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Title: COVID 19 Alarmism & Hoaxes - How Islamic is the West, Really?
Post by: Neptin on April 24, 2021, 03:29:04 AM
This is my umpteen attempt at doing this post. In March 2020, I was in the middle of a proffessional training when covid hysteria began. Eventually I was forced to suspend my training in compliance with the lockdown regulations. My pals and I thought that within a month, life would return to normal. Because, for all the threat the virus poses, it is a self-limiting disease, the death victims are predominantly geriatrics or immune compromised populations and the fatality rate is on par with common flu.

By April 2020, the lockdown still persisted. And I was forced to proceed my training online, costing me months of crucial on-site experience that I could not obtain online. For this reason, I take the Covid - 19 alarmists & their hoaxes very personal. They've screwed me of my time, my money and several opportunities by enforcing lock down on an infection that could easily be controlled by safety mask or hand gloves.

Unlike early 2020, today if you look to Google search for alternative sources debunking the scare mongering and alarmism on this virus, you won't find anything. Any attempt to inform people that the virus is no where near as dangerous as we are told and that lock down is unnecessary is now deemed misinformation and censored by the legacy media and social media.

We say that "No. This is a violation of freedom of speech, people should be free to air their opinion on the virus." They, the neo-liberals and regressive left, the face of the modern west reply, "It's OK to violate their freedom of speech in order to prevent spreading misinformation that cause infection & death."

We say, "Well, if they're spreading misinformation, it is for us to learn their 'misinformation' and decide wether to accept it or not. If your response to your detractors is ban or censor, it is highly likely that the evidence line against you, and that you have ulterior motives.' This to me is the obvious reality when it pertain to COVID - 19. There have been and there remain alterior motives by the West to maintain public fear of Covid-19 and keep people at home.

And I will get into these ulterior motives at once.
Title: Re: COVID 19 Alarmism & Hoaxes - How Islamic is the West, Really?
Post by: Neptin on April 24, 2021, 03:31:11 AM
Money, Money, & Money Again

I've said it before, there is no charity in the west. Money is the root of every major policy of the west. From the American Civil Right movement, to the Middle East Wars, to Mass Immigration, Multiculturalism, Diversity, Identity politics and now Covid - 19. At the start of the lockdown, we were told that it would last only a couple weeks. Big Tech companies at that point were recovering from huge revenue losses.

What the lockdown did for the Big Tech was drive up demand for their product and services, since small businesses were forced to shut down. So, while the rest of us were trapped at home, losing our jobs and income, more than ever Big companies were raking in huge dollars. Is it any surprise that any attempt to expose the scam behind the virus and all the west's policies surrounding it is censored by Big Tech?

At the same time the Big Tech were doubling and tripling their profits, the government, retail markets and health establishments were earning quick buck on face masks, handgloves, sanitizers and unnecessary covid tests.

Anti-Trumpism

President Trump confirmed earlier on that coronavirus was no more deadly than the flu, that the lockdown were unnecessary, and that hyroxychloroquine can be used to treat it. That was quite early 2020, when the consensus of the medical community on the virus was still unclear. May be the last claim haven't aged well, but the first two have.

Now, because these claims were coming from Trump, the punchbag of the pseudo-liberal, regressive leftwing media and public, insisting on the threat of covid and the necessity of lockdown became the "progressive" or "liberal" thing to do. And so regardless of the devastating consequences of the Covid Hoax and Lockdown, till date, the left wing media carried on in the name of opposing Trump.

2020 US Elections

As I've noted, the Big Tech immensely benefit financially from lockdown. FAMAG - FaceBook, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple & Google all form part of the coalition for the US Left. Much of the profit that they raked in from lockdown naturally went into funding the US left wing electoral campaign. It fully explains why the lockdown that was suppose to last only few weeks of 2020 lasted the entire year and still persist till date.

The only exception for the lockdown were the Black Lives Matter protests. It seem contradictory that the mainstream media and the left encouraged these protest while enforcing lockdown and social distancing everywhere else. But it isn't. The BLM is a pro-leftist bandwagon whose protests amplify the narratives of the political left and more or less serve as campaign rallies for the left. The BLM rioting destroyed small businesses, which increases demand for the big corporations who often support the Left, the BLM received donations which directly or indirectly support the leftist causes.

Conclusion

So, I want to link all these back to the title of this post. What is known as the west today, isn't anymore Islamic than the middle eastern countries. Any country or regime that invent a health crisis, enforce policies regarding it to deprive people of their livelihood & freedom of movement thereby enriching the rich & impoverishing the poor, while suppressing dissenting views and opinions cannot be Islamic.

Peace.
Title: Re: COVID 19 Alarmism & Hoaxes - How Islamic is the West, Really?
Post by: Noon waalqalami on April 24, 2021, 08:49:52 AM
peace, you're young think the world is out to fool you?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Deaths: 3,103,783

you don't want to catch the virus, doctors are not dumb!

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/ted-nugent-positive-coronavirus-diagnosis
Title: Re: COVID 19 Alarmism & Hoaxes - How Islamic is the West, Really?
Post by: Neptin on April 24, 2021, 09:41:03 AM
peace, you're young think the world is out to fool you?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Deaths: 3,103,783

you don't want to catch the virus, doctors are not dumb!

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/ted-nugent-positive-coronavirus-diagnosis

Which doctor? Tell me, Noon. Will any doctor at this rate be allowed to present dissenting opinion on the severity of the infection? When ever I present my opinion on line, I get censored.

Do the Maths, the mortality rate of the virus is 3,103,783/146,676,525 * 1000 = 21.

That is, if you contact the virus, you have just a very slim probability of death, about 0.021.

People who die or suffer during their infection are geriatrics or immuno-compromised folks, not regular folks. I say this from experience.
Title: Re: COVID 19 Alarmism & Hoaxes - How Islamic is the West, Really?
Post by: Noon waalqalami on April 24, 2021, 10:13:33 AM
Which doctor? Tell me, Noon. Will any doctor at this rate be allowed to present dissenting opinion on the severity of the infection? When ever I present my opinion on line, I get censored.

Do the Maths, the mortality rate of the virus is 3,103,783/146,676,525 * 1000 = 21.

That is, if you contact the virus, you have just a very slim probability of death, about 0.021.

People who die or suffer during their infection are geriatrics or immuno-compromised folks, not regular folks. I say this from experience.

3,105,683/146,746,504 = ~2% kill rate

https://epidemic-stats.com/

define "regular folks" e.g., family members?

what percentage still recovering with issues?

Brazilians, Mexicans, et al making stuff up?

Title: Re: COVID 19 Alarmism & Hoaxes - How Islamic is the West, Really?
Post by: Abdun Nur on April 25, 2021, 11:58:05 AM
The evidence suggests doctors are in fact very, very, very dumb, that's not in relation to only the covid scamdemic, but across the entire medical system, this model of quackery was begun by Rockefeller and his fellow psychopaths around 140 years ago, to form a medical monopoly, based not on healing people but on masking symptoms, a healed victim ends the revenue stream, when the medical quackery have gone on strike the death rate drops by around 50%, this is how shit the quackery medical model is, if you'd like to consider the real nature of medicine here's a link:

https://earthcoinage.com/the-nature-of-the-hospital-system/

If you want to learn about the scamdemic:

https://earthcoinage.com/a-pandemic-myth-using-germ-boogeyman-for-totalitarian-control/
Title: Re: COVID 19 Alarmism & Hoaxes - How Islamic is the West, Really?
Post by: Noon waalqalami on April 25, 2021, 10:56:10 PM
The evidence suggests doctors are in fact very, very, very dumb

8:22 ان indeed شر worst الدواب the creatures عند near/with الله the god الصم the deaf البكم the dumb الذىن the ones لا not ىعقلون reasoning

25:63 وعبد and devotees الرحمن the almighty الذىن the ones ىمشون walking على upon الارض the land هونا humble of واذا and when of خاطبهم address them الجهلون the ignorant being قالوا said they of سلما salaman/peace!
Title: Re: COVID 19 Alarmism & Hoaxes - How Islamic is the West, Really?
Post by: reel on April 26, 2021, 01:40:58 AM
Trump confirmed he was intentionally downplaying the virus despite knowing it was deadly. His audio recording here:

https://youtu.be/gBwwgMj-ewI

MSM should have been allowed to show graphic scenes from the hospitals. Now we are getting those from India: https://youtu.be/PmV631kroUU

They could have saved people if only they had enough medical resources. That's one of reasons behind lockdown. We don't want to overwhelm our hospitals.

For an honest analysis on the virus, look for the 2020 feb videos here:

https://www.youtube.com/user/ChrisMartensondotcom

It took a lot of time for msm to catch up with what he was concluding. 

I must still say the financial issues are the result of policies that aren't compatible with this kind of crisis.

Western governments are being clueless about that. China went lenient during their lockdown. Government officials did grocery for the people. Some places received cooked foods. People were even allowed to use creativity to run their businesses. That's why, their economy didn't suffer much.
Title: Re: COVID 19 Alarmism & Hoaxes - How Islamic is the West, Really?
Post by: Abdun Nur on April 26, 2021, 04:46:30 AM
Before you make a comment on a topic "reel" and "Noon waalqalami", the first thing to do is get informed, that does not mean simply watching the television news, which has no obligation to present the truth, which has been repeatedly proven in court, they are only entertainment and as such can tell you what ever utter crap they like, the responsibility is on your shoulders to investigate for yourself, "BEFORE" you post comments, comment not from a position of ignorance, but one of consideration, I gave you a link with lots and lots of information all linked to sources, but instead of considering evidence, you simply spout nonsense filling up the thread with pointless crap.
Title: Re: COVID 19 Alarmism & Hoaxes - How Islamic is the West, Really?
Post by: reel on April 26, 2021, 08:58:33 PM
Before you make a comment on a topic "reel" and "Noon waalqalami", the first thing to do is get informed, that does not mean simply watching the television news, which has no obligation to present the truth, which has been repeatedly proven in court, they are only entertainment and as such can tell you what ever utter crap they like, the responsibility is on your shoulders to investigate for yourself, "BEFORE" you post comments, comment not from a position of ignorance, but one of consideration, I gave you a link with lots and lots of information all linked to sources, but instead of considering evidence, you simply spout nonsense filling up the thread with pointless crap.

Sure I have nothing to do with healthcare and this forum has no posts from me against msm.
Title: Re: COVID 19 Alarmism & Hoaxes - How Islamic is the West, Really?
Post by: Neptin on April 27, 2021, 03:31:34 AM
Trump confirmed he was intentionally downplaying the virus despite knowing it was deadly. His audio recording here:

https://youtu.be/gBwwgMj-ewI

It seem Trump is damage controlling here. Trump like everyone thought the virus was a huge threat, that explains his original audio. Then through counter narratives, Trump decides the virus isn't that much of a threat after all, this explains his public announcement. Now, remember Trump administration later used covid as a reason to increase border control and limit immigration.
This is because, over time, Trump realized he could use the "threat of covid" to his advantage, which explains his later audio.

The point is that, regardless of Trumps's trued position on the virus, by publicly declaring it wasn't the threat the media calls it, people who politically opposed to him were inclined to oppose him on that ground. Hence, you have folks like Nancy Pelosi doing her hair in a public salon despite her party's insistence on lock down. In order words, the virus became politicized. Denying the threat of the virus became correlated with endorsing Trump.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-administration-closed-borders-migrant-children-covid-19/

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MSM should have been allowed to show graphic scenes from the hospitals. Now we are getting those from India: https://youtu.be/PmV631kroUU

They could have saved people if only they had enough medical resources. That's one of reasons behind lockdown. We don't want to overwhelm our hospitals.

The main reason why countries began to ease out of lock down was because they didn't find the infection to be deadly as feared. Right? If overwhelming the hospital is the issue, why lift the lock down?

Time will tell what happened to India. But there are several countries without the extent of lock down as the US or Canada and their mortality rate remain lower. Where I currently live, only schools are shut down. Yet, no covid crisis.
Title: Re: COVID 19 Alarmism & Hoaxes - How Islamic is the West, Really?
Post by: reel on April 29, 2021, 02:50:07 AM
It seem Trump is damage controlling here. Trump like everyone thought the virus was a huge threat, that explains his original audio. Then through counter narratives, Trump decides the virus isn't that much of a threat after all, this explains his public announcement. Now, remember Trump administration later used covid as a reason to increase border control and limit immigration.
This is because, over time, Trump realized he could use the "threat of covid" to his advantage, which explains his later audio.

Whatever we were tracking was being tracked by the military also. They were in panic and hence, told Trump that drastic action was needed to prevent it as soon as possible. He didn't care.

He would have been reelected if he actually played the threat well. But we are better off dead in his narc eyes.

The point is that, regardless of Trumps's trued position on the virus, by publicly declaring it wasn't the threat the media calls it, people who politically opposed to him were inclined to oppose him on that ground. Hence, you have folks like Nancy Pelosi doing her hair in a public salon despite her party's insistence on lock down. In order words, the virus became politicized. Denying the threat of the virus became correlated with endorsing Trump.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-administration-closed-borders-migrant-children-covid-19/

That's because his fans protested. They became the face of denial.

The main reason why countries began to ease out of lock down was because they didn't find the infection to be deadly as feared. Right? If overwhelming the hospital is the issue, why lift the lock down?

I don't think that was the reason. They lifted because of the decline in the number of cases and impatience. History repeated for the third time. Not sure why they get pendamic wrong in the west. Lockdown would have been not neccessary if they were paying attention to what overworking scientists and chinese doctors were saying in the beginning. It was very much clear that masks, contact tracing, disinfecting of roads and testing at airport were effective.Ironically, that time, western media's focus was on how to make it all look like CCP's oppression.


Time will tell what happened to India. But there are several countries without the extent of lock down as the US or Canada and their mortality rate remain lower. Where I currently live, only schools are shut down. Yet, no covid crisis.

It looks out of control in India.

Those who didn't need a lockdown actually took China's warnings seriously and acted fast. Then also visits from other places matter.
Title: Re: COVID 19 Alarmism & Hoaxes - How Islamic is the West, Really?
Post by: Abdun Nur on April 29, 2021, 03:32:21 AM
The flu is proven not contagious, proven twice through clinical trials, first in 1918 with a human trial and again in 2020 with animal clinical trials, impossible to catch the flu from anyone else, this is because the flu is not a virus, and why they can not isolate any virus for the flu and why they have to use pictures of exosomes and pretend they are pictures of a virus.

The Chinese recently did a clinical trial of 10 million people to prove asymptomatic spreading of the flu, the trial proved not a single case of asymptomatic spread of the flu out of ten million.

The mask worn globally to protect against catching the flu is not proven in any clinical trials or any evidence what so ever even anecdotal  evidence in support.

Now to post these clinical trials on social media is claimed spreading of disinformation, and they claim it is endangering the lives of others by informing them of evidence that refutes the lies of the establishment, they are now moving towards criminalising those who express the truth as they have being doing for decades to anyone presenting the evidence the jewish holocaust is nonsense.

The truly moronic spread the establishment bullshit as if they are informed, but the reality for them will come home to roost very soon, as their owners have an agenda of depopulation, and the easiest method of depopulation is vaccine genocide, so all those gullible fools that buy into the establishment lies, and line up to be injected with a toxic chemical cocktail designed to generate disease within the victim, and who demand vaccine passports to force those less willing to be murdered, to join the bandwagon they are sitting on, won't be around for long, it's effectively the culling of the stupid..

Title: Re: COVID 19 Alarmism & Hoaxes - How Islamic is the West, Really?
Post by: good logic on April 29, 2021, 06:44:58 AM
Some "truly moronic" folks have been going about their business and are finding themselves caught up in catching this virus, dying from it,forced to wear masks, fined for going out in lockdown. This is their reality at the moment in almost every country in the world!

Folks are seeing the reality of what the virus is doing or whatever one calls it. They are afraid! They see friends and family die every day. It is obvious and logical to them to queue up for a saving vaccine? They will believe a vaccine more than they will believe they are being conned!!

Who is taking part in this deceit? All of countries? How do you solve this mess?

What is the use of believing we are being deceived?  How do we deal with it?

Who can escape and how from not "being gullible?

I know one thing, the problem is not with ordinary folks who want to mind their own business and live peacefully with their fellow humans and  love them. Calling them morons and gullible will not help the solution.
Helping them constructively and with a plan and treating them with respect. will be a start. They are just trying to survive the calamity!
GOD bless you all.
Peace.
Title: Re: COVID 19 Alarmism & Hoaxes - How Islamic is the West, Really?
Post by: Abdun Nur on April 29, 2021, 10:32:43 AM
There is no calamity of a virus, the 5G network is a weapons system, which is the reason the elite feel confident to roll out the new world order, the virus scam is a smoke screen to the 5G system, they can target populations once the system is installed, it prevents the cells from absorbing oxygen properly, a form of altitude sickness, if the signal is not terminated then the victim will only survive if they breath very high concentrations of oxygen.

This is becoming the method to generate victims of the scamdemic, and why oxygen is needed to treat victims, a flu sufferer doesn't need oxygen, a flu sufferer just needs to stop consuming toxic crap, reduce stress and avoid electromagnetic pollution, flu is a reaction to toxins in the body, it's a cleaning reaction, nothing to do with any fictional virus, it is impossible to become immune to the flu as you did not catch it, you created it, you can only end the internal terrains contamination to end the flu.

People have allowed the jinn now called psychopaths to dominate them to the point they are enslaved in both mind and body, they worship and protect their owners, they want the five forms of usury, believing that there could never be another way, only through usury (riba) can humanity exist.

If you act like this, then you will be replaced, the vaccine cull and the 5G weapons system is going to achieve this quickly, what can be done, become something better, if you do not, nothing of humanity will survive, the jinn will inherit the earth.
Title: Re: COVID 19 Alarmism & Hoaxes - How Islamic is the West, Really?
Post by: good logic on April 30, 2021, 01:30:45 AM
Peace Abdun Nur.

You are saying,quote:

"If you act like this, then you will be replaced, the vaccine cull and the 5G weapons system is going to achieve this quickly, what can be done, become something better, if you do not, nothing of humanity will survive, the jinn will inherit the earth."

I am scratching my head!
All my life I am trying to become something better. May be you do not believe me, but just what is this "better" that you are asking  folks to become?

My experience in striving to become better is a long and difficult journey. Ongoing and hard to measure  its scale.

I tried this criteria:
1-Follow instructions of how to become better.
-Gain the right knowledge to check the instructions make sense and lead on this journey to "become better".
- Measure the improvement  and learn the corrective measures.

Then  along my journey I find many different " become better" that people,history and systems have defined according to their own version of criteria and ways of this journey.. Most of them lead to false "become better" .

Our knowledge is crap basically. Each thinking their way of becoming better is the only way!!! Or at least each faction thinks the knowledge and ways of another faction is crap.

There will always be this division with us humans. My way is crap to you and someone else and your way is crap to another and so on...

Just how do I get to "become better" in all these crap ways!!!!
That is why I am scratching my head brother.

Just when I thought I found a book ,like no other ,with my instructions of how to get better, many are still insisting with me I need something else to become better.
Brother, I will stick to my way for now, with all due respect, I will make my own way towards my version of becoming better. If I do not succeed it will be my own fault.
I am trying to understand where you are coming from,but I honestly do not understand your way of how I become better.
Thanks anyway.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: COVID 19 Alarmism & Hoaxes - How Islamic is the West, Really?
Post by: Abdun Nur on May 01, 2021, 12:40:12 AM
Peace Logic,

it is a collective requirement, become collectively something better, this means establish models for collective interactions that allow you to exists free of hierarchy, the five forms of usury, and monopolies, it is nothing to do with what you believe religiously.

If you do not become collectively something better, it is not divine intervention that will scrap the planet of humanity, but the systems imposed of hierarchy, the five forms of usury and monopolies.