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Title: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: quincy on June 29, 2019, 04:13:27 AM
Peace!

This is something for people who want to understand the Qur'an (Truth) based philosophy of GOD's nature and the importance of Jibril - as he and Iblis are standing in direct opposition which also represents the dualistic paradoxon of our reality. Jibril is in his nature a Jinn(Seraphim) who was given the rank of a Cherubim - an intellectual like Iblis who also represents our Logic - the LOGOS. In hebrew he and Iblis would be called Seraphim which means the burning one - as we know that Jinn are made of smokeless fire.

Now when Iblis rebelled and showed pride, arrogance and even supremacy his rank as a Cherub was revoked and most likely he was replaced with Gabriel. So GOD and the Cherubim separated themselves from him as he would harm the divine order of being. Iblis now represents all that is Evil in nature and which must be avoided. GOD is beyond Good and Evil - GOD is the infinite consciousness which was not created, which existed and will exist for ever and ever. The Creator, The Source, The Eternal.

Why I'm telling this? Because of bogus philosophies of the Freemasons, Jews and even Christians themselves. GOD is ONE. And GOD is beyond Good and Evil.
Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: quincy on July 01, 2019, 01:17:24 AM
Similarities can be seen in other believe systems like Hinduism, Buddhism or Zoroastrianism and post modern psychology, because its simply inscribed in our psyche - so the monotheistic abrahamic believe systems are bringing nothing new. The quranic doctrine is monotheism - worshipping the creator and try to be a good angelic being like Jibril, Mikail or Israphil and avoiding the destructive Ego (morbid narcissism/destroys others, nature and the self to feed owns abysmal appetite) wich corresponds to Iblis or Shiva. Jibril would be Vishnu. Same concepts we have in Buddhism - wrathful spirits / peaceful spirits -> Gnosticism = Archons (positive and negative - same concept of Jinn).

You can see the influence of Zoroastrianism, especially in the Tariqas - majority of Tariqas were founded by Persian saints. Most of them teach the control of our own thoughts - > controlling thoughts is extremly important as your thoughts are the roots of your Self which influences your body through your chemical reactions (i managed to control my thoughts by praying to GOD for help). If your Ego serves the Most High - nothing can stand in your way. Keep in mind that we are the micro of the macro.
Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: amin on July 01, 2019, 04:47:57 AM
in Hinduism Shiva, comes from a different concept, and could not be compared with Iblis, the primordial consciousness itself is considered as Siva, he is seen as a transformer/cosmic dancer/starter of the creation and not often likened with human forms unlike Vishnu, who has avatars in this world and can be likened to the prophets/Jesus. Siva and Vishnu are two different alien concepts united into one religion in modern times. Siva is often visualized through destruction's. From Siva comes her partner Shakthi/Enegry(mother) who is seen as the source of creations like earth and its goodness like rain etc and there are the sons who are visualized as knowledge and strength. here we can see an evolution of visualizing god, In ancient times people as per their requirement tried to worship a form of Gods/Ilahas and later as they see the cause comes into cycle and with different cultures comes into contact with each other the smaller gods unite into one, people realizing  the cause of everything to be linked and could be from primordial one God. Thus son gods can infact be older and more ancient than the father figures.

The concept of iblis i think is more of a buddhist concept, where they see Mara a demon to misguide humans/Buddha to attain motcha and escape from rebirth and theres a lot of give and take between multiple religions and cultures.


Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: Cerberus on July 01, 2019, 04:55:25 AM
In more concrete and practical terms, the body (our senses) create a certain kind of impression to us and tempt us to react in a specific way. That is what was personified into a demon (daemon) or "satan" by ancient people. This personification of our body's impulses into an evil daemon that seeks to lead people astray is alright knowing the lack of resources and the level of reasoning they had. But these two elements have evolved over the years (and it's been a thousand years now) and I think it is ridiculous and naive to only use the thousand years old information and not use your current abilities and available ressources to find detailed information about the matter.

Part of us is animal, part of us is not. One is enslaving, the other one is freeing.

The sheeps of this world are mostly "animals". Hedonists seeking to find pleasure in the world and avoid pain. And to maintain this state of pleasure. And how can you maintain a state of pleasure ? All it takes to ruin someone's state of pleasure is few words. Which is why nowadays we are seeing the creation of "safe spaces" in the west. When you utter a word that such people disagree with, you are not just expressing disagreement, you are actually ruining their scheme of life which consist of sustaining a pleasurable state of existing. So the overreacting response and the outrage and what not is understandable.

There is also the religious sheeps, those who heard about a deity to whom they can pray for more pleasure and benefits in their life, good health, longevity, safety, prosperity, sexual fulfillment, children.....And gain emotional comfort and get rid of fear of death.

For the hedonist, the quality of one's life is determined by how much emotionally fulfilled one is. The quantity of pleasure. For those who cannot find pleasure in the rest of the world, those are unfortunate. The hedonist thinks life is unfair. It's not. Pain and pleasure are two faces of the same coin. Unexpressed hate is painful and expressed hate is pleasurable. Unexpressed lust is painful and expressed lust is pleasurable. This course of action (from unexpressed to expressed)  that is forced on people is intentional. And it is enslaving and it completely kills one's existence (which consists of the "free" will). You become the animal in you and you will do what animals do, to only be moved by emotions. And slightly smarter people will manipulate you with their emotionally charged discourse and you will join movements and embrace a self-fulfilling cause.

Their only principal is: "if it makes you happy, I don't see no problem with it". And we can witness nowadays how the bar is being pushed and self-fulfilling things are being justified and made into laws, and made popular through so called "influencers": musicians, actors and so on....

Everything can be broken down reasonably.
No conspiracy theories needed.

But like a wise man once said, waste no more time arguing what a good man should be......be one!
Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: quincy on July 01, 2019, 12:26:15 PM
I agree with the most you wrote but i have doubts regarding your faithfulness while reading through your posts. (if im wrong then im sorry)

You know that GOD hears the calls of tormented souls and helps them, when your cry is sincere - when you repent? I don't believe that GOD exists, i know that GOD exists.  And GOD has no religion - and i worship only the originator of the heavens and earth. This is my experience - i hope you will experience GOD as well, brother.
Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: quincy on July 03, 2019, 03:07:30 AM
@amin: which tradition are you referring to? there are more traditions in hinduism and buddhism then in any other believe systems... there are even non brahmanists who discredit the worship of the ultimate source... sounds very strange - modern luciferian philosophy did indeed influence even the eastern philosphies.

interestingly enough, other word for dhushara was the pale dancer - what is the qur'ans stance of worshipping female deities (al-lat, al-uzza and manat)? the central "god" in the pre-qur'anic society was dhushara.

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Hindu modernism

Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan sought to reconcile western rationalism with Hinduism, "presenting Hinduism as an essentially rationalistic and humanistic religious experience".

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism

So to be clear - modern Hinduism is pure rationalistic like their colonizers... and not transcendental.
Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: quincy on July 03, 2019, 07:34:22 AM
you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?

know that phrase? i wonder where its coming from...  ;)

Dhushara was basically a "god" of hedonism. Reminds me of todays techno/trance rave clubs full with synthetics like ecstasy and club names like "Ego" or "Moloch"  ;D

Here is a new ager on the basis of shivanism. If you consider hyperventilation as the release of DMT - you misunderstood something completely. I know those kind of people and i know the luciferian doctrine which is linked to such kind of teachings like "Kundalini"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHyRsexBiM8  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHyRsexBiM8)

Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: amin on July 03, 2019, 07:49:14 PM
@amin: which tradition are you referring to? there are more traditions in hinduism and buddhism then in any other believe systems... there are even non brahmanists who discredit the worship of the ultimate source... sounds very strange - modern luciferian philosophy did indeed influence even the eastern philosphies.

interestingly enough, other word for dhushara was the pale dancer - what is the qur'ans stance of worshipping female deities (al-lat, al-uzza and manat)? the central "god" in the pre-qur'anic society was dhushara.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism

So to be clear - modern Hinduism is pure rationalistic like their colonizers... and not transcendental.

I live in South India and i speak with my experience. Yes Hindu culture is vast, good and bad exists as in others, may be there are some strange customs that often get highlighted outside,  but the main thing i like is the cultural goodness that gets preserved through customs and rituals and its not uniform, its diverse with location, occupation and other factors, But from Islam i feel an alien culture gets forcefully pushed onto the people, the way to dress, fast pray pilgrimage etc..in the name of, one God?


you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?

know that phrase? i wonder where its coming from...  ;)

Dhushara was basically a "god" of hedonism. Reminds me of todays techno/trance rave clubs full with synthetics like ecstasy and club names like "Ego" or "Moloch"  ;D

Here is a new ager on the basis of shivanism. If you consider hyperventilation as the release of DMT - you misunderstood something completely. I know those kind of people and i know the luciferian doctrine which is linked to such kind of teachings like "Kundalini"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHyRsexBiM8  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHyRsexBiM8)


About the video, i dont like these new age yoga nonsense and the business surrounding it, these are new age inventions and not even 1% of people follow or know these. Here religion comes from nature and the gods that give what one need, the needs decide the customs and rituals and thats the beauty .

yes we could also see a lot of superstitions in the name of thousands of gods and in these some gets cheated by so called godmens and strongmen knowingly and unknowingly, some of these crooks gets punished and some escape in the name of religion, but these are minority ignorant and nothing is forced upon from the authority.


My point is even here and many thousand years back, people has the idea about one God and they call it Siva or whatever, hundreds of poems and multiple stories and cultural myths defines it, people long back  realized all those belong to the same. But still the cultural rituals and its needs are diverse, ie the worshiping way of the goodness source they get from is diverse and that we call as pagan or polytheism etc. But what i think is polytheism/mushriek comes only when one say 'my god and your god is different and i have a special god that favors only me my family or my society and only my way of living.'.

 If some fishermen has some special ritual and prayer 'oh my sea mother, protect me etc..', and if a farmer praises the rain mother and has some festival or ritual and the beauty is when people realizing that both belongs to the same one source instead of fighting who is bigger or right and that i think is Abraham's realization, that doesnt stop one other from facing their own Qibla and thats Islam.
Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: quincy on July 04, 2019, 04:44:45 AM
Personally, im very fascinated with India. I only think that the colonization of the western forces (or in particular the Jesuits) did more harm to the society then the forceful spread of "Islam" which indeed was anti-qur'anic. Some of Indians say that they brought education... but all it was is miseducation to force their deceitful cosmology in the name of science. The Indians were one of the most Intelligent people in the ancient world, it was actually them who educated others back then, the arabs learned a lot from you - even if they dont want to admit that. Till the arrogancy of the west enforced their civilization on others. Some here in the west are proud of that and are justifying it with: "when we moved out they became barbarians again". What they dont realize is that their interference is causing that - you just simply cant change people who are living in another climate, under other star constellations to be like yourself. Im just baffled with this arrogancy which is still present today in europe= middle and north america- new zealand australia.

During the 2nd Reich, Otto von Bismarck was against such kind of colonializm (read his book and not those anti-german lies you see in this bogus media which transformed Germans into suckers). It seems that we Germans were the most reasonable europeans back then. And now we are flooded with completely different people - this colonializm in combination with the modern monitary system backfired terribly. The whore Babylon aka the west is falling very soon.

6:108    And do not insult those who call on other than God, lest they insult God out of ignorance. And We have similarly adorned for every nation their works; then to their Lord is their return and He will inform them of what they had done.
Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: amin on July 08, 2019, 10:34:38 PM
Personally, im very fascinated with India. I only think that the colonization of the western forces (or in particular the Jesuits) did more harm to the society then the forceful spread of "Islam" which indeed was anti-qur'anic. Some of Indians say that they brought education... but all it was is miseducation to force their deceitful cosmology in the name of science. The Indians were one of the most Intelligent people in the ancient world, it was actually them who educated others back then, the arabs learned a lot from you - even if they dont want to admit that. Till the arrogancy of the west enforced their civilization on others. Some here in the west are proud of that and are justifying it with: "when we moved out they became barbarians again". What they dont realize is that their interference is causing that - you just simply cant change people who are living in another climate, under other star constellations to be like yourself. Im just baffled with this arrogancy which is still present today in europe= middle and north america- new zealand australia.

During the 2nd Reich, Otto von Bismarck was against such kind of colonializm (read his book and not those anti-german lies you see in this bogus media which transformed Germans into suckers). It seems that we Germans were the most reasonable europeans back then. And now we are flooded with completely different people - this colonializm in combination with the modern monitary system backfired terribly. The whore Babylon aka the west is falling very soon.

6:108    And do not insult those who call on other than God, lest they insult God out of ignorance. And We have similarly adorned for every nation their works; then to their Lord is their return and He will inform them of what they had done.

Yes  :bravo:, the environment only teaches everyone a lot, everything is from Him.
Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: Jafar on October 12, 2019, 09:13:21 PM
Peace!

This is something for people who want to understand the Qur'an (Truth) based philosophy of GOD's nature and the importance of Jibril - as he and Iblis are standing in direct opposition which also represents the dualistic paradoxon of our reality. Jibril is in his nature a Jinn(Seraphim) who was given the rank of a Cherubim - an intellectual like Iblis who also represents our Logic - the LOGOS. In hebrew he and Iblis would be called Seraphim which means the burning one - as we know that Jinn are made of smokeless fire.

Angels vs Demons, Mikael / Gabriel et. al. vs Iblis et. al.
This logically still make sense and I'm trying to dig more information regarding this.

Lately I have met and discussed with few people who were born with a capability to see, hear and interact with "Astral beings", or in arabic term "Djinn / Genie". Nowadays there's a trending labeling for them called "Indigo folks". Other people sees them as either 'crazy' or 'delusional' as others cannot see what they see and cannot hear what they hear, even their own family. Many of them were having trouble growing up, their family member tries to 'fix' their troubled child, psychiatric session, up to 'exorcism' session and for them all of it doesn't work, they still can see, hear things which other people cannot see. Until they just need to accept all of it as 'normality'.

So far here's the summary of my findings on astral beings based on discussion with them.
- Astral beings / Genie exist, they're all around us sharing this earth (and not totally other dimension or world), the same time and space context. Thus when let's say this earth is destroyed so does their living space as well.
- Not all astral beings are evil, just like human some of them are good / kind and some of them are evil.
- They are sentient and have emotion and feelings (happy, sad, angry, at peace, love, hate etc..)
- There are many species of astral beings, just like there are many species of beings on earth, every location has their own specific species. And just like human or few other animals, they seem to be territorial as well.
- They don't eat or drinks somehow they consume their energy from "aura" of other living beings, including human, animals and plants. Aura is a kind of "Bio-electro-magnetical" force that exist in all living beings. Some astral species are known to be able to consume energy from electricity as well.
- There seems to be 'rank' among them, the rank are based on the strength of their 'aura', those who has higher aura usually act as the leader of their group.
- Human, on average have higher 'aura' strength than they are, since aura strength are related to emotion, human has the lowest aura strength when they're in fear, stressed or angry and have highest aura strength when they're calm and at peace (meditative state). That's why the astral beings loved human who are in 'fear' state and afraid of human who are in calm and peace state.
- A fight / battle between human and astral beings are possible, this 'battle' is actually a battle between aura of human and the aura of astral beings. Thus human can also do harm to them...
- They seem to be able to change their perceived form, they can make themselves visible to normal human eye or ear with their perceived form, but such action requires so much aura energy and can drain their energy. Thus very rarely they do that as such act is 'painful' for them as well.
- They can (very briefly) 'enter' and takeover a limited action of human body, the phenomena commonly called as "being possessed", this act drain so much of their energy, and it requires a 'blessing' from the human as well. If the human 'resisted' then it will be more difficult for them as they need to 'battle' the human aura shield before being able to do so. And as mentioned above, on average human has higher aura strength than they are. If they forced their way in to the human body, the human usually can sense this 'battle' as either hot feelings or headache.
- Some "indigo folks" are capable of 'letting them in' to their body (to speak or hear) without losing totally control over their physical body and also be fully aware of what's being said. It's like limited loan of their body to be used by the astral being to speak while still able to control and can make the astral being to leave their body at will. And I've personally watched this process as well..
- You don't need to be afraid, as mentioned above, human aura strength are generally more powerful than they are, especially if the human is calm and at peace. If you experienced some 'haunting' from them, be brave and be calm, because when you're afraid your aura strength will actually be weaker.

These astral beings seems to be in different 'frequency' than 'Angels', none of the Indigo folks that I've met are capable or have experience of seeing / interacting with angels. And so far I haven't met anyone with capability to see / interact with Angels. I only heard a woman in Ireland named Lorna Byrne who claimed that she's capable to see / interact with angels. I never met her or have a chance to discuss things with her, so far based on her interview and books she seems to be gifted with capability to see / interact with angels but she don't have the capability to see 'astral beings'. Thus as of now I presumed Astral beings/Genie and Angels are two totally different creatures.

Please speak up, if anyone have similar experience with astral beings and/or angels, or possessed similar capability of those indigo folks, as I'm currently interested in this topic.


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Now when Iblis rebelled and showed pride, arrogance and even supremacy his rank as a Cherub was revoked and most likely he was replaced with Gabriel. So GOD and the Cherubim separated themselves from him as he would harm the divine order of being. Iblis now represents all that is Evil in nature and which must be avoided. GOD is beyond Good and Evil - GOD is the infinite consciousness which was not created, which existed and will exist for ever and ever. The Creator, The Source, The Eternal.

If this 'rebellion' did occur, then logically it's between this Iblis vs Mikael/Gabriel et.al. A battle between angels... and not God vs Iblis. Because it's illogical for God to have enemies, especially when His enemies are infact His own creatures..
Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: imrankhawaja on October 13, 2019, 03:01:46 AM

Please speak up, if anyone have similar experience with astral beings and/or angels, or possessed similar capability of those indigo folks, as I'm currently interested in this topic.


I also like this topic, and also i never missed a chance to gain and experience more knowledge regarding the invisible beings some popular names what human used for them  are..

JINN/DJINN
MOKIL
DEMON
ALIEN
GHOST
sometimes MERMAID in case of christoper columbus.
DEVILS


SUPER-NATURAL beings witnessed by all religions/nations/people from past till present and also in the folk stories. although very few can tell the eye witness things related with those beings and most of the times the tales are false or if its true people take it as false/hoax.

My first EXPERIENCE..
I find a human communicating with another being , I and my 2 Aunts cant hear or saw anything at all..

he writes something in the paper and said to me open it in a while before you tell what problem bring you here. and he was writting on the paper when he was communicating with that being sometimes he get angry at that being and speak loudly.anyway when he finished the writing and hand over that paper to me.and ask me to explain him what bring me here.

i explained him and then i open that paper and i find myself shocked when i read all what i ve just explained to him. i was still curious and once again  i took some of my frds with me they also get shocked before that they were making fun of me and that person in our way to reach his village.. :rotfl: the one who was saying lot of things he sorted him out nicely and after that he get dumbfounded... :rotfl:

anyway that was my first experience of thinking on a different level about those beings it happened with me in 2005.

BLUE i dnt know he got an ability to communicate with those beings or not, but he have nice information and material on invisible BEINGS his name is member TRUTHSEEKER a very friendly person u may ask him in PM if you are interested.

If this 'rebellion' did occur, then logically it's between this Iblis vs Mikael/Gabriel et.al. A battle between angels... and not God vs Iblis. Because it's illogical for God to have enemies, especially when His enemies are infact His own creatures..

TRUE,

thats why its a confusion between the nature of satan either hes jinny or angel and who was responsible for the rebellion what make him disqualified from the status he was having according to abrahamic scriptures.

and also when some structures/books/places influenced us with their super-human nature we directly refer it to the creator/God.

perhaps its a co work of angels vs jinns..what make human divide in nations and opinions.

A category/quality = angel based materiel and information..
B category/quality= jinns based material and information..

the experts in human who got natural ability to communicate with angels produce a material later another being who got a natural ability to communicate with jinn produce another material ..

now both categories/qualites A & B impressed humans and do a magic like affect on them..

with the passage of time categories get more mixed with human minds for the political reasons. what we know as corruption. bukhari and co is example of human corruption.

this topic is also so deep required another separate THREAD to deal and weigh the things and possible reason the angels are more powerful than jinns and got a upper hand and they are also responsible to preserve something if they want it to preserve..

so may b some structures/books/places are in a (watch-list/guarding) of those beings and the original imprints in their native is still preserved in their actual quality/category what we know as A.

further proved everything is from creation. (human,jinns,angels) .

CREATOR is way more mysterious than we can even think.
Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: jkhan on October 13, 2019, 04:01:17 AM
Peace brother Jafer
Proof for battle between angels?  Or conjecture?
Great argument between Iblees and Allah.. It has proof...
Aren't Mikael and Jibreal and Angels innocent of what iblees did? While they never had any feud with iblees...
Has Allah called iblees to be His enemy?.. I couldn't find... if there is any verse I missed..let me know ..
But iblees and his decendants / satan are our enemies... 35:6 and 18:50 and disbelievers are enemy of God 8:60

What you try to prove Jafar pls...?
Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: quincy on October 13, 2019, 11:27:30 AM
Please speak up, if anyone have similar experience with astral beings and/or angels, or possessed similar capability of those indigo folks, as I'm currently interested in this topic.

I usually dont speak about this, especially not in the "civilized" world but some years ago as i still was in university i diagnosed myself with schizophrenia - at that time i was a convinced atheist. Through my extreme depression and anxiety i was in a constant low vibrational state through which those negative astral beings started to create a fake world for me - i heard voices and it went so far that they started to pull on my arms and legs... (im not kidding). I refused to take medications and at some point i repented and  i started to regain my mental strength through God. After that i visited my Grandmother and some other relatives from my maternal line. I realized that my maternal line has some kind of a curse and that those Jinn/astral beings had a lot of influence over them. Now i somehow can see some sort of veils while i pray or meditate - sometimes at night i have very strong visions. After i started to gain knowledge about spiritualism and the cosmic energies - especially after reading and understanding the Qur'an and other scriptures and praying and meditating through which i could recognize the illusions created by the controllers of this world, the visions were intensified. I also feel when im in a pure state or not. Somehow also can sense positive and negative energies. But i never encountered some kind of astral beings during my serotonin phase - i dont even think that its possible when you are in the normal state of consciousness.

There is also evidence that some governmental agencies tried to control those entities and use them as some kind of a psychological/astral weapon. Research montauk project.
Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: Jafar on October 29, 2019, 10:28:58 PM
BLUE i dnt know he got an ability to communicate with those beings or not, but he have nice information and material on invisible BEINGS his name is member TRUTHSEEKER a very friendly person u may ask him in PM if you are interested.

Yes TruthSeeker has pmed me it's unfortunate that he's too "shy" or should I say "reluctant" to share what he knows on this forum.

Perhaps due to judgemental and close minded nature of people in this forum??

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CREATOR is way more mysterious than we can even think.

Nobody can really know the CREATOR except the CREATOR Him/Itself, but we can deduce what is NOT the CREATOR.

The idea that the CREATOR having  an enemy or involved in a political conflict / war with one of His / It's own creation is ridiculous...


Through my extreme depression and anxiety i was in a constant low vibrational state through which those negative astral beings started to create a fake world for me - i heard voices and it went so far that they started to pull on my arms and legs... (im not kidding). I refused to take medications and at some point i repented and  i started to regain my mental strength through God. After that i visited my Grandmother and some other relatives from my maternal line. I realized that my maternal line has some kind of a curse and that those Jinn/astral beings had a lot of influence over them. Now i somehow can see some sort of veils while i pray or meditate - sometimes at night i have very strong visions. After i started to gain knowledge about spiritualism and the cosmic energies - especially after reading and understanding the Qur'an and other scriptures and praying and meditating through which i could recognize the illusions created by the controllers of this world, the visions were intensified. I also feel when im in a pure state or not. Somehow also can sense positive and negative energies. But i never encountered some kind of astral beings during my serotonin phase - i dont even think that its possible when you are in the normal state of consciousness.

Thank you Qunicy for speaking up..

I also heard another case where "Astral Being" could create a "fake illusion" which only a specific individual could see.. but such action drained a lot of their energy and it could last only temporary. Usually just few minutes or 1-2 hours max.

A curse from grandmother line? Maybe you can elaborate more on this?

Based on the information that I've gathered so far, the influence can work both ways, it can be the astral being influencing human and human can also influence astral beings. The important things when encountering them is not to be afraid, be brave and yet calm at the same time.. although I do aware that this is easier said than done.

Maybe you can tell us more about the vision that you had?
Sensing positive (compatible) and negative (incompatible) energy is normal for all people, only the sensitiveness varied between people.


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There is also evidence that some governmental agencies tried to control those entities and use them as some kind of a psychological/astral weapon. Research montauk project.

Yes I've heard about this, some government even invented a kind of "Astral Shield" in the form of electromagnetic field generator to forbid "Astral Spies" peering through the (secret) facility.

Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: good logic on October 30, 2019, 06:22:14 AM
Peace jafar.

What should a creator do about a  rebellious creation? Or How does a creator solve rebellions of "free choice" creations? Or does a creator only creates robots? Since you say, quote:

The idea that the CREATOR having  an enemy or involved in a political conflict / war with one of His / It's own creation is ridiculous...
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: Jafar on October 30, 2019, 09:44:36 AM
What should a creator do about a  rebellious creation?

It's impossible in the first place...  :rotfl:
If you think that it's possible I think we have different definition of what THE CREATOR really is, thus let's leave it as that. :rotfl:

Ancient people used to think the CREATOR as if IT was a human king, a deity... IF and only IF it's a deity / creature then it's possible to have another being / creature as "enemy". Deity just like human king faced rebellion and wage wars to stamp out the rebellion.

Pagan Arab mythology, Egyptian mythology, Greek mythology, Roman mythology, Celts mythology, Vikings Mythology, Canaanite Mythology, Sumerian Mythology (to name a few) are full of such stories, battle between Gods, wars between Gods. To make matter worse, some of those Gods have handful of human followers as well and as the Gods battled each others, so does their human followers killing each others on the battlefield for the sake and honor of their respective God(s).

As they eventually evolved to "Monotheist" they didn't change their definition of God, they only change the total number of God, from many to one, thus labelling their enemy as "enemy of their God" still stuck in their head so does the possibility of "rebelling" against Deities.



Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: good logic on October 31, 2019, 07:12:49 AM
Peace jafar.
While it is not possible to rebel and take "kingship/ownership" from the creator, it is clearly possible -And you and I are examples of that"- to rebel against the creator s system/way of life.
In case you are not aware, GOD s kingdom  must have total submission and trust to the creator Alone and HIS only system/way of life that is chosen with complete knowledge ..

And of course you must be well aware that here on earth, as things stand -With some/most humans corruption and wickedness-  awaiting the day earth will be annexed to GOD s kingdom.

So I will rephrase the question to you:
What does a creator do when faced with creatures who do not accept His system due to their arrogance?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: quincy on November 02, 2019, 02:54:37 AM
Peace!

a rebellion doesn't harm GOD at all. A rebellion out of arrogance mostly ends in a personal hell or finally in the actual hell. GOD is not a person whom someone can harm with his thoughts or while not obeying to his laws. This is only for our own sake and our own Self.
Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: MissMarple77 on November 03, 2019, 12:11:46 PM
Yes TruthSeeker has pmed me it's unfortunate that he's too "shy" or should I say "reluctant" to share what he knows on this forum.

Perhaps due to judgemental and close minded nature of people in this forum??

True, but at least they are honest about their beliefs and no hypocrites. While some traditional muslims are like snakes winding themselves between not directly denying the unseen, because their religion tells them what exactly to believe, and their true materialistic perspective with only a cultural islamic clothing.

Please speak up, if anyone have similar experience with astral beings and/or angels, or possessed similar capability of those indigo folks, as I'm currently interested in this topic.

Somewhere on the forum (I can't find the thread) someone reported in a conversation with jinns they said they like sugar. Of course, they tell mostly lies, but in rare cases the truth. It makes sense because of the negative effects of refined sugar on the brain. On the other hand they dislike salt. So salt (mostly together with water) is used for energy cleansing. Because salt comes from the earth it has probably to do with this disgust of Iblis (from element fire) against human being (from element earth).
Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: Jafar on November 03, 2019, 08:59:10 PM
True, but at least they are honest about their beliefs and no hypocrites. While some traditional muslims are like snakes winding themselves between not directly denying the unseen, because their religion tells them what exactly to believe, and their true materialistic perspective with only a cultural islamic clothing.

Based on my experience, label / labeling doesn't justify anything.
There are good and beautiful soul within "Traditional Muslims" people and there are egocentric and hateful soul within this forum as well. Regardless on what label they put on themselves or other people.
Hypocrisy definitely also exist on some people in this forum..

Thus any labeling / stereotyping doesn't justify anything.. need to go down to each individual level..

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Somewhere on the forum (I can't find the thread) someone reported in a conversation with jinns they said they like sugar. Of course, they tell mostly lies, but in rare cases the truth. It makes sense because of the negative effects of refined sugar on the brain. On the other hand they dislike salt. So salt (mostly together with water) is used for energy cleansing. Because salt comes from the earth it has probably to do with this disgust of Iblis (from element fire) against human being (from element earth).

Interesting...

I've heard similar things and recommendation that when some 'astral beings' continuously follows and/or harass you, take a good swim in the ocean to make them go away. And I've had a friend who was experiencing such harassment and taking a good swim (diving) in the ocean does helps him to stop being harassed at least for some time.

Luckily for me I dive regularly in the ocean.. as scuba diving is one of my hobby and for me it does functioned as a recharge to my energy when I was on the low-battery situation..

It seems some astral species, especially those who are land-bounded astral species dislike salt, however there are also ocean-bounded astral species who most likely loves salt. And I also heard some 'rivalry' / 'enmity' between land bound vs ocean bounded astral species, they don't mix well with each others.

Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: quincy on November 04, 2019, 01:12:29 AM
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Luckily for me I dive regularly in the ocean.. as scuba diving is one of my hobby and for me it does functioned as a recharge to my energy when I was on the low-battery situation..

Its the best, especially if you just float above and think about nothing. I think its the best way of meditation.

Thats why the islamic tradition also has the ablution ritual. The salt thing is still present in some cultures, they are still making a lot of rituals with salt when somebody seems to be possessed or something. The best thing is always an ice cold shower. Simply put its just the restoration of the mental balance. Salt also plays an important role in hermetic alchemy as it corresponds to the material and its preservation - our body. Sugar is probably the opposite.

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Ibn Khaldun in The Muqaddimah also writes interesting things about some abnormal practices with oil:

In the Ghayah, Maslamah similarly mentioned that when a human being is
placed in a barrel of sesame oil and kept in it for forty days, is fed with figs and nuts
until his flesh is gone and only the arteries and sutures of the skull remain, and
is then taken out of the oil and exposed to the drying action of the air, he will
answer all special and general questions regarding the future that may be asked.
This is detestable sorcery. However, it shows what remarkable things exist in the
world of man.


The messiah is also someone who is anointed with oil.
Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: Jafar on November 05, 2019, 03:41:10 AM
Its the best, especially if you just float above and think about nothing. I think its the best way of meditation.

Thats why the islamic tradition also has the ablution ritual. The salt thing is still present in some cultures, they are still making a lot of rituals with salt when somebody seems to be possessed or something. The best thing is always an ice cold shower. Simply put its just the restoration of the mental balance. Salt also plays an important role in hermetic alchemy as it corresponds to the material and its preservation - our body. Sugar is probably the opposite.

Salt is a neutral component the PH = 7 and can be used to neutralize fluid material.
While sugar is highly acidic..
And since human body is 60% fluid, perhaps salt can play a role to neutralize the human body.

Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: quincy on November 05, 2019, 04:15:16 AM
Salt preserves the body through eliminating fluids while sugar dissolves the body by adding more acidic fluids (in extremes). Thats why you need to have a balanced diet and avoid refined sugar because its sugar in pure form which is very harmful. Natriumchlorid is the most important mineral for humans and animals. Even if you add to much salt into your body, your kidneys would stabilize the salt deposit in the system. Of course by adding more water into the system. Refined sugar is extracted and is not found in nature in pure form, while Natriumchlorid is natural. You can also find Salt with additions like Iodite or Fluoride - this is also very harmful and has nothing to do in our system. Even though the establishment is pushing it as necessary. Take what nature gives you, reject what laboratory recombines for you.

Thats why fasting is so extremely powerful against any kind of mental or physical deceases. Fasting detoxes and restarts the whole system.

Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: imrankhawaja on November 09, 2019, 08:32:02 PM


Nobody can really know the CREATOR except the CREATOR Him/Itself, but we can deduce what is NOT the CREATOR.


Also nobody knows for what purpose creator ignites the creation.. and what ignite creator itself/himself as far philosophy concern the best answer  is to say uncreated first cause, or self creating creator..


The idea that the CREATOR having  an enemy or involved in a political conflict / war with one of His / It's own creation is ridiculous...



obviously its a ridiculous idea to thinking bout a puny creation can wage a war against all powerful creator..

but some thinks they are enemy of God by doing some acts forbidden by ancient holy texts..

some of them are crimes and some of them are sins..
 
example not believing in a specific kind/type/nature of (gods/rituals) is a sin but not crime.

thats why when someone find someone engage in those acts they declared those rebels the enemies of god..



Interesting...

I've heard similar things and recommendation that when some 'astral beings' continuously follows and/or harass you, take a good swim in the ocean to make them go away. And I've had a friend who was experiencing such harassment and taking a good swim (diving) in the ocean does helps him to stop being harassed at least for some time.

Luckily for me I dive regularly in the ocean.. as scuba diving is one of my hobby and for me it does functioned as a recharge to my energy when I was on the low-battery situation..



there are lot of myths and lot of facts what we have no idea how to deal with them..

for example,
in some cultures parents forbid their daughters to go out with open hairs or with a strong perfume.

they think a jinny can fell in love lol thats why in most of times girl ending having a headache which is triggered possibly due to the strong fragrance..

same happen in events when a girl or boy use lot of makeup and fragrance stuff on their body/cloths which is not normal in daily routine and most of the time we having headache in the end of event and then people said evil EYE cause us headache lol..


Title: Re: The importance of Jibril and Iblis
Post by: imrankhawaja on November 09, 2019, 08:43:10 PM
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