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Title: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: Jafar on October 18, 2018, 08:15:19 AM
Not a big fan of this Khashoggi dude.
But murdered and mutilated?? That's too much...
Anyone knows any 'behind the news' story about this?

http://time.com/5428159/jamal-khashoggi-murder/

Before the world even learned his age, it could glean that the young man who runs Saudi Arabia takes extraordinary chances with violence. Mohammed Bin Salman, the prince now known by the global shorthand of MBS, was utterly unknown when his father ascended to the Saudi throne in January 2015. It was a routine transfer of power from one elderly royal to another, until King Salman delegated a massive share of his authority to his son. Within two months, the newly minted Defense Minister launched a war in Yemen that has shattered what was already the poorest country in the Arab world. He turned out to be 29.

More than three years on, none of the tens of thousands dead in Yemen have drawn a fraction of the attention now concentrated on Jamal Khashoggi, the Saudi journalist and commentator who fled the kingdom after finding himself on MBS?s bad side, and reportedly paid for it with his life. The grisly crime holds the power to transform the crown prince into a pariah, and perhaps even upend the Middle East order he had made his personal project, with the help of a flattered U.S. President. ?I think his image is now irreparably tarnished, if not shattered,? says Bruce Riedel, director of the Brookings Intelligence Project and author of Kings and Presidents: Saudi Arabia and the United States Since FDR. ?It has unmasked him as a reckless, dangerous, thuggish autocrat.?

Khashoggi?s reported murder and dismemberment likely occurred on Oct. 2 in Istanbul, inside the Saudi consulate. He may well have gone there assuming that certain fundamental norms of decency remained in place. After all, if diplomatic compounds are associated with anything beyond diplomacy, it is refuge. WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, for example, has been under the protection of Ecuador inside its London embassy since 2012.

Outrages appear more shocking in settings that signal decorum. Yet the depravity reportedly visited upon Khashoggi, then upon his corpse?by a team of 15 Saudis, one with a bone saw?was of another order of magnitude. As reported by Turkish officials who say it was captured on audio, the murder advertised barbarism and broadcast impunity.
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: The Sardar on October 18, 2018, 09:53:51 AM
Well justice needs to be done. By the way, what is it that Jamal Khasoggi is not a big fan of yours? Did he do something bad?
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: Neptin on October 19, 2018, 05:21:32 AM
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Khashoggi?s reported murder and
dismemberment likely occurred on Oct. 2 in
Istanbul, inside the Saudi consulate.

Jeez, sound like a scary scene from an horror flick. Which kind of human kill his own species and dismember the corpse with bone saw?

This is bad, but nonetheless I'm no fan of Kashoggi. Hamas supporter, Islamist, Muslim Brotherhood agent. There is not enough to cheer for, from the little I know of.

Yet again the Muslim world remain silent to the crimes of Saudi state. Congrats to them.
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: Jafar on October 19, 2018, 11:39:27 AM
Jeez, sound like a scary scene from an horror flick. Which kind of human kill his own species and dismember the corpse with bone saw?

Without any remorse or guilt?
Psychopathic kind of human...

What also amazed me is how 'dirty', 'dumb' and 'brutal' they were on 'fixing their loose ends'.
They could employ more 'elegant and subtle' manner and makes it looks more like an accident.

Oh wait... looks like they learned so fast...

https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/khashoggi-kill-squad-member-dies-in-suspicious-road-accident/news-story/8009970e0aaa947ce4da89637326a917

Khashoggi ?kill squad? member dies in road accident
(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/db555cb3e6727ff6dc3c4351d91a3318?width=650)
Meshal Saad M Albostani was killed in a car accident in Riyadh

ONE of the alleged ?hit squad? behind the brutal murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi has reportedly been killed in a car accident.

Meshal Saad M Albostani, a lieutenant in the Saudi Royal Air Force, is said to have been killed in a car accident in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

He is among a group of men wanted for questioning after Khashoggi went missing having entered the Saudi Arabian consulate in Istanbul two weeks ago.

Albostani, one of 15 suspects who were in the consulate at the time, reportedly left Turkey on October 2, the same day that Khashoggi came into the consulate.


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One down in a car 'accident', 14 more to go?

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Yet again the Muslim world remain silent to the crimes of Saudi state. Congrats to them.

Holy kingdom, the role model of an islamic state, cannot do any wrong..
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: Cerberus on October 19, 2018, 01:23:20 PM
This is bad, but nonetheless I'm no fan of Kashoggi. Hamas supporter, Islamist, Muslim Brotherhood agent. There is not enough to cheer for, from the little I know of.

I have watched some of his interviews, for the sake of listening to what his murderers might have wanted to silence. All I could see was a Saoudi patriot and possibly a proud sunni, a composed journalist who, although exiled himself in the US, kept speaking for the silenced people in KSA, even gave credit to Bin Salman on multiple occasions while providing constructive criticism in what could be done better. He also was against radical Islam.

Perhaps Bin Salman doesn't like to be told what to do on TV. I don't know. Maybe he thought it was going to be a cake of a job as if it was done in his own country.

But I don't think it's fair to make a quick opinion and put labels on someone who had just been plotted against and butchered. If you didn't have an opinion on him while he was alive, what's the point of making quick and hasty opinions on him when he is dead ? Atleast make some efforts. Or even better, listen to what he might have been silenced for.

Here is some interviews in english:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsXu_rjr7MQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaemmF6tBOU

Same critic to Jafar, such a strange way of starting such a thread.
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: good logic on October 19, 2018, 01:38:49 PM
Peace jafar.
Saudi Arabia : Blood on their hands before and after Khashoggi.
USA, Israel, Britain, France, NATO; Blood on their hands, changing regimes in the middle east and supporting greater Israel and Saudi Arabia in Syria and Yemen.
Russia, Iran; Blood on their hands for countless murders....Now aiding Syria.

Politics of Empires and rogue states has killed billions in history. Blood in their hands.

Empires and wars have weird beginnings. They always deceive their own people and sell them false stories to justify the killings of innocent people. They even kill their own people deliberately with false flag terrorism.
Mossad ,CIA, Mi5/6, KGB...Are all about killing anyone, friend or foe to justify the means.

Perhaps, every now and then GOD brings their scheming to the attention of the public when they mess up like this case is showing.
They also ,occasionally shoot themselves in the foot like Israel. They were having a field day bombing Syria at will but since the shooting of the Russian plane, Russia has stepped up with  the S300 for Syria linked to their own S400 and the sky over Syria has become a NO FLY ZONE for Israel. Iran is thanking its lucky stars and USA is threatening and screaming at Russia, well barking only really. Will they dare start a world war?
I do not really know what is going on brother jafar. The middle east is looking a mess. Israel always gets away with it. Arabs fight each other and America and the west own the oil and gas.
Saudi Arabia will probably not get away with this latest murder, but then again it has the money to pay for its mistakes?

For me, GOD is in total control of the situation and when it is time for judgement, it will not be put off by even one second
I am looking forward to that time.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: Jafar on October 19, 2018, 02:25:56 PM
Same critic to Jafar, such a strange way of starting such a thread.

Strange way?
Kindly explain...

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But I don't think it's fair to make a quick opinion and put labels on someone who had just been plotted against and butchered. If you didn't have an opinion on him while he was alive, what's the point of making quick and hasty opinions on him when he is dead ?
Exactly!

What I see here is a man getting brutally murdered and butchered.
Most probably with political motives.
There might be (and I believe there are many) more men (or women) getting the same treatment by and within KSA yet goes unnoticed / unheard.

This case *MUST* be used as a hard lesson for MBS / The Sauds psychopath that they must stop doing brutal actions. And they cannot easily get away with such crime. With such control and retribution they will then rethink hard on repeating the same action in the future.

In the same manner as another psychopath named Kim Jong Un has easily get away when he brutally murdered his own uncle and brother.
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: good logic on October 19, 2018, 11:32:36 PM
While you are on the subject of Psychopaths jafar, let us make a list:

Mossad(Israel). CIA(America), KGB(Russia), MI5/6(Britain)...etc. All deep states regardless of the president/leader or the numerous good people that want peace and respect for life. The worse are the ones under the disguise of democracy and freedom!!!!
Or it is not in the news therefore it is not happening?
Who controls what should go on the news media nowadays?

Common brother ,there must be more states on the list, finish the list if you wish.
GOD bless all the peaceful people.
Peace to all.
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: Jafar on October 19, 2018, 11:56:20 PM
While you are on the subject of Psychopaths jafar, let us make a list:
there must be more states on the list, finish the list if you wish.
GOD bless all the peaceful people.

Obliged to.. I add THIS FORUM!!

Psychopathy is on person level.
On average there are 1% of psychopath within human population.
If this forum has 1000 members, it will not be surprising to find 10 psychopaths (or more) lurking in this forum.

Having said that, your mentioning about Israel, US etc.. is out of the topic of this thread.
As this thread is about the brutal murder of Mr. Kashoggi.

PS: I sometimes wondered why people always mentioned about Israel, US etc.. when something evil related to or performed by "islam" / "islamic group" is being mentioned.
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: good logic on October 20, 2018, 03:36:36 AM
Peace jafar.
So you think there is no relation between what you claim here, quote:

PS: I sometimes wondered why people always mentioned about Israel, US etc.. when something evil related to or performed by "islam" / "islamic group" is being mentioned:

If your subject is about murder ,then it is a connection.
I also wonder why those who speak about injustice leave out the criticism of Israel and USA brother.
Or may be to you, injustice is only committed by Muslims or has an Islamic root?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: good logic on October 20, 2018, 04:33:52 AM
Also jafar, USA and Saudi Arabia go a long way as friends in oppression. USA will cover up for them even if it is saying it will hold them to justice!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDXOTjaY374
Do you need me to give you more reasons? Or is money and oil enough as a reason for you?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: huruf on October 20, 2018, 07:36:22 AM
The nato empire uses and throws away "allied" countries at will. It is devoid of any  sense of loyalty whatsoever. Real pigs.

And Saudi Arabia knows it. Knows it very damned well. The bloody nato empire had the samelessness to hung on saudi Arabia and a number of its citizens the 11S scam.

So it is a very delicate game that is being played from the Saudi side not to fall on the rong foot like it happened to Sadams' Hussein Iraq, which was shamelessly betrayed by it western allies and fully destroyed, because their ally Waddam Hussein was the devil and had ever so many weapons that were never found. He should have had them, it might have been different.

Saudi Arabia will run the same track. It is a matter of how long and cleverly the saudis will be able to play their cards and how long will world power tables take to turn. Nato empire allies are not reliable allies. They are filthy treacherous. YOu ally ith them at your own peril. I do hope Saudi Arabia makes them sorry for all the evil they are spreading and they are forcing their allies to do on their behalf, like in Yemen, Palestine, Somalia, Syria, Libia, Sudan, etc.

Salaam
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: Jafar on October 20, 2018, 07:44:23 PM
If your subject is about murder ,then it is a connection.
I also wonder why those who speak about injustice leave out the criticism of Israel and USA brother.
Or may be to you, injustice is only committed by Muslims or has an Islamic root?

The subject is about the MURDER OF JAMAL KHASHOGGI.
Unless Israel and US are behind it as well, feel free to add.
Otherwise leave them out.

Like I said, Psychopathy is on personal level.
There are psychopath everywhere!! Even on this forum.
If you want to discuss murder or psychopathy within Israel or US or other countries, feel free to start a new topic.

From my POV, your attitude is a kind of 'defense mechanism'.
My identity / idol is being 'attacked' I need to point my fingers to other parties who also do the same horrific deed. Two wrongs doesn't makes one right.

PS: Now I'm curious on what being said within the Saudi press on this matter.
Do they also point their finger to Israel and/or US? or perhaps tried to defend Mohammad Bonesaw Salman by putting a bleak picture about the victim, justifying that he is a traitor / a kafr and deserved such brutal murder,
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: Jafar on October 20, 2018, 07:52:53 PM
The nato empire uses and throws away "allied" countries at will. It is devoid of any  sense of loyalty whatsoever. Real pigs.

And Saudi Arabia knows it. Knows it very damned well. The bloody nato empire had the samelessness to hung on saudi Arabia and a number of its citizens the 11S scam.

Genie hang around with other Genies.. perfect match...

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So it is a very delicate game that is being played from the Saudi side not to fall on the rong foot like it happened to Sadams' Hussein Iraq, which was shamelessly betrayed by it western allies and fully destroyed, because their ally Waddam Hussein was the devil and had ever so many weapons that were never found. He should have had them, it might have been different.

Definitely the Saudis will be overthrown by their own people, it just a matter of time.

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Saudi Arabia will run the same track. It is a matter of how long and cleverly the saudis will be able to play their cards and how long will world power tables take to turn. Nato empire allies are not reliable allies. They are filthy treacherous. YOu ally ith them at your own peril. I do hope Saudi Arabia makes them sorry for all the evil they are spreading and they are forcing their allies to do on their behalf, like in Yemen, Palestine, Somalia, Syria, Libia, Sudan, etc.

The Saudis and MBS specifically is definitely not a reliable 'allies'.

I'm now more curious what will happened to those 15 hitman.
Will MBS willing to bear the risk of keeping them alive?
Since any of them can easily point their finger towards him on who was actually authorize the murder.

Oops.. 1 has been found dead on a 'car accident' in Riyadh.
Now it is only 14 remaining hitman still alive...

Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: Neptin on October 20, 2018, 10:10:42 PM
Genie hang around with other Genies.. perfect match...

Definitely the Saudis will be overthrown by their own people, it just a matter of time.

It won't happen anytime soon. Untill the US find alternate source of crude oil or energy and withdraw support for the Saudi dynasty. The Saudi Royal family has to remain in power to protect the richest oil reserve, if the royal family falls, there is real chance that the oil reserve will fall into the hands of Islamists hostile to the US.

Also, as long as the Muftis remain behind the royal family, there will be no change. In traditional Islam, rebelling against the ruler is haram. Even if the leader is oppressive or tyrannic, the people may admonish him but to conspire against him is haram. Only when the ruler leaves Islam may the people rise against him.

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I'm now more curious what will happened to those 15 hitman.
Will MBS willing to bear the risk of keeping them alive?
Since any of them can easily point their finger towards him on who was actually authorize them.

They'll either be imprisoned or forced to go underground, forging new identity. Yes, they killed a man, but their victim was a traitor, an enemy of an Islamic state. That's how they see it.

Khashoggi's case is nothing new in the Muslim world. Farag Foda, Muhammad Taha among other public figures opposed to Islamic states regimes have been assassinated in the past. How many Muslims heard of them?

The only reason Kashoggi gets so much coverage and sympathy from the Muslims is because he was an Islamist, anti-Israel & pro-Muslim Brotherhood.
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: huruf on October 21, 2018, 12:51:19 AM
Some people here seem believe in fairy tales no matter how many times they are exploded in their own face.

Did Qadhafi get overthrown by his own people? And how well  is the country doing now that it has been liberated? Fantastically ell, right? Just as ell as Somalia, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan. I am forgetting some.

Nobody liberates if it is not The Otan that liberates.

Syria of course still holds, destroyed but holds, why? Because as allies, the competitors, either by choice or by need, are more faithful allies than the pig otan, which knows no faith, no loyalty and no decency at all. The saudis know it, and they do not expect any miracle or believe in fairy tales. May be they hope that at some time they may switch allies, but that is not easy either. So, not too much rocking of the ship for now and they ever do any thing right the best thing is that nobody notices...


Salaam
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: good logic on October 21, 2018, 03:18:51 AM
Peace jafar.
Now you are saying this, quote:

From my POV, your attitude is a kind of 'defense mechanism'.
My identity / idol is being 'attacked' I need to point my fingers to other parties who also do the same horrific deed. Two wrongs doesn't makes one right.

You really think I am identifying myself with Muslims and/or Saudi Arabia? Then you need to reflect and read properly what I am really saying to you!!!, Let me try again:
Saudi Arabia is not under pressure from the USA or the so called alliance of the west, therefore it does what it feels like doing regardless of what you ,I or anyone else says/thinks.
Read me properly, since you are accusing me of a "defence mechanism"!  USA and its allies would have threatened another Islamic country with bombs and regime change. With Saudi Arabia there is no such a plan. Saudi Arabia has  "gold dollars" and pays its way out of trouble.

Brother, you create a thread and you ignore relevant information from others because you do not see a connection yourself?
Or do you want me to stop posting in your thread? Or are you the one who really cannot accept relevant information about this subject when it is not suiting you?

I do not do defensive jafar, I do not care less for Saudi Arabia, USA, Israel or any other country in the world and I do not support tyranny , oppression and injustice to all fellow human beings from any country or individual.
I stand for rights, justice and freedom of choice to everyone.
The point I am making here, brother, is Saudi Arabia, like Israel does what it wants to do under the current system of the most powerful country (USA). All stand for corruption on this earth!!
Are you with me now?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: huruf on October 21, 2018, 04:04:25 AM
That saudi Arabia is free to do whatevr it wants, I doubt it, doubt it very much. If it was its oil, it cna do with Saudi Arabia hat it did ith Iraq. Take the country take the oil. It amounts to saying that Otan empire respects countries property which would be a big joke, It doas qhen it does not have a choice, if it does have a choice it ombs them back to the stone age. And it can do it prefectily ith Saudi Arabia and <i am sure, there are such plans, but it is not the moment. The moment come, if it comes it will do it. And I guess Saudi Arabia plays its cards so that that comen comes as late as possible, ho knows, as said, it may switch allies. May e it is switching already and that is why it is still handled ith care, not ith respect, not at all, with care.

11S showed the maglignancy of the Ontan empire blaming it on ssudi citizens, some of them att he time, living quitely in saudi Arabia at the time and for which the USA had to present official excuses to the Kingdom, beause if they were provedly int heir homes when the events were managed, they could hardly be flying anything over the uNitd States.
Saudi Arabia of course is playing proxi against iran  which again has a better ally han Saudi Arabia and both are playing their cards or their handler's cards in yemen. Another country which must be destroyed, amongt other things so that the Bible historical fraud is not uncovered and one of the oldest civilisations in the world on record can continue to be held as if it had not existed.
God confund the shaytans that destroy the earth and good will.

I kno it feels ever so good to have the real villain incarnated in somebody who at the same time is not the most powerful, because that way you can really kick it and vent all venom and feel secure and with the good and powerful ones and on top of it good conscience.  The "you" I am using is a general you, meaning those who do that or feel like that, not anybody in particular.

And in the meantime the sionazis, I think, are launching a soft image campiagn for the next round of demolition of the palestinian people. Now it is more alarming than ever.

Salaam
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: good logic on October 23, 2018, 04:47:48 AM
Peace All.
More info on the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMBOy9wJ0YE
I hope Erdogan does not sell /accept dollars or disappears before the truth is finalised?
GOD bless.
Peace.
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: good logic on October 23, 2018, 05:38:01 AM
Or this could happen to divert the issue?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Rv8LVRx6I
GOD bless.
Peace
Title: 3 out of 15 Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: Jafar on November 02, 2018, 04:32:47 AM
Three from the assassination squad for jamal khashoggi were eliminated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc96vrivLs0

12 more to go...

Kafr = Those who tried to cover..
Covering a crime is a never ending deed... after the murder, the kafr need to murder the murderers to ensure his/her crime is well covered.. thus none of the hitman is able to testify on who actually behind the murder... and then he/she need to murder the murderer of murderers and on and on and on...

Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: Jafar on November 10, 2018, 07:51:06 AM
Hiding Human Body by liquidification with Acid?? I never knew such thing exist...

https://theworldnews.net/ng-news/saudi-journalist-khashoggi-s-body-was-liquified-with-acid-reports

Saudi Journalist Khashoggi?s Body Was Liquified With Acid

The killers of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi poured his remains down the drain after dissolving him in acid, a Turkish newspaper reported Saturday,
Samples taken from the drains at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul showed traces of acid, pro-government daily Sabah said, without quoting sources.

This led investigators to believe the dead body of the insider-turned-critic of the Riyadh regime was disposed of through the drains as liquid, the paper said.
Khashoggi was last seen entering the consulate on October 2 to obtain documents for his forthcoming marriage. His body has never been found.

After repeated denials, Saudi Arabia finally admitted the 59-year-old had been murdered at the mission in a ?rogue? operation.

However, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has accused the ?highest levels? of the Saudi government of ordering the hit, while some officials have pointed the finger at the all-powerful Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
Yasin Aktay, an advisor to Erdogan, suggested last week the body may have been dissolved in acid.
And on Monday, a Turkish official said Saudi Arabia sent two experts to Istanbul with the specific aim of covering up evidence after the murder.

Khashoggi?s Turkish fiancee Hatice Cengiz took to Twitter on Thursday writing, ?I?m unable to express my sorrow to hear about dissolving your body Jamal!?
?They killed you and chopped up your body, depriving me and your family of conducting your funeral prayer and burying you in Madinah as wished.?



And common Saudis, in defence of their king and crown prince, campaigning boycott over Amazon???

Amazon-Souq.com boycott in Saudi Arabia
https://www.arabianbusiness.com/retail/407528-amazon-souqcom-boycott-trend-continues-in-saudi-arabia

Many users said they have deleted their Amazon accounts and published images of communications with Amazon's customer service teams.
Amazon-Souq.com boycott trend continues in Saudi Arabia
Many using the hashstags said they have deleted their Amazon accounts and published images of communications with Amazon?s customer service teams.
Hashtags calling for a boycott of Amazon and Souq.com have continued to trend on social media in Saudi Arabia over the course of the week, with many taking aim at Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos, the owner of the Washington Post, for the newspaper?s coverage of Jamal Khashoggi?s murder in Turkey.

Earlier this week, hashtags calling for the boycott began trending in Saudi Arabia following the Post?s publishing of an op-ed by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan calling for more answers into the circumstances surrounding his death.

Many using the hashstags said they have deleted their Amazon accounts and published images of communications with Amazon?s customer service teams.

It is not about anger. It is about respect and trust. They reacted before the investigation results [sic], which indicates [a] premeditated and conspiring agenda,? one Saudi user commented on a Twitter thread. ?They tried to pressure our country and just flush them into the sewage.?

Another user wrote that ?whoever does not respect Saudi Arabia, [we] will put him under out feet. Our dignity comes first.?

The same user wrote that the Washington Post is conducting ?a dirty war? against Saudi Arabia ?without morality.?

?The Washington Post was not covering the death of Jamal Khashoggi, but was leaking lies all the time [to] enter into a political war with the US administration, taking advantage of the name of Saudi Arabia,? he wrote. ?Yes, we will stop dealing with Amazon.?

A similar, albeit English-language hashtag - #IStandWithSaudiArabia ? was also gaining prominence, with Saudis and foreign supporters using it to publicly back the kingdom and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

?Saudi Arabia ? for better or worse I?d never give up defending you to the very last breath,? one user wrote.
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: huruf on November 10, 2018, 04:20:36 PM
Saudis are savages. Civilised powers hide their murders  much better.  Haven't these saudis heard about arranged accidents o even suicides?


Salaam
Title: Saudi Murderer
Post by: Jafar on November 10, 2018, 11:32:06 PM
MBS and Salman as well as past Saudi Monarchs are indeed Psychopathic murderer..

Khashoggi is just the tip of the iceberg..

Kidnapped: The Lost Princes: Saudi Arabia
https://youtu.be/VlP08KGFGlk

A documentary made one year ago describing opposition within the kingdom is brutally oppressed.
Murder and torture awaited:
- Princes and princess who dare to critize the kingdom.
- Commoners who dare to speak out against the kingdom.
- Princess who dare to refuse marriage
- Female rights activists
- Human rights activists
- Democracy activists

King Salman's hands is not clean either, he murdered his own son named Abdullah.
Abdullah was dark skinned as he was born from a black slave mother,
Abdullah was murdered when he asked to be recognized by Salman, his own father.
https://www.gulfinstitute.org/investigation-murder-in-the-palace-saudi-king-salman-said-to-have-murdered-own-son/
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: imrankhawaja on November 17, 2018, 09:52:07 PM
Three from the assassination squad for jamal khashoggi were eliminated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc96vrivLs0

12 more to go...

Kafr = Those who tried to cover..
Covering a crime is a never ending deed... after the murder, the kafr need to murder the murderers to ensure his/her crime is well covered.. thus none of the hitman is able to testify on who actually behind the murder... and then he/she need to murder the murderer of murderers and on and on and on...

peace jaffar,

i think your post regarding killing the link of murder get viral and now power of media played its role a good news.. they dnt need to kill the rest of 12 lol

https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/second-audio-recording-of-jamal-khashoggis-murder-exists-turkey/news-story/27f13f0093109849197923c59ea9d5ed (https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/second-audio-recording-of-jamal-khashoggis-murder-exists-turkey/news-story/27f13f0093109849197923c59ea9d5ed)

corruption and media are like fire and diesel and now a days.

crimes of modern islami caliphs and their allies are having a tough time example ex prime minister of pakistan nawaz sharif and his family are charged against multiple corruption cases ..

universal God and his TRUE laws can never be cheated example the abolishing of slavery in 1940s(on international level).
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: Jafar on November 23, 2018, 12:41:45 PM
i think your post regarding killing the link of murder get viral and now power of media played its role a good news.. they dnt need to kill the rest of 12 lol crimes of modern islami caliphs and their allies are having a tough time example ex prime minister of pakistan nawaz sharif and his family are charged against multiple corruption cases ..


But they continue killing in Yemen?
So far around 10,000 has been killed in the war.
90,000 Yemenite children & civilians died from diseases and malnutrition (due to Saudi's blockade).

No protests or rallying happening in any muslim majority countries...

I wouldn't be surprised if after this: Yemenites decided to have their own "Mecca" in Yemen for Hajj and praying..
Actually it's a logically sound thing to do..


Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: good logic on November 23, 2018, 12:57:54 PM
Peace jafar.
Yes indeed they keep continuing to kill in Yemen!

Who is supplying the arsenal? Do the countries supplying arms to the Saudis not know this? Or are they turning a blind eye to it like they will do the murder of Khashoggi?

Do you think the mighty America cannot change the regime if it wants to? Why does it only change the regimes of those that dare to oppose its evil aims?
Yes of course the rulers of Saudi Arabia are guilty ,but so are those that support them.
GOD bless you.
Peace,
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: Jafar on November 23, 2018, 10:48:28 PM
Who is supplying the arsenal?

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/426F/production/_103870071_chart-saudi_arms-mhhic-nc.png)

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Do the countries supplying arms to the Saudis not know this? Or are they turning a blind eye to it like they will do the murder of Khashoggi?

They know and now they are pressured by their own people (voters) to do something about it.

US senators seek to stop arms sales to Saudis? after killing similar Bahrain bill
https://www.rt.com/usa/444128-saudi-arms-ban-bill/

"A group of senators on the Foreign Relations Committee, led by Bob Menendez (D-New Jersey) and Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) introduced the ?Saudi Arabia Accountability and Yemen Act of 2018.? It was sponsored by three Democrats and two Republicans."

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Do you think the mighty America cannot change the regime if it wants to?
For Saudi Arabia it's not only changing the regime, but need to overhaul the entire system.

Changing Saud dynasty to other dynasy will not solve the problem.
It will be similar to changing Hashemite Dynasty with Saddam Hussein.

For such purpose only the people can do...
So the answer is no,, America (or other foreign countries) cannot overhaul the entire system...

Unless America is directly involved in the war against Saudi Arabia.
Because the only case studies that shows as such is on Japan.
The absolute monarchy transformed towards constitutional monarchy, forced by foreign power, their ex enemy who won the war. (US)

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Why does it only change the regimes of those that dare to oppose its evil aims?
The same answer to: Why Saudis only pursue and murder those who dare to oppose their authority.

Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: imrankhawaja on November 24, 2018, 11:18:41 AM
saudia and america cant go against eachother untill the need of patro-dollar.
they are allies to eachother.

what will gona happen with the king i dnt think so america will gona do anything aginst him even if he prove guilty .
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: Jafar on November 29, 2018, 09:33:14 AM
saudia and america cant go against eachother untill the need of patro-dollar.
they are allies to eachother.

Certainly... politics is all about interest..

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what will gona happen with the king i dnt think so america will gona do anything aginst him even if he prove guilty .

It's not beneficial to US government and / or it's defense industries stakeholders to do something bad towards one of it's biggest customers.

Saudis is one of the biggest spender in the world on arms & weaponry.
When US banned weapon sales to them (less likely) then Saudis will pour their $70 Billion to buy weapon from somebody else, such as Russia. 

(https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/262742/countries-with-the-highest-military-spending.jpg)

As comparison, Yemen, the countries where Saudi uses all of those fancy weaponry to kill human lives has annual GDP of merely $18 Billion.


Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: huruf on November 29, 2018, 11:59:51 AM
It is amazing, Russia, with a spending that is dwarfed by that of the USA, an still has them in check.

It definitely seems that money is not everything.

And one misses Israel in the list but it is quite logic, because it does not spend anything, they get what they want for free from their "allies".  To kill unarmed people is very perillous and they really need everything they can get (for free).

Salaam
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: Jafar on November 29, 2018, 12:38:16 PM
It is amazing, Russia, with a spending that is dwarfed by that of the USA, an still has them in check.

It definitely seems that money is not everything.

Of course money is not everything.. and weaponry is not everything as well..

Yemen, one of the poorest country in the world, with near 0 military budget and merely $18 Billion in total GDP managed to beat out bigger and meaner Saudi Arabia left and right with $70 Billion in military spending, 4 times of all Yemenite income combined in one year.

Why? Here's why:
Why are the SAUDIES losing in YEMEN?
https://youtu.be/tbZlWugqZHk


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And one misses Israel in the list but it is quite logic, because it does not spend anything, they get what they want for free from their "allies".  To kill unarmed people is very perillous and they really need everything they can get (for free).

No your explanation it's not logical at all..
Israel is just shy away of Turkey at #16 with $16 B of military spending.

You're not paying proper credit to Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia is far more superior than their ally; Israel. In terms of devastation and destruction,
Just within 3 years of conflict in Yemen, Saudi Arabia has killed far a lot of Yemenites combatant + civilians and displaced 3 million of Yemenites civilians (1). Far higher than total Israel-Arabs (Palestine) conflict which lasted since 1967 which numbered shy away of 1 million (2).

 :bravo: :bravo: to Saudi Arabia

(1) https://reliefweb.int/report/yemen/yemen-unhcr-update-march-2018
(2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_refugees
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: huruf on November 29, 2018, 01:48:47 PM
Of course money is not everything.. and weaponry is not everything as well..

Yemen, one of the poorest country in the world, with near 0 military budget and merely $18 Billion in total GDP managed to beat out bigger and meaner Saudi Arabia left and right with $70 Billion in military spending, 4 times of all Yemenite income combined in one year.

Why? Here's why:
Why are the SAUDIES losing in YEMEN?
https://youtu.be/tbZlWugqZHk


No your explanation it's not logical at all..
Israel is just shy away of Turkey at #16 with $16 B of military spending.

You're not paying proper credit to Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia is far more superior than their ally; Israel. In terms of devastation and destruction,
Just within 3 years of conflict in Yemen, Saudi Arabia has killed far a lot of Yemenites combatant + civilians and displaced 3 million of Yemenites civilians (1). Far higher than total Israel-Arabs (Palestine) conflict which lasted since 1967 which numbered shy away of 1 million (2).

 :bravo: :bravo: to Saudi Arabia

(1) https://reliefweb.int/report/yemen/yemen-unhcr-update-march-2018
(2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_refugees


You are paying it credit for a whole bunch of us, no need to play choir. And since you yourself are not paying credit to Israel, somebody should do it and they have already been a long time at it, laying the master's rogue.

Salaam
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: Jafar on November 30, 2018, 12:46:51 PM

You are paying it credit for a whole bunch of US, no need to play choir.

Who are US which you've mentioned above?
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: huruf on November 30, 2018, 01:10:00 PM
Don't worry, don't worry, I am not representing anybody just a rash reckon of the average forum poster output and how many individual outputs on saudi Arabia does your posting amount to. Do I sin very badly if I use that first person plural, bearing in mind that it is not representing anybody just reckoning roughly forum posters output and reckoning an average? I know these things about crusading against the bad ones are very delicate. I do not want to upset anybody,s that.

Salaam


 

Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: Jafar on November 30, 2018, 08:49:24 PM
Don't worry, don't worry, I am not representing anybody just a rash reckon of the average forum poster output and how many individual outputs on saudi Arabia does your posting amount to. Do I sin very badly if I use that first person plural, bearing in mind that it is not representing anybody just reckoning roughly forum posters output and reckoning an average? I know these things about crusading against the bad ones are very delicate. I do not want to upset anybody,s that.

Sin??
How did you come to even such thought?

I was asking a standard inquiry, who are US which you mentioned above?
Are you considering Saudi Arabia as among US and Israel as among THEM?

If it is as such, I fully understand your thought process and your reaction is understandable.
Those who are among US need to be defended and those who are among THEM need to be attacked.
Regardless of the circumstances and facts that are available.
Commonly named as bias judgement..

But the thing is, geopolitical situation in middle east has changed, the definition of US and THEM are changing.
As such the grouping now includes Saudi Arabia, Israel, UAE, US on the red corner and Iran, Yemen, Qatar, Syria, Russia on the blue corner. Bahrain, Iraq, Lebanon is still a contested ground.
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: huruf on December 01, 2018, 04:46:50 AM
It is shorter with you to just say Amen than to wrangle back and forth when you simply have decided that no matter what the other says, YOU are the one who decides what the other is saying.

So, amen, sir, amen, amen, amen. You ar the one who knows what I say, not me. Congratulations. Amen.

 :yay: :yay: :yay: :yay: :yay:

Salaam
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: good logic on December 01, 2018, 05:35:36 AM
jafar ,Israel gets this from US:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abyHZnYiyhQ
Sister huruf has a point.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: Neptin on December 02, 2018, 09:59:14 PM
Loving how we keep bringing Israel and US into this, even though the bone of contention is the assassination of a Saudi Journalist in in Turkey, event though there is no connection of US and Israel to the assassination.

It is also interesting how we just think the US should disengage from Saudi Arabia. Like how? Saudi has fuel, US want fuel. Saudi sells US fuel at fair rates to sustain US economy. Without a cordial relationship between the two, the US will suffer.

People underestimate the power of Saudi regime, they think the regime is just a puppet of US. And assume US can sanction Saudi Arabia for her excesses. What happened to Canada, when they tried to intervene on behalf of Raif Badawi? What happened to Canadian ambassador to Saudi Arabia.

Before we tie the crimes of Saudi Arabia to US, let's think.
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: huruf on December 03, 2018, 12:54:08 AM
Loving how we keep bringing Israel and US into this, even though the bone of contention is the assassination of a Saudi Journalist in in Turkey, event though there is no connection of US and Israel to the assassination.

It is also interesting how we just think the US should disengage from Saudi Arabia. Like how? Saudi has fuel, US want fuel. Saudi sells US fuel at fair rates to sustain US economy. Without a cordial relationship between the two, the US will suffer.

People underestimate the power of Saudi regime, they think the regime is just a puppet of US. And assume US can sanction Saudi Arabia for her excesses. What happened to Canada, when they tried to intervene on behalf of Raif Badawi? What happened to Canadian ambassador to Saudi Arabia.

Before we tie the crimes of Saudi Arabia to US, let's think.


Let us think?

What makes you "think" people have not thought. It is plain ont he other hand, what the imperials, not US, the imperials which are a number of countries, but of course the US is the one who takes the economic and war greatest burden and also puts the face to it, whle the others do as much but hide behind the united states, well the imperials have done away with one country after another for no valid reason, like being themselves invaded and war ravaged, and should we think that thy tolerate Saudi Arabie out of friendful need?

I think not us who say Saudi Arabia is used by the imperials who should think but those who think that the imperials upholde saudi Arabia out of love or good heart or need. Realtie need for the time being and part of the need is to use it to front for them. That all along Saudi Arabia may claim some benefits. According to impeial morality she would an idiot not to.

And another use of saudi Arabia for the imperials, instead of them being blamed for pushing saudi arabia with its fake islam , saudi arabia is blamed when in fact that is the politics of the imperials, anglo-otan empire.

But it is the same as ever, people ho take on Saudi Arabia find it more rewarding than taking on the empire. Be with the powerful, and you will feel better. That is the moto.

As to the crime, I have already said it:

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Saudis are savages. Civilised powers hide their murders  much better.  Haven't these saudis heard about arranged accidents or even suicides?



Salaam
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: good logic on December 03, 2018, 07:05:25 AM
Peace All.
Some info about the US Saudi relationship:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia%E2%80%93United_States_relations

GOD bless.
Peace.
Title: UN Report: 'Credible evidence' Saudi crown prince liable for Khashoggi killing
Post by: Jafar on July 08, 2019, 09:24:47 AM
The United Nations report, by Agnes Callamard, the special rapporteur on extrajudicial executions for the United Nations human rights agency, makes the most detailed and authoritative case to date that responsibility for the killing of Mr. Khashoggi and its cover-up lies at the highest levels of the Saudi royal court.

Drawing on extensive access to surveillance by Turkish intelligence agencies and the accounts of Turkish investigators, the report finds that “credible evidence” justifies the “investigation of high-level Saudi officials’ individual liability, including the crown prince’s.”

It urges further criminal investigations both by the United Nations and, because of Mr. Khashoggi’s status as an American resident, the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Western intelligence agencies have already concluded that Prince Mohammed ordered the killing. But the report may present a new challenge to President Trump, who has embraced Prince Mohammed as a pivotal ally and sought to avoid blaming him for directing the murder.

Key takeaways from the United Nations report on the killing of Jamal Khashoggi:

• Saudi officials carried out an extensive cover-up of Mr. Khashoggi’s killing in a Saudi consulate in October, scrubbing down rooms, blocking investigators and possibly burning evidence.

• The destruction of evidence and the active role of the Saudi consul general in organizing the operation in coordination with officials in Riyadh suggest that the killing and cover-up were authorized at the highest levels of the Saudi royal court.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/19/world/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-Mohammed-bin-Salman.html
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: good logic on July 09, 2019, 05:39:02 AM
You would think that as a US citizen ,the USA will take up his case!!!

Will they ? Or is their special relationship with the Saudis and the greed for petro money persuading them otherwise?

It remains to be seen what action will be taken on the report by the USA?
GOD bless.
Peace.
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: good logic on July 09, 2019, 10:20:21 AM
And this is what Saudi Arabia thinks of the report:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR_BfKiXLXY
GOD bless.
Peace.
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: Jafar on July 09, 2019, 11:22:12 AM
You would think that as a US citizen ,the USA will take up his case!!!

Will they ? Or is their special relationship with the Saudis and the greed for petro money persuading them otherwise?

It remains to be seen what action will be taken on the report by the USA?

Nothing, USA will do nothing.

Politics is all about interest, as long as Saud's regime action is inline with current US administration interest thus shared a common interest, then they will do nothing.

"Donald Trump doubled down on his defense of Saudi Arabia in the aftermath of the brutal murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi last year, arguing that Iran kill people too."
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-defends-saudi-arabia-jamal-khashoggi-iran-kills-people-1445430

As expected, Trump defended the Saud and instead put a jab towards Iran.
What does Iran got to do with Kashoggi's murder?????   :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
If Iran kill people then it's ok for Saud to kill people???  :rotfl: :rotfl:

So does Saudi invasion on Yemen, US administration will do nothing...

Why Mr Trump? because Iran invaded other countries too?   :rotfl: :rotfl:

Not only the US, another key Saudi's ally (read: Israel) will also do nothing on both Murder Case and also Invasion of Yemen.

Israeli report: ignore Khashoggi killing to preserve Saudi alliance
https://www.trtworld.com/mea/israeli-report-ignore-khashoggi-killing-to-preserve-saudi-alliance-22806


This is a very good example of bias judgement..... for the sake of political interest...
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: good logic on July 11, 2019, 05:58:34 AM
We agree then brother Jafar.. The law of the jungle and its injustice prevails for now!
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: Jafar on July 11, 2019, 11:13:35 AM
We agree then brother Jafar.. The law of the jungle and its injustice prevails for now!

Perhaps more of "law of the desert"...

Regardless, such is the result of non-controlled power, power tends to corrupt and absolute (unchecked) power corrupt absolutely.

Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2019, 02:17:14 AM
God will not let the Saudis get away with this. Even if everyone else does.
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: huruf on July 12, 2019, 03:30:19 AM
God will not let anybody get away with anything, that is, if He wills.

Salaam
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: Jafar on July 13, 2019, 10:09:21 PM
God will not let anybody get away with anything, that is, if He wills.

Of course, He already designed a system of check and balance.

If we lived long enough, soon we will witness the fall of the Saud.
Title: Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murder In Saudi Consulate
Post by: imrankhawaja on July 13, 2019, 11:39:46 PM

If we lived long enough, soon we will witness the fall of the Saud.

It will start when people find the alternate of petrol or when their resources of oil get finish and the wealth will start moving towards the means of that era.

Its against the nature of money to stay at one place. Their money will move one day.
 
And at that time the pending trials were revised by the future superpowers.

The worst of country is saudia who dnt believe to give asylum for war captives but they happily made war captives as sex slaves. The real villans for lot of nations.but with the power of money they appear as heroes.

Money is magic of present world to blind people and nations by greed.

Let see how long they can use their power of money but as far i think they have lot of resources and money and nature need an iceberg to make that titanic sink lmao.