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Other Issues => Christianity/Judaism/Others => Topic started by: Ervin on October 03, 2020, 06:27:19 PM

Title: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: Ervin on October 03, 2020, 06:27:19 PM
I have copied the following post from the other section of this forum, also written by me and I am going to paste it here:

Ok the following is a copy:

Hi everyone. I have been on these forum in the past and also on many other forums of different so called religions and different so called spiritual teachings. I have studied the quran same as you people do. So I sort of knew the quran pretty well and I now it know, probably not as well as I knew it in the past, but I do know it.

Anyway, in the quran it’s written the following:

 Say: ‘If all mankind and the jinn would come together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce its like even though they exerted all their strength in aiding one another.’ } The Quran 17:88

The above verse is not true. Read the Bible for yourself, both the Old Testament and the New Testament. Read the full book of Job or let’s say the books of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John and then read the quran and it will hopefully become obvious that the quran is nowhere as well written as the bible. Some say quran is so well written it’s a miracle, that’s not true, Bible is written so well it’s a miracle.

I am not trying to offend any of you people, I am just trying to relate to you you what I know to be the Truth about Our Heavenly Father and His Only Beggoten Son Jesus Christ Our Lord And Saviour.

Thanks
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: shukri on October 03, 2020, 10:55:14 PM
Anyway, in the quran it’s written the following:

Say: ‘If all mankind and the jinn would come together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce its like even though they exerted all their strength in aiding one another.’ } The Quran 17:88

The above verse is not true.

Nope! The verse is very true.
Why? Because of miracle-19 (AQ 74:30)

Now we use AL-Muzzammil Method (https://al-muzzammil.com/relevance_miracle/19_based_calc.html) to see the connection of miracle-19 and verse 17:88...

74:30 Over it is nineteen ... (miracle-19)
17:88 Say, "If all the humans and all the jinns banded together in order to produce a Quran like this, they could never produce anything like it, no matter how much assistance they lent one another."
--> (17+88) + (74+30) = 209 = 11 x 19
Position 1 (Scenario Described)
Level 2 (Related to righteousness)
(Indication: The verse 17:88 is inter-related to verse 74:30)

The proof: https://sites.google.com/site/evidenceofgod/quran/appendices/1-one-of-the-great-miracles

The challenge:
74:30 Over it is nineteen.
17:88 Say, "If all the humans and all the jinns banded together in order to produce a Quran like this, they could never produce anything like it, no matter how much assistance they lent one another." 
2:23 If you have any doubt regarding what we revealed to our servant, then produce one sura like these, and call upon your own witnesses against God, if you are truthful.
--> (23) (88) (30) = 12570 x 19
Position 0 (Wild Card ... All position 1 to 9 applicable)
Level 5 (Detailing Information) 

http://www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/bp2/BeyondProbability_TheKey_AlFatehah.pdf? 
https://sites.google.com/site/evidenceofgod/math-miracle/19/the-quranic-challenge
http://www.masjidtucson.org/downloads/bp.pdf/

Thank you.
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: Wakas on October 04, 2020, 01:56:42 AM
Is The Bible you are referring to this one:
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/errors_mistakes_bible.htm

?
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: shukri on October 04, 2020, 03:37:52 AM
Bro Wakas,

You have "Karma +13/-2" ... what does it means?
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: good logic on October 04, 2020, 05:51:55 AM
The Bible is not "one book". It is a collection of many"books"  that existed from Early Judaism through to  Christianity .
The bible may contain a mixture of some  scripture (Torah) and some (Injil) and other Men s books (claimed to be inspired by GOD) and history..
 All  one can say about the bible is :
Study the content and use  your own understanding,logic and knowledge to decipher GOD s word from men s words . If one is using the criteria that GOD s words are true and perfect, then there should be no contradictions or clear errors.
However some statements,chapters/books.. in the bible may contain GOD s words even if others do not,unless one finds errors in every statement,chapter and book of the bible.
If one believes the Qoran is GOD s words ,they should do the same with the contents.
GOD has clearly indicated in Qoran that Torah and Injil were from GOD. That is not to say it is the present bible.But remnants/parts of them  may be in the bible.
GOD also instructs the Jews and Christians to follow GOD s words in the Torah and Injil respectively. So they must exist with what they have/call as their scripture. GOD is precise and says "only what GOD sent down to them",hence the need to check them out..
 
Coming back to  Ervin s point that the bible is better written than Qoran:
1- Nowhere do we find ,in the bible that GOD sent "the bible we have" as a full book of scripture".
2- If it contains GOD s words"some scripture" in it , then where is the problem with what GOD is saying in Qoran?

All GOD is saying in Qoran "n o one can produce scripture-In this case Qoran_" and not make some kind of contradiction/error...That can apply to all GOD s words if one uses the criteria and logic that GOD does not do errors/contradictions and knows everything and it is impossible for man to talk/know about the creation, the realm of GOD, the unseen etc...
It thereofore stands to reason that all words must be checked to "distinguish the true from the false" and GOD s words are and always will be TRUE AND PERFECT".
GOD bless.
Peace.
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: Wakas on October 04, 2020, 11:50:52 AM
Bro Wakas,

You have "Karma +13/-2" ... what does it means?

People can vote on your posts, e.g. applaud/+ve   or   smite/-ve. You are seeing the accumulated "score".

It doesn't really mean anything. A quirk of the forum software.
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: shukri on October 04, 2020, 04:24:02 PM
People can vote on your posts, e.g. applaud/+ve   or   smite/-ve. You are seeing the accumulated "score".

It doesn't really mean anything. A quirk of the forum software.

Thanks bro for your explanation!
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: Ervin on October 04, 2020, 06:11:27 PM
Following is a copy from the other section of this forum posted by me:

I’ll post some verses from the Bible that are good to know:

 3:16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

14:6: Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

2 Timothy 3:16: All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness

1:7: The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.

book of Exodus 20: Exodus 20:1-20

20Then God spoke all these words: 2I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 3you shall have no other gods before me. 4You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, 6but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments. 7You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.

Thanks
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: Bikrun on October 05, 2020, 05:26:32 AM
Salam,

I dont really understand what you mean by "well writen", but if you mean it in a traditional hermeneutical way, I would just tell you that you are reading translations, and specially in some cases,  higly enriched meta texts. For example, the so called Gospels (which I do not personally believe is the "injeel") were writen in Helenistic Greek. Well, the Gospels are full of grammar mistakes. There is few space to refute this since Greek had clear and very useful grammar books centuries before.

Now let's come to the Quran. Of course you can have any opinion and I welcome it as I think exactly the same... then i realize that Quran is not a "book" to read, but a book to understand. That is why forums like this do exist, because we all try to understand. It rises more questions than answers and it shakes your mind every single second for good or bad, as you want. In my opinion, Gospels do not, they just tell you a story as they are human writen (remember the epistoles).

when you get to understand that you do not "read" the Quran, some verses explain you that they are not to be read in the (lets say) "traditional" way, but there is some kind of inter and intra text inherence not found in any other of the books you mentioned.

My point is that your question is pointless. Would you say that something is less beautiful just because yo cant see it?

Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: Jafar on October 05, 2020, 11:41:34 PM
Say: ‘If all mankind and the jinn would come together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce its like even though they exerted all their strength in aiding one another.’ } The Quran 17:88

I sometimes wondered the Quran author's psyche condition when he penned out that sentence.
#pride #mybook #isthebest #nobodycanbeatme #quranpride

(https://i.imgur.com/TNPniSh.jpg)

Quote
The above verse is not true. Read the Bible for yourself, both the Old Testament and the New Testament. Read the full book of Job or let’s say the books of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John and then read the quran and it will hopefully become obvious that the quran is nowhere as well written as the bible. Some say quran is so well written it’s a miracle, that’s not true, Bible is written so well it’s a miracle.

And I wonder what is actually Jesus own opinion regarding the matter?

"The greatest among you shall be your servant. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted."
-- Jesus, as reported by Matt 23:12


Below is a wonderful ancient Chinese poem regarding humility as a key virtue..

ALL things in Nature work silently.
They come into being and possess nothing.
They fulfil their functions and make no claim.

When merit has been achieved, do not take it to yourself;
for if you do not take it to yourself, it shall never be taken from you.

Follow diligently the Way in your own heart,
But make no display of it to the world.
Keep behind, and you shall be put in front;
Keep out, and you shall be kept in.
Goodness strives not, and therefore it is not rebuked.

He that humbles himself shall be preserved the entire.
He that bends shall be made straight.
He that is empty shall be filled.
He that is worn out shall be renewed.
He who has little shall succeed.
He who has much shall go astray.

Therefore the Sage embraces Unity,
And it is a model for all under Heaven.
He is free from self-display, therefore he shines forth;
He is free from self-assertion, therefore he is distinguished;
He is free from self-glorification, therefore he has merit;
He is free from self-exaltation, therefore he rises superior to all.

Thus when the best leader’s work is done the people say, ‘We did it ourselves.'"


-- Lao Tse
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: shukri on October 06, 2020, 02:04:15 AM
I sometimes wondered the Quran author's psyche condition when he penned out that sentence.
#pride #mybook #isthebest #nobodycanbeatme #quranpride

1. Who said that? Maybe this statement is made by someone who does not know about the God's signature of nineteen (AQ 74:30). Now everything is very clear that the verse 17:88 is talking about mathematical composition embedded by the Owner of the quran. Everybody can see it!
https://sites.google.com/site/evidenceofgod/quran/appendices/1-one-of-the-great-miracles

2. Say, If you have any doubt about the God's statement in verse 17:88 then produce one sura like al-fateha (based on 19-denominator) which fulfill all the facts given in this link ...
http://www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/bp2/BeyondProbability_TheKey_AlFatehah.pdf?

3. And here is a reminder from the owner of the Book ...
2:24 If you cannot do this - and you can never do this - then beware of the Hellfire, whose fuel is people and rocks; it awaits the disbelievers.

4. Sorry, I respond to you because your "name" in specific is coded in the quran:
AL-Muzzammil Method :https://al-muzzammil.com/relevance_miracle/19_based_calc.html

74:30 Over it is nineteen.
17:88 Say, "If all the humans and all the jinns banded together in order to produce a Quran like this, they could never produce anything like it, no matter how much assistance they lent one another."
2:23 If you have any doubt regarding what we revealed to our servant, then produce one sura like these, and call upon your own witnesses against God, if you are truthful.
353 ... gematrical value for Jafar (جعفر)
--> 353 + (23) + (88) + (30) = 494 = 26 x 19
Position 2: Caution
Level 3: Include Missing Information

May God bless you!
Thank you.
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: good logic on October 06, 2020, 02:16:13 AM
Peace Jafar.

What you say here stems from misunderstanding  the sentence Qoran is saying,quote:

"I sometimes wondered the Quran author's psyche condition when he penned out that sentence.
#pride #mybook #isthebest #nobodycanbeatme #quranprid"


Qoran is simply saying  humans and jinns(GOD s creations) have not got the knowledge about creation,GOD s realm ,the unseen...etc  And they have not got the knowledge to compose a text using both mathematics and language/literacy to lock its letters, words,verses and chapters (to prevent change-adding or taking away  from it-) Qoran contents are an impossibility for them to produce. It is a simple truth. Only GOD has that perfect knowledge.

The rest of your post  will become irrelevant and out of context in this case.

Or is it me who is misunderstanding the sentence?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: Jafar on October 07, 2020, 12:51:32 AM
353 ... gematrical value for Jafar (جعفر)
--> 353 + (23) + (88) + (30) = 494 = 26 x 19
Position 2: Caution
Level 3: Include Missing Information

May God bless you!
Thank you.

I'm sorry I don't believe in gemmatrial, on any form or on any application.
They have tried to apply the same thing to other books as well, including Torah, Bible or even Ancient Egyptian holy books / scrolls.

And it's quite useless to apply gemmatrial to Jafar, as Jafar actually do not exist, he's just an avatar on this forum that the consciousness behind him made up in an instant. Thus it also serve as an evidence that what gemmatrial does to the word Jafar doesn't actually mean anything.

Thank you and the one infinite God is always blessing all of us..

Qoran is simply saying  humans and jinns(GOD s creations) have not got the knowledge about creation,GOD s realm ,the unseen...etc  And they have not got the knowledge to compose a text using both mathematics and language/literacy to lock its letters, words,verses and chapters (to prevent change-adding or taking away  from it-) Qoran contents are an impossibility for them to produce. It is a simple truth. Only GOD has that perfect knowledge.

The rest of your post  will become irrelevant and out of context in this case.

Or is it me who is misunderstanding the sentence?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

I do understand your personal motivation of replying as such.

To me that sentence doesn't resonate well, it's clearly not wise and it's quite useless.
I share the same opinion with Razi, that's why I quoted him.
Fully concur with Razi, what are the criteria is not clearly defined, thus such statement is quite useless.
And eloquence or rhyme is subjective in nature, while the topics being described inside the book is not something new or unheard before.

But that also applicable to the thread starter as well.
And this is the crux of the topic.

Without clearly defined objective criteria you can't really compare one with the other.
Propose the criteria then it can be a discussion.

So let's say if you want to compare one phone to another, came up with the criteria first, RAM, Processor Speed, Screen Resolution, Camera Resolution, Battery Consumption whatever and THEN compare one phone to another. And not just claiming that IPHONE IS THE BEST PHONE! without any clear criteria. Let alone bringing a justification of IPhone is the best phone because I owned one. That's silly, unwise and childish.

But I do understand that the thread starter's thought processes is also influenced by that statement in the Quran, which resulted in both to become vague and quite useless.

I then propose a criteria, let's call it 'resonance'.
And applying it not on the 'bundle' or 'book' level but on the statement level.
How well does the statement in any of the material resonate well with you.
And then apply that to the statements within Torah, Nevim, Ketuvim, Gospels, Acts, Paul's Letters, Revelation, Quran or any other material that you choose....

Based on my personal experience reading all of those materials, I found some statements within those books resonate well with me and some other clearly does not. I only took those which resonate well with me, regardless of the source and disband / ignore those who does not resonate well with me, again regardless of the source.

On my previous post; I've quoted Jesus sourced from Matthew, Lao Tse sourced from Tao The Ching regarding humility as a virtue and why it is a virtue, vis-a-vis Pride. Thus on the same topic let me quote from the Quran as well this time.

"The servants of the Most Gracious are those who walk upon the earth in humility, and who, when the ignorant address them, say, "Peace!"
-- 25:63

Regardless of the source, those statements resonate well with me.

While pride related statements such as "how we are better than others", "how our status is higher than others", "how this book is better than others", "how our people shall conquer the land promised to only us", "how only our group being blessed by our God and other group will be tortured by our God" or let alone statements related to  "cursing another people" doesn't resonate well with me. The same thing goes with 'fear' related statements which also clearly does not resonate well with me.

And I do recommend to any of you to do the same...
But of course which statement resonate well with you and which one does not will vary.
As people will resonate or attracted to things which matches with how they actually are inside.
And not the other way around.

Thank you and the one infinite God is always blessing all of us..
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: good logic on October 07, 2020, 01:28:52 AM
Peace Jafar.

You are missing my point.
Of course you are entitled to choose whatever you want and however  you want to do it.

I am saying this is irrelevant and out of context to the sentence you are talking about,quote:

"While pride related statements such as "how we are better than others", "how our status is higher than others", "how this book is better than others", "how our people shall conquer the land promised to only us", "how only our group being blessed by our God and other group will be tortured by our God" or let alone statements related to  "cursing another people" doesn't resonate well with me. The same thing goes with 'fear' related statements which also clearly does not resonate well with me."

That sentence is not comparing books or statements . It is simply stating a fact:
Creation cannot produce  what it does not know. The creator can because of the "complete knowledge".
There is no comparison.
Like when one says that the Creator is omnipotent,Omnipresent...etc Are they comparing? No it is a fact. and the truth.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: shukri on October 07, 2020, 02:11:38 AM
I'm sorry I don't believe in gemmatrial, on any form or on any application.
They have tried to apply the same thing to other books as well, including Torah, Bible or even Ancient Egyptian holy books / scrolls.

That's not the important point. The essence of my posting is your statement regarding this...
"I sometimes wondered the Quran author's psyche condition when he penned out that sentence. #pride #mybook #isthebest #nobodycanbeatme #quranpride"

Please give your answer to my question mentioned in previous post:  
"Say, If you have any doubt about the God's statement in verse 17:88 then produce one sura like al-fateha (based on 19-denominator) which fulfill all the facts given in this link ...
http://www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/bp2/BeyondProbability_TheKey_AlFatehah.pdf?"

Just say... You "Can" or you "Cannot"!
If you say "Can", please show me the proof and I will believe in you. But if your answer is "Cannot" please take note that you are bound to the warning of verse 2:24.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: tutti_frutti on October 07, 2020, 07:30:41 AM
salam

Quran is very well “written”... it never contradicts itself ... shifting of point of view is extraordinary and you understand it is from God .. the proofs are everywhere throughout the book and we realzoe that only the One who created existence could have made and sent the Quran .. the logic in it is incredible

just an example or two in the logic:

portrayal of the devil:

in bible the devil organizes a rebellion and wars with angels blablabla and god tells angels to guard the tree lest adam becomes eternal or wtvr

in Quran, the devil asks permission from God to continue existing and attempt to deviate humans

creation story of bible mentions “and god saw it was good” after each creation.. wtvr God creates is perfect in its purpose as it is exactly how He wanted it to be so what does it even mean “god saw it was good”

bible is very fantasy, badly written (as it is now and not as when God sent the Torah and Injeel originally), and full of contradictions at every turn that it becomes extremely obvious that people heavily altered what God sent

i think Torah and Injeel were merged into what is the old testament/hebrew bible and altered by people, and that other books like gospels are completely man made

anyways, Quran is extremely well written from all aspects .. logic, proofs, no contradictions etc

prace
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: shukri on October 08, 2020, 08:40:16 AM
For information only

Below is the answer from al-quran for the people who are in doubt about God's statement in verse 17:88.
The selected verses are arranged in sequence just to summarize what I have written in previous posts.
Method used: https://al-muzzammil.com/relevance_miracle/19_based_calc.html

74:30 Upon it is nineteen.
74:35 It is one of the great ones.
17:81 And say: "The truth has come and falsehood has perished. Falsehood is always bound to perish!"
17:88 Say: "If all mankind and the Jinn were to gather to bring a Qur'an like this, they could not come with its like, even if they were helping one another."
2:23 And if you are in doubt as to what We have sent down to Our servant, then bring a chapter like this, and call upon your witnesses other than God if you are truthful.
28:50 But if they fail to respond to you, then know that they follow only their desires. And who is more astray than he who follows his desire, without guidance from God? God does not guide the wicked people.
34:49 Say: "The truth has come; while falsehood can neither initiate anything, nor resurrect."

--> 3449 2850 223 17(8188) 74(3035) = 1815413169640957302265 x 19
Position 5 (Gift)
Level 9 (Misconceptions clarified)

Note:
1. Al-Quran Translation ... Free-minds
2. The Missing word for "a chapter" in 2:23 ... Al-Fatehah

2:23   And if you are in doubt as to what We have sent down to Our servant, then bring a chapter like this, and call upon your witnesses other than God if you are truthful. 
Gv for al-fatehah = 925 (الفاتحة)
--> 925 + (2+23) = 950 = 50 x 19
Position 0: Wild card
Level 3: Include Missing Information

Ends.
Sorry for any inconvenience!
Thank you.
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: Noon waalqalami on October 08, 2020, 08:44:46 PM
For information only

Below is the answer from al-quran for the people who are in doubt about God's statement in verse 17:88.

74:30 Upon it is nineteen.

peace, using context cross-reference what does عليها alayha/over "it" (feminine) refer to exactly?


Note:
1. Al-Quran Translation ... Free-minds
2. The Missing word for "a chapter" in 2:23 ... Al-Fatehah

2:23   And if you are in doubt as to what We have sent down to Our servant, then bring a chapter like this, and call upon your witnesses other than God if you are truthful. 
Gv for al-fatehah = 925 (الفاتحة)
--> 925 + (2+23) = 950 = 50 x 19

likewise be consistent chapter names are innovation e.g.
at-tawbah gv 839 (ٱلتَّوْبَة‎) "the repentance" 9th chapter
--> 839 + (10+38) = 887 = 19 x 841.526315789

10:38 ام or يقولون speaketh being افتره fabricates it (m) قل say فاتوا so approaches ye of بسوره bisuratin/with chapter مثله similitude it (m) وادعوا and invoke ye of من whom استطعتم are able you من from دون besides الله the god ان if كنتم be you صدقين sincere

11:13 ام or يقولون speaketh being افتره fabricates it (m) قل say فاتوا so approaches ye of بعشر with ten سور chapters مثله similitude it (m) مفتريت fabricated وادعوا and invoke ye of من whom استطعتم are able you من from دون besides الله the god ان if كنتم be you صدقين sincere

17:88 قل say لين while اجتمعت gathers they الانس the humanity والجن and the jinn علي on ان that ياتوا approached they of بمثل with similitude هذا this القران the Qur’an (masculine) لا not ياتون coming بمثله with similitude it (m) ولو and in case كان be بعضهم some them لبعض to others ظهيرا assistant of

52:33-34 ام or يقولون speaketh being تقوله it speech his بل rather لا not يومنون believing فلياتوا so let approached they of بحديث bihadithin/with narration (masculine) مثله similitude it (m) ان if كانوا be they of صدقين sincere

4:82 افلا do so not يتدبرون they reflecting القران the Qur’an (masculine) ولو and in case كان be/was من from عند near/with غير other than الله the god لوجدوا surely found they of فيه in it (m) اختلفا ikhtilafan/divergences of (word occurs once in the book) كثيرا kathiran/much of (3+)


74:30 Over it is nineteen.
17:88 Say, "If all the humans and all the jinns banded together in order to produce a Quran like this, they could never produce anything like it, no matter how much assistance they lent one another."
2:23 If you have any doubt regarding what we revealed to our servant, then produce one sura like these, and call upon your own witnesses against God, if you are truthful.
353 ... gematrical value for Jafar (جعفر)
--> 353 + (23) + (88) + (30) = 494 = 26 x 19

you forgot two verses ...

10:38 ام or يقولون speaketh being افتره fabricates it قل say فاتوا so approaches ye of بسوره with chapter مثله similitude it وادعوا and invoke ye of من whom استطعتم are able you من from دون besides الله the god ان if كنتم be you صدقين sincere

11:13 ام or يقولون speaketh being افتره fabricates it قل say فاتوا so approaches ye of بعشر with ten سور chapters مثله similitude it مفتريت fabricated وادعوا and invoke ye of من whom استطعتم are able you من from دون besides الله the god ان if كنتم be you صدقين sincere

530... gematrical value for shukri (شكري‎)
--> 530 + (23) + (88) + (30) + (38) + (13)  = 722 = 38 x 19

peace!
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: Jafar on October 09, 2020, 04:00:14 AM
That sentence is not comparing books or statements . It is simply stating a fact:
Creation cannot produce  what it does not know. The creator can because of the "complete knowledge".
There is no comparison.
Like when one says that the Creator is omnipotent,Omnipresent...etc Are they comparing? No it is a fact. and the truth.

Creation cannot be attracted to something which he / she / it doesn't have any exposure with.
That's why the name of the game, in this universe, is to be exposed to the contrast.

If #pride is the thing for him / her / it, then that will be thing that he / she / it will be resonating with.
If #humlity is the thing for him / her / it, then that will be thing that he / she / it will be resonating with.
And so on...
Everything has it's own opposite..

That's why: There is no compulsion in judgement, truth stands out clear from error.

The 'error' are there mixed up with 'truth' to make the truth stands out.
Thus.. feel free to choose...

The Thread Starter and some of those who replied here, seems to be attracted more to the pride game..
He/she associate and identify him/her self with something (in this case a title referring to bundle of books/statements) and then state that it's the 'best' compared to others.

To me actually it doesn't matter, as I find NONE of those books is 100% resonating with me.
Some statements within those books resonate and some others does not.

Example: I'm more attracted towards the opposite of pride, which is humility.
On any sources where I find statement regarding humility it resonate better with me.
Thus I never said any of those book are superior or the best or inferior.. because I carefully cherry picking statements within those books (and also other books, ebooks or even personal life experience)

But I can say that statements within those books are mixture of both, if pride is what you're attracted to, you will definitely find it there.
If humility is what you're attracted to, you will definitely find it there as well.

And the same goes with other opposite conception, love x hate, fear x courage, judgement x understanding, revenge x forgiveness, blessing x cursing, separation x unity etc..

Again.. feel free to choose, which statement that resonate with you the most.

But in all case.. respect the rights of others to also free to choose... at least don't spread out or threatened them with fear.
Let them be authentic to themselves..

Side Note:
I actually will have more respect to the Thread Starter (or anyone who replied) IF it's more of something like this:

"I find the Gospels to be the best books for me, within I'm inspired by the example of Jesus Christ, through his life story I found the meaning of love, compassion, humility and forgiveness. I'm truly inspired by the story and it makes try to apply love, compassion, humility and forgiveness within all aspect of my life".

It's what you apply to your life that actually matter...

Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: good logic on October 09, 2020, 05:04:07 AM
Peace Jafar.
 You say,quote:
Side Note:
"I actually will have more respect to the Thread Starter (or anyone who replied) IF it's more of something like this:

"I find the Gospels to be the best books for me, within I'm inspired by the example of Jesus Christ, through his life story I found the meaning of love, compassion, humility and forgiveness. I'm truly inspired by the story and it makes try to apply love, compassion, humility and forgiveness within all aspect of my life".

It's what you apply to your life that actually matter..."

Before that you said this,quote:
"On my previous post; I've quoted Jesus sourced from Matthew, Lao Tse sourced from Tao The Ching regarding humility as a virtue and why it is a virtue, vis-a-vis Pride. Thus on the same topic let me quote from the Quran as well this time.

"The servants of the Most Gracious are those who walk upon the earth in humility, and who, when the ignorant address them, say, "Peace!"
-- 25:63

Regardless of the source, those statements resonate well with me."

Here comes a contradiction from you,quote:

While pride related statements such as "how we are better than others", "how our status is higher than others", "how this book is better than others", "how our people shall conquer the land promised to only us", "how only our group being blessed by our God and other group will be tortured by our God" or let alone statements related to  "cursing another people" doesn't resonate well with me. The same thing goes with 'fear' related statements which also clearly does not resonate well with me.

And I do recommend to any of you to do the same...""

Did you not compare  yourself? "how this book is better than others"?  Look at your first quote," I find the Gospels to be the vest books for me..."
So which is it you are recommending? To have pride or not have pride? I mean to compare or not ?

GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: shukri on October 09, 2020, 07:45:54 AM
Bro Jafar,
I have something to say about your comments in this thread:

(1) Quran is not a collection of poetry or human philosophy. Quran is a message from God to mankind. That is the fact and the proof is there (74:30-37, 2:23-24). Whether it will resonate with people or not, that's a different story. The poetry or philosophy (Lao Tse, etc.) are human-made and not comparable to Quran.

26:224   And the poets, are followed by the strayers.
26:225   Do you not see that they traverse in every valley.
26:226   And that what they say, is not what they do!
26:227   Except for those who believe, and do good works, and remember God greatly, and were victorious after they were wronged. As for those who did wrong, they will know which fate they will meet.

(2) And I do not resonate with human teachings of philosophy/poetry in any book/writing because most of them are liars. Just take your statement below as a proof:

[I actually will have more respect to the Thread Starter (or anyone who replied) IF it's more of something like this:
"I find the Gospels to be the best books for me, within I'm inspired by the example of Jesus Christ, through his life story I found the meaning of love, compassion, humility and forgiveness. I'm truly inspired by the story and it makes try to apply love, compassion, humility and forgiveness within all aspect of my life"]

If "Jesus" is really applying what he is talking about (love,compassion, humility and forgiveness), why does he in person fail to follow his own teaching! See bible verses below:

(a) You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? (Mat 23:17)
(b) On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple courts and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, (Mark 11:15)

Just my 2 cents comment!
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: hawk99 on October 10, 2020, 02:54:07 PM

 
I am not trying to offend any of you people, I am just trying to relate to you you what I know to be the Truth about Our Heavenly Father and His Only Beggoten Son Jesus Christ Our Lord And Saviour.

Thanks

Peace Ervin, I have indeed read the entire bible and have found it to
to have many problems like "begotten son" for example.


                                                    :peace:
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: Jafar on October 14, 2020, 06:16:00 PM
(1) Quran is not a collection of poetry or human philosophy. Quran is a message from God to mankind. That is the fact and the proof is there (74:30-37, 2:23-24). Whether it will resonate with people or not, that's a different story. The poetry or philosophy (Lao Tse, etc.) are human-made and not comparable to Quran.

Isn't God the one who created EVERYTHING?

Quote
[I actually will have more respect to the Thread Starter (or anyone who replied) IF it's more of something like this:
"I find the Gospels to be the best books for me, within I'm inspired by the example of Jesus Christ, through his life story I found the meaning of love, compassion, humility and forgiveness. I'm truly inspired by the story and it makes try to apply love, compassion, humility and forgiveness within all aspect of my life"]

If "Jesus" is really applying what he is talking about (love,compassion, humility and forgiveness), why does he in person fail to follow his own teaching! See bible verses below:

(a) You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? (Mat 23:17)
(b) On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple courts and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, (Mark 11:15)

Like I said if something doesn't resonate with you, from whatever source, then just ignore it..
Cherry pick only those that resonate with you.

If you don't like cursing anyone as shown by Jesus there (or whomever), then do not curse anyone.

I would like to add more example, related to cursing, from any sources:
- Cursing a fig tree.
- Cursing the pharisees and the scribes, labelling them as 'viper'.
- Cursing the flame daddy and his wife
- Cursing the unbelievers
- Cursing the Jews

But, if you feel that 'cursing' DOES resonate with you, then feel free to curse anyone or anything that you like and use anything that you found within (any) books to justify the act.




Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: shukri on October 14, 2020, 08:00:14 PM
But, if you feel that 'cursing' DOES resonate with you, then feel free to curse anyone or anything that you like and use anything that you found within (any) books to justify the act.

Bro Jafar,
I'm not cursing anyone including a man called "Jesus" or any poets or philosophers. I'm just saying most of them are liars. Just talk-the-talk but not walk-the-talk (AQ 26:224-27). AND this statement also applies to you.

26:224   And the poets are followed by the strayers.
26:225   Do you not see that they traverse in every valley.
26:226   And that what they say, is not what they do!
26:227   Except for those who believe, and do good works, and remember God greatly, and were victorious after they were wronged. As for those who did wrong, they will know which fate they will meet.
353 ... gematrical value for Jafar (جعفر)

--> 353 26(224225226227) = 1859274959222433 x 19
Position 3 (Principle or Rule clarified)
Level 9 (Misconceptions clarified)

Why?
Because you also failed to apply your resonate words of "love, compassion, humility and forgiveness" in your daily life.
Just see your first posting on this thread:

"(I sometimes wondered the Quran author's psyche condition when he penned out that sentence.#pride #mybook #isthebest #nobodycanbeatme #quranpride" and follow by ego statement of Muhammad Ibn Zakariya al-Razi)"

Do you know that this "mocking" statement is a gross sin (as the author of Quran is God himself, AQ 17:88, 2:23-24) and hurting people out-there including me. Do you realise that? AND that's why your name is coded in verse 26:224-227!

Sorry to say this!

Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: shukri on October 16, 2020, 05:04:54 PM
My Summary in replying to Jafar's posts:

1) Verse 17:88 is very true for the people who believe that the Quran is mathematically composed of miracle-19 (AQ 74:30-37). AND the challenge is there for the people in-doubt (AQ 22:3-4)! ...
http://www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/bp2/BeyondProbability_TheKey_AlFatehah.pdf? 
 
2) I'm not resonate with human poetry or philosophy. I just resonate with the Quran, a God's message to human beings. This is the truth and the only truth (74:30-37, 17:88, 2:23-24) to resonate with.

3) Most of the poets or philosophers are liars (26: 224-227) and the proofs are given on Reply #20 and Reply #23.

4) We are God's servant and the God's words (Quran) are the truth forever. Human-made words although seem very fascinating but sometimes just an illusion not applicable in the real world. *Just quotes another example of what "Jesus" says in the bible ... "But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also (Matt 5:39 )". How many people can do it? I can't for sure and the guru "Jesus" also failed (Matt 23:17, Mark 11:15)!

5) The salvation in the hereafter lies in the words of God not in people's fascinating words.

74:30  Over it is nineteen.
74:35  This is one of the great miracles.
74:36  A warning to the human race.
74:37  For those among you who wish to advance, or regress.

--> 74(30+35+36+37) = 74(138) = 3902 x 19
Position 2 (Command used in various situations)
Level 4 (Verses which can be extrapolated)

Ends.
Salam bro Jafar!
So long.   
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: Noon waalqalami on October 17, 2020, 12:45:19 PM
... AND this statement also applies to you.

26:224   And the poets are followed by the strayers.
26:225   Do you not see that they traverse in every valley.
26:226   And that what they say, is not what they do!
26:227   Except for those who believe, and do good works, and remember God greatly, and were victorious after they were wronged. As for those who did wrong, they will know which fate they will meet.
353 ... gematrical value for Jafar (جعفر)

--> 353 26(224225226227) = 1859274959222433 x 19

Peace, you didn't show your work (failed trials) and quoting out of context.

26:221 هل shall انبيكم enlightens you علي upon من who تنزل descend الشيطين the devils
26:222 تنزل descend علي on كل every افاك liar اثيم sinner
26:223 يلقون passing السمع the hearing واكثرهم and more them كاذبون lying
26:224 والشعرا and the poets يتبعهم followed them الغاوون the deviating
26:225 الم did not تر see انهم that they في in كل every واد valley يهيمون wander
26:226 وانهم and indeed they يقولون speaketh being ما what لا not يفعلون fulfilling
26:227 الا except الذين the ones امنوا believes they of وعملوا and work they of الصلحت the righteous وذكروا and remember الله the god كثيرا much of وانتصروا and defends they of من from بعد after ما what ظلموا wrong they of وسيعلم and shall knoweth الذين the ones ظلموا wrong they of اي which منقلب return ينقلبون they turning/returning


530... gematrical value for shukri (شكري‎)
(221 + 222 + 223 + 224 + 225 + 226 + 227) = 1568

https://www.mathsisfun.com/combinatorics/combinations-permutations-calculator.html

Permutations without repetition (n=4  r=3)
Using Items: 530 26 221222223224225226227 1568

List has 24 entries.
26 221222223224225226227 530 = 19 x 13800643275381171171698700

Permutations without repetition (n=4  r=4)
Using Items: 530 26 221222223224225226227 1568

List has 24 entries.
221222223224225226227 26 530 1568 = 19 x 11643274906538169801435015872
221222223224225226227 1568 530 26 = 19 x 11643274906538169801429308054


likewise, chapter/verses man-made, initials not separate verse, 26th chapter was 36th, etc.

https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/26/vers/227?handschrift=222
Sanaa, Dār al-Maḫṭūṭāt: DAM 01-32.1

(https://i.postimg.cc/R037S0h9/ch26v226-227-ch37v0-20.jpg)

The salvation in the hereafter lies in the words of God not in people's fascinating words.

74:30  Over it is nineteen.
74:35  This is one of the great miracles.
74:36  A warning to the human race.
74:37  For those among you who wish to advance, or regress.

--> 74(30+35+36+37) = 74(138) = 3902 x 19

over what (feminine) are nineteen group (masculine) -- was asked of you before?

66:6... عليها alayha/over her/it (f) مليكه malaikatun/controllers (m)
74:30 عليها alayha/over her/it (f) تسعه nonet عشر ten {nineteen (m)}

Masculine تِسْعةَ عَشَرَ   Feminine تِسْعَ عَشْرةَ   Symbol ١٩

read in context, use cross-reference, not about today’s numerology.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Hn74DVfc/ch74v11-31.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/wjB5g48Y/ch74v31-51.jpg)


peace!

Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: shukri on October 17, 2020, 07:35:29 PM
Bro Noon!
Please study the Al-Muzzammil method very carefully before using it. There is a rule to be followed and no permutation at all! These points I already mentioned to you in thread "Is Covid-19 a reminder from God?". Don't waste your time!

About verse 74:30
74:30  Over it is nineteen.
74:31  We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (count) to disturb the disbelievers, to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), to strengthen the faith of the faithful, to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did God mean by this allegory?" God thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.
74:35  This is one of the great (miracles).

Just make it simple:
In verse 74:31 the keyword is wording "number/count". Therefore "the great" in verse 74:35 must be referring to number 19. Also see the digit of the verse 74:35 --> 7+4+3+5 = 19.
No doubt at all!
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: shukri on October 17, 2020, 09:50:58 PM
Bro Noon!

If you still insist that the Quran is not mathematically composed (74:30-37) and the verse 74:35 is not meant for number 19, please produce a sura like al-fatehah which fulfill all the facts (19-denominator) given in this link...
http://www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/bp2/BeyondProbability_TheKey_AlFatehah.pdf?
   
This challenge has been forwarded to you before (in thread "Is Covid-19 a reminder from God") and I'm still waiting for your response! That's a challenge from the Owner of the Quran to you (2:23-24). Proof it now if you are truthful and the case will be closed forever!
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: shukri on October 18, 2020, 02:13:27 AM
Bro Noon,

Miracle-19 (74:30,35) is the incontrovertible evidence that the Quran is from God. Humans can't produce it (17:88) and the challenge is there (2:23-24)!

The purpose of this miracle is given in verse 74:31. There are five categories of peoples:

AQ 74:31 We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number
(1) to disturb the disbelievers (atheists/non ahlul-kitaab),
(2) to convince the Christians and Jews (ahlul-kitaab),
(3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful,
(4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and
(5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did God mean by this allegory/example?" God thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills.
None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.

If you think you are a true follower of the Quran, you should belong to categories (3) and (4) definitely. If not, you without a doubt are in category (5). In fact, miracle-19 will expose the hypocrites as well as the disbelievers. Everybody can self-reflect!

Be careful!
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: Noon waalqalami on October 18, 2020, 11:42:38 PM
Just make it simple:
In verse 74:31 the keyword is wording "number/count". Therefore "the great" in verse 74:35 must be referring to number 19. Also see the digit of the verse 74:35 --> 7+4+3+5 = 19.
No doubt at all!

peace shukri, it's simple nothing to do with numerology read in context.

383 verses digits add up to nineteen and you don't know which to use e.g.

(7+4+8=19) 7:48 ونادي and call out اصحب companions الاعرف the heights
(7+4+8=19) 74:8 فاذا so when of نقر is blown في in الناقور the trumpet
(7+4+2+6=19) 74:26 ساصليه shall I drive him سقر abyss
(7+4+4+4=19) 74:44 ولم and not نك we were نطعم we feed المسكين the poor
(7+4+5+3=19) 74:53 كلا nay indeed بل rather لا not يخفون fearing الاخره the afterlife its

Bro Noon!

If you still insist that the Quran is not mathematically composed (74:30-37) and the verse 74:35 is not meant for number 19, please produce a sura like al-fatehah which fulfill all the facts (19-denominator) given in this link...
http://www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/bp2/BeyondProbability_TheKey_AlFatehah.pdf?
   
This challenge has been forwarded to you before (in thread "Is Covid-19 a reminder from God") and I'm still waiting for your response! That's a challenge from the Owner of the Quran to you (2:23-24). Proof it now if you are truthful and the case will be closed forever!

you want me to flip digits show 1/19 hits, hide 18/19 failures?
here is challenge for you (see code 29 thread) much harder!

No, one can move infinity still get multiples likewise with 9:128-129.
The higher prime number the less likely to be multiple; example Qaf.

Ch      Qaf      19   23   29
1         1      :(   :(   :(
2      553      :(   :(   :(
3      306      :(   :(   :(
4      255      :(   :(   :(
5      265      :(   :(   :(
6      271      :(   :(   :(
7      356      :(   :(   :(
8      109      :(   :(   :(
9      216      :(   :(   :(
10      181      :(   :(   :(
11      180      :(   :(   :(
12      193      :(   :(   :(
13       87      :(   :(   :yes
14       57      :yes   :(   :(
15       83      :(   :(   :(
16      131      :(   :(   :(
17      155      :(   :(   :(
18      151      :(   :(   :(
19       86      :(   :(   :(
20      162      :(   :(   :(
21      105      :(   :(   :(
22       98      :(   :(   :(
23      109      :(   :(   :(
24       61      :(   :(   :(
25       89      :(   :(   :(
26      133      :yes   :(   :(
27      120      :(   :(   :(
29      147      :(   :(   :(
29       92      :(   :yes   :(
30       77      :(   :(   :(
31       31      :(   :(   :(
32       38      :yes   :(   :(
33      111      :(   :(   :(
34       94      :(   :(   :(
35       42      :(   :(   :(
36       72      :(   :(   :(
37       80      :(   :(   :(
38       74      :(   :(   :(
39      115      :(   :yes   :(
40      107      :(   :(   :(
41       81      :(   :(   :(
42       57      :yes   :(   :(
43       84      :(   :(   :(
44       35      :(   :(   :(
45       36      :(   :(   :(
46       73      :(   :(   :(
47       38      :yes   :(   :(
48       47      :(   :(   :(
49       32      :(   :(   :(
50       57      :yes   :(   :(
51       46      :(   :yes   :(
52       28      :(   :(   :(
53       17      :(   :(   :(
54       48      :(   :(   :(
55       22      :(   :(   :(
56       35      :(   :(   :(
57       49      :(   :(   :(
58       27      :(   :(   :(
59       44      :(   :(   :(
60       27      :(   :(   :(
61       19      :yes   :(   :(
62       14      :(   :(   :(
63       23      :(   :yes   :(
64       14      :(   :(   :(
65       28      :(   :(   :(
66       17      :(   :(   :(
67       36      :(   :(   :(
68       21      :(   :(   :(
69       29      :(   :(   :yes 69:1 الحاقه the reality (1+30+8+1+100+5 = 145) or 5 x 29! :yes
70       16      :(   :(   :(
71       21      :(   :(   :(
72       25      :(   :(   :(
73       24      :(   :(   :(
74       25      :(   :(   :(
75       27      :(   :(   :(
76       15      :(   :(   :(
77       18      :(   :(   :(
78       17      :(   :(   :(
79       11      :(   :(   :(
80       13      :(   :(   :(
81         8      :(   :(   :(
82         3      :(   :(   :(
83       13      :(   :(   :(
84       15      :(   :(   :(
85         6      :(   :(   :(
86         9      :(   :(   :(
87         6      :(   :(   :(
88         3      :(   :(   :(
89       10      :(   :(   :(
90       10      :(   :(   :(
91       10      :(   :(   :(
92         5      :(   :(   :(
93         2      :(   :(   :(
94         1      :(   :(   :(
95         3      :(   :(   :(
96         8      :(   :(   :(
97         3      :(   :(   :(
98         4      :(   :(   :(
99         4      :(   :(   :(
100         3      :(   :(   :(
101         4      :(   :(   :(
102         3      :(   :(   :(
103         1      :(   :(   :(
104         1      :(   :(   :(
105         0      :(   :(   :(
106         1      :(   :(   :(
107         0      :(   :(   :(
108         0      :(   :(   :(
109         1      :(   :(   :(
110         0      :(   :(   :(
111         0      :(   :(   :(
112         1      :(   :(   :(
113         6      :(   :(   :(
114         1      :(   :(   :(
               
Total =7034 Qaf in Qur'an

Bro Noon,

Miracle-19 (74:30,35) is the incontrovertible evidence that the Quran is from God. Humans can't produce it (17:88) and the challenge is there (2:23-24)!

The purpose of this miracle is given in verse 74:31. There are five categories of peoples:

AQ 74:31 We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number
(1) to disturb the disbelievers (atheists/non ahlul-kitaab),
(2) to convince the Christians and Jews (ahlul-kitaab),
(3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful,
(4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and
(5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did God mean by this allegory/example?" God thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills.
None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.

If you think you are a true follower of the Quran, you should belong to categories (3) and (4) definitely. If not, you without a doubt are in category (5). In fact, miracle-19 will expose the hypocrites as well as the disbelievers. Everybody can self-reflect!

Be careful!

your assumption/translation is poor -- that every person who doesn't flip digits or is called Jafar is an unbeliever?

74:31 وما and not جعلنا made we of اصحب companions النار the fire الا except مليكه malaikatan/controllers
 وما and not جعلنا made we of عدتهم count theirs الا except فتنه fitnatan/trial للذين for the ones كفروا reject they of
1.   ليستيقن liyastayqina/surely convinced الذين the ones اوتوا given they of الكتب the book
2.   ويزدد wayazdada/and increased الذين the ones امنوا believes they of ايمنا faith of
3.   ولا and not يرتب doubted الذين the ones اوتوا given they of الكتب the book والمومنون and those believing
4.   وليقول and surely speaketh الذين the ones في in قلوبهم hearts theirs مرض illness والكفرون and the rejecting
5.   ماذا what hath اراد intends الله the god بهذا in this مثلا similitude of? (asking why 19 guards over hellfire?)
 كذلك like such يضل misguided الله the god من whom يشا willed ويهدي and guided من whom يشا willed
 وما and not يعلم knoweth جنود junuda/soldiers (# of guards over hellfire) ربك lord your الا except هو he
 وما and not هي it is الا except ذكري reminder للبشر to the mortal


Quote
26:224   And the poets are followed by the strayers.
26:225   Do you not see that they traverse in every valley.
26:226   And that what they say, is not what they do!
26:227   Except for those who believe, and do good works, and remember God greatly, and were victorious after they were wronged. As for those who did wrong, they will know which fate they will meet.
353 ... gematrical value for Jafar (جعفر)

--> 353 26(224225226227) = 1859274959222433 x 19

therefore according to your "Al-Muzzammil method" whatever, every person
called Rashad ( رشاد ) gv = 505 e.g. Rashad Khalifa‎ is disturbed/unbeliever?

--> 505 26 224225226227 = 2659274959222433 x 19  :tempt:



Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: shukri on October 19, 2020, 12:55:17 AM
therefore according to your "Al-Muzzammil method" whatever, every person
called Rashad ( رشاد ) gv = 505 e.g. Rashad Khalifa‎ is disturbed/unbeliever?
--> 505 26 224225226227 = 2659274959222433 x 19  :tempt:

Why did you put Rashad Khalifa as a parameter in your coding?
Rashad is not a poet but he is a God's messenger (if you believe in him). He is the follower of the Quran not a follower of any poetry/philosophy!
Your coding serves no purpose!

Bro Noon,
Please answer straightforward to my question in previous post:
"If you still insist that the Quran is not mathematically composed (74:30-37) and the verse 74:35 is not meant for number 19, please produce a sura like al-fatehah which fulfill all the facts (19-denominator) given in this link...
http://www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/bp2/BeyondProbability_TheKey_AlFatehah.pdf?"

Where is your "miracle" sura?
I want to see it! 
"Talk the talk" is meaningless!
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: shukri on October 19, 2020, 04:34:17 AM
Bro Noon,

Please see the reasons why I take "Jafar'' as a parameter in my coding!

1. He is a man who is in-doubt of verse 17:88 and made a very bad statement on it. So, I want to remind him about the Quran challenge of verse 2:23 as his name specifically coded for the challenge!

I quote my statement on Reply #10:
(Sorry, I respond to you because your "name" in specific is coded in the quran)
Meaning if "Jafar'' name is not coded, I will not respond to his statement!

74:30 Over it is nineteen.
17:88 Say, "If all the humans and all the jinns banded together in order to produce a Quran like this, they could never produce anything like it, no matter how much assistance they lent one another."
2:23 If you have any doubt regarding what we revealed to our servant, then produce one sura like these, and call upon your own witnesses against God, if you are truthful.
353 ... gematrical value for Jafar (جعفر)
--> 353 + (23) + (88) + (30) = 494 = 26 x 19
Position 2: Caution
Level 3: Include Missing Information

2. He is a man who resonates with fascinating poems/philosophy. But the quran says most of these people (gurus or their followers) are liars. Since "Jafar" name is coded, I just want to remind him of the verses 26:224-227. But remember, we do not know in specific which guru/follower in verse 26:224-227 is a believer or not as the verse 26:227 has a clause "except for those who believe, and do good works, and remember God greatly"!

26:224   And the poets are followed by the strayers.
26:225   Do you not see that they traverse in every valley.
26:226   And that what they say, is not what they do!
26:227   Except for those who believe, and do good works, and remember God greatly, and were victorious after they were wronged. As for those who did wrong, they will know which fate they will meet.
353 ... gematrical value for Jafar (جعفر)
--> 353 26(224225226227) = 1859274959222433 x 19
Position 3 (Principle or Rule clarified)
Level 9 (Misconceptions clarified)

Note:
1. I'm a straightforward man
2. If anybody does not believe in my coding, just ignore it!
4. For Jafar, sorry If my words are hurting you! My writings is just to remind you about verse 74:30-37.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: Noon waalqalami on October 19, 2020, 06:43:28 AM
Why did you put Rashad Khalifa as a parameter in your coding?

353 ... gematrical value for Jafar (جعفر)
--> 353 + (23) + (88) + (30) = 494 = 26 x 19

353 ... gematrical value for Jafar (جعفر)
--> 353 26(224225226227) = 1859274959222433 x 19

Where is your "miracle" sura?

505 ... gematrical value for Rashad ( رشاد )
--> 505 + (23) + (88) + (30) = 646 = 34 x 19

505 ... gematrical value for Rashad ( رشاد )
--> 505 26(224225226227) = 2659274959222433 x 19

all you do is post multiples every 361 trials 19 expected.
again, see code 29 thread every 841 trials 29 expected.

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600295.0

peace!

Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: shukri on October 19, 2020, 07:18:57 AM
Bro Noon!

Don't waste your time.
Do your homework!
Show me your amazing sura as great as sura Al-Fatehah
Bro Jafar and Bro Ervin (Thread starter) want to see it  :)
You are an expert in arabic and I suppose you have supercomputer to assist you.
Please make your dream come true!
I'm still waiting  :)

Sorry bro, this is my last post for this thread
Salaam for all!
So long Brother Noon!
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: Noon waalqalami on October 19, 2020, 09:17:10 AM
Bro Noon!

Don't waste your time.
Do your homework!
Show me your amazing sura as great as sura Al-Fatehah
Bro Jafar and Bro Ervin (Thread starter) want to see it  :)
You are an expert in arabic and I suppose you have supercomputer to assist you.
Please make your dream come true!
I'm still waiting  :)

Sorry bro, this is my last post for this thread
Salaam for all!
So long Brother Noon!

allah (الله)    jafar (جعفر)    shukri (شكري‎)    rashad (رشاد)
130305       37080200    3002020010    20030014

peace, not going to do your work for you (17:36)
simply replace allah (الله) go hunting 11, 19, 29, etc.
then report back all failed trials and % hits found?

(https://i.postimg.cc/d1CKN0X1/ch1v1-7.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/ydYx3crR/ch17v35-46.jpg)
Title: Re: Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran
Post by: shukri on October 19, 2020, 08:50:37 PM
For information Only

Sorry, I just want to clarify my statement in my Reply #10
My friend proposed to me to give full detail on it and I agreed.

The code I mentioned there is:

74:30 Over it is nineteen.
17:88 Say, "If all the humans and all the jinns banded together in order to produce a Quran like this, they could never produce anything like it, no matter how much assistance they lent one another."
2:23 If you have any doubt regarding what we revealed to our servant, then produce one sura like these, and call upon your own witnesses against God, if you are truthful.
353 ... gematrical value for Jafar (جعفر)
--> 353 + (23) + (88) + (30) = 494 = 26 x 19
Position 2: Caution
Level 3: Include Missing Information

In fact, when I saw Jafar's post, I just want to stop reading and want to quit this thread.
6:68 If you see those who mock our revelations, you shall avoid them until they delve into another subject. If the devil causes you to forget, then, as soon as you remember, do not sit with such evil people.
But suddenly I mentioned in my heart, if this user name (Jafar) is coded I should reply to his statement.
And it happened precisely, Jafar's name is coded.

Since the position of the code is "Caution" (i.e Position 2), I should add another parameter in it because Position 2 (Caution) means something is missing in the code.

Then I add parameter for myself "Shukri" to perfect the Code and I get:
530 ... gv for Shukri (شكري)
--> 353 530 223 1788 7430 = 1860685385151970 x 19
Position 0: Wild Card
Level 9: Misconceptions clarified

This code means I (gv 530) must reply to Jafar (gv 353) and that is the reason why I said  "Sorry, I respond to you because your "name" in specific is coded in the quran" in Reply #10.

Just for clarification!
Thank you.