Thanks for your replies.
Hope you do not mind my final advice:

- You , me and everyone were not born winners ,nor losers. We were born choosers.
-We can change our future more by what we do than what we say.
-If GOD is with us,it does not matter about those who are against us.
Best of luck.
GOD bless you.
Peace
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on June 24, 2021, 11:22:30 AM
I think it all depends on what one means when one says "moral relativism".

Anarchism is nothing about god at all, it is about freedom and types of government..

It is POLITICS
It is DEEN (Worldviews)

Moral Relativism = Statism
Moral Universalism = Anarchism

(https://i.ibb.co/Qn9bx9t/types-of-government-1-638.jpg)

This is politics, it is hate between political parties... what's wrong with that? (http://www.naturalistparty.net/index.php)  :police:

(https://i.ibb.co/Wyhzzd3/democrat-donkey-republican-elephant-mascot-election-vote-z-Jj-Ay-PLd-thumb.jpg)

Green anarchism is an anarchist school of thought (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_anarchism)....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_politics

(https://i.ibb.co/ngCvwp7/Screenshot-222.jpg) (http://www.naturalistparty.net/)



Have iman in Allah and His Messenger and in the Light (64:8 )

[Allah] Religious/Spiritual Naturalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_naturalism) = Metaphysical Interpretation Methodology

[Rasul] Ecospiritulity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecospirituality) = Way of Life, al-Masjid al-Haraam

[Light] Green Anarchism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_anarchism) = School of Thought (Earth Jurisprudence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_jurisprudence))

           Social Ecology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_ecology_(Bookchin)) = Naturalist Society

           Green Politics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_politics) = Naturalist Party

           Ecopreneurship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecopreneurship) = Sustainable Economy

           Ecoschool (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-Schools) = Environmental Philosophy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_philosophy)

           Ecotechnology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecotechnology)

           Green Syndicalism = mental and debt-free society

and many more under the heading of GREENISM, huge topics and a complete system of governance.


....SUPPORT ONE ANOTHER (NATURALIST PARTY) (http://www.naturalistparty.net/) with the truth/natural justice, and SUPPORT ONE ANOTHER with perseverance/2:151/sustainable economy (103:3)







Unity with Satan (moral relativism) (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611377.msg432957#msg432957) is the path to success?  beLIE (http://www.dpjs.co.uk/satan.html#Self)vers? :rotfl:

(https://i.ibb.co/KqZTBbC/WORSHIP.jpg)

SATANISM: "...The reason that there is no access to absolute morals is obvious: there is no (good!) god! (http://www.dpjs.co.uk/ethics.html#OU1505)..."

Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on June 24, 2021, 11:41:03 AM

Hope you do not mind my final advice:

- You , me and everyone were not born winners ,nor losers. We were born choosers.
-We can change our future more by what we do than what we say.
-If GOD is with us,it does not matter about those who are against us.


It is irrelevant, and merely conventional wisdom that can do nothing good to our world. Proven without a doubt.

https://youtu.be/T79JfuisG_8?t=114
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlbDBQrt2tc


What we must do?
---------
God only asks me to do ONE THING, "make a clear distinction"

Children of Adam, did I not make a covenant with you not to worship Satan, who is clearly your enemy? (36:60, 5:81, 3:28, 5:25, 9:16/24) Musa said, ´My Lord, I have no control over anyone but myself and my brother, so make a clear distinction between us and this deviant people.´ (5:25, 11:17, 4:82)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSnDk3Qmqms

THE I'TIQAD: DO NOT WORSHIP SATAN (http://www.dpjs.co.uk/ethics.html#OU1505)

(https://i.ibb.co/SQh3sRZ/58-22.jpg)

Shaytan = "they belong to neither of you (NATURAL JUSTICE ALONE) nor to them (FORCED JUSTICE ALONE) (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611377.msg432950#msg432950)"



----------------------------------------------------------------------------
So I only do ONE THING (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611377.msg432954#msg432954), "make a clear distinction/i'tiqad"


The true Pillars of Islam: Who are Muslims? (https://www.greenanarchism.org)

Let us come to an agreement between us and you: that we will worship none but Allah/Sunnatullah, associate none with Him/Sunnatullah, nor take one another as lords instead of Him. If they turn away, say, ´Bear witness that we are Muslims´ (3:64)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-L4yfysZFt-o/YB9smCuTQ2I/AAAAAAAACvY/XB4NfkxqJNAHabv-UQd5VySG5XWcfhHOACLcBGAsYHQ/s0/Syahadat.jpg) (https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rJLmyKpxKW0/YB9vi3nK18I/AAAAAAAACvs/8XnRpbn3LZsULYt4ioC58wGDVEHsR7-jwCLcBGAsYHQ/s0/Philo.jpg)




Climate Tipping Point

There is no city We will not destroy before the Day of Rising (qiyamah al-kubra), or punish with a terrible punishment (qiyamah al-wustha). (17:58)

We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVhHSbdsLdI). (17:15)

Your Lord would never destroy any cities without first sending to the chief of them a Messenger to recite Our/Tawba/21:104-108/7:155-158 Signs to them. (28:59)




He made all gods One God (Quran 38:5) (https://twitter.com/green_anarchism)

Allah made this an enduring word remaining among Ibrahim's descendants that they might unite (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTPqUm1XXXU) (43:28)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0Z8zrYK-bj4/YB19Ovp8ZlI/AAAAAAAACuA/naHbAbRZsBM8DgJV2JAMRkX38tOVkLS1ACLcBGAsYHQ/s0/Imam%2BMahdi.jpg)

Rasul is (10:47) and he who "does not speak from his own inclinations" (53:3, 25:43, 23:71) but (11:17) and (4:82).

Our Law proves that we are messengers to you (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQYV0YfsTlg) (36:16)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wBb8CSDgnkg/YCaK19MPs2I/AAAAAAAACyE/ziK-WueViyoR60zvsfXcwnfo3XQenbMxgCLcBGAsYHQ/s0/Imam-Mahdi.jpg)

Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on June 24, 2021, 12:10:33 PM
IF they had had iman in Allah and the Messenger and what has been sent down to him

       [THEN] they would not have taken them as political/friends.

[ELSE]/BUT many of them are deviators.

(5:81, 3:28, 58:22, 9:16/24)

(https://i.ibb.co/VHVBsjN/Rumi.jpg)

We will advance on the actions they have done and make them scattered specks of dust. (25:23)
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: nimnimak_11 on June 29, 2021, 07:17:48 AM
Anarchism is nothing about god at all, it is about freedom and types of government..

It is POLITICS
It is DEEN (Worldviews)

Moral Relativism = Statism
Moral Universalism = Anarchism

(https://i.ibb.co/Qn9bx9t/types-of-government-1-638.jpg)

I'm not sure I understand your position or what it is you are advocating.

To my understanding, anarchy = absence of government

In an absolute sense, there is no anarchy because God is Almighty. God is Lord. Where there is a Lord that is Almighty, there is no such thing as anarchy.

Of course, in an absolute sense, it is not the rule of your government that you are supposed to obey. It is not your parents that you are supposed to obey. It is God that you are supposed to obey. If any command or advice given to you by your parents or government feels insincere to God, you are supposed to reject it (if you wanted maximum gains in terms of goodness that is).

The last source you ought to betray or be insincere/unfair to, is God. Not just because God is Almighty, but because none are as innocent from evil as God. And because none are as good or generous or loveable as God. I think I understand why you have quoted the verse with regards to the ammanat being presented.

If one wants to be in awe of Existence such that they are happy about it, then one ought to serve God willingly/sincerely.

Also, why is this thread titled "God is USELESS"? Do you not recognise the Omnipotence of God?
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Abdun Nur on July 13, 2021, 11:57:38 AM
Anarchy is not based in any laws, laws are granted rights and imposed duties, even if you do not impose these laws using a monopoly on violence as the State mafias do, it is fundamentally no different in it basis, if you grant rights upon another, you must be superior to author these grants, and simultaniously you are except, as you are the granter, this means all positive laws are slave law, granted by a master upon a slave.

A consitution is an agreement made by slave masters binding the slaves.

A religion that imposed laws, such as Ba'alist Christianity with the ten commandments is making the fictional god a slave master.

Anrachy does not work on granted rights, or imposed duties from an author, it is based in reciprocation, needing no granter, reciprocated interactions are immutable, universal and unailenable for this reason.

No free soul should be dominated by a governing mental force, anarchic interactions are completely free of all hierarchical aspect, no owners, no mafia, no usury can exist anarchically. This is the reason a soul cannot be taken to court, they must re-present the soul as a constructed legal fiction, a straw man, similiarly a free soul cannot con-tract, which is the usurification of agreement, making agreement one sided.

Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 14, 2021, 04:01:46 AM
I'm not sure I understand your position or what it is you are advocating.

To my understanding, anarchy = absence of government

In an absolute sense, there is no anarchy because God is Almighty. God is Lord. Where there is a Lord that is Almighty, there is no such thing as anarchy.

Of course, in an absolute sense, it is not the rule of your government that you are supposed to obey. It is not your parents that you are supposed to obey. It is God that you are supposed to obey. If any command or advice given to you by your parents or government feels insincere to God, you are supposed to reject it (if you wanted maximum gains in terms of goodness that is).

The last source you ought to betray or be insincere/unfair to, is God. Not just because God is Almighty, but because none are as innocent from evil as God. And because none are as good or generous or loveable as God. I think I understand why you have quoted the verse with regards to the ammanat being presented.

If one wants to be in awe of Existence such that they are happy about it, then one ought to serve God willingly/sincerely.

Also, why is this thread titled "God is USELESS"? Do you not recognise the Omnipotence of God?

The idea of "God" is nonsense... and....

I'm advocating Natural Justice (vs. Forced Justice/Taghut)

I'm advocating Cultural Universalism (vs. Cultural Relativism/Taghut)





The absence of government does not mean the absence of law; NATURAL LAW.

It is not possible to exist without Natural Law.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmquM2jum6I

Anarchy is law and freedom without force.

Despotism is law and force without freedom.

Barbarism force without freedom and law.

Republicanism is force with freedom and law.


― Immanuel Kant, Anthropology from a Pragmatic Point of View







Anarchy is not based in any laws

Anarchy is law and freedom without force.

― Immanuel Kant, Anthropology from a Pragmatic Point of View



(https://i.ibb.co/8rr8kWx/Anarchysymbol1.jpg)

The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on Earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man, but only to have the law of nature for his rule.~ Samuel Adams
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 14, 2021, 07:38:04 AM
The idea of "God" is nonsense... and....


So bro..  There is No God like all believers do accept...
Fine.. It's your view...
But why you take quran to explain?  Bit strange and complicated...  Nature doesn't produce verses and book/s... Does it?
From where did this Quran come for which you give elaboration in your replies? Is Quran from human?

If you reply to my question I have lot to argue with you not to convince you but to expose many things to the readers..  Hope in sha allah..
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 14, 2021, 02:23:40 PM
So bro..  There is No God like all believers do accept...
Fine.. It's your view...

But why you take quran to explain?  Bit strange and complicated...  Nature doesn't produce verses and book/s... Does it?
From where did this Quran come for which you give elaboration in your replies? Is Quran from human?

The pattern in Nature is My Quran (Oath)

(https://i.ibb.co/nzn3C2M/allcontract.png)

It is indeed a Glorious Qur´an preserved on a Tablet. (85:21-22, 29:49)

(https://i.ibb.co/129jYm1/Quran1.jpg)


But as for those who
such people have iman in it (the Quran)

Any faction which rejects it is promised the Fire. Be in no doubt about it. It is the Truth from your Lord. But most people have no iman. (11:17)

(https://i.ibb.co/rvf5jvW/Pure.jpg)

It (the Quran) is Clear Signs reposited in the hearts of those who have been given knowledge. Only wrongdoers deny Our Signs. (29:49)

Are you disregarding this narration? (56:81)

(https://i.ibb.co/TvrGDXw/elephant.jpg)

Is Quran from human?

So, "I 69:40/43" (https://i.ibb.co/7pk5h3B/Rasuls.png) am the Quran (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611377.msg432946#msg432946)  >:D

Is Allah not the Wisest of the wise ones? ( 95:8 )


Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Abdun Nur on July 14, 2021, 02:57:28 PM
Natural law, means what?

The inherent anarchic model functions on reciprocal interaction, which could be called inherent power, it needs no written laws, only the simple reciprocal concept, this generates two simple rules, based on the inherent reciprocal duty of care formed inherently.

Nothing is needed beyond the two simple rules, and all wrongful actions can be arbitrated from these two rules generated through reciprocation.
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 14, 2021, 04:53:32 PM
The pattern in Nature is My Quran (Oath)

(https://i.ibb.co/nzn3C2M/allcontract.png)

It is indeed a Glorious Qur´an preserved on a Tablet. (85:21-22, 29:49)

(https://i.ibb.co/129jYm1/Quran1.jpg)


But as for those who
  • have clear evidence from their Lord 75:19, 42:52-53, 40:4 + 41:53
  • followed up by a witness from Him 3:64, 6:74-83, 4:82, 10:47
  • and before it the Book of Musa came as a model and a mercy 7:156-158, 2:124/129/151, 22:78, 90 + 103
such people have iman in it (the Quran)

Any faction which rejects it is promised the Fire. Be in no doubt about it. It is the Truth from your Lord. But most people have no iman. (11:17)

(https://i.ibb.co/rvf5jvW/Pure.jpg)

It (the Quran) is Clear Signs reposited in the hearts of those who have been given knowledge. Only wrongdoers deny Our Signs. (29:49)

Are you disregarding this narration? (56:81)

(https://i.ibb.co/TvrGDXw/elephant.jpg)

So, "I 69:40/43" (https://i.ibb.co/7pk5h3B/Rasuls.png) am the Quran (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611377.msg432946#msg432946)  >:D

Is Allah not the Wisest of the wise ones? ( 95:8 )

Peace..

I know you are not someone who reply directly to questions... But still I enter in this topic at least someone would get help...
Did you really answer my questions and especially "is Quran from human? "

Why take quran for your claims while it is an ancient book and WHO IS THE AUTHOR OF IT?  do you know the author? 
I only entertain your direct replies in your next posts and that would make sense for the topic...
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 14, 2021, 05:13:00 PM
Peace..

I know you are not someone who reply directly to questions... But still I enter in this topic at least someone would get help...
Did you really answer my questions and especially "is Quran from human? "

Why take quran for your claims while it is an ancient book and WHO IS THE AUTHOR OF IT?  do you know the author? 
I only entertain your direct replies in your next posts and that would make sense for the topic...

Why bother if you have a different understanding of the Quran, and refuse to make clear on its actual meaning?

So... it is futile. Doesn't make sense to make an argument from wrong premises, not naturalism

(https://i.ibb.co/Hrhs6Gy/Screenshot-698.jpg)

not engaging in ignorance is wisdom    >:D


Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 14, 2021, 05:43:26 PM
Why bother if you have a different understanding of the Quran, and refuse to make clear on its actual meaning?

So... it is futile. Doesn't make sense to make an argument from wrong premises, not naturalism

(https://i.ibb.co/Hrhs6Gy/Screenshot-698.jpg)

not engaging in ignorance is wisdom    >:D

Why you in the first place bother?  This is a forum and it is free minds.   So I ask questions from those who raised a topic.. If it does not digest to answer directly why raise topics...  So nonsensical to say so.. isn't it?
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 03:20:12 AM
Why you in the first place bother?  This is a forum and it is free minds.   So I ask questions from those who raised a topic.. If it does not digest to answer directly why raise topics...  So nonsensical to say so.. isn't it?

already answered with proof from the Quran and it's logical premises, but you're blind... aren't you? try logic... :rotfl:

The pattern in Nature is My Quran (Oath)

(https://i.ibb.co/Hrhs6Gy/Screenshot-698.jpg)

Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 15, 2021, 08:56:44 AM
already answered with proof from the Quran and it's logical premises, but you're blind... aren't you? try logic... :rotfl:

(https://i.ibb.co/Hrhs6Gy/Screenshot-698.jpg)

Don't try to be over smart... That would definitely look ugly...  Have you lost your senses... Or have you donated your eyes to someone  else?  Do you read what I QUESTUONED you from the beginning... Just answer if want...  Then I will definitely continue argue with you in sha allah... If you keep doing strawman hypocrocy then I have no time to waste... But definitely I will keep interrupting you if God will..  Coz that's a duty of a believer to speak truth...

Again the logic man... Just answer is Quran (book)  from human?  Who is the author of quran?
I will make it easy.. For me Quran is from God and the author is God...
Is God useless then...?
Such a shame that you can't even perceive a simple matter...
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 10:04:59 AM
Don't try to be over smart... That would definitely look ugly...  Have you lost your senses... Or have you donated your eyes to someone  else?  Do you read what I QUESTUONED you from the beginning... Just answer if want...  Then I will definitely continue argue with you in sha allah... If you keep doing strawman hypocrocy then I have no time to waste... But definitely I will keep interrupting you if God will..  Coz that's a duty of a believer to speak truth...

Again the logic man... Just answer is Quran (book)  from human?  Who is the author of quran?
I will make it easy.. For me Quran is from God and the author is God...
Is God useless then...?
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Such a shame that you can't even perceive a simple matter...
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You must be so damn stupid, one of a kind  :rotfl:

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Why don’t they research the (translation/interpretation of the) Quran? Don’t they realize that if it(s translation/interpretation) was from someone other/6:112/26:221-227 than Allah/11:17/42:52-53, they would find many discrepancies in it (4:82) There are some among them who distort the Book with their tongues to make you think this is from the Book—but it is not what the Book says. They say, “It is from Allah”—but it is not from Allah. And ˹so˺ they attribute lies to Allah knowingly. (3:78)

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it is futile. Doesn't make sense to make an argument from wrong premises, not naturalism

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former" Einstein

Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 02:36:27 PM
Natural law, means what?

The inherent anarchic model functions on reciprocal interaction, which could be called inherent power, it needs no written laws, only the simple reciprocal concept, this generates two simple rules, based on the inherent reciprocal duty of care formed inherently.

Nothing is needed beyond the two simple rules, and all wrongful actions can be arbitrated from these two rules generated through reciprocation.

Already explained, so you're the anarchist that belongs to the garbage/toilet wall (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611438.msg433534#msg433534).... and which has nothing to do with the true anarchism.

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Anarchism means "without rulers", NOT "without rules (worst than animals)"  :rotfl:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

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Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Abdun Nur on July 15, 2021, 02:56:38 PM
Peace G.A,

It's not I who's clueless about anarchy, your claims are ignorant, nonsense, religious fantasy and confusion, you are doing a disservice to the concepts of anarchic common unity, the very basis of your ideas are logical fallacies, poorly thought through, many of them in direct opposition to any anarchic structure, anyway, all anyone can do is point out what anarchy is, you only confuse those who may have been open to it.
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 03:03:48 PM
Peace G.A,

It's not I who's clueless about anarchy, your claims are ignorant, nonsense, religious fantasy and confusion, you are doing a disservice to the concepts of anarchic common unity, the very basis of your ideas are logical fallacies, poorly thought through, many of them in direct opposition to any anarchic structure, anyway, all anyone can do is point out what anarchy is, you only confuse those who may have been open to it.

What is your reference and authority?

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Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Abdun Nur on July 15, 2021, 03:56:16 PM
If you believe anarchism can be political you do not grasp anarchism in any way, it is free of politics, it is free of positive laws, it is free of hierarchy, it is free of the five forms of usury, it has no contract, ownership, none of these concepts exist in anarchic common unity.

Any one, and I mean any one who claims otherwise is not anarchic in their thinking.

The anarchic concepts are different, but create a structure of common unity, they are based in reciprocal models, full consensous, no compulsion, no dictates from any other, anarchy is based in allodium, surety, and freedom from parasites.

I've never read anyone that truly grasps anarchism, some grasp parts, you grasp little, it is a choice, you can have the Ba'alist model of hierarchy, usury, and masters, or you can have anarchy of abundance, peace, prosperity and growth for all.

The reason anarchism is difficult for people to grasp, is because they are invested in existing models, and want to keep some things that contradict the anarchic structures,

Anrachism is easily determined through the application of reason alone, once you grasp the simple principles. If you want to develop an anarchic model, you must be sure it has no hierarchy, none of the five forms of usury, no sovereigns, no parasites, adhere to this and determine the inherent, the fundamental nature of utilisation, then reason alone will build a model of anarchic unity.

Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 04:22:24 PM
If you believe anarchism can be political you do not grasp anarchism in any way, it is free of politics, it is free of positive laws, it is free of hierarchy, it is free of the five forms of usury, it has no contract, ownership, none of these concepts exist in anarchic common unity.
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Any one, and I mean any one who claims otherwise is not anarchic in their thinking.

The anarchic concepts are different, but create a structure of common unity, they are based in reciprocal models, full consensous, no compulsion, no dictates from any other, anarchy is based in allodium, surety, and freedom from parasites.

I've never read anyone that truly grasps anarchism, some grasp parts, you grasp little, it is a choice, you can have the Ba'alist model of hierarchy, usury, and masters, or you can have anarchy of abundance, peace, prosperity and growth for all.

The reason anarchism is difficult for people to grasp, is because they are invested in existing models, and want to keep some things that contradict the anarchic structures,

Anrachism is easily determined through the application of reason alone
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law
It is not possible to exist without Natural Law.

https://youtu.be/nmquM2jum6I?t=130

once you grasp the simple principles. If you want to develop an anarchic model,
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_anarchism   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecospirituality
you must be sure it has no hierarchy, none of the five forms of usury, no sovereigns, no parasites, adhere to this and determine the inherent, the fundamental nature of utilisation, then reason alone will build a model of anarchic unity.

You're not an expert (in fact, so much nonsense and delusional), so I don't bother to hear your opinion,

but I want to see your reference/authority for saying anarchism is NOT/CANNOT based on any laws (NATURAL LAW)?

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So what is your authority/reference?
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Abdun Nur on July 15, 2021, 05:39:57 PM
Politics is the policy of a corporation, which is the tri-ba'al structure of the trinity, the father the settlor, the son the trustee and the holy ghost the beneificiary, it is a hierarchical structure, as I said anarchy is not well grasped by most, and the establishment work hard to keep it that way, for example you continually state the logical fallacy of appeal to authority.

The word anarchy is build of two words anti and overarching, this means literally "no heirachy"

You wish to impose laws, anarchy imposes nothing in the form of laws, it functions on a reciprocal .concept, known as inherent power, you are bound by an inherent reciprocal duty of care, it needs no one to give you that, or to grant it, it is.
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 15, 2021, 05:42:36 PM
Green A..

We can't fix stubborn stupidity...  Stupidity without knowledge can be fixed... But not arrogance in ignorance mixed with stupidity... That's in your language...
If I put it in God's language... No one  can guide those God has sent astray... Oh yeah..

I wonder what was that who ordered Iblees to sujud to Adam?  Was it natural LAW?  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 05:43:54 PM
Green A..

We can't fix stubborn stupidity...  Stupidity without knowledge can be fixed... But not arrogance in ignorance mixed with stupidity... That's in your language...
If I put it in God's language... No one  can guide those God has sent astray... Oh yeah..

I wonder what was that who ordered Iblees to sujud to Adam?  Was it natural LAW?  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 05:45:00 PM
Politics is the policy of a corporation, which is the tri-ba'al structure of the trinity, the father the settlor, the son the trustee and the holy ghost the beneificiary, it is a hierarchical structure, as I said anarchy is not well grasped by most, and the establishment work hard to keep it that way, for example you continually state the logical fallacy of appeal to authority.

The word anarchy is build of two words anti and overarching, this means literally "no heirachy"

You wish to impose laws, anarchy imposes nothing in the form of laws, it functions on a reciprocal .concept, known as inherent power, you are bound by an inherent reciprocal duty of care, it needs no one to give you that, or to grant it, it is.

You speak nonsense, you have no authority, you've contradicting all anarchist scholars .. and you're a damn liar.  :rotfl:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Abdun Nur on July 15, 2021, 05:46:57 PM
As I asked originally, what is natural law, present it, tell me, in your best logical fallacy language what you believe you know?

What is this authority you should also tell me what authority you worship in you best logical fallacy language also?

I say this as most of what is written on this thread is logical fallacy based
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 05:49:23 PM
As I asked originally, what is natural law, present it, tell me, in your best logical fallacy language what you believe you know?

What is this authority you should also tell me what authority you worship in you best logical fallacy language also?

I say this as most of what is written on this thread is logical fallacy based

You understand logic? So where is YOUR REFERENCE/AUTHORITY to backup your claim?  :rotfl:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Abdun Nur on July 15, 2021, 05:51:45 PM
I'll ask for the third time, as politely as is possible, what is the natural law you claim is anarchic, and what authority do you worship?
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 05:57:57 PM
I'll ask for the third time, as politely as is possible, what is the natural law you claim is anarchic,
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and what authority do you worship?

another red herring fallacy and argument by repetition...

YOU'RE DESPERATE and HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO BACKUP YOUR CLAIM/NONSENSE! :rotfl:

https://youtu.be/nmquM2jum6I?t=131

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Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 15, 2021, 05:59:59 PM
If there were therein gods beside Allah, then verily both (the heavens and the earth) had been disordered. Glorified be Allah, the Lord of the Throne, from all that they ascribe (unto Him).

Do you even understand this verse o you GA...

Who created heavens and Earth?  :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 06:02:38 PM
If there were therein gods beside Allah, then verily both (the heavens and the earth) had been disordered. Glorified be Allah, the Lord of the Throne, from all that they ascribe (unto Him).

Do you even understand this verse o you GA...

Who created heavens and Earth?  :rotfl: :rotfl:

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You can't fix stupid, and stupid can't fix themselves...   :rotfl:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 15, 2021, 06:08:45 PM
You can't fix stupid, and stupid can't fix themselves...   :rotfl:

The (faithful) slaves of the Beneficent are they who walk upon the earth modestly, and when the foolish ones address them answer: Peace;

I wonder who ordered iblees to sujud?  I repeat... If you have knowledge answer... Otherwise you are one of those stupids as you keep claiming..
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 06:10:01 PM
The (faithful) slaves of the Beneficent are they who walk upon the earth modestly, and when the foolish ones address them answer: Peace;

I wonder who ordered iblees to sujud?  I repeat... If you have knowledge answer... Otherwise you are one of those stupids as you keep claiming..

So how does all those things relate to SALVATION? FAILED! :rotfl:

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my argument, GOD is USELESS FOR SALVATION

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Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 15, 2021, 06:11:28 PM
When God says " I know what you don't know"  is that natural law...  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Abdun Nur on July 15, 2021, 06:11:48 PM
You have not answered the questions, which causes me to ask the same question over and over.

Posting verses from a book of religion is not of any value in answering the questions I have asked, I'll ask for the fourth time, very polititely, what is natural law and what authority do you worship, as you wish an authority to validate what I state, but what I state needs no hierarchical authority, it simple stands upon its own merits, through reason alone.

I could expand on what I state at length and provide links to each element of the anarchic structure, but I'm certain posting any links on this thread would be a waste of effort, you do not ask questions of what I state instead you act childishly, which is your choice, if you cannot answer the questions asked, just say so.
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 15, 2021, 06:14:50 PM
You have not answered the questions, which causes me to ask the same question over and over.

Posting verses from a book of religion is not of any value in answering the questions I have asked, I'll ask for the fourth time, very polititely, what is natural law and what authority do you worship, as you wish an authority to validate what I state, but what I state needs no hierarchical authority, it simple stands upon its own merits, through reason alone.

I could expand on what I state at length and provide links to each element of the anarchic structure, but I'm certain posting any links on this thread would be a waste of effort, you do not ask questions of what I state instead you act childishly, which is your choice, if you cannot answer the questions asked, just say so.

Politeness to a hypocrite...  :rotfl:.... He doesn't know what politeness is so how he will know you are polite... That's my advice.. Just you decide..
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 06:18:23 PM
You have not answered the questions, which causes me to ask the same question over and over.

Posting verses from a book of religion is not of any value in answering the questions I have asked, I'll ask for the fourth time, very polititely, what is natural law and what authority do you worship, as you wish an authority to validate what I state, but what I state needs no hierarchical authority, it simple stands upon its own merits, through reason alone.

I could expand on what I state at length and provide links to each element of the anarchic structure, but I'm certain posting any links on this thread would be a waste of effort, you do not ask questions of what I state instead you act childishly, which is your choice, if you cannot answer the questions asked, just say so.

You know nothing about anarchism AT ALL! and... no reference/authority to backup your nonsense.  :rotfl:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 15, 2021, 06:20:05 PM
Green A....

Topic is well known to everyone...
God is useless... That's one part... So put the God in bin... That's what you want...  :rotfl:

So God is there at least to be useless..  :rotfl:

When the angel and God get down... Who are they? 

Once stupid will always have that quality in life.. Cannot erase.. It is a virus...  :rotfl:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 06:22:14 PM
When God says " I know what you don't know"  is that natural law...  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

That is NATURAL LAW, for "God is the LIGHT 24:35".. repeat, "stupid can't fix themselves" lol
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 06:23:45 PM
Green A....

Topic is well known to everyone...
God is useless... That's one part... So put the God in bin... That's what you want...  :rotfl:

So God is there at least to be useless..  :rotfl:

When the angel and God get down... Who are they? 

Once stupid will always have that quality in life.. Cannot erase.. It is a virus...  :rotfl:

I'm not sure whether you've failed in ENGLISH or COMPREHENSION/low I.Q.. lol

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Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Abdun Nur on July 15, 2021, 06:26:03 PM
Then I can conclude you do not know what natural law actually is?

As I have repeatedly asked you in this thread, and you have made no attempt in any way to provide an answer, maybe you do not understand the question, let me ask in a different way, explain how natural law can be applied and what the laws are?

Let me explain the Anarchic. The anarchic is not based on laws but Inherent power, which is universal, immutable and unalienable, it is not a grant from a superior, it is determined through reciprocation, and so is an incumbent duty, it requires just two simple concepts to be arbitrated, and needs no authority of external fantasy.
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 15, 2021, 06:27:11 PM
What happens to one who breach and destroy natural law?  :elektro: :elektro: :rotfl:

Why one need to follow natural law?  What benefit anf what harm :rotfl:

Is my English good now?  :confused:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 06:29:40 PM
Then I can conclude you do not know what natural law actually is? (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611377.msg432946#msg432946)

(https://i.ibb.co/mHgBNmQ/What-is-Law.jpg)

https://mahdist.blogspot.com/p/mahdist.html

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Still no authority to backup or support your claim about anarchism...
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Abdun Nur on July 15, 2021, 06:31:20 PM
Again you may not grasp how a question works, I am not the one advocating natural law, in fact I'm refuting it, now I'm confused as to why you think asking me questions about natural law, which I'm asking to be explained, answers the question?
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 15, 2021, 06:32:31 PM
If I kill 100 people, can your natural law punish me?  :elektro:

So nonsensical  :rotfl: :rotfl: :voodoo:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 06:35:15 PM
Again you may not grasp how a question works, I am not the one advocating natural law, in fact I'm refuting it, now I'm confused as to why you think asking me questions about natural law, which I'm asking to be explained, answers the question?

You're refuting NATURAL LAW? HOW? :rotfl:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 06:36:31 PM
If I kill 100 people, can your natural law punish me?  :elektro:

So nonsensical  :rotfl: :rotfl: :voodoo:

Yes, it will haunt you forever.. and you're becoming crazy, like you're right now.. lol
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 15, 2021, 06:37:49 PM
Now second part of your topic...
What salvation dude...  :rotfl: :rotfl:

Who give us salvation... Why you need salvation after death.... What makes you feel that we need salvation...  :rotfl:
 Are you afraid that someone would punish you after death :rotfl: :elektro: :&
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Abdun Nur on July 15, 2021, 06:38:32 PM
Look again I am not the one advocating natural law, I'm refuting it, you stated in this thread you believe natural law is anarchic, I am telling you it is not, this maybe hard for you to grasp.

You believe in a "legal system"?

Where a superior (master) dictates granted rights and imposes duties upon the inferior (slave), and holds a monopoly on violence to impose those dictates, is this correct?

The Ba'alist legal system of slavery controls the slaves through punishment, extortion and fear, and this is the system you advocate? Yes?

Would this be your Gods system?

 
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 06:39:50 PM
Now second part of your topic...
What salvation dude...  :rotfl: :rotfl:

Who give us salvation... Why you need salvation after death.... What makes you feel that we need salvation...  :rotfl:
 Are you afraid that someone would punish you after death :rotfl: :elektro: :&

salvation is when you align your nature WITH NATURE, the SUNNATULLAH (NATURAL LAW)...you're IN HARMONY (PEACE) with the SUNNATULLAH (NATURAL LAW)

Shown by their arrogance in the land and evil plotting. But evil plotting envelops only those who do it. Do they expect anything but the pattern of previous peoples? You will not find any changing in the SUNNATULLAH. You will not find any alteration in the SUNNATULLAH . (35:43)

yes, it's that stupid

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Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 15, 2021, 06:40:34 PM
Yes, it will haunt you forever.. and you're becoming crazy, like you're right now.. lol

So you believe in haunting also :rotfl:
Crazy people loves crazy style only.... Didn't it digest to you?
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 15, 2021, 06:43:06 PM
Who ordered iblees to sujud?  :&

No answers?  :rotfl:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 06:43:38 PM
So you believe in haunting also :rotfl:
Crazy people loves crazy style only.... Didn't it digest to you?

you reap what you sow...Didn't it digest to you?  :rotfl:

Shown by their arrogance in the land and evil plotting. But evil plotting envelops only those who do it. Do they expect anything but the pattern of previous peoples? You will not find any changing in the SUNNATULLAH. You will not find any alteration in the SUNNATULLAH . (35:43)
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 06:45:36 PM
Who ordered iblees to sujud?  :&

No answers?  :rotfl:

I don't know... who? prove it... show me THE EVIDENCE!  :rotfl:

Do not follow blindly what you do not know to be true: ears, eyes, and heart, you will be questioned about all these (17:36)
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 15, 2021, 06:47:11 PM
Why I need to align my nature with nature?

What benefit for me?  What if I live in my own way? 
Can't  I live a wonderful life by destroying nature...  :rotfl:

Oh.. You mean to say nature will punish me :&...
You are so sweet to say
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 06:48:05 PM
Why I need to align my nature with nature?

What benefit for me?  What if I live in my own way? 
Can't  I live a wonderful life by destroying nature...  :rotfl:

Oh.. You mean to say nature will punish me :&...
You are so sweet to say

Where is THE EVIDENCE?

Who ordered iblees to sujud?  :&

No answers?  :rotfl:

So who ordered iblees to sujud?

Do not follow blindly what you do not know to be true: ears, eyes, and heart, you will be questioned about all these (17:36)
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Abdun Nur on July 15, 2021, 06:49:32 PM
OK, sadly the level of intelligence of the membership that post on the free-minds website has dropped even lower than it was in previous years, this level of discourse has surpassed rock bottom, maybe it's the vaccines, they do reduce intelligence, or it could be people are just getting generally less intelligent, it's hard to say, it's likely unproductive for me to post anything on this website, I take my hat off to the two on this thread, I've never interacted with this lower level of intelligence on any thread in the past, well done!

Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 15, 2021, 06:50:14 PM
I don't know... who? prove it... show me THE EVIDENCE!  :rotfl:

Do not follow blindly what you do not know to be true: ears, eyes, and heart, you will be questioned about all these (17:36)



OMG... You said you don't.  .that's not expected...
Don't you read Quran... God ordered... It is God who ordered .... If you want I bring the verses...  :handshake:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 06:52:47 PM
OMG... You said you don't.  .that's not expected...
Don't you read Quran... God ordered... It is God who ordered .... If you want I bring the verses...  :handshake:

That is what you called as proof? you're an idiot

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Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 15, 2021, 06:54:32 PM
Read 2:30 - 34 ...
That's evidence for question who said....
Does it look stupid?  Or the verses from an idiot?
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 06:56:43 PM
OK, sadly the level of intelligence of the membership that post on the free-minds website has dropped even lower than it was in previous years, this level of discourse has surpassed rock bottom, maybe it's the vaccines, they do reduce intelligence, or it could be people are just getting generally less intelligent, it's hard to say, it's likely unproductive for me to post anything on this website, I take my hat off to the two on this thread, I've never interacted with this lower level of intelligence on any thread in the past, well done!

Where is your authority/reference for saying anarchism IS NOT/CANNOT base on ANY LAWS/WRITTEN LAWS (IS SOCIAL CONTRACT)? So written text AND CONTRACT is ILLEGAL in ANARCHISM? There shall be no contractual relationship in the anarchist society?

YES?

NO?

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This is my definition of anarchism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

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Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 15, 2021, 06:57:43 PM
Such a tireless person to pass time you are...
But unfortunately I have reached office... Catch you later... Okay... Thank you for your time...  :yay:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 15, 2021, 06:58:00 PM
Read 2:30 - 34 ...
That's evidence for question who said....
Does it look stupid?  Or the verses from an idiot?

THAT IS YOUR PROOF (FACT/MUHKAMAT)? You can't fix stupid, and stupid can't fix themselves...

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What is the difference between "YOUR PROOF" and "GUESSWORK/SPECULATION/ASSUMPTION/OPINION/MUTASYAABIHAT"?
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 18, 2021, 05:45:29 AM
Premise 1: It is a promise binding on Us (21:104)

Premise 2: There is no change in the sunnatullah (33:62, 35:43., 40:85)

Premise 3: There is no changing Allah´s creation. That is the true Deen (30:30, 40:4, 41:53)

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Conclusion: Sunnatullah (Natural Law) alone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law) 60:4. 40:4, 41;53 (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611377.0)

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxhc0mq_c48
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Therefore: Allah does not wrong anyone by so much as an atom's weight. (4:40)




Man is the most insane species. He worships an invisible God and destroys a visible Nature. Unaware that this Nature he’s destroying is this God he’s worshiping (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611377.0). ― Hubert Reeves

Musa said, ´[Allah is] the Lord of the East and the West and everything between them, if you would only use your reason!´ (26:28)

When the verses prompted to remind me I understood that those who say nature is God is in fact associate nature with God.. That's clear association...

O my dear believers... Go through these verses..  6:75-79 in deep sense and carefully look at each word and ponder... 
Is accepting one or all elements of nature as God sheer association?  Isn't what Green A is compelling us to ponder...
If sun is not God and if Moon is not God and if Star is not God then how can nature be God? 

Some people meticulously trying to compel people to associat  with God nature..
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 18, 2021, 06:01:58 AM
Futile... come back again after you've studied LOGIC and comprehend the meaning of this "TOPIC";

               "God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!"

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Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 18, 2021, 06:07:03 AM
Futile... come back again after you've studied LOGIC and comprehend the meaning of this "TOPIC";

               "God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!"  :rotfl:

Thank you for welcoming me :eat:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 18, 2021, 06:10:00 AM
Thank you for welcoming me :eat:

Here is your homework, READING COMPREHENSION :rotfl:

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Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: good logic on July 18, 2021, 11:12:46 AM
Homework is USELESS.
It matters not for salvation.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 18, 2021, 12:10:38 PM
Homework is USELESS.
It matters not for salvation.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Knowledge and comprehension are irrelevant to salvation? People like you are "weird stuff"  :rotfl:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: good logic on July 18, 2021, 12:29:37 PM
"Quote:  "People like you are "weird stuff" "

You know people like me? Are there few or many?

I do not know a single person like me in everything they do. I am only starting to know myself better.
You see I do not even know myself properly.
So I am at a loss how you can possibly know anyone like me!!!!

GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 18, 2021, 12:33:55 PM
"Quote:  "People like you are "weird stuff" "

You know people like me? Are there few or many?

yes, it is very easy... 

You can easily recognize them by what they argue (47:30)

So I know well who belong to hell or heaven, human or satan... so many! :rotfl:

On the Day We will say to Hell, "Are you full?" And it will say, "Are there some more?" (50:30)


I do not know a single person like me in everything they do. I am only starting to know myself better.
You see I do not even know myself properly.
So I am at a loss how you can possibly know anyone like me!!!!

It's just your tribes, not everyone..

They denied the Truth when it came to them, so they are now in a dilemma. (50:5)

They have said that their hearts cannot understand. Rather, Allah has cursed them for their kufr. What little iman they have! (2:88)


See? It is very easy... AND WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY!! lol

And are certain about the Next World. They are the people guided by their Lord. They are the ones who have success. (2:4-5)
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: good logic on July 18, 2021, 03:20:54 PM
If I ask you who created the heaven,earth and everything in them ,you will say there is no GOD!
Are you frightening me with "nature"?
Well GOD is sufficient for me.
O my friend, do your best and I will do my best; you will surely find out" -Find out what?:

Proclaim: "Our GOD, Initiator of the heavens and the earth, Knower of all secrets and declarations, You are the only One who judges among Your servants regarding their disputes."

Oh one more thing:
The sinful works we earn will be shown to us and if you carry one mocking, it will come back to haunt you.
However, you can apologise and repent(So will I):
Proclaim: "O My servants who exceeded the limits, never despair of God's mercy. For God forgives all sins. He is the Forgiver, Most Merciful."
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 18, 2021, 05:48:47 PM
yes, it is very easy... 

You can easily recognize them by what they argue (47:30)

So I know well who belong to hell or heaven, human or satan... so many! :rotfl:

On the Day We will say to Hell, "Are you full?" And it will say, "Are there some more?" (50:30)


It's just your tribes, not everyone..

They denied the Truth when it came to them, so they are now in a dilemma. (50:5)

They have said that their hearts cannot understand. Rather, Allah has cursed them for their kufr. What little iman they have! (2:88)


See? It is very easy... AND WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY!! lol

And are certain about the Next World. They are the people guided by their Lord. They are the ones who have success. (2:4-5)

Oh dear cute buddy... I am haunting you  :rotfl:

OMG... Oops sorry.. By mistake I said OMG.. O my no god...
Nature has hell also.... Will there be any escape from that hell?  Are there guards...  :rotfl: :rotfl:

Heaven... Wow... May be made only for you exclusively..  I will steal your heaven... Can you stop me from doing that...
I will make a big army against the hell and destroy everything and let's see your nature can stop it..  :rotfl: :rotfl:

Comprehend...  :rotfl:

Hell in naturalism...  :rotfl: ...where is the hell now dude... Is it in antarctic?   :rotfl:... Let's root out  :rotfl:...
Oh.. You mean he'll will be after death...  Hmmm..  Nature will create a hell.. Or it automatically get formed...  Just don't go far from hell. Coz you want to see how people suffer in hell... Coz no one accepted you so they are in hell..  :rotfl:

So funny...  I invite if anyone want to pass time.. This is a platform  with GA :rotfl:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 18, 2021, 05:59:12 PM
On the Day We will say to Hell, "Are you full?" And it will say, "Are there some more?" (50:30)


Who will say to hell dude?  I am so curious  to hear the one who say to hell... ? :&

God is useless...  So may be a someone you assigned to speak to hell...

Why in naturalism there is no hell in this world and fill them...  So we can all witness.... Oh.. Your naturilsm is playing hide and seek :rotfl:

Do you know what naturilsm is by definition  :rotfl:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 18, 2021, 06:17:04 PM
the philosophical belief that everything arises from natural properties and causes, and supernatural or spiritual explanations are excluded or discounted

This is what google says of naturalism... Is this what you believe..  :rotfl:

Okay fine.. Your choice... Welcome..

I wonder without super natural power how nature gonna punish human keeping them in hell... All the people in hell more in number and strength and how nature gonna lock and chain them...  I am afraid your heaven is not safe..  :rotfl:
The people of hell will be predators and gonna cause you havoc... Your tranquility  in heaven is far from reality coz those in hell will attack you with mighty power..  :rotfl:

Shall I tell you a secret.. Better keep guards in your heaven...

Naturalism...  :rotfl: ... What a useless dogma..  :rotfl:

Calling naturalism and dreaming for heaven also.. Lol..

Let's hope... At least one person accept and follow naturalism... So what can you guarantee for him.. Can you save him from evils or can you benefit him...

In this world people have taken the power in their hand.. Naturalism is zero... Why naturalism not fight agaisnt it...
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Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 18, 2021, 07:22:57 PM
If I ask you who created the heaven,earth and everything in them ,you will say there is no GOD!
Are you frightening me with "nature"?
Well GOD is sufficient for me.
O my friend, do your best and I will do my best; you will surely find out" -Find out what?:

Proclaim: "Our GOD, Initiator of the heavens and the earth, Knower of all secrets and declarations, You are the only One who judges among Your servants regarding their disputes."

Oh one more thing:
The sinful works we earn will be shown to us and if you carry one mocking, it will come back to haunt you.
However, you can apologise and repent(So will I):
Proclaim: "O My servants who exceeded the limits, never despair of God's mercy. For God forgives all sins. He is the Forgiver, Most Merciful."
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Can you rescue one who is already in the Fire? (39:19)

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So He caused hypocrisy to settle in their hearts until the Day of their meeting with Him (9:77)

But the actions of those who are kafir (OF THE SUNNATULLAH, NATURAL JUSTICE) are like a mirage in the desert. A thirsty man thinks it is water but when he reaches it, he finds it to be nothing at all, but he finds Allah there. He will pay him his account in full. Allah is swift at reckoning. Or they are like the darkness of a fathomless sea which is covered by waves above which are waves above which are clouds, layers of darkness, one upon the other. If he puts out his hand, he can scarcely see it. Those Allah gives no light to, they have no light. (24:39-40)




so.. not bother at all, for shaytans are always deluded ... they are in a "DILEMMA"  :rotfl:

                  Those who have iman (FACT/MUHKAMAT) and do right (NATURAL/ECOLOGICAL JUSTICE) actions,
                  how few they are! (38:24, 69:41, 7:3, 7:10, 23:78, 32:9, 67:23)




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The universe shouldn't exist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrXGfK5I_rU)

I do not require any provision from them, nor do I require them to feed Me. (51:57)


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Say, "This is my way/Islam. It/Islam is with proofs and evidence! I, as well as those who follow me, call you towards Allah/SUNNATULLAH. He is the most High/ PROVABLE/ MUHKAMAT! I would never commit the sin of SHIRK ("without proofs and evidence," ie. guesswork/ assumption/ speculation/ opinion/ mutasyaabihat)!" (12:108)

If you obeyed the majority of those on earth, they would lead you away from Allah’s Way. They follow nothing but assumptions and do nothing but lie. (6:116) They are only following their guess, and they only tell lies [Shall I tell you upon whom the shaytans descend? They descend on every evil liar. They give them a hearing and most of them are liars 26:221-223]. (10:66)

Guesswork is no substitute at all for the TRUTH/IMAN (53:28) The Arabs say, ´We have iman.´ Say: ´You do not have iman´ (49:14)

Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 18, 2021, 07:59:53 PM
Shall I tell you a secret.. Better keep guards in your heaven...

Naturalism...  :rotfl: ... What a useless dogma..  :rotfl:

naturalism (natural science, formal science, social science) is a dogma?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_naturalism

can't fix stupid, and stupid can't fix themselves...  lol




and another good example of the wahabist/zionist in disguise as a muslim/quranist ....

PLAYLIST (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f617zsFp0Jk&list=PLJQaK4PEAsVwi3KY6Z-IR9QYgequdGC-x)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skb9Wii57nE&t=298s

beware, these are the true enemy of humanity  >:D
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 18, 2021, 08:04:54 PM
naturalism (natural science, formal science, social science) is a dogma?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_naturalism

can't fix stupid, and stupid can't fix themselves...  lol




and another good example of the wahabist/zionist in disguise as a muslim/quranist ....

PLAYLIST (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f617zsFp0Jk&list=PLJQaK4PEAsVwi3KY6Z-IR9QYgequdGC-x)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skb9Wii57nE&t=298s

beware, these are the true enemy of humanity  >:D

Oh... You are there..

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Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 18, 2021, 08:09:34 PM
Oh... You are there..

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stupids are those who believe in the


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let just face it, you're a bigot...

there is no way my belief in naturalism harms you in any way...

make no sense at all, other than your true nature is WAHABISM (zionist)  >:D

PLAYLIST (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f617zsFp0Jk&list=PLJQaK4PEAsVwi3KY6Z-IR9QYgequdGC-x)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skb9Wii57nE&t=298s
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 18, 2021, 08:12:51 PM
stupids are those who believe in the

  • natural science?
  • formal science?
  • social science?

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let just face it, you're a bigot...

there is no way my belief in naturalism harms you in any way...

make no sense at all, other than your true nature is WAHABISM (zionist)  >:D

PLAYLIST (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f617zsFp0Jk&list=PLJQaK4PEAsVwi3KY6Z-IR9QYgequdGC-x)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skb9Wii57nE&t=298s

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Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 18, 2021, 08:17:18 PM
Why would anyone argue with a bigot/wahabist? they cant even read! yes... it's that stupid.. :rotfl:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 18, 2021, 08:17:34 PM
05:03 "Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah , and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience. This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Can you explain above verse with naturalism.. Lol

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Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 18, 2021, 08:20:25 PM
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They can't even read!  :brickwall:

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Yes, it's that stupid .... the wahabist/bigot :rotfl:

Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 18, 2021, 08:23:40 PM
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They can't even read!  :brickwall:

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Yes, it's that stupid  :rotfl:

Is that the answer for verse 5:03  :rotfl:
You don't even have a clue why I asked you explain the verse :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 18, 2021, 08:29:02 PM
read the TOPIC  :offtopic:

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yes, it's that stupid ... the wahabist/zionist :rotfl:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 18, 2021, 08:33:29 PM
read the TOPIC  :offtopic:

yes, it's that stupid  :rotfl:

Oh... Poor guy..

Let me tell you what the topic is

Creator (God) is nonesensical but the philosophical belief that everything arises from natural properties and causes, and supernatural or spiritual explanations are excluded or discounted for imaginary salvation. ...

Isnt it bro...
...
So explain the God in verse 5:03... I know you can explain well. 
  :rotfl:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 18, 2021, 08:34:39 PM
Read the TOPIC, LOGIC FAILED!  :offtopic:

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Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 18, 2021, 08:36:36 PM
Read the TOPIC, LOGIC FAILED!  :offtopic:

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I will catch you later.. I am human..
Thank you for conversation...  :rotfl:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 18, 2021, 08:37:11 PM
no need, I hate wahabist (bigot) and stop all further communication with them.. they're stupid and time waster :rotfl:

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Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 18, 2021, 08:50:07 PM
no need, I hate wahabist (bigot) and stop all further communication with them.. they're stupid and time waster :rotfl:

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No need sure?  Sure...  :rotfl:

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Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 18, 2021, 09:56:53 PM
Life is too short to argue with ILLOGICAL people.

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Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 18, 2021, 10:19:34 PM
Life is too short to argue with ILLOGICAL people.

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Somehow you did argue...  :rotfl: :rotfl:

Everyone here on this forum for you is stupid... So why don't you escape...  :rotfl:


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Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 18, 2021, 10:32:22 PM
Not everyone, but you are clearly the worst on this planet...

strawman/reading comprehension failure! 8 PAGES (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611438.msg433553#msg433553), FAILED!  :rotfl:


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ie.

What matters FOR SALVATION?
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 18, 2021, 11:02:37 PM
IF Sunnatullah

     THEN One God (vs. Wahabist/Zionist/Takfirist/Quranist/Bigot)

He made all gods ONE GOD (38:5)

We have iman in what has been sent down to us and what was sent down to you. Our God and your God are one and we submit to Him. (29:46)

So call and go straight as you have been ordered to. Do not follow their whims and desires but say, ´I have iman in a Book sent down by Allah/SUNNATULLAH and I am ordered to be just between you. Allah/SUNNATULLAH is our Lord (LAW) and your Lord (LAW). We have our actions/RELIGION and you have your actions/RELIGION. There is no debate between us and you. Allah/SUNNATULLAH will gather us all together. He is our final destination (LAW OF CAUSE & EFFECT, LAW OF NATURE).´ (42:15)


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Say: ´People of the Book (Jews, Christians, Muslims etc)! you have nothing to stand on until you implement the Torah and the Gospel and what has been sent down to you from your Lord.´ What has been sent down to you from your Lord increases many of them in insolence and kufr. So do not waste your grief on the people of the kafirun. (5:68)

And We have sent down the Book to you with truth, confirming and conserving the previous Books. So judge between them by what Allah/SUNNATULLAH has sent down and do not follow their whims and desires deviating from the Truth that has come to you. We have appointed a law and a practice for every one of you. Had Allah/SUNNATULLAH willed, He would have made you a single community, but He wanted to test you regarding what has come to you. So compete with each other in doing good/HUMANISM-HABLUN MINANNAS/NATURALISM-HABLUN MINALLAH. Every one of you will return to Allah/SUNNATULLAH (FOR HEAVEN, AND WITH SO MANY DIFFERENT RELIGIONS) and He will inform you regarding the things about which you differed. (5:48)

Permission to fight is given to those who are fought against because they have been wronged — truly Allah/SUNNATULLAH has the power to come to their support — those who were expelled from their homes without any right, merely for saying, ´Our Lord is Allah/SUNNATULLAH´. If Allah/SUNNATULLAH had not driven some people back by means of others, monasteries, churches, synagogues and mosques, where Allah/SUNNATULLAH´s name is mentioned much, would have been pulled down and destroyed. Allah/SUNNATULLAH will certainly help those who help Him — Allah/SUNNATULLAH is All-Strong, Almighty (22:39-40)

Those with iman, those who are Jews, and the Christians and Sabaeans, all who have iman in Allah/SUNNATULLAH and the Last Day and act rightly, will have their reward with their Lord. They will feel no fear and will know no sorrow. (2:62)

Those with iman, those who are Jews, and the Christians and Sabaeans, all who have iman in Allah/SUNNATULLAH and the Last Day and act rightly, will have their reward with their Lord. They will feel no fear and will know no sorrow. (5:69)

Those with iman, those who are Jews, and the Christians and Sabaeans, all who have iman in Allah/SUNNATULLAH and the Last Day and act rightly, will have their reward with their Lord. They will feel no fear and will know no sorrow. (22:17)

They say, ´No one will enter the Garden except for Jews and Christians.´ Such is their vain hope. Say, ´Produce your evidence if you are telling the truth.´ Not so! All who submit themselves completely to Allah/SUNNATULLAH and are good-doers will find their reward with their Lord. They will feel no fear and will know no sorrow. The Jews say, ´The Christians have nothing to stand on,´ and the Christians say, ´The Jews have nothing to stand on,´ yet they both recite the Book. Those who do not know say the same as they say. Allah/SUNNATULLAH will judge between them on the Day of Rising regarding the things about which they differ. Who could do greater wrong than someone who bars access to the mosques of Allah/SUNNATULLAH, preventing His name from being remembered in them, and goes about destroying them? Such people will never be able to enter them — except in fear. They will have disgrace in the dunya and in the akhira they will have a terrible punishment. Both East and West belong to Allah/SUNNATULLAH, so wherever you turn, the Face of Allah/SUNNATULLAH is there. Allah/SUNNATULLAH is All-Encompassing, All-Knowing. (2:111-115)

Say: ´You Jews (or Christians, or Muslims etc), if you claim to be the friends of Allah/SUNNATULLAH to the exclusion of all other people, then wish for death if you are telling the truth.´ (62:6)


vs.

(https://i.ibb.co/727bSHd/Screenshot-aaa9.jpg)

(replace "of Sunni Islam (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611439.msg433378#msg433378)" with "THE QURANIST"  :brickwall: , in the name of "DISCOVER TRUE ISLAM" ..
NO OTHER BOOKS, QURAN ALONE! (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611438.msg433545#msg433545) STRICTLY!!!! :rotfl: )

Do not be among the idolaters/WAHABIST/TAKFIRIST/QURANIST: ie. those who split up their deen/SUNNATULLAH, and form into sects, each faction exulting in what they have. (30:31-32)

PLAYLIST (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f617zsFp0Jk&list=PLJQaK4PEAsVwi3KY6Z-IR9QYgequdGC-x)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skb9Wii57nE&t=298s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYePw8wim-E&t=77s
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 19, 2021, 02:24:27 AM
Not everyone, but you are clearly the worst on this planet...
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(https://i.postimg.cc/ryR0DXSM/23-Gifs-of-People-Laughing.gif)

Am I the worst?   :yay:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 19, 2021, 02:26:49 AM
IF Sunnatullah

     THEN One God (vs. Wahabist/Zionist/Takfirist/Quranist/Bigot)

He made all gods ONE GOD (38:5)

We have iman in what has been sent down to us and what was sent down to you. Our God and your God are one and we submit to Him. (29:46)

So call and go straight as you have been ordered to. Do not follow their whims and desires but say, ´I have iman in a Book sent down by Allah/SUNNATULLAH and I am ordered to be just between you. Allah/SUNNATULLAH is our Lord (LAW) and your Lord (LAW). We have our actions/RELIGION and you have your actions/RELIGION. There is no debate between us and you. Allah/SUNNATULLAH will gather us all together. He is our final destination (LAW OF CAUSE & EFFECT, LAW OF NATURE).´ (42:15)



vs.

(https://i.ibb.co/727bSHd/Screenshot-aaa9.jpg)

(replace "of Sunni Islam (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611439.msg433378#msg433378)" with "THE QURANIST"  :brickwall: , in the name of "DISCOVER TRUE ISLAM" ..
NO OTHER BOOKS, QURAN ALONE! (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611438.msg433545#msg433545) STRICTLY!!!! :rotfl: )

Do not be among the idolaters/WAHABIST/TAKFIRIST/QURANIST: ie. those who split up their deen/SUNNATULLAH, and form into sects, each faction exulting in what they have. (30:31-32)

PLAYLIST (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f617zsFp0Jk&list=PLJQaK4PEAsVwi3KY6Z-IR9QYgequdGC-x)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skb9Wii57nE&t=298s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYePw8wim-E&t=77s

What a manipulation for his advantage....

Read 38:04-06 ...
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 19, 2021, 02:36:58 AM
Why you put a strike through to Allah everywhere like Allah then why not make like this SunnaAllah

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
 Such a hilarious way of thought...


05 03 and made unlawful on you dead animals,  blood,  flesh of swine,  and that dedicated to other than NATURE / etc etc"

What a joke... May I know what is the fourth item which is unlawful.. One of my office mate is worshipper on sun... He dedicate to sun sometimes animals... Sun is nature... Can I eat dude?  :rotfl:
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: jkhan on July 19, 2021, 06:59:54 AM
Before the existence of Earth and Heavens, who is Sunnathalla bro?
Without nature how can there be sunnathallah...

But Quran seems to be giving a totally different vista of explanation..
Let me bring such a verse..
41:11 Then He Istawa (rose over) towards the heaven when it was smoke, and said to it and to the earth: "Come both of you willingly or unwillingly." They both said: "We come, willingly."

Do you notice my adorable brother that without Earth and heavens there is simply nothing... No nature...

So who is that who called the Earth and heavens to come willingly or unwillingly?
Don't you use your wits to ponder that there is something beyond this mammoth nature?

Earth and Heavens literally at one stage nothing and that time someone compelling to them to come...  Who is He / IT?
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: Green Anarchism on July 19, 2021, 08:09:24 AM
Who is He / IT?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skb9Wii57nE&t=298s


yawnnn...

(https://i.ibb.co/7r4SrKT/smallmind.gif)

the wahabist extereme and rigid/literal interpretation, and irrelevant to the topic :confused:


Life is too short to argue with ILLOGICAL people.

(https://i.ibb.co/vsTRvLp/anigif-enhanced-buzz-15092-1386429644-10.gif)



The definition of Kafir

No one disputes Allah´s Signs [Our signs on the horizons and in themselves 41:53] except those who are kafir. (40:4)

https://youtu.be/nmquM2jum6I?t=132

(https://i.ibb.co/SnJK8TJ/INSANITY.png)

Which of you is MAD (KAFIR/ ILLOGICAL)? (68:6)


The definition of the Straight Path:

Truly you are guiding to a Straight Path: ie. the Way of Allah/SUNNATULLAH to Whom everything in the heavens and everything on the earth belongs. (42:52-53)


You can't fix stupid... and stupid can't fix themselves.
Title: Re: God is USELESS.. Naturalism is what matters for salvation!
Post by: buragozus on August 28, 2021, 01:14:39 AM
I didn't believe in God for quite a long time, thinking it was just fiction. I felt that if I couldn't see God in front of me, it couldn't exist. I was wrong. I realized I was wrong a couple of months ago when I was told about the janmashtami 2021 (https://imagesday.com/festival/happy-krishna-janmashtami-images) festival. It will be held in three days, and I really want to go there because it has become more meaningful and essential to me to connect with the earth, the sun, and the sky. It frees me from people's problems and routines and gives me a fresher breath of oxygen. I am sure I will feel more comfortable at this festival.