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Title: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Mazhar on October 06, 2018, 12:31:35 PM
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Proper Noun (Diptote) - Fir'aoun - Pharaoh

a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder

There must be something especial and unique to this King:   than all the kings who preceded him in history - that in the category of Proper Nouns his Name - Title finds mention in Qur?ān 74 times which is second maximum number of mentioning, first being the name of his contemporary, the elevated Messenger Mūsā [Moses alai'his'slaam] that numbers 136 times.

In this study, we will discuss the personality traits of Fir'aoun - Pharaoh. He was a king with acute Narcissistic personality disorder.

We will study the events of his reign to estimate the period of his kingship in Egypt. This will give us  precise cues to near-accurately estimate the duration of his reign. It will lead us identifying and specifying him in the history which is available as Primary source in hieroglyphics of ancient Egypt.

We will however not find him ceremonially buried or mummified, as was the old funerary practice, because he was drowned along with his close aides and troops, whereby there was none to have done it. He met humiliation not to find place amongst various Pharaohs of ancient Misr Egypt - a civilization that emerged after unification of Two-Lands. What to say of getting a ceremonial burial in Egypt as a Pharaoh, none wept for him.

We may however not find mention of Mūsā [Moses alai'his'slaam] in hieroglyphics because in the consideration of Fir'aoun - Pharaoh he was his "antagonist".

The distinct characteristic - personality disorder of Fir'aoun and his trusted Chieftains portrayed in Qur?ān is self-exaltation - self-aggrandizement - Narcissistic Personality Disorder. They had all the properties of self-aggrandizers like use of technique of "divide and conquer"; aggressive ruthless behaviour; taking advantage of the people around him; arrogant, haughty behaviours; engaging in false accusations, distortion campaigns; character assassination attempts; malicious gossip; amplifying their own image, and outburst of rage; but despite his facade he himself suffered from low - diminishing esteem.

All aspects of his Narcissistic Personality Disorder are explicitly obvious in the narrative of history of Egypt during his reign, starting from his age of mature adulthood to the day of his drowning in the Gulf of Suez. His history is described in Grand Qur?ān with the choice of such words and structuring of sentences that the reader can visualize as if he was witnessing the happenings.   

Please read in the link since Ayahs on the subject are mentioned in images and is time consuming to bring them here.

http://haqeeqat.pk/Fir'aunPharaoh.htm (http://haqeeqat.pk/Fir'aunPharaoh.htm)
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: guest on October 06, 2018, 01:19:21 PM
Same to Allah and Muhammad
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Mazhar on October 09, 2018, 12:51:17 PM
Pazzuz work on the subject is based on far fetched assumption and palavers.

Fir'aoun is mentioned in Qur'aan with explicit details.

I have added in the study excerpts from hieroglyphics which have the value of Primary Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_source) which portray him exactly as his pronouncements are quoted verbatim in Qur'aan.

http://haqeeqat.pk/Fir'aunPharaoh.htm (http://haqeeqat.pk/Fir'aunPharaoh.htm)
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Makaveli on October 09, 2018, 01:53:31 PM
How does it feel writing worthless tractates which have no historical or religious purpose outside of vanity?

Firun is not a proper noun of a particular king, it is an archetype of power and authorities. Any one who claims authority over another soul is a narcissistic personality by definition.

Also, your root definition is worthless since you use a textual example available in Lane but not the root definition itself, which is Fa-Ra-Ayn: head, authority, exhalted, power.

Greek has the same word spelling as "Pha-Re-Sees", meaning "authorities", Φαρισαῖος and פְּרִישָׁא in Aramaic

Obviously there is not a mention of Musa, since the latter is an archetype just like Firun, and not a historical personality. Musa means Messiah or Moschiachu in Hebrew, Masihu in Quran, it is a synonym for messiah, meaning enlightenenment.

Seriously... look at his arguments:


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Yet another cue for his identification as Ramesses II is his depiction in ancient history as a very prolific builder. The closest of men around him was Hamaan, the man who had labour force and was chief of constructing buildings.

Here we have a problem of research based on hypothesis that Ramesses II and his depiction in ancient history as a very prolific builder.

Now let us see his evidence:

And so that Our Majesty may provide for them a Land to reside - does not at all even hint at the hypothesis or relation to it;

And that Our Majesty may cause, for Fir'aoun (Pharaoh) and Ha'maan and troops of both to watch some of that about which they were apprehensively cautious. [28:06] - does not at all even hint at the hypothesis or relation to it;

Know it; Our Majesty had sent Mūsā [alai'his'slaam] with Our unprecedented signs and distinct authority, argument and logic, [40:23] - does not at all even hint at the hypothesis or relation to it;

Towards Fir'aoun (Pharaoh) and Haa'maan and Qa'roon — does not at all even hint at the hypothesis or relation to it;

Thereupon [on presentation of unprecedented signs] they said, "He is an illusionist hoaxer liar". [40:24] - does not at all even hint at the hypothesis or relation to it.

As is evident it is a number of random verses, taken from random parts of the book without being even contextually coherent. One verse is from 28:6, another springs from 40:23 and 40:24, the tactic which is consistent with the rest of his "analysis" and that is an common 'Quranist' way to interpret the Quran.

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Fir'aoun enjoyed the reputation of a prolific builder because of Ha'maan
- now we have the next hypothesis.

His evidence:

And [Panicked by the influence upon many Chieftains by repetitive mention about the true Sustainer Lord-26:23-28, after threatening Musa alai'his'slaam 23:29] Fir'aoun (Pharaoh) said, "O you the Chieftains! I have not known for you people any iela'aha: godhead who is other than me.

- not only do we see a complete lack of consistency with the raised hypothesis, but we also observe random scattered verses as they somehow constitute or relate to the same story. One argument stems from verses 26:23-29, and a very verse in context is a third verse unrelated contextually to two others. 

Therefore, you kindle for me fire, O Haa'maan, upon clay/bricks where after render for me a lofty tower so that I may [have the means to go into Skies to] diligently obtain get information about the iela'aha: the God of Mūsā; Though, of course, I certainly consider him one of the liars." [28:38]  [Read with 40:36-37]

This verse is taken completely out of its context and by some magical means which is only understood by the author of the article and perhaps Zakir Naik, is now connected with 40:36-37, as these two even relate.

Seriously, you guys should be working at the Ministry of Truth, where such sort of citation acrobatics might be valuable.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Mazhar on October 09, 2018, 02:18:14 PM
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Also, your root definition is worthless since you use a textual example available in Lane but not the root definition itself, which is Fa-Ra-Ayn: head, authority, exhalted, power.

You seem to have missed it:

Classical Lexicons mentioned its Root as: ف ر ع ن.

لسان العرب ? ابن منظور (٧١١ هـ

 فرعن: الفَرْعَنَةُ: الكِبْرُ والتَّجَبُّر

That it signifies greatness, dignity, eminence and to become haughty, arrogant, proud, tyrannical, show one's strength and power; to tyrannize.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Makaveli on October 09, 2018, 02:24:16 PM
You seem to have missed it:

Classical Lexicons mentioned its Root as: ف ر ع ن.

لسان العرب — ابن منظور (٧١١ هـ

 فرعن: الفَرْعَنَةُ: الكِبْرُ والتَّجَبُّر

That it signifies greatness, dignity, eminence and to become haughty, arrogant, proud, tyrannical, show one's strength and power; to tyrannize.

None of the definitions among the ف ر ع ن is in anyway contradicting head, authority, exhalted, power, because that's what defines power and authorities. You would bow your head to Mahomet I am quite sure about that had you a chance to meet him in person, and his name can be translated as "Praised", which is another way for "Exalted".

Secondly, 4-lettered definition is not a root. Semitic parental roots stem from 2 and 3 lettered roots. 4lettered "roots" are simply definition to particular words and do not constitute a "root definition" i.e. etymology.

Regardless, your reasoning is still defective since you read the Quran as if it somehow is a book of historical records and not the teaching of ayats [symbols and archetypes].
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Mazhar on October 09, 2018, 02:27:56 PM
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Here we have a problem of research based on hypothesis that Ramesses II and his depiction in ancient history as a very prolific builder.

Why have you not mentioned this only as was mentioned by on this point:

Fir'aoun enjoyed the reputation of a prolific builder because of Ha'maan:

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Therefore, you kindle for me fire, O Haa'maan, upon clay/bricks where after render for me a lofty tower so that I may [have the means to go into Skies to] diligently obtain get information about the iela'aha: the God of Mūsā;

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And Fir'aoun (Pharaoh) said, "O Haa'maan, build for me a lofty tower so that I have the reach to means? [40:36]

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The means to go into Skies whereupon I would diligently obtain information about the iela'aha: the God of Mūsā ?
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Makaveli on October 09, 2018, 02:31:34 PM
Why have you not mentioned this:

Fir'aoun enjoyed the reputation of a prolific builder because of Ha'maan:

Oh yes I did mention lofty tower in case you did not read it, use Ctrl F if you have problems with quick check.

How does this small verse out of 6400+ verses in the book somehow define Firun as a historical figure who as you say was "a very prolific builder"? Then you move unto other unrelated to the context verses and so and so on.

What a waste of time.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Mazhar on October 09, 2018, 02:37:17 PM
None of the definitions among the ف ر ع ن is in anyway contradicting head, authority, exhalted, power, because that's what defines power and authorities. You would bow your head to Mahomet I am quite sure about that had you a chance to meet him in person, and his name can be translated as "Praised", which is another way for "Exalted".

Secondly, 4-lettered definition is not a root. Semitic parental roots stem from 2 and 3 lettered roots. 4lettered "roots" are simply definition to particular words and do not constitute a "root definition" i.e. etymology.

Regardless, your reasoning is still defective since you read the Quran as if it somehow is a book of historical records and not the teaching of ayats [symbols and archetypes].

The major chunk of the text of Qur'aan are Narratives. And narratives are mentioned to take lessons from the past. Narrative writing is distinct from other types of texts. When reading, narratives you need to be aware how they are written which will help you comprehending them.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Mazhar on October 09, 2018, 02:39:43 PM
Oh yes I did mention lofty tower in case you did not read it, use Ctrl F if you have problems with quick check.

How does this small verse out of 6400+ verses in the book somehow define Firun as a historical figure who as you say was "a very prolific builder"? Then you move unto other unrelated to the context verses and so and so on.

What a waste of time.

The unique point of his reign is mentioned. For people who use intellect, it suffices to identify him in history.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Mazhar on October 09, 2018, 02:45:15 PM
Why not you rebut the evidence that proves him Narcissistic Personality Disorder after reading what exactly is it.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Mazhar on October 09, 2018, 02:52:31 PM
Why not you rebut the evidence quated that the person mentioned by title Fir'aoun was a real king of Egypt who is portrayed in hieroglyphics exactly as depicted in Qur'aan?
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Makaveli on October 09, 2018, 03:30:36 PM
The major chunk of the text of Qur'aan are Narratives. And narratives are mentioned to take lessons from the past. Narrative writing is distinct from other types of texts. When reading, narratives you need to be aware how they are written which will help you comprehending them.

Exactly. Who would argue with that? Now add [archetype] because that's what the narratives and allegories are filled with and it becomes eternal, and not of a particular time period. When you juggle with verses in order to find a particular scientific and/or historical context, which it lacks, because the book is highly symbolical and mystical, you pretty much abrogate the point of archetypal narratives.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Makaveli on October 09, 2018, 03:37:13 PM
The unique point of his reign is mentioned. For people who use intellect, it suffices to identify him in history.

Seriously? Is this what you call intellect and reasoning? Because all famous rulers in history of Egypt, Rome, Mesopotamia were ALL famous for building better palaces and or "wonders" than any counterparts, ancestors or competitors. Simply saying someone was a "a very prolific builder" just because of a single verse is a non-sense, lack of insight and ignoring reasoning, whereas EVERY rulers from Summerian Kings to Genghis Khan were interested in building the best palace or a wonder so as to leave a historic and architectural heritage named after them.

And then he says:

The major chunk of the text of Qur'aan are Narratives. And narratives are mentioned to take lessons from the past. Narrative writing is distinct from other types of texts. When reading, narratives you need to be aware how they are written which will help you comprehending them.

Compare your reasoning in the past two posts:

1. "a very prolific builder" beacuse of a single verse [which by the way looks quite allegorical and is not related to a physical tower, anyone with a relative insight may notice such allegory];

2. Quran is built out of narratives.

Narratives are meant to be taken as a whole and not your quranist way of juddling verses and summarizing them in a common text.

I am not your enemy, I only want to make you look more deeply into this and perhaps then you can find a better Quran.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Makaveli on October 09, 2018, 03:39:08 PM
Why not you rebut the evidence that proves him Narcissistic Personality Disorder after reading what exactly is it.

And why don't you use a bigger picture which the Quran calls you to do? There is no him in singular as it talks about the archetype and not a specific persona in history. Anyone who believes his self-rightous values and hierarchy and power allow him to control other does have Narcissistic Personality Disorder, including the Mahomet, who you probably being a lesser being would praise happen you live near him. Or would you?
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Makaveli on October 09, 2018, 03:42:17 PM
Why not you rebut the evidence quated that the person mentioned by title Fir'aoun was a real king of Egypt who is portrayed in hieroglyphics exactly as depicted in Qur'aan?

Rebut what? The fact that someone called himself Firun like Russian kings called themselves as Tza'rz? Or English feudals called themselves Kings? Or feudal lords called themselves lords of the manor? What is there to rebut? You haven't constructed a consistent thesis, in fact you have castrated the global message of the book.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Mazhar on October 09, 2018, 05:52:10 PM
Exactly. Who would argue with that? Now add [archetype] because that's what the narratives and allegories are filled with and it becomes eternal, and not of a particular time period. When you juggle with verses in order to find a particular scientific and/or historical context, which it lacks, because the book is highly symbolical and mystical, you pretty much abrogate the point of archetypal narratives.

A man with a little common sense and IQ would realize that Qur'aan is a non-fiction book. Nothing symbolical and mystical.

Qur?ān is an explicit elucidation for the peoples at large. [Refer 3:138]

This (Grand Qur?ān) is a delivered-transmitted conclusive proclamation for the Mankind. The purpose is that they might get warned-admonished-awakened by it. [Ref 14:52]

Qualitatively, it (Qur?ān) is guarantor-conveyor of glad tidings and revivalist-Warner-awakener. [perpetually present in time and space].


Thereat, despite deliverance most of them after having seen it (Qur?ān) have purposely abstained adhering it. Thereby, they people persistently listen not. [41:04]

Don't be one of those.

It is a fact: it (Qur?ān) is certainly the relay of the exalted Messenger  [69:40]
 
Mind it: it (Qur?ān) is not relayed by a poet.

Yet little is that you people accept- acknowledge. [69:41]

Another type of texts, difficult to interpret at the time of narration and writing, are statements of soothsayers - prognosticators. Qur?ān is easy to interpret because it is not a discourse narrated by a soothsayer - prognosticator:

And neither it (Qur?ān) is an Oral and written expression of a soothsayer - prognosticator.

Yet little is that you people try self retaining and comprehending it. [69:42]

Indeed it (Grand Qur?ān) is certainly a conclusive verbal statement characteristically elaborate, organized, differentiating and delineating, contrasting and isolating each element rendering it crystal clear. [86:13]

And it does not comprise of the comic text. [86:14]

Grand Qur?ān illustrates in a unique way by the choice of such words whereby it produces images and describes events as if they were happening in front of the reader. Its vivid descriptions portray image in such manner as if it were being displayed in a live recording. The reader feels watching the past and future events visually.

But certain people for reason are debarred even understanding the surface meanings of the text.

In Arabic, the word for Narrative- a Real-Life Event is: (http://haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.178/1.Qisas%20Qaaf%20Suad%20Suad%20Episode%20follow%20footprints/4.gif)
It stems from Root: ق ص ص . The basic perception infolded, in the words of Ibne Faris [died 1005] is that of following and tracking something, literally step by step. Lane's Lexicon portrayed this perception in these words; "to follow after one's track or footprints in pursuit; endeavour to trace or track someone".

A compilation of the sequence of happenings in the past is episode:(http://haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.178/1.Qisas%20Qaaf%20Suad%20Suad%20Episode%20follow%20footprints/4.gif) a part of history but distinct and of specific significance from the greater whole. Each part/segment of this compilation is unitary news, an activity; each segment is distinct static image like a mark/footprint. Each movement has, and leaves behind consecutive, one after the other images-traces. The movement/activity may apparently vanish but if we had seen or recorded the activity which is nothing but saving in memory or tape-disk the images, we can see that movement again either by recalling from memory or rewinding the tape and playing it back. Therefore:  (http://haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.178/1.Qisas%20Qaaf%20Suad%20Suad%20Episode%20follow%20footprints/4.gif) denotes narrating the episode in the exact manner of its actual happening, displaying the pictures of it clip by clip, image by image: the footage in present day parlance so that the activity and actual happening could be visualized by the listener and reader.

The main structural components of a narrative are the orientation, the complication and the resolution, and may include a concluding statement or comment in order to sum up the message.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Mazhar on October 09, 2018, 05:59:59 PM
And why don't you use a bigger picture which the Quran calls you to do? There is no him in singular as it talks about the archetype and not a specific persona in history. Anyone who believes his self-rightous values and hierarchy and power allow him to control other does have Narcissistic Personality Disorder, including the Mahomet, who you probably being a lesser being would praise happen you live near him. Or would you?

Narcissists Personality Disorder does not mean and refer every ruler. Just first study it in some psychology book.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Emre_1974tr on October 09, 2018, 06:08:25 PM
Hi;

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609989.0

Peace
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Jafar on October 10, 2018, 12:26:00 AM
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We will study the events of his reign to estimate the period of his kingship in Egypt. This will give us  precise cues to near-accurately estimate the duration of his reign. It will lead us identifying and specifying him in the history which is available as Primary source in hieroglyphics of ancient Egypt.

And which period do you think that this "Pharaoh Of Moses Time" lived?

We can then compare it to actual archeological findings...

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The distinct characteristic - personality disorder of Fir'aoun and his trusted Chieftains portrayed in Qur?ān is self-exaltation - self-aggrandizement - Narcissistic Personality Disorder. They had all the properties of self-aggrandizers like use of technique of "divide and conquer"; aggressive ruthless behaviour; taking advantage of the people around him; arrogant, haughty behaviours; engaging in false accusations, distortion campaigns; character assassination attempts; malicious gossip; amplifying their own image, and outburst of rage; but despite his facade he himself suffered from low - diminishing esteem.

Narcissist and Psychopathic...

Many rulers both in the past and current time are indeed Narcissistic and Psychopathic..

Infact a research shows that the highest appearance, in terms of percentage, where you can find Narcissist or Psychopathic people are among leaders in Enterprises, Government and Religious Institution.

Their appetite for self-grandiose draws them to such position.
And their psychopathy enables them to have no compassion and no remorse to achieve such position.
They can easily sacrifice their own friends, family or even their own mom in order to achieve their goal.
Performing murder, assassination, torture, persecution, lies, false accusation is easy for them, as they have no sense of guilt or conscience.

Ramesses II, (12th century BC) the egyptian king, the chosen by Ra, was a good example of egyptian ruler with narcisstic and psychophatic syndrom. He has no remorse whatsoever on murdering, torturing and enslaving people which land he invaded (the canaanites). He built gigantic useless monuments to satisfy his self-grandiose and he has no shame on publishing lies (propaganda).
He claimed glorious victory over the war with The Hittites, and wrote that in a tablet for consumption by his people while in reality his army was beaten in the battlefield which forced him to sign a peace treaty.

In similar manner as Mr Trump claimed victory over negotiation with North Korea.
And Mr. Kim claimed he has humiliated America and forced Trump to sign a treaty, (can only be found on news aired by North Korean TV and Radio station)

Ramesses II was loved by the Egyptians, he set the standards of "What a good Pharaoh" should be.
Conquering land, providing slaves for the egyptian citizens and building gigantic monuments.


Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: huruf on October 10, 2018, 12:34:38 AM
And which period do you think that this "Pharaoh Of Moses Time" lived?

We can then compare it to actual archeological findings...

Narcissist and Psychopathic...

Many rulers both in the past and current time are indeed Narcissistic and Psychopathic..

Infact a research shows that the highest appearance, in terms of percentage, where you can find Narcissist or Psychopathic people are among leaders in Enterprises, Government and Religious Institution.

Their appetite for self-grandiose draws them to such position.
And their psychopathy enables them to have no compassion and no remorse to achieve such position.
They can easily sacrifice their own friends, family or even their own mom in order to achieve their goal.
Performing murder, assassination, torture, persecution, lies, false accusation is easy for them, as they have no sense of guilt or conscience.

Ramesses II, (12th century BC) the egyptian king, the chosen by Ra, was a good example of egyptian ruler with narcisstic and psychophatic syndrom. He has no remorse whatsoever on murdering, torturing and enslaving people which land he invaded (the canaanites). He built gigantic useless monuments to satisfy his self-grandiose and he has no shame on publishing lies (propaganda).
He claimed glorious victory over the war with The Hittites, and wrote that in a tablet for consumption by his people while in reality his army was beaten in the battlefield which forced him to sign a peace treaty.

In similar manner as Mr Trump claimed victory over negotiation with North Korea.
And Mr. Kim claimed he has humiliated America and forced Trump to sign a treaty, (can only be found on news aired by North Korean TV and Radio station)

Ramesses II was loved by the Egyptians, he set the standards of "What a good Pharaoh" should be.
Conquering land, providing slaves for the egyptian citizens and building gigantic monuments.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: huruf on October 10, 2018, 12:40:38 AM
It is clear ignorance of ancient Egypt in this forum is colossal, and always ignorance is very daring. Slandering aciente Egypt, since the bible does it seems to be a holy crusade.

Speaking about narcissism, in this forum there is disproportionet concentration of it. Any know all spews nonsense about Egypt at any time and about ancient Egypt at all times.

So much narcissism and ignorance together is depressing and the great doctor in egyptology seems to be the bible-cum holywood.

Salaam
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Mazhar on October 10, 2018, 12:53:14 AM
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//And which period do you think that this "Pharaoh Of Moses Time" lived?

We can then compare it to actual archeological findings...//


Not time, but duration.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Makaveli on October 10, 2018, 03:31:08 AM
A man with a little common sense and IQ would realize that Qur'aan is a non-fiction book. Nothing symbolical and mystical.

Really? What's the point of 35:1, 2:34? Come on, one short answer from you for both verses - it should be scientific, clear and not a mystical.

Qur?ān is an explicit elucidation for the peoples at large. [Refer 3:138]

There is nothing "explicit elucidation for the people at large" in that verse. Not to mention you got the definition of the Qur'an wrong.


This (Grand Qur?ān) is a delivered-transmitted conclusive proclamation for the Mankind. The purpose is that they might get warned-admonished-awakened by it. [Ref 14:52]

So why don't you wake up already and write non-sensical stuff instead?

Qualitatively, it (Qur?ān) is guarantor-conveyor of glad tidings and revivalist-Warner-awakener. [perpetually present in time and space].

Does your deluded world understand what the "glad tidings" is?


Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Makaveli on October 10, 2018, 03:38:25 AM
I actually had to split his non-sense in few halves. This is becoming ridiculous.

Thereat, despite deliverance most of them after having seen it (Qur’ān) have purposely abstained adhering it. Thereby, they people persistently listen not. [41:04]

Look at definition of kafara when you get time, and then look at the mirror.

It is a fact: it (Qur’ān) is certainly the relay of the exalted Messenger  [69:40]

Nothing about a Qur'an in in. You inject words on a freely basis, eh?

Another type of texts, difficult to interpret at the time of narration and writing, are statements of soothsayers - prognosticators. Qur’ān is easy to interpret because it is not a discourse narrated by a soothsayer - prognosticator:

O really? Interpret me 90:1, make it an easy interpretation.

No..instead, he simply parrots verses because it tells him:

And neither it (Qur’ān) is an Oral and written expression of a soothsayer - prognosticator.

Yet little is that you people try self retaining and comprehending it. [69:42]

Indeed it (Grand Qur’ān) is certainly a conclusive verbal statement characteristically elaborate, organized, differentiating and delineating, contrasting and isolating each element rendering it crystal clear. [86:13]

The verse has nothing of what you just listed.

Grand Qur’ān illustrates in a unique way by the choice of such words whereby it produces images and describes events as if they were happening in front of the reader. Its vivid descriptions portray image in such manner as if it were being displayed in a live recording. The reader feels watching the past and future events visually.

You do not know what are you talking about.

But certain people for reason are debarred even understanding the surface meanings of the text.

Yes, they think it is a historical book, and do not even understand the definition let alone a purpose of the Quran. Poor folk.

Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Makaveli on October 10, 2018, 03:41:36 AM
Narcissists Personality Disorder does not mean and refer every ruler. Just first study it in some psychology book.

Oh yes it does. Anyone who is capable of ruling others by force is narcissistic and a psychopath, who per definition is incapable of empathy towards suffering of other humans. Since you have a veil over your mind and a slave mentality you still dualistically divide "bad" and "good" rulers. If you could understand the Quran you wouldn't.

The problem of many people, a disaster, is dualism, which is a form of shirk, like it or not. But the longer you abide in your castrated worldview and deception the longer it will take for you to realize what is the core problem of your thinking and useless tractates which bear no historical or religious purpose and are a product of mindless verse juggling, made of combining random verses, which are not contextually consistent, and using own flawed logic to impose a meaning on such a mixture.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Mazhar on October 10, 2018, 05:04:17 AM
Oh yes it does. Anyone who is capable of ruling others by force is narcissistic. Since you have a veil over your mind and a slave mentality you still dualistically divide "bad" and "good" rulers. If you could understand the Quran you wouldn't.

You have some psychological problem and some delusions. Better consult a psychiatrist. First tell him what you perceive from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Makaveli on October 10, 2018, 05:08:19 AM
You have some psychological problem and some delusions. Better consult a psychiatrist. First tell him what you perceive from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

What is my psychological problem and where am I deluded? Perhaps it is you who should consult a psychologist to find out the root cause of your mindless tractates which is nothing but a worthless diatribe, which you claim to be "historical" or "scientific" work.

I already gave you a definition of narcisstic behavior. It is plain and simple, an incapability of showing mercy and feeling empathy towards suffering of other human beings, which an archonic (based on hierarchy and control) ruler by definition is, as opposite to the leader, who suffers the same scenario as people who trust their lives to him.

Your dualism and deception prevent you from understanding it. This is why you keep parroting random verses you have no understanding of.

Why? Because you were decieved, was lost in your spiritual guidance, got dissapointed with mainstream Islam, but since you still needed a spiritual guidance you entered the book-worship bandwagon. I give you hints that the book you deem as "absolutely clear" is in fac the answer to your suffering and stupidity. But since it is obvious how illogical you sound, means you did not grasp the meaning of the book, your delusion does not cease. Start with basmallh, and think why it appears at the beggining of the chapters. But you will probably ignore my words.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Mazhar on October 10, 2018, 07:08:43 AM
What is my psychological problem and where am I deluded? Perhaps it is you who should consult a psychologist to find out the root cause of your mindless tractates which is nothing but a worthless diatribe, which you claim to be "historical" or "scientific" work.


Advice was sincere. Do visit a psychiatrist. Tell him what name you chose for appearance on internet. Also show him some scripts of your writing. He will quickly diagnose the problem and start rehabilitation work.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Makaveli on October 10, 2018, 08:26:52 AM
Advice was sincere. Do visit a psychiatrist. Tell him what name you chose for appearance on internet. Also show him some scripts of your writing. He will quickly diagnose the problem and start rehabilitation work.

Is that all you could respond? Is that what your age long intellectual capacity did develop into? Is this your Rabb's final form? Or are you still evolving? Perhaps you should write another worthless diatribe on Quran and psychological issues in accordance with the Quran? I would gladly write another review :)
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Mazhar on October 10, 2018, 09:56:03 AM
Is that all you could respond? Is that what your age long intellectual capacity did develop into? Is this your Rabb's final form? Or are you still evolving? Perhaps you should write another worthless diatribe on Quran and psychological issues in accordance with the Quran? I would gladly write another review :)

Salama
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Jafar on October 10, 2018, 09:59:35 AM
It is clear ignorance of ancient Egypt in this forum is colossal, and always ignorance is very daring. Slandering aciente Egypt, since the bible does it seems to be a holy crusade.

Speaking about narcissism, in this forum there is disproportionet concentration of it. Any know all spews nonsense about Egypt at any time and about ancient Egypt at all times.

So much narcissism and ignorance together is depressing and the great doctor in egyptology seems to be the bible-cum holywood.

The facts about Ra-messes II has NO REFERENCE to Bible.
He was a good example of both Narcissistic and Psychopatic ruler.
Based on Archaeological findings.
Along with many other examples (ie: Nero, Caligula, Genghis Khan, Mary of Tudor, Kim Jong Un, Saddam Hussein and to some extent Donald Trump)

I do wonder why you have such sensitivity to Ancient Egypt?
Why you do NOT complaint about the "level of ignorance about North Korea" since the description also gives out Kim Jong Un as an example.

It seems that you are self-identifying yourselves only with Egypt???
Thus anything 'bad' being told about Egypt you consider it as an attack to you? (and your identity)
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Makaveli on October 10, 2018, 12:03:39 PM
Salama

I wish you would abide in selam as well, not duality. But I guess selam is also a meaningless word for you, which is "clear" and not "mystic", correct?
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: huruf on October 10, 2018, 02:28:37 PM
The facts about Ra-messes II has NO REFERENCE to Bible.
He was a good example of both Narcissistic and Psychopatic ruler.
Based on Archaeological findings.
Along with many other examples (ie: Nero, Caligula, Genghis Khan, Mary of Tudor, Kim Jong Un, Saddam Hussein and to some extent Donald Trump)

I do wonder why you have such sensitivity to Ancient Egypt?
Why you do NOT complaint about the "level of ignorance about North Korea" since the description also gives out Kim Jong Un as an example.

It seems that you are self-identifying yourselves only with Egypt???
Thus anything 'bad' being told about Egypt you consider it as an attack to you? (and your identity)

YOu are completely off and being in this forum many years has not helpt you at all.

You have no idea of ancient Egypt, that is the problem, you merely parrot all clishes, like slavery.




Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: imrankhawaja on October 10, 2018, 10:55:31 PM
peace Guys,

why people think they cant be recognize/identify.

the only problem with such type of intelligent person is =  he imagine rest of them are fool and D...heads.. ( :rotfl:)
so other people called such type of person as over-confident ( :yay:)

a famous psychological disorder (if somebody struggling understanding his problem)

multiple personalities in one character.. in terms of forums a person who come again and again by different IDz is suffering from this possible psychological disorder..

WARNING its dangerous if handle with ignorance.. (most of them ended in mental asylum).
SYMPTOMS ( a person feel himself insightful person and the highest knowledgeable person throughout the world)
SOMETIMES even imagine himself as prophet or part of God too ..

CURE    ..  :brickwall: or  :elektro: or  :whatever:  or  :pr


Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: NewFrenzy on October 11, 2018, 12:29:12 AM
Assalam Alaykum. I'm just curious about Narcissistic Personality Disorder though I am not one of those diagnosed. 1) How would you explain the psychological origin of NPD in Islamic Psychology like what is the ego and superego and what happens? 2) Is it the person's fault that they have NPD since childhood? Can they control it or is it like any other disorder that can develop? 3) Is there any cure for it Islamically? If yes, what is it exactly? If no, what does the person do if he is Muslim because he won't truly be sincere? Will he be destined for hell? 4) Can an actual sufferer become a true, sincere Muslim? I mean can the disorder and the faith coexist? How? Why not? 5) Is there any point in giving da?wah to a sufferer? I would really appreciate that you answer them for me. Thank you.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Mazhar on October 11, 2018, 02:58:01 AM
Assalam Alaykum. I'm just curious about Narcissistic Personality Disorder though I am not one of those diagnosed. 1) How would you explain the psychological origin of NPD in Islamic Psychology like what is the ego and superego and what happens? 2) Is it the person's fault that they have NPD since childhood? Can they control it or is it like any other disorder that can develop? 3) Is there any cure for it Islamically? If yes, what is it exactly? If no, what does the person do if he is Muslim because he won't truly be sincere? Will he be destined for hell? 4) Can an actual sufferer become a true, sincere Muslim? I mean can the disorder and the faith coexist? How? Why not? 5) Is there any point in giving da?wah to a sufferer? I would really appreciate that you answer them for me. Thank you.

Salamun alaika,

Ayah 8-20 describes people of a certain psyche - Narcissist

Concept?theme:

The text of paragraph is expository: a type of informational text that provides factual information about a topic using a clear, non-narrative organizational structure with a major topic and supporting information. It is written in a way that doesn't assume that the reader has prior knowledge of the subject matter. It is used to explain things rather than argue a point.
Here it describes people who are termed in the discipline of Psychology as "Narcissists". It is a personality disorder. A critical reader will find that the Grand Qur?ān classifies and portrays people by their psychology and assigns them a typical name-term for identification. Like a superb coherent paragraph, it discloses in ascending order the characteristic features  of the Narcissist in the society of believers of exalted last Messenger Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam . The first is that they are Impostor Believers: Introduction of a peculiar class of people belonging exclusively to the Believer's society: (http://haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00026.%20Yunfiqoon%20Noon%20Fa%20Qaaf/14.gif) , "the Narcissist" and they are the wanderers: (http://haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Tabweeb/00018.%20Zualeen%20Zuad%20Lam%20Lam%20negligent%20astray/1.gif)  the second category of people who follow not: Siratal Mustaqeem as stated in 1:6-7. The paragraph will close by exemplifying these people with natural phenomenon that images their inner-self to facilitate the believers recognizing them.

People of a certain psyche Ayah 2:8-20 (http://haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.%20Individual%20Ayaat/002.%20Albaqrah/002/02.8-20.htm)

Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Makaveli on October 11, 2018, 05:41:37 AM
The above "explanation" from Mazhar is a plain disrespect in the name of common sense, critical thinking, philosophy and literary studies. Not only does he attract his personal limited worldview to 2:8-20, which by the way states nothing about arrogance, which is what a narciss per definition is, it is personal arrogance and solipsism, but it speaks about delusion/cover; he actually makes two distinguishable erreneous conclusions:

1. His explanation of 2:8-20 contradicts 2:34, when a methaphisical created is termed as kafiruun, whereas the former verses speak of ordinary human beings. Now when I bring this up look him trying to solve this, he will say it has to do with "rejection" on his side for this reason he is termed like this. So, is he a disbeliever, an arrogant narcisstic persona, or a rejector?

If Iblis is a disbeliever - that does not make sense, he gives an oath to God and speaks in a quite respectful manner to him;

If Iblis is a rejector - well, yes, he refused to bow to Adam, but how is this sort of rejection relate to 2:8-20?

If Iblis is arrogant - again, in the beginning of Baqara it states that their hearts are sealed, meaning they have no choice believing or disbelieving in God, or their condition is flawed to an extent they cannot see obvious processes happening in their lives (something I notice among inhabitants of this forum as well); therefore arrogance or narcissism is nowhere defined explicitly at least in 2:8-20.

By the way, there is nothing mystical in the Quran according to Mazhar's earlier conclusion, so therefore 2:34 should not even bother him altogether.

2. He said:

Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam

If something demands to call himself like this, with exalted titles and mantras, that is he who is an arrogant narciss, which is everything we know about Mahomet.

So again, we clearly see contradictory and dualistic views of Mazhar. If something is culturally accepted, for instance, that the Kings of Ancient Egypt were "bad", fine, let's make up a diatribe "proving" their psychological disorder (as if hundreds of other kings can't be measured with such); but if something in his culture is regarded as "good", let us say 'salallaahoalaih wasalam' after his name.

Now, substitute Firun and Mahomet and there we go, in a parralel universe Mazhar would write the very same diatribes proving that Mahomet was a narcisstic persona and Firun alallaahoalaih wasalam was God's messenger...

And what is the difference between Salallaahoalaih wasalam and Firun?

1. Both were rulers, meaning they had a personal army;

2. Both were rulers and therefore had slaves;
 
3. Both probably led a very excessive lifestyle in regards to power, faith and sexual pleasures, because that's what culturally comes to mind when we speak of Pharaoh's and that's what is known from the ahadith literature about Mahomet (read below what I think about this first);

4. Both were rulers and were higher standing in social hierarchy;

5. Both were murdering people, including unarmed folk, including contract murdering or murder per order;

6. Both were arrogant and demanded special treatment towards their 'divine' persona.

Except that we know nothing about the Biblical and Quranic Firun as a historical persona outside of Biblical and Quranic narratives, which make it an archetype and not a historical figure as I alreday told; and the facts about Mahomet are contradictory and have authenticity issue (like anything in history). But, if we only measure them by the Qur'an, for instance, then what is the point of saying salallaahoalaih wasalam after someone who is not even mentioned in there?

Quran says nothing about a person called Mahomet, and these 4 words allegedly attributed to him (out of more 6400+ verses in the whole book) do not even explain a context about him, and clearly mean a different thing, not a person.

I know what 'muhammad' in the Quran refers to. But people being subject to their own flaws and degraded worldview do not let alone require answers.

And in the context of his discourse he by the way mentions:

A critical reader will find
as if he himself is unsure whether his explanation is "critical" enough so that he tries to impose his view by stating that only "critical minded individuals like I am" will understand it.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Mazhar on October 11, 2018, 10:19:55 AM
The above "explanation" from Mazhar is a plain disrespect in the name of common sense, critical thinking, philosophy and literary studies. Not only does he attract his personal limited worldview to 2:8-20, which by the way states nothing about arrogance, which is what a narciss per definition is, it is personal arrogance and solipsism, but it speaks about delusion/cover; he actually makes two distinguishable erreneous conclusions:

Dear, what is the shape of your eyebrows?
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Makaveli on October 11, 2018, 11:24:56 AM
Dear, what is the shape of your eyebrows?

Good idea, you could write another wonderful (i.e. full of wonders of logic) article on the Quran and the eyebrows, I am sure you could juggle anatomy of human head out of the verses.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Mazhar on October 11, 2018, 12:03:04 PM
Good idea, you could write another wonderful (i.e. full of wonders of logic) article on the Quran and the eyebrows, I am sure you could juggle anatomy of human head out of the verses.

I have not found mention of eyebrows in the semantic domain body-parts in Qur'an.

I had just tried to visualize your face in my imagination. It was in that connection. You wish not to share, it is okay.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Makaveli on October 11, 2018, 01:22:55 PM
I had just tried to visualize your face in my imagination.

If you do not have any other worries, then I am fine, but there is I think more crucial things for you to contemplate upon, don't you find?

I have not found mention of eyebrows in the semantic domain body-parts in Qur'an.

As if you have found anything else you keep writing about.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Mazhar on October 11, 2018, 05:12:33 PM
If you do not have any other worries, then I am fine, but there is I think more crucial things for you to contemplate upon, don't you find?

As if you have found anything else you keep writing about.

But why are you not obliging me with an information which can cause you no harm?
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Makaveli on October 11, 2018, 11:45:21 PM
But why are you not obliging me with an information which can cause you no harm?

Because if you apply wisdom you will get your answer, as of now you are an old fool who is juggling verses, no offence intended. And I am merely giving you a hint.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Jafar on October 12, 2018, 08:20:34 AM
YOu are completely off and being in this forum many years has not helpt you at all.
Same to you...
Quote
You have no idea of ancient Egypt, that is the problem, you merely parrot all clishes, like slavery.

And you're the expert?
You read hieroglyph?

Back to the initial discussion:
You were ranting about bible references while Ramesses II has no biblical reference whatsoever.

Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Jafar on October 12, 2018, 08:41:43 AM
I'm just curious about Narcissistic Personality Disorder though I am not one of those diagnosed. 1) How would you explain the psychological origin of NPD in Islamic Psychology like what is the ego and superego and what happens? 2) Is it the person's fault that they have NPD since childhood? Can they control it or is it like any other disorder that can develop? 3) Is there any cure for it Islamically? If yes, what is it exactly? If no, what does the person do if he is Muslim because he won't truly be sincere? Will he be destined for hell? 4) Can an actual sufferer become a true, sincere Muslim? I mean can the disorder and the faith coexist? How? Why not? 5) Is there any point in giving da?wah to a sufferer? I would really appreciate that you answer them for me. Thank you.

 :bravo: a very good set of questions.

1. CAUSE OF NPD
Childhood experience.
People diagnosed with NPD see themselves as superior and more deserving of consideration than others, but the real cause of their delusions is a deeply-felt sense of insecurity supported by chronically poor self-esteem.

Rather than surrender to their feelings of unworthiness and lack of trust in themselves, NPD sufferers hide behind an inflated ego and a self-centered approach to human relations. They fail to develop empathy and react to others with cynicism and an overly competitive attitude. Narcissists don a mask of supreme self-confidence and infallibility, but they do it more to fool themselves than to fool others.

Be careful with children, yours or anyone's..
Do not shunned them, do not do anything that can cause them to lose their self esteem.
NPDs felt the continuous need to satisfy the expectation others, especially their parents or figure of authority.

On the other hand, constant praise and permissive attitudes can also lead to inflated egos in children, who grow up as adults believing they can do no wrong.  The child shall then developed NPD due to the constant needs of being praised.

This is apparent with the story of Ramesses, Caligula, Kim, Trump or Herod.

2) Is it the person's fault that they have NPD since childhood?
Might not be, his / her environment plays more role in shaping such personality.

3) Is there any cure for it
Chemical wise no, but a continuous group therapy might works.
People with NPD should concentrate on their process of 'healing and self-discovery' in a safe, non-threatening, non-judgmental environment, their chances of achieving a breakthrough are significantly enhanced.

The Buddhist has unique ritual for developing an anti-ego (read: humility) and self-satisfaction within a person. It is the ritual of begging, which act as an exercise to improve one's humility and lower their ego.

4) Can an actual sufferer become a true, sincere Muslim
If what you meant by this questions is whether NPD can 'recover' from their addiction to inflated ego and praise, thus transforming themselves to become a humble yet self-confident person without any craving for praise, then the answer is YES, but with a very hard efforts.

5) Is there any point in giving da?wah to a sufferer?
If "giving da'wah" is telling him/her bluntly of his/her problem with inflated ego and craving for praise then the answer is NO, it will not work.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: good logic on October 12, 2018, 09:07:05 AM
Peace Mazhar.
May be the pharaoh you are discussing had a really good personality and was hiding it?
Like they say, quote:
"It is far more impressive when others discover your good qualities without your help."

Sometimes I worry about my personality and the personalities of the ones living . Pharaoh is long gone.
Joke apart, I am not grasping the aim here?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Mazhar on October 12, 2018, 09:12:45 AM
Peace Mazhar.
May be the pharaoh you are discussing had a really good personality and was hiding it?
Like they say, quote:
"It is far more impressive when others discover your good qualities without your help."

Sometimes I worry about my personality and the personalities of the ones living . Pharaoh is long gone.
Joke apart, I am not grasping the aim here?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Just to grasp what is written in the text of the Book.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: good logic on October 12, 2018, 09:23:27 AM
Thanks brother.
OK, may be Pharaoh was not everyone s favourite but he was someone s favourite whether we like it or not!
To be honest I do not know much about him.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Fir'aoun - Pharaoh a King with acute Narcissistic personality disorder
Post by: Jafar on October 12, 2018, 11:03:52 AM
OK, may be Pharaoh was not everyone s favourite but he was someone s favourite whether we like it or not!
To be honest I do not know much about him.

It should be Them, as there are many Pharaohs..
Apparently yes, somebody in this forum has attached herself to Pharaohs..

The title Pharaoh itself is gender less... Cleopatra (female) and Hatshepsut (female) was a Pharaoh.. Specifically for Cleopatra she also clearly shows the symptom of Narcism and Psychopathy..