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Title: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: mike789 on December 18, 2016, 11:16:35 AM
The first time, someone said the Earth is actually flat, I quickly stopped reading and I thought he must be crazy. Why would NASA and other space agencies fake everything? But after some research and experiments, it is crystal clear that the Earth is indeed flat and we have been lied to all our lives. People think that Satan can only manipulate and mislead through religion. They think Satan can not mislead or manipulate through what we call Scientific knowledge.

All scientific experiments and observable evidence points to a flat stationary Earth surrounded by an ice wall beyond which we are not allowed to explore. All major governments have signed a treaty which makes it illegal for any individual to explore beyond the ice wall without their permission.  Also because the terrain and weather conditions are prohibitive, only governments have the resources to go  beyond the ice wall. 

The Sun and the Moon are much closer and swim on their orbits across this flat plane of ours.  All GPS and other communications are done through high altitude balloons in which NASA has invested heavily or through ground based antennas.  Two private rockets launched towards the sky hit something. The videos are on Youtube. This proves that the sky above is a physical structure as mentioned in the Quran. The sky is not gases but a solid object. The stars are not distant suns light years away but celestial bodies much closer to us just as they appear. There is no such thing as space. No one has been able to penetrate the sky  and no one will as mentioned in the Quran. And there is no space station. It is all faked. The evidence of fakery is overwhelming once you examine the videos that NASA and other agencies release and claim that the astroNOTs are in space. It is done just like in the movie Gravity, space and space station was faked at Hollywood Studios.  What we see in the sky in the form of a space station is a hologram projected by NASA.  NASA has 100 times the budget of all Hollywood studios combined.

Why are they hiding the Flat Earth? Maybe to mislead Billions of people into thinking that life is not designed and it means nothing. We are just a result of a meaningless explosion and there are trillions of other planets out there. And that there is no God.  Earth is not designed, meaningless and life happened by chance.

Here are the main evidence which convinced me that the Earth is flat:

The natural physics of water:

(http://whotfetw.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/12654270_1641182892801433_5116072176287830748_n.jpg)

(http://whotfetw.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Flat-Earth-Memes-335-11.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChON8vwWIAE62Rr.jpg)

NASA's famous blue marble Earth photo is clearly fake. Google: NASA Fakery

(https://cdn-ak.f.st-hatena.com/images/fotolife/p/plus-ultra/20160817/20160817224153.jpg)


(http://whotfetw.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Flat-Earth-Memes-297-13.jpg)

ICE WALL
 (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6gIuNk1kfsU/VKz_HXWYeRI/AAAAAAAAPdU/9YIuJKPTNTg/s1600/ends-of-the-earth.jpg)

The Missing Curvature according to curvature chart:
(https://flatearthscienceandbible.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/img_9158.jpeg)

(http://whotfetw.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/LFEM-148-10.jpg)

(http://whotfetw.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Flat-Earth-Memes-228-10.jpg)

Everything on Earth is arranged due to density and mass and no magic called gravity.
Gravity is so magical and it is holding mountains and millions of loose stones in Australia upside down yet allows birds to fly and fish to swim and clouds to go around. It is so magical that the moon's gravity causes tides in oceans but not in lakes and ponds.

(https://flatearthscienceandbible.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/img_7156.jpeg)


(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/d3Dpmt7jb3U/hqdefault.jpg)

Google Flat Earth Map or Gleason's Map
(http://whotfetw.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Flat-Earth-Memes-252-14.jpg)


(http://x3.cdn03.imgwykop.pl/c3201142/comment_D4wz7TA3RNS3rryNIYDkJMOgdr91l8bT.jpg)

Google: 200 proofs Earth is not a spinning ball
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Wakas on December 18, 2016, 12:15:49 PM
No need for all that. Just answer one simple post:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607515.msg368077#msg368077

Everyone who has claimed flat earth has ran away from answering. Your turn?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Jafar on December 18, 2016, 12:41:21 PM
But after some research and experiments, it is crystal clear that the Earth is indeed flat and we have been lied to all our lives. People think that Satan can only manipulate and mislead through religion. They think Satan can not mislead or manipulate through what we call Scientific knowledge.

You are free to believe anything that you want..
And so does everyone else... everyone has the right to be 'stupid' and 'misleaded'.. including you...

But.. can you please stop demonizing and satanizing anyone who merely do not share your belief and opinion?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: hansolo on December 18, 2016, 01:01:39 PM
Earth is not Real!!!!

If you want to know the Truth, Buy my E-book "How to Become Good Looking, Gain Respect, Money and Love".

Hmm... Don`t ask me why Im selling my book for 299 USD... I really do know the secrets to become Rich... I just....Aghhgh....
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Man of Faith on December 18, 2016, 11:02:21 PM
Earth is perhaps an illusion, but it works and functions as a world to its inhabitants.

And shame on you for selling books or promoting someone selling them for profit. That is truly two-faced.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Adam The Warner on December 18, 2016, 11:44:50 PM
Do you like pie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLxzPIu9-1o
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Adam The Warner on December 18, 2016, 11:49:12 PM
Or if you prefer donuts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKDPZrCZwA

If you would like a coke or a pizza, then just ask me :)!
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Cerberus on December 19, 2016, 01:02:11 AM
Michio Kaku (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michio_Kaku) said: "We actually have a candidate for the mind of God. The mind of God we believe is cosmic music, the music of strings resonating through 11 dimensional hyperspace. That is the mind of God"

Earth ? You need to catch up.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: hansolo on December 19, 2016, 04:31:14 AM
Earth is perhaps an illusion, but it works and functions as a world to its inhabitants.

And shame on you for selling books or promoting someone selling them for profit. That is truly two-faced.

Man of Faith, why so rude ? Cant we have a little bit of sarcasm in the forum ;) ?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Sabrinasaidso on December 19, 2016, 04:38:49 AM
Of course the earth IS flat (http://youtube.com/watch?v=zOkX8EiwPRQ)  :yay: and immovable..
The baseless idea that we live on a spinning, flying orb is pure fiction.

Do Wakas, Jafar and co. even read the Quran with understanding ?

(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15442344_1374336819243231_5990099682146896072_n.jpg?oh=00cb05e78dd7fd536433a3a715f410c4&oe=58F8E228)

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Adam The Warner on December 20, 2016, 11:27:37 AM
Of course the earth IS flat (http://youtube.com/watch?v=zOkX8EiwPRQ)  :yay: and immovable..
The baseless idea that we live on a spinning, flying orb is pure fiction.

Do Wakas, Jafar and co. even read the Quran with understanding ?

(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15442344_1374336819243231_5990099682146896072_n.jpg?oh=00cb05e78dd7fd536433a3a715f410c4&oe=58F8E228)

Who is the one who comes with photoshopped images and 3d animated videos? Isn't it the flat earth movement?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Sabrinasaidso on December 21, 2016, 05:23:05 AM
Who is the one who comes with photoshopped images and 3d animated videos?

IT IS PHOTOSHOPED but it has to be.
(https://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/images/content/659433main_simmon-lg.jpg)

Says: Data visualizer and graphic designer Rober Simmon, aka. Mr Blue Marble (NASA)

Isn't it the flat earth movement?

Nope! "Flat Earth" advocates - who btw belong to the Truth movement - present genuine/undoctored footages that capture Terra's levelness from way above the required altitude. Unlike the "Ball earth" advocates who rely on blind faith in computer generated imagery and false-authorities (such as the freemasonic nasa, etc). Examples of valid electronic evidence in support of FE, include this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ja94eRVLWEM), this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=tvhFbvY_99o), this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=LIvu9k08n2s), this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOkX8EiwPRQ), and this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=IpzNnPSw7l4) footage. All of these use a rectilinear lens (hence without curvilinear distortion)  ;)

Do you have a non-distorted (raw) footage of a "ball-shaped" earth, Adam ?

Ciao :group:
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: A Submitter on December 21, 2016, 05:39:37 AM
I wonder, what difference does it make if we think earth is flat or round?  :hmm
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Sabrinasaidso on December 21, 2016, 05:45:02 AM
When ALLAH (the Creator of Earth) teaches you Doctrine A (earth is flat and stationary)
While NASA teaches you Doctrine B instead (spherical and in motion)? And you choose to trust NASA ?  :yay:

Not much of a difference, for the kuffar I guess.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: A Submitter on December 21, 2016, 05:46:56 AM
When ALLAH (Almighty) teaches you Doctrine A (earth is flat and stationary)
While NASA teaches you Doctrine B instead (spherical and in motion) ?
And you choose to trust NASA ?  :yay:

Not much of a difference, for the kuffar I guess.

What are the verses for doctrine A?

Salam
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Sabrinasaidso on December 21, 2016, 05:53:36 AM
Please do extract all the verses that describe the earth in the Quran.

Then do your homework, if you can reason and understand what the author is transmiting.

I can't hand-feed you at the moment, because I'm working.
Perhaps later on :yay:

Ciao.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: huruf on December 21, 2016, 06:02:05 AM
Everything under the sun on the shape and movement of the earth has been discussed very recenntly in a few threads. Couldn't you go and read them and then add on them instead of starting againfrom the very beginning?

Salaam
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: A Submitter on December 21, 2016, 06:07:46 AM
Please do extract all the verses that describe the earth in the Quran.

Then do your homework, if you can reason and understand what the author is transmiting.

I can't hand-feed you at the moment, because I'm working.
Perhaps later on :yay:

Ciao.
I'm sure you can help instead  :D. I'll wait in excitement!  :handshake:

Salam
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Layth on December 21, 2016, 08:12:43 AM
Salam,

I have not looked into this thread in detail, but I see all the planets with a telescope as "circular" so I wonder why Earth has been magicaly deviated into a "flat" planet?!
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Sabrinasaidso on December 21, 2016, 08:39:02 AM
Salam,

Salam admin :yay:

I have not looked into this thread in detail, but I see all the planets with a telescope as "circular" so I wonder why Earth has been magicaly deviated into a "flat" planet?!

Non sequitur !

Circular logic is your core fallacy, layth!
What makes you think Earth is a planet/celestial orb (wandering star) ?
Isn't the counterpart of Earth (Ardh) in the Quran the heaven (Sma') instead ?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Bender on December 21, 2016, 09:32:18 AM
When ALLAH (the Creator of Earth) teaches you Doctrine A (earth is flat and stationary)
While NASA teaches you Doctrine B instead (spherical and in motion)? And you choose to trust NASA ?  :yay:

Not much of a difference, for the kuffar I guess.

Are you by any chance a reincarnation of a former member?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Adam The Warner on December 21, 2016, 02:20:35 PM
When ALLAH (the Creator of Earth) teaches you Doctrine A (earth is flat and stationary)
While NASA teaches you Doctrine B instead (spherical and in motion)? And you choose to trust NASA ?  :yay:

Not much of a difference, for the kuffar I guess.

Where does God tell us in the Quran that the earth is flat?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: savage_carrot on December 21, 2016, 06:18:18 PM
Are you by any chance a reincarnation of a former member?

Of course he is. Can't let go apparently, the gravity of the flat earth is too strong.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: hanslan on December 21, 2016, 07:28:17 PM
too many are just attached to this world, can't let go..... then how are you going to be ready for the next?

gravity remains a theory.  We don't know whats below us or above us.  Scientific findings are not conclusive and in fact can be opposite to theory, still open for debate thus logical reasoning calls for flexibility in mind set.

I tot the clergyman was right, until I read the Quran then found out all the inconsistencies out there. 
Similarly I tot scientist were truth seekers until I found out there were other agendas out there.

According to my understanding of the Quran, the place we live on is an expanse with layers above and below.  Each layer is an expanse itself with unknown limits.  The space between layers is a large distance requiring gateways to pass through them...even my understanding is incomplete or wrong.  Are there dimensions? or just inability to perceive due to limitation in senses?  Do aliens exist or are they just terrestrial beings with technology or attributes that we cannot perceive with our senses? 

Believe in the unseen.  Do or do not, there is no try.  Beware of being too attach to this world.

 
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: mike789 on December 21, 2016, 11:19:48 PM
There are somethings which are not easy to prove or disprove. But when it comes to Earth being flat, it is something that you can do experiments and see it for yourself that it is actually flat and not a spinning ball or spheroid.  Look at curvature chart and ask yourself why is Chicago skyline visible from Michigan? It should be hidden behind miles of curvature. If the Earth was a spinning ball, you wouldn't need airplanes anymore. You would just fly a helicopter, go up and wait for your destination to come and just land. According to NASA Earth is spinning at the rate of 1670 kilometers/hour.  And if the Earth was a ball, then it means the World's oceans have curved water,  when in fact water level is always flat. There are hundreds of examples. Google: 200 proofs the earth is not a spinning globe.

Here are some Quranic verses related to Flat Earth.

According to the Qur?an:

The sun and moon are both in ceaseless motion
The sun and moon run for a fixed term
The day hastens after the night
The earth is fixed (no concept of a turning ball)
The earth is flat and spread out like a carpet while the sky is a physical structure
God holds the sky up

And he made serviceable to you the sun and the moon, both ceaseless.
And he made serviceable to you the night and the day.
(14:33)

God it is who raised up the heavens
Without pillars you can see.
Then he took his place upon the throne.
And he made serviceable the sun and the moon
Each running for a named term.
He directs the matter.
He sets out and details the proofs
That you might be certain of the meeting with your lord.
(13:2)

Your lord is God who created the heavens and the earth in six days
Then took his place upon the throne.
He covers the night, the day hastening after it constantly.
And the sun and the moon and the stars are made serviceable by his command.
In truth: to him belong the creation and the command.
Blessed be God
The Lord of All Mankind!
(7:54)

Is not he who made the earth a fixed lodging
And made rivers in its midst
And made firm mountains therein
And made a barrier between the two seas?
(Is there any god with God??
The truth is: most of them know not.)
(27:61)

Who made the earth for you a carpet
And the sky a structure
And sent down from the sky water
Then brought forth thereby some fruits as provision for you.
So make not equals to God.
And you know.
(2:22)

Hast thou not considered how God made what is in the earth serviceable to you
And the ship runs upon the sea by his command
And he holds the sky lest it fall on the earth save by his leave?
God is to mankind
Most kind
Merciful.
(22:65)
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: mike789 on December 21, 2016, 11:30:23 PM
too many are just attached to this world, can't let go..... then how are you going to be ready for the next?

gravity remains a theory.  We don't know whats below us or above us.  Scientific findings are not conclusive and in fact can be opposite to theory, still open for debate thus logical reasoning calls for flexibility in mind set.

I tot the clergyman was right, until I read the Quran then found out all the inconsistencies out there. 
Similarly I tot scientist were truth seekers until I found out there were other agendas out there.

According to my understanding of the Quran, the place we live on is an expanse with layers above and below.  Each layer is an expanse itself with unknown limits.  The space between layers is a large distance requiring gateways to pass through them...even my understanding is incomplete or wrong.  Are there dimensions? or just inability to perceive due to limitation in senses?  Do aliens exist or are they just terrestrial beings with technology or attributes that we cannot perceive with our senses? 

Believe in the unseen.  Do or do not, there is no try.  Beware of being too attach to this world.

 

Yes there is no such thing as gravity.   They say gravity is holding people, giant rocks, cars , oceans etc in Australia upside down, yet at the same time gravity allows clouds to move freely, fish to freely swim in the ocean, birds to fly.  Gravity must be magic. How is it possible that it can hold a large rock or heavy car which is supposedly upside down but it is not strong enough to prevent a bird from flying?  The scientist gods have misled a lot of people with their magical theories.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Novice on December 22, 2016, 02:08:08 AM
Yes there is no such thing as gravity.   They say gravity is holding people, giant rocks, cars , oceans etc in Australia upside down, yet at the same time gravity allows clouds to move freely, fish to freely swim in the ocean, birds to fly.  Gravity must be magic. How is it possible that it can hold a large rock or heavy car which is supposedly upside down but it is not strong enough to prevent a bird from flying?  The scientist gods have misled a lot of people with their magical theories.

May be you are correct as long as birds do not try to fly with their wings tied and fish do not try to swim without air in their bodies and without using their fins.

Why don't you prove that there is no gravity by throwing a bird from the top of a building with her wings tied?

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Cerberus on December 22, 2016, 02:48:44 AM
Yes there is no such thing as gravity.   They say gravity is holding people, giant rocks, cars , oceans etc in Australia upside down, yet at the same time gravity allows clouds to move freely, fish to freely swim in the ocean, birds to fly.  Gravity must be magic. How is it possible that it can hold a large rock or heavy car which is supposedly upside down but it is not strong enough to prevent a bird from flying?  The scientist gods have misled a lot of people with their magical theories.

When ignorance speaks, amazing!

Do you even know what you breath ? Or they say it's something like air ? Or do you breath gravity ? lol my friend this whole debate is only time consuming and ego feeding. The fact or not that earth is round/flat/whatever won't change much in your life, especially if you are too lazy to conduct an actual research and studies rather than follow what seems logical to you by conspiracy theorists to fill in the gaps made by your ignorance of the subject, and the subject is "Law of Physics", that use Mathematics. It's not about proving the shape of the earth, it's to prove Law of physics and the mathematics used wrong. And by the way, birds fly because of air..and their wings that push air down, not gravity.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Bender on December 22, 2016, 06:00:34 AM
Of course he is. Can't let go apparently, the gravity density of the flat earth is too strong.
A typical virtual transsexual reincarnation.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Noon waalqalami on December 22, 2016, 09:00:23 AM
Look at curvature chart and ask yourself why is Chicago skyline visible from Michigan? It should be hidden behind miles of curvature.

Peace -- per Qur'an 17:36
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607061.130#msg396170

Perhaps visit Michigan City, IN then drive to Saint Joseph, MI on a clear day and verify for yourself if you can see Chicago across the lake? Also suggest learn basic trigonometry.

https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=30&h0=10&unit=imperial

Most that believe in flat earth like numerologists are ignorant of basic math, science, and distances involved e.g. if giant alien was to hold the globe between his hands as people due in a class room, the distance from the earth's highest point Mt. Everest elevation: 29,029 feet to Mariana Trench deepest part of the ocean -35,994 feet -- it would be smoother than the groves on his fingertips and likewise would not even feel the wetness of the oceans; therefore one has to travel far away to see the globe's circle.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Alper88 on December 22, 2016, 09:01:18 AM
Peace,

I didn't quite made up my mind about this subject yet... but I gotta be honest.. the flat earth theory sounds more logical to me until now. Here are some interesting documentaries I encountered:

True World | Flat Earth Documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=debcXgOi0T0

Learning Curve | Unveiling the Flat Earth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1DQSBI42Eg

Epic Deception | Flat Earth Documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBuPiVzQLxo

The same Youtube channel also has other short videos answering a lot of questions being asked here.


This article is also interesting:

Quran and the Firmament: http://quran-mystery.blogspot.nl/2015/12/quran-speaks-about-firmament-of-heavens.html

And a short Youtube video by flat earth muslims: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTI1VRrLqro


 Let's all just do our own research without hurting each other's feelings :group:

Quran 39:18: "The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence."
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Alper88 on December 22, 2016, 09:04:25 AM
Salam,

I have not looked into this thread in detail, but I see all the planets with a telescope as "circular" so I wonder why Earth has been magicaly deviated into a "flat" planet?!

Salam brother Layth,

You could watch the documentaries I posted above. Peace.

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SjkTfblHud8/VwssqVszbAI/AAAAAAAAQ1Y/P9V98_1NCjYmT_bq1fG0iskSqRtzGI32A/s1600/flat.jpg)
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Adam The Warner on December 22, 2016, 11:41:43 AM
When ignorance speaks, amazing!

Do you even know what you breath ? Or they say it's something like air ? Or do you breath gravity ? lol my friend this whole debate is only time consuming and ego feeding. The fact or not that earth is round/flat/whatever won't change much in your life, especially if you are too lazy to conduct an actual research and studies rather than follow what seems logical to you by conspiracy theorists to fill in the gaps made by your ignorance of the subject, and the subject is "Law of Physics", that use Mathematics. It's not about proving the shape of the earth, it's to prove Law of physics and the mathematics used wrong. And by the way, birds fly because of air..and their wings that push air down, not gravity.

I agree with Cib.

I bet most of us (the camps) never tried to search beyond the videos of NASA or the videos which are being build by flat-earthers.

I actually tried to believe in the flat-earth because i wanted to know the truth, but my head went berserk in just 3 days.

So, lets not forget we are chatting about the creation of God. Denying the work of God isn't a smart thing..
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Adam The Warner on December 22, 2016, 11:46:46 AM
At least lets focus on the same goal we all have here on this forum. To share the message, the Quran alone, with others, especially sectarian people who are still stuck in that horrible prison.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Blue_Lobster on December 22, 2016, 01:49:29 PM
Salam.

I have been on the fence about this thing, until I discovered some things that have never been made public about the members who founded NASA in the late fifties. Also, I was privy to some info about the Jesuits, and how their order was established in the fifteenth century, at around the same time that Copernicus was being encouraged to publish his book on the motion of heavenly bodies. By putting 2 and 2 together, it became clear to me that indeed the entire world has been victim of a great big deception which has all but shaped our consciousness about the reality we are living in, in a way that suits the interests of the Taghout  (the spiritually wicked controllers who are in high places).

I am of the belief that the countdown to the end of NASA and all those smaller players who rotate in its orbit (intentional pun here  8) ) like SpaceX and other national space agencies, has already begun.

Just to set some things straight here, and out of the way:

Quote
I have not looked into this thread in detail, but I see all the planets with a telescope as "circular" so I wonder why Earth has been magicaly deviated into a "flat" planet?!

Peace, Layth.

First, I encourage you to research what the word "planet" actually means. In case you are not aware, it comes from Greco-Latin planetea, which any dictionary will tell you means: something that moves, travels, or wanders.

The Greeks categorized the heavenly bodies (asteri)  in two groups: asteri and asteri planetis.

To put it plainly in English, this would be: stars and wandering stars.


Now the plain stars are either fixed (like Polaris), or follow a regular, slow pattern. This is what we refer to today as simply "stars". The so-called "planets" are simply "wandering stars".  To give examples, phenomena like Sirius, Vega, Betelgeuse, Alpha Centauri and other names (just names that humans made up) are static in comparison with bodies like Mars, Venus, Jupiter, etc... These latter ones are called "wandering stars", because they follow more erratic, or dynamic courses in the sky.

As strange as this sounds, but it is actually 100% true. The heavenly bodies are all nothing more than luminaries, or technically just lamps in the sky. They are very similar in nature, and only distinguished by the patterns of their motions. But most importantly, they are close to us. Much much closer than certain tricksters and CGI artists have been telling us.


In the Koran, we have the terms kawkab and misbah used to describe them. And these two words (respectively: shining luminary and lamp) are 100% in agreement with what the Greeks said (never mind Pythagoras, for now) and with what we realize with our own senses, and with the aid of a simple light (non-digital) telescope, or even a camera with a strong zoom capability. They are just lights in the sky. They are not solid objects, nor are they gas giants (other suns) thousands of times the size of Earth, and trillions of miles away.


Now, the term "planet Earth", or kawkab ardhi  are both oxymorons of catastrophic dimensions, brother. As Sabrinasaido said, and I will rephrase his question:

Do you honestly believe that you are living on a moving luminary?

Earth is not a planet at all. It is a fixed, motionless realm. This is the word that comes closest to describing it: realm. It is a different animal all together, and your logic is very seriously flawed, sir.  It is no different than saying: ?Well, if all the billiard balls are spherical, then the table they are on must be spherical as well?.  No. The balls and the table serve different purposes.


All you need to prove this is simple observation, common sense, and washing your mind of what you have been programmed with since childhood: indoctrination programs established by the very Satanic Jesuit order, deftly preached and infiltrated in all societies of the world by means of the Masonic manipulators in high places. This will be shown to you very soon, I promise.  As Yoda said, you must "unlearn what you have learned", if you wish to wake up in time to avoid being taken by the End Game deception that they are planning. :jedi:

If you want experiments to prove that the Earth does not move at all, and that it is the heavenly lamps (along with the sun and moon) which follow fixed or dynamic, appointed patterns above us, all you need is look up the following undebunkable experiments which were done in the late 19th and early 20th century:


Airey's Failure Experiment.
Mickelson-Morley Experiment
Sagnac Experiment


Do your best to educate yourself about these, because you have to be aware of the other side?s argument.


These experiments, until today, have never been refuted. So, as a means of finding their way around them, the Masonic Priests of the Taghout have simply chosen to remain silent on them, and never to include them in any science textbook. There is an English professor in a very prestigious university who exposed this fact, not too long ago, and many students of physics have been quite shocked when they found out that these three experiments are never talked about, and remain unknown to the public.


To find a solution to these three problematic experiments, the powers-that-be resorted to a fraudulent clown by the name of Einstein, who quite literally came to their rescue with his theory of relativity (a combination of pseudo-science, metaphysical philosophy, and mathematical magic to boggle the mind). They simply claimed "everything is relative", propagandized this clever subterfuge (zukhruf-al-qawli), and have been teaching it in academics since the 1920's.

Do you know what Einstein said once about riding a bike? He said this, and I kid you not:

?Well we can say the bike is moving with respect to the ground, or that the ground is moving with respect to a stationary bike. In the end, it?s all relative?.


How simple are their tricks! I guarantee, that if a regular person came in off the street and said these words to you, you would call him a nutcase. But because the propagandized genius Einstein said it, people will stare, wide-eyed, and prostrate themselves to the like of him, and other pseudo-science priests and occult mathematicians. 

Read the wise words of Nikola Tesla (another figure who they hate and despise, and therefore will not teach you about in the school textbooks):

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Tesla was a real, experimental scientist, with over 100 inventions to his name, and a hero who wanted to give free energy to all humanity.
Einstein was a fraud, a Zionist, and in league with the Jesuits. You can find photos on the internet of him getting cozy with their leaders. It?s all there, in our faces. But we have been too distracted and dumbed down to see it.

Guess who your school textbooks have made the hero and who the villain?

Can you name a single invention that Einstein came up with for the benefit of humanity? NONE. All he contributed was mathematical formulas and metaphysical constructs, designed to charm and bewilder the gullible "sheeple".


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Can you understand anything you see on that board? Well, it?s okay. You?re not meant to understand. You are only meant to be dazzled and bewildered.  :wow


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All of what we know about the world we are living in has been shaped for us by psychopaths and frauds in positions of power and authority. And they own and control everything, including academics. And they decide what passes as science and what doesn't.  Heliocentrism is a big delusion, designed to keep us blind to the divinity evident all around us, and within ourselves.  None of it is real. It will all go in the same trash can as Evolution, Big Bang, Black Holes, Gravitational Waves, and New Age Enlightenment. It is all destined to fall. My advice is that you jump ship before it does.


Here, I give one instance which begs explanation.


Let?s take the star called Sirius.  These priests who masquerade as ?scientists? tell us that its distance from earth is 8 light years. This unit of measure they invented amounts to 5.8 trillion miles. Multiply this figure by 8, and you end up with about 46 trillion miles, and that, by their standards, is considered ?close to Earth? (relative to other stars, that is).

Just how is a human mind to cope with such distance? Never mind the stars which they say are thousands of light years away. Can you translate that into numbers? And yet, all it takes is a simple camera with a decent zoom lens, to see Sirius for what it really is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mWeYZhILFI


Compare what the heavenly luminaries really look like, with what the priests of fraud and CGI have been imagining for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdNFo5eWf9g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJJ_z6pwUrE


Which version of Mars do you prefer? The NASA ? Hollywood terra firma ?Red Planet?, or the twinkling luminary (kawkab) that the Koran and your own eyes relate to you?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abLKzCaenvE


Reprogram your mind, look with your own eyes and use common sense. Immediately, you will see the deception for what it is.

These heavenly lights are close to us. They cannot be more than a few hundred miles above our heads. We see them twinkling in the night sky, and wonder what they are (as the song says). Well, here is exactly what they are: Pulsating, colorful lamps adorning the night sky.  They are neither nuclear, nor gaseous, in nature, and they are most certainly not solid worlds that the CGI masters of NASA can put landers on and send astronauts (or should that be astroNOTS) to.


Why else would the Koran say that the lower heaven was adorned with lamps? Does ?lower heaven? , in your mind, jive with 46 trillion miles?



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Who is the one who comes with photoshopped images and 3d animated videos? Isn't it the flat earth movement?


So much hypocrisy and arrogance in this statement,  :nope:  especially since it has been shown that NASA are the undisputed masters of CGI and photoshop.  That man in the picture posted above is a NASA employee who, from his own mouth, admits that all they are giving us are images constructed by means of a computer. His exact words: ?We know it?s photoshoped. But it has to be?.

How nice! These ?experts? can supposedly give us photos of galaxies thousands of light years away, yet they cannot even turn their damn telescopes around and snap a real photo of the Earth. Instead, they give us ?ribbons of imagery taken by a satellite, which are then put together into a computer and merged into a composited, digital image?.  I don?t know about you, but this does not sound like an explanation. It sounds more like a lame excuse designed to distract, and confound minds, by sounding ?scientific?.

Never mind the fact that their ?satellites? are not more than high altitude balloons and surveillance drones, I?m calling bullshit on that one.


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I wonder, what difference does it make if we think earth is flat or round?

I hope you are only being sarcastic, here. Because otherwise, the future of humanity looks very bleak indeed.

Earth is a realm. Not a planet. And this reality is the most important subject under the sun.


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Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: huruf on December 22, 2016, 02:49:38 PM
That Einstein is a pretender blow out o proportion by the "free world" machine I do not have and have never had any quarrel with that. But that Einstein is a pretender does not prove that the earth is a flat disc and not  near spherical body. Those are two different things. In the sme way that Evolution is not a synonim of Darwin, nother science God promoted by the imperials.

And I m a great liker of Tesla, but again that does ot prove that the earth is a flat disc.

The shape of the earth is not a question of who are the good or the bad ones. It is not  matter of likes or dislikes but a question of provable facts or disprovable facts.

Salaam
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Noon waalqalami on December 22, 2016, 11:32:30 PM
Read the wise words of Nikola Tesla ...

Peace -- why flat earth people keep bringing up Tesla?

"Electric current, after passing into the earth travels to the diametrically opposite region of the same and rebounding from there, returns to its point of departure with virtually undiminished force. The outgoing and returning currents clash and form nodes and loops similar to those observable on a vibrating cord. To traverse the entire distance of about twenty-five thousand miles, equal to the circumference of the globe, the current requires a certain time interval, which I have approximately ascertained."-- Nikola Tesla  A means for furthering Peace

Again, learn basic trigonometry; simple stuff; pick a tree or building drive away in any direction look back; use cheap binoculars whatever -- it's certainty it will disappear; verify for yourself...

http://www.ringbell.co.uk/info/hdist.htm

This place is becoming more absurd and devoid of logic; people don't believe in GPS satellites in use everyday for driving directions on their smart phones or guided missiles and drones -- all fake.  :nope:

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Man of Faith on December 30, 2016, 09:40:21 AM
Peace -- why flat earth people keep bringing up Tesla?

"Electric current, after passing into the earth travels to the diametrically opposite region of the same and rebounding from there, returns to its point of departure with virtually undiminished force. The outgoing and returning currents clash and form nodes and loops similar to those observable on a vibrating cord. To traverse the entire distance of about twenty-five thousand miles, equal to the circumference of the globe, the current requires a certain time interval, which I have approximately ascertained."-- Nikola Tesla  A means for furthering Peace

Again, learn basic trigonometry; simple stuff; pick a tree or building drive away in any direction look back; use cheap binoculars whatever -- it's certainty it will disappear; verify for yourself...

http://www.ringbell.co.uk/info/hdist.htm

This place is becoming more absurd and devoid of logic; people don't believe in GPS satellites in use everyday for driving directions on their smart phones or guided missiles and drones -- all fake.  :nope:

All because they wish to fit their flimsy beliefs derived from an equally flimsy interpretation. That is the curse of religion and somebody's dogmatic holy scripture which no one can read properly anyway.

Be well
Amenuel
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: IAMOP on December 30, 2016, 12:54:38 PM
Flat Earth is correct at final day.

Right now it is is in state of:

true vacuum (ذُوالْجَلاَلِ وَالإكْرَامِ)
true living (الْحَيُّ)
batil

Now batil will pass (dissolution, false vacuum => true vacuum)

From outermost, it is curved earth, perfect sphere (seen correctly, 100% perfect sphere in Arsh Azeem Space)
At Qiyamah it expands to infinity - White Light
After Qiyamah you have flawless perfect sphere only الْحَيُّ)ذُوالْجَلاَلِ وَالإكْرَامِ
al-Hayy, Zul-Jalaali-wal-Ikram

This flawless perfect sphere is stretched to infinity so it is perfectly flat as well as perfectly round meaning infinite space and infinite Life.

Proof: Get )

https://vitalvibrations.wordpress.com/pureviewclarity/
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Man of Faith on December 30, 2016, 01:48:34 PM
Not sure what you are getting at, but the so-called universe we live in is a shaped illusion based on an intentional design. But anyways that design seems to be made the way man perceives it and has explored.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on January 01, 2017, 11:00:33 AM
Flat earth ideology is not really about flat earth itself . It's just something, like religion,  people can use to build their identity from... to make them feel special, different and chosen. So in choosing between sober and impartial reason (reality and facts) on one hand, and a sense of worth and value on the other (in fairy tale land) then some choose the latter, because it feels better, no matter how unrealistic it is.

The issue at hand is of course emotions and psychology, not intelligence.

There are so many ways to show the impossibility of the flat earth theory. But all that flat earth people focus on are irrelevant stuff about NASA, UN and the usual thrilling teenage mysteries.

https://youtu.be/JgY8zNZ35uw
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Amino66 on January 10, 2017, 05:00:43 AM
Flat  earth  is  another  part  of the  puzzle  in addition  to  the scripture  only  movement . ..
The  initial  reaction  you  get  from  a globalist  is  the same  as  the  one  you  get  from a tradition  believer  with  regards  to Quran  only . ..
I also  believe  that  there  are  other  parts  of deception . .that  when  put  together  everyone  will be  able  to  see  the scam  we've  been  living .
Theories  are  not  science  and photos  are not proofs . ..reason  and  common  sens  are  the  tools  to  get  to  know  about  what  real  and  what  is a lie .
If millions  were  duped in believing  in nonsensical  Hadiths  through  oral  tradition, how  difficult  will  be  to convince  the  same  people  anything  using  pseudo  science ?
Peacefully  yours 
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Scribbler on January 10, 2017, 09:55:23 AM
Lately I have been doing a lot of research on the flat earth topic, and I have to say that the more I do research, the flatter the earth gets.  :P

Can someone please explain to me this discrepancy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94PpTmOMXfQ


Salaam.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Bender on January 10, 2017, 11:47:24 AM
I am not an astronaut to say something about the visibility of stars from the moon, but the earth is a globe that is not a theory but a fact.

And believing in a particular shape of earth has absolutely nothing to do with believing in God.
I mean, you will not get extra virgins if you believe  in the correct shape of earth and you will not get extra fire if you believe in some other shape from what it really is, at least I hope so.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on January 10, 2017, 02:37:20 PM
Theories  are  not  science  and photos  are not proofs . ..reason  and  common  sens  are  the  tools  to  get  to  know  about  what  real  and  what  is a lie.

As far as 'theories are not science', you are right. But where does that leave the Flat Earth theory?... especially when in the Flat Earth Worldview it is not acceptable to make observations, draw conclusions and use math and such? What do you base your Flat Earth theory on really?

Let's just call Flat Earth for what it is. A religion based on emotional identity seeking. It's all about the comforting and elevating feeling of belonging to an exclusive group that has been shown the light and truth... a blessed few, above the ignorant masses lost in their folly.

Some people believe Jesus is both the one begotten sacrifice son of God, and God himself at the same time, and some people believe it was possible to sit on a Burraq and physically fly to the heavens to bargain with God about the number of prayers. Without these fantastic stories, to these people, God fades away in mundane everyday life. Like so, to many Flat Earth followers, there is no point or proof of God unless there is a glass dome over a disc Earth. It is like when religious people discover bad stuff in their religion, and then turn atheist. I guess God was just a mere by-product of their world view.

To get anywhere it is helpful to discuss the actually matters at hand... like math and stuff. Unless of course math is evil and a deception. But hey, don't fret or worry. God is there no matter the shape or conclusion.

BTW
Did you watch this (https://youtu.be/JgY8zNZ35uw)?

Peace
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on January 10, 2017, 03:08:33 PM
Lately I have been doing a lot of research on the flat earth topic, and I have to say that the more I do research, the flatter the earth gets.  :P

How'bout researching this (https://youtu.be/JgY8zNZ35uw) also?

I mean, in the interest of balance, fairness and intellectual honesty.
You won't be able to find any factual faults, and you won't be able to come up with any reasonable and solid arguments to back up your presumed rejection with.

It is after all quite easy to destroy the Flat Earth theory.
And no, Round Earth does NOT depend on moon landings or space travel!

Peace
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Bender on January 11, 2017, 03:04:40 AM
Peace -- why flat earth people keep bringing up Tesla?

I've noticed that once you go flat you have to go for the whole package.
This means that besides believing in a flat earth you also have to:
- Praise Lord Tesla and hate devil einstein
- Deny math
- Deny gravity
- Deny sattelites
- Deny there are 2 celestial poles and deny the opposite movement of the stars in the southern hemisphere
- Condemn NASA because they are the propaganda machine of the devil and have faith in youtube scientists.
- Believe Antarctica surrounds Earth
etc etc etc
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Man of Faith on January 11, 2017, 10:07:07 AM
I've noticed that once you go flat you have to go for the whole package.
This means that besides believing in a flat earth you also have to:
- Praise Lord Tesla and hate devil einstein
- Deny math
- Deny gravity
- Deny sattelites
- Deny there are 2 celestial poles and deny the opposite movement of the stars in the southern hemisphere
- Condemn NASA because they are the propaganda machine of the devil and have faith in youtube scientists.
- Believe Antarctica surrounds Earth
etc etc etc

:rotfl:
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Jafar on January 11, 2017, 10:09:46 AM
like religion,  people can use to build their identity from... to make them feel special, different and chosen. So in choosing between sober and impartial reason (reality and facts) on one hand, and a sense of worth and value on the other (in fairy tale land) then some choose the latter, because it feels better, no matter how unrealistic it is.

Thank you, the above paragraph is quite revealing for me..
Yet another clear cut description about religion...
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on January 12, 2017, 07:11:37 PM
Allah establishes the Truth by His Words
And the truth in His Words/Signs/Verses is that He created the earth as a planar plain
(Look at the evidence presented by members in this thread and other threads or start actually reading Quran, because you're obviously not or perhaps you are purposely being led astray for reasons which you and Allah know)

For those of you claiming this is not a big deal I have but one question.

Does Allah forgive those who turn their back on His Words and deny His Words?

I think there is plenty of evidence within Quran suggesting that denying any part of Allah's Verses may cost you eternity...

So go ahead and keep making mockery and amuse yourselves

You have swallowed the lie from man and denied the Truth from your Creator

Repent and actually properly study the Quran and the topic at hand if you indeed believe,

if not carry on and wait we too are waiting.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on January 12, 2017, 07:30:29 PM
Peace HP_TECH.

There is a difference between " GOD S WORDS" and our understanding of "GOD S WORDS".

If you are talking about your understanding  of "GOD S WORDS" in your post, then other understandings that differ from yours  can also be claimed to be "GOD S WORDS" why not?

Or has your understanding of "GOD S WORDS" come with authority( Bayyinah) form GOD?

For example has GOD said in Qoran that the " Mountains" are moving like the movement of the clouds?
My understanding of this is that the earth must also be moving or is GOD talking about mountains on another planet that you can see?

Actually your own words also fit here,quote:
Repent and actually properly study the Quran and the topic at hand if you indeed believe,

if not carry on and wait we too are waiting.


GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 12, 2017, 09:21:11 PM
For those of you claiming this is not a big deal I have but one question.

Does Allah forgive those who turn their back on His Words and deny His Words?


peace brother.

literal understanding of words and actual understanding of words are two different things...

God will surely forgive everybody who is sincear to God within heart...
even its a flat earther or round earther...

flat earther believes earth is flat , just due to the reason God used literally(flat) word ...
round earther believes earth is round , just due to the reason they already discover its round..

so both of them will not be worried at all if they are sincear and honest in their findings...

only the one who knows the truth and then reject it for ego/competition/benefits will be questioned...

if (literally) God said sun sets in murky water but (actually)we know sun really did not set in murky water...

if somebody really believes blindly in scripture and even if he/she will see the earth round from his/her own eyes they will still claim its flat becoz that's what a human nature... but with a slight difference they will say earth is actually flat but from height its looks round ..nobody can convince them ..

some times I get afraid believing blindly on quran is also a quran idolship..
understand it ,take your time , dnt rush,
becoz the interesting thing about this book is ... you can always find multiple understanding in lot of topics.. its up to you what way you will choose...

by literal understanding of theft punishment you can make it happen to cuttoff the hands of thieves..
but actual understanding will take you on other side of understanding becoz cutting hand is invalid when a thief repent.. how will you join his hands again?

in my childhood I never accepted that punishment , even I could not convince myself ... (I was worried about the mercy of God becoz if somebody steal my thing I would never ever order to cuttoff his hands)
with the passage of time I get to know God cant order cruelty... eye for an eye hand for an hand.. theft for repayment through cutting/marking a person as repayer...

so matter settled... literal understanding is very dangerous
actual understanding is what makes u play your role...?

quran is not a sweetdish that matter settled for the followers already...but its also a test how you understand it... its up to the understanding, by this same quran make terrorists or make peacemakers...

God said matter is not settled until we will test you... even if you claim we believe ..

do not make quran Idol but as source of understanding God...
same goes with everything .. not only the quran is the signs of God there are signs from time to time for everybody ...

now a days a sign called science is helping the (aqiloon) scientists becoz God address them about the signs in heavens and earth its seems God is addressing to the era of science ..

as we know natural selection take uturn to intelligent design that means there is a designer behind all this...
modern science regarding the birth of universe is not rejecting God but givind more evidence that a designer exist who created all this... the theory of accidents birth hold no water when they find out somebody cause that accident with perfect calculation of timings otherwise a millisecond from here to there would collapse all what we see...




Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Man of Faith on January 13, 2017, 01:18:35 AM
The sectarian interpretation of Quran does not explicitly say "the Earth is flat". Actually it does not say much except that the sky is held up without any visible pillars. That is not so impressive an argument claimed to stem from God since air (oxygen = O2) fills the so-called sky and the same atom (O3) in a molecule forms the ozone layer. Of course oxygen is not all out there but the main component is nitrogen, however for us to breathe is oxygen. If God formed the language it would look more impressive than saying "no pillars you can see". It is rather that the Earth itself retains the sky instead of the sky floating out into empty space. Without gravity (the force which pulls us downwards towards Earth) anything would just float away. Obviously gravity as a force is undeniable for a reasonable person. It says itself that anything would eventually float away from the Earth unless something bound it to its surface and navigation in flight would be impossible without inventions such as "magnetic accelerators" (not been invented by man) which could propel a craft from the surface as long as there remains a magnetic field. Anyone living on this planet would die quickly anyway if the planet ceased with its projected gravitational field.

Artificial gravity is possible and even human scientists have explored that. But mankind has not been able to invent a working machine to produce a useful gravity field yet, but it would make space exploration much easier, even just above the sky where the gravitational force is weaker.

Wish proponents of flat Earth would travel to a very high altitude and sense the relief of body weight. Unfortunately 3000 meters is not enough to show a significant loss in weight (only about 0.07 kg for a 70kg person) on a balance so it would require an aircraft. Best is to carry with you an item with an absolute weight.

Be well
Amenuel
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on January 13, 2017, 02:07:34 AM
Peace HP_TECH.
Peace

There is a difference between " GOD S WORDS" and our understanding of "GOD S WORDS".
It depends, however, there is a HUGE difference, I am talking west to east, between " GOD'S WORDS" and YOUR understanding of "GOD'S WORDS" concerning THIS specific matter

If you are talking about your understanding  of "GOD S WORDS" in your post, then other understandings that differ from yours  can also be claimed to be "GOD S WORDS" why not?
Let's not be vague by using understanding we are speaking specifically about one of the Signs of Allah's Creation the earth He created for you and I. He designed it perfectly and beautifully so that you may believe in Him, His Words and The Day of Meeting.
He created in truth yet science refutes the truth by falsehood. Shame on those who choose the guidance of the corruptors and disbelievers.

And let me be bold by affirming without a shroud of doubt that if you assume/believe the earth is a globe after reading Quran and listening/reading the massive evidence which confirms it to not be so then you have no understanding whatsoever. 
Those who hold firm to Allah's Book have understanding and those who pretend are left dumbfounded, asking the believers
"What was said just now?" While evidence was just presented to you and your Lord's Verses were just presented to you in earlier posts. 47:16
You have already denied and rejected, will you believe now? It is the same whether I warn you or do not warn you...

You have NO understanding, therefore your question does not apply in your case or of others who differ.
Also do not ever attempt to place your non-understanding near Allah's Words

Or has your understanding of "GOD S WORDS" come with authority( Bayyinah) form GOD?
Then I ask you, are you prepared to submit to the Truth?

A man from the family of Firaun heeded the people of Misr to follow him that he would guide them in the right direction (sabila al-rashadi). Was he a messenger, a prophet or simply a believer with TRUE understanding and knowledge??
And so I too heed you to follow me concerning this!
You call me to the FIRE! You call me that I should disbelieve in Allah's Words, logic and common sense.
While I call you to the All-Mighty the Oft-Forgiving.
 
For example has GOD said in Qoran that the " Mountains" are moving like the movement of the clouds?
Look asking me what Allah's Words are again. 47:16

Paraphrasing Allah's Words? Too lazy to look up and cite the many Ayaats which mention the mountains being blasted by your Lord? Someone like this is undoubtedly going to have poor to no understanding of The Book.
Especially if you think the verse is mentioning mere movement...  No understanding.
The Ayyas that speak of the mountains on the Approaching Day are alluding to the mountains being pulverized, blasted, reduced to dust and debris like clouds.

My understanding of this is that the earth must also be moving or is GOD talking about mountains on another planet that you can see?
NO UNDERSTANDING WHATSOEVER HAVE YOU

Actually your own words also fit here,quote:Repent and actually properly study the Quran and the topic at hand if you indeed believe,

if not carry on and wait we too are waiting.

I entrust my affair to Allah, Indeed Allah is All-Seer of His slaves

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on January 13, 2017, 02:15:51 AM
peace brother.
It is a simple yes or no
No need for a jumbled essay
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on January 13, 2017, 02:26:32 AM
No need for all that. Just answer one simple post:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607515.msg368077#msg368077

Everyone who has claimed flat earth has ran away from answering. Your turn?

Do not try and make yourself sound big and bad Wakas, that is very irritating especially when you and the admins have done everything possible to censor the flat earth topic and put strikes on me and other members because our arguments based on the Truth from Allah were too fervid for the opposition.

You (the administration collectively) banned me for a month, and did not reply to me concerning an appeal or provide a sound explanation for banning me, when you knew in your heart I had done no wrong!

You (Admins) also moved all of the flat earth threads to the off-topic sections, making it difficult to find the threads!

You ought to be ashamed of yourselves if you are believers.

I will be surprised if you do not make a huge deal out of this post and ban me permanently.

I do not CARE. I will speak my mind. May Allah's Curse be upon all of you, if you censor me for expressing my grief and speaking about His Truth

No matter what you do, look around you more people are waking up, soon you will have no choice but to truly consider the arguments presented to you or perish in hatred and denial

Allah is my protector!  :sun:
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on January 13, 2017, 03:15:50 AM
Peace  HP_TECH

I know you are passionate about "flat earth". I will go easy on you.

I will ignore your detailed answers to my earlier post, not only because they contain your own words without a shred of evidence,but also because I want to spare you some embarrassment. You seemed angry,but I will overlook and forgive your unfair remarks.

It seems your "truth" is blinding you from common sense and simple logic of day.night, seasons,..etc

As for Qoran,it speaks for itself, it does not need you or me to speak on its behalf about the shape of the earth.
Qoran is from the all knowledgeable, GOD will not make a simple "common sense "mistake. He knows how He shaped the earth and it is not "flat"!!!!!
Now ,what has 47:15 got to do with the subject.? I also fail to understand your understanding.
However,GOD bless you brother.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on January 13, 2017, 12:55:47 PM
Peace all,

In any case, those who are interested in the flat/round issue should explore the different avenues that lead to both the flat conclusion and the round conclusion. Actually, it is imperative to investigate the arguments of the "opponent". Usually though, people only look at youtube videos that promote the already chosen stand point. For example, those who are against immigrants will only search out such news and videos that show immigrants in a bad light and then spread the word about how bad immigrants are. It becomes a self reinforcing feed back loop. Also, the material needs to be relevant. E.g. whether or not people have been in space and on the moon has nothing to do with the shape of Earth. Perhaps the moon landing is a scam. But geometry and real life every day experiences shows Earth is round.

If you think the Earth is round, then check out e.g. Eric Dubay's videos and 200 proofs. Examine them and see what he says.
If you think the Earth is flat, then check out e.g. those vids I have linked to in several posts on this forum.

Peace
 :sun:
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Wakas on January 13, 2017, 03:34:57 PM
Readers, please add member HPTech to the list of those who have ran away from answering my simple questions.

 ;D

I'm big and bad, I make flat earthers mad
I turn HPTechs into nervous wrecks
All they do is run away from my questions
try logic and evidence, just some suggestions
but it seems they just cant handle that
much like their earth, their response is flat

 :sun:



Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Cerberus on January 14, 2017, 03:18:00 AM
Why not make a place for Flat earthers, just like I suggested. A Skeptical section for any non scientific claims and extraterestrial things. Oppressing him or anyone else because of his harmless thoughts is not the way.

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Wakas on January 14, 2017, 04:25:52 AM
peace Cerberus,

A new section was discussed by admin but it was decided it was not necessary.

Oppressing him or anyone else because of his harmless thoughts is not the way.

By saying the above, it implies you actually think oppression may be going on in the forum based on someone's beliefs, which implies you actually believe what HPTech implied in his post.

Tip: don't believe everything you read.

(Unless you meant my lyrical repartee was so cutting that it could be classed as oppressing someone..... in which case, fair enough, it was pretty potent)  ;D

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on January 14, 2017, 05:13:23 AM
The only thing we all need are efforts to tackle topics and discussions in objective manners, and when we cannot be objective, at least we should strive to communicate cool-headedly without letting our emotions run amok hurling abuse and judgment upon others.
Either we discuss the topics at hand only, or we don't discuss at all. There is no point is avoiding the actual topics discussed and just finding faults with each other, declaring how mislead, doomed and stupid people are. It's all about maturity.

Cheers all
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on January 14, 2017, 09:29:15 AM
peace Cerberus,

A new section was discussed by admin but it was decided it was not necessary.

By saying the above, it implies you actually think oppression may be going on in the forum based on someone's beliefs, which implies you actually believe what HPTech implied in his post.

Tip: don't believe everything you read.

(Unless you meant my lyrical repartee was so cutting that it could be classed as oppressing someone..... in which case, fair enough, it was pretty potent)  ;D

Are you calling me a liar?

Wakas come let us pray humbly together and invoke the curse of Allah upon the liar.

Allah will settle our affair in Justice.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on January 14, 2017, 03:13:16 PM
Readers, please add member HPTech to the list of those who have ran away from answering my simple questions.

 ;D

I'm big and bad, I make flat earthers mad
I turn HPTechs into nervous wrecks
All they do is run away from my questions
try logic and evidence, just some suggestions
but it seems they just cant handle that
much like their earth, their response is flat

 :sun:
what a geek  :nope:


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Please answer the following:

1) what shape is the sun? -IT APPEARS CIRCULAR 
2) does light travel in a straight line? -NO
3) by "vanishing point" do you mean the sun moves away from an observer VERTICALLY or HORIZONTALLY or something else? In other words, what motion does the sun have in your view? -IT MOVES TOWARDS THE HORIZON
4) how do you explain regions such as iceland which experience months of permanently visible sun, and months of permanently non-visible sun? -EASY THE FORMER ARE LOCATED NEAR THE GEOCENTER OF THE EARTH, SO AS THE SUN TRAVELS AROUND THE PLANE EASTWARD IN ITS TRAJECTORY/ORBIT IT WONT APPEAR TO SET, BECAUSE THESE REGIONS ARE CLOSE AND ALMOST NEAR THE CENTER OF THE "CIRCULAR" TRAJECTORY/ORBIT OF THE SUN.
WHILE THE LATTER REGIONS ARE LOCATED FAR FROM THE GEOCENTER OF THE PLANE AND HENCE FAR FROM THE ORBIT OF THE SUN.
FEW THINGS TO CONSIDER THE FE MODEL CAN PERFECTLY EXPLAIN THESE PHENOMENA YOU HAVE YOUR HEAD TOO FAR UP.... TO CARE TO LEARN THAT.
SUN ORBIT ALTERNATES, ITS TRAJECTORY WIDENS AND SHORTENS CAUSING SEASONAL SHIFT (IMVEO)



Note that your questions reveals how ignorant you are in regards to the topics presented by the theory and in this thread alone.
You don't have the decency to address or respond to any of the evidence presented yet you want others to acknowledge your questions. You are so arrogant.
Nevertheless I will respond to you if you address all the evidence in this thread ( I could make it harder on you and ask you to respond to evidence presented in my own threads which you have moved because I was going in too hard on you guys, but I will make it simple and ask you to refute all the evidence in this thread)
If you do not respond then never speak on the topic again.

We should have debate and if I win you shall promise to move all the flat earth threads back to the Science Section.
If I lose I won't ever speak on FE in this forum again.
Do you accept the challenge?

I am that confident about Allah's Truth  :sun:
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Wakas on January 14, 2017, 03:59:56 PM
HPTech,

Thanks for actually attempting to answer my questions.

Re: 1) "it appears circular"
Ok, but is it flat? Feel free to insert a pic of its shape into your post if its easier.

Re: 2)
Evidence?

Re: 3) and 4)
Do you have a video to show what you mean? (ideally it should also have the moon in it)


Since I asked you 4 questions, please present your 4 strongest evidences of flat earth (in your own thread if you want). Part of this evidence can include a Quran verse if you want, if you think it says the earth is flat etc.

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...my own threads which you have moved because I was going in too hard on you guys...

And you call me arrogant  :laugh: hate to break it to you but I don't actually read most of your posts.


Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: savage_carrot on January 14, 2017, 11:15:44 PM
I'm big and bad, I make flat earthers mad
I turn HPTechs into nervous wrecks
All they do is run away from my questions
try logic and evidence, just some suggestions
but it seems they just cant handle that
much like their earth, their response is flat
Don't quit your job yet, the [insert shape of choice] earth isn't quite ready for this ;D

The only thing we all need are efforts to tackle topics and discussions in objective manners, and when we cannot be objective, at least we should strive to communicate cool-headedly without letting our emotions run amok hurling abuse and judgment upon others.
Either we discuss the topics at hand only, or we don't discuss at all. There is no point is avoiding the actual topics discussed and just finding faults with each other, declaring how mislead, doomed and stupid people are. It's all about maturity.

Cheers all
Exactly.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Bender on January 15, 2017, 12:54:45 PM
The day a FE-er comes with a workable 2D world-map (distances between places accurate on scale) I will believe the earth is flat.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: A Submitter on January 15, 2017, 01:37:45 PM
Salam

49:11     
O you who believe, let not any people ridicule other people, for
they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other
women,  for  they  may  be  better  than  they.  Nor  shall  you  mock 
one  another,  or  call  each  other  names;  miserable  indeed  is  the 
name of wickedness after attaining faith.
And anyone who does
not repent, then these are the transgressors.

Salam
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on January 15, 2017, 03:08:04 PM
Don't quit your job yet, the [insert shape of choice] earth isn't quite ready for this ;D

Wakas is serious about music
peace all,

Sometimes I jot down ideas for lyrics or lyrics themselves (I have a dream to complete an album one day). I was bouncing around ideas in my head for a central theme for a song.

Please by all means do not add those whack 4 bars to your works lol
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: savage_carrot on January 15, 2017, 03:28:23 PM
Wakas is serious about music
Please by all means do not add those whack 4 bars to your works lol
Hm, this is an anomaly, I would've thought that falling flat would make it a masterpiece for some? In either case, I present (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vab8qYZ9skc) some lyrics I wish I had written.
The day a FE-er comes with a workable 2D world-map (distances between places accurate on scale) I will believe the earth is flat.
Hope you like waiting for eventual disappointment ;)
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: A Submitter on January 15, 2017, 03:55:05 PM
What is up with the mocking here?  :nope:

We are believers, we should be united, not mock each other because we can't agree whether earth is round or flat. Seek refuge with God from the outcast devil. Haven't you all submitted to God alone? Then we are like brothers and sisters or even closer!
If we all unite then it's from God. Praise be to God, may He unite us the same as He united the previous believers.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on January 15, 2017, 04:00:00 PM
Hm, this is an anomaly, I would've thought that falling flat would make it a masterpiece for some? In either case, I present (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vab8qYZ9skc) some lyrics I wish I had written.
Going round and round is what makes the kiddies hit the ground.
I was totally waiting for the beat to drop at around 1:20 and it never happened, biggest let down of the year.
In terms of lyrics though I am going to have to go with Wakas' four bars sorry...
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on January 15, 2017, 04:10:42 PM
What is up with the mocking here?  :nope:

We are believers, we should be united, not mock each other because we can't agree whether earth is round or flat. Seek refuge with God from the outcast devil. Haven't you all submitted to God alone? Then we are like brothers and sisters or even closer!
If we all unite then it's from God. Praise be to God, may He unite us the same as He united the previous believers.

Dude I love every honest muslimin here :handshake:  :group:
Submitting to Allah Alone includes submitting to His Words and Rationalizing about His Verses with Reason, Humility, Intelligence and Impartiality.

Would you be amicable with one who claims to be Muslimin who has read The Quran, but also claims that all Malaika are females?

I think you'd do everything in your ability to convince them to desist from making such statements, revisit the Book earnestly.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Bender on January 16, 2017, 03:51:31 AM
Wakas is serious about music
Please by all means do not add those whack 4 bars to your works lol

Don't you have anything better to do with your spare time instead of digging in 9 years old threads in hope to find something to use for personal "attacks".

Would you be amicable with one who claims to be Muslimin who has read The Quran, but also claims that all Malaika are females?

This is to deep for me
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Man of Faith on January 16, 2017, 04:37:17 AM
Why not be amicable with someone who claims malaika are females?

Wrong or right, why must one be unfriendly to them?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Bender on January 16, 2017, 04:49:22 AM
Why not be amicale with someone who claims malaika are females?

Wrong or right, why must one be unfriendly to them?

If I understood him correctly then it's not such a big deal if you claim that a couple of malaikats are female, but it's totally not ok if you claim all are females.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: A Submitter on January 16, 2017, 05:49:30 AM
Dude I love every honest muslimin here :handshake:  :group:
Submitting to Allah Alone includes submitting to His Words and Rationalizing about His Verses with Reason, Humility, Intelligence and Impartiality.

Would you be amicable with one who claims to be Muslimin who has read The Quran, but also claims that all Malaika are females?

I think you'd do everything in your ability to convince them to desist from making such statements, revisit the Book earnestly.
Brother, I wasn't addressing you only, but everyone who participated.

I don't know much regarding the shape of Earth in Quran, but why would the shape matter?
Is it worth to break God's laws because some believe earth is round or flat? If Quran doesn't mention it, then let's all agree that the Earth is flat and round; both sides will be happy.

If anyone has anything from Quran regarding the shape of Earth, please post them...

Salam

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Bender on January 16, 2017, 06:13:41 AM
Brother, I wasn't addressing you only, but everyone who participated.
If you were also referring to my "FE-er" then you could tell me how I should call a random person who believes in a flat earth.


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I don't know much regarding the shape of Earth in Quran, but why would the shape matter?
Is it worth to break God's laws because some believe earth is round or flat? If Quran doesn't mention it, then let's all agree that the Earth is flat and round; both sides will be happy.

If anyone has anything from Quran regarding the shape of Earth, please post them...

Salam
Lets all agree that gras is green, red and white because the quran doesn't mention it.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: A Submitter on January 16, 2017, 07:14:12 AM
If you were also referring to my "FE-er" then you could tell me how I should call a random person who believes in a flat earth.

Lets all agree that gras is green, red and white because the quran doesn't mention it.

49:11 O you who believe, let not any people ridicule other people, for
they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other
women,  for  they  may  be  better  than  they.  Nor  shall  you  mock 
one  another
,  or  call  each  other  names;  miserable  indeed  is  the 
name of wickedness after attaining faith. And anyone who does
not repent, then these are the transgressors.

Salam
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Bender on January 16, 2017, 07:25:07 AM
49:11 O you who believe, let not any people ridicule other people, for
they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other
women,  for  they  may  be  better  than  they.  Nor  shall  you  mock 
one  another
,  or  call  each  other  names;  miserable  indeed  is  the 
name of wickedness after attaining faith. And anyone who does
not repent, then these are the transgressors.

Salam

Can you please quote me where I was mocking.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Amino66 on January 16, 2017, 05:46:14 PM
The day a FE-er comes with a workable 2D world-map (distances between places accurate on scale) I will believe the earth is flat.

Why  do we  gave this  attitude . ..which  rely  on others  to do the  maths  for  us...
Everyone  here  has  the brain  to figure  it out . ...
The same  mindset   that  exists  inside  Hadiths  followers  is still  inside  those  who  are  Quran  flowers  but  not  necessarily  free  minded .
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 16, 2017, 07:15:29 PM
guys if i recall bender provided you guys with live timings of the movement of international space station.. on his last thread regarding space station..

i wonder when people critise on evidences with proven facts by science community and considering them fake without the presence of any evindence of fakery...

on a certain level flat earth commnity didnt take evidences from whole science community along with all space agencies but when they are asked to provide proof they again rely on youtube videos uploaded by anyone around the globe..

question arises here who is to trust....

nasa along with other agencies or youtube videos ?

the most upsetting part is this issue is the issue of science more than religion... we cannot approach this issue with the lens of religion or faith... it has really nothing to do with religion..
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on January 17, 2017, 01:21:37 AM
FE says it is against common sense that we are living on the surface of a globe that spins in space. Yet they find it reasonable that the domed disc earth is continuously and forever accelerating in an "upward" direction, giving rise to an apparent force of gravity.
The problem is when emotions block the faculty of reason. The brain and mind are fascinating. On one topic we can be totally sober and reasonable, while on another we become totally devoid of sense and reason. No wonder the world looks the way it does.
Peace
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Bender on January 17, 2017, 04:38:38 PM
Why  do we  gave this  attitude . ..which  rely  on others  to do the  maths  for  us...
Do the math exactly for what? I don't get what you are trying to say.

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Everyone  here  has  the brain  to figure  it out . ...
Figure out that it's impossible to project a sphere on a plane and keep the geometry? Or do you mean something else?

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The same  mindset   that  exists  inside  Hadiths  followers  is still  inside  those  who  are  Quran  flowers  but  not  necessarily  free  minded .
free minded means?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Bender on January 17, 2017, 04:44:28 PM
@HP_TECH

Just came into my mind.
How does FE theory explain a lunar eclipse?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on January 19, 2017, 05:19:02 PM
FE says it is against common sense that we are living on the surface of a globe that spins in space. Yet they find it reasonable that the domed disc earth is continuously and forever accelerating in an "upward" direction, giving rise to an apparent force of gravity.
The problem is when emotions block the faculty of reason. The brain and mind are fascinating. On one topic we can be totally sober and reasonable, while on another we become totally devoid of sense and reason. No wonder the world looks the way it does.
Peace

No one here has expressed such thoughts.
What a pathetic lie.
Focus on what The Muslimin whom are guided by Allah are saying please.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 19, 2017, 06:06:25 PM
i think if earth  is really motionless then its impossible to describe lunar or solar eclipse.. apart from a word magic


43:30 And when the truth came to them, they said: ?This is magic, and
we reject it.?


and people who beleive in literal quran .. also have issues as we know literally , its not possible for sun to catch moon and same goes with moon  :hmm  like this

36:40 The sun is not required to overtake the moon, nor will the night precede the day; each of them is swimming in its own orbit

1400 years ago people were unaware about lunar and solar eclipse otherwise people surely ask this literal contradiction..

i requested from FE guys to describe the verse of quran below? and then tell me if sun is moving to somewhere or at any destination what is role of earth in the motion of sun... ? i asked this question before ... but didnt get any answer yet..

36:38 And the sun runs to a specific destination, such is the design of the Noble, the Knowledgeable.

peace and God bless you

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Man of Faith on January 20, 2017, 05:03:46 AM
No one here has expressed such thoughts.
What a pathetic lie.
Focus on what The Muslimin whom are guided by Allah are saying please.

Do you imply that you are?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on January 20, 2017, 11:52:51 AM
No one here has expressed such thoughts.

You mean in this thread, or on this forum?
And I was in any case just referring to the FE model in general, and not to any particular person.
What I was referring to is called Universal Acceleration (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Gravity) and is part of the FE model. Perhaps there are various FE models out there, but UA is part of at least one of them.

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What a pathetic lie.

Yes I agree. Claiming that an ever continuing acceleration "upward" would be able to account for the effects of what is generally known as 'gravity' is indeed a clear and pathetic lie.

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Focus on what The Muslimin whom are guided by Allah are saying please.

No, I'm focusing on what what any FE proponent is saying. It's about the topic and arguments, not about the people putting forth the arguments.


So, I was basically showing that people cry "unbelievable!" when looking at one idea, but are ready to support a much crazier one. And this has nothing to do with you. Just referring to FE models in general.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on January 21, 2017, 08:11:30 PM
HPTech,

Thanks for actually attempting to answer my questions.
Wakas,

Know that your questions are not really relevant to the topic, can be easily addressed by both models and do not place any model at advantage or disadvantage...

Re: 1) "it appears circular"
Ok, but is it flat? Feel free to insert a pic of its shape into your post if its easier.
You really bugging out B! How can an orb of light be flat?!
I am going to pretend you were kidding...

Re: 2)
Evidence?
Light travels as a wave, however beams appear to be straight because the length between crests is minute.
https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=2043

Re: 3) and 4)
Do you have a video to show what you mean? (ideally it should also have the moon in it)
I think I was satisfactorily descriptive. There are many videos out there, you can really take your pick. I do not particularly endorse any model which incorporates both sun and moon and I have stated that before, because they have not yet encompassed the synchrony of the luminaries. However, there is an international effort for recording the lunary phases by region. I will hesitate until such efforts have come to fruition, God willing, before endorsing any particular model. There is still a lot to learn about the moon and the Earth and its Signs altogether. We have been looking at the picture in the wrong way this entire time. It is time to apply the scientific method in a honest and unbiased manner.

Since I asked you 4 questions, please present your 4 strongest evidences of flat earth (in your own thread if you want). Part of this evidence can include a Quran verse if you want, if you think it says the earth is flat etc.
1) Non-observable and non-measurable curvature of the earth.

-Whether it is across bodies of water objects can be seen miles away from shores when they should be several feet below horizon and line of sight

-whether it is altitude, via balloons curvature is still undetectable
(please educate yourselves on what fish-eye lenses are and how they function)
[also note that in those aforementioned videos once the camera levels out the horizon is level flat and when it isn?t it oscillates from concave to convex indicating it is neither]

-horizon is always at eye-level and does not drop below eye level as it should if the earth was ?spherical?/oblong/geoid/a ball


2) Explain why ?comets? shooting stars are ONLY observed falling towards the horizon if the earth is a ball.


3) Water being ALWAYS level. If you believe the earth to be a globe then you'd be proposing that water is curved.


4) Quran Verses pertaining Planar Earth Model please take your time with all these and swallow hard.

Earth as a LEVEL plain
18:47
18:98
20:106

Allah SPREADING Earth

MIM DAL DAL MADDA
13:3
15:19
50:7
84:3

FA RA SHIN FARASH
51:48

DAL HA WAW DAHAHA
79:30

TA HA WAW TAHAHA
91:6

SIN TA HA SUTIHAT
88:20

The Sky is a STRUCTURE not empty space

RAISED W/OUT PILLARS INDICATING IT IS A STRUCTURE
AMAD AYN MIM DAL
13:2
31:10

Allah constructed the heaven w STRENGTH
and He is Expanding it
51:47

Sky falling
17:92
22:65
26:187
34:9
52:44


buona fortuna caro mio
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on January 21, 2017, 10:21:17 PM
Please add 55:33 to the verses
Inability to pass beyond regions of the heavens and the earth

Many verses in Quran illustrate the sky being beautified and filled with GUARDS to deter/repel every devil/jinn seeking to approach it or listen to the exalted assembly. Then a flame follows them (shooting stars)

The deen, the heavens and the earth make sense in such a holistic manner in this understanding granted by Allah.
I can attest to the truthfulness of my understanding and whosoever denies this then come let us join hands and pray to our Lord, Allah will settle our affair with ease as he did for the two parties of the boys in the cave with their dog 🐶
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 21, 2017, 10:36:53 PM
HP_tech i requested you to read my post please and apart from that i have another solution very magical one  :jedi:

although you are agreee on the verse that jinns can easily cross the low earth orbit isnt it? so why we did not take help from them and ask them is earth really flat or round  :rotfl:

its true actually i know some of the people who continously communicate with jinn beings and at first i was also thinking they are fooling people...

one day my mobile was lost in house and it was just un explainable for me to doubt on who, finally somebody suggest me with a person who tell things accurately who steal it with the help of jinns... interestingly see how it starts ..

i m not lyeing (promise of God)
before asking anything from me  he writes something in the paper and it appears to me he was also communicating with somebody who i cant see or hear ...

then he hand over that paper to me  and ask me why i came here then i told him my phone lost... and then he say me to open the paper...

the model of my phone...
the date and time of lost
the city from where i belong
my mother name  was already written in the paper.. i was amazed actually...

i forget to tell you my two father sisters were also with me and they also have another relation apart from sisters both are to eachother inlaws i mean the daughte rof ne is married with the son of other one ..

the mysterious person ask from them who you are ?
they say we are sisters and then he add there is one more relation u have and he laughed ...

before that event i never beleived in jinns but what i can do with the experience i had ... so if you are agree to pay a fees for that person i may ask from him about the shape of earth....

what you say shall we take that appraoch ?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on January 22, 2017, 12:08:17 AM
HP_tech i requested you to read my post please and apart from that i have another solution very magical one  :jedi:

although you are agreee on the verse that jinns can easily cross the low earth orbit isnt it? so why we did not take help from them and ask them is earth really flat or round  :rotfl:

its true actually i know some of the people who continously communicate with jinn beings and at first i was also thinking they are fooling people...

one day my mobile was lost in house and it was just un explainable for me to doubt on who, finally somebody suggest me with a person who tell things accurately who steal it with the help of jinns... interestingly see how it starts ..

i m not lyeing (promise of God)
before asking anything from me  he writes something in the paper and it appears to me he was also communicating with somebody who i cant see or hear ...

then he hand over that paper to me  and ask me why i came here then i told him my phone lost... and then he say me to open the paper...

the model of my phone...
the date and time of lost
the city from where i belong
my mother name  was already written in the paper.. i was amazed actually...

i forget to tell you my two father sisters were also with me and they also have another relation apart from sisters both are to eachother inlaws i mean the daughte rof ne is married with the son of other one ..

the mysterious person ask from them who you are ?
they say we are sisters and then he add there is one more relation u have and he laughed ...

before that event i never beleived in jinns but what i can do with the experience i had ... so if you are agree to pay a fees for that person i may ask from him about the shape of earth....

what you say shall we take that appraoch ?

My Lord I seek refuge with You from the suggestions of the evil ones and I seek refuge with You my Lord lest they be present with me.
My Lord help me for they deny me!
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Wakas on January 22, 2017, 04:53:56 AM
HPTech,

I did not find your replies to my questions satisfactory, and I'm not surprised you said there is no model that satisfactorily demonstrates how you think the sun/moon move. Nor do I expect you to ever provide one.

In any case, let's move onto your questions:

Re: 1)
Implying you consider all videos, pictures etc of earth by hundreds (if not thousands) of different people are all fake or modified or whatever, e.g. this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvbN-cWe0A0). I'm content with this answer of yours as readers can make up their own minds.

Re: 2)
http://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/12002/why-can-falling-stars-only-be-seen-moving-down-towards-horizon-not-up-away-from

Re: 3)
Water always levels out (due to earth's gravity). Since the earth is quite vast, when viewing water upon it from very far away, yes it will appear curved because earth's gravity is pulling water down over its vast curved surface.

Re: 4)
This is the crux of your argument. You see, I think you genuinely believe Quran is saying the earth is flat, hence are forced into the view you have. I'm not that interested your points 1-3 above, 4 is where the action is at, so let's analyse the ones you claim are saying the earth is level:

Quote from: HPTech
Earth as a LEVEL plain
18:47
18:98
20:106

In 18:47 I assume the word you are referring to is BaRiZ (http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=brz#(18:47:6)). Obviously you opt for it to mean "level", however:
1) various translators translate that word differently
2) Classical arabic dictionaries give multiple meanings for that word which fit
3) if you check its other occurrences in Quran it does not suggest "level", e.g. 40:16

BUT even if we were to choose the meaning of "level" it is discussing what you (i.e. a person) will see once the mountains are removed and of course one would see the earth levelled/flat in every direction upto the horizon. Note that it says after this is done, not prior so it doesn't help your argument.


Re: 18:98 doesn't even mention the earth. Perhaps you meant 89:21. Again multiple options exist from classical arabic dictionaries that fit. And even if you were to take it to mean level/flatten, it implies it was not prior - so doesn't help your argument at all, if anything it goes against it.

Re: 20:106
Again if anything this goes against your argument. It is clearly saying that after the mountains are removed the earth will be left level (if one opts for that option/meaning), clearly implying it is not level prior. Bear in mind it seems to be referring to the end times hence anything could happen anyway.







Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on January 22, 2017, 06:08:33 AM
FE theory is crazy.

It claims that the sun moves past us in the sky, disappearing from sight because of distance.
Then why doesn't it reduce in apparent size as it moves farther and farther away?
Everything else in the world does.

The answer is of course that the theory of perspective is complete nonsense. The whole point of perspective is that objects farther away appears smaller than objects nearby. In this case, the FE theory goes flatly against real world observations, which is ironic since the FE proponents usually claims that all we need to see the truth is plain and common observations.

So, the sun sets behind the horizon, regardless of its own shape and the shape of Earth. Even if Earth was flat, the way the sun behaves would mean that it sets behind and below the rim of the disc.



And bytheway, what sort of curve would the sun need to move along if it would disappear due to distance AND move across the sky as we see it??

Below is what we observe (in e.g. UK) and what the FE model says. That is, the sun moves in a curve from east to west.

(https://s30.postimg.org/xbimqt6cx/image.jpg)

But, when the sun rises in the east, it would approach directly at us from a far distance. That is what the FE Law of Perspectives say! Then it would pass in front of us in the south. Then it would start moving straight away from us the more it moves to the west, so that it can set as per the FE Law of Perspectives.

See the image below.
(https://s27.postimg.org/6g98hvuoj/image.jpg)
When looking at the sun as it is rising (line of sight A, in image), it would have to be very far away, as per FE Law of Perspectives. Then it passes south of us, being close and large (B). Finally, it would move away from us, setting, which according to the Law of Perspectives means that it goes so far away from us that it disappears (C).

It is necessary as per the FE Law of Perspectives that the sun is much farther away as it rises or sets. Just a little farther away won't do, as it has do disappear. A setting sun is disappearing. If you look at the FE model below, the sun's distance from UK at sunrise, midday and sunset doesn't vary much, and especially not as much as would be required for it to disappear due to perspective!

(http://www.testingtheglobe.com/images/EarthSunMoon.gif)

Such a curve, required for the rising and setting of the sun as per the FE theory of Law of Perspectives, would rather be the opposite of what both the FE theory itself tells us, and of course opposite to real world observations.
Funny.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Man of Faith on January 22, 2017, 12:57:24 PM
Why does the compass work for the FE people, Zulf?

How can it be satellites in the sky?

What is it that we behold in a telescope when aiming it towards the sky at night?

Has no one been able to see the ISS station in orbit around the planet?

What are meteors and meteorites? Does God throw down rocks on us?

Why is it that boats seen traveling far away in the horizon appear to be sinking into the water?

Where is the sun at night and the moon at day? Sometimes the moon is visible during daylight quite ruling out that the sun is not to bla bla the moon. We know the moon is not visible because the Earth is in such position, but somewhere on Earth it is visible. The Earth's surface is always lit by the sun somewhere making it difficult to justify a flat Earth since something would need to block it.

Tired of writing more.

Be well
Amenuel
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on January 22, 2017, 01:48:21 PM
Tired of writing more.

 ;D For some reason, I actually enjoy the FE topic. But I'm careful not making FE debunking a hobby ;D
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 23, 2017, 02:16:46 AM
My Lord I seek refuge with You from the suggestions of the evil ones and I seek refuge with You my Lord lest they be present with me.
My Lord help me for they deny me!

 :o

common brother now i become evil for you...

look at it i m actually trying to help you...

there is evil and good in everything , up to the person what benefit he/she get from it...

for example... there is an evil and good in science...
either make a mobile and talk with your beloved from miles away...
or make an atom bomb to kill civilians of herosheema and nagasaki...

the jinns beings are also good and bad. and for the sake of science and knowledge you can assist with them...

look sometimes God also give us hint that the assembly of jinn and men if they assist eachother they cant make a book like this...

so its mean we can work together ... lol

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Bender on February 04, 2017, 06:31:39 AM
:rotfl:  :bravo: Love the pic, Darlin'.  :rotfl:

Go get 'em tiger!

It feels like you just went super saiyan there.  :rotfl:

 :rotfl:  ;D

OMG!  :hypno: Where have you been all my life? You joined freeminds for this thread? Unconditional dedication to the flat earth movement. I've never met a more passionate person in my life.
Do you have a Band-Aid? Because I just scraped my knee falling for you.
 :! You could be the Alex jones to my Donald trump.  :yes

You just opened Pandora's box again  :brickwall:
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on February 04, 2017, 08:11:54 AM
Who is gonna be Prometheus, this time around?  :'(
 :'( Fear not, Undesignated Prometheus,someone will rise up to the challenge  :jedi: ,take up the role of heracles  :muscle: and free you from the tormenting eagle(or, according to other sources, a vulture).

I think you're looking for the poetry, or drama, section...
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on February 04, 2017, 12:41:22 PM
home is where the heart is....

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Man of Faith on February 05, 2017, 03:16:56 AM
Being mocked for thinking you live on a spherical planet when everything indicates you are.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Aladin from Azra tribe on February 05, 2017, 03:54:34 AM
Bismillah

We're under the greatest sihr of all - we forgot el-Esma', all of them.
We, as humanity, have to re-learn them from Him.

If we do so, maybe we'll know what is El-'Erdu and it won't be hard at all, as it wasn't hard to Adem a.s. to tell el-Esma'.

Is the Earth flat? Yes! Is the Earth ball-round? Yes!
Is the Earth flat?  No! Is the Earth ball-round?  No!

All the answers are correct and all of them are wrong, it depends on "What is the Earth?"

If we re-learn its name maybe we'll understand that THERE'S NOTHING BETWEEN el-'Erdu AND es-Sema'.

Allah swt knows best.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on February 05, 2017, 06:40:19 AM
It would be cool if the posters would stick to the topic, which is the flat earth theory and how it is being crazy or not.
Funny how this topic usually tends to bring out all sorts of emotional stuff and mud slinging instead.

Actual topic =  :yes :eat:
Emotional bickering =  :nope:  :yuck:
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on February 05, 2017, 11:58:02 AM
I merely asked the directions to his heart.
You have to know what to avoid to successfully stay away from it.

 :o

 :peace:
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on February 05, 2017, 12:02:37 PM
It would be cool if the posters would stick to the topic, which is the flat earth theory and how it is being crazy or not.
Funny how this topic usually tends to bring out all sorts of emotional stuff and mud slinging instead.

Actual topic =  :yes :eat:
Emotional bickering =  :nope:  :yuck:

hi brother zulf ,

hope you allright .. as usuall u never been absent from flat earth class.. lol

anyway coming back to the topic
i wanted you to ask what is the model of solar and lunar eclipse in the theory of flat earth .. ?
i mean how they explain if you have any link or video regarding the flat earth lunar/solar ecplise try to send a link i havnt find it yet ...

thanx
God bless you all..
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Bender on February 05, 2017, 04:44:06 PM
i wanted you to ask what is the model of solar and lunar eclipse in the theory of flat earth .. ?
A solar eclipse should be no problem, a lunar eclipse is a little bit harder to crack.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on February 05, 2017, 04:54:56 PM
A solar eclipse should be no problem, a lunar eclipse is a little bit harder to crack.

hmmm its mean they are still trying to figure this thingie out like lot of other things..
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on February 05, 2017, 10:11:47 PM
One explanation is the Shadow Object.
Use google. You'll find some theories.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on February 06, 2017, 06:32:33 AM
One explanation is the Shadow Object.
Use google. You'll find some theories.

there is no theory there...

actually as they claim the motionless earth with sun and moon on top of disk...

(http://thecreatorscalendar.com/wp-content/uploads/Flat-earth-lunar-eclipse-NOT-1.jpg)

now for solar eclipse the sun must b on top of moon ...
for lunar eclipse... moon must b on top...

error = equation wrong = flat earth model is not the reality ...

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Man of Faith on February 06, 2017, 07:27:42 AM
Fascinating people consider topics like this to be crucial.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Rekkd on February 06, 2017, 11:28:33 AM
Fascinating people consider topics like this to be crucial.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

Yeah, what a waste of time.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Aladin from Azra tribe on February 06, 2017, 11:40:43 AM
Thinking about the Heavens and the Earth is very important.
But talking w/o knowledge is very dangerous.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on February 07, 2017, 03:32:16 AM
What is fascinating is how the human mind and brain works with faculties of logic as well as emotions. The study of the mind and how the body/emotions/memories, without our awareness, substitute for clear perception, is intriguing. Without knowing how our brain, mind, body and emotions work, we will not be able to break free from the shaytan aspect of ourselves. If we remain blinded by the body, we won't be able to connect to the omnipresent consciousness in any meaningful and practical manner.

Some people like football, or poetry. I like geometry and psychology. 😁
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Aladin from Azra tribe on February 07, 2017, 03:52:56 AM
I like geometry and psychology. 😁
I like "curves" too :D but, if we like something it can be "no good" to us ;)

I'd like if somebody can explain: what is happening with the air (atmosphere) and living creatures in it (ie. birds) during earthquakes?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Man of Faith on February 07, 2017, 07:08:12 AM
Thinking about the Heavens and the Earth is very important.
But talking w/o knowledge is very dangerous.

Why is it important?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Faith on August 31, 2017, 05:12:32 PM
Every planet but Earth is named from mythological gods or goddesses.

Mercury is the god of commerce, travel and thievery in Roman mythology.
Venus is the Roman goddess of love and beauty.
Mars is the Roman god of War.
Jupiter is the King of the Gods in Roman mythology.
Saturn is the Roman god of agriculture.
Uranus is the ancient Greek deity of the Heavens, the earliest supreme god.
Pluto is the Roman god of the underworld in Roman mythology.
Earth is the only planet whose English name does not derive from Greek/Roman mythology. (http://yoursmiles.org/msmile/cool/m1917.gif)

+1 point to the flat earth phenomenon.
(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/23dors.gif)
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on August 31, 2017, 08:16:59 PM
I wouldn't exactly label myself a flat earther but I do support the notion that the surface of the earth is planar.

I am glad to see that there are others that have also woken up in this very forum.
However, arguments like the one you just made are weak and are not helpful in demonstrating this phenomenon credible.
Stick to physical evidence we can obtain and scriptural evidence.

Although I perfectly agree with you that astronomy has had a lot of influence from pagan mythology as most of us learn in elementary( at least in Italy), it does not prove the earth to be flat.
Let's use strong evidence and arguments.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Faith on August 31, 2017, 09:04:31 PM
I wouldn't exactly label myself a flat earther but I do support the notion that the surface of the earth is planar.

I am glad to see that there are others that have also woken up in this very forum.
However, arguments like the one you just made are weak and are not helpful in demonstrating this phenomenon credible.
Stick to physical evidence we can obtain and scriptural evidence.

Although I perfectly agree with you that astronomy has had a lot of influence from pagan mythology as most of us learn in elementary( at least in Italy), it does not prove the earth to be flat.
Let's use strong evidence and arguments.
Greetings,
No point in recycling the same verses. I'm starting to look at other areas to penetrate.

It may be weak to you but it can also be helpful to someone else. (I didn't know about these gods and goddesses before posting this myself.) This is concrete information for those who name these planets without knowing its background. Perhaps they'll start to notice flawed patterns. This is merely a withered branch to that of a stump. (http://yoursmiles.org/msmile/cool/m1917.gif)

Peace. (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/kaffeetrinker_2.gif)
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Abdun Nur on September 01, 2017, 01:19:31 AM
I noticed why the CIA invented and disseminated the flat earth nonsense, before this nonsense the electric universe physics was exposing the lies of the hierarchical psychopaths, showing people the real nature of physics, now if you do a search on the electric universe you get pages of flat earth electric universe, they created the lie to direct the stupid away from the truth of the electric universe by contaminating it with such absurd and obvious nonsense as flat earth.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on September 01, 2017, 07:23:05 AM
I noticed why the CIA invented and disseminated the flat earth nonsense, before this nonsense the electric universe physics was exposing the lies of the hierarchical psychopaths, showing people the real nature of physics, now if you do a search on the electric universe you get pages of flat earth electric universe, they created the lie to direct the stupid away from the truth of the electric universe by contaminating it with such absurd and obvious nonsense as flat earth.

Bring your proofs from Quran and what you can observe and test yourself in this realm.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Abdun Nur on September 01, 2017, 07:33:34 AM
Shit you think the Qur'an presents a flat earth concept? You being smoking something?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on September 01, 2017, 07:39:41 AM
Shit you think the Qur'an presents a flat earth concept? You being smoking something?

Clearly you are not respectful to fellow believers.
I take it you have no evidence of any kind to support your claim, and that is why you resorted to insults. I see your colors now.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Abdun Nur on September 01, 2017, 07:44:56 AM
The Qur'an is completely and utterly not relevant to the nonsensical flat earth theory, I have no understanding in any context how the Qur'an is at all connected to the comment i posted, i can only assume you are jesting.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Makaveli on September 01, 2017, 08:14:13 AM
spread out. B2 If people spread out they move from being close together in a group to being in different places across a larger area: They spread out to search the whole area.

Qur'an in 2:22 is probably talking about people being spread out on Earth rather than the shape of Earth. If it would hint on Earth being flat it would just say something like "and made it flat for you to walk upon".

Everybody sees what he wants to see, but truth is, FET is garbage, which relies on conspiracy theories which includes possibly thousands of people of all sort of occupations all united to keep the conspiracy alive. So all these people from cleaning ladies at NASA to web programmers at Flightradar24 (btw check this out when your relatives are flying somewhere or simply in your free time, check flights from Japan to LA, for instance) are actively hiding the 'truth', and none for many years have since confessed to public.

There are many whistleblowers in modern history, including those related to armed structures and secret services, yet there are none related to space projects. Ridiculous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_whistleblowers

If flat earthers want to prove something they need clear evidence which would not rely on conspiracy. Conspiracy is a trick to make people focus their attention on something external, unrelated to the subject.





Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on September 01, 2017, 08:42:17 AM
spread out. B2 If people spread out they move from being close together in a group to being in different places across a larger area: They spread out to search the whole area.

Qur'an in 2:222 is probably talking about people being spread out on Earth rather than the shape of Earth. If it would hint on Earth being flat it would just say something like "and made it flat for you to talk upon".

Everybody sees what he wants to see, but truth is, FET is garbage, which relies on conspiracy theories which includes possibly thousands of people of all sort of profession all united to keep the conspiracy alive. So all these people from cleaning ladies at NASA to web programmers at Flightradar24 (btw check this out when your relatives are flying somewhere or simply in your free time, check flights from Japan to LA, for instance) are actively hiding the 'truth', and none for many years have since confessed to public.

There are many whistleblowers in modern history, including those related to armed structures and secret services, yet there are none related to space projects. Ridiculous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_whistleblowers

If flat earthers want to prove something they need clear evidence which would not rely on conspiracy. Conspiracy is a trick to make people focus their attention on something external, unrelated to the subject.

In this forum, we have already in my opinion already countless of times proven how the use of the verb you cite can only mean flatten in the context it is being used. It is not the only evidence from Quran there are MANY MANY more. If you are a sincere truth seeker, I can try to send you the links to these discussion in which we strongly demonstrated the soundness of our argument.

No one mentioned conspiracies here.
Rather than calling it garbage prove through logic and reason your claim other than that you are merely denying without investigation.

Research very well. There are countless flaws with the consensus model.
I am not speaking from a mere point of scriptural guidance but actual scientific reasoning and irrefutable proofs concerning observable and testable phenomena.

I have done that for years and I have a degree in Science I am no fanatic or conspiracy theorist but to you only of the sincere advisors
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Abdun Nur on September 01, 2017, 08:52:58 AM
Get me a photo of the edge of the flat surface, unless its infinite?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on September 01, 2017, 09:03:49 AM
The Qur'an is completely and utterly not relevant to the nonsensical flat earth theory, I have no understanding in any context how the Qur'an is at all connected to the comment i posted, i can only assume you are jesting.

The Quran is completely and utterly relevant to the sensical notion that the surface of the earth is planar, that the heavens are LAYERED ABOVE us(not 360 degrees all around with no true sense of direction up or down), that the luminaries, sun, moon and constellations are in motion, while the earth is fixed and stationary etc...

You have no understanding because you disbelieve in your Lord's words and claim that you alone like MOF have the knowledge to properly decipher the Quran. Instead of remaining patient with the Quran you rushed glibly into claiming the understanding you were presented with is flawed and hastened with it. Rather you should have remained firm and let Allah gradually guide you to the understanding by being humble, submissive and patient.

Quran is but all connected to this concept of geocentrism and the pondering about the creation of the Heavens and the Earth.

Anyway, if you go back to my comment you see I said bring both evidence from Quran and scientific evidence

Bring your proofs from Quran and what you can observe and test yourself in this realm.

If you cannot understand how the Quran may support your claim, then bring forth the latter proof and let us unbiasedly analyze its validity. Fair enough?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on September 01, 2017, 09:09:33 AM
Get me a photo of the edge of the flat surface, unless its infinite?
That's a weak request, I can easily ask you to bring me a photo of the entire earth or moon from outer space that is not CGI.

I am an actual scientist. I am not concerned with things which I cannot prove nor test. Photos can be altered, staged, doctored, superimposed etc...
Also do not fall into strawman fallacies by presenting those concepts as if they were my own. Nowhere have I claimed that there was an edge or that it is infinite. It is unknown and none of us can prove or disprove. Stick to concrete concepts since you like concepts so much.


I focus on the hard irrefutable evidences like the undetectable curvature of the earth. Horizon remaining at eye level etc...
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Abdun Nur on September 01, 2017, 09:12:34 AM
OK, you being a qualified scientist of some unspecified description, explain why water forms a perfect sphere if undisturbed in zero gravity?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn5KuSHguUE

Under the flat earthers thinking it should form a flat plain?

Or is the video a fake!!!!
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Makaveli on September 01, 2017, 09:38:07 AM
I am not speaking from a mere point of scriptural guidance but actual scientific reasoning

I have done that for years and I have a degree in Science

Master of Arts?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Faith on September 01, 2017, 05:24:27 PM
Re: 20:106
Again if anything this goes against your argument. It is clearly saying that after the mountains are removed the earth will be left level (if one opts for that option/meaning), clearly implying it is not level prior. Bear in mind it seems to be referring to the end times hence anything could happen anyway.
Greetings,
In 20:107 it says there'll be no crookedness or curves. Meaning, the round earth with its curvature, will not be compatible with the level mountains. Unless you were to say that God will change it from round earth to a flat earth. We can see in verse 30:30 that there is no changing in the creation of God. What is your view on this?
Peace. (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/kaffeetrinker_2.gif)
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: person_of_the_book on September 02, 2017, 04:37:43 AM
This thread is now about pictures of corn:

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Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: person_of_the_book on September 02, 2017, 04:38:20 AM
(http://www.cornandsoybeandigest.com/sites/cornandsoybeandigest.com/files/styles/article_featured_standard/public/CornHands_1.jpg?itok=6IhPJt9T)
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on September 02, 2017, 08:49:16 AM
Every planet but Earth is named from mythological gods or goddesses.

Mercury is the god of commerce, travel and thievery in Roman mythology.
Venus is the Roman goddess of love and beauty.
Mars is the Roman god of War.
Jupiter is the King of the Gods in Roman mythology.
Saturn is the Roman god of agriculture.
Uranus is the ancient Greek deity of the Heavens, the earliest supreme god.
Pluto is the Roman god of the underworld in Roman mythology.
Earth is the only planet whose English name does not derive from Greek/Roman mythology. (http://yoursmiles.org/msmile/cool/m1917.gif)

+1 point to the flat earth phenomenon.
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What about TELLUS?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on September 02, 2017, 09:19:08 AM
I am an actual scientist. I am not concerned with things which I cannot prove nor test. Photos can be altered, staged, doctored, superimposed etc...
Also do not fall into strawman fallacies by presenting those concepts as if they were my own. Nowhere have I claimed that there was an edge or that it is infinite. It is unknown and none of us can prove or disprove. Stick to concrete concepts since you like concepts so much.

I focus on the hard irrefutable evidences like the undetectable curvature of the earth. Horizon remaining at eye level etc...

I understand why you don't insist on the Icewall, or Glass?dome, as there are no evidence for them. I guess you've become more refined. Are you only sticking to the flatness itself of the Earth, and leave the details out in lack of evidence? I guess you've also abandoned the idea that pictures of Earth is CGI... I mean, where are the evidence?

Just wondering, because it could simplify an exchange of arguments between the standpoints of 'overall flat surface' vs 'globular surface'.

Do you have any idea of what shape the flat Earth surface has? I mean, assuming we don't think there are undiscovered continents, the known world need to be contained within some geometric limits. Is it a disc (as opposed to the globe)?

Peace
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Man of Faith on September 02, 2017, 01:22:57 PM
Zulf,

Do you deny the holocaust happened? That there is no evidence of it?

Be well
Qarael Amenuel
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Abdun Nur on September 02, 2017, 01:51:37 PM
Peace Man of faith,

so you do believe in the Jewish holocaust, is that the one they claimed after the first world war or the one they claimed after the second, although the red cross records after they were released 60 years after the second world war revealed only 136,000 people in total died in the work camps, and that includes all groups, mainly Polish, and that the Jews have made the denial of their invented holocaust a criminal offence, no matter if you can prove it never happened?

The Ashkenazi have stolen billions from the German people in reparations after the war for the claimed holocaust, now just as with any propaganda lie, you turn the truth around, the Ashkenazi Jews in Israel have committed a holocaust on the Palestinians.

Next you'll be telling me Einstein was agenius and nuclaer weapons are real.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: person_of_the_book on September 02, 2017, 01:54:39 PM
Peace Man of faith,

so you do believe in the Jewish holocaust, is that the one they claimed after the first world war or the one they claimed after the second, although the red cross records after they were released 60 years after the second world war revealed only 136,000 people in total died in the work camps, and that includes all groups, mainly Polish, and that the Jews have made the denial of their invented holocaust a criminal offence, no matter if you can prove it never happened?

The Ashkenazi have stolen billions from the German people in reparations after the war for the claimed holocaust, now just as with any propaganda lie, you turn the truth around, the Ashkenazi Jews in Israel have committed a holocaust on the Palestinians.

Next you'll be telling me Einstein was agenius and nuclaer weapons are real.

Are you being sarcastic, or are you claiming that the holocaust never happened? I am unclear.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Makaveli on September 02, 2017, 01:59:12 PM
Next you'll be telling me Einstein was agenius and nuclaer weapons are real.

 ??? I sinserely start doubting you are being serious. Tell it to relatives of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Nuclear weapons are clearly more real than your ancient "anarchy".
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Abdun Nur on September 02, 2017, 02:10:04 PM
I am serious.

Let examine nuclear weapons.

We are ruled predominantly by psychopaths, these conscienceless, consistent and prevailing liars, with their hierarchical control of information, would have us believe out of the goodness of their cold heart they have held themselves back from dropping anymore nuclear bombs on populated areas, after the two they falsely claim they dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Even the Jewish state that uses every banned weapon they can get their grubby hands on, to drop on those unarmed and imprisoned, held defenseless, while televising it for the enjoyment of their Jewish population, who take great joy in the death, mutilation and trauma inflicted by their Israeli leaders and their minions.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki:

Accounts of the supposed 'mushroom cloud' is described in contradictory ways and was clearly an invention, and the film of it could not have been taken at the claimed time; Japanese witnesses didn't know it happened; Japanese accounts describe fire and nothing like the supposed effects of a hugely high temperature blast; aerial photography of the after-effects were indistinguishable from bombing raids of the time, with no central blast zone; the film crew specifically sent to record the event, didn't do so; the Indianapolis which carried the supposed bomb was sunk on the voyage back to the USA, and was left four days without any assistance; the Japanese weren't told the events were 'nuclear' until long after, when they had to be told by propaganda films; trams were running three days later; the claims about shadows of bodies are wrong; there were no radiation effects; here are no seismic indicators that the supposed events took place; the story is still not consistent to this day.

No normal, civil university does research about thermonuclear bomb design, fission and how to trigger an atomic explosion in nano-seconds. All such ?research? is done in top secret, military institutes of some kind and the result is not available for critical scrutiny. Same goes for the production of said bombs.

That a solid, little, metallic sphere of 20-50 kg of Uranium 235 suddenly, by itself only assisted by free neutrons will split into 20-50 kg of fission fragments and release energy (heat & pressure) is not proven in any civil institution. The theoretical background of the process is even less convincing and created by some fools in the 1930?s that I only feel sorry for. Easy thus to understand how military US top brass jumped on the idea! A secret weapon, bla, bla. And that Stalin & Co copied the nonsense.

Investigate the fraud of nuclear weapons.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Abdun Nur on September 02, 2017, 02:20:22 PM
Nuclear weapons were the creation of a group of Ashkenazi, as for Einstein another Ashkenazi.

Albert Einstein
? was he a thief, a liar and a plagiarist?
ALBERT EINSTEIN is held up as "a rare genius," who drastically changed the field of theoretical physics. However, using the technique known as 'The Often-Repeated Lie=Truth,' he has been made an idol to young people, and his very name has become synonymous with genius.

THE TRUTH, HOWEVER, IS VERY DIFFERENT. Einstein was an inept, he contributed NOTHING ORIGINAL to the field of quantum mechanics, nor any other science. On the contrary?he stole the ideas of others, and the Jew-controlled media made him a 'hero.'

When we actually examine the life of Albert Einstein, we find that his only 'brilliance' was in his ability to PLAGIARIZE and STEAL OTHER PEOPLE'S IDEAS, PASSING THEM OFF AS HIS OWN. Einstein's education, or lack thereof, is an important part of this story.

The Encyclopedia Britannica says of Einstein's early education that he "showed little scholastic ability." It also says that at the age of 15, "with poor grades in history, geography, and languages, he left school with no diploma." Einstein himself wrote in a school paper of his "lack of imagination and practical ability." In 1895, Einstein failed a simple entrance exam to an engineering school in Zurich.

This exam consisted mainly of mathematical problems, and Einstein showed himself to be mathematically inept in this exam. He then entered a lesser school hoping to use it as a stepping stone to the engineering school he could not get into, but after graduating in 1900, he still could not get a position at the engineering school!

Unable to go to the school as he had wanted, he got a job (with the help of a friend) at the patent office in Bern. He was to be a technical expert third class, which meant that he was not competent to hold a higher qualified position. Even after publishing his so-called ground-breaking papers of 1905 and after working in the patent office for six years, he was only elevated to a second class standing. Remember, the work he was doing at the patent office, for which he was only rated third class, was not quantum mechanics or theoretical physics, but was reviewing technical documents for patents of every day things; yet he was barely qualified.

He would work at the patent office until 1909, all the while continuously trying to get a position at a university, but without success. All of these facts are true, but now begins the myth.

Supposedly, while working a full time job, without the aid of university colleagues, a staff of graduate students, a laboratory, or any of the things normally associated with an academic setting, Einstein in his spare time wrote four ground-breaking essays in the field of theoretical physics and quantum mechanics that were published in 1905.

Many people have recognized the impossibility of such a feat, including Einstein himself, and therefore Einstein has led people to believe that many of these ideas came to him in his sleep, out of the blue, because indeed that is the only logical explanation of how an admittedly inept moron could have written such documents at the age of 26 without any real education. THE TRUTH IS: HE STOLE THE IDEAS AND PLAGIARIZED THE PAPERS.

Therefore, we will look at each of these ideas and discover the source of each. It should be remembered that these ideas are presented by Einstein's worshipers as totally new and completely different, each of which would change the landscape of science. These four papers dealt with the following four ideas, respectively:
1.   The foundation of the photon theory of light;
2.   The equivalence of energy and mass;
3.   The explanation of Brownian motion in liquids;
4.   The special theory of relativity.
Let us first look at the last of these theories, the theory of relativity. This is perhaps the most famous idea falsely attributed to Einstein. Specifically, this 1905 paper dealt with what Einstein called the Special Theory of Relativity (the General Theory would come in 1915).

This theory contradicted the traditional Newtonian mechanics and was based upon two premises:
1.   In the absence of acceleration, the laws of nature are the same for all observers; and
2.   Since the speed of light is independent of the motion of its source, then the time interval between two events is longer for an observer in whose frame of reference the events occur at different places than for an observer in whose frame of reference the events occur in the same place.
This is basically the idea that time passes more slowly as one's velocity approaches the speed of light, relative to slower velocities where time would pass faster.

This theory has been validated by modern experiments and is the basis for modern physics. But these two premises are far from being originally Einstein's. FIRST OF ALL, THE IDEA THAT THE SPEED OF LIGHT WAS A CONSTANT AND WAS INDEPENDENT OF THE MOTION OF ITS SOURCE WAS NOT EINSTEIN'S AT ALL, BUT WAS PROPOSED BY THE SCOTTISH SCIENTIST JAMES MAXWELL in 1878.

Maxwell studied the phenomenon of light extensively and first proposed that it was electromagnetic in nature.

James Maxwell wrote an article to this effect for the 1878 edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica. His ideas prompted much debate, and by 1887, as a result of his work and the ensuing debate, the scientific community, particularly Lorentz, Michelson, and Morley reached the conclusion that the velocity of light was independent of the velocity of the observer. Thus, this piece of the Special Theory of Relativity was known 27 years before Einstein wrote his paper.

This debate over the nature of light also led Michelson and Morley to conduct an important experiment, the results of which could not be explained by Newtonian mechanics. They observed a phenomenon caused by relativity but they did not understand relativity.

They had attempted to detect the motion of the earth through ether, which was a medium thought to be necessary for the propagation of light. In response to this problem, in 1880, the Irish physicist George Fitzgerald, who had also first proposed a mechanism for producing radio waves, wrote a paper which stated that the results of the Michelson Morley experiment could be explained if, ". . . the length of material bodies change, according as they are moving through the either or across it by an amount depending on the square of the ratio of their velocities to that of light."

THIS IS THE THEORY OF RELATIVITY, 13 YEARS BEFORE EINSTEIN'S PAPER!

FURTHER . . . IN 1892, HENDRIK LORENTZ, of the Netherlands, proposed the same solution and began to greatly expand the idea. All throughout the 1890's, both Lorentz and Fitzgerald worked on these ideas and wrote articles strangely similar to Einstein's Special Theory detailing what is now known as the Lorentz-Fitzgerald Contraction.

In 1898, the Irishman Joseph Larmor wrote down equations explaining the Lorentz-Fitzgerald contraction and its relativistic consequences, 7 years before Einstein's paper. By 1904, "Lorentz transformations," the series of equations explaining relativity, were published by Lorentz. They describe the increase of mass, the shortening of length, and the time dilation of a body moving at speeds close to the velocity of light. In short, by 1904, everything in "Einstein's paper" regarding the Special Theory of Relativity had already been published.

The Frenchman Poincar?? had, in 1898, written a paper unifying many of these ideas. He stated seven years before Einstein's paper: ". . . we have no direct intuition about the equality of two time intervals. The simultaneity of two events or the order of their succession, as well as the equality of two time intervals, must be defined in such a way that the statements of the natural laws be as simple as possible."

Professor Umberto Bartocci, a mathematical historian, of the University of Perugia claims that Olinto De Pretto, an industrialist from Vicenza, published the equation E=mc^2 in a scientific magazine, Atte, in 1903. Einstein allegedly used De Pretto's insight in a major paper published in 1905, but De Pretto was never acclaimed.

De Pretto had stumbled on the equation, but not the theory of relativity, while speculating about ether in the life of the universe, said Prof Bartocci. It was republished in 1904 by Veneto's Royal Science Institute, but the equation's significance was not understood.

According to Professor Bartocci, a Swiss Italian named Michele Besso alerted Einstein to the research and in 1905 Einstein published his own work. It took years for his breakthrough to be grasped. When the penny finally dropped, De Pretto's contribution was overlooked while Einstein went on to become the century's most famous scientist. De Pretto died in 1921.

"De Pretto did not discover relativity but there is no doubt that he was the first to use the equation. That is hugely significant. I also believe, though it's impossible to prove, that Einstein used De Pretto's research," said Professor Bartocci, who has written a book on the subject. ( The Guardian Unlimited).

Anyone who has read Einstein's 1905 paper will immediately recognize the similarity and the lack of originality on the part of Einstein.

Thus, we see that the only thing original about the paper was the term 'Special Theory of Relativity.' EVERYTHING ELSE WAS PLAGIARIZED. Over the next few years, Poincar?? became one of the most important lecturers and writers regarding relativity, but he never, in any of his papers or speeches, mentioned Albert Einstein.

Thus while Poincar?? was busy bringing the rest of the academic world up to speed regarding relativity, Einstein was still working in the patent office in Bern and no one in the academic community thought it necessary to give much credence or mention to Einstein's work. Most of these early physicists knew that he was a fraud.

This brings us to the explanation of Brownian motion, the subject of another of Einstein's 1905 papers. Brownian motion describes the irregular motion of a body arising from the thermal energy of the molecules of the material in which the body is immersed. The movement had first been observed by the Scottish botanist Robert Brown in 1827.

The explanation of this phenomenon has to do with the Kinetic Theory of Matter, and it was the American Josiah Gibbs and the Austrian Ludwig Boltzmann who first explained this occurrence, not Albert Einstein. In fact, the mathematical equation describing the motion contains the famous Boltzmann constant, k. Between these two men, they had explained by the 1890s everything in Einstein's 1905 paper regarding Brownian motion.

The subject of the equivalence of mass and energy was contained in a third paper published by Einstein in 1905. This concept is expressed by the famous equation E=mc2. Einstein's biographers categorize this as "his most famous and most spectacular conclusion." Even though this idea is an obvious conclusion of Einstein's earlier relativity paper, it was not included in that paper but was published as an afterthought later in the year. Still, the idea of energy-mass equivalence was not original with Einstein.

That there was an equivalence between mass and energy had been shown in the laboratory in the 1890s by both J. J. Thomsom of Cambridge and by W. Kaufmann in G?ttingen. In 1900, Poincar?? had shown that there was a mass relationship for all forms of energy, not just electromagnetic energy. Yet, the most probable source of Einstein's plagiarism was Friedrich Hasen?hrl, one of the most brilliant, yet unappreciated physicists of the era.

Hasen?hrl was the teacher of many of the German scientists who would later become famous for a variety of topics. He had worked on the idea of the equivalence of mass and energy for many years and had published a paper on the topic in 1904 in the very same journal which Einstein would publish his plagiarized version in 1905. For his brilliant work in this area, Hasen?hrl had received in 1904 a prize from the prestigious Vienna Academy of Sciences.

Furthermore, the mathematical relationship of mass and energy was a simple deduction from the already well-known equations of Scottish physicist James Maxwell. Scientists long understood that the mathematical relationship expressed by the equation E=mc2 was the logical result of Maxwell's work, they just did not believe it.

THUS, THE EXPERIMENTS OF THOMSON, KAUFMANN, AND FINALLY, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, HASEN?RHL, CONFIRMED MAXWELL'S WORK. IT IS LUDICROUS TO BELIEVE THAT EINSTEIN DEVELOPED THIS POSTULATE , particularly in light of the fact that Einstein did not have the laboratory necessary to conduct the appropriate experiments.

In this same plagiarized article of Einstein's, he suggested to the scientific community, "Perhaps it will prove possible to test this theory using bodies whose energy content is variable to a high degree (e.g., salts of radium)."

This remark demonstrates how little Einstein understood about science, for this was truly an outlandish remark. By saying this, Einstein showed that he really did not understand basic scientific principles, and that he was writing about a topic that he did not understand. In fact, in response to this article, J. Precht remarked that such an experiment "lies beyond the realm of possible experience."

The last subject dealt with in Einstein's 1905 papers was the foundation of the photon theory of light. Einstein wrote about the photoelectric effect. The photoelectric effect is the release of electrons from certain metals or semiconductors by the action of light. This area of research is particularly important to the Einstein myth because it was for this topic that he UNJUSTLY received his 1922 Nobel Prize.

But AGAIN IT IS NOT EINSTEIN, BUT WILHELM WIEN AND MAX PLANCK WHO DESERVE THE CREDIT. The main point of Einstein's paper, and the point for which he is given credit, is that light is emitted and absorbed in finite packets called quanta. This was the explanation for the photoelectric effect. The photoelectric effect had been explained by Heinrich Hertz in 1888. Hertz and others, including Philipp Lenard, worked on understanding this phenomenon.

Lenard was the first to show that the energy of the electrons released in the photoelectric effect was not governed by the intensity of the light but by the frequency of the light. This was an important breakthrough.

Wien and Planck were colleagues and they were the fathers of modern day quantum theory. By 1900, Max Planck, based upon his and Wien's work, had shown that radiated energy was absorbed and emitted in finite units called quanta. The only difference in his work of 1900 and Einstein's work of 1905 was that Einstein limited himself to talking about one particular type of energy?light energy. But the principles and equations governing the process in general had been deduced by Planck in 1900. Einstein himself admitted that the obvious conclusion of Planck's work was that light also existed in discrete packets of energy. Thus, nothing in this paper of Einstein's was original.

After the 1905 papers of Einstein were published, the scientific community took little notice and Einstein continued his job at the patent office until 1909 when it was arranged by World Jewry for him to take a position at a school.

Still, it was not until a 1919 A Jewish newspaper headline that he gained any notoriety. With Einstein's academic appointment in 1909, he was placed in a position where he could begin to use other people's work as his own more openly.

He engaged many of his students to look for ways to prove the theories he had supposedly developed, or ways to apply those theories, and then he could present the research as his own or at least take partial credit.

In this vein, in 1912, he began to try and express his gravitational research in terms of a new, recently developed calculus, which was conducive to understanding relativity. This was the beginning of his General Theory of Relativity, which he would publish in 1915.

BUT THE MATHEMATICAL WORK WAS NOT DONE BY EINSTEIN?HE WAS INCAPABLE OF IT. Instead, it was performed by the mathematician Marcel Grossmann, who in turn used the mathematical principles developed by Berhard Riemann, who was the first to develop a sound non-Euclidean geometry, which is the basis of all mathematics used to describe relativity.

The General Theory of Relativity applied the principles of relativity to the universe; that is, to the gravitational pull of planets and their orbits, and the general principle that light rays bend as they pass by a massive object. Einstein published an initial paper in 1913 based upon the work which Grossmann did, adapting the math of Riemann to Relativity. But this paper was filled with errors and the conclusions were incorrect.

It appears that Grossmann was not smart enough to figure it out for Einstein. So Einstein was forced to look elsewhere to plagiarize his General Theory. Einstein published his correct General Theory of Relativity in 1915, and said prior to its publication that he, "completely succeeded in convincing Hilbert and Klein." He is referring to David Hilbert, perhaps the most brilliant mathematician of the 20th century, and Felix Klein, another mathematician who had been instrumental in the development of the area of calculus that Grossmann had used to develop the General Theory of Relativity for Einstein.

Einstein's statement regarding the two men would lead the reader to believe that Einstein had changed Hilbert's and Klein's opinions regarding General Relativity, and that he had influenced them in their thinking.

However, the exact opposite is true. EINSTEIN STOLE THE MAJORITY OF HIS GENERAL RELATIVITY WORK FROM THESE TWO MEN, THE REST BEING TAKEN FROM GROSSMANN. HILBERT SUBMITTED FOR PUBLICATION, A WEEK BEFORE EINSTEIN COMPLETED HIS WORK, A PAPER WHICH CONTAINED THE CORRECT FIELD EQUATIONS, OF GENERAL RELATIVITY.

What this means is that Hilbert wrote basically the exact same paper, with the same conclusions, before Einstein did. Einstein would have had an opportunity to know of Hilbert's work all along, because there were friends of his working for Hilbert. Yet, even this was not necessary, for Einstein had seen Hilbert's paper in advance of publishing his own. Both of these papers were, before being printed, delivered in the form of a lecture.

Einstein presented his paper on November 25, 1915 in Berlin and Hilbert had presented his paper on November 20 in G?ttingen. On November 18, Hilbert received a letter from Einstein thanking him for sending him a draft of the treatise Hilbert was to deliver on the 20th. So, in fact, Hilbert had sent a copy of his work at least two weeks in advance to Einstein before either of the two men delivered their lectures, but Einstein did not send Hilbert an advance copy of his.

Therefore, THIS SERVES AS INCONTROVERTIBLE PROOF THAT EINSTEIN QUICKLY PLAGIARIZED THE WORK AND THEN PRESENTED IT, HOPING TO BEAT HILBERT TO THE PUNCH. Also, at the same time, Einstein publicly began to belittle Hilbert, even though in the previous summer he had praised him in an effort to get Hilbert to share his work with him. Hilbert made the mistake of sending Einstein this draft copy, but still he delivered his work first.

Not only did Hilbert publish his work first, but it was of much higher quality than Einstein's. It is known today that there are many problems with assumptions made in Einstein's General Theory paper. We know today that Hilbert was much closer to the truth. Hilbert's paper is the forerunner of the unified field theory of gravitation and electromagnetism and of the work of Erwin Schr?dinger, whose work is the basis of all modern day quantum mechanics.

That the group of men discussed so far were the actual originators of the ideas claimed by Einstein was known by the scientific community all along. In 1940, a group of German physicists meeting in Austria declared that "before Einstein, Aryan scientists like Lorentz, Hasen?hrl, Poincar?, etc., had created the foundations of the theory of relativity." However the Jewish media did not promote the work of these men. The Jewish media did not promote the work of David Hilbert, but instead they promoted the work of the Jew Albert Einstein.

As we mentioned earlier, this General Theory, as postulated by Hilbert first and in plagiarized form by Einstein second, stated that light rays should bend when they pass by a massive object. In 1919, during the eclipse of the Sun, light from distant stars passing close to the Sun was observed to bend according to the theory. This evidence supported the General Theory of Relativity, and the Jew-controlled media immediately seized upon the opportunity to prop up Einstein as a hero, at the expense of the true genius, David Hilbert.

On November 7th, 1919, the London Times ran an article, the headline of which proclaimed, "Revolution in science?New theory of the Universe?Newtonian ideas overthrown." This was the beginning of the force- feeding of the Einstein myth to the masses. In the following years, Einstein's earlier 1905 papers were propagandized and Einstein was heralded as the originator of all the ideas he had stolen. Because of this push by the Jewish media, in 1922, EINSTEIN RECEIVED THE NOBEL PRIZE FOR THE WORK HE HAD STOLEN IN 1905 REGARDING THE PHOTOELECTRIC EFFECT.

The establishment of the Einstein farce between 1919 and 1922 was an important coup for world Zionism and Jewry. As soon as Einstein had been established as an idol to the popular masses of England and America, his image was promoted as the rare genius that he is erroneously believed to be today.

As such, he immediately began his work as a tool for World Zionism. The masses bought into the idea that if someone was so brilliant as to change our fundamental understanding of the universe, then certainly we ought to listen to his opinions regarding political and social issues.

This is exactly what World Jewry wanted to establish in its ongoing effort of social engineering. They certainly did not want someone like David Hilbert to be recognized as rare genius. After all, this physicist had come from a strong German, Christian background. His grandfather's two middle names were 'F?rchtegott Leberecht' or 'Fear God, Live Right.' In August of 1934, the day before a vote was to be taken regarding installing Adolf Hitler as President of the Reich, Hilbert signed a proclamation in support of Adolf Hitler, along with other leading German scientists, that was published in the German newspapers. So the Jews certainly did not want David Hilbert receiving the credit he deserved.

The Jews did not want Max Planck receiving the credit he deserved either. This German's grandfather and great-grandfather had been important German theologians, and during World War II he would stay in Germany throughout the war, supporting his fatherland the best he could.

The Jews certainly did not want the up-and-coming Erwin Schr?dinger to be heralded as a genius to the masses. This Austrian physicist would go on to teach at Adolf Hitler University in Austria, and he wrote a public letter expressing his support for the Third Reich. This Austrian's work on the unified field theory was a forerunner of modern physics, even though it had been criticized by Einstein, who apparently could not understand it.

The Jews did not want to have Werner Heisenberg promoted as a rare genius, even though he would go on to solidify quantum theory and contribute to it greatly, as well as develop his famous uncertainty principle, in addition to describing the modern atom and nucleus and the binding energies that are essential to modern chemistry.

NO, THE JEWS DID NOT WANT HEISENBERG PROMOTED AS A GENIUS BECAUSE HE WOULD GO ON TO HEAD THE GERMAN ATOMIC BOMB PROJECT AND SERVE PRISON TIME AFTER THE WAR FOR HIS INVOLVEMENT WITH THE THIRD REICH.

No, the Jews did not want to give credit to any of a number of Germans, Austrians, Irishmen, Frenchmen, Scotsmen, Englishmen, and even Americans who had contributed to the body of knowledge and evidence from which Einstein plagiarized and stole his work.

Instead, they needed to erect Einstein as their golden calf, even though he repeatedly and often embarrassed himself with his nonfactual or nearsighted comments regarding the work he had supposedly done. For example, in 1934, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ran a front page article in which Einstein gave an "emphatic denial" regarding the idea of practical applications for the "energy of the atom." The article says, "But the 'energy of the atom' is something else again. If you believe that man will someday be able to harness this boundless energy-to drive a great steamship across the ocean on a pint of water, for instance - then, according to Einstein, you are wrong"

Again, Einstein clearly did not understand the branch of physics he had supposedly founded, though elsewhere in the world at the time theoretical research was underway that would lead to the atomic bomb and nuclear energy.

But after Einstein was promoted as a god in 1919, he made no real attempts to plagiarize any other work. Rather, he began his real purpose - evangelizing for the cause of Zionism and World Jewry. Though he did publish other articles after this time, all of them were co- authored by at least one other person, and in each instance, Einstein had little if anything to do with the research that led to the articles; he was merely recruited by the co-authors in order to lend credence to their work. Thus freed of the pretense of academia, Einstein began his assault for World Zionism.

In 1921, Einstein made his first visit to the United States on a fund- raising tour for the Hebrew University in Jerusalem and to promote Zionism. In April of 1922, Einstein used his status to gain membership in a Commission of the League of Nations. In February of 1923, Einstein visited Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. In June of 1923, he became a founding member of the Association of Friends of the New Russia. In 1926, Einstein took a break from his Communist and Zionistic activities to again embarrass himself scientifically by criticizing the work of Schr"dinger and Heisenberg. Following a brief illness, he resumed his Zionistic agenda, wanting an independent Israel and at the same time a World Government.

In the 1930s he actively campaigns against all forms of war, although he would reverse this position during World War II when he advocated war against Germany and the creation of the atomic bomb, which he thought was impossible to build. In 1939 and 1940, Einstein, at the request of other Jews, wrote two letters to Roosevelt urging an American program to develop an atomic bomb to be used on Germany - not Japan. Einstein would have no part in the actual construction of the bomb, theoretical or practical, because he lacked the skills for either.

In December of 1946, Einstein rekindled his efforts for a World Government, with Israel apparently being the only autonomous nation. This push continued through the rest of the 1940s. In 1952, Einstein, who had been instrumental in the creation of the State of Israel, both politically and economically, was offered the presidency of Israel. He declined. In 1953, he spent his time attacking the McCarthy Committee, and he supported Communists such as J. Robert Oppenheimer. He encouraged civil disobedience in response to the McCarthy trials. Finally, on April 18, 1955, this Jewish demagogue died.

Dead, the Jews no longer had to worry about Einstein making stupid statements. His death was just the beginning of his usage and exploitation by World Jewry. The Jewish-controlled media continued to promote the myth of this Super-Jew long after his death, and as more and more of the men who knew better died off, the Jews were more and more able to aggrandize his myth and lie more boldly. This brazen lying has culminated in the Jew-controlled Time Magazine naming Einstein "The Person of the Century".

Einstein was given this title in spite of the clear-cut choice for the "Person of the Century," Adolf Hitler. Hitler was indeed named "Man of the Year" while he was still living by Time Magazine, and according to a December 27, 1999, article in the USA Today, Einstein was chosen over Adolf Hitler because of the perceived "nasty public relations fallout" that would accompany that choice; yet in internet polling by Time, Hitler finished third and was the top serious candidate. Still the issue of Time Magazine dedicated to Einstein, which has articles by men with names like Isaacson, Golden, Stein, Rudenstine, and Rosenblatt, is interesting to read. For one, they found it necessary to include an article rationalizing why they did not pick the obvious choice, Adolf Hitler. But more interesting is the article by Stephen Hawking which purports to be a history of the theory of relativity. In it, Hawking admits many things in this article, such as the fact that Hilbert published the General Theory of Relativity before Einstein and that FitzGerald and Lorentz deduced the concept of relativity long before Einstein. Hawking also writes:

"Einstein was deeply disturbed by the work of Werner Heisenberg in Copenhagen, Paul Dirac in Cambridge and Erwin Schr"dinger in Zurich, who developed a new picture of reality called quantum mechanics. Einstein was horrified by this. Most scientists, however, accepted the validity of the new quantum laws because they showed excellent agreement with observations. They are the basis of modern developments in chemistry, molecular biology and electronics and the foundation of the technology that has transformed the world in the past half- century".

This is all very true, yet the same magazine credits Einstein with all of the modern developments that Hawking names, even through Einstein was so stupid as to be vehemently against the most important idea of modern science, just as he opposed Schr"dinger's work in unified field theory which was far ahead of its time. The same magazine admits that "success eluded" Einstein in the field of explaining the contradictions between relativity and quantum mechanics. Today, these contradictions are explained by the unified field theory, but Einstein, who proved himself to be one of the least intelligent of 20th century scientists, refused to believe in either quantum theory or the unified field theory.

To name Einstein as "The Person of the Century" is one of the most ludicrous and absurd lies of all time, yet it has been successfully pulled off by Isaacson, Golden, Stein, Rudenstine, and Rosenblatt and the Jewish owners of Time Magazine. If the Jews at Time wanted to give the title to an inventor or scientist, then the most obvious choice would have been men like Hilbert, Planck, or Heisenberg. If they wanted to give it to the scientist who most fundamentally changed the lands 20th century science, then the obvious choice would be William Shockley. This Nobel prize winning scientist invented the transistor, which is the basis of all modern electronic devices and computers, everything from modern cars and telephones, VCRs and watches, to the amazing computers which have allowed incomprehensible advances in all fields of science. Without the transistor, all forms of science today would be basically in the same place that they were in the late 1940s.

However, the Jews cannot allow the due credit to go to William Shockley because he spent the majority of his scientific career demonstrating the genetic and mental inferiority of non-whites and arguing for their sterilization. His scientific, genetic views led the Jews to financially destroy Shockley who founded Shockley Semiconductor the first company in Silicon Valley, his hometown, to develop computer chips. The Jews hired away his entire staff and used them to start Fairchild semiconductor in 1957 (co-founded by the "Traitorous Eight": Julius Blank, Victor Grinich, Jean Hoerni, Gene Kleiner, Jay Last, Gordon Moore, Robert Noyce and Sheldon Roberts. Robert Noyce and Gordon Moore left Fairchild in 1968 to found Intelco . Many other Fairchild employees later the company - later called Intel.

No the Jews could not let any of the truly great geniuses of our time be recognized, not Henry Ford, not the great German scientists who helped the National Socialists in Germany, not Charles Lindbergh, who was sympathetic to National Socialist causes, and certainly not William Shockley, one of the most brilliant physicists and geneticists of our time. Instead, the Jews propped up the Zionist, Communist Albert Einstein who hated everything white.

After World War II, Einstein demonstrated his hatred of the White Race and of the Germans in particular in the following statements. He was asked what he thought about Germany and about re-educating the Germans after the war and said:

"The nation has been on the decline mentally and morally since 1870. Behind the Nazi party stands the German people, who elected Hitler after he had in his book and in his speeches made his shameful intentions clear beyond the possibility of misunderstanding. The Germans can be killed or constrained after the war, but they cannot be re-educated to a democratic way of thinking and acting".

Einstein here is advocating the murder of Germans, because he feels that this is the only way that they can be kept in check. He is right about one thing, the Germans did knowingly support the cause of National Socialism, but what Einstein is attacking is Christianity, because it was Christianity that led the German people to overwhelmingly support National Socialism. It was the German Christian Faith Movement and the Christian Social Party of men like Karl Lueger that led the German people to their understanding of Jews. The Jew Daniel Goldhagen has recently shown the Christian basis of National Socialism in his book, Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust, and the book Why The Jews? by Prager and Telushkin similarly proves the Christian origins of what the Jews call 'anti-Semitism.' Einstein understood this and Einstein, like all Jews, hated Christianity. So what Einstein was really advocating was the killing and constraining of all true Christians, not just Germans Christians. This is the true purpose and intent of Zionism and the demagogue Einstein was merely a tool of World Zionism and Jewry towards this end.

Zionistic Jews understand that true, primitive Christianity is the mortal enemy of mongrel Judaism. This is why the Jews, like Einstein, hated Nazi Germany so much, for National Socialist Germany advocated primitive, positive Christianity in the 24th point of its Party Platform.

Lewis L. Strauss, the Zionist Chairman of the US Atomic Commission, must have had in mind storing the world stock of A and H bombs in the neutral country of Israel (also chosen for the United Nations' permanent headquarters) for safekeeping to 'satisfy Russian demands,' when, as reported in the London Jewish Chronicle of 11th December, 1953, he 'assisted' President Eisenhower in writing the speech in which Eisenhower told the UN General Assembly that the USA would be prepared to ease international tension by handing over her Atom and Hydrogen weapons to UNO. Eisenhower does not hesitate to accept the advice of Strauss, although this Zionist financier is senior partner in the New York International Banking firm of Kuhn, Loeb and Co. which in 1917, under the direction of Jacob Schiff, then the acknowledged leader of world Jewry, financed the Bolshevist revolutionary Trotsky to the extent of 20 million dollars.

Albert Einstein, the Zionist scientist, (described by Pravda as one of the ten best friends of the Soviet Union in the USA) was also thinking along the same lines when he persuaded Roosevelt (Redfield) to authorize research into nuclear fission, and recommended the employment of other Zionist scientists, who were later to pass the result of the researches to the Soviet Union.

Oppenheimer, the chief Einstein appointee, now in disgrace for Communist sympathies, and holding up production of the hydrogen bombs until Russia came into possession of its secrets: Pontecorvo, the entire host of Zionist scientists and agents working for Communism in the notorious spy rings of America, Canada, Australia and Great Britain: all have obviously been striving to bring about the present situation.

It is this overriding ambition which drives Zionists, even the most wealthy, to support Communism, either openly or secretly, only to bring the world to a point where it would seem it must accept their long envisaged 'peace plan.' "One of the major reasons for my visit to the United States," said the mayor of Jerusalem, according to the South African Jewish Times of 14th March, 1952, "is to interest Americans in the beautification of Jerusalem, the Capital of the World, no less than the Capital of Israel."

It all has been decided as described above. Why has so little been heard about it? For the simple reason that IT HAS BEEN DECIDED. The matter will not be thrown open for Gentile discussion in the popular (?) press UNTIL the Nations are browbeaten to the point where they are ready to acknowledge the Zionists' "International Super-Government, and WITH SUBMISSIVENESS".

(Note: On November 21, 1954, Czecho-Slovakia called upon the Western Powers to delay signing the Paris Agreement regarding the re-armament of West Germany, until they had discussed with the Russian bloc an agreement which might eventually result in a United States of Europe. A 'United States of Europe' was the aim of Trotsky stated in Bolshevism and World Peace, published in 1918. "The task of the proletariat is to create a still more powerful fatherland with a far greater power of resistance?the Republican United States of Europe, as the foundation of the United States of the World").

Jews have been heavily overrepresented among the ranks of theoretical physicists. This conclusion remains true even though Einstein, the leading figure among Jewish physicists, was a strongly motivated Zionist (F"lsing 1997, 494505), opposed assimilation as a contemptible form of mimicry (p. 490), preferred to mix with other Jews whom he referred to as his tribal companions (p. 489), embraced the uncritical support for the Bolshevik regime in Russia typical of so many Jews during the 1920s and 1930s, including persistent apology for the Moscow show trials in the 1930s (pp. 6445), and switched from a high-minded pacifism during World War I, when Jewish interests were not at stake, to advocating the building of atomic bombs to defeat Hitler. From his teenage years he disliked the Germans and in later life criticized Jewish colleagues for converting to Christianity and acting like Prussians. He especially disliked Prussians, who were the elite ethnic group in Germany. Reviewing his life at age 73, Einstein declared his ethnic affiliation in no uncertain terms: 'My relationship with Jewry had become my strongest human tie once I achieved complete clarity about our precarious position among the nations' (in F"lsing 1997, 488). According to F"lsing, Einstein had begun developing this clarity from an early age, but did not acknowledge it until much later, a form of self-deception: As a young man with bourgeois-liberal views and a belief in enlightenment, he had refused to acknowledge it until much later, a form of self-deception: As a young man with bourgeois-liberal views and a belief in enlightenment, he had refused to acknowledge [his Jewish identity] (in F"lsing 1997, 488).
Fire from the Sky
By One Who Knows
(www.subversiveelement.com/firefromsky29.html)
Albert Einstein is a good example of another deception and hoax involved with the atomic bomb program. When many people think of the atomic bomb they think of Einstein. He was presented as the world's greatest scientist, and a hero of the atomic bomb program. Upon closer inspection, you will find that his major contributions were his use of his influence to obtain President Roosevelt's support for the bomb and he was the one personally responsible for bringing the major Communist atomic spy Klaus Fuchs into the Program. The Russians know nothing about the atomic bomb until Fuchs brought it to their attention in 1942. (*Heisenberg's War,* p. 524).

Thanks to Fuchs, (and to a massive amount of Secret material illegally shipped through Lend-Lease) they were able to explode their own bomb in 1949. Einstein was a communist cell member with Fuchs. Fuchs was the top scientist on the Manhattan Project and he gave the atomic secrets to the Soviets. (Jordan, George Recey, *From Major Jordan's Diaries,* Harcourt, Brace and Co., New York, 1952.)

We are taught that Einstein is the author of the Theory of Relativity, yet evidence has come for the proving that the real author was Mileva Maric, Einstein's first wife.

Einstein had a reputation at the Swiss Polytechnic Institute in Zurich of being a man with poor work habits and was often reprimanded for laziness during all his school years, including the University. He developed a romance with classmate Mileva who helped him with his math. His autobiography says "In my work participated a Serbian student Mileva Maric who I married later." She had an illegitimate daughter in 1902, which they gave up for adoption. They got married in 1903, separated in 1912 and divorced in 1919. This is when Einstein married his cousin Elsa. The original manuscript of the *The Theory of Relativity* submitted for publication had Maric's name on it as co-author.

For more proof, see the article "Theory of Relativity?Who is its Real Author?" by Dr. Rastko Maglic and J. W. McGinnis, President, International Tesla Society, in the Jul/Aug 1994 issue of *Extraordinary Science* magazine, which contains references for further documentation.

Einstein was a hoax and fraud saddled on the scientific community to prevent them from learning too much and to promote Jews as being superior, sort of Nazism in reverse.

Einstein's famous equation "E=MC squared" is WRONG, or at best only partially correct. His definition of energy is WRONG, his definition of mass is WRONG, C is defined as the top speed possible for anything, then it is squared, which would be even faster and thus contradicts the definition. Light is described as a constant, which is WRONG as defined. In a higher understanding, light does not move, our perception of the speed of light is WRONG.

Those who REALLY understand, and who can prove it by creating matter out of "nothing" for instance, say that the original WHITE LIGHT is invisible and still. Read books by Walter Russell for more information.

Einstein was a Zionist with membership in at least 16 Communist front organizations such as Friends of the Soviet. Einstein was head of the Jewish Black Book Committee, which was listed as a Communist front in the 1947 House Un-American Activities Committee Report.

The correct science being discovered and revealed by such as Nikola Tesla, Walter Russell, Tom Bearden, Andrija Puharich, etc., was suppressed to prevent humanity from achieving energy independence (and thus political and military independence) from the Rockefeller/Rothschild oil/nuclear energy barons. This same technology leads to understanding of good health, and thus independence from the drug/medical crowd, who happen to be the same oil crowd crooks. einstein.htm
Also see Albert Einstein: A Jewish Myth, Italian Published E=mc2 Two Years Before Einstein and The Eclipse of 1919  Albert Einstein: Plagiarist of the Century?  Nexus Magazine, vol.11 #1, Dec-Jan.,2004  Albert Einstein:The Incorrigible Plagiarist  The Secret History of the Atomic Bomb  The Manufacture and Sale of Einstein by Christopher Jon Bjerknes
The Theory of Anti-Relativity

Commentary from a Reader with some scientific background (melundbe@mtu.edu):

Hi, I came across your little webpage about how Einstein was not a brilliant physicist. I'm sure you don't want glaring holes in the quality of your writings, so I'd like to inform you of a few problems with your article's logic.

Almost your entire article surrounds the idea of "HE STOLE THE IDEAS AND PLAGIARIZED THE PAPERS", but this not a valid argument for a few reasons. Everyone steals ideas in science, it's called learning things. The whole of a science is more than the sum of its parts, it is also how the parts connect.

No scientist works in a vacuum. Legend has it Newton himself said "If I have seen farther than other men, it was by standing on the shoulders of giants". He acknowledged the great thinkers before him. What you're missing is that it's the same for Einstein. What he brought to physics wasn't a bunch of new stuff, it was more like bringing a method for the madness.

Lorentz had the math worked out (it's likely Einstein's wife did much of the math, but it is not unusual for scientists to have other people do part of the work), Maxwell figured out what light was, Planck got us stuck with quantum theory, and Newton supplied his well-established classical theory of mechanics. What Einstein did was read these papers, sit back in his patent-office seat, and ask himself "What sort of assumptions can I make that results in physical behavior like this?", and he boiled it down to just two short sentences. " Physical Laws are invariant in inertial reference frames", and "Speed of Light radiation in a vacuum is constant".

Using this and the previous theories I mentioned, physicists were able to rederive their science, but this time with understanding. There's a world of difference between finding a law and understanding the underlying theory. This has allowed them to progress further. Relativity explains mass-energy equivalence, and suggests avenues to explore the reason inertial mass and gravitational mass are the same. Connecting the dots is a very important thing in science, and the ones that do it are usually hailed as great men (germ theory, gene theory, etc).

It had been shown that for most cases on Earth and in the Solar System, classical mechanics equations and the law of gravity work very well. That means any new theories had to agree with with Newton in these realms. Special Relativity agrees in most cases we observe (which is why engineers study Classical Mechanics), and solves some problems for us in more exotic locales and situations. What Mercury showed us wasn't just gravitational lensing, its orbit is also a little too fast for Newton's laws.

While some of the weirdness in the orbit can be explained by an invisible planet, Relativity calculates Mercury's observed orbit perfectly. Since Mercury, there have been uncounted more detailed observations in astronomy and in high-energy particle experiments that validates this theory. Actually, this makes it one of the "truest" descriptions of reality.

The dots connected by the Brownian motion paper are less far-reaching, but still significant enough for anyone to be proud of. In this paper (which I haven't read, to be honest), Einstein puts some quantum theory in with statistical mechanics type stuff, and out comes a reason for the odd behavior exhibited by Brownian motion. It's very math-intensive, which is why I never got into it, but it served a great use at the time in establishing quantum theory.

Finally, the photoelectric effect. This demonstrates wave-particle duality of light. Since Newton, wave theory of light was very popular again(but not universally accepted), and Einstein helped swing the pendulum firmly to the middle, where it belongs. Also, physicists were now able to control electrons better, which was good for experimental reasons.

In conclusion, I just want to say that all of Einstein's theories would have been discovered by other people. He just got there first, by coming from outside the establishment and looking at it with a new perspective. His findings were very important, of this there can be no doubt. And he was intelligent. How else can you explain how he could constantly hang out with so many incredibly smart men?


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Anyone who has studied much Physics will tell you that Special Relativity was mostly created by Poincare and Lorentz. The seminal 1905 paper by the plagiarist Einstein had no references! His 1915 paper on General Relativity, was submitted for publication two weeks after Hilbert's deduction of the equations, and it is Hilbert's Lagrangian technique that is used today to derive the field equations, not the idiotic heuristics of Einstein. Even E = mc2 was derived in the mid 1800s (well before Einstein ever stole anything).

Nikola Tesla regarded Relativity as the greatest historical aberration of scientific thought. Relativity is no more than a philosophical standpoint, a virus to infect a "New Age". From the standpoint of the electrical engineer Einstein?s Relativity is "Bravo-Sierra"! However, it has sunk its roots into the basic consideration of Inductance and Capacitance. L and C represent co-efficients of aetheric processes, and as such represent the aether, not Relativity. Albert Einstein stands in the way of Michael Faraday, and Pharisees are now Physicists (? Eric Dollard).


Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Makaveli on September 02, 2017, 02:25:14 PM
I am serious.

What I have read past this phrase is a load of another conspirological crap. I am not going to get into this, there are relatives of those innocent people, there are billion of scholarly and scientific articles on the issue of nuclear weapons from both international law and scientific positions, there are interviews of survivors, there are societies in Japan established to bring U.S. to court for their crimes (but they are blocked by Japan government for obvious reasons) and the conspiracy freaks will surely come up with any excuse just to make something else true to them as a part in the chain of their circular logic.

Yes they are secret, yes they are immoral, yes any power over people should be ceased, but dreadful events surely happened and instead of trying to disprove them based on nonsensical "evidence" such as photos and a tinfoil hat logic, we need to think on how to pass create a generation of conscious people who are against exploitation, and to do so one has to being with him/herself.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Abdun Nur on September 02, 2017, 02:38:05 PM
War by deception is the Israeli motto, physics has been stagnant since the 1930's, because the universities were forced by the bankers to teach bullshit, none of the information I posted is a theory, it is information, next you'll be telling me vaccines work, I realize the Prussian school of education removes the ability to reason and replaces it with the blind acceptance of authority, and I realize the response that is ingrained into people when confronted with information that refutes the authority they follow blindly is to state conspiracy theory.

William Casey, CIA Director 1981-1987

?We?ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.?

?I am the source for this quote, which was indeed said by CIA Director William Casey at an early February 1981 meeting of the newly elected President Reagan with his new cabinet secretaries to report to him on what they had learned about their agencies in the first couple of weeks of the administration. The meeting was in the Roosevelt Room in the West Wing of the White House, not far from the Cabinet Room. I was present at the meeting as Assistant to the chief domestic policy adviser to the President. Casey first told Reagan that he had been astonished to discover that over 80 percent of the ?intelligence? that the analysis side of the CIA produced was based on open public sources like newspapers and magazines. As he did to all the other secretaries of their departments and agencies, Reagan asked what he saw as his goal as director for the CIA, to which he replied with this quote, which I recorded in my notes of the meeting as he said it. Shortly thereafter I told Senior White House correspondent Sarah McClendon, who was a close friend and colleague, who in turn made it public.?
Barbara Honegger
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on September 02, 2017, 02:42:11 PM
Zulf,

Do you deny the holocaust happened? That there is no evidence of it?

Be well
Qarael Amenuel

I don't believe that there is a giant ice-wall surrounding a disc Earth. There are no evidence in any shape that I'm aware of that even slightly indicates the presence of an ice wall. Same for glass dome. Not only are there no evidence for those, but rather, everything scientific and empirical speaks against the theory in which the ice wall, or glass dome, are promoted.

What happened in the past can only be verified through remaining accounts, artifacts or other traces. Sometimes they are conclusive, sometimes they are not. Regarding things like the shape of Earth (no matter how irrelevant that topic is) it is something that can be studied in the now. It is not something of the past. Earth is here right now to be studied.

So, one could argue (by right of faith) that Earth is flat, while at the same time not insisting on the presence of an ice wall (due to utter lack of evidence of such a thing's existence). But it won't change much since the issue at the core is not the attributes like an ice wall or a glass dome, but rather the shape of the Earthly terrestrial realm. When it come to the shape, observations, math and logic shows conclusively that Earth is not flat, and that the globe model (assuming we have not seen Earth from space) fits with observations as well as predictions in time and space.

There are YouTube videos of high standard (among other less original and thorough ones) that go through all calculations and show step by step why the flat model is false. There is no room for faith/belief/emotions/opinions in this. Facts are facts and open to see for anyone who so desires. This shape-of-Earth issue is a simple and mundane one, unlike many religious issues of purpose, meaning, moral and ethics etc.

 O0 O0 O0

Harmony and Peace
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on September 02, 2017, 02:46:54 PM
Remember guys when I said I hit my head against the wall hundreds of times reading some posts?

I have decided to empty my brain.I felt like getting all those certificates from school.college and university and shredding them.They were lying to me. It is all fake!!!!

And here is me thinking there cannot be ideas and beliefs worse than hadiths!!!!!

Ok so let us take stock.
History is fake. every thing and everybody in history  books never happened.
Every book written in history and about history are fiction
Adam,Moses,Tom Dick and Harry are made up fictional characters.
Hitler was a saint, Ghandi was a criminal and princess Diana was the Illuminati.
Satan is the prince of light, What I am talking about ,there is no satan.
Jews are not Beni Israeel. The holocaust was a fiction novel by Nataniahu.
Darwin was  a Chimp and humans came from dinosaurs. Dinosaurs never walked this earth.
 Aquimi Salat is not a ritual prayer,hajj is" debate" yourself and I am wasting my time here.
Sawm is to shut up,Zakat is taking a bath and sujud is kissing the hand of the Pope.
... OK so some are facts and some are made up!!! Only I have no idea any more of what are facts and what are made up.

Guys do you get the impression that some here are aliens?
Do not trust someone just because  he claims he is "good logic"!!!!

Fine I give up. I am off to bed. I am dreaming.
GOD bless.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Makaveli on September 02, 2017, 02:54:12 PM
War by deception is the Israeli motto, physics has been stagnant since the 1930's, because the universities were forced by the bankers to teach bullshit, none of the information I posted is a theory, it is information, next you'll be telling me vaccines work, I realize the Prussian school of education removes the ability to reason and replaces it with the blind acceptance of authority, and I realize the response that is ingrained into people when confronted with information that refutes the authority they follow blindly is to state conspiracy theory.

William Casey, CIA Director 1981-1987

?We?ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.?

?I am the source for this quote, which was indeed said by CIA Director William Casey at an early February 1981 meeting of the newly elected President Reagan with his new cabinet secretaries to report to him on what they had learned about their agencies in the first couple of weeks of the administration. The meeting was in the Roosevelt Room in the West Wing of the White House, not far from the Cabinet Room. I was present at the meeting as Assistant to the chief domestic policy adviser to the President. Casey first told Reagan that he had been astonished to discover that over 80 percent of the ?intelligence? that the analysis side of the CIA produced was based on open public sources like newspapers and magazines. As he did to all the other secretaries of their departments and agencies, Reagan asked what he saw as his goal as director for the CIA, to which he replied with this quote, which I recorded in my notes of the meeting as he said it. Shortly thereafter I told Senior White House correspondent Sarah McClendon, who was a close friend and colleague, who in turn made it public.?
Barbara Honegger

There is zero among the facts that you provided. And the CIA quote has nothing to do with what we discuss here, which is your delusion. Propaganda is everywhere and I can see it daily in ANY media. It does not mean that the alternative tinfoil fairy tales are any better, as they work the same as propaganda. Holocaust did happen, just because a lot of Jews exploit it for political reasons does not mean it did not happen. Many nations exploit past events for political reasons, including 9th May which in Russia is a holy day, while most of the rest of the world does not give a damn. They use exclusively to herd their electoral population, which becomes stupid with each day. It does not mean that there was no WWII, however.

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on September 02, 2017, 02:58:00 PM
Remember guys when I said I hit my head against the wall hundreds of times reading some posts?

I have decided to empty my brain.I felt like getting all those certificates from school.college and university and shredding them.They were lying to me. It is all fake!!!!

And here is me thinking there cannot be ideas and beliefs worse than hadiths!!!!!

Ok so let us take stock.
History is fake. every thing and everybody in history  books never happened.
Every book written in history and about history are fiction
Adam,Moses,Tom Dick and Harry are made up fictional characters.
Hitler was a saint, Ghandi was a criminal and princess Diana was the Illuminati.
Satan is the prince of light, What I am talking about ,there is no satan.
Jews are not Beni Israeel. The holocaust was a fiction novel by Nataniahu.
Darwin was  a Chimp and humans came from dinosaurs. Dinosaurs never walked this earth.
 Aquimi Salat is not a ritual prayer,hajj is" debate" yourself and I am wasting my time here.
Sawm is to shut up,Zakat is taking a bath and sujud is kissing the hand of the Pope.
... OK so some are facts and some are made up!!! Only I have no idea any more of what are facts and what are made up.

Guys do you get the impression that some here are aliens?
Do not trust someone just because  he claims he is "good logic"!!!!

Fine I give up. I am off to bed. I am dreaming.
GOD bless.
Peace.

 :) But luckily, we don't need to be perfect. We cannot find the ultimate truth about everything that has transpired in this world. Rather, we don't need to. It's not necessary.

Scientists use theories. If they're fake, they won't work, so they'll keep searching for theories that do work. When we get new or improved technology, then we know the underlying theories must be correct to some degree. What works works.

What happened in the past is actually irrelevant. Why do we need to know? We know what we have NOW. The past is in any case only used for judging and labeling others. We rarely learn from the past so the past is not worth much.

The real problem is that we are frantically running around this world and life trying to build an identity for ourselves. We are self made fictional characters of our own mind.

So relax
Peace 8)
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Makaveli on September 02, 2017, 02:58:46 PM
There are YouTube videos of high standard (among other less original and thorough ones) that go through all calculations and show step by step why the flat model is false.

One thing I would add that what flatearthers DO NOT do is invent their own physics and math. How can they even argue with something where people literally invested years of brainstorming and studying? If they want to disprove geocentric model, why don't they use actual science to do this, instead of silly conspiracy theories? It took me as little as 1,5 hours to understand all their core [and silly] arguments. And it takes years for someone to become a physicist.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on September 02, 2017, 03:04:32 PM
Actually the dream I am having is  a nightmare.
How can I forget:

We never went to the moon,we went to the sun but all the evidence was burnt .
Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a "false flag". ISIS did it or so they will claim.
9/11 was an accident waiting to happen. The planes were flying saucers disguised.

I better go back to sleep.
GOD bless.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on September 02, 2017, 03:08:13 PM
There is zero among the facts that you provided. And the CIA quote has nothing to do with what we discuss here, which is your delusion. Propaganda is everywhere and I can see it daily in ANY media. It does not mean that the alternative tinfoil fairy tales are any better, as they work the same as propaganda. Holocaust did happen, just because a lot of Jews exploit it for political reasons does not mean it did not happen. Many nations exploit past events for political reasons, including 9th May which in Russia is a holy day, while most of the rest of the world does not give a damn. They use exclusively to herd their electoral population, which becomes stupid with each day. It does not mean that there was no WWII, however.

I'll add to that: The mind of the human being works in such a way that it demands to be fooled. People unconsciously want to be fooled. It simply feels better. There is no need for an evil elite to forcefully deceive people. Such an elite is an expression and necessity of the human nature and (current) state of mind. We are not subjected to this. We collectively create it. If such an elite suddenly would commit mass suicide, then new ones would spring up from the collective of human beings. All this is because we don't know ourselves. We are fictional characters of our own minds. Our real selves, that pure core teachings of religion point towards, are something most of us are unfamiliar with.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on September 02, 2017, 03:12:34 PM
So the shape of Earth is irrelevant in one sense, but quite relevant in two other ways.
It is relevant if we care about stuff like gps, time measurements, air travel, astronomical predictions (calculations).
Also, it is relevant in terms of academic honesty, personal development, psychology and such.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Abdun Nur on September 02, 2017, 03:14:15 PM
OK, consider recent history, do you trust it?

For example the events of 2001 September 11th, do you accept 100% the authoritative version of those events? What do you accept and why?

Most university degrees are worthless, isn't that both self evident and common knowledge.

History is a mix of truth and lies, dependent on the individual historical claim, most religious characters are fictional, Hitler was a psychopath, most leaders are, Satan is a fiction, the holocaust was needed to fulfill their religious prophecy to give religious validation to the invasion of Palestine, the rest of your list was gibberish.

What you should do is investigate using reason, does the evidence support the claim from authority?

In some instances it does, in others it does not, take the stagnation of physics why did they stagnate it, simple over unity systems were being created before the 1930's as physics was expanding knowledge at a fast pace, this threatened the monopoly on energy the elite had created, that was addressed.

It was clear towards the end of the second world war the masses had, had quite enough of war, this was a problem, they needed a way to generate fear to maintain the war machine, which generates wealth for the elite and maintains their control structure, so the Ashkenazi came up with the fiction of nuclear weapons, which addressed the problem.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Faith on September 02, 2017, 03:43:40 PM
What about TELLUS?
Earth is Old English and German in origin. Terra is a Latin word, and so isn't part of the 'Earth' etymology. Tierra is a spanish word and Terre is a french word.
The common conclusion in all languages is that they were all derived from the same meaning in their origins, which is ground, soil, land etc.
Peace. (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/kaffeetrinker_2.gif)
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Makaveli on September 02, 2017, 03:53:20 PM
OK, consider recent history, do you trust it?

For example the events of 2001 September 11th, do you accept 100% the authoritative version of those events? What do you accept and why?

I accept that it might have in fact been Muslims who carried out the attack, but I don't accept that the government and secret services have nothing to do with it. I am interested in the one who is behind and not the one who merely pulls a trigger. But the 9/11 clearly happened, nonetheless. Or you will deny it? I am sure that 100 years after now there will be people like you saying that 9/11 did not happen it is a hoax that Americans now use as Jews now use halacaust.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Abdun Nur on September 02, 2017, 04:08:52 PM
I am not denying anything, three tower blocks were demolished using explosive wired throughout the buildings, which allowed them to collapse into their own footprint. No Muslims were involved as far as the evidence goes.

You are invested in the lie of the Jewish holocaust? You seem put out by it being questioned or refuted?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Makaveli on September 02, 2017, 04:21:44 PM
I am not denying anything

Except for most of the events, historical personalities, and discoveries which you don't like the sound of.

You are invested in the lie of the Jewish holocaust? You seem put out by it being questioned or refuted?

Yep, I am a high Zionist priest in disguise, also a 33 degree Freemason and a Master of London High Lodge. But of course you won't believe me so I will just secretly carry on my agenda to continue brainwash people on holocaust  :yay:

On a serious note, whatever. You seem deluded as usual, now more than before.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Noon waalqalami on September 02, 2017, 04:28:47 PM
Peace, if you haven't had a chance to see it i.e. verify for yourself looks like a star traveling across the sky.

https://spotthestation.nasa.gov/sightings/

Several times a week, Mission Control at NASA?s Johnson Space Center in Houston, TX, determines sighting opportunities for over 6,700 locations worldwide. If your specific city or town isn?t listed, pick one that is fairly close to you. The space station is visible for a long distance around each of the listed locations.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Abdun Nur on September 02, 2017, 04:39:09 PM
I'm certainly not the deluded one makaveli, and my opinion of you have not altered.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Faith on September 02, 2017, 06:37:16 PM
Peace, if you haven't had a chance to see it i.e. verify for yourself looks like a star traveling across the sky.

https://spotthestation.nasa.gov/sightings/

Several times a week, Mission Control at NASA?s Johnson Space Center in Houston, TX, determines sighting opportunities for over 6,700 locations worldwide. If your specific city or town isn?t listed, pick one that is fairly close to you. The space station is visible for a long distance around each of the listed locations.

Greetings,
It looks more like a dot.
NASA tells you where the dot will be, and you call it the ISS while it could be some drone or plane passing by. You can't possibily see the ISS at the altitude it is at.

55:33   O assembly of Jinn and mankind, if you can penetrate the boundaries of the heavens and the earth, then go ahead and penetrate. You will not penetrate without might.
55:34   So which of the favors of your Lord will you deny?

The verses speak for themselves, unless you believe in something else.
Peace. (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/kaffeetrinker_2.gif)
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Man of Faith on September 03, 2017, 12:52:44 AM
Earth is Old English and German in origin. Terra is a Latin word, and so isn't part of the 'Earth' etymology. Tierra is a spanish word and Terre is a french word.
The common conclusion in all languages is that they were all derived from the same meaning in their origins, which is ground, soil, land etc.
Peace. (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/kaffeetrinker_2.gif)

Earth is more than Old English and German in origin. The Arabic/Semitic ارض ardh is a derivative.

Earth means "is visible foundation", if to speak of morphology.

Be well
Qarael Amenuel
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Cerberus on September 03, 2017, 12:54:49 AM
There is this well known riddle used by Elon Musk in job interviews (probably to get rid of flat earthers).

If you go 1 mile south then 1 mile east/west and then 1 mile north, and you end up exactly where you started, where are you ?
One of the answers is the north pole.
Of course, the appropriate coordinate system to visualize it is the spherical one:
(http://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/eps-gif/SphericalCoordinates_1201.gif)

You can also check out a detailed answer and other correct answers (https://mindyourdecisions.com/blog/2011/02/22/one-mile-south-one-mile-east-one-mile-north-a-classic-puzzle/)
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Faith on September 03, 2017, 02:49:15 AM
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Praise be to God, Lord of the Worlds. (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/kaffeetrinker_2.gif)
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Noon waalqalami on September 03, 2017, 06:28:15 AM
Greetings,
It looks more like a dot.
NASA tells you where the dot will be, and you call it the ISS while it could be some drone or plane passing by. You can't possibily see the ISS at the altitude it is at.

55:33   O assembly of Jinn and mankind, if you can penetrate the boundaries of the heavens and the earth, then go ahead and penetrate. You will not penetrate without might.
55:34   So which of the favors of your Lord will you deny?

The verses speak for themselves, unless you believe in something else.
Peace. (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/kaffeetrinker_2.gif)

Peace, a drone really; that travels at top speed 17,136 miles/hour and spotted in over 6,700 locations worldwide while traveling?

Why not go see it and tell friends in it's path 1,000 miles away to see it as well (1000 miles) / (4.76 (miles/s)) = ~3.5 min later?

55:33 ىمعشر O assembly الجن the jinn والانس and the humankind ان if استطعتم are able you ان that تنفذوا pass ye of من from اقطار boundaries السموت the heavens والارض and the land فانفذوا so pass ye of لا not تنفذون thou passing الا except بسلطان with authority

< ------------- >
اقطار boundaries
< ------------- >

^   ^   ^
|   |   |

السموت the heavens/sky (space station/satellites) والارض and the land

btw, for my senior thesis (A+) designed optimal spaceship delivery and signaling system. lol

Likewise you think all these countries with satellites in space are conspiring to fool you?

1550   UNITED STATES
1497   COMMONWEALTH OF INDEPENDENT STATES (FORMER USSR)
251   PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA
169   JAPAN
86   INDIA
84   GLOBALSTAR
84   INTERNATIONAL TELECOMMUNICATIONS SATELLITE ORGANIZATION
76   EUROPEAN SPACE AGENCY
65   FRANCE
53   GERMANY
52   SOCIETE EUROPEENNE DES SATELLITES
51   EUROPEAN TELECOMMUNICATIONS SATELLITE ORGANIZATION
47   CANADA
42   UNITED KINGDOM
41   ORBCOMM
27   ITALY
22   SOUTH KOREA
21   AUSTRALIA
20   SPAIN
17   BRAZIL
17   INTERNATIONAL MOBILE SATELLITE ORGANIZATION (INMARSAT)
17   ISRAEL
16   ARGENTINA
16   INDONESIA
14   TURKEY
13   ARAB SATELLITE COMMUNICATIONS ORGANIZATION
13   SAUDI ARABIA
12   MEXICO
12   O3B NETWORKS
12   SWEDEN
9   SINGAPORE
9   TAIWAN (REPUBLIC OF CHINA)
9   THAILAND
8   DENMARK
8   EUROPEAN ORGANISATION FOR THE EXPLOITATION OF METEOROLOGICAL SATELLITES
8   NORTH ATLANTIC TREATY ORGANIZATION
8   NORWAY
8   UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
7   ASIA SATELLITE TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMPANY (ASIASAT)
7   MALAYSIA
6   CZECH REPUBLIC (FORMER CZECHOSLOVAKIA)
6   KAZAKHSTAN
6   NETHERLANDS
6   NIGERIA
6   SOUTH AFRICA
5   ALGERIA
5   EGYPT
5   INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION
4   GREECE
4   LUXEMBOURG
3   CHILE
3   CHINA/BRAZIL
3   PAKISTAN
3   VIETNAM
2   BELARUS
2   ECUADOR
2   FRANCE/GERMANY
2   FRANCE/ITALY
2   NORTH KOREA
2   PHILIPPINES (REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES)
2   POLAND
2   PORTUGAL
2   REGIONAL AFRICAN SATELLITE COMMUNICATIONS ORGANIZATION
2   SINGAPORE/TAIWAN
2   VENEZUELA
1   AZERBAIJAN
1   BOLIVIA
1   BULGARIA
1   ESTONIA
1   IRAK
1   IRAN
1   LAOS
1   LITHUANIA
1   NEW ICO
1   PERU
1   SEA LAUNCH
1   TURKMENISTAN/MONACO
1   UNITED STATES/BRAZIL
1   URUGUAY
   
4579   satellites in space



25:61 تبارك blesseth الذى the one جعل made فى in السماء the heaven بروجا constellations of وجعل and made فىها therein سراجا sirājan/lamp of وقمرا and moon of (i.e. a moon) منىرا munīran/illuminate of (cross reference study this word)

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Faith on September 03, 2017, 02:28:54 PM
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Greetings,
I will not compromise with science. The Moon self illuminates. You know the exact number of satellites up in space! Where did this knowledge come from? You know its precise numbers.
I congratulate you on your A+ thesis. Education like that seems praise-worthy.. not.
Peace. (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/kaffeetrinker_2.gif)
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on September 03, 2017, 05:39:08 PM
peace everybody..

Hope everybody is doing well in life..

i am curious to know if any flat earth believer would like to share the method of LUNAR and SOLAR eclipse ?

everything and theory comes up with some sort of design i wonder why they did not find that design of solar and lunar eclipse in FE theory..

God bless you all..
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Faith on September 03, 2017, 06:52:00 PM
peace everybody..

Hope everybody is doing well in life..

i am curious to know if any flat earth believer would like to share the method of LUNAR and SOLAR eclipse ?

everything and theory comes up with some sort of design i wonder why they did not find that design of solar and lunar eclipse in FE theory..

God bless you all..
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Greetings,
Many lunar eclipses have occurred while both the sun and the moon have been visible above the horizon.
Either you believe in the illuminating Moon, or you believe in Science that says the Moon has no light of its own.
Peace. (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/kaffeetrinker_2.gif)
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on September 04, 2017, 02:39:22 PM
OK, you being a qualified scientist of some unspecified description, explain why water forms a perfect sphere if undisturbed in zero gravity?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn5KuSHguUE

Under the flat earthers thinking it should form a flat plain?

Or is the video a fake!!!!

Everyone has the ability of being a scientist, this is not a question qualification but application of true scientific methods.

Apparently you did not read my prior comments very well.
 
Are you not familiar with the scientific method?
Can you replicate this test yourself?
Is this something you can observe in your realm, every day environment?

Obviously not (in case anyone needed clarification). You and I cannot go to "space". You cannot verify this yourself. That isn't how true science works. In order to deem something scientifically valuable it should replicable.
However I would say it would be possible to do this with a vacuum which simulated weightlessness.

It is also a loaded question you are already assuming that the "experiment" is taking place in "space", zero gravity and that the liquid you are observing is H2O. You have not replicated the experiment yet you assume it is completely true in regards to the presentation that it appears to be in. That is unscientific.

I cannot speak for flat-earthers but again you are confusing multiple concepts. I don't know what you meant by water should form a flat plain but I can only assume you are referring to the FACT that Water is ALWAYS LEVEL. And IT IS. Other than these type of videos of supposed astronauts in space. You cannot find any natural contradiction to the notion that large bodies of water and even lesser ones than those always find their level.

Let us assume that indeed the experiment is taking place in a type of environment which recreates a similar effect to that of the supposed zero gravity. What does this have to do with the subject at hand?

This video explains more realistically how water would behave in zero gravity. A true pressure less environment.
https://youtu.be/UG7nsZkVZc0

Also water form spheres because it is least cost effective in terms of sum of surface tension it has to sustain.
Think of a water drop on a flat surface it forms a convex shape, or a rain drop etc...
The reason lies behind surface tension and cohesion of water's molecular structure.
 

I understand why you don't insist on the Icewall, or Glass?dome, as there are no evidence for them. I guess you've become more refined. Are you only sticking to the flatness itself of the Earth, and leave the details out in lack of evidence? I guess you've also abandoned the idea that pictures of Earth is CGI... I mean, where are the evidence?

Just wondering, because it could simplify an exchange of arguments between the standpoints of 'overall flat surface' vs 'globular surface'.

Do you have any idea of what shape the flat Earth surface has? I mean, assuming we don't think there are undiscovered continents, the known world need to be contained within some geometric limits. Is it a disc (as opposed to the globe)?

Peace

Yeah I never solidified any of my hypothesis concerning the firmament as it is not something anyone or I could test, however to say there is no evidence for there being a barrier above 73-80 km in the atmosphere is a blatant lie or perhaps lack of researching skills.
And I do not mean that offensively Zulf.
It is certainly not a metallic or glass dome, but it could VERY well be as I have before hypothesized before water or a very dense gas or layers of gases. (There are many elements missing form the periodic table  ;))

See this video for yourself. The evidence of a fluid is not easily refutable. Please consider the evidence presented thoroughly https://youtu.be/zNBOK-0u49I

 
Most of the pictures from NASA of the earth from outer space are CGI, the ones from the ISS which is "orbit" in my opinion vary between CGI and real photos taken at very high altitudes with high altitude balloons with fish eye lens and with superimposed images as satellites and etc...


Again it is unscientific to make those kinds of hypothesis about shape when it is not verifiable. How can you prove or disprove that in these arguments? It is not feasible nor necessary in the argument of the surface earth being planar.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Makaveli on September 04, 2017, 05:24:27 PM
See this video for yourself. The evidence of a fluid is not easily refutable. Please consider the evidence presented thoroughly https://youtu.be/zNBOK-0u49I

And this video proves exactly what? First they clearly cut the flight scene at 3:16-3:17 when landscape is changed suddenly. Secondly, they have added the sound of water in the "slowmo" scene at 9:18, it does not sound as if the rocket enters water at normal motion, not at all. It's clearly the sound of a small explosion to disconnect the rocket from the engine hence you can see the fragments fall down. Finally, it is hard to tell if the rocket is moving slower or faster since the rocket constantly twists.

I will tell you what this video does NOT have:

- clear flight path and orbit trajectory data (from which flight spots was the flight recorded?) Each Orbital path is calculated properly, see for instance [and countless other examples] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Genesis_Mission_Trajectory_and_Flight_Plan.jpg

- uncut scenes of the whole flight

- lack of populism

- Earth's moving speed taken into account

- any proof
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Faith on September 04, 2017, 06:47:21 PM
And this video proves exactly what? First they clearly cut the flight scene at 3:16-3:17 when landscape is changed suddenly. Secondly, they have added the sound of water in the "slowmo" scene at 9:18, it does not sound as if the rocket enters water at normal motion, not at all. It's clearly the sound of a small explosion to disconnect the rocket from the engine hence you can see the fragments fall down. Finally, it is hard to tell if the rocket is moving slower or faster since the rocket constantly twists.

I will tell you what this video does NOT have:

- clear flight path and orbit trajectory data (from which flight spots was the flight recorded?) Each Orbital path is calculated properly, see for instance [and countless other examples] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Genesis_Mission_Trajectory_and_Flight_Plan.jpg

- uncut scenes of the whole flight

- lack of populism

- Earth's moving speed taken into account

- any proof
Where's the proof for your curvature? Don't worry, your sources are pseudo. (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/kaffeetrinker_2.gif)

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Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on September 04, 2017, 07:21:04 PM
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Greetings,
Many lunar eclipses have occurred while both the sun and the moon have been visible above the horizon.
Either you believe in the illuminating Moon, or you believe in Science that says the Moon has no light of its own.
Peace. (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/kaffeetrinker_2.gif)

(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/Ghelyon.gif)

aah i remeber this post

there is no theory there...

actually as they claim the motionless earth with sun and moon on top of disk...

(http://thecreatorscalendar.com/wp-content/uploads/Flat-earth-lunar-eclipse-NOT-1.jpg)

now for solar eclipse the sun must b on top of moon ...
for lunar eclipse... moon must b on top...

error = equation wrong = flat earth model is not the reality ...

perhaps you are reffering to this model.. but you did not tell us how you explain the eclipse?

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Faith on September 04, 2017, 09:46:30 PM
(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/Ghelyon.gif)

aah i remeber this post

perhaps you are reffering to this model.. but you did not tell us how you explain the eclipse?
(http://i67.tinypic.com/ddjo6c.jpg)
You have no knowledge of the eclipses except through the eyes of NASA.
75:06   He asks: "When is the Day of Resurrection?"
75:07   So, when the sight is dazzled.
75:08   And the moon is eclipsed.
75:09   And the sun and the moon are joined together.
Explain this no light having scientific Moon. (http://yoursmiles.org/msmile/cool/m1904.gif)
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: reel on September 04, 2017, 10:31:03 PM
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You have no knowledge of the eclipses except through the eyes of NASA.

NASA isn't the only one with the power to study whats out there. Airforce, Navy and universities around the world have their own astronomy departments. Today, even the poorest countries can afford one without outside help. There are also those who are known as backyard astronomers. For something like this, evidence can be gathered easily. Some places allow independent studies. The evidence, thus, should not be difficult to get.



75:06   He asks: "When is the Day of Resurrection?"
75:07   So, when the sight is dazzled.
75:08   And the moon is eclipsed.
75:09   And the sun and the moon are joined together.
Explain this no light having scientific Moon. (http://yoursmiles.org/msmile/cool/m1904.gif)
Peace.

75:9 sounds more like the two losing their orbits.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Faith on September 04, 2017, 10:54:23 PM
NASA isn't the only one with the power to study whats out there. Airforce, Navy and universities around the world have their own astronomy departments. Today, even the poorest countries can afford one without outside help. There are also those who are known as backyard astronomers. For something like this, evidence can be gathered easily. Some places allow independent studies. The evidence, thus, should not be difficult to get.



75:9 sounds more like the two losing their orbits.
(http://i67.tinypic.com/dm9zk0.gif)
Oh, so they have cut off ties with NASA and have conducted their own study without sharing any of NASA's studies? You're mistaken.
Evidence can be gathered easily? Who determines whether these evidences are facts or not? It's clear that you've placed your trust in these studies.

"75:9 sounds more like the two losing their orbit." Excuse me, where does it say this?
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Man of Faith on September 04, 2017, 11:40:21 PM
Faith,

You do not prove your point by ridiculing those you discuss with. You prove your point by bringing evidence.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Faith on September 05, 2017, 12:38:50 AM
Faith,

You do not prove your point by ridiculing those you discuss with. You prove your point by bringing evidence.

Mr. "We can be like God", the evidence that would satisfy you isn't here.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Cerberus on September 05, 2017, 12:57:01 AM
Right, and making your text bold doesn't add any emphasis to your words, one cannot simply emphasize on void and meaningless words.

Perhaps the only interesting thing in your posts is those external smileys that you still bother to include in every post of yours. And even those aren't that interesting, considering there are much more interesting smileys out there.

I think you can do a better job.

But I'd like to think of you as a detractor of the quran, secretly trolling everyone.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Faith on September 05, 2017, 12:58:30 AM
Right, and making your text bold doesn't add any emphasis to your words, one cannot simply emphasize on void and meaningless words.

Perhaps the only interesting thing in your posts is those external smileys that you still bother to include in every post of yours. And even those aren't that interesting, considering there are much more interesting smileys out there.

I think you can do a better job.
If you say so. (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/kaffeetrinker_2.gif)
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Makaveli on September 05, 2017, 03:45:38 AM
Where's the proof for your curvature? Don't worry, your sources are pseudo. (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/kaffeetrinker_2.gif)

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Peace.


Try some dating Faith. A woman makes a man tough. Right now you kind of resemble a fanboy, a nice guy with all these smilies, memes and gifs in your post. These gifs only let you keep your illusion but won't change reality. You should leave your rainbow world, a woman is a good place to start. Trust me, I can't take your posts seriously, you seem to be a very kind guy, to the point I actually struggled writing this post. If anything I don't want to tease you or anything, but in real world is not about how many gifs you upload as the basis for your argument, but how many information you actually provide in response.

Try women. Trust me, they destroy childhood in you.

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Faith on September 05, 2017, 06:04:39 AM

Try some dating Faith. A woman makes a man tough. Right now you kind of resemble a fanboy, a nice guy with all these smilies, memes and gifs in your post. These gifs only let you keep your illusion but won't change reality. You should leave your rainbow world, a woman is a good place to start. Trust me, I can't take your posts seriously, you seem to be a very kind guy, to the point I actually struggled writing this post. If anything I don't want to tease you or anything, but in real world is not about how many gifs you upload as the basis for your argument, but how many information you actually provide in response.

Try women. Trust me, they destroy childhood in you.


I'll narrate a tough encounter of mine:
One time on the crack of dawn for the Fajr Prayer, on my way to the mosque. I saw 2 cats mingling, then 1 of the cats gets spooked by my presence. Guess what the other cat did? It approached me rapidly whilst walking on its toes, and walked right past me. The cat being so close, and the surrounding being so quiet. I thought the cat was going to pounce on me, I kept my resilience, although I let out a deep exhale at the end of that encounter.
True story.

Psst.. this is the virtual world. Now let's have a moment of silence for this cat.
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On a serious note, a real evidence is where the water always finds its own level. Praise be to God.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Faith on September 05, 2017, 07:33:00 PM
NASA's answer to Global Warming: Move the Earth (http://yoursmiles.org/psmile/science/p0303.gif)

'The technology is not at all far-fetched, It involves the same techniques that people now suggest could be used to deflect asteroids or comets heading towards Earth. We don't need raw power to move Earth, we just require delicacy of planning and manoeuvring.' - Dr Greg Laughlin, of the NASA Ames Research Center in California.

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Peace. (http://yoursmiles.org/msmile/cool/m1917.gif)
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: reel on September 05, 2017, 09:00:25 PM
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Oh, so they have cut off ties with NASA and have conducted their own study without sharing any of NASA's studies? You're mistaken.
Evidence can be gathered easily? Who determines whether these evidences are facts or not? It's clear that you've placed your trust in these studies.

"75:9 sounds more like the two losing their orbit." Excuse me, where does it say this?
Peace.

Ummmmm, God is more helpful than NASA in showing the shape of the earth. You can ask him for it.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Faith on September 06, 2017, 10:04:10 PM
'A NASA-funded field campaign has a real shot at improving meteorologists' ability to answer some of the most fundamental questions about weather: Where will it rain? When? How much?'

"To understand what makes a thunderstorm form and grow, we need field campaigns. We need to fly to where the storms are, look at them and their environment in detail, and measure all the important features at the same time," - Bjorn Lambrigtsen of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California.

71:22   And they plotted a great plotting.

06:59   And with Him are the keys of the unseen, none know them except He. And He knows what is in the land and in the sea; and not a leaf falls except He knows of it; nor a seed in the darkness of the earth; nor anything moist or anything dry; all in a clear record.

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Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on September 07, 2017, 10:28:16 AM
71:22   And they plotted a great plotting.

So, you say scientific investigations are bad???
But you like the computer you're using to post on this forum don't you?
But your computer, and internet, and your car, and your clothes... are they also part of a "great plotting"?
Because they're the products of scientific investigations.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on September 07, 2017, 10:30:56 AM
Oh, so they have cut off ties with NASA and have conducted their own study without sharing any of NASA's studies? You're mistaken.

 ;D Where's your evidence that he is mistaken? You sound so confident.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on September 07, 2017, 10:58:13 AM
Many lunar eclipses have occurred while both the sun and the moon have been visible above the horizon.
References please.

Oh wait, who says those references would be valid and genuine?
Oh, you have personally observed it.

But wait, why should we take your word for it? It's just hear-say.
Hmmm

Quote
Either you believe in the illuminating Moon, or you believe in Science that says the Moon has no light of its own.

Yes  ;)
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on September 07, 2017, 11:07:12 AM
Thanks for your reply.
Peace
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on September 07, 2017, 01:14:02 PM
Thanks for your reply.
Peace

When you get the time look at mine as well

Peace
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on September 07, 2017, 01:39:12 PM
Peace zulf.
This is how I explain day and night to a small child:

So how does the turning of the Earth lead to the Sun's motion across the sky? It is easy to see this if you shine a bright light on the side of a globe in a darkened room. Find where you live on the globe. Now slowly spin the globe on its axis so that if you look down on the north pole, it is rotating counterclockwise. Watch what happens to the place where you live. Do you see that it is sometimes pointed toward the light (which represents the Sun) and sometimes away from the light? Hey, you've made day and night!

And this is how I explain the seasons:

As Earth orbits the sun, its tilted axis always points in the same direction. So, throughout the year, different parts of Earth get the sun?s direct rays.
Sometimes it is the North Pole tilting toward the sun (around June) and sometimes it is the South Pole tilting toward the sun (around December).
It is summer in June in the Northern Hemisphere because the sun's rays hit that part of Earth more directly than at any other time of the year. It is winter in December in the Northern Hemisphere, because that is when it is the South Pole's turn to be tilted toward the sun.


However,according to flat earthers, the earth is a disk and the sun (which is actually a lot smaller and a lot closer to us than what scientists would have you believe) hovers and moves around over this disk. Seasons happen because the sun doesn't stick to the same path?
Timezones only make sense if:
Time on Earth is mainly defined by the rotation on it's axis and the orbit of the earth
Earth's axis rotates the earth to have night and day, but also to have specific times.


Anyway,watch out ,the replies are going to be many,but the sense is going to be zero!
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Faith on September 07, 2017, 04:55:16 PM
So, you say scientific investigations are bad???
But you like the computer you're using to post on this forum don't you?
But your computer, and internet, and your car, and your clothes... are they also part of a "great plotting"?
Because they're the products of scientific investigations.

That's an act of polytheism.
43:32   Is it they who assign the mercy of your Lord? We have assigned their share in this worldly life, and We raised some of them above others in ranks, so that they would take one another in service. The mercy from your Lord is far better than that which they amass.

2:269   He grants wisdom to whom He chooses, and whoever is granted wisdom has been given much good. Only those who possess intelligence will remember.
If you're not a Quran-alone believer, let me know.

good logic,
Your explanations are copied from NASA's website. Your mind does not comprehend what NASA is plotting. That is one deep indoctrination.

Peace.
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Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on September 08, 2017, 12:40:13 AM
Peace Faith.
And what is your explanation?

Oh ,please do not copy the one from the flat earthers.

I thought ,an explanation that is obvious , logical and a fact is what GOD made !!!!!
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Makaveli on September 08, 2017, 03:57:50 AM
That's an act of polytheism.
43:32   Is it they who assign the mercy of your Lord? We have assigned their share in this worldly life, and We raised some of them above others in ranks, so that they would take one another in service. The mercy from your Lord is far better than that which they amass.

2:269   He grants wisdom to whom He chooses, and whoever is granted wisdom has been given much good. Only those who possess intelligence will remember.
If you're not a Quran-alone believer, let me know.

And how do these verses relate to polytheism and the subject? Enlighten me without using an annoying .gif this time. Show what your mind is capable of.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Faith on September 08, 2017, 09:08:22 PM
Peace Faith.
And what is your explanation?

Oh ,please do not copy the one from the flat earthers.

I thought ,an explanation that is obvious , logical and a fact is what GOD made !!!!!
GOD bless you.
Peace.
21:33   And He is the One who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, (and earth?) each swimming in an orbit.

Show proof for the Earth's rotation in God's Book. Don't explain it through NASA's eyes and say that it's a God given fact when it's not.
You believe in RK's mathematical message. No surprise there, globehead.
Peace.
And how do these verses relate to polytheism and the subject? Enlighten me without using an annoying .gif this time. Show what your mind is capable of.
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Oh it relates. Hint - God's wisdom, and on the other hand, the science folk that you love. Reread the verses.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Makaveli on September 09, 2017, 05:15:03 AM
Peace.(https://media.giphy.com/media/dykJfX4dbM0Vy/giphy.gif)

I see. Just like I thought, you are worthless. What about finding a woman like I told you? You can't stay a .gif kind for the rest of your life, can you?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Faith on September 09, 2017, 06:08:52 AM
I see. Just like I thought, you are worthless. What about finding a woman like I told you? You can't stay a .gif kind for the rest of your life, can you?
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Hahaha, peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Makaveli on September 09, 2017, 06:29:52 AM
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Hahaha, peace.

Nope, I was wrong. You actually can remain a .gif brat. All right, flath earth .gif warrior. I will give you that. Have fun with your .gifs and star wars  :jedi:
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on September 09, 2017, 06:35:11 AM
Peace Faith.
You have translated this ,quote:
21:33   And He is the One who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, (and earth?) each swimming in an orbit.

I will translate like this:
21:33   And He is the One who has created the night and the day( This is earth), and the sun and the moon, (and earth?) each swimming in an orbit.
"Kullun" cannot be just the sun and the moon ( This would have been " Kulluhuma" for two).There fore it means the sun the moon and the earth all swimming in their orbit. "Kullun" is a plural for three or more!!!!
You have found the proof yourself without NASA.
GOD bless you.
Peace
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Noon waalqalami on September 09, 2017, 06:37:02 AM
21:33   And He is the One who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, (and earth?) each swimming in an orbit.

Peace, read in context especially word كل each does not only refer to "dual" sun and moon.

13:2 الله the god الذى the one رفع raise السموت the heavens/sky (i.e. everything that touches us and above) بغىر in other than عمد columns ترونها thou seeing it ثم furthermore استوى establishes على upon العرش the throne وسخر and subjected الشمس the sun والقمر and the moon كل each (i.e. all above-mentioned including the heavens/sky that touches us and above) ىجرى yajrī/race لاجل to term مسمى specified ىدبر regulated الامر the directive ىفصل expounded الاىت the signs لعلكم perhaps you بلقا in meeting ربكم lord yours توقنون thou assured being

21:30 اولم do they not ىر see الذىن the ones كفروا reject they of ان anna i.e. ?an inna?/that indeed السموت the heavens/sky (i.e. everything seen/unseen that touches us and above) والارض and the land كانتا be dual رتقا sewn of ففتقناهما so ripped we them dual وجعلنا and made we of من from الما the water كل each شى thing حى live افلا then so not ىومنون believing 21:31 وجعلنا and made we of فى in الارض the land روسى firm peaks ان that (أَنَّ ?an inna?/that indeed or أَن?an?/that) تمىد shake بهم with them وجعلنا and made we of فىها therein فجاجا wide/ravine of سبلا paths of لعلهم perhaps they ىهتدون guided being 21:32 وجعلنا and made we of السما the heaven/sky سقفا roof of محفوظا shield of وهم and they عن about اىتها signs its معرضون away turning 21:33 وهو and he الذى the one خلقا creation of للىل the night والنهار and the daytime والشمس and the sun والقمر and the moon كل each (i.e. all above-mentioned) فى in فلك ship ىسبحون floating/swimming

I.e. everything physical warps space around it has an orbit like ships sailing in ocean.

Fact: moon/satellites orbit planets orbiting stars orbiting galaxies orbiting each other.

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Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Faith on September 09, 2017, 07:04:17 AM
Fact: moon/satellites orbit planets orbiting stars orbiting galaxies orbiting each other.
Nonsense, tell your NASA authorities that I'm not easily swayed.

Fact: Water always finds its level.
Earth is flat, 100%.

Peace.
"Kullun" cannot be just the sun and the moon ( This would have been " Kulluhuma" for two).There fore it means the sun the moon and the earth all swimming in their orbit. "Kullun" is a plural for three or more!!!!
You have found the proof yourself without NASA.
GOD bless you.
Peace
Who said anything about just the sun and the moon? The night and the day is included too.
14:33   And He has commissioned for you the sun and the moon, in continuity; and He has commissioned for you the night and the day.

Keep on dreaming, Earth is flat.
Peace.
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Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on September 09, 2017, 07:40:46 AM
Peace Faith.
you say,quote:
Who said anything about just the sun and the moon? The night and the day is included too.

Exactly,the night and day as well. Night and day always are reference for earth in Qoran. So the earth as well.
Or  where do you think this night and day are?On Mars?   Or perhaps only on spherical planets?
Common brother, this is cheer "my mind is made up" attitude.

Fine,do not accept then. You have already chosen which shape you want.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Faith on September 09, 2017, 02:18:42 PM
Peace Faith.
you say,quote:
Who said anything about just the sun and the moon? The night and the day is included too.

Exactly,the night and day as well. Night and day always are reference for earth in Qoran. So the earth as well.
Or  where do you think this night and day are?On Mars?   Or perhaps only on spherical planets?
Common brother, this is cheer "my mind is made up" attitude.

Fine,do not accept then. You have already chosen which shape you want.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Night and day is a reference for Earth.. Do you realise how ridiculous you sound?! You're more astray than a livestock.

I am ready to return to God believing in God's flat earth, God willing. Are you ready to vouch for NASA?
Peace.
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Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Noon waalqalami on September 09, 2017, 02:25:24 PM
Nonsense, tell your NASA authorities that I'm not easily swayed.

Fact: Water always finds its level.

Peace -- no sultanan over me and do not care about swaying you.

As with poor compression reading out of context and words داىبىن constant two and كل each (3+) nothing to do with absence/presence of sun light which are concepts and do not have mass that warps space and time.

Fact: water bends and follows curvature of earth same as light follows curvature of space too large to see without precision instruments like lasers or partical beams etc., not sure where you're located perhaps visit one of my favorite customers http://www.fnal.gov/pub/visiting/ cool place they generate neutrino beams which slice through the earth's core and hit an underground detector 800 miles away...

(http://news.fnal.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/dune-lbnf-300x117.jpg)

This reminds of questions posted to the gymnosophists i.e. "naked philosophers/wise men" hadith proportedly by Alexander the great written ~400 years after his time by Plutarch...

"He (Alexander) captured ten of the Gymnosophists who had done most to get Sabbas to revolt, and had made the most trouble for the Macedonians. These philosophers were reputed to be clever and concise in answering questions, and Alexander therefore put difficult questions to them, declaring that he would put to death him who first made an incorrect answer, and then the rest, in an order determined in like manner; and he commanded one of them, the oldest, to be the judge in the contest.

The first one, accordingly, being asked which, in his opinion, were more numerous, the living or the dead, said that the living were, since the dead no longer existed.

The second, being asked whether the earth or the sea produced larger animals, said the earth did, since the sea was but a part of the earth.

The third, being asked what animal was the most cunning, said: "That which up to this time man has not discovered."

The fourth, when asked why he had induced Sabbas to revolt, replied: "Because I wished him either to live nobly or to die nobly."

The fifth, being asked which, in his opinion, was older, day or night, replied: "Day, by one day"; and he added, upon the king expressing amazement, that hard questions must have hard answers.

Passing on, then, to the sixth, Alexander asked how a man could be most loved; "If," said the philosopher, "he is most powerful, and yet does not inspire fear."

Of the three remaining, he who was asked how one might become a god instead of man, replied: "By doing something which a man cannot do";

the one who was asked which was the stronger, life or death, answered: "Life, since it supports so many ills."

And the last, asked how long it were well for a man to live, answered: "Until he does not regard death as better than life."

So, then, turning to the judge, Alexander bade him give his opinion. The judge declared that they had answered one worse than another. "Well, then," said Alexander, "thou shalt die first for giving such a verdict." "That cannot be, O King," said the judge, "unless thou falsely saidst that thou wouldst put to death first him who answered worst." These philosophers, then, he dismissed with gifts..."


Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on September 10, 2017, 01:20:46 AM
Peace Faith.
You have gone back to one liners? A sign of running out of "I do not really know what to say".
And what is it about the pasted pictures? What relevance to  the topic?

Anyway,night and day are they reference for Mars? Jupiter? Which planet? They cannot be reference for moon and sun as you said yourself they are as well as these two?
Or some other humans may be living in other planets that have night and day and GOD is addressing them in Qoran?

Just so you are clear,day and night cannot happen unless the sun is visible  or covered,look here:

91:1
By the sun and its brightness.
وَالشَّمسِ وَضُحىٰها
91:2
The moon that follows it.
وَالقَمَرِ إِذا تَلىٰها
91:3
The day that reveals.(reveals the sun) Or sunrise to sunset
وَالنَّهارِ إِذا جَلّىٰها
91:4
The night that covers.(covers the sun) Or sunset to sunrise.
وَالَّيلِ إِذا يَغشىٰها   

Yes,this is happening here on earth,half of the earth is day and the other half is night as the earth turns!!!!!

GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Faith on September 10, 2017, 03:10:55 PM
Peace good logic,
The night and the day is a reference for the night and the day. It's that simple.
Are you forgetting that there is a word for Earth in arabic, and that God is capable of using it whenever required.
No, what you're doing is covering up for the NASA.

Just so you are clear, day and night can happen without the sun or the moon if God wills it to happen.
Here's a better translation for 91:01-04:

91:01   By the Sun and its brightness.
91:02   And the Moon that comes after it.
91:03   And the day when it reveals.
91:04   And the night when it covers.

27:86   Did they not see that We made the night for them to reside in, and the day to see in? In that are signs for a people who have faith.
Peace.
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Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Makaveli on September 10, 2017, 03:28:28 PM
Peace.
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Just like you take this fabricated .gif you also would rather want to believe what you want to believe. And I still think you are too of a nice guy, so I suggest to try a woman so that you become more of a critical thinker.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on September 11, 2017, 05:09:38 AM
Peace Faith.
So GOD created something called "the night"? Brilliant common sense.

My flimsy sense tells me GOD created the sun to give light (Day) and when that sun is covered it is dark(night).
Yes here on earth obviously. "Yukawiru Al Layl ala Al Nahar,wa yukawiru Al Nahar Ala Al Layl".
The word "Yukawiru" means rolls them ,one over another,by turning the earth brother.

Of course you are going to come back with more of your "brilliant common sense" but still the earth remains turning with both of us.
So ,first stop the earth from turning ,then we can discuss how to flatten it!
GOD bless you.
Peace
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on September 11, 2017, 12:23:04 PM
Are you ready to vouch for NASA?[/b]

I've noticed this one common trait among flat earth believers... they all keep avoiding the core issue by coming back to NASA. Why are flat earthers obsessed by NASA?

Well, the answer is clearly that you have to revert to unrelated things since tackling the real issues would lead to defeat. There is no need for NASA to be involved in the shape issue. Just plain observations, and math. But I guess math is also polytheism.

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Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: huruf on September 11, 2017, 12:56:06 PM
Peace Faith.
So GOD created something called "the night"? Brilliant common sense.

My flimsy sense tells me GOD created the sun to give light (Day) and when that sun is covered it is dark(night).
Yes here on earth obviously. "Yukawiru Al Layl ala Al Nahar,wa yukawiru Al Nahar Ala Al Layl".
The word "Yukawiru" means rolls them ,one over another,by turning the earth brother.

Of course you are going to come back with more of your "brilliant common sense" but still the earth remains turning with both of us.
So ,first stop the earth from turning ,then we can discuss how to flatten it!
GOD bless you.
Peace

In fact the word meaning ball in Arabic (kora) comes from that root k-w-r.

Strange choice of words for a flat earthunless night and day have shapes or come rolling.

Salaam

 

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: The Sardar on September 11, 2017, 01:02:23 PM
Salam everyone A video from Quran Centric just uploaded recently and it's about the question of The Flat Earth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hOQfxtqPj0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hOQfxtqPj0)
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on September 17, 2017, 06:26:10 PM
debate between a teacher and student

teacher : ask from students 2+ 2 = ?
students :replied 4
teacher : correct

suddenly one intelligent student challenge the view and said .. its a wrong answer..

next step debate started between student and teacher..

teacher : how its wrong
student : prove it.

teacher : used calculator to show him..
student : why you are using calculator its also a invention of scientist who want to make us believe 2+2= 4

teacher : get quiet and started carry on with his lecture with other students..
student ( how intelligent i am i make my teacher quiet and now he is running away from the issue )

when the break started he goes to other students and tell them look how scientists are cheating with us.
other students do the same what teacher did and he feels more confidence that he is right and rest of the world is wrong..


moral of the story.. when he will will undersand the basic math he will agree with his teacher..
same with flat earthers when they will understand the basic arithmatic and observations are required to examine the shape of earth .. other than NASA they will understand too..

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Lost on September 20, 2017, 06:12:28 AM
I'm still waiting for the day someone will fall off the earth into outer space... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Seriously how can anyone believe the earth to be flat in 2017 is beyond my scope of understanding. It is one thing to believe in conspiracy theories as we all do over here to some extent but this is taking it to a whole other level...
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: huruf on September 20, 2017, 09:43:31 AM
I'm still waiting for the day someone will fall off the earth into outer space... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Seriously how can anyone believe the earth to be flat in 2017 is beyond my scope of understanding. It is one thing to believe in conspiracy theories as we all do over here to some extent but this is taking it to a whole other level...

Sea level, may be? That is flat enough, at least for a while.  :jedi: :jedi: :jedi: :jedi:
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Emre_1974tr on September 20, 2017, 01:43:43 PM
1- According to the Qur'an, our Earth, the universe, and other universes are geoid.I explained it in my Turkish article with its proofs. The Qur'an offers a multiple-universe model.

But the universes are limited numbers, not infinite numbers. Example; 7 universes...

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com.tr/2016/05/goklerevrenler.html


2- If the Earth were flat and immobile, the sun was visible at night with the telescope.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Mist on January 26, 2018, 12:18:26 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xThtaxpq2FaFxfM21G/giphy.gif)

^Antarctica 24hr Sunlight

(http://i65.tinypic.com/1z2nhhk.gif)

^Green & Purple Aurora
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: The Sardar on January 26, 2018, 01:28:45 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xThtaxpq2FaFxfM21G/giphy.gif)

^Antarctica 24hr Sunlight

(http://i65.tinypic.com/1z2nhhk.gif)

^Green & Purple Aurora
Is that you in the Gifs?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Maha on January 26, 2018, 01:29:02 PM
what would flat-earths say about all the satellites, moon-landings and the astronauts in space?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: progressive1993 on January 26, 2018, 03:00:23 PM
what would flat-earths say about all the satellites,

GPS uses ground-based towers.

moon-landings

Obviously staged

and the astronauts in space?

Staged.

Chcek out Eric Dubay's YouTube channel. I also posted a bunch of verses and videos that support the fact that the current narrative is false.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Maha on January 26, 2018, 04:45:54 PM
GPS uses ground-based towers.

Obviously staged

Staged.

Chcek out Eric Dubay's YouTube channel. I also posted a bunch of verses and videos that support the fact that the current narrative is false.

Salam brother

What about satellite channels ?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Jafar on January 26, 2018, 09:53:34 PM
GPS uses ground-based towers.

And how about GLONASS?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 26, 2018, 11:34:16 PM
GPS uses ground-based towers.

whats about weather forecasting?
whats about eclipses?
whats about the angle of dish antena heading towards sky?
whats about live timing of iss what u can view with naked eye?

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on January 27, 2018, 06:50:03 AM
whats about weather forecasting?
Footage from Airplanes and temperature and pressure gauging measurements ✈️

whats about eclipses?
What about them? Solar and lunar eclipses are not congruent with the heliocentric model explanations.

whats about the angle of dish antena heading towards sky?
Radio towers, radio frequency. This is old technology still used. How do you get cell phone signals? Cell tower. There are no fudging satellites there is not even space in the sense the deceiver has lied about.
Above us is a sea of liquid nitrogen it's extremely cold and appears incredibly dense.

whats about live timing of iss what u can view with naked eye?
Live timing? Iss is a structure in a water tank. It's all filmed in a tank that's why there are bubbles in iss videos. You can't see iss with naked eye. No astronomer supports that claim, you would need a telescope
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: HP_TECH on January 27, 2018, 06:52:07 AM
Salam brother

What about satellite channels ?
Radio frequency, radio towers. Just do some fudging research for God's sake!
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Abdun Nur on January 27, 2018, 02:01:25 PM
Peace I'm curious to know what the "researched", "scientific", explanation is for the direction of water circling a drain, i(water in a sink going down a drain) will create a vortex going the opposite direction. So in the Northern hemisphere, it moves clockwise. In the Southern hemisphere, it moves counter clockwise. On the equator, water goes straight down?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Cerberus on January 27, 2018, 04:04:22 PM
Problem is you have uneducated people treading on subjects they have no knowledge about so they can only resort to watching youtube videos. And then they think they took the red pill. Reality is they just bought the first conspiracy theory that clicked with their lack of knowledge.

I expect this flat earth thing to grow even more since internet is gonna be selling these stories to every part of the world where people are not necessarily knowledgeable.

There is going to be more place for conspiracies, lies, gossips, and more lies, not the truth.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Mist on January 28, 2018, 04:20:18 PM
Is that you in the Gifs?
Noo, not me.

whats about live timing of iss what u can view with naked eye?
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l4pSZKdBaYulCR1qo/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 28, 2018, 08:26:50 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xThtaxpq2FaFxfM21G/giphy.gif)

^Antarctica 24hr Sunlight

(http://i65.tinypic.com/1z2nhhk.gif)

^Green & Purple Aurora

some points of experiment to b noted..

1 the source of light is passing by a glass wall before reaching to earth ( example light bulb, torch etc)
2 the speed of light is not in a uniform motion ( velocity of hand is affecting it  :!)
3 the distance of light source varies from time to time ( sometimes near sometimes far)
4 at the edges of earth there is a support like table
5 the motion of light  is clockwise  :rotfl:
6 the atmosphere like running water, clounds, winds, surface tension of oceans  is not present..
7 the antartica ice and glaciers are not present ..
 
point 8 For viewers look it carefully the gifs and you will notice the light suddenly take a turn from edges towards the centre  :elektro:

and here is a song what i just remember,

Nothings ever what we expect
But they keep asking where I go next
Oh, we're chasing as the sun set
Got my mind on you
Doesn't matter where we are are are are
Doesn't matter where we are are are are
Doesn't matter, no
If there's a moment when it's perfect
We'll carve our names as the sun goes down
Yeah
As the sun goes down
Yeah
As the sun goes down
As the sun goes down


end remarks (quality of experiment is heavily poor)

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 28, 2018, 08:44:52 PM
Footage from Airplanes and temperature and pressure gauging measurements ✈️

hmm would love to know the procedures if you can tell me how its works.

What about them? Solar and lunar eclipses are not congruent with the heliocentric model explanations.

we are talking about how we will figure out lunar and solar eclipse in FE model no one yet attempted this question.


Radio towers, radio frequency. This is old technology still used. How do you get cell phone signals? Cell tower. There are no fudging satellites there is not even space in the sense the deceiver has lied about.

its interesting to know there are still some areas in world where cell phone towers are thousands of miles away but satellite phones works there .. what you will gona say about this..


Above us is a sea of liquid nitrogen it's extremely cold and appears incredibly dense.

Live timing? Iss is a structure in a water tank. It's all filmed in a tank that's why there are bubbles in iss videos. You can't see iss with naked eye. No astronomer supports that claim, you would need a telescope

which claim?

do u need a telescope to view newyork from spain? if not then whats the reason ?

did u ever see a white dot of light travelling at very extraordinary speed in sky?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Mist on January 29, 2018, 07:09:37 AM
some points of experiment to b noted..

1 the source of light is passing by a glass wall before reaching to earth ( example light bulb, torch etc)
2 the speed of light is not in a uniform motion ( velocity of hand is affecting it  :!)
3 the distance of light source varies from time to time ( sometimes near sometimes far)
4 at the edges of earth there is a support like table
5 the motion of light  is clockwise  :rotfl:
6 the atmosphere like running water, clounds, winds, surface tension of oceans  is not present..
7 the antartica ice and glaciers are not present ..
 
point 8 For viewers look it carefully the gifs and you will notice the light suddenly take a turn from edges towards the centre  :elektro:
There's a dome above Earth in that experiment, don't see why you'd have to point that out when it's obvious.

You're comparing penlight to a sun. If you were expecting a human being to equal God's powers then you're sadly mistaken. This experiment is a demonstration that exposes your attempt to discredit the 24hr sunlight on the AE Map. I know it hurts when the truth comes out. It's okay.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l4pThQjwAYIYIrnGg/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 29, 2018, 05:30:31 PM

You're comparing penlight to a sun.





exactly its the professor of experiment comparing it..  :peace:

:sun:

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zulf on February 10, 2018, 07:22:52 AM
Above us is a sea of liquid nitrogen it's extremely cold and appears incredibly dense.

Do you know this or do you believe this?

How do you mean that your particular faction of flatearthers came to know about this? Did they stick a sky syringe through the dome to see what was on the other side?

No need to tell me about how liquid nitrogen is cold, as that was not the question. Just wondering what makes you think there is a liquid nitrogen sea above the supposed invisible dome.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: tlihawa on February 10, 2018, 11:18:58 AM
How do you mean that your particular faction of flatearthers came to know about this? Did they stick a sky syringe through the dome to see what was on the other side?

Nobody can go up to the sky, even the Jinn. There will be flame of fire waiting for us.

55:33 O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority

55:35 There will be sent upon you a flame of fire and smoke, and you will not defend yourselves.


Jin was able to do this,..but not anymore.

72:8 And we have sought [to reach] the heaven but found it filled with powerful guards and burning flames.

But God has sent down the scriptures to explain all of this,..the creation of the universe, and something that we can be observed and compared directly, Ourselves!

17:99 Did they not see that God who has created the heavens and the earth is able to create their like? And He has made an appointed time for them in which there is no doubt. But the wicked refuse anything except rejection.

41:53 We will show them Our signs in the horizons, and within themselves, until it becomes clear to them that this is the truth. Is it not enough that your Lord is witness over all things?

51:20 And on the earth are signs for those who comprehend.
51:21 And within yourselves; do you not see?


The creation of the heavens and the earth is akin to the creation of man, just different in scale:

40:57 The creation of the heavens and the earth is greater than the creation of the people, but most of the people do not know.


And most of the people dont know.

56:62 And you have already known the first creation, so will you not remember?

We dont need to go up to the sky to since we know the first creation from 23:12-14, as follows,

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQpHmT6oJCew8hKtAS-8qJtSywulhtxOi4YNUKBL6MgesC34DZS)

Now let's take a look at what's God has been said in Torah regarding the creation of the universe,

Genesis 1 King James Version (KJV)
(6) And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
(7) And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.


Firmament is a solid structure a.k.a "dome". There's a water above the firmament

And Quran said,

11:7 He is the One who has created the heavens and the earth in six days, and His Throne was upon the water;

There is no way the throne of God is on the water below the dome or above the ocean we used to see. But it's above the water outside the dome. It's not necessary a liquid nitrogen, but a pure water as describe in Quran.

25:53 And He is the One who merges the two seas; this is fresh and palatable and this is salty and bitter. And He made between them a partition <barzakh> and an inviolable enclosure.

So now let's compare this two pictures side by side,

(https://i.imgur.com/0RkmaLx.jpg)

It does make sense to me that's this two things is alike. And let's go further into the passage,

27:61 Is He who made the earth a Qararan and placed within it rivers and made for it Rawasiya and placed between the two seas a barrier? Is there a deity with Allah ? No, but most of them do not know.

I let the word Qararan and Rawasiya untranslated, so we can see its meaning in dictionary,

(https://i.imgur.com/nhUuyGn.jpg)

So the earth is like the extreme part of the womb, I called it "placenta", which comes from "late 17th century: from Latin, from Greek plakous, plakount- ?flat cake,? based on plax, plak- ?flat plate.?

flat cake..  :)

So from my perspective, the earth is flat just like a placenta.

88:20 And to the earth, how was it flattened <sutihat>?


(https://i.imgur.com/f0MSCw2.jpg)

Sutihat, in geometry is a plane, that which is divisible symmetrically and terminated by line.

The heaven and earth also is "dahaha" which means expands. Dahaha is the ostrich's nest which expanded as the bird make it wide. Same thing happen in the mother's womb during pregnancy.

Now let's get back to the scripture's model of the universe. Taken from the one of the Apocrypha books (The hidden Books),

2 Esdras (4 Ezra)

Chap 16
58 He hath shut the sea in the midst of the waters, and with his word hath he hanged the earth upon the waters.

59 He spreadeth out the heavens like a vault; upon the waters hath he founded it.


So the earth is hanged over the water,.. that's why we need "Rawasiya" as an anchor to make it stable.

(https://i.imgur.com/IMSaty8.jpg)

Rawasiya is not mountain,.. it's an anchor.

21:31 And We made on the earth the anchor <rawasiya> lest it should shift with them,..

Now, let's get further with Qararan, here is the explanation:

14:26 wamatsalu kalimatin khabiitsatin kasyajaratin khabiitsatin ijtutstsat min fawqi al-ardhi maa lahaa min qaraarin

14:26 And the example of a bad word is like a khabiitsatin tree, uprooted from the surface of the earth, not having any Qararin

There is twice the use of the word khabiitsatin in the above verse, but I choose a different meaning for the second word. Since the context is about the tree, I choose the word, colosynth.

(https://i.imgur.com/Sm7wMRU.png)

So it become,

14:26 And the example of a bad word is like a colosynth, uprooted from the surface of the earth, not having any Qararin

Just keep the Qararin part that way.

And then I do the same with this verse:

14:24 Have you not considered how Allah presents an example, making a good word like a tayyibatin, whose root is firmly fixed and its branches high in the sky?

Once again, let's focus on the root system of the tree,.. tayyibatin also means palm trees.

(https://i.imgur.com/OS9cLIy.png)

So I re-translate the verse like this:

14:24 Have you not considered how Allah presents an example, making a good word like a palm trees, whose root is firmly fixed and its branches high in the sky?

So the different between the colosynth and the palm trees is their root model. The colosynth has no root, and the palm trees just like this,

(https://i.imgur.com/HOXOm8m.jpg)

Ok so now, what's all of this got to do with qararin or placenta?

They have the same root system:

(https://i.imgur.com/NEkwBK2.jpg)

Our Qararan or Placenta in the womb has palm-trees root model in their system.

I quote this form medical website:

Quote
The placenta is responsible for working as a trading post between the mother?s and the baby?s blood supply. Small blood vessels carrying the fetal blood run through the placenta, which is full of maternal blood. Nutrients and oxygen from the mother?s blood are transferred to the fetal blood, while waste products are transferred from the fetal blood to the maternal blood, without the two blood supplies mixing.

Without two blood supplies mixing..
Sounds familiar in Quran:

27:61 Is He who made the earth a Qararan and placed within it rivers and made for it Rawasiya and placed between the two seas a barrier? Is there a deity with Allah ? No, but most of them do not know.

Without two seas mixing..
Therefore, we as a baby inside the firmament womb, cannot see the water above the firmament or dome.

Allah knows best.

Peace
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: tlihawa on April 05, 2018, 02:19:25 PM
Salaam,
from my previous post above, we can see the importance to understand the term "tree of life".

I found this verse in Quran, which talks about the tree as a "test" for mankind.

وَإِذْ قُلْنَا لَكَ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ أَحَاطَ بِالنَّاسِ ۚ وَمَا جَعَلْنَا الرُّؤْيَا الَّتِي أَرَيْنَاكَ إِلَّا فِتْنَةً لِّلنَّاسِ وَالشَّجَرَةَ الْمَلْعُونَةَ فِي الْقُرْآنِ ۚ وَنُخَوِّفُهُمْ فَمَا يَزِيدُهُمْ إِلَّا طُغْيَانًا كَبِيرًا - 17:60

wa-idh qul'nā laka inna rabbaka aḥāṭa bil-nāsi wamā jaʿalnā l-ru'yā allatī araynāka except fit'natan lilnnāsi wal-shajarata l-malʿūnata fī l-qur'āni wanukhawwifuhum famā yazīduhum illā ṭugh'yānan kabīran.

Palm-trees and its root system is one of the key to understand the existence of God. Now let's take a look at deeper to the bold phrase above, "wal-shajarata l-malʿūnata fī l-qur'āni"

17. 60 And when We said to you: "Your Lord has encompassed the people." And We did not make the vision that We showed you except as a test for the people, wal-shajarata l-malʿūnata fī l-qur'āni. And We are making them fearful, but it only increases their transgression.

wal-shajarata l-malʿūnata commonly translated as "tree that was cursed in the quran". But it really depends on the reader point of view.

I have tried to find the tree that was cursed in Quran and I think there's only two possible candidates, the Adam's tree (in heaven) or Zaqqum tree (in hell). But the problem is it's not possible for us to observe those trees as they become a "test" from God, since they are located in heaven and in hell.

I really put my attention on the verses which written using the words "to be a test" or "test" for human beings. For example what I found in 74:31 about 19 cycle.

The 19 cycle or Metonic Cycle is also mentioned as a test for mankind, something that can be observed while we still alive.

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604078.msg302149#msg302149

Now back to the "wal-shajarata l-malʿūnata", I have to re-translate the verse to get better understanding.

Lam-Ayn-Nun = To drive away, execrate, deprive one of mercy and blessings, condemn, curse. The base or lower part of a palm-tree.

I believe it's not a coincidence that lam ayn nun also means the base or lower part of the palm-tree.

(https://image.ibb.co/bQoW4x/lam_ayn_nun.png) (https://imgbb.com/)

So the verse become like this to me,

17:60 And when We said to you: "Your Lord has encompassed the people." And We did not make the vision that We showed you except as a test for the people, and the base/lower part of a raceme of palm tree in the Qur'an. And We are making them fearful, but it only increases their transgression.

Yup, Allah gave us a kind of sign to show His existence. And moreover, besides its literal meaning, it gave me better understanding about the parable behind.

Lets start over with this verse,

14:24 Have you not considered how Allah presents an example, making a good word like a palm trees, whose root is firmly fixed and its branches high in the sky?

Now we focus on the words "and its branches high in the sky". To understand this parable, lets start with the one of the apocrypha book, Book of Enoch.

Beside telling the destruction prophecies, Book of Enoch also tells of the events on earth before the flood of Noah occured, .. Where there were a group of guardian angels who sinned (often called fallen angels).. They came down to earth and do marriage with daughter of men.

Some of their children were the giants (Nephilim - in Quran, Al Fil) who had lived on earth. The giants or the fallen angels descendant then do the damage and shed blood on the earth.

Not just only married with daughter of men, The Fallen Angels also exposed the "heavenly secrets" to humans on earth. They taught science and advance technologies, such as astronomy, metal work, jewelry, beauty, health, magic spells, cutting roots, war tools, etc.

God was very angry with them and sent his four faithful angels to punish them. In short, these fallen angels regret and want to return to heaven. They asked Enoch to convey their messages to God.

Here is the story:

Book of Enoch
Chapter 15

1. And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice.
 
2. And go, say to ⌈⌈the Watchers of heaven⌉⌉, who have sent thee to intercede ⌈⌈for them: "You should intercede"⌉⌉ for men, and not men for you:

3. Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons?

4. And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those ⌈also⌉ do who die and perish.

5. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth.

6. But you were ⌈formerly⌉ spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world.

7. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling.


There are two things I underlined from the book of enoch, that the heavenly beings:

1. has eternal life
2. No need for wives/spouse (in order to get offspring)

So now let's compare this facts with the story of Adam and his companion (Eve) in Quran:

7:20  But the devil whispered to them (Adam and Eve), to reveal to them what was not apparent to them of their bodies; and he said: "Your Lord did not prohibit you from this tree except that you would become angels, or you would be immortal."

Adam and Eve were heavenly beings. Based on the facts in Book of Enoch, they have no reason to get married and have offspring.

7:21   And he swore to them: "I am giving good advice."

7:22   So he misled them with deception; and when they tasted the tree, their bodies became apparent to them, and they rushed to cover themselves with the leaves of the paradise; and their Lord called to them: "Did I not prohibit you from that tree, and tell you that the devil is your clear enemy?"


When they tasted the tree, all their reproduction system became apparent to them.

So it seems clear to me that the tree which Adam and Eve approached was a kind of "genealogy tree". Tasted the tree means that they 'agree' to have offspring, and also they 'agree' to transform into flesh and blood. But since they are not heavenly being anymore, they have to live on earth.

That's my personal opinion.

So now back to the verse,
14:24 Have you not considered how Allah presents an example, making a good word like a palm trees, whose root is firmly fixed and its branches high in the sky?

Adam and Eve were on the top of this 'genealogy tree' which the branches high in the sky as they were the only humans who ever lived in the "sky", down to us.


Salam
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: tlihawa on May 07, 2018, 12:40:27 PM
Salaam,
I would like to continue sharing about the flat earth based on what I've found in scriptures.

You can check related post about the palm tree model or tree of life in here,

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610134.msg414805#msg414805

First I'd like to share more about the rawasiya. I found something interesting in this following verse,

41:10 And He placed in it anchor <rawasiya> from fawqiha, and He blessed it and established its provisions in proportion in four days, to satisfy those who ask.

Fawqiha =Fa-Waw-Qaf here also means the part of arrow, which is the place of the bow string [ie. notch]

(https://image.ibb.co/h946B7/notch.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)

and there's another meaning of the Fa-Waw-Qaf related to it,

(https://image.ibb.co/iCfeW7/fa_waw_qaf.png) (https://imgbb.com/)

So it talks about the rima of the vulva.

From my previous posts above, I do understand that the human body especially female reproductive system is similar with our universe. Small scale of the universe.

40:57 The creation of the heavens and the earth is greater than the creation of the people, but most of the people do not know.

Still within the context, now I understand that the rawasiya or anchor that hold the earth is located on the notch or vulva's rima of the womb of the universe. So now by looking at the female body structure, we can compare and located where's actually the rawasiya of the earth attached to. 

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/rima%20vulvae

So now what happens when the judgment day comes?

Lets take a look at this verses, and I put the possible meaning of the words so you can see for yourself,

79:1 wal-nāziʿāti gharqan

Naziati = Nun-Zay-Ayn = to draw forth, take away, pluck out, bring out, snatch away, remove, strip off, tear off, extract, withdraw, draw out sharply, perform ones duty, yearn, depose high officials, resemble, draw with vigour, invite others to truth, rise, ascend, draw from the abode or bottom, carry off forcibly, deprive.

Gharqan = Gh-Ra-Qaf = sank, drowned, went downwards and disappeared, became without need, drew the bow to the full, outstripped, engrossed, a man overwhelmed by trials, single draught, ornamented, obligatory, suddenly/violently, to come near to any one.

79:2 wal-nāshiṭāti nashṭan

Nun-Shiin-Tay =
(https://image.ibb.co/fqWmB7/Nun_Shiin_Tay.png) (https://imgbb.com/)

79:3 wal-sābiḥāti sabḥan

Siin-Ba-Ha = to swim, roll onwards, perform a daily course, float, the act of swimming, occupy oneself in: the accomplishment of his needful affairs or seeking the means of subsistence, business/occupation, those who are floating, went/travel far, being quick/swift. To praise/glorify/hallow/magnify, sing/celebrate praise, holy, declaring God to be far removed or free for every imperfection/impurity

79:4 fal-sābiqāti sabqan

(https://image.ibb.co/mpwNJn/s_n_b_q_f.png) (https://imgbb.com/)

79:5 fal-mudabirāti amran

So as to carry out a command.

79:6 yawma tarjuful rājifatu

On the Day the ground shakes.

79:7 tatbaʿuhā l-rādifatu

It will be followed by the second

So I got a picture that the rawasiya or the anchor that hold the earth will be pulled up like a bow in full until it loosed, untied, and the earth float upon the waters (see my previous posts about the earth upon the waters) and shakes then followed by the second events.

We are ready to reborn...

Start with bleeding,

(https://image.ibb.co/eUQk4S/bleeding.png) (https://imgbb.com/)

55:37 When the sky is torn, and turns like a rose colored paint.

And in the process of birth, the heavens or walls of this womb also become weak, loose, saggy (wahiyatun)

69:16 And the sky will be torn, and on that Day it will be flimsy <wahiyatun>.


And there will be a "cervix dilation" an opening for the baby,

78:19 And the heaven is opened, so it becomes gates.

(https://image.ibb.co/kKZWB7/cervix_dilation.png) (https://imgbb.com/)

So we are ready to reborn to second life.. the eternal life.

and let's see what the other scriptures said about the judgment day,

Book of Revelation
Revelation 12

1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.


and from the apocrypha,

2 Esdras Chapter 4

40 So he answered me, and said, Go thy way to a woman with child, and ask of her when she hath fulfilled her nine months, if her womb may keep the birth any longer within her.

41 Then said I, No, Lord, that can she not. And he said unto me, In the grave the chambers of souls are like the womb of a woman:

42 For like as a woman that travaileth maketh haste to escape the necessity of the travail: even so do these places haste to deliver those things that are committed unto them.


From Book of Enoch

CHAPTER LXII.

1. And thus the Lord commanded the kings and the mighty and the exalted, and those who dwell on the earth, and said: 'Open your eyes and lift up your horns if ye are able to recognize the Elect One.'

2. And the Lord of Spirits seated him on the throne of His glory,
And the spirit of righteousness was poured out upon him,
And the word of his mouth slays all the sinners,
And all the unrighteous are destroyed from before his face.

3. And there shall stand up in that day all the kings and the mighty,
And the exalted and those who hold the earth,
And they shall see and recognize How he sits on the throne of his glory,
And righteousness is judged before him,
And no lying word is spoken before him.

4. Then shall pain come upon them as on a woman in travail,
[And she has pain in bringing forth]
When her child enters the mouth of the womb,
And she has pain in bringing forth.


Woman in travail consistently used in God's scripture to illustrate the judgment day.

May Allah protect us.

Peace
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: kaltun on December 13, 2018, 06:10:35 AM
SLM to all,

why is in Quran only East and West mentioned ??
like vers Quran 7:
(The) Lord (of) the east and the west; (there is) no god except Him, so take Him (as) Disposer of Affairs.
رَّبُّ الْمَشْرِقِ وَالْمَغْرِبِ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ فَاتَّخِذْهُ وَكِيلًا   

i searched the Quran , i cant find NORTH and SOUTH , its always east and west ?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on December 13, 2018, 10:02:41 AM
SLM to all,

why is in Quran only East and West mentioned ??
like vers Quran 7:
(The) Lord (of) the east and the west; (there is) no god except Him, so take Him (as) Disposer of Affairs.
رَّبُّ الْمَشْرِقِ وَالْمَغْرِبِ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ فَاتَّخِذْهُ وَكِيلًا   

i searched the Quran , i cant find NORTH and SOUTH , its always east and west ?

although u can find in more intresting way covering not only NORTH and SOUTH
BUT also the solar system mechanism.

He is the LORD of both EAST and both WEST.

in there instead of mashriq and magrib author select the words ?mahreekeen? and ?magreebeen?

thats how some scholars interpreted it

55:17 [He is] the Sustainer of the two farthest points of sunrise, and the Sustainer of the two farthest points of sunset.

55:17 Lord of the two Easts and the two Wests.

its not only covering north south but also the complex phenomenon of season changing as we know in seventh century the concept of cosmos was different than todays percpective
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: kaltun on December 14, 2018, 01:38:33 AM
SLM Imrankhawaja,

thx for the reply..

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its not only covering north south but also the complex phenomenon of season changing as we know in seventh century the concept of cosmos was different than todays percpective
season changing ??
in this verse?
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(The) Lord (of) the east and the west; (there is) no god except Him, so take Him (as) Disposer of Affairs.
or in this ?
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[He is] Lord of the two sunrises and Lord of the two sunsets.


but the same word " mahreekeen" is also used at 43:38
http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=$rq#(55:17:2) (http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=$rq#(55:17:2))

حَتَّىٰ إِذَا جَاءَنَا قَالَ يَا لَيْتَ بَيْنِي وَبَيْنَكَ بُعْدَ الْمَشْرِقَيْنِ
and here its the east , the same word.....




Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on December 14, 2018, 07:14:51 AM
Peace All.
There is no need to debate flat or spherical earth. The virgin galactic spaceship is now ready to take tourists to space. photos of our earth will be easily got from there.
Or is this 25 year old project that included 300 engineers and hundreds of other scientists and skilled people working to achieve it is a hoax?
So wait no longer ,go and see for yourself. Or ask those traveling on it to take photos for you.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: kaltun on December 14, 2018, 08:10:32 AM
Peace All.
There is no need to debate flat or spherical earth. The virgin galactic spaceship is now ready to take tourists to space. photos of our earth will be easily got from there.
Or is this 25 year old project that included 300 engineers and hundreds of other scientists and skilled people working to achieve it is a hoax?
So wait no longer ,go and see for yourself. Or ask those traveling on it to take photos for you.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

SLM

i hope so its real... that we can close this issue once and forever....  ;)

but for me doesn't change the fact, Allah is the creator of all ...

btw when are they going to fly ?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on December 14, 2018, 10:25:31 AM
Peace kaltun.
It has already been tested:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/12/13/virgin_galactic_gets_to_space_for_first_time/

I believe many have booked already and it looks like they will leave soon(2019 at latest).
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on December 14, 2018, 07:49:46 PM
its a good business for FLAT earthers.
they can purchase the tickets in advance and can sale it in BLACK.

lot of FEs will b going to see the shape of earth.

anyway coming back to your post. @ ?masherkeen?
just see the word used there is a singular noun or dual noun ?
not defending quran or round earth just telling u how to see things by check and balance method.

example in my own post look carefully the bold part.


its not only covering north south but also the complex phenomenon of season changing as we know in seventh century the concept of cosmos was different than todays percpective


NOT only & BUT also when used together in a sentence make lot of room
for other things related with these two.

Not only he kidnapped him but also killed him.

two things clear but there is a clear picture of full story in imagination mode like torture , stabing, putting hot iron on skin, tied up with ropes, lot of other things.thats why these words are invented and applied bu grammerians to save you from hurdle, respect grammer and grammerians lmao atleast try to understand it.

and moreover see the question what u asked ?


Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: kaltun on December 15, 2018, 09:28:57 AM
SLM imrankhawaja,

i read it , and again .... but didnt get you... its me that dont understand your grammer explanation ..... sorry


like your example :
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Not only he kidnapped him but also killed him.

two things clear but there is a clear picture of full story in imagination mode like torture , stabing, putting hot iron on skin, tied up with ropes, lot of other things.thats why these words are invented and applied bu grammerians to save you from hurdle, respect grammer and grammerians lmao atleast try to understand it.

you imagining something what isint there ... again probably my lack of knowledge is shortcoming here...

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try to understand
:) , trying bro , i am trying

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NOT only & BUT also when used together in a sentence make lot of room

assuming and fact are not the same ....

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just see the word used there is a singular noun or dual noun

according corpus:
N ? nominative masculine dual noun

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/43/38/default.htm

is see: east , easts ,two easts, sunrises

so , if its same word , why do we get different translations??

what does two east mean actually

but thx for the reply ....

@goodlogic , they say nothing special , like when they planning to take tourist to out of space ....

2009 they sold tickets for the trip .... 9 years later still no trip  >:D

and this line :

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SpaceShipTwo goes faster and higher than ever before
  :rotfl:


they stopped with flights after the death of the co-pilot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Alsbury ( not even a photo of him at his wikipedia ....)

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Co-pilot, Mike Alsbury, 39, was killed, while pilot, Pete Siebold, 43, survived the crash, parachuting to the ground with a shoulder injury.

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Pilots: Michael Alsbury (left) was killed in the crash, while co-pilot Peter Siebold (right) survived

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2818446/Virgin-Galactic-spaceship-NOT-destroyed-exploding-fuel-tank-split-apart-spaceship-s-descend-device-deployed-prematurely-investigators-reveal.html

?? who got killed ?? pilot of co-pilot ?

how long do you predict when we can go to the space??? ::)


Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on December 16, 2018, 04:09:53 AM
Peace kaltun.
I was mainly highlighting that if a space ship is able to go to such a hight ,surely a photo of the shape of our earth will be a reality(some are not accepting the photos taken by NASA) and there will be no need to debate it.

However,the latest test is the most promising. It shows they will keep going.
I think by next year they will start the first trip. But it is my guess.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on December 17, 2018, 07:44:48 AM

i read it , and again .... but didnt get you... its me that dont understand your grammer explanation ..... sorry

assuming and fact are not the same ....



i know its diificult to understand sometimes thats y most of the times i have to explain them in reality only if they use common sense it will save my time explaining them .

anyway i m not assuming i m telling you a specific tone.
now see how i assume all those things obviously ( by a post mortom report)

all situation changed now  :yes

post mortem report shows me he got torture, iron on his skin etc etc the signs of ropes are also there and ti summarise all of it i say NOT onlt they kiddnapped him but ALSO killed him.

coming back to your original question ?
you said quran did not mention about NORTH and SOUTH
i said but quran mention something else masharqeen and magharbeen as well as mashriq and magrib ?

now its your duty to see and read all cosmos and spinning of celestial bodies to see what does author want to tell the audience of seventh century ?
Easts and Wests hahahaha

i just remeber people like you when u find NORTH and SOUTH in quran or anything you will say why there is not mention of south-east ? where is north west? where is west midlands?

anyway have a good day.

EDIT
i just saw this of your quote

so , if its same word , why do we get different translations??

i dunno brother why we have different translations. but i can understand everybody have their own methods of translations.

so why not u make your own translation they use the same method what u will gona use so better trust yourself instead of blindly trust on interpretation.

roughly 15 to 20 years keep in your mind if your native is not arabic
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: si di on December 22, 2018, 12:33:49 AM
the first globe was build by a russian muslim,i think.


mmmh...

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: quincy on December 22, 2018, 07:26:35 AM
لَّعَنَهُ ٱللَّهُ‌ۘ وَقَالَ لَأَتَّخِذَنَّ مِنۡ عِبَادِكَ نَصِيبً۬ا مَّفۡرُوضً۬ا (١١٨) وَلَأُضِلَّنَّهُمۡ وَلَأُمَنِّيَنَّهُمۡ وَلَأَمُرَنَّهُمۡ فَلَيُبَتِّڪُنَّ ءَاذَانَ ٱلۡأَنۡعَـٰمِ وَلَأَمُرَنَّہُمۡ فَلَيُغَيِّرُنَّ خَلۡقَ ٱللَّهِ‌ۚ وَمَن يَتَّخِذِ ٱلشَّيۡطَـٰنَ وَلِيًّ۬ا مِّن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ فَقَدۡ خَسِرَ خُسۡرَانً۬ا مُّبِينً۬ا (١١٩) يَعِدُهُمۡ وَيُمَنِّيہِمۡ‌ۖ وَمَا يَعِدُهُمُ ٱلشَّيۡطَـٰنُ إِلَّا غُرُورًا (١٢٠) أُوْلَـٰٓٮِٕكَ مَأۡوَٮٰهُمۡ جَهَنَّمُ وَلَا يَجِدُونَ عَنۡہَا مَحِيصً۬ا (١٢١)


All?h cursed him. And he [Shait?n (Satan)] said: ?I will take an appointed portion of your slaves; (118) Verily, I will mislead them, and surely, I will arouse in them false desires; and certainly, I will order them to slit the ears of cattle, and indeed I will order them to change the nature created by All?h.? And whoever takes Shait?n (Satan) as a Wal? (protector or helper) instead of All?h, has surely suffered a manifest loss.[] (119) He [Shaitan (Satan)] makes promises to them, and arouses in them false desires; and Shaitan?s (Satan) promises are nothing but deceptions. (120) The dwelling of such (people) is Hell, and they will find no way of escape from it. (121)

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I have read a book about the Jesuit Order. A very influential Order during the oppressive dogmatic Reign in the Roman Empire. The Illuminati Order was based on the teachings of the Jesuits. Its them who have a very deep connection with astral entities like impure Jinn. If you look at their Meditation techniques, theres no wonders that the founder Ignatius of Loyola encountered "Christ" during his Meditation, who i think is Iblis himself. All of the sciences we know today were introduced by Jesuits. The Big Bang theory was a theory of Jesuit Priest. All that we know about Astronomy today is based on Jesuit teachings. Why they are obsessed with the Sun and Heliocentrism? Dont froget that Iblis is a Jinn. Jinn is a race made from smokeless fire. The Sun is an allegory for the Jinn, like the Earth is an allegory for Mankind. The Moon is an allegory for Malaika. Allah is the creator of all and the Lord of the Sirius. The Lord of the Throne over the Waters of the 7 Heavens. 7 Heavens and 7 Earths. 4 Gardens of Eden. Read the Qur'an with your deprogrammed free mind. This Book IS from the Creator of everything! Hell is below indeed! We are right in the center of good and evil.

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: kaltun on January 15, 2019, 07:34:04 AM
SLM to all,

best explanation of how a compas works on a flateart :)

check it tell me if these are not possible thoughts ??

https://youtu.be/sy7q549d5vQ?t=419 (https://youtu.be/sy7q549d5vQ?t=419)
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 17, 2019, 07:36:13 AM
BEST explanation for some.(flat earthers)
WORST explanation for rest of the world. lol.

FAKE experiment WRONG measurements IMAGINATIVE earth. STUPID scientist lmao :rotfl:

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: jkhan on January 17, 2019, 11:06:28 PM
BEST explanation for some.(flat earthers)
WORST explanation for rest of the world. lol.

FAKE experiment WRONG measurements IMAGINATIVE earth. STUPID scientist lmao :rotfl:

Actually no one of those who believe is convinced that the earth is round but only believing in certain people's opinion invented by very few people and confirmed by NASA.. No such believer has verified each and everything what those theories are... No need to have a huge fun on the opinions of flat earth, who knows one day you may be in this group... then it will hurt... I have read many a flat earth questions no one seems to be answering including the scientists with logic but only mystery... You believed in it and rest of the world is surrounded with your opinion doesnt mean you are on the right path..
Truth always hidden and truth comes out with the help of nonsense and much of false... wait for it if you are good enough...Don't act like in your response that there is no challenge to the spinning myth..if so you are on your blindness... Remember the FLAT EARTH community is the biggest threat to the world very soon... coz, as you have right to beleive we have and we believe there is a conspiracy..
I don't see anything wrong in what Kaltun brought, unless you shut his mouth without being able to reply ....not your laughter and emojis, then your answer has weight...till then search truth with patience... who knows you may be on the wrong boat for your intended journey....
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 18, 2019, 04:41:31 AM
I don't see anything wrong in what Kaltun brought, unless you shut his mouth without being able to reply ....

ur real face is showing slowly slowly as per i expected thats y i m afraid i will not talk with you in future. that of my post was due to a reason and i m successful in it cloaking out who actually u are.

btw nobody need to shut nobodys mouth, all flat earther mouths are already shut i only see defeat in the face of flat earthers (always and always).

loke this of my last post show me an experiment how to crack lunar and solar eclpise with same equipments the person used in videos then i see its a threat to world.

yeh once it was a threat to world of flat earthers soon galileo claimed that and get sentensed. the law of natural God make Galilieo alive in our memories and books people still consider him legend.

on the other hand so called flatearther of that time are invisible from
history nobody even wana know about them people whoever hear that story just send curses upon those barbarians who kill people in the name of God.

thats my last post to you so i just show generousity to give u reply of your questions. why i m telling u all this becoz i know that u already know how many threads of flat earth are open evidence of their defeat.





Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: kaltun on January 18, 2019, 06:11:12 AM
Slm imrankhawaja,


why are you so hostile again flatearth thinkers ?? how do you know that the knowledge of your is 100%  ?? you have taken some information as truth and thats your base as understanding, you never been in space, heck even NASA  atm moment says they lost the technology to get people in space ...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2015/12/11/how-we-lost-the-ability-to-travel-to-the-moon/#46dd087e1f48

they went 6 times ... SIX TIMES to the moon  , 1969,1971 and 1972
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing

and in the era of technology we CANT GO .... but hey no suspicion here   ::) ::)


talking about defeating flatearthers ?? why , why is that important to you to debunk flat earthers ??

for me the reason of why i think this way was , common logic  and open mind, cause we DON'T KNOW the truth, we are common folks , only elite gets more truth ( sure if you beleave in elite ;)  ) , my first step was rejecting hadith as part of the Quran .... and this opened my eyes and mind...


May Allah guide us to the strait path
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: jkhan on January 18, 2019, 09:34:27 AM
I don't need the responses from the people who don't have the stamina to hold while arguing.... I only like the people who have guts to continue at any stage till the truth comes out.. Such are only looking for guidance and others at be passing time here...
God knows best who I am and you will know who I am in sha Allah in the day of ressurection... Then it's too late... I can't convince anyone what is in my heart.. That's useless effort...
May God heal the wounded hearts...
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on January 18, 2019, 10:26:35 AM
Peace jkhan.
You mean you want people here to have the stamina to discuss the shape of the earth?
Actually you only need few minutes to reflect on the shape of all the other planets and stars in this universe.
They all connect through the gravity so they do not collapse on each other.
They are all the same shape (have a look at the moon and other solar planets using binoculars).
They all move so that the harmony, distance and coherence is maintained through space and gravity.
They all have orbits to keep to their defined path by the creator.
 Now think for another  minute. The shape of the earth is defined by what is in the universe and how they are connected  together. Why should the earth be any different?

Or do you mean we should have the patience to wait for the Virgin space shuttle to take us up there to take photos(again) for everyone to see?
Remember the Russians, Chinese and Europeans have already taken pictures of our earth from up there. It is the same shape as the NASA ones. Or are they collaborating to mislead you?
Anyway, I think the word flat is not appropriate for our earth since one can see mountains and valleys of different hights!
My best advice to you brother is just wait and see like we will. All other avenues have been exhausted for now. A new picture from up ther should do it for all of us? Or do you disagree with that?
I would say let us not waste our time discussing and going around in circles(like the earth), just wait for more evidence that you and I can see .
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: kaltun on January 18, 2019, 11:55:22 AM
SLM Good logic ,

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You mean you want people here to have the stamina to discuss the shape of the earth?
this is your reply to JKhan about this
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I don't need the responses from the people who don't have the stamina to hold while arguing

did you even read what imrankhawaja wrote ,

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ur real face is showing slowly slowly as per i expected thats y i m afraid i will not talk with you in future. that of my post was due to a reason and i m successful in it cloaking out who actually u are.

so this was between them , not what you meant  ( i think) ...

if you ( or readers) dont want to discuss , nobody is pushing you .. so dont write/post it...

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Actually you only need few minutes to reflect on the shape of all the other planets and stars in this universe.

i am not JKhan but lets reflect what your saying ...

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They all connect through the gravity so they do not collapse on each other.

lets assume this , please bare with me

the gravity of the moon is so strong that the causes are ebb and flow correct ??  ( funny thing this is only on seas not on big lakes orso )

let us compare with the earth :

(https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/what-is-gravity/en/what-is-gravity2.en.jpg)
this is image is from NASA ;) , they are so smart they even know the gravity of saturn  :rotfl:

100/17= 5.88  so infact  the gravity of earth is 6 time bigger...... if the less gravity  of the moon have this effect on earth , why does the earth not pull the moon to himself ????  in fact this should happened long long before us ...

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They are all the same shape (have a look at the moon and other solar planets using binoculars).

(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/05/4c/01/054c01e0c0a25871c052885c1d190345.jpg)

its a joke but your say the  same ..

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They all move so that the harmony, distance and coherence is maintained through space and gravity.
They all have orbits to keep to their defined path by the creator.

i agree with you cause this i can back it up with the Quran , only thing here is none of these movements is meant for earth , please if you can find a verse were it says the earth is moving ill gladly wanna read it ...

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Now think for another  minute. The shape of the earth is defined by what is in the universe and how they are connected  together. Why should the earth be any different?

again assuming , check the billiard table picture above ;)

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Remember the Russians, Chinese and Europeans have already taken pictures of our earth from up there

can i have some , please ive been searching the whole internet , and i cant find genuine one , all of them are modified or cgi ....

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Anyway, I think the word flat is not appropriate for our earth since one can see mountains and valleys of different hights!

so if they say flatearth you think this way ?? flat like paper ?? c'mon use more imagination pls

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Or do you mean we should have the patience to wait for the Virgin space shuttle to take us up there to take photos(again) for everyone to see?

suicide mission , one way ticket ...  >:D
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 18, 2019, 02:08:50 PM


1 why are you so hostile again flatearth thinkers ??
2 how do you know that the knowledge of your is 100%  ??
3 you have taken some information as truth.
4 you never been in space,

5 talking about defeating flatearthers ?? why , why is that important to you to debunk flat earthers ??


1 not about faltearthers they are my brothers and sisters but yeh with flat earth theory. i dun even have issue with theory i have issue when they said QURAN,GOD,XYZ claims that earth having this shape. now u get it where i m coming from.

2 the process of verification/double check/investigating/problems solvings. tells us where we are going in this simple test as u can see one model gives details of solar lunar eclipse one is not giving details ( i m sure u will not give the details) thats how i see model A is better than model B.

3 i only take information as truth after verification.thats what a sound mind do.instead of beleiving in conspricy theories.i hope u take information of flat earth feom youtube videos and on top of that ur videos are not by any qualified scientist. lol

4 how you know ? may b saudi prince is my frd and he show me earth from space station. do u want me show u pics as an evidence ? but u ll gona say pics are edited isnt it? ur questions are funny and illogical.thats what u can expect from slow minds. what we can say. ;)

5 hahahahahaha  :yay: why i want to deafeat them ?
its an illogical and false statement

they already defeated and living in status of losers lol and its not possible for me to defeat the losers. so relax i dun have such intenetions.

look i also have a bit idea of futuroutcomes( you will not discuss eclipses) isnt it?
u have a chance to prove me wrong and start discussing bout eclipses it would b fun.
common now. :peace:

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: huruf on January 18, 2019, 04:34:59 PM


the gravity of the moon is so strong that the causes are ebb and flow correct ??  ( funny thing this is only on seas not on big lakes orso )



Have you verified it does not? Or are you saying that big lakes do not have ebbs and flows?


And, again, earth is not flat, it is not flat because of mountains, ye and depths of the oceans and lakes. About imagination, no it is perfectly visible and also no answer is being given as to the real shape of the earth according to flat earthers. Again, it is a slice, of which thickness and of what shape and extensi?n.

There are questions that nobody ever answers on the part of the flat earthers but they keep "trapping the others" as if they indeed had travelled themselves on outer space. And for sure telescopes have taught us absolutely nothing about anything outside earth.

I do not mind anything of that, in fact I could not care less what people fantasize about that, but what I find annoying is that they want to carry the Qur'an on it.

Where does the Qur'an say that the earth, the planet, is a slice or whatever the flatearthers say it is.

Salaam
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: jkhan on January 18, 2019, 09:07:44 PM
https://youtu.be/bCeTLWT3hgI

No difference to what NASA did..

Peace


As tilhawa explained in his recent thread.. I too say to you O you erudite people and the people who claim that you believe in Quran and it's author... Don't you understand  the below verses...
Is there a place on this very spinning and rotating and tilting earth where human has not been able to go ... As per technology they claim they have gone beyond this earth and why not ISS is rounding the earth within 24 hours many a times.... There is no place in earth that's beyond reach... But God says otherwise... Can anyone show me the place where if human try to reach in earth will be followed by flaming fire and smoke... Can anyone answer if you wish... What to answer when you believe in spinning myth... When human has already gone beyond the regions of Earth and made it a ball... Strangely even Jinn can't go beyond the regions of earth.. Just forget heavens... Just tell what are these regions untrodden while you have the full map of globe earth...

55:33 O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority [from Allah].
55:35 There will be sent upon you a flame of fire and smoke, and you will not defend yourselves.

O people.. Flat doesn't mean flat as you think... Don't we see the mountains? Don't we see the depth of sea?  Put the same question of mountains to globe or round earth.. how can earth be round or sphere while mountains there... 😁

No need to bring the same verses again and again... . Just go back read topic width of heaven and earth or the topic Mike opened long back.... Or at least get attached to nature and observe... Go to Alaska or any midnight sun visible nations in Scandinavian and see midnight Sun  or go to beach in summer and winter and see the time which takes for the sun to set from the moment it looks touches the horizon... You will find drastic difference coz sun keeps changing its speed of rotation above the earth... In outer and inner circle...
God says mountains will keep the earth  from moving but you have already believed earth is spinning  at 1000 miles per hour and 67k mile per hour around the sun and tilt 23.5 degree and moving in the space millions of miles ... And moving nowhere ..as per myth we are ever moving and shaking when quacks around but God says mountains are there so that we wont move with the earth... Don't we move with earth... We don't know even where we we are moving....  Without obstacles we are moving millions of miles with galaxy... How insignificant we are.  That's what they want we are insignificant
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: jkhan on January 18, 2019, 09:21:56 PM
https://youtu.be/wEjhFwEPFs4

Guys if u have not watched this taje your time to see peacefully...

God bless us and let us be away from fakes
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: kaltun on January 19, 2019, 05:06:28 AM
Slm Huruf,

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Have you verified it does not? Or are you saying that big lakes do not have ebbs and flows?

not my self, but this has always been an question mark for years, cause my teacher could not answer this, but there is also minimal to nill info about the ebb and flow on lakes on the net .....
this explanation i did found :
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Firstly, tides are not simply caused by the gravitational pull of the moon as such. The moon doesn't revolve around the Earth precisely. They both revolve around their mutual centre of gravity, but because the Earth is so much heavier this means that the moon travels in large circles while the Earth travels in very small circles. It is this movement which causes the Earth's oceans, which are all interconnected, to "slosh" around, hence tides. Lakes would be very slightly affected but they are extremely small in comparison with the world's oceans, and not interconnected so they can't slosh around so noticeably.
:rotfl: :rotfl:
can you provide me some links about ebb and flow on lakes ?

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I do not mind anything of that, in fact I could not care less what people fantasize about that, but what I find annoying is that they want to carry the Qur'an on it.

Where does the Qur'an say that the earth, the planet, is a slice or whatever the flatearthers say it is.

i am trying this also to find out , where does the Quran says that the earth is an spherical spinning ball ??

i find more clues that this earth is not the earth we think we are living in  :confused:

we trusting science to much ,  be know this , 1000 years ago , the science told us the earth were flat ,  and now it spherical and tomorrow triangle ... cause science changes......

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There are questions that nobody ever answers on the part of the flat earthers but they keep "trapping the others" as if they indeed had travelled themselves on outer space. And for sure telescopes have taught us absolutely nothing about anything outside earth.
so called flatearthers doesnt either know what the shape of the earth is / are or all spacequestion cant be answered cause nobody went there.... all lies ....

how can you move object in vacuum ?? , space is empty  yet we can send signals through ,  space is empty yet we can stear or use brakes for the rockets :rotfl:, the sun is so big and has so big attractive force yet the planets stays on their spots  :yeah:,  we have gasplanet on our solar system .... its a gas planet , yet we can land on it ?? we know how big/havy his actractive-force  en so on   :hypno:

and i see in this verses that even there is also non space travel, i ask this in more places , i get no answers, only dodging my question... maybe you will answer me Huruf....
(Allah) said, "Get down some of you to some others (as) enemy. And for you in the earth (is) a dwelling place and livelihood for a time."
He said, "In it you will live and in it you will die and from it you will be brought forth."
Quran 7:24-25


this verses telling me i will only DIE on the earth ... if there were spacetravel this should mean , i could never die in the space , or Quran lies  :nope:
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on January 19, 2019, 05:27:55 AM
Peace kaltun.
Check the second quote in your post to me. It is not mine.. Please quote me properly by indicating where the quote is from!
You have copied jkhan s ? This is it here, quote kaltun:

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I don't need the responses from the people who don't have the stamina to hold while arguing

did you even read what imrankhawaja wrote ,

So nothing to do with me that quote above brother.

Now what has the example of  billiard table and earth got in common? Does the earth hold the planets and stars?
Space does. But the billiard tables hold the balls together. So where does your example come in since earth is part of the balls in space? Surely you can only compare the balls ,not what is holding them!!!!

Anyway the shape of the earth has been discussed to death. Your choice and take on what shape your earth is?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on January 19, 2019, 05:32:25 AM
Peace kaltun.
Having read your post again,
I can see that you have not quoted me on your second quote, but meant an answer to what brother jkhan s said.
So apologies.
My answer to that is there is no need to discuss anymore. All avenues about the shape of the earth ,links and questions exist elsewhere in this forum.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Blue_Lobster on January 19, 2019, 06:02:59 AM
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Actually you only need few minutes to reflect on the shape of all the other planets and stars in this universe.

This is where the Heliocentric model falls flat on its face. There is that ONE thing, which maybe will seem small and unimportant at the first look, but when reflecting deeper, will show that there is a very serious issue with the way humans have been brainwashed with this Luciferian indoctrination.

I will relate to this by asking you one simple question: Who told you that Earth is a "planet"? Can you define for us the meaning of "planet?". Show, where in the Koran does it say that Earth (meaning "Al-Ardh") is a planet? If you say "planet" means "kawkab", well, there is a problem here: Koran says the LOWER HEAVEN ("dunya") has been filled with "kawakib" as ornaments. So, when you look up at the sky, you see them shining. You see them with your own naked eyes. Do they seem to be trillions and quadrillions of miles away, as the sorcerers of Heliocentrism have been saying? Does this look like LOWE HEAVEN to you? These "kawakib" are also been said to be "lamps" and "ornaments" and "rujum for the rebellious devils". (And I will bet you that this word "rujum" means something completely different from what you see in the official lexicons).

Again, I ask: Who told you that the Earth you live on is one of these "kawakib"?

This false logic can be compared by giving analogous example: If you imagine a small ant, crawling on a pool table. It passes by a red ball, and then afterwards it passes by a green ball. And then, it looks around it, left and right, and sees a black ball and a yellow ball here, and a pink ball there. So, by this means, the ant will look under its feet and say: "Oh....then I must be also on a big green ball".  :brickwall:

Earth is a realm. A plane of existence. It is not a "heavenly body". Only when you understand this, will you be able to free yourself from the Luciferian delusion.

Salam.  :peace:

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: jkhan on January 19, 2019, 07:00:19 AM
This is where the Heliocentric model falls flat on its face. There is that ONE thing, which maybe will seem small and unimportant at the first look, but when reflecting deeper, will show that there is a very serious issue with the way humans have been brainwashed with this Luciferian indoctrination.

I will relate to this by asking you one simple question: Who told you that Earth is a "planet"? Can you define for us the meaning of "planet?". Show, where in the Koran does it say that Earth (meaning "Al-Ardh") is a planet? If you say "planet" means "kawkab", well, there is a problem here: Koran says the LOWER HEAVEN ("dunya") has been filled with "kawakib" as ornaments. So, when you look up at the sky, you see them shining. You see them with your own naked eyes. Do they seem to be trillions and quadrillions of miles away, as the sorcerers of Heliocentrism have been saying? Does this look like LOWE HEAVEN to you? These "kawakib" are also been said to be "lamps" and "ornaments" and "rujum for the rebellious devils". (And I will bet you that this word "rujum" means something completely different from what you see in the official lexicons).

Again, I ask: Who told you that the Earth you live on is one of these "kawakib"?

This false logic can be compared by giving analogous example: If you imagine a small ant, crawling on a pool table. It passes by a red ball, and then afterwards it passes by a green ball. And then, it looks around it, left and right, and sees a black ball and a yellow ball here, and a pink ball there. So, by this means, the ant will look under its feet and say: "Oh....then I must be also on a big green ball".  :brickwall:

Earth is a realm. A plane of existence. It is not a "heavenly body". Only when you understand this, will you be able to free yourself from the Luciferian delusion.

Salam.  :peace:
Peace
Well said whoever you are whatever your belief is.... Your response seems you spoke with logic and after thoroughly convinced.   
God bless you...
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on January 19, 2019, 07:01:26 AM
Peace Blue_Lobster .

I assume you are addressing me here quote:

Again, I ask: Who told you that the Earth you live on is one of these "kawakib"?

Everything I analysed about earth tells me it is a planet.One exception earth holds from other planets is life.

I fail to see any motif behind anyone lying about the shape of the earth. May be they have the wrong conclusion but why lie?  And even if others lie, one has to do the checking for themselves and believe their own findings!

Do you say by today s standard we cannot get a picture of earth from space? I say we can and we have.
You say earth is a realm,  whatever that means?but it is also a planet suspended in space like all the other objects (moons,stars, planets, rocks,ice... That GOD created and put on our universe..)

May be we have all been brainwshed, but each will have to do their own "debrainwashing" for themselves.
As for Qoran, it does not tell me the earth is a realm. It tells me the earth is a habitable place for us and Qoran specificably talks about day and night in regard to where we are-Earth-:
25:47
He is the One who designed the night to be a cover, and for you to sleep and rest. And He made the day a resurrection.
وَهُوَ الَّذى جَعَلَ لَكُمُ الَّيلَ لِباسًا وَالنَّومَ سُباتًا وَجَعَلَ النَّهارَ نُشورًا
... "Yukawwiru Al- Leyl Ala Al-Nahar-..They alternate with our earth turning:
25:62
He is the One who designed the night and the day to alternate: a sufficient proof for those who wish to take heed, or to be appreciative.
وَهُوَ الَّذى جَعَلَ الَّيلَ وَالنَّهارَ خِلفَةً لِمَن أَرادَ أَن يَذَّكَّرَ أَو أَرادَ شُكورًا
25:63
The Ibad of the Most Gracious are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace.
وَعِبادُ الرَّحمٰنِ الَّذينَ يَمشونَ عَلَى الأَرضِ هَونًا وَإِذا خاطَبَهُمُ الجٰهِلونَ قالوا سَلٰمًا

Yes brother day and night are on this earth when Qoran mentions them for us. It just means our earth. This one. The one that turns around itself and the sun for the day and night to exist.

Also let us read between the lines here in Qoran:
12:4
Recall that Joseph said to his father, "O my father, I saw eleven planets, and the sun, and the moon; I saw them prostrating before me."
إِذ قالَ يوسُفُ لِأَبيهِ يٰأَبَتِ إِنّى رَأَيتُ أَحَدَ عَشَرَ كَوكَبًا وَالشَّمسَ وَالقَمَرَ رَأَيتُهُم لى سٰجِدينَ
Planets and the Moon(not a planet) and the sun(not a planet)...All that exists in our universe are planets,moons and stars. One may add astroid belt or ice(minute planets to me by definition). But I see no seperate realms in our universe.
That is what Qoran says to me . My understanding.
GOD bless you
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: huruf on January 19, 2019, 08:35:11 AM
I am not going to look in internet to see whether big lakes have ebbs and flows, I am not kept awake by that question, but as it happens I was on the Ladoga and oniega lakes this year and from the talk of the guide it seems that ebbs and flows are the normal thing that occurs, so may be it only happens in those two lakes and before that it never ocurred to me that big bodies of water of any kind were not subject to ebbs and flow. I suppose I learnt that the same as I leanrnt other things and never heard that they did not have.

So really, again what shape is the earth for flat earthers, a slice, a donought, without any approximate particular shape, how thick is the slice...? 

Where does the Qur'an say that the earth is a slice? Flat it does not say that it is.

Salaam

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: jkhan on January 19, 2019, 08:57:17 AM


Yes brother day and night are on this earth when Qoran mentions them for us. It just means our earth. This one. The one that turns around itself and the sun for the day and night to exist.


Peace GL
I know you have your own belief...
But you say you have the picture of the earth from space and you believe it... Fine... But for us it is just cartoon and CGI  .. That's our belief..
Meanwhile if you believe the picture of the earth why don't you believe that day and night is in moon also and as well in all those alleged planets.. That's what their picture says.. Didn't you see recent rover of China which landed on Day time.... Why only moon and planet Day and night.. Still more.. So called. 170 plus moons have day and night... But you claim. Day and night only in the earth.. Yes that's what Quran says.. How come you keep legs in both boats... Anyhow as you said the topic is discussed to death.. Let people do their research..
but Iam always there to respond which I feel wrong...that's  why forum door is open... Let's get guided...
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on January 19, 2019, 10:22:39 AM
Peace jkhan.
Of course other planets have their own day and night but Qoran speaks of our  day and night.To us humans here  on earth. It is earth s day and night according  to how this earth is designed to receive the sunlight and the motion of both earth and sun.

No doubt day and night is different in other planets. Do we sleep at the night time according to the moon s night?

You know day means sun visible to us, night sun covered from us (our side of the earth). One side is in sunlight the other side is covered from sunlight and the motion of day/night rolls on continuously on our earth .
So I do not know what your post is implying brother?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Blue_Lobster on January 19, 2019, 02:43:45 PM
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I fail to see any motif behind anyone lying about the shape of the earth.

Well, maybe I think it's time for you to do a little bit of research about who is really running the show on this Earth. Once you find out who "they" are, the religion they follow, and the final goal of their game, then you will strike yourself on the head repeatedly for not being able to see the "motif".

The way you ask the question make it seem ridiculous and very lame. It's not just about SHAPE of the Earth. It's more about the POSITION of the Earth in this thing that you call "universe".

These Luciferian sorcerers who have brainwashed humans for past 5 centuries simply revived the Hermetical sun worship cult that was started by Pythagoras in 500 BC. What happened was that Mr. Copernicus read some translated books of this kind and decided to place the sun at the center of his "universe". The Heliocentric model is a false, philosophical teaching based on occult, Hermetics and pagan sun worship. They simply fooled you by masking it as a "science", and gave you all these fancy mathematical equations to impress your mind. To believe this philosophy, you have to kill your senses and instinct and disbelieve your eyes, and to favor their books of spells.

Do you really believe this photo here is real?

(https://i.imgur.com/f3iP65J.jpg)


Did you ever stop and think that maybe the people who gave you this photo had some agenda, by imagining the Earth as a small ball of dust, which is totally pathetic and insignificant, and just one of billions of "planets" in this endless "universe" they like to push? Maybe the idea is to make you belief you are not so important. Not special at all.

Here's a few quotes from some of these sorcerers who gave you the model of the "universe" that is so dear to your heart:

(https://i.imgur.com/angu14t.jpg)

So, as Carl "the pagan" Sagan tells us, we all came from the stars. So the stars made us! Is this science? Or is it just a religion posing as science?

(https://i.imgur.com/4ngp1rN.jpg)

Listen to Mr. Neil "Smokegrass" Tyson, when he says: if you believe in intelligent design, you are IGNORANT!

(https://i.imgur.com/FgInTL2.jpg)

Ok, so no intelligent design. You are just an evolved monkey with NO PURPOSE. In other way of saying it: You are an accident  :)

Are you starting to see something?

This model that they gave you (big bang explosion creating everything from nothing, and sending matter flying through space for "light years") has only one purpose: to remove the CREATOR from the equation. Nothing else.

You see, it's all one big and elaborate chain of lies: Big Bang - Evolution - Heliocentrism - Endless Universe. And I believe it's all in preparation for the fake alien invasion that they are planning (they have the technology to do this, and they have been subconsciously preparing people through Hollywood movies).

By this model, your life here becomes without purpose as well, and the only thing they want you to do is to wake up every day, go to your 9 to 5 job, buy their products, consume them, and then die. Next case, please. This fits with corporate fascism, doesn't it? Godless materialism? Or however they want to label it. It will also make it easier for them to control you. In the absence of a Creator, they become your god and your master. This is the agenda.

What you (and millions of others) have done is taken this false, heliocentric garbage as the truth, and simply inserted God in the equation again, thinking that you are smarter than the "astronomers". You are thinking maybe that this endless universe is the sign of God's greatness! Actually, it's not. Because how I see it is this: a god who creates an endless universe with billions of galaxies, and each galaxy to contain billions of planets, and in the end makes his judgment on those living on a tiny little ball of spit in this creation, is not an all powerful god. He is a vain and arrogant monster who created a vain and inefficient universe, and it's al just for show.

Koran tells you God does not create anything out of vanity. Even the mosquito that you kill has a purpose. So tell me now, what is the purpose of your endless universe in relation to Earth?

Don't try to make the Koran fit into this bogus astronomical model by force. It does not work, and you are only deluding yourself. Koran says all heavenly bodies are to serve the inhabitants of the Earth. I believe the word used is "taskheer", if I remember correct? So how can a tiny little spit ball in an endless universe be in agreement with this model? Of course, there are so many examples of how the Koranic model is completely opposite to what the space agencies and their Luciferian evolved monkeys are pushing, but I will not waste time here, especially on a subject that the moderators have chosen to classify as "junk".

I will give you just one example, and maybe you can go and think about it a bit:

Koran describes what happens when the Hour arrives very accurately. It says that the stars ("nujum") and wandering luminaries ("kawakib") will all be extinguished AT THE SAME TIME, and gives us an image of how those who will be alive when it happens will look to the sky like they are drunk, not understanding what is going on. Of course, how could they understand, when they have been living with this belief of ridiculous distances from the Earth to the stars, reaching millions and billions and quadrillions of miles? They tell us that the stars are so far away that it takes hundreds of years for their light to reach us!! It's all LIES.

If these stars are "light years" apart, how will they all be extinguished SUDDENLY, at the same time, when the Hour comes?

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Do you say by today s standard we cannot get a picture of earth from space? I say we can and we have.

No, we have NOT. There are no real photos of Earth from space. PERIOD. Not one, ever, anywhere. Even NASA itself admits that they images constructed from scratch on the computer. Anyone can reproduce them with simple Photoshop.

(https://i.imgur.com/lxQnlRo.png)

Make your pick from the above. Which one is the real Earth?

(https://i.imgur.com/Bm86oCT.jpg)

Here they are, admitting it from their own mouth: It HAS to be photoshop.

Do you understand the difference between an IMAGE and a PHOTO? What you see on the internet and the "science" books and magazines, and when you turn on your smart phone every day and in Hollywood movies, are IMAGES of what they want you to believe the Earth is. They are not photos.

They are even so lazy in their "design" that if you look closely, you will see clouds being copy- pasted here and there, oceans changing colors, and continents changing sizes. Such garbage. It amazes me how people are tricked over and over again to believe in this!

Further, allow me to ask the artist who gave us the famous "Blue Marble Earth", Mr. Simmons: Why does it HAVE to be Photoshoped?  If the "space" agencies can go so far out, why can't they just turn their telescopes around and snap a real PHOTO of the Earth, as it really is, without any makeup? Why can they only give us computer IMAGES. If that's not a red flag, I don't know what is.

I can understand why fast food restaurants put "embellished" photoshoped images of their hamburgers, as a marketing ploy. Of course, that's not what the real hamburger looks like when you order it. So could it be that NASA are simply selling us a product? Could it be that no human has ever gone above 80 - 90 kilometers, because there is a PHYSICAL BARRIER stretched above our Earth REALM, which the Koran calls "the Raised Ceiling", and which prevents the REBELIOUS DEVILS from going further, so they make up fancy "scientific" names for it like "the Carman Line" or other such garbage?  :hmm

Another funny thing is this: In 2011, Neil "Smokegrass" Tyson went on TV and said the Earth is actually shaped like a pear, with its southern hemisphere being bigger and more "bulged" than its northern part. This is after decades of them telling us that it is an oblate spheroid (egg-shaped)! So why the change? And if it is egg-shaped or pear-shaped, why are the "photos" from space always showing a perfect sphere?  :whatever:


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"Yukawwiru Al- Leyl Ala Al-Nahar-..They alternate with our earth turning:

Oh, how creative is that!  :bravo:

So the ONLY way that night and day can alternate, in your view, is for the Earth to spin at 1000 miles per hour at the equator?

First of all, the word "takweer" means to extinguish / put out. And yes, as you said, there is an alternating cycle meaning that the night extinguishes the day, and then the day extinguishes the night. This word "yukawwir" is used to describe the day-night CYCLE, and has nothing to do with the shape of the Earth. Again, you are forcing the Koran to say something it is not saying.

For now, while there is life on Earth, the DAY and NIGHT will extinguish each other. But when the Hour comes, the sun ITSELF will be extinguished (as per verse 81:1). The "takweer" of the sun when the world ends does not mean that the sun will "become spherical".

Secondly, you are assuming that the sun is 100 times larger than the earth, and located at 93 million miles, and then basing your belief on this assumption, even though your own senses and natural instinct are telling you that the sun is much much smaller than the Earth, and illuminates locally, like a FLASHLIGHT LAMP ("siraj"), exactly as the Koran describes it.

This is how night and day work on our fixed, Earth Realm:

(https://i.imgur.com/R02KzEZ.jpg)

A sun that is 93 million miles from Earth cannot possibly leave a hot spot of that size on the Earth. Compare it with a streetlamp, and you will see it for what it really is.

(https://i.imgur.com/Aqe47r4.jpg)


A sun that is 93 million miles away and 100 times the size of the Earth cannot have rays reaching us the way they do.

(https://i.imgur.com/JUYqEtY.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/jaCTovi.jpg)


A sun that is 93 million miles away and 100 times bigger than Earth cannot possibly get smaller as it sets, when viewed from very high altitudes:

(https://i.imgur.com/1Fc9Lsb.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Xd8EbSh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/w6U7lXK.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0mWfFXe.jpg)


We live in a fixed realm called Earth, enclosed by some kind of solid, physical structure above it. This Earth realm has boundaries ("aqtar") and was designed and put there ON PURPOSE by an intelligent CREATOR, as a kind of experiment (like a biodome of some kind). It was created some tens of thousands of years ago (not 4 billion), and will end very soon. This Earth, and the canopy of luminaries placed directly above it make up our entire known universe.

I pray that you can wake up to understand the depth of the Luciferian deception, before it is too late.

(https://i.imgur.com/3MjWKw0.jpg)


Salam.. :peace:







Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Noon waalqalami on January 19, 2019, 02:57:05 PM
55:33 O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority

peace, read carefully talks about ?possibility? of crossing realms ...

55:33 ىمعشر O assembly الجن the jinn والانس and the humanity ان if استطعتم are able you ان that تنفذوا pass ye of من from/of اقطار boundaries السموت the skies (heavenly/celestial realms) والارض and the land فانفذوا so pass ye of لا not تنفذون thou passing الا except بسلطن with authority 55:34 فباى so in which الا favors ربكما lord yours dual تكذبان thou deny dual (the jinn and the humanity) 55:35 ىرسل sended علىكما upon you dual شواظ flame من of نار fire ونحاس and smoke فلا so not تنتصران defend dual

Not about flying rockets/satellites in our sky (realm) at varying speeds and altitudes e.g. weather satellites 36,000 kilometers up (22,370 miles) takes about 24 hours to orbit likewise one can easily verify per 17:36 and view the international space station in their city/location which looks like a star moving overhead.

https://spotthestation.nasa.gov/sightings/index.cfm

says mountains will keep the earth  from moving

again read carefully ...

21:30 اولم do they not ىر see الذىن the ones كفروا reject they of ان anna (i.e. ?an inna?/that indeed) السموت l-samāwāti/the skies (heavenly/celestial realms) والارض wal-arḍa/and the land كانتا be dual رتقا sewn of ففتقنهما so ripped we them dual وجعلنا and made we of من from الما the water كل every شى thing حى live افلا then so not ىومنون believing 21:31 وجعلنا and made we of فى in الارض the land روسى firm peaks ان an/that تمىد shake بهم with them وجعلنا and made we of فىها therein فجاجا wide/ravine of سبلا paths of لعلهم perhaps they ىهتدون guided being 21:32 وجعلنا and made we of السما l-samāa/the sky (our realm) سقفا roof of محفوظا safeguard of وهم and they عن about اىتها signs its معرضون who away turning 21:33 وهو and he الذى the one خلقا creation of للىل the night والنهار and the daytime والشمس and the sun والقمر and the moon كل every (i.e. all -- the sky/our realm, and the land/earth, night, day, sun, moon, etc.) فى in فلك ship/orbit ىسبحون sailing/floating

(http://d1jqu7g1y74ds1.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/tumblr_mj0vvcqnZx1qdlh1io1_400.gif)

likewise, other realms exist and planets ?like? earth ...

41:12 فقضاهن so he completed them سبع sabʿa/seven (7) سموت samāwātin/skies (heavenly/celestial realms) فى in ىومىن days (epochs) two واوحى and inspires فى in كل every/each سما samāin/sky (heavenly/celestial realm) امرها directive its وزىنا and adorn we of السما l-samāa/the sky الدنىا l-dun'yā/the world بمصابىح with lamps وحفظا and guard of ذلك such تقدىر decree العزىز the mighty العلىم the knower

65:12 الله the god الذى the one خلق creation سبع seven (7) سموت samāwātin/skies (heavenly/celestial realms) ومن and of الارض l-arḍi/the land/earth مثلهن similitude them ىتنزل descended الامر the directive بىنهن between them لتعلموا to know ye of ان that الله the god على on كل every شى thing قدىر supreme وان and that الله the god قد hence احاط encompasses بكل in every شى thing علما aware of

 
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: jkhan on January 19, 2019, 06:14:05 PM
https://youtu.be/vu-6wWvUyIw

Here is the real scenario of the earth from real people.... It's that what the earth look like in which nwq brought... That's so scary...
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 19, 2019, 11:50:42 PM
FLAT earth = magic

interpretation of their magic in forum.

the only topic in which (invisible) members from nowhere suddenly come and start giving comments in favour of flat earth.

my ADVISE make some fake accounts in which a member talk against flat earth.

in this way its SAFE to trick and making people fool.
but i just relaised ( intelligence) is the big issue for them.

i wonder i encounter a memeber once and he said u r believing in the math of athiest with respect to flat earth and i find out math can also b athiest lmao  :rotfl:

i also suggest people to make a special section for flat earth atleast the comedy/entertainent will b continue.

my fav threads are on flat earth.i m just waiting for one explaination from them same like we wait for the next series of our fav show. so i will be chilling when i have a version of ecplise in FE model i wish somebody brillaint in flatearth community will come and tell us about it.

God bless u all
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: ibn_a on January 20, 2019, 02:44:56 AM
Salaam,



....

(https://i.imgur.com/3MjWKw0.jpg)


Salam.. :peace:

Peace Blue_Lobster

A dome is in contradiction with:

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/51/47/default.htm
.
And it is We who have built the universe with [Our creative] power; and, verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it.

wal-samāa banaynāhā bi-aydin wa-innā lamūsiʿūn

وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ



والله اعلم
Allah knows best.


Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: huruf on January 20, 2019, 03:15:08 AM
Salaam,



Peace Blue_Lobster

A dome is in contradiction with:

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/51/47/default.htm
.
And it is We who have built the universe with [Our creative] power; and, verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it.

wal-samāa banaynāhā bi-aydin wa-innā lamūsiʿūn

وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ



والله اعلم
Allah knows best.


Well said.


Also, this dome over a discoidal slice is belied every day by the many flights that go distances which are in agreement with an approximately spherical Earth but not with a discoidal earth. Also, when flying from certian places, like int he southern hemisphere, the sight of sea all the time would show that the traject is consistent with spherical earth but not with a discoidal earth if travel times are born in mind.

I guess the next interesting invention for flat earthers might be the ball that is a slice. Football might become a real frency.

Salaam
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: jkhan on January 20, 2019, 03:33:16 AM
Salaam,



Peace Blue_Lobster

A dome is in contradiction with:

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/51/47/default.htm
.
And it is We who have built the universe with [Our creative] power; and, verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it.

wal-samāa banaynāhā bi-aydin wa-innā lamūsiʿūn

وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ



والله اعلم
Allah knows best.


Peace ibn
Is that what is the meaning of musiun ... Then 51:48 does it say mahidun means steadily spreading....
Expanders and Spreaders.... Does it mean keep on doing it or done or performers of such activities....
Even I prefer an answer from lobster... But these topics are discussed in this very topic and even other off topics..
It's God's will even the off topics gets life ...
God guide us
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on January 20, 2019, 06:29:02 AM
Peace  Blue_Lobster.
I have seen all that jazz about "waking up" and who is really in charge and so on...
It has nothing to do with the shape of the earth. You ,me or them cannot change the shape of the earth. It is what GOD made it to be.
 Just like"Yukawwiru" is an Arabic word that ,try as we may ,we can never change its real meaning also. It means "roll over" from the word "Kora" which is a ball.
Yukawwiru something largely means roll something. Bottom line one cannot"yukawwiru" something if it does not involved moving it around!
No use of answering your long post with jazzed up pictures. All has been answered here befoore. Check the threads about the shape of earth, there are many.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Blue_Lobster on January 20, 2019, 11:52:52 AM
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Peace Blue_Lobster

A dome is in contradiction with:

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/51/47/default.htm
.
And it is We who have built the universe with [Our creative] power; and, verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it.

wal-samāa banaynāhā bi-aydin wa-innā lamūsiʿūn

وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ



This is one of the failed attempts to make the Koran a rubber stamp for what the Luciferian priests are pushing.

This word "mūsiʿūn"  which is related to "wasiʿ", does not necessarily mean an actual expansion or increase in dimension. You can confirm by doing a search of other places in the Koran where it appears. Make use of the search engine, and your own logic. Pickthall is not better than you.

For example, I will use the Freeminds own translation of some ayat to show you:

2:236 - There is no sin upon you if you divorce the women before having sexual intercourse with them, or before setting the dowry for them. Let them have recompense, the rich according to his means, and the poor according to his means. A recompense in goodness, a responsibility for the good doers.

They translated the Arabic word "mūsiʿ", which is the singular form of "mūsiʿūn" as being "rich".

Maybe it would make more accurate sense to say that ""mūsiʿ" denotes he who has high capability or capacity? (versus he who has limited capability or capacity).

2:286 - God does not burden a soul except with what it can bear.


We can see in this verse that "wisʿaha" is also derivation of "wisʿ /mūsiʿ", and  again it's shown in the context of capacity.

Or how about this one:

20:98 -  Surely your god is God; for which there is no god except He. His knowledge encompasses all things.

It says that the knowledge of God "wasiʿ" all things. Does it mean that His knowledge expands or increases in dimension to fit everything? Or was it so from the very beginning?

So again, the context is more about capability than an increase in size / dimensions.

Now, if we go back to the verse that you quoted, and read it in this same context, we can see it is more accurately describing the capability of God. For Him, the sky is easily within his capacity (wasaʿ) to construct.

One thing I am curious about: why did Pickthall (or whoever translated the verse) replace the word "sama" (heaven / sky) with "universe"?? Do I smell an intentional corruption here? Is the verse talking about the construction ("bana / bunyan") of the ceiling above us? Or is it the imaginary Luciferian "universe" of billions and trillions?

The Koran never speaks about a "universe" the way NASA portrays. It speaks of "Ardh" (Earth), that is the great expanse on which this reality is unfolding, and above it is raised a physical ceiling, described as a "bunyan" (construction) of some kind. The Koran also speaks of "samawat" (plural: heavens), constructed one above the other, in layers ("tibaqan").

So, as you see, the "endless universe" of the evolved monkeys does not fit with the Koran's model of intelligent, purposeful creation.

Therefore, "wa-innā lamūsiʿūn" is not about the "expansion" of a big bang universe. The subject of this adjective is God Himself, and his all-encompassing CAPABILITY / CAPACITY to construct this canopy over the Earth.

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I guess the next interesting invention for flat earthers might be the ball that is a slice. Football might become a real frency.

This is the typical mockery from those who don't understand the Earth Realm model. Of course, the Earth isn't "flat" in the literal sense. There are valleys and mountains and canyons...So the "Planar Realm" is the more accurate description. It is not a thin, disk world with an edge that you can fall off, floating in "the vacuum of space", as you seem to think.

Maybe you?re thinking of something like this?

(https://i.imgur.com/uEjas8v.jpg)

The Bible is very accurate in its description of the Earth being established over the floods and the Great Deep, when the Spirit of God floated above the waters. This is the primal ocean that was before time. The same was mentioned in the ancient Sumerian tablets. Also, the Koran speaks of the dominion of God (?arsh) being over water (as in 11:7). Afterwards, the Earth was anchored to the waters of the Great Deep, which are very saline, by means of mountains, acting like pegs.

(https://i.imgur.com/jhalcNi.jpg)


Also, there are two types of water which fall to Earth. There is the rain, which comes from clouds, and there is the deluge or catastrophic torrents that destroy entire civilizations, like the kind that happened during age of Noah. This second type doesn't come from clouds. It comes from the floodgates of the solid sky, meaning the LITERAL doors, plus the explosion of fountains from the Earth itself. This is beautifully described in 54:11,12.

So there is a solid structure above us with doors in it.  :)

Typically, the generations of today will mock this truth, just as it was mocked before, when the Messenger relayed it to his people. Remember what they said? "Oh, we heard this all before! It's all found in the writings of the ancients. He is just repeating them...bla...bla...". Nothing new under the sun.


(https://i.imgur.com/Ti6pmmY.jpg)


The reality is that Earth was established over the saline waters of the Great Deep. It's not a disk floating in an imaginary "vacuum".

(https://i.imgur.com/AnwtJ9E.jpg)

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Also, this dome over a discoidal slice is belied every day by the many flights that go distances which are in agreement with an approximately spherical Earth but not with a discoidal earth

Putting aside the mockery of the "discoidal" earth, I will say that until you YOURSELF confirm these flights by actually booking one, going on the airplane, and documenting the entire trip from departure to arrival, you have no proof. All these clowns who are going on the internet and claiming direct flights across the southern hemisphere have been proven to be shills. If airliners could make even ONE direct trip per week from Argentina to Australia, why have 500 others that go up to Los Angeles for a "transit stop" on the way? How stupid do they think we are?

Good luck booking a ticket.

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Yukawwiru something largely means roll something. Bottom line one cannot"yukawwiru" something if it does not involved moving it around!

So, at the end of time, the sun will ROLL OVER.

Okay, whatever you say.  :D

Good bye.





Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: huruf on January 20, 2019, 01:39:33 PM
Musi3 is active participle of Form IV verb which is to cause or made do something,  that is the effect of form IV, so if the Form I means to be wide, form IV means to widen, to make wide, and is something is already wide, must forcibly to make it wider.

Therefore, no matter how it is translated, nobody can prevent the form IV of the verb to mean to expand, because that is its reason for being in form IV.

There are other words to mean rich, if in the Qur'an in that aya 236, it has been used, it may well be because the idea is that yes those with capability expand their generosity and give generously and that the one that is stingy will give with more stinginess.

I will not answer all the comments about the different drawings, I made my comments concerning a particular one, and no mater how many illustrations you draw, you cannot override what I wrote about fying distances and duration of flights, because thousands of people take them every day and the time they take are the times given. Clocks do not lie. miles do not lie. And people do not go to Los angeles to go from from Peru to New Zealand. I am sorry it is you qho is taking from internet those travels from Argentina to Australia through Los Angeles. May be people who want to go to Los Angeles will do that, but most certainly and assuredly and undoubtedlyu not those who want to reach Australia from Argentina or vice versa in the shortest time and to the least expense.

There are daily flights from south america to New Zealand and Australia and the islands in between. The timetables are all there functionning every day and they take the time they take, not the time to go from  South america to Los angeles and from there to Australia or New Zealand. I have not taken the trip myself, but I know plenty of people who would laugh their hearts out hearing or reading such fantasies.

Also from Qur'an aya
51.47

وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ ﴿٤٧﴾

And this is the translation by Arberry which you may like, but which also shows that he goes trough a lot of pain to translate that IV form active participle, because in his time and in his culture there was not even the fantasy that the universe might be expanding, if he had known that he would not have suffered so much to give a proper turn to the sentence.



Salaam
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: huruf on January 20, 2019, 03:22:10 PM

Air New Zealand
Compa??a: Air New Zealand
23:55 - 05:25 +2 d?as
Buenos Aires (EZE) a Auckland (AKL)
Pistarini, Buenos Aires (EZE) a Auckland Airport, Auckland (AKL)
Maleta facturada incluida
Maleta facturada incluida
13 h 30 min
Duraci?n del viaje: 13 h 30 min
Sin escalas
Air New Zealand
Compa??a: Air New Zealand
20:15 - 15:55
Auckland (AKL) a Buenos Aires (EZE)
Auckland Airport, Auckland (AKL) a Pistarini, Buenos Aires (EZE)
Maleta facturada incluida
Maleta facturada incluida
11 h 40 min
Duraci?n del viaje: 11 h 40 min
Sin escalas
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 20, 2019, 03:33:12 PM
actually once a person took a flight from New zeland to argentina
flight was late as well as customs checkup and then traffic finally he reached home.

his wife asked him where u been ? he said my LOVE  earth is flat thats y it took me more time than expected.

so the person who was spying husband n wife was the first one who discovered the lies of airlines.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: jkhan on January 20, 2019, 10:26:21 PM


Good luck booking a ticket.

So, at the end of time, the sun will ROLL OVER.

Okay, whatever you say.  :D

Good bye.


Oh no... Did you say Goodbye..... is it for good... :( wish you share your insights again...
God bless you
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: ibn_a on January 23, 2019, 02:45:42 AM
Salaam,




...

This word "mūsiʿūn"  which is related to "wasiʿ", does not necessarily mean an actual expansion or increase in dimension. You can confirm by doing a search of other places in the Koran where it appears. Make use of the search engine, and your own logic. Pickthall is not better than you.

...

Peace Blue_Lobster,

It also has this meaning of expansion and fits in the the context.

http://lisaan.net/search/%D9%84%D9%8E%D9%85%D9%8F%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%90%D8%B9%D9%8F%D9%88%D9%86%D9%8E?cat=50



...

This is how night and day work on our fixed, Earth Realm:

(https://i.imgur.com/R02KzEZ.jpg)
...

Salam.. :peace:


How do you apply this verse in this model?

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/36/38/default.htm

And the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.

Waalshshamsu tajree limustaqarrin laha thalika taqdeeru alAAazeezi alAAaleemi

وَالشَّمْسُ تَجْرِي لِمُسْتَقَرٍّ لَّهَا ذَٰلِكَ تَقْدِيرُ الْعَزِيزِ الْعَلِيمِ




والله اعلم
Allah knows best.


Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Blue_Lobster on January 23, 2019, 09:26:55 AM
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It also has this meaning of expansion and fits in the the context.

Not so.

We need to be aware of the basics of grammar and the Quranic style of expression.

If the text intends to imply an expansion of the sky, I think the correct term it would have used is:

إنا لموسعوها

So, the last suffix attached to the word is the feminine "ha" which links the verb to the sky. In plain English, it would be translated as: "And we will expand it".

But this is not the case, is it? We have only  إنا لموسعون

In my book, this is referring to God, not to the sky. So basically, it is saying: "The construction of the sky (ceiling) is verily within our capability / capacity".

Any Arabic speakers here to verify this?


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How do you apply this verse in this model?

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/36/38/default.htm

And the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.


Setting aside the meaning of "mustaqarrin" in the Arabic text, it is very clear that the SUN is the object of the motion. How did you deduce from this ayah that the Earth you're on is in motion?

Fact remains that there is not any sign, clue, or even hint in the Quran that we live on a moving planet.

Now, the photo I posted is simplified, and intends only to convey how a small, locally illuminating sun can easily create night/day cycle on a fixed and motionless world. In reality, the  motion of the sun is more complex, as it follows a pre-programmed path of widening and tightening orbits, which gives rise to the seasons.  When the sun moves away from the magnetic north (the center of the plane) and over to the outer rim regions (Australia, South America, South Africa), it actually speeds up, in order to have the day remain at 24 hours. This is why those who live in those regions experience more erratic changes between night and day and generally more extreme weather patterns than those living in the inner regions closer to the north pole.

The motion of the sun is easily explained by electro-magnetism (not the philosophical, occult and unproven force of "gravity").

It is easy to reproduce such a motion in a lab, by having a magnetic disk float and spin circles around a magnetic center.

(https://i.imgur.com/6GkMocB.jpg)


Here's a short clip of the experiment shown in front of a live audience:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9OTL-5eLT0


So it is easy for people to accept that humans can create this effect in a lab, but if we tell them that GOD made the sun move this way, immediately they frown and discredit it as craziness?

This is a kind of hypocrisy, in my book.

 :peace:


Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on January 23, 2019, 09:51:00 AM
Peace

This نا لموسعوها would be wrong  as it will imply all the  "sama" is expanding including the planets, stars...etc
The fact is that only distances between galaxies are expanding. i.e  Galaxies are moving away from each other. So the correct  usage of "Lamusiun" implies something within the Samaa is expanding which is true..

GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: jkhan on January 24, 2019, 02:13:13 AM
Oh you curious one?. Is the eclipse that is a barrier for you to decide in between stationary earth and sphere earth? Then you better ask from God why not explained it in quran?. Does quran talk about how the eclipses happen? NO?. Does quran talk about moon and sun? Yes? how many times ? Many a time.. right.. but why no explanation of how eclipses happen? May be God doesn?t know? and had He explained the truth, the same curious people would have found fault in it compared with what is available now with NASA and would have twisted the words to nourish NASA?So who are we to explain it how it happens? all explanations are just explanations of very few personnel.. Eclipses are predicted if not 100 per cent at least to certain extent by many ancient communities ? you can search it ? in the case of ancient Indians they even knew the date of eclipses to sacrifice human babies for certain worldly pleasures and treasures?somehow they knew? But quran is absolutely devoid of it.. not only quran so called Israelite books even the book Veda not explained manifestly how eclipse happen.. All these books teach One God and mentioned many miraculous discoveries, but not eclipse? may be just to trap those who disbelieve ..
It is like the obstinate approach of someone if you explain eclipses only we will believe in God?. Or If you explain how Tsunami happen we will believe or If you explain what is the distance to the sun from earth only we will believe.. just mentally ill? What you know and what you have learned in college about eclipse, we also have learned.... we only talk about the earth and the heaven and not how God created stars and how stars get it?s light how sun gets it?s light? these are to be researched and many more and even we research we wont be able to compare it with quran coz we don?t find details of those? just deal with what is available in quran..and all other researches of Flat earthers or Globe is just research  ? But God?s verses are very clear that EARTH is not spinning crap..For that we don?t need to go beyond what He has explained in quran?. Going beyond quran is just researches and researches always may vary with new researches.. but absolute truth remains..
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Sultan Brandon on January 24, 2019, 05:47:26 AM
Simple scientific proof that the surface of the earth is concave and not an sphere:

1.  The surface of bodies of water like lakes and the ocean are always flat including water that we pour into containers.  If the earth were a sphere then the surface of the ocean would have to bend around the outside and there isn't a single experiment to demonstrate that which means its an unscientific delusion that contradicts the physics of water.  And if you claim that gravity is making it do that then that's a false belief and the fact remains.  Otherwise, show us with an experiment that a static body of water can reside on the outside of a sphere but we already know you'd be wasting your time because that's irrational and impossible. 

2.  We can see objects across the flat surface of the ocean at distances that would put those objects below the horizon if the earth was curved.  One short example is the Rogers Center across Lake Ontario which is 30 miles across and would produce a 455 drop according to earth curve calculators.  The Rogers Center is only 282 feet tall and we can observe the entire building.  So either we're looking at the actual object, which is the simplest and most rational explanation, or we're viewing an illusionary city that's floating over 600 feet in the middle of the air that's magically aligned with the horizon.  The former is reality while the later contradicts occam's razor and is nothing but a desperate attempt that insane people use to try and deny the obvious.

3.  Globe theorists believe that the earth is spinning over a thousand miles per hour and the atmosphere is spinning with it.  Except once you reach a certain altitude then there is no atmosphere and the earth would appear to spin rapidly below us, but it doesn't do that according to videos of high altitude aircraft and simple logic.  Nor is the air, and especially lighter gasses like helium, dense enough to push those objects to keep up with it.  And they couldn't change directions without facing the speed of those winds.

These simple facts are more than enough to prove that the spinning globe theory is unscientific and false and that the surface of the earth is relatively concave and stationary to contain the water with edges higher than the center at minimum.  Not to mention mountains of other evidence.  So anyone who still denies this is delusional and and not worth arguing with.

In the name of God, the All-Mighty, the Merciful
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

88:17 Will they not look at the camels, how were they created?

88:18 And to the sky, how was it raised?

88:19 And to the mountains, how were they set?

88:20 And to the land, how was it flattened?

31:10 He created the sky without pillars that you can see. And He cast onto the earth stabilizers so that it would not tumble with you, and He spread on it all kinds of creatures. And We sent down water from the sky, thus We caused to grow all kinds of good plants.

16:11 He brings forth with it the vegetation and the olives and the palm trees and the grapes, and of all the fruits; in that are signs for a people who think.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zach on January 24, 2019, 07:34:43 AM
Peace Flat-Earthers,

Oleg Artemyev.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on January 24, 2019, 07:36:54 AM
Peace Sultan Brandon.
Your points revisited:
1- All the water molecules on earth are curving(pulled by gravity )towards the centre of the earth. Water takes the shape of the cup or jug or the earth...etc You are looking at shorter distances so it appears flat to you.

2- You can detect the curve of the Earth from ground level at the coast with a pair of binoculars ? just look for distant ships on the horizon and you?ll see that their hulls start to disappear before their masts and other superstructure. Ancient Greek scientists, who spotted this without any optical aids, used this to conclude that the Earth was round.

3- You (and I) are moving at the same speed as the Earth, so we can't feel it move.
But why?
Everything in the universe rotates on its own axis, which is an invisible straight line that runs through an object from one end to the other. We call our ends the North Pole and the South Pole. Earth rotates around this axis, just like a spinning top. It takes 24 hours to rotate one time. One rotation equals one day! Every morning when you wake up, the Earth is in the very same place. It starts a whole new spin as you start a brand new day.
The Earth travels at a constant rate, which means it doesn?t speed up or slow down like a car does. Just like with the car window, we can only tell we?re spinning because we can see the Moon orbit around us, and what seems to be the movement of the Sun and stars. (Really, they move too slowly for us to see.) If Earth were suddenly to change speeds, we would feel a really big jolt. It would be like a driver slamming on the car brakes.

God is rolling the night over the day really? How do you suppose we get night and day then?
Any way already discussed before all the points you are making.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 24, 2019, 08:14:16 AM

Does quran talk about how the eclipses happen? NO


 :elektro:


May be God doesn?t know?


 :o may b lol




Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Sultan Brandon on January 24, 2019, 09:30:48 AM
وعليكم السلام good logic

1.  The surface of a body of water is always flat and it does't take the shape of the bottom or sides of the container.  This can be replicated and proven with simple experiments and its also obvious; unlike the theory of the ocean covering a sphere.  Otherwise, I challenge you to provide an experiment that demonstrates that theory (nobody can because that's not how water behaves).  A waterfall, which may curve downwards is falling off the edge, unlike the ocean, and is flat in other parts of the river that its not falling off something even while its flowing. 

(You're also claiming something I already addressed: that you believe gravity is causing the ocean to curve around a sphere.  But that theory is unscientific and unrealistic until you can demonstrate it with an experiment like we can with a cup shape or concave container.  And it contradicts what we observe with every body of water.)

2.  The hulls of ships look like they disappear due to refraction because the evaporation density is greater near the surface similar to a mirage.  Here's video proof of an airplane on a solid surface with the same effect (notice how close it is too):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuYfJJttkXI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuYfJJttkXI).  If it was behind the horizon then there would be no reflection from the evaporating water.  Also, we can see entire objects across long distances, even 30 miles at minimum like my original example which proves there is no curvature because they would be thousands of miles below the horizon.

3.  I'm not talking about standing on the surface.  I mentioned the atmosphere and objects flying through it that you didn't address.  And there's a model for how the sun, moon, and poles work on a cup shape, concave, or flat earth surface.  But this isn't an entire "flat earth" lesson because that would be way too lengthy and all that information can be found online.  The purpose of my reply is only to prove with science, logic and facts that the surface of the earth isn't a sphere.

Either way there's no animosity between us.  May the greatest blessings of God be upon you.  Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 24, 2019, 09:52:02 AM
No need for all that. Just answer one simple post:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607515.msg368077#msg368077

Everyone who has claimed flat earth has ran away from answering. Your turn?

YOUR TURN. @ FLATEARTHER. i doubt you even read the first reply of this thread ?

and one bonus question ECLIPSE ?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 24, 2019, 10:02:27 AM
number of fake accounts in this SINGLE thread are as follows.

Sabrinasaidso
hansolo
hanslan
Alper88
Blue_Lobster
Amino66

 the data of first three pages out of 29 pages of this thread..

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Sultan Brandon on January 24, 2019, 10:04:01 AM
YOUR TURN. @ FLATEARTHER. i doubt you even read the first reply of this thread ?

and one bonus question ECLIPSE ?

Who are you talking to?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on January 24, 2019, 10:13:22 AM
Peace Sultan Brandon.
Where did you do this? Quote:

 The purpose of my reply is only to prove with science, logic and facts that the surface of the earth isn't a sphere.

Which surface? Or  do you mean the shape of the whole earth? I have not seen any of your proof? Or do you mean your links?

Please read the threads on flat earth again.  We will be wasting time going through your points again .
I am saving you time and effort.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Sultan Brandon on January 24, 2019, 10:28:19 AM
Peace Sultan Brandon.
Where did you do this? Quote:

 The purpose of my reply is only to prove with science, logic and facts that the surface of the earth isn't a sphere.

Which surface? Or  do you mean the shape of the whole earth? I have not seen any of your proof? Or do you mean your links?

Please read the threads on flat earth again.  We will be wasting time going through your points again .
I am saving you time and effort.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

وعليكم السلام

My comment that you replied to with the three proofs I presented.

The surface of the earth that we live on that contains the lakes, ocean, mountains, animals, plants, land, rivers, etc because the top could still be shaped like a dome.

I don't need to read any threads because i'm educated enough subject and the proofs I presented are more than sufficient.

May God bless you as well.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 24, 2019, 10:37:03 AM
Who are you talking to?

did i write in alien language ?

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on January 24, 2019, 10:53:34 AM
Peace Sultan Brandon.
They may be your proofs, but they are certainly not my proofs.
I do not need to send you biased links and say they are my proofs like you did. However I am going to ask you two questions:
1- How does night and day happen on earth and why the time zones exist?
For example if you had friends in every part of the world ask them what time is their sunrise and sunset and see how the night "rolls over" the day due to  our earth spinning.
Just like Qoran puts it: "Yukawwiru Al Lyel Ala Nahar..."

2- The question about "Eclipses" that brothers wakas and Imran put out here ,of course you can go ahead and give us your answer to it.

GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Zach on January 25, 2019, 03:43:55 PM
Peace Flat-Earthers,

Can someone give me an explanation for Oleg Artemyev (https://www.youtube.com/user/OlegMKS) please?

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/VJngDAYQvOnrElyLQlTk_OGM6hJeR0kVOSqYlJgSUYrpfNNfYQLonXHARUurK09EW7y4vuVszN9BXKx81iH0gQdF3tORtvFZoZD3xfu-BpcKcjKuReq0egznHjeiOfN092KvqTt81YWLPhOQ5mRKbZMDREW5FBHFkWd12dTZQUvMUhZCpDuYZdIY7Q3kMz0cf18BLamOi5ORBpyR9lw-t8YL_TKnqudFEnla0AQa9PJRc419512ZCLeu7o3hYMnNHSxqQWke29x_iHtHY2tpouiGCT7Q7EaV7I3BjpOLjl4078Tc8mktCzPLVY7FvKtE28Vdoz2oer7pVj1W1gm_JMFHyu5H2J1hhaQiDw2pnYCk87v-YA1yJ1Pd1LnWenkJ-uvyoWbcYjfAVUBP4SLfpxrKgPJ7eoz3rD-xPiJkNzbSXX-XcUm344Zg5R2efsknaEXU1XsbWG3dbPTGXvhdVznfqUp-Qy9dTBmR3P3JEJoZCtZRAMH2ANOXvDgEXgfqII9IkLbRnw-Dn3scsBdmWaHAQNTi0GPc1OsiQLYDRiP98byHGgvPmkj98Ocmi9jQ4MZUrmdnNRfzdKJE8MQZtzKEu17IIY7sJ1Ucw--swhiR_o3GKeS8G2GzDpvjERd7U-6XE7BnA6JkSYrt4ncbWMid6ggqM0VpBafq71Eoq20Qh-u-NtuuuZ-KJHW83zcfVKhOFlQp-s0_1_wWLg=w400-h224-no)
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: jkhan on January 25, 2019, 07:15:40 PM
https://youtu.be/8WXVV2WAgPI

Nice video... Interesting point starts @ min 9:45 onwards...
It was a concern for GL as well.... Just look at the accepted Globe Map and see from one side what are the countries which is hidden for you... So apply the same to Sun coz sunlight won't  curve and reach around the ball...

https://youtu.be/JONq8eqzQ9g

This link I like... @min 3 onwards.. I love the kids.. Is that a movie.. If so anyone know the name of the movie....
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: jkhan on January 26, 2019, 11:29:07 PM
https://youtu.be/0KLd-W--ZjQ

World time and world round map
Just workout the times of destination of world... I worked one for you...
Adelaide a place once in my life time visited and the sun sets today  08:27 at the same time in my current location which is subcontinent 5 hours difference.. Rest of the location in this research I calculated according to Google Search accept my place and Adelaide where my cousin around.. So I confirmed with him... Then comes to sao Paulo, Brazil.. Sun rises @ 6:42 am... When Sao Paulo reaches 6:42 am sun rise, the time in Adelaide is hardly just past 7 pm... Still more 1.5 hours left for the sun to be set. 
So this period from Adelaide Australia most of Asia midle east Africa and entire Europe is day including Sao Paulo...
Now anyone take Google Earth and rotate your well accepted ball and see whether Sao Paulo to Adelaide you can take to one side of the earth... No way... Coz one side of the earth is always lit and other in darkness that's the teaching of NASA.... And that's what most of those in this forum believe... So do your own research and find out what is your belief.. And see...
It makes sense for me unless otherwise anyone bring proof to it... Whatever  you do with the ball rotate it spin it tilt it... You won't get it...
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: good logic on January 27, 2019, 04:13:00 AM
Peace jkhan.
Look here:
Related Time Zone Tools
Personal World Clock
Meeting Planner
Event Time Announcer ? Show local times worldwide for your event.
And one of these:
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/

These are calculated around the earth spin and movement with amazing accuracy. Mathematics at its best.Surely solid proof for sun /earth motions.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 27, 2019, 01:38:21 PM
FLAT earth = magic

interpretation of their magic in forum.

the only topic in which (invisible) members from nowhere suddenly come and start giving comments in favour of flat earth.

my ADVISE make some fake accounts in which a member talk against flat earth.

in this way its SAFE to trick and making people fool.
but i just relaised ( intelligence) is the big issue for them.

i wonder i encounter a memeber once and he said u r believing in the math of athiest with respect to flat earth and i find out math can also b athiest lmao  :rotfl:

i also suggest people to make a special section for flat earth atleast the comedy/entertainent will b continue.

my fav threads are on flat earth.i m just waiting for one explaination from them same like we wait for the next series of our fav show. so i will be chilling when i have a version of ecplise in FE model i wish somebody brillaint in flatearth community will come and tell us about it.

God bless u all

my wish fullfilled lol.

coincidence or magic ? i predicted it on 19 of 2019.

the only funny explaination by flat earth members used MAGIC in the explanation of eclipses. wao i m amazed.

point to b noted my LORD.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Sultan Brandon on January 28, 2019, 12:34:04 AM
imrankhawaja is arrogant and hypocritically stupid and the reason why threads like this devolve into nonsense instead of reasonable discussion is because of people like him.

Eclipses are caused by a dark celestial body that many cultures recognized and refer to as Rahu with plenty of evidence if you looked.

So the admins might as well lock this thread because it will go nowhere and the people who want to know the truth can research it for themselves while anyone who wants to cling to the globe theory delusion can do so.  Especially since nobody has even tried to refute my three original proofs while attempting to do that would be in vain because you'd have to deny the most basic physics and logic like the actual behavior of water.

In the name of God, the All-Mighty, the Merciful
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

8:22 The worst creatures with God are the deaf and dumb who do not comprehend.

16:23 Certainly, God knows what they hide and what they reveal. He does not like the arrogant.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 28, 2019, 02:42:36 AM


Eclipses are caused by a dark celestial body.


In the name of God, the All-Mighty, the Merciful
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

8:22 The worst creatures with God are the deaf and dumb who do not comprehend.
 ( Flat earth people ). for more details see their stupidity in this forum.

16:23 Certainly, God knows what they hide and what they reveal. He does not like the arrogant. (arrogance & punisment of their arrogance is witnessed here at this forum more than 10 times)

RED so thats how u will crack solar eclipse in FE model ?  :elektro:


NOTE your wish of THREAD locking aahhhh.  :nope:

coz round earth people are experienced now they dnt get arrogant and emotional although u fakers tried ur best to provoke people so that thread get close. reason is every single post what shows defeat of ur femodel gives u horrible memories. so before that fakers use to come and get engagge in flithy discussion as soon they see they have no more moves.
but this time the thread reached more than 30 pages so thats why u are amazed ?

its a record now which is beautified by the deafeat of flat earthers (eclipse vs magic).

there is option if OP request admins to close this thread. but its ok we we will not tease more. as expected u r in the line of failures who run away from giving simple answers. live with it now lol.

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Sultan Brandon on January 28, 2019, 03:31:03 AM
I don't care if the thread is locked.  The result is equal either way.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 28, 2019, 01:16:09 PM
I don't care if the thread is locked.  The result is equal either way.

TRUE becoz THREAD served its purpose and Flat earthers have eclipse on their defeat.

lets have a littlebit FAREWELL poetry lol

?al ardh a flatun ?

flat earthers have been defeated.
they have been defeated on LOW and HIGH threads.
after their defeat they will get defeat again in coming three to TEN threads.
upon their defeat round earthers will b rejoicing.

30:5 By God?s Help. For, He gives victory according to His laws. And He is Exalted in Might, Most Merciful.

poetry here is performing 3 important functions.

recent and future defeats of FLAT earther.
HINT to someone.
and farewell GIFT for this thread.

finally we have a thread closing in PEACE as we know all memebers of flatearth get crumbled within the hands of globers. lol

 :group: love u all
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: quincy on January 28, 2019, 02:16:35 PM
Defeated? What? You cant defeat the Truth. The only day the Sun and the Moon will fuse, is on the judgement day. The Sun doesnt outrun the Moon, the same as the night doesnt outrun the day. Are we reading the same scripture? All of the globeheads theories can be described differently. Only because mainstream science dictates HOW to define science doesnt make it the ACTUAL science. This modern civilization is brought to you by the worst kind of people, machines without hearts. To turn everyone else into carbon copies of themselves, consumer drones, obedient workers and tax payers. People are dying of obesity while in other parts of the world they are dying of starvation. Can you see the imbalance? Greedy bankers. These people have everything which defines Iblees himself. Narcissistic scum which needs to be burned in hell.

I will pray for my Brothers and Sisters, because we are family and i love all of you. Especially those who are suffering under this satanic system. May THE GOD most high punish the wicked and give authority to the gifted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCWravEFb5U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCWravEFb5U)
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: hawk99 on January 28, 2019, 05:12:10 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c7/Michael_Jordan_crying.jpg) I feel pity for the Muslim flat earth people.
                                                                                 
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 28, 2019, 06:46:57 PM
aww bless him.
he really looks upset. lol
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 29, 2019, 03:49:35 AM

May THE GOD most high punish the wicked and give authority to the gifted.


This modern civilization is brought to you by the worst kind of people, machines without hearts.


GREEN.

HE already did it specially when galilieo case happened it appears the death of religious cunts are very near.

THEY had authority and they misused their authority.
hence LAW and cause & effect applied there.

columbus discover america.

Now the tables are turned.

globe earth people are lovely due to which God let them discover lot of other things with the help of those things globe become a proven fact.

at this time there are still stupids if we go by the LAW what they applied at galileo then u all will get hanged or we push you from top of HILL so that u feel gravity  :elektro: but we are not threat to flat fakers. we are cool and chilled.

THATS the difference between WICKED and AQIL(intellectual).

according to book FE are Kaffirs( rejector) of truth. ( proven truth) lol

even at this civilised age their attitude is barbarian/full of hate/arrogance/foolishness/weak minds/michiefmakers.

and thats why we witness their disgrace in every thread.

RED

hmm thats the favour of modern civilisation on you but you appear less appreciative using their planes, using their computer, using their internet, even for going toilet u are using their stuff. in last 500 years what did you/your nation give to world ? even flat earth stupids are using the camera what a bunch of losers.lmao

people who drink urine of cows always have problems with people who use mineral water lol
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Sultan Brandon on January 30, 2019, 07:46:41 PM
Globe theory is an atheist delusion that contradicts basic physics and science and most globe theorists are arrogant and ignorant hypocrites.  While the people who accept the scientific fact that the surface of the earth is concave to contain the water are humble, reasonable and smart. 
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 30, 2019, 08:57:45 PM


And Columbus was an evil piece of trash who raped and murdered the natives.



 :rotfl:

so thats why earth is FLAT ?

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Sultan Brandon on January 30, 2019, 10:05:49 PM
:rotfl:

so thats why earth is FLAT ?

No just pointing out your ignorance because you mentioned Columbus as if he did something good when all he did was arrive at a place where people already were then pillage them.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 30, 2019, 11:29:11 PM
aww now i understand the people who were raped and killed by columbus. are u related with them ? hahahaha now i fully understand.but whatever he discovered it was the nail in the coffin for flat earthers. i m sorry for the rape what he did with people.  :(  even if he was a rapist or killer does it change the fact ?

people who get killed by hitler and if hitler say sky is blue its mean hitler is lie.
although stupid/ignorant/foolish/half-wit/crackhead etc ( like u ) can give alternate theory by saying in night sky is not blue hence hitler  is defo  a LIE .  :elektro:
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: jkhan on January 30, 2019, 11:56:48 PM
aww now i understand the people who were raped and killed by columbus. are u related with them ? hahahaha now i fully understand.but whatever he discovered it was the nail in the coffin for flat earthers. i m sorry for the rape what he did with people.  :(  even if he was a rapist or killer does it change the fact ?

people who get killed by hitler and if hitler say sky is blue its mean hitler is lie.
although stupid/ignorant/foolish/half-wit/crackhead etc ( like u ) can give alternate theory by saying in night sky is not blue hence hitler  is defo  a LIE .  :elektro:

this is the same person supported Novice for the word of rape... now he is shamelessly and openly saying it with intent...
That's hypocrisy at best...
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610450.160
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Sultan Brandon on January 31, 2019, 05:16:46 AM
aww now i understand the people who were raped and killed by columbus. are u related with them ? hahahaha now i fully understand.but whatever he discovered it was the nail in the coffin for flat earthers. i m sorry for the rape what he did with people.  :(  even if he was a rapist or killer does it change the fact ?

people who get killed by hitler and if hitler say sky is blue its mean hitler is lie.
although stupid/ignorant/foolish/half-wit/crackhead etc ( like u ) can give alternate theory by saying in night sky is not blue hence hitler  is defo  a LIE .  :elektro:

How does traveling across a body of water prove that the surface is a sphere?  You make no sense but go ahead and "explain".  If you want to remain arrogant and keep hypocritically insulting the true believers who are smart and knowledgeable then you can do that but I warn you that you're angering الله سبحانه وتالى

Seek forgiveness from your Lord.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: kaltun on January 31, 2019, 06:06:34 AM
How does traveling across a body of water prove that the surface is a sphere?  You make no sense but go ahead and "explain".  If you want to remain arrogant and keep hypocritically insulting the true believers who are smart and knowledgeable then you can do that but I warn you that you're angering الله سبحانه وتالى

Seek forgiveness from your Lord.

Slm SB,

this is also an question to ponder on , on earth we have "gravity" and our body has been build to adjust this , this means blood is running accordingly  to the gravity ..... thus thats why if gonna stand on my head, we getting headache due to much blood to the brain orso... our organs are adaptive to this "gravity"
so the main question is , in space we dont  have same "gravity' ( actually no gravity at all) , how can our body works on place without gravity ??? i am not talking for few hours but about weeks/months ......

and how about what does small places do with human minds ..... i mean there are experiments with humans in tiny spaces for a period ... 
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Sultan Brandon on January 31, 2019, 07:09:47 AM
و عليكم السلام kaltun

I explain "gravity" here:  https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608702.msg421448#new

My question was referring to this claim by imrankhawaja:  "but whatever he discovered it was the nail in the coffin for flat earthers".  Because traveling to another piece of land doesn't demonstrate that the surface of the earth is a sphere.  So I was asking how he arrived at that conclusion.

Our body can work without "gravity" because it can still pump blood to different areas especially if there is no gravity.  And NASA is lying about going to space.  They use planes that dive to mimic zero g and harnesses to pretend that they're floating because they get billions of dollars in profit to put on magic shows for the public then spend it on their own private agendas.  You should look into it but you can start here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfkPn8oTxzU - Funny "astronauts" accomplishing nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-huF7fRlnA - "astronaut" grabs harness wire.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: kaltun on January 31, 2019, 08:09:41 AM
و عليكم السلام kaltun

I explain "gravity" here:  https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608702.msg421448#new

My question was referring to this claim by imrankhawaja:  "but whatever he discovered it was the nail in the coffin for flat earthers".  Because traveling to another piece of land doesn't demonstrate that the surface of the earth is a sphere.  So I was asking how he arrived at that conclusion.

Our body can work without "gravity" because it can still pump blood to different areas especially if there is no gravity.  And NASA is lying about going to space.  They use planes that dive to mimic zero g and harnesses to pretend that they're floating because they get billions of dollars in profit to put on magic shows for the public then spend it on their own private agendas.  You should look into it but you can start here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfkPn8oTxzU - Funny "astronauts" accomplishing nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-huF7fRlnA - "astronaut" grabs harness wire.

ASLM SB,

maybe blood yes, cause its close system  and the heart does all the work,  but i wonder what will happen on a long period... but our organs , would not work properly , like digesting food ... how will you food go to the right place if we have no gravity... how about the acid in our body aka stomach acid ?? our organs should also flow ... i dont know if this a healthy thing ....
can we reproduce our self in the space without gravity....



found this on the net :
Quote
Today?s helmets have a built-in cam which allow us to see what they?re doing up there. https://www.universetoday.com/38599/astronaut-helmet/ (https://www.universetoday.com/38599/astronaut-helmet/)
till now i didnt see any records from astronauts

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: ibn_a on January 31, 2019, 08:41:44 AM
Salaam,


Not so.

We need to be aware of the basics of grammar and the Quranic style of expression.

If the text intends to imply an expansion of the sky, I think the correct term it would have used is:

إنا لموسعوها

So, the last suffix attached to the word is the feminine "ha" which links the verb to the sky. In plain English, it would be translated as: "And we will expand it".

But this is not the case, is it? We have only  إنا لموسعون

In my book, this is referring to God, not to the sky. So basically, it is saying: "The construction of the sky (ceiling) is verily within our capability / capacity".

Any Arabic speakers here to verify this?
....


Peace Blue_Lobster,


By excluding the meaning of "expansion" you ignore different dictionaries and translations and the context where the word "لَمُوسِعُونَ  lamūsiʿūna " is used, in relation to the construction of "the heaven السَّمَاءَ ", and modern science i.e "the expansion of the Universe".

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/51/47/default.htm

http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=51&verse=47

http://lisaan.net/search/%D9%84%D9%8E%D9%85%D9%8F%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%90%D8%B9%D9%8F%D9%88%D9%86%D9%8E?cat=50

http://lisaan.net/search/%D9%84%D9%8E%D9%85%D9%8F%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%90%D8%B9%D9%8F%D9%88%D9%86%D9%8E%20%20?cat=52


The meaning of expansion seems also supported by other verses and in agreement with modern science e.g.

Big Bang theory - -> expansion of the Universe --> Big Crunch theory

 - could refer to "the Big Bang theory".
 https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/21/30/default.htm

- could refer to the "expansion of the Universe".
https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/51/47/default.htm

- could refer to "the Big Crunch theory".
https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/21/104/default.htm





...
Setting aside the meaning of "mustaqarrin" in the Arabic text, it is very clear that the SUN is the object of the motion. How did you deduce from this ayah that the Earth you're on is in motion?

Fact remains that there is not any sign, clue, or even hint in the Quran that we live on a moving planet.

Now, the photo I posted is simplified, and intends only to convey how a small, locally illuminating sun can easily create night/day cycle on a fixed and motionless world. In reality, the  motion of the sun is more complex, as it follows a pre-programmed path of widening and tightening orbits, which gives rise to the seasons.  When the sun moves away from the magnetic north (the center of the plane) and over to the outer rim regions (Australia, South America, South Africa), it actually speeds up, in order to have the day remain at 24 hours. This is why those who live in those regions experience more erratic changes between night and day and generally more extreme weather patterns than those living in the inner regions closer to the north pole.

The motion of the sun is easily explained by electro-magnetism (not the philosophical, occult and unproven force of "gravity").

It is easy to reproduce such a motion in a lab, by having a magnetic disk float and spin circles around a magnetic center.



Here's a short clip of the experiment shown in front of a live audience:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9OTL-5eLT0


So it is easy for people to accept that humans can create this effect in a lab, but if we tell them that GOD made the sun move this way, immediately they frown and discredit it as craziness?

This is a kind of hypocrisy, in my book.

 :peace:

Not about the motion of the earth in this verse ( 36:38 )  but about:

and the sun running to its resting / appointed / specific  point / place 

wal-shamsu tajrī limus'taqarrin lahā

وَالشَّمْسُ تَجْرِي لِمُسْتَقَرٍّ لَّهَا


and how to apply this verse on a flat earth model ?

https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/36/38/


...
(https://i.imgur.com/R02KzEZ.jpg)

...

Salam.. :peace:


----------

As for the conspiracy theory;
why would all space agencies and all countries come together and make an agreement to lie on the shape of the earth ?
What would be the purpose of that?



------------

والله اعلم
Allah knows best.


Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Sultan Brandon on January 31, 2019, 08:48:43 AM
ASLM SB,

maybe blood yes, cause its close system  and the heart does all the work,  but i wonder what will happen on a long period... but our organs , would not work properly , like digesting food ... how will you food go to the right place if we have no gravity... how about the acid in our body aka stomach acid ?? our organs should also flow ... i dont know if this a healthy thing ....
can we reproduce our self in the space without gravity....



found this on the net :till now i didnt see any records from astronauts

I agree that our bodies wouldn't function properly but its not gravity that makes things go down because mass doesn't attract.  Its a mechanism that orients substances relative to their density which is also why things rise that gravity can't cause.  And those "space" cams can be easily faked with green screens, etc.

The earth is most likely covered by water over a dome like ancient cultures believed, although I'm ok with calling that a belief just like people believe there's "space" up there.  But that's not the same as the shape of the surface which I know based on science, facts and reasoning that its concave and not a sphere.

The Qur'an also mentions God opening "opening the gates of the sky to pour water".

In the name of God, the All-Mighty, the Merciful
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

54:11 So We opened the gates of the sky with pouring water.

88:17 Will they not look at the camels, how were they created?

88:18 And to the sky, how was it raised?

88:19 And to the mountains, how were they set?

88:20 And to the land, how was it flattened?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: amin on January 31, 2019, 11:06:11 AM
people using satellite hosted in space for watching their daily news and many other needs, still complain and say everything as lie, looks a joke. Do not search these in Quran, there are so many science articles available to explain our queries, may be not enough for our knowledge but we continue our search.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Sultan Brandon on January 31, 2019, 11:20:51 AM
people using satellite hosted in space for watching their daily news and many other needs, still complain and say everything as lie, looks a joke. Do not search these in Quran, there are so many science articles available to explain our queries, may be not enough for our knowledge but we continue our search.

"Satellites" are all ground based technology based on reflecting the signal and there's zero evidence that they're flying around in "space".  And just because an article or website invokes science doesn't mean they're telling the truth. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jwr6l7Xyw4 
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 31, 2019, 01:55:10 PM
this is the same person supported Novice for the word of rape... now he is shamelessly and openly saying it with intent...
That's hypocrisy at best...
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610450.160

i m saying again even if he does rape to WEST INDIANS does it change the fact ? he discovered your ancestors as everybody sharing single blood line.so they are related to you as well. incase u think westindies is part of INDIAN ocean.

but u are arrogant/stupid/mindless person.
u want people explains you about your stupidity.
u want people explain ur disgrace in DETAILS. thats what make u happy.
did u see the question mark in the END ( blind stupid). lier.
stupidy + foolishness + jealousy + losers = FLATEARTHER

 
BTW i just remeber on that post you didnt tell how much money should be accepted as ransom of RAPE ? lol

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 31, 2019, 02:14:43 PM
How does traveling across a body of water prove that the surface is a sphere?  You make no sense but go ahead and "explain".  If you want to remain arrogant and keep hypocritically insulting the true believers who are smart and knowledgeable then you can do that but I warn you that you're angering الله سبحانه وتالى

Seek forgiveness from your Lord.

FIRST u said he was rapist hahahaha what does it have to do with what he explore?

now u r repeating ur stupidity again.

herez an experiment if u r not dumb but u r not only dumb but fool as well.
stupids and fools exposed themselves in the very first thread. becoz making one fake id or hundreds cant enhance the mind abilities on other hand they improved on their stupidity more and more. example thread is here.

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610475.msg421250#msg421250 (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610475.msg421250#msg421250)

its also due to your stupidity that i have to welcome you guys with wonderful words in start of the posts now coming back to topic.

take a trip to world start from a point and go into straight line and see where u end ( if u didnt see any wall like people were telling to colombus then u may end ur journey on same point this experiment can b done on sending four people on four directions also.north,south,east,west.

u dnt understand this becoz u think there is an icewall? hence journey is impossible then we said but we have planes then u said pilots are NASA. agents lol.

its really hard to improve perfection but in case of FLATearthers the are perfecting their stupidity in every single thread. they dnt need to improve their stupidity i think its builtin their minds.



Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Sultan Brandon on January 31, 2019, 03:39:01 PM
FIRST u said he was rapist hahahaha what does it have to do with what he explore?

now u r repeating ur stupidity again.

herez an experiment if u r not dumb but u r not only dumb but fool as well.
stupids and fools exposed themselves in the very first thread. becoz making one fake id or hundreds cant enhance the mind abilities on other hand they improved on their stupidity more and more. example thread is here.

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610475.msg421250#msg421250 (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610475.msg421250#msg421250)

its also due to your stupidity that i have to welcome you guys with wonderful words in start of the posts now coming back to topic.

take a trip to world start from a point and go into straight line and see where u end ( if u didnt see any wall like people were telling to colombus then u may end ur journey on same point this experiment can b done on sending four people on four directions also.north,south,east,west.

u dnt understand this becoz u think there is an icewall? hence journey is impossible then we said but we have planes then u said pilots are NASA. agents lol.

its really hard to improve perfection but in case of FLATearthers the are perfecting their stupidity in every single thread. they dnt need to improve their stupidity i think its builtin their minds.

You can't call anyone else stupid until you at least learn to type better than a 6th grader.

And traveling to different land masses isn't impossible with an ice wall perimeter because the land masses are in the middle and you can still go between them dumbass.

"ahuddrrrrr hurrrr de flet erthurs r stuped arhuuurr de gwobe thury is troo becoz i beweev it and gwavity make watur upsied don hurrr"

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Noon waalqalami on January 31, 2019, 06:54:30 PM
"Satellites" are all ground based technology based on reflecting the signal and there's zero evidence that they're flying around in "space". 

peace -- 90 countries launched satellites!
go outside see international space station
https://spotthestation.nasa.gov/sightings/index.cfm

year country 1st satellite
 
1957 Soviet Union/Russia Sputnik 1
1958 United States Explorer 1
1962 Canada Alouette 1
1962 United Kingdom Ariel 1
1964 Italy San Marco 1
1965 France Ast?rix
1967 Australia WRESAT
1969 Germany Azur
1970 China Dong Fang Hong I
1970 Japan Ohsumi
1974 Spain Intasat
1974 Netherlands ANS
1975 India Aryabhata
1976 Indonesia Palapa A1
1978 Czechoslovakia Magion 1
1981 Bulgaria Intercosmos Bulgaria 1300
1985 Brazil Brasilsat-A1
1985 Saudi Arabia Arabsat-1A
1985 Mexico Morelos 1
1986 Sweden Viking
1988 Israel Ofeq 1
1988 Luxembourg Astra 1A
1990 Argentina Lusat
1990 Hong Kong AsiaSat 1
1990 Pakistan Badr-1
1992 South Korea Kitsat A
1993 Thailand Thaicom 1
1993 Portugal PoSAT-1
1994 Turkey Turksat 1B
1995 Ukraine Sich-1
1995 Czech Republic Magion 4
1996 Malaysia MEASAT
1997 Norway Thor 2
1997 Philippines Mabuhay 1
1998 Singapore ST-1
1998 Egypt Nilesat 101
1998 Chile FASat-Bravo
1999 Taiwan ROCSAT-1
1999 Denmark ?rsted
1999 South Africa SUNSAT
2000 United Arab Emirates Thuraya 1
2001 Morocco Maroc-Tubsat
2001 Belgium PROBA-1
2002 Algeria Alsat 1
2002 Tonga Esiafi 1 (former Comstar D4)
2003 Nigeria Nigeriasat 1
2003 Greece Hellas Sat 2
2003 Cyprus Hellas Sat 2
2005 Iran Sina-1
2006 Kazakhstan KazSat 1
2007 Colombia Libertad 1
2007 Mauritius Rascom-QAF 1
2008 Vietnam Vinasat-1
2008 Venezuela Venesat-1
2009 Switzerland SwissCube-1
2011 Isle of Man ViaSat-1
2012 Poland[38] PW-Sat
2012 Belarus BKA (BelKA-2)
2012 North Korea Kwangmyŏngsŏng-3 Unit 2
2012 Sri Lanka SupremeSAT-1
2012 Hungary MaSat-1
2012 Romania Goliat[39]
2013 Ecuador NEE-01 Pegaso
2013 Peru PUCPSAT-1[45]
2013 Azerbaijan Azerspace
2013 Estonia ESTCube-1
2013 Bolivia TKSat-1
2013 Austria TUGSAT-1/UniBRITE
2013 Bermuda Bermudasat 1 (former EchoStar VI)
2013 Jersey O3b-1, -2, -3, -4
2013 Qatar Es'hailSat1
2014 Lithuania LituanicaSAT-1 and LitSat-1
2014 Uruguay Antelsat
2014 Iraq Tigrisat
2015 Turkmenistan TurkmenAlem52E/MonacoSAT
2015 Laos Laosat-1
2017 Bangladesh BRAC Onnesha and Bangabandhu-1
2017 Finland Aalto-2
2017 Ghana GhanaSat-1
2017 Mongolia Mazaalai
2017 Latvia Venta-1
2017 Slovakia skCUBE
2017 Asgardia Asgardia-1
2017 Angola AngoSat 1
2018 New Zealand Humanity Star
2018 Costa Rica Proyecto Iraz?
2018 Kenya 1KUNS-PF
2018 Bhutan CubeSat Bhutan-1
2018 Jordan JY1-SAT
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Sultan Brandon on January 31, 2019, 07:14:50 PM
peace -- 90 countries launched satellites!
go outside see international space station
https://spotthestation.nasa.gov/sightings/index.cfm

year country 1st satellite
 

و عليكم السلام

There's extensive proof that NASA are satanic liars.  Nothing they say can be trusted.  And even if that list is true, none of those are still up there.  Launching is not the same as sustaining.  And there's too much evidence about this topic that can be found online from sources that are actually credible like real engineers who work with the technology, among so much more.  Also, they already have technology to project images wherever they want in the sky or on the surface of the dome, just like how the signals work, so the claim that you can see an image of a "space station" isn't evidence that something is actually there.  Especially with proof that they're faking "space walks" like the two videos I posted.  I suggest watching them.  But i've said enough about this already and anyone can research it for themselves if they want to know the truth, God willing.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: jkhan on January 31, 2019, 08:44:24 PM
Brother Brandon.....
Let people say whatever they want... Let them call us stupid madman..... Is it at new..?  What the people of all prophets called them... Non other You are a Madman... Are they really mad or the one who called them as mad.... When there is no option when the truth is manifirst then that's the last resort to insult with hatred... So keep patient  and bring your proofs.. Remember dear there are lots of members who silently read and not this dozens of members who are always around....
Note in below YouTube lie of the Aussie he works in Telecom but still he perceives it's not through sattelite SD we taught... It's all from underwater optical cables connected entire statuonay earth and stationary towed positions all over the world... Any of this malfunction world is not connected... That's the truth...
https://youtu.be/Dr2GdIFbv9Q
https://www.adn.com/business/article/damaged-undersea-fiber-optic-cable-interrupts-sitka-s-internet-cable-service/2016/02/17/
https://youtu.be/GFQab84yDNE
https://www.voanews.com/a/could-enemies-target-undersea-cables-that-link-the-world/4324682.html
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/10/why-internet-data-is-about-to-cross-the-ocean-faster/
God guide us....
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 31, 2019, 09:49:25 PM
You can't call anyone else stupid until you at least learn to type better than a 6th grader.

And traveling to different land masses isn't impossible with an ice wall perimeter because the land masses are in the middle and you can still go between them dumbass.

"ahuddrrrrr hurrrr de flet erthurs r stuped arhuuurr de gwobe thury is troo becoz i beweev it and gwavity make watur upsied don hurrr"

the evidence of your stupidity is there. and stupid is the most suitable word i can use it for you.
whatever u are saying is not true ( where in middle) did u take a trip already?.
where is ur model of eclipse again ?

6th grade kid got more smart mind.
you guys are stupid = underconstruction mad
you guys are fools = underconstruction phycho.
you guys are funny= underconstruction crazy lol
you guys are dumb = underconstruction shameless people.

YOU guys are INSULT proof virus of society as well as this forum who come again and again just for insults.

these are all evidences and a 6th grade kid can read it undertand it and also laugh on it after that. but

FLAT earthers are blind or partly blind when their plane try to cross the wall they can see it from plane rest of the passengers get blind at that time due to MAGiC lol.
same magic what cause an eclipse hahahaha .



Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on January 31, 2019, 10:07:14 PM

Let people say whatever they want... Let them call us stupid madman..... Is it at new..?  What the people of all prophets called them.

. When there is no option when the truth is manifirst then that's the last resort to insult with hatred... So keep patient  and bring your proofs..

GREEN so you guys are comparing yourself with prophets ?   :rotfl:
take a trip to world and say people to throw garbage/rubbish at you. your long lasting wish get fullfilled. you already have a reason say them earth is flat if u disagree then throw rubbish(eggs,tomatoes) rotten ones at you they will do it happily. then take pictures of that insult and post in on everysocial media. may b flat earth community reward you with ?ROCKET? hahahaha .

RED thats what flat earthers always do but this time FATE decided not only you guys gey defeated but also a package of your insults is coming with it.

it happened when a gambler lost all his wealth in one night and when he ask help for going home robbers suddenly come and beat him becoz he have no more money hahahahaha.
its called double panteration of DESTINY of flat earther. lmao.

pray from God the thread get close or say some stupid things to any round earth member the thread get close as well as ur id hanahaha.coz thos thread is making records insults now lol .
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Sultan Brandon on February 01, 2019, 06:53:46 AM
Brother Brandon.....
Let people say whatever they want... Let them call us stupid madman..... Is it at new..?  What the people of all prophets called them... Non other You are a Madman... Are they really mad or the one who called them as mad.... When there is no option when the truth is manifirst then that's the last resort to insult with hatred... So keep patient  and bring your proofs.. Remember dear there are lots of members who silently read and not this dozens of members who are always around....
Note in below YouTube lie of the Aussie he works in Telecom but still he perceives it's not through sattelite SD we taught... It's all from underwater optical cables connected entire statuonay earth and stationary towed positions all over the world... Any of this malfunction world is not connected... That's the truth...
https://youtu.be/Dr2GdIFbv9Q
https://www.adn.com/business/article/damaged-undersea-fiber-optic-cable-interrupts-sitka-s-internet-cable-service/2016/02/17/
https://youtu.be/GFQab84yDNE
https://www.voanews.com/a/could-enemies-target-undersea-cables-that-link-the-world/4324682.html
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/10/why-internet-data-is-about-to-cross-the-ocean-faster/
God guide us....

السلام عليكم jkhan

You're right and you have a beautiful heart.  Thank you for the reminder.  And all praise and thanks be to الله سبحانه وتعالى and may He forgive us.

In the name of God, the All-Mighty, the Merciful
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

28:55 And if they come across vain talk, they disregard it and say: "To us are our deeds, and to you are your deeds. Peace be upon you. We do not seek the ignorant."

4:88 What is the matter with you that you are divided into two groups over the hypocrites, while God has regressed them for what they have earned? Do you want to guide those whom God misguides? Whoever God causes to be misguided, you will never find for him a path.

16:23 Certainly, God knows what they hide and what they reveal. He does not like the arrogant.

2:269 He grants wisdom to whom He chooses, and whoever is granted wisdom has been given much good. Only those who possess intelligence will remember.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Sultan Brandon on February 01, 2019, 06:57:25 AM
you guys are stupid = underconstruction mad
you guys are fools = underconstruction phycho.
you guys are funny= underconstruction crazy lol
you guys are dumb = underconstruction shameless people.

YOU guys are INSULT proof virus of society as well as this forum who come again and again just for insults.

Lol.

hy?poc?ri?sy
Dictionary result for hypocrisy
/həˈp?krəsē/
noun
noun: hypocrisy; plural noun: hypocrisies

    the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on February 01, 2019, 11:35:11 AM
also see the word SHAME and its related with shameless people like flatearthers.

its very important word specially when a person and other memebers knows he have no answer for eclipse along with other questions. but SHAME is not present in them thats why even after knowing their HYPOCRICY they still telling LIE.

there are lot of words in dictionary what u guys need ro learn examples
LIE, STUPIDITY, FOOLISHNESS, ARROGANCE, And the most important WORD

?FAKERY?
that word suits u best.

while reading this word FAKE look into your self and all other fake ids for understanding more.then u will realise TRUTH beats you everywhere and everytime again and again. :hmm

you guys already know this word DEFEAT due to confirm defeats on plantey of events.lol :yay:
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: Sultan Brandon on February 01, 2019, 02:35:45 PM
also see the word SHAME and its related with shameless people like flatearthers.

its very important word specially when a person and other memebers knows he have no answer for eclipse along with other questions. but SHAME is not present in them thats why even after knowing their HYPOCRICY they still telling LIE.

there are lot of words in dictionary what u guys need ro learn examples
LIE, STUPIDITY, FOOLISHNESS, ARROGANCE, And the most important WORD

?FAKERY?
that word suits u best.

while reading this word FAKE look into your self and all other fake ids for understanding more.then u will realise TRUTH beats you everywhere and everytime again and again. :hmm

you guys already know this word DEFEAT due to confirm defeats on plantey of events.lol :yay:

Cool story

Globe theory is nonsense and the black sun is the cause of eclipses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQEnRgKQRXs
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on February 01, 2019, 02:50:18 PM
which BLACK sun ?  :rotfl: magical one

few days ago a member was saying its magical MOON ? so decide first SUN or MOON. ?
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: quincy on February 03, 2019, 08:19:35 AM
Assalamu alleikum brother imran!

i already posted a link about the technology of the ancients. Which was sustainable and harmonious with nature then the technology we have today, people were not greedy those days. Now its all fossil fuels to make money and control over ressources. There is nothing new under the sun. This civilization is essentially godless. Thats what i mean. 0 spirituallity. And a lot of people are suffering because of this. Psychologically and physically. For the alchemists, who were the pioneer biochemists: it was very important to understand that the samawat represents the spiritual- and 'ard the material part. This was the basis for chemistry. Thats why we also have the problem in brand islam which lacs the essence of faith, which is spirituality. After gog and magog faked all the space programs and the moonlandings (which was an occult ritual basicly), people looked into the sky and thought completely differently, which was the death of spirituality. The Moon and the Sun are equal divine opposites, this is very important to know. If you give the hadith literature any credibility, people were advised to perform salah during eclipses. Because the Sun and the Moon are considered to be the greatest tokens of GOD. Try to do dhikr and meditation during a harvest moon, which is the time of the true month of ramadhan, then you will see that everything is connect through a divine system of GOD. Research about the Sabaens. They are mentioned in the Qur'an alongside the Nazarenes and Jews. These guys were the true Astronomers!
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on February 03, 2019, 01:29:37 PM
brother abaddon,

i wana ask something from you ?
i asked this from other member i guess he dnt have answer and as usual new fake id is here telling me he already explain.

what did you EXPLAIN. i m giving u benefit of doubt. and one ?special offer?

one of them select magical moon
and the other one select magical sun.

you have a choice to select whatever from above two and them tell me i select sun or moon.

the next question/discrepency  is waiting for you other memeber run away so its ur turn now.
but select sun or moon first. let this eclipse debate continue going on.

NOTE look in my post there is no arrogance or stupid word although if u start arrogance like others then just make sure i will reply in same manner depend on your own attitude (as per third law of motion lol)although i m 90% sure u r reincarnted member but for the 10% i m giving u reply as i feel 10 % is still 10%.

God bless you
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: quincy on February 03, 2019, 02:29:19 PM
Be water, my friend! Dont feed fire with more fire. Eclipses can be described in different ways, now what seems to us logical will be rediculed by the next civilization which will have another dogma to approach reality, thats why its important to seek the truth which you will never find in religious dogmas. I see the heavens as something completely different. And it shouldnt be described logically but intuitionally, because logic is for things you not only see but can touch, smell and manipulate. You can see the stars, sun and the moon but you cant manipulate, smell or touch it. Thats where intuition comes into play, our right brainwing:

(https://s14-eu5.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.thepath.us%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F03%2Fleft-right-brain.jpg&sp=7f0d96b6ef028f511d4a3a0c31052648)

Thats why you also have the concept of muhkamat and mutashabihat verses in the Quran. Muhkamat = Logic / Mutashabihat =Intuition. Both wings can be used effectively when you acquire knowledge through GOD which is the spiritual intelligence (SQ) besides the left and right wing its the pineal gland in the centre which allows harmony between the left (IQ / Logic / Intellectual intelligence) and right (EQ / Intuition / Emotional intelligence). The Sun corresponds to the left brain wing, the Moon to the right and Polaris to the pineal gland:

(https://s14-eu5.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fsqi.co%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F11%2FThe-Brains-Three-Processing-Modes-copy.png&sp=e5fb45c2007b05dc0698f36710c97598)

And this is how everything works in the universe. The Atoms are built this way, ancient alchemy was built on these foundations also. So now you may understand why Eclipses are such a big deal. My intuition tells me that we are just witnessing an alter ego of the Sun as well as of the Moon which tries to be something different. The Sun becomes pitchblack without light and the Moon suddenly cycles from left to right until it becomes a bloody Moon. As if it were the evil twins of these  ;D There cant be good without the evil.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: quincy on February 03, 2019, 02:38:11 PM
And you can trust me brother, im new here on this forum.

GOD bless you.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: jkhan on February 03, 2019, 05:57:48 PM
And you can trust me brother, im new here on this forum.

GOD bless you.
You are very intelligent... Good to see..
If he truly trust  u that would be a miracle.... In case he is that's his turning point for truth... God guide him...
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: jkhan on February 03, 2019, 06:06:25 PM

the next question/discrepency  is waiting for you other memeber run away so its ur turn now.
but select sun or moon first. let this eclipse debate continue going on.

NOTE look in my post there is no arrogance or stupid word although if u start arrogance like others then just make sure i will reply in same manner depend on your own attitude (as per third law of motion lol)although i m 90% sure u r reincarnted member but for the 10% i m giving u reply as i feel 10 % is still 10%.

God bless you
What have you explained about eclipse so far here.... Have you got any knowledge about eclipse?
The arrogant one saying to others don't be arrogant.... Flat Earthers are not arrogant... You will see abandon very topic oriented... I already noticed it.. I wonder you will... I am sure you will end up with him nonsense... Have you control... Arey.... Imran bayya... Thoda sa sochna... Ham galath hei tho sahi tharika dekao... Ham sunega.... Aapka beechmei ham ko Koi mamla nehi hei.. Sirf sachchai dundnei... Iskeliye Tamara tarafse achchise argue karo... Ham sunega... Fake vegara or dusra bla bla.. Kya faida... Mera Urdu bethrine hei?
Take care
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on February 03, 2019, 08:49:29 PM
Be water, my friend! Dont feed fire with more fire. Eclipses can be described in different ways,

ok thats best way of debating as we can gain knowledge atleast.

lets start from the different WAYS of describing eclipses.

do one thing just tell us a single way in flatearth model that give details to eclipse with respect to the shape of earth. its better whatever u wana say use diagram.

now look at this brother jkhan when he ask silly questions i just feel sympathy for him.
he is asking me to show him the eclipse model in Roundearth.
inspite of knowing the fact he can google it. everywhere he can see eclipse in RE.
if he try to find in flat earth model he will not find it thats what we are asking.where is ur model?

second thing when there was not internet there are books/articles of authorised scietists/researchers/astronomers who have their work in eclipse cracking both lunar and solar eclipses. u can also see their work.

if i try to find any authorised scientist in FE model i couldnt find it. in any book(science).?

did u see the difference now?
anyway forget everything and start thinking about this model if u r sincear reseracher u will get to conclusion like 2+2= 4 and if eclipse is real then why it happen and how it will happen in flat earth? dnt put lot of things in ur mind just solve this step then proceed if u stuck in here its mean there is something wrong with model thats all i m saying.

God bless you



Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: jkhan on February 03, 2019, 09:24:31 PM
This is what called deception....  See.. For what purpose we are here in this forum... Mainly to clarify quran and make things plain and manifest by solving where there are issues and variations of opinions and doubts... So quran is a book which needs to be addressed and find out truth and not blindly accept it.... Though we accepted it totally we scrutinize it for further enhancement and tighten the grips when it comes to belief in God and to keep close connection with Him..
But unfortunately when NASA brings anything be it theory or reality (such as moon landing)  these REs have no doubt and they don't even counter question.... When we counter question  they parrot.... What a tragedy... They have given to science fiction the place above quran... They don't perceive it.... Some may but for some it will be end of the road.....
Oh my dear brothers and sisters and elders.... Simply asking... Do you have any doubts in Round Earth?  I will answer... No...
I wish I can open a polling in new topic... Is it Geocentric or Heloisentric?...  At least 6%  says yes Geo... Then It shows the difference.... Always majority dupe.. That's Quran... If I feel it is worth opening such a polling I would... For now let's crack eclipses... 😉
In which thing people don't doubt.... That could be in only deception
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on February 04, 2019, 12:43:48 AM
@ jkhan advice for you eclipse is not for brains like you. let the new member of flat earth read my post and reply him with his flat earth model. if he able to crack it.

when u have no answer of anything suddenly u guys bring Quran in it as a shield in ur insane mind thinking quran claim earth is flat . this is not the thing what i am asking.

?subject here is shape of earth with respect to eclipse ? i dun need to use quran for solving math solutions ? do i ?
i am chemist do i have to look the formula h2o from quran?
is quran is a science/astronomy book ?

that shows the retreat of debate. same like retreat in war when u have no more moves.

now its called pure shirk like pharoah ? even after knowing the truth? he still reject like a stubborn madman. u guys are doing same in flatearth.

just suppose u say MOON a celestial magic object or u say 2+2=5 ?
we can say he got a weak mind or this perosn is mentally unstable.

but when u say Moon is moon and celestial object at same time and 2+2 =5 and 4 in same time then other person may say you troublemaker/transgressor etc becoz on his mind u r the highly/heavily stupid/foolish person he ever met. UNIQUE type of stupids


Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: kaltun on February 11, 2019, 05:59:26 AM
@imrankhawaja

is this not thinkable?  your eclipse is also showing ...please watch...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiSAQNAoqwI
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on February 11, 2019, 11:19:14 AM
@ kaltun the video you shared  got more than 5 errors in it  out of which due to generosity i will only ask one (1)

why people on ploar regions like (iceland,greenland, sweden,norway etc ) witness months of daylight and months of dark at some point in a year there is not even sunrise and sunset  :yes ?  midnight sun on those days become attraction for lot of tourists? how you explain it in this model ?

and kindly tell me where is the eclipse described in video ? (show me where in video in minutes and second format) 1:08 like this.

@ first i was thinking not to reply saving my time but anyway i asked pehaps someone genuine learner can get advantage.

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: kaltun on February 11, 2019, 11:34:42 AM
@ kaltun the video you shared  got more than 5 errors in it  out of which due to generosity i will only ask one (1)

why people on ploar regions like (iceland,greenland, sweden,norway etc ) witness months of daylight and months of dark at some point in a year there is not even sunrise and sunset  :yes ?  midnight sun on those days become attraction for lot of tourists? how you explain it in this model ?

and kindly tell me where is the eclipse described in video ? (show me where in video in minutes and second format) 1:08 like this.

@ first i was thinking not to reply saving my time but anyway i asked pehaps someone genuine learner can get advantage.

Slm imrankhawaja,
this model is just for illustration, i am not saying this is shape ... but it can be ;)

https://youtu.be/KiSAQNAoqwI?t=223 .. few second later you will see the eclips ...

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why people on ploar regions like (iceland,greenland, sweden,norway etc ) witness months of daylight and months of dark at some point in a year there is not even sunrise and sunset  :yes ?  midnight sun on those days become attraction for lot of tourists? how you explain it in this model ?

https://youtu.be/KiSAQNAoqwI?t=223 here you see for a while its floating over these regions , and if its winter its goes lower

i dont know if you gonna watch...but whole explanation about our sight on this world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ-RBL5a5dk&list=PLwl2JT--_2Wmp-mjOAjzA8zgeGtxI_r-V
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: kaltun on February 11, 2019, 11:52:20 AM
Slm imrankhawaja,

check google maps. if you zoom out you will see there is no arctica , its melted  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on February 11, 2019, 11:53:13 AM
Slm imrankhawaja,
this model is just for illustration, i am not saying this is shape ... but it can be ;)

https://youtu.be/KiSAQNAoqwI?t=223 .. few second later you will see the eclips

BOLD hmm its called guesswork in ?dictionary?

i didnt find any eclipse there ? do one thing show the exact second format the way i ask in my last post 3:27 seconds like this and after that do one thing explain it in your own words what that eclipse is showing (details) of it ?

otherwise dnt  waste more time of mine. my and your time is finite in this life so make it productive.

just look at last two post seems learning method is not present in flat earth minds,
exampme you send me video on guess works?
and then on those guess works u r making more guesses?

if the first model is covering polar regions.
second model  have to cover time zones.
third model have to cover eclipses.

and one model contradict others( you guys dnt understand this simple thing) lol
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: kaltun on February 11, 2019, 12:08:01 PM
Slm imrankhawaja,
weird thet you didnt see th eclips ?? did you even watched
fyi 3:50 you can see the eclips

Quote
BOLD hmm its called guesswork in ?dictionary?


duhhhh offcourse its guesswork , ive been never up there ?? did you ?

i dont know if you understand it  , but the second links tries to explain how are sight sees..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ-RBL5a5dk&list=PLwl2JT--_2Wmp-mjOAjzA8zgeGtxI_r-V

but you will not watch and do redicule everyone who is not with your truth ...

but i will not waste you time on this anymore ....

all i ask was,is this not thinkable?  for you the world is a fact , for me a guesswork ...
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on February 11, 2019, 12:46:40 PM

weird thet you didnt see th eclips ?? did you even watched
fyi 3:50 you can see the eclips
 


i watched and then ask otherwise it was not possible for me to guess whats in the video does it make SENSE?

@ 3 : 50 its nothing there called ECLIPSES
and i asked you to tell about the details of ALL things related ?with? eclipse in that video?

i m just wondering is it LAW for me to repeat myself on all questions awww why it always happened with me  :brickwall:

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on February 11, 2019, 12:51:03 PM

why people on ploar regions like (iceland,greenland, sweden,norway etc ) witness months of daylight and months of dark at some point in a year there is not even sunrise and sunset  :yes ?  midnight sun on those days become attraction for lot of tourists? how you explain it in this model ?


YOUR answer so far Is GUESSWORK.
so i consider this as your answer, MAY I ? lol

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: quincy on February 23, 2019, 03:56:17 AM
Bill Nye's Mental Meltdown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRIHgk1S7Nc)

LOL the reaction of the interviewer is priceless  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: jkhan on February 23, 2019, 04:27:19 AM
Bill Nye's Mental Meltdown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRIHgk1S7Nc)

LOL the reaction of the interviewer is priceless  ;D ;D
:-\ ...
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: quincy on February 23, 2019, 01:36:21 PM
Eddie Bravo - FE-Warriors (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz185AbukXY)
ARE YOU THE TRUE MAN/WOMAN? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh7v08H_DpY)

!!!PREPARE FOR THE FAKE ALIEN INVASION!!!


   
Quote
And he made serviceable to you the sun and the moon, both ceaseless.
    And he made serviceable to you the night and the day. (14:33)

    God it is who raised up the heavens
    Without pillars you can see.
    Then he took his place upon the throne.
    And he made serviceable the sun and the moon
    Each running for a named term.
    He directs the matter.
    He sets out and details the proofs
    That you might be certain of the meeting with your lord. (13:2)

    Your lord is God who created the heavens and the earth in six days
    Then took his place upon the throne.
    He covers the night, the day hastening after it constantly.
    And the sun and the moon and the stars are made serviceable by his command.
    In truth: to him belong the creation and the command.
    Blessed be God
    The Lord of All Mankind! (7:54)

    If: he who made the earth a fixed lodging
    And made rivers in its midst
    And made firm mountains therein
    And made a barrier between the two seas:
    Is there any god with God?
    The truth is: most of them know not. (27:61)

    Who made the earth for you a carpet
    And the sky a structure
    And sent down from the sky water
    Then brought forth thereby some fruits as provision for you.
    So make not equals to God.
    And you know. (2:22)

    Hast thou not considered how God made what is in the earth serviceable to you?
    And the ship runs upon the sea by his command.
    And he holds the sky lest it fall on the earth save by his leave.
    God is to mankind kind, merciful. (22:65)[/b]

- holy Qur'an
:group:
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: jkhan on February 23, 2019, 07:13:33 PM
Eddie Bravo - FE-Warriors (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz185AbukXY)
ARE YOU THE TRUE MAN/WOMAN? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh7v08H_DpY)

!!!PREPARE FOR THE FAKE ALIEN INVASION!!!


   

- holy Qur'an
:group:

Peace dear
Some great verses.. All of them are discussed here in this forum... But reminders won't help those who bend towards evil... Reminders only work for those who are eager to guidance.... I wonder how they reject these verses and still claim that world is spinning ball.... When I showed to my disbelieving friends these verses tell me... What you get by these verses.. Is the earth stationary or ball.. Man it is stationary... And they say.. Man.. Your quran says earth is stationary... Lol... Old junk books... See... They get what's written in Quran.... They joke... But those who call as Muslim they don't get quran and they get by these verses that earth is spinning....  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on February 24, 2019, 04:29:08 AM
@ quincy

still waiting for your answer i asked in post mumber 340?

u changed ur ID name  i can see it but do u also changed ur mind about eclipses ?

all of flat earth champions defeated badly on eclipses so do you.



Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: quincy on February 24, 2019, 04:31:59 AM
I gave you an answer, but it seems you couldnt understand it. And i certainly not changed my nickname because of you brother  ;D I told you that there are different explanations for eclipses, if you would just start researching with an open mind... and i also gave you mine.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on February 24, 2019, 04:40:19 AM
I gave you an answer, if you cant understand it, its your fault.  ;) And i certainly not changed my nickname because of you brother  ;D I told you that there are different explanations for eclipses, if you would just start researching with an open mind... and i also gave you mine.

i didnt said you changed for me i just said u changed it and what i said is based on pure fact that you CHANGED it. and do you want to debate on this too?

send me link where did u describe any (1)  model by you ? where is ur model ?

dunt worry u can describe it now ? let see who is LIAR
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: quincy on February 24, 2019, 04:41:42 AM
Peace dear
Some great verses.. All of them are discussed here in this forum... But reminders won't help those who bend towards evil... Reminders only work for those who are eager to guidance.... I wonder how they reject these verses and still claim that world is spinning ball.... When I showed to my disbelieving friends these verses tell me... What you get by these verses.. Is the earth stationary or ball.. Man it is stationary... And they say.. Man.. Your quran says earth is stationary... Lol... Old junk books... See... They get what's written in Quran.... They joke... But those who call as Muslim they don't get quran and they get by these verses that earth is spinning....  :rotfl:

Peace!

yeah, but its still an amusing phenomena. the same is going on in other faiths. they adapt modern doctrines and mix it with the scriptures.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on February 24, 2019, 04:45:26 AM
do you want one more month  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: quincy on February 24, 2019, 04:51:09 AM
Brother im sorry... but i explained it to you already and you just called it a special kind of stupid... No one is forcing you to accept anything.

EDIT: Ive gone through the threads and i noticed that you edited it out.

Watch this presentation. He also talks about Eclipses but i dont know exactly in which part:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMQDhvTGAFs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMQDhvTGAFs)

Edit2: Part 3 - 18:20

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on February 24, 2019, 09:03:22 AM

Edit2: Part 3 - 18:20


 :rotfl: guessworks without any evidence ?

let me summarise what he said he use two different models for solar and lunar eclipse and all
the   different ? WAYS ? what hez descrbing is guesswork like this.

if this then MAY B this
if not this then MAY B this

he dnt know himself what MAY B he wana go for situation.

now summarise all what we have till now about eclipses.

one theory said its ?rahu?
one said ?magical moon?
one said its ?MAY b ?

actually forget about him u can choose any MAY b model from that video then  i will be asking further questions? as i feel its wastage of time to ask any question before u guys final ONE model of eclipse.

lem me give u hint the models he describe one contradict another so before making any final
model keep these important things in mind timezones, polar regions. thats why they didnt/cant decide any model.

now its your turn come with a MODEL and we continue further on that one model.


Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: quincy on February 24, 2019, 09:38:07 AM
Did you ever create something? Did you ever wrote a novel or composed a song? Maybe a nice drawing? I can come up with some models which will describe an eclipse but it wont be based on Truth. This is the same what modern establishment is doing. You have an Eclipse model and you are just following the consensus of the modern world. Do you also agree that there are 78 genders? Is it okay for a man making sex with another man? If you wanted, you could draw the world as you like and find another madman who agree with you to push that Idea further into the minds of the people. Draw the world as you like, destort the world as you like. But i wont do such stuff, i have submitted to the truth and i have already told you the TRUTH about the Sky and the luminaries. And my views can be found in nearly all believe systems and philosophies of the ancients. Dont blame others... if you want to stay semi-conscious, its your decision to do so. Maybe you should start to help people in need and do Selfless acts, sacrificial acts. Forget about the Flat or Globe thing. It seems as you have more important stuff to do, purify and stay purified.

Peace.
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on February 25, 2019, 01:31:48 AM
thanks brother for letting me know that you are also in the list of those flatearthers who unable to crack eclipses.  :handshake:

rest of your post is not in my interest or u can say offtopic if u wish we can open a new thread on all that what u on about i ll not bring flat earth in that discussion promise  :peace:

NOTE add one more thing in it ?dancer? i did it occassionaly still i was in backhome and i had fans who waited for my michal jackson steps lmao  O0 many many years ago lol.( i still got videos in case u need evidence) lol :rotfl:

NOTE 2 ancient philosphies get (RAPED)  :voodoo: by modern science discoveries.

OR

the proven facts of modern science nailed/drilled the philosphies in coffin  :police:
Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: quincy on February 25, 2019, 04:14:43 AM
Proven facts? Lol. Dude, we have all gone through the western schools and universities. Dont be rediculous. There are no proven facts, neither in theoretical physics - which IS a philosophy made in vatican, or fake history. Actually there are a lot of "Sciences" based on ancient philosophy and occultism.

So you are the dancing type. You are dancing to the tune. Interesting.

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: imrankhawaja on February 25, 2019, 04:40:27 AM
Proven facts? Lol. Dude, we have all gone through the western schools and universities. Dont be rediculous. There are no proven facts, neither in theoretical physics - which IS a philosophy made in vatican, or fake history. Actually there are a lot of "Sciences" based on ancient philosophy and occultism.

So you are the dancing type. You are dancing to the tune. Interesting.

if u been to western schools then u also know the difference between

proven facts
theories
hypothesis

yeh dancing moves was years ago ( people still remember it)
same like my recent moves of eclipses and 6 standing questions ( members still remeber it and more moves are coming)

for you 2+2 = 4 is not a proven fact so cant help you apart from sympathy atleast i made u stand in the same row with all other eclipsers lmao (that was the topic)

winning MOVE is always very attractive.  :laugh:

Title: Re: Why the "Flat Earth Theory" is not so crazy anymore! Top 3 Proofs!
Post by: quincy on June 24, 2019, 02:48:04 AM
Here is a very good depiction of the whole Geocentric/Cosmic Egg Universe based on ancient scriptures (not only the semitic), mythologies, astrology and observation:

THE GEOCENTRIC UNIVERSE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN8TPxKNFUc)

Dont take all of his views and theories for granted, but the presented model is very similar to the description in the Qur'an and Bible.

This is only for those who are already convinced that they are not living on a spinning ball drifting in outer space, this might be too much for some - just dont watch and go on  :)