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Title: Judaism and Islam same path?
Post by: woke on August 12, 2019, 08:49:15 PM
This post highlights the similarities between Judaism and Islam and what Muslims are asking in Surah Fatiha

https://thequranspeaksforitself.wordpress.com/2019/08/12/8-surah-fatiha-and-jewish-history/
Title: Re: Judaism and Islam same path?
Post by: huruf on August 13, 2019, 12:32:29 AM
The fatiha says what it says not what some may say it means. What the Qur'an means the Qur'an says. Anybody can earn God's anger and anybody can go stray and yes, as the final comment on the link says: the "Muslims" have done both things, a number of them, and I guess the same with any other label int he world past or present. nd I would also agree that even in the way "Muslims" have gone stray and attracted God's anger and that of Jews, there are many similarities, which is not surprising since the "Muslims" have imported plenty from certain "Judaist" ways.

May Gd bless all sincere believers.

Salaam   
Title: Re: Judaism and Islam same path?
Post by: Jafar on August 14, 2019, 09:02:41 AM
The same recipe and ingredients will produce the same dish.
Regardless of who the cook is.

That's why I do recommend Muslim (with capital M) to read the Gospel, especially Matt, Mark and Luke.
All of the hypocrisy shown by Judaist Rabbis as told in the Gospel can easily be found within today's Islamic clerics and kingdoms.

The Gospels can also be a good guide on how to act against such situation and also be prepared of the 'risk' of facing against such hypocrisy. (Death Threat, False Accusation, Torture and Murder)
Title: Re: Judaism and Islam same path?
Post by: woke on August 17, 2019, 06:00:01 AM
Yes Muslims should also study the Gospels and the history of Christianity it also involves Jewish history and geopolitical influence
Title: Re: Judaism and Islam same path?
Post by: quincy on August 22, 2019, 10:47:08 AM
But still, since the romans destroyed the 2nd Jerusalem (the 2nd Jerusalem which can also be called new Jerusalem, after the Israelites returned from babylonian exile they established their state NOT in the original place of the promised land which is most probably located in Yemen - i strongly go along with Kamal Salibis theory which has more evidence then todays euro-centric narration) the Romans wrote History. Even if you read Flavius Jospehus' chroniks of the war or Pauls letters, they were all Romes agents. Christianity is a greco-roman religion, institutionalized by the Flavians - far away from the abrahamic truth based philosophy. A very pro-roman/byzantium religion which ignited anti.semitism because of the crucifixion doctrine. Its just absurd if you start to seriously observe christianity. A religion which is the most deceitful of em all - also produced such satanic orders like the Jesuits.

Judaism also became very dogmatic or ultra politicized zionist/freemasonic (doing anything possible to establish a western state in the orient mainly for wars, the money it makes and blood sacrifice, those wikced psychopaths who rule all those institutions are anything else but meek, they took the dark manifestation as their god - including financing the nazis to force european Jews to move to the desert or false flag attacks like 911 to justify their aggression on neighbor states) even though the majority of the Jews are not originated from the ancient Judea. Its all a scam. Even Islam as religion. Any sect of it is full of lies. To divide us.

Still there is Truth in the scriptures - but also deceitful propaganda. If you follow any of these religions - they will probably guide you to anything else then to the gardens beneath which rivers flow.
Title: Re: Judaism and Islam same path?
Post by: Jafar on September 17, 2019, 09:00:36 PM
But still, since the romans destroyed the 2nd Jerusalem (the 2nd Jerusalem which can also be called new Jerusalem, after the Israelites returned from babylonian exile they established their state NOT in the original place of the promised land which is most probably located in Yemen - i strongly go along with Kamal Salibis theory which has more evidence then todays euro-centric narration) the Romans wrote History. Even if you read Flavius Jospehus' chroniks of the war or Pauls letters, they were all Romes agents.

The entire conception of "Promised Land" by itself is ridiculous, basically God made a real estate deal with a group of so-called colonialist "chosen" people just because they're descendants of a dude who are willing to murder his own son for his God. The real estate deal is signed with a mark on their penises.

The mark on their penises earn them the rights to own the so-called 'promised' land by sacrificing the aboriginal natives of their rights of stay, the true natives that is (Canaanites, Edomites, Philitistines) and not the 21st century Arabs / Palestinians (which mostly also has the same marks on their penises).

Thus any other concepts / dogma / ideology that stands above it are false by itself.

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Judaism also became very dogmatic or ultra politicized zionist/freemasonic

The dogmatic Judaism act as foundation role model for other dogmatic religions as it's evolved through time, namely Christianity and Islam.

Judaism was and is in conflict with Jewish Nationalist ideology named Zionism, in the same manner as Islam was and is in conflict with Arab Nationalist ideology. The zionist is not interested in founding a state based on religion named Judaism, yet they adopted the claim of land originally in Judaism as it serve their interest.

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Still there is Truth in the scriptures - but also deceitful propaganda. If you follow any of these religions - they will probably guide you to anything else then to the gardens beneath which rivers flow.

Agree, the scriptures titled Tanakh, Bible and Quran contain both truth and deceitfully ridiculous propaganda.
Title: Re: Judaism and Islam same path?
Post by: quincy on September 18, 2019, 04:48:01 AM
You are looking at it from a leftist mindset - there is nothing wrong with an ideology based on nationalism if it includes other ethnicities, in fact its a very strong sociological concept which holds people together. A nation can be multiethnical, which shares the same culture. I also didn't include the Qur'an into the previous scriptures.

Thats why such empires like the ancient Mongolia, Macedonia, Persia, Rome or the arabian Kalifate accomplished such outstanding campaigns. It was the national spirit combined with spirituality. All of them had a strong faith into their nation and their interpretation of GOD. Today the only nation which represent those is Russia - even though there are a lot of moles on the ruling seats.

Thats why the modern godless western civilization destroys such ideologies. They want one small number of "elite" ruling over the masses. And this is accomplished when you first of all destroy each individuals soul - capitalism and pop culture does this extremely good. Combine this with communism and you have a totalitarian rule over the masses. There is a big difference of ruling over and ruling with. You create something FOR the people and not against them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLODGhEyLvk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLODGhEyLvk)
Title: Re: Judaism and Islam same path?
Post by: Jafar on September 19, 2019, 01:16:29 AM
You are looking at it from a leftist mindset - there is nothing wrong with an ideology based on nationalism if it includes other ethnicities, in fact its a very strong sociological concept which holds people together. A nation can be multiethnical, which shares the same culture. I also didn't include the Qur'an into the previous scriptures.

There is something TERRIBLY WRONG on any ideology/religion/ideas which based on WE are above THEM.

What classify as among US/WE and what classify as among THEM varies.. it can be based on lineage / descendant (Judaism,Zionism), Set of belief / tenets(Catholicism, Islamism), Vague definition of race / physical feature (White superiority, Nazi's Arianism), national identity (Facism, Nationalism, Japan Imperialism), language (Arab Nationalism), favorite football club (Hooliganism) and many others

When "Uber Alles" attitude sprung up, injustice shall follows.. it has been a common pattern throughout human history.

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Thats why such empires like the ancient Mongolia, Macedonia, Persia, Rome or the arabian Kalifate accomplished such outstanding campaigns.

I'm not a fans of massive invasion as performed by Genghis Khan, Alexander, Roman Emperors or Arabian Caliphate. It's just yet another example of Uber Alles attitude which I've mentioned above.

I'm somewhat amazed by the invasion as performed by Cyrus, it's among the first empire in history which laid out the foundation stone of Secularism and equal human rights for all citizens.

Title: Re: Judaism and Islam same path?
Post by: quincy on September 19, 2019, 04:23:23 AM
It is how it is - history showed us that you either dominate or get dominated. The other thing is whether your ambitions are righteous/based on justice for humanity, the animals and earth or for the exploitation of the earth, humans and animals for owns morbid/abyssal greed and wickedness.
Title: Re: Judaism and Islam same path?
Post by: amin on September 19, 2019, 10:27:29 PM
It is how it is - history showed us that you either dominate or get dominated. The other thing is whether your ambitions are righteous/based on justice for humanity, the animals and earth or for the exploitation of the earth, humans and animals for owns morbid/abyssal greed and wickedness.

Relationship work out based on mutual benefit, even the king depends on the commoners and vice versa.
about the topic,

A  lot of similarities exists even between mainstream Islamic principals and other religions even with polytheistic religions, Quran accepts all previous prophets and their blessed status, it brings in concept of the qibla of Haram(being pure in thoughts and actions) which is being followed by so many other polytheistic sects in their pilgrimage, fasting and prayers,  its not so isolated as its being portrayed commonly in the current media and  some so called preachers bringing in hate filled ideologies with empty pride of 'Iam High and more blessed than you' just for being associating them self to a group/sect, which is completely not Islamic. Does a person become a muslim just for getting himself associated with a group, or saying some words or following some rituals, never.

Quran messages should be seen as medicines to cure the diseases Mohammed encountered in his society, we definitely need to see the situations and the environment that those are applied upon then  and take only the principles as how the same can be applied on us now rather than simply copying it blindly.

Title: Re: Judaism and Islam same path?
Post by: Jafar on September 20, 2019, 04:20:31 AM
It is how it is - history showed us that you either dominate or get dominated.

That is the view of Temujin a.k.a Genghis Khan.
Murder or be murdered, invade or be invaded, crush or get crushed.

“The greatest happiness is to vanquish your enemies, to chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth, to see those dear to them bathed in tears, to clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.”
― Genghis Khan

Next question will be how he developed such view?
Temujin was born in a very dangerous environment, Tribal war and brutality is a common thing. Little Temujin witnessed his own dad being butchered, mom being raped while he was still a child. His life experience teached him that in order to survive (in such harsh environment) you need to be the ultimate brutality.

Again I'm not a fan of such world view...






Title: Re: Judaism and Islam same path?
Post by: quincy on September 21, 2019, 02:37:03 AM
"I am the punishment of God...If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you."

- Temujin the great chief

Someone like Temujin will appear till the end of times in our realm. Until people will learn to be kind to each other. He was also a very spiritual person who prohibited lying, respected other faiths and made anything possible to make his people happy. He established such peace in his realm that a young virgin with a bag full of gold could walk without being molested. What "barbarians" they were... hm? Look at all those tyrannical systems which were established during his invasions. Europe was completely oppressed by the church as well as the abassid empire oppressed their people with a made up shariah. The Scythian tribes raided their neighbors as usual and even started to establish another Khaganate on the basis of the Khazars.
Title: Re: Judaism and Islam same path?
Post by: imrankhawaja on September 21, 2019, 05:03:46 AM
Temujin a.k.a Genghis Khan & HITLER worked in a same way,

heroes and angels of benefit for some of them...
punishment and angels of death for some of them...

Hitler marked the end of British empire.

Temujin marked the end of religious slavery.. ( one of his troops destroyed the fake paradise in current day IRAN ) that paradise having exact services of paradise whats presented in QURAN, that paradise is reserved for the holidays to the brave soilders who killed people on the instructions of religious mafia.. perfect example of what goes around comes around


Title: Re: Judaism and Islam same path?
Post by: Jafar on September 24, 2019, 08:42:29 AM
"I am the punishment of God...If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you."

- Temujin the great chief

Someone like Temujin will appear till the end of times in our realm. Until people will learn to be kind to each other.

Since everything that has happened in the past is all 100% in accordance to God's plan. Then yes, perhaps Temujin is shaped to be such brutal character as a 'punishment' to other brutal characters.

Yet definitely Temujin is NOT the character who STOPPED the circle of brutality.

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He was also a very spiritual person who prohibited lying, respected other faiths and made anything possible to make his people happy. He established such peace in his realm that a young virgin with a bag full of gold could walk without being molested. What "barbarians" they were... hm?

Just few example of what Temujin did during his life.
- Murdering his own brother while he was 14
- Sacrificing the life of his own followers to win a battle.
- Killing his own blood-brother turned rivals named Jamukha
- Torturing his rivals by boiling them to death.
(https://waldotomosky.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/boiling-enemies.jpg)
- Mass murder of Chinese populace (approx. 1 million deaths)
- Massacre of Samarkand (approx. 10,000 deaths)

Not my favorite character, definitely...

But again you're correct if you're highlighting that no human is 100% evil, there are some good in Temujin. His love for his wife, his acceptance of Jochi as his own son (although Jochi was born from the seed of other man who kidnapped and raped Temujin's wife), his appraisal to talented people among his enemy (the chinese artisans and generals), his conception of meritocracy.

And you will also find some good aspect in Hitler, Stalin, Moshe Dayan, Ibn Saud.

Yet it's not an excuse for the brutality...


Title: Re: Judaism and Islam same path?
Post by: quincy on September 25, 2019, 01:19:32 AM
At least he didn't fucked and sacrificed children after drinking their adrenochrome.

And I'm not telling that he was a pure and good being - of course not. He was a product of his time, either wise he would never achieve such conquest. You cant dominate evil with kindness... and sometimes you need such fearful reputation to make a psychological impact on your enemies. The other thing is that there are a lot of lies regarding him mostly coming from his enemies. I mean you still have that phrase like "you mongo". After gaining independence after the mongol-tatar empire all those who were under their rule started to write down their version about the mongols which doesnt necessarily have to be true - isn't that obvious? Especially when it comes from such tribes like the Alans or other scythian/sarmatian tribes - who were far worse when it comes to perversity and brutality like Attila and the Huns.