Free Minds

General Issues / Questions => Prophets and Messengers => Topic started by: 357 on December 22, 2015, 06:15:04 AM

Title: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: 357 on December 22, 2015, 06:15:04 AM
Just wondering his invention of the light bulb alone , giving humans light everywhere all over the world is tremendous let alone his other inventions , don't you think?

http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bledisonpatents.htm

 :hmm
Title: Why pay for electricity when you can generate it for free (from nature) ?!
Post by: hicham9 on December 22, 2015, 06:22:08 AM

Edison did not invent the light bulb, T (http://www.teslasociety.com/t2.jpg)esla did.
Title: Re: Why pay for electricity when you can generate it for free (from nature) ?!
Post by: 357 on December 22, 2015, 08:08:57 AM
Edison did not invent the light bulb, T (http://www.teslasociety.com/t2.jpg)esla did.

okay but does it really matter who it was , whoever it was did something beyond greats i think, what do you think?
Is there a messenger who has done something great that will benefit society for all times?

I cant think of any such thing! :-\ May be someone can show me the right road on this topic?  :pr
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: good logic on December 22, 2015, 08:19:39 AM
Peace 357.

You mean the light bulb is better than the "message" brought by these messengers?

I think the message is the" real everlasting light"!!!  like Qoran for example?

GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: HP_TECH on December 22, 2015, 08:28:12 AM
okay but does it really matter who it was , whoever it was did something beyond greats i think, what do you think?
Is there a messenger who has done something great that will benefit society for all times?

I cant think of any such thing! :-\ May be someone can show me the right road on this topic?  :pr
Do not be in doubt about your Lord nothing happens without the permission of God.
Above every man of knowledge there is God. Read in the Name of God 12:76
Read in the Name of God 57:22-23
No inventors nor prophets are responsible for the good that you benefit from but Allah.
Read in the Name of God 4:78-79

The comparison you are bringing for argument is comparable to what the disbelievers presented to the Messenger for argument 43:57-58

It is irrelevant they, we are all servants of God
Everyone will fulfill their duty, whether it is to earn His Mercy or become fuel for Gehenna

Hope this helped

Fear Allah if you are a believer
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: 357 on December 22, 2015, 08:56:36 AM
Peace 357.

You mean the light bulb is better than the "message" brought by these messengers?

I think the message is the" real everlasting light"!!!  like Qoran for example?

GOD bless you.
Peace.



presenting something to people who already believe in it isn't nothing spectacular surely and all government try to enforce good things - great, and governments come and go.

so what difference does any message make , there are good points and weak points in all messages, as in all communities.

this will carry on always, what community is outstanding in its accomplishments?

Tell us something any prophet has done which will match something like the light bulb please...........?
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: 357 on December 22, 2015, 09:00:10 AM
Do not be in doubt about your Lord nothing happens without the permission of God.
Above every man of knowledge there is God. Read in the Name of God 12:76
Read in the Name of God 57:22-23
No inventors nor prophets are responsible for the good that you benefit from but Allah.
Read in the Name of God 4:78-79

The comparison you are bringing for argument is comparable to what the disbelievers presented to the Messenger for argument 43:57-58

It is irrelevant they, we are all servants of God
Everyone will fulfill their duty, whether it is to earn His Mercy or become fuel for Gehenna

Hope this helped

Fear Allah if you are a believer

as you said we are each responsible for what we have done?

whether you serve krishna or allah or God is okay as long as you do things for goodness sake. :peace:
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: good logic on December 22, 2015, 09:11:03 AM
Peace 357.

You say: Tell us something any prophet has done which will match something like the light bulb please...........?

I say:It depends on one s priorities and needs? 

For me it is irrelevant what anyone else brings.

 What do I need to do for my salvation is my priority.

 Everything has been taught by GOD and belongs to GOD:
2:31
He taught Adam all the names* then presented them to the angels, saying, "Give me the names of these, if you are right."
وَعَلَّمَ ءادَمَ الأَسماءَ كُلَّها ثُمَّ عَرَضَهُم عَلَى المَلٰئِكَةِ فَقالَ أَنبِـٔونى بِأَسماءِ هٰؤُلاءِ إِن كُنتُم صٰدِقينَ

Bottom line, GOD has done it.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: hawk99 on December 22, 2015, 09:26:25 AM
Peace 357, so your point is inventions are more important than
moral guidance?


God bless




                    :peace:
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: huruf on December 22, 2015, 09:31:04 AM
So what is the purpose of this question? What can this question do

"which will match something like the light bulb please...........?"

and what can it do for us?

Is it a matter of putting up a monument to somebody? Is it a quizz whom would we like as a lover by the light of the bulb?
Is it a question as to whether we should worship the light bulb instead of God.

There are things which still leave me dumb founded.

Each person deserves praise for what she does does right and for the collective good. All comparisons are obnoxious, particularly when you compare things which are so dispar that the comparisonn does not serve any useful purpose.

May God reward those who work for humanity inventing things like the bulb and may God reward those who work for humanity bringing His message and living up to it, and may God reward also those who strive for good and about whom we know nothing at all. How would we compare the latter.

If there is a useful purpose for this question please explain, because I can't see it.

Salaam
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: HP_TECH on December 22, 2015, 09:39:24 AM
as you said we are each responsible for what we have done?

whether you serve krishna or allah or God is okay as long as you do things for goodness sake. :peace:
No, not in the sense that you are implying.
Did you read those Verses?

Allah is God I don't know why you are trying to make a distinction.
And what is goodness sake?
Even if you exceed in good deeds in this world, but you are not a believer
your deeds will be rendered in vain.
Again Read In the Name of God 5:5
If you read the Quran you would know that it is not deeds alone that salvation is contingent upon
Once again read In the Name of God 16:97

Actually read this time ok?

Do not simply make your own conclusion and associate pagan falsehood to God, ok?

Deliberately leaving Allah in lowercase letters when any educated person knows it is simply God in the Arabic language tells me you are just trolling, nonetheless READ.

Perhaps you will reason

Hope this helped
Title: Re: Why pay for electricity when you can generate it for free (from nature) ?!
Post by: Taro Hiroshi on December 22, 2015, 10:23:53 AM
Peace Hicham and everyone,

Edison did not invent the light bulb, T (http://www.teslasociety.com/t2.jpg)esla did.

Many fans of Nikola Tesla think that he was more brilliant than his contemporaries, including Thomas Edison and Alexander Graham bell. They think that he was far ahead of his contemporaries in the field of scientific development.

Personally, I don't like to compare the greatest scientists of the modern era with each other. And I think that all of them were good in different ways. It seems that all of them had different strengths and weaknesses. In my view, Nikola Tesla was a brilliant man. It seems that he labored hard for the advancement of humankind. And it seems that many of his visions became a reality.

I'd like to share a few quotes by Nikola Tesla here.

"The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence."

"All that was great in the past was ridiculed, condemned, combated, suppressed - only to emerge all the more powerfully, all the more triumphantly from the struggle."

"The scientific man does not aim at an immediate result. He does not expect that his advanced ideas will be readily taken up. His work is like that of the planter - for the future. His duty is to lay the foundation for those who are to come, and point the way."

"I do not think there is any thrill that can go through the human heart like that felt by the inventor as he sees some creation of the brain unfolding to success..."
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: HP_TECH on December 22, 2015, 11:26:50 AM
Peace Hicham and everyone,

Many fans of Nikola Tesla think that he was more brilliant than his contemporaries, including Thomas Edison and Alexander Graham bell. They think that he was far ahead of his contemporaries in the field of scientific development.

Personally, I don't like to compare the greatest scientists of the modern era with each other. And I think that all of them were good in different ways. It seems that all of them had different strengths and weaknesses. In my view, Nikola Tesla was a brilliant man. It seems that he labored hard for the advancement of humankind. And it seems that many of his visions became a reality.

I'd like to share a few quotes by Nikola Tesla here.

"The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence."

"All that was great in the past was ridiculed, condemned, combated, suppressed - only to emerge all the more powerfully, all the more triumphantly from the struggle."

"The scientific man does not aim at an immediate result. He does not expect that his advanced ideas will be readily taken up. His work is like that of the planter - for the future. His duty is to lay the foundation for those who are to come, and point the way."

"I do not think there is any thrill that can go through the human heart like that felt by the inventor as he sees some creation of the brain unfolding to success..."

Hi Taro,
That is not what the post asks.
Furthermore, we should steer away members from making foolish comparisons and encourage them to refer back to the Guidance of Allah
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: Taro Hiroshi on December 22, 2015, 12:00:45 PM
Hi HP_TECH,

That is not what the post asks.

I know. But since Hicham mentioned Nikola Tesla, I wanted to share some of my thoughts about him. Also, I wanted to share some quotes by him. I mentioned Thomas Edison in my post too. I don't think that my post was off-topic.

Quote
Furthermore, we should steer away members from making foolish comparisons and encourage them to refer back to the Guidance of Allah

I think that we can encourage other humans back to the Guidance of Allah. But I don't think that we can guide others. The Quran suggests that humans can't guide humans. According to the Quran, God is the only one who can guide humans.

Quran 28:56 You cannot guide whom you love. But it is God who guides whom He wills; and He is fully aware of those who receive the guidance.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: HP_TECH on December 22, 2015, 12:05:39 PM
@Taro
I see what you are saying, but I am not trying to guide anyone.
I am merely doing what is commanded by our Lord, we should all join together in forbidding the wrong and enjoying what is right. It is not an argument of guidance

Read in the Name of God 3:114
They believe in Allah and the Last Day, and they enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and hasten to good deeds. And those are among the righteous.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: Taro Hiroshi on December 22, 2015, 12:24:43 PM
Just wondering his invention of the light bulb alone , giving humans light everywhere all over the world is tremendous let alone his other inventions , don't you think?

http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bledisonpatents.htm

Yes, I think his invention is great. But in my view, Thomas Edison hasn't done more for the world than any apostle/messenger.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Egypt_Electric/Lamp01.jpg)

This is a picture of the Dendera light. Does the Dendera light depict a djed pillar and a lotus flower, with a snake within, which symbolizes aspects of Egyptian religion? Or is it an ancient light bulb?

I think it's worth pondering upon the above-mentioned questions. 

By the way, has anyone heard of (or studied) "The Electric Universe Theory"?
Title: Why is the light bulb the symbol of a new idea ?
Post by: hicham9 on December 22, 2015, 12:45:40 PM
Edison did not invent the light bulb, T (http://www.teslasociety.com/t2.jpg)esla did.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/0f/ee/e4/0feee41bf918a0284f04e79c5a0befa9.jpg)

Thomas Edison hasn't done more for the world than any apostle/messenger.

I concur.

Quote
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Egypt_Electric/Lamp01.jpg)

This is a picture of the Dendera light. Does the Dendera light depict a djed pillar and a lotus flower, with a snake within, which symbolizes aspects of Egyptian religion? Or is it an ancient light bulb?

I think it's worth pondering upon the above-mentioned questions.

Interesting, indeed.

Many fans of Nikola Tesla think that he was more brilliant than his contemporaries, including Thomas Edison and Alexander Graham bell. They think that he was far ahead of his contemporaries in the field of scientific development.

Personally, I don't like to compare the greatest scientists of the modern era with each other. And I think that all of them were good in different ways. It seems that all of them had different strengths and weaknesses. In my view, Nikola Tesla was a brilliant man. It seems that he labored hard for the advancement of humankind. And it seems that many of his visions became a reality.

I'd like to share a few quotes by Nikola Tesla here.

"The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence."

"All that was great in the past was ridiculed, condemned, combated, suppressed - only to emerge all the more powerfully, all the more triumphantly from the struggle."

"The scientific man does not aim at an immediate result. He does not expect that his advanced ideas will be readily taken up. His work is like that of the planter - for the future. His duty is to lay the foundation for those who are to come, and point the way."

"I do not think there is any thrill that can go through the human heart like that felt by the inventor as he sees some creation of the brain unfolding to success..."

Also, another observation of his :

The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.


Now, replace 'sane' with 'mslm' ('insane' with 'mgrm')

SLM
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: reel on December 22, 2015, 01:14:46 PM
Quote
Just wondering his invention of the light bulb alone , giving humans light everywhere all over the world is tremendous let alone his other inventions , don't you think?

What a scary thought!  :-\



This sums up everything he was.
Quote
When Thomas Edison wasn?t running around stealing inventions that weren?t his own, he was publicly electrocuting defenseless animals. He was trying to make Nikola Tesla?s Alternating Current (AC) look somehow more dangerous than his own Direct Current (DC). He would normally electrocute stray dogs and cats, but one time he got to fry an elephant.

Boing Boing has a link to a YouTube video of Edison?s elephant electrocution. I?m not into animal cruelty so I?m not posting a link to the video.

Not only was Thomas Edison a major asshole, he was wrong. AC voltage is no more dangerous than DC. It?s the current that is deadly. High voltage normally means high current. It doesn?t matter what version of voltage it is.
http://bentcorner.com/more-proof-thomas-edison-was-a-dick/
If you care about truth research more.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: hicham9 on December 22, 2015, 02:07:29 PM

(http://www.whale.to/c/10437665_284643955060203_2452057803528202018_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: 357 on December 22, 2015, 03:19:26 PM


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/moral

isn't morality part every community in every country - its something very common, some people
wear a burkha and some a skirt they all have a value system with respect to morality surely.

every body adheres to some form of rules, and each of us can decide which community we should be part of.

to see how these rules have benefited societies just look to their followers i am sure some have benefited more but what i was really trying to say is that this is normal in all societies moral guidance, but according to their own customs.

Looking at the benefits of a light bulb - how many times does each of us use one everyday?

similarly a lot of other things  have been brought about and those people although great are never mentioned amazing.

People who brought about the turban or not cutting a single hair on your body or always wearing a burkah (e.t.c) are praised reverenced as gods, while people who have invented great things to serve humanity are tossed to one side, that is a great wrong we are doing.

I think. :hypno:
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: Man of Faith on December 22, 2015, 03:43:18 PM
Quote
I think that we can encourage other humans back to the Guidance of Allah. But I don't think that we can guide others.

Of course we can guide someone. But we can be good or bad guides.

Be safe
Amenuel
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: reel on December 23, 2015, 05:00:50 AM
Which person deserves most honor?
A) A person who fights for justice by risking his own life 
B) Someone who invents something sitting in a comfy room

I do admit that scientists have given a lot to world, but they can't be really placed next to or above prophets.


Quote
Looking at the benefits of a light bulb - how many times does each of us use one everyday?
Is light bulb more valuable than a human life? Today I am alive because of the Prophets. Infanticide was prevalent in many places at the time. Female babies were more at risk.

Quote
People who brought about the turban or not cutting a single hair on your body or always wearing a burkah (e.t.c) are praised reverenced as gods, while people who have invented great things to serve humanity are tossed to one side, that is a great wrong we are doing.
What I wonder is whether anyone here is angry at the invention of light bulbs. If there is one please people let me know.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: Invalid777 on December 23, 2015, 05:27:29 AM
Half of India's 1 billion population have no access to toilets. Prophets spread the natural system of The GOD and stand against tyrants. Something as basic as a toilet is unavailable to almost 500 million in just one country. The inventor can't fix that.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: Man of Faith on December 23, 2015, 06:14:52 AM
Half of India's 1 billion population have no access to toilets. Prophets spread the natural system of The GOD and stand against tyrants. Something as basic as a toilet is unavailable to almost 500 million in just one country. The inventor can't fix that.

A grand majority of people did not understand the prophets anyway so what is the deal?

They only remember some commandments they do not follow anyway and some they corrupted into Pagan worship.

Be safe
Amenuel
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: huruf on December 23, 2015, 06:55:41 AM
So what is the purpose of this question? What can this question do

"which will match something like the light bulb please...........?"

and what can it do for us?

Is it a matter of putting up a monument to somebody? Is it a quizz whom would we like as a lover by the light of the bulb?
Is it a question as to whether we should worship the light bulb instead of God.

There are things which still leave me dumb founded.

Each person deserves praise for what she does does right and for the collective good. All comparisons are obnoxious, particularly when you compare things which are so dispar that the comparisonn does not serve any useful purpose.

May God reward those who work for humanity inventing things like the bulb and may God reward those who work for humanity bringing His message and living up to it, and may God reward also those who strive for good and about whom we know nothing at all. How would we compare the latter.

If there is a useful purpose for this question please explain, because I can't see it.

Salaam

I asked i a revious message what the purpose of tht question is?

What is it? Is this forum to bestow some medal to only one f themand we must make a choice?

What do we have to decide such a question for. Each person does whatever she is best at. There are bus drivers, clowns who make people laugh...why of all should such a silly comparison be made? Is a other who bears a child worse than Edison? Did Edison or anybody else make himself?

Agai what is the urpose of this question?

Salaam
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: good logic on December 23, 2015, 07:21:18 AM
Peace .
Huruf, like you,I wonder about most of the questions and the statistics of the votes that 357 asks in his threads?

I keep thinking does the question imply that we idolise prophets? Or should we idolise Thomas Madison instead?

May be our priorities are mixed up and the threads are supposed to guide us?

Only the author of these threads knows why the questions are asked and why collect the statistics or does he?

Let us see if there is an answer?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: savage_carrot on December 23, 2015, 08:21:05 AM
Quote
Agai what is the urpose of this question?
Quote
Only the author of these threads knows why the questions are asked and why collect the statistics or does he?
There's little to no mystery as to why this question and others like it are asked. It's a recurring theme with the author: so called divinity and associated stuff is kinda sorta awful and man does it much better. The only mystery is why Edison was chosen. Man does not live by electricity alone after all since only androids dream of electric sheep. Perhaps, the lightbulb holds symbolic importance, like an Eureka Archimedes moment, or maybe an A-ha (haha?) one? Or could it be a gentle nudge in the direction of eco-living and pondering our carbon footprint? All questions of worth that we should devote much wattage of brain power on unless the next thread or post involves a virtual boxing ring with actual Edison Vs. Jesus action. I'd be there in a heartbeat, who wouldn't?

(https://discernimentocristao.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/jesus-boxer.jpg)

Then again...Edison's boxing cats? Jesus Vs. Cats? There is no limit to how good it can get.

(http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/52700725eab8eaac66416a5f-480/boxing-cats.jpg)

So, there you have it 357.  :!'s for what next. In anticipation of what I'd rather like to see I almost forgot...the answer to the question posed could be apples and oranges or in other words, we don't really know, or perhaps we all have our parts to play like cogs in the machine or bricks in the wall...looking forward to an actual comparison with solid factors for both, taking into account all the effects etc good and bad through the ages in detail because otherwise we'll never really know the truth. Or Jesus Vs. Cats, I'm not picky.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: good logic on December 23, 2015, 09:27:17 AM
Peace.

I have seen the light.I think I know the answer, but first:

1- How many Moderators does it take to change a light bulb ?

Two. One to change the bulb and the other to send out a rejection order for the post about the "light bulb joke" ! 

2-Q: What did the light bulb say to the generator?

A: "I really get a charge out of you!"

What Thomas Edison's Mother might have said to her son:
"Of course I'm proud that you invented the electric light bulb. Now turn it off and get to bed!"

Sign on on the side of the electrician?s van ? ?Let Us Get Rid of Your Shorts?.

At the electric company: "We would be delighted if you send in your bill. However, if you don't, you will be."

Q: What is an electrician's favorite ice cream flavor?

A: Shock-o-lot!

 3- Carry on with the jokes,until one of them answers the question?:

Two atoms were walking down the street one day, when one of them exclaimed, "Oh no - I've lost an electron!" "Are you sure?" the other one asked. "Yes," replied the first one, "I'm positive."

Q: Why are electricians always up to date?
 A: Because they are "Current specialists".

Q: How do you pick out a dead battery from a pile of good ones?
 A: It's got no spark!

Q: What would you call a power failure?
 A: A current event

 Sorry, I  will  need to ponder the question a bit more.
GOD bless.
Peace.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: good logic on December 23, 2015, 09:45:15 AM
Peace .

OK, Idid some pondering.

 Electricity and electrical gadgets has been nothing but trouble,  it plays havoc with everything!!, Quote:

If a transient hits a pocket on a socket on a port
 And the bus is interrupted at a very last resort
 And the access of the memory makes your floppy disc abort
 Then the shocked packet pocket has an error to report.

 If your cursor finds a menu item followed by a dash
 And the double-clicking icon puts your window in the trash
 And your data is corrupted 'cause the index doesn't hash
 Then your situations' hopeless and your system's gonna crash.

 If the label on the cable on the table at your house
 Says the network is connected to the button on your mouse
 But your packets want to tunnel to another protocol
 That's repeatedly rejected by the printer down the hall
 And your screen is all distorted by the side effects of gauss
 So your icons in the window are as fickle as a grouse
 Then you may as well reboot and go out with a bang
 'cuz sure as I'm a poet, the sucker's gonna hang.


Any answers out there?

GOD bless.
Peace.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: 357 on December 23, 2015, 12:43:56 PM
Half of India's 1 billion population have no access to toilets. Prophets spread the natural system of The GOD and stand against tyrants. Something as basic as a toilet is unavailable to almost 500 million in just one country. The inventor can't fix that.

well really  "the inventor didn't fix that" didn't he? billions have it!

There are more moral guides in india then any other country on earth - i reckon, yet india is so far back from society of so many other countries, so the question what do they need, a few more moral guides or people who would provide service to fulfill their basic needs if nothing else?

we need to provide things and services to cater others needs..............surely.

Isn't that what the advanced countries are doing, so their populations are not deprived of basic necessities for a goodly life.  :confused:
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: HP_TECH on December 23, 2015, 01:26:30 PM
well really  "the inventor didn't fix that" didn't he? billions have it!

There are more moral guides in india then any other country on earth - i reckon, yet india is so far back from society of so many other countries, so the question what do they need, a few more moral guides or people who would provide service to fulfill their basic needs if nothing else?

we need to provide things and services to cater others needs..............surely.

Isn't that what the advanced countries are doing, so their populations are not deprived of basic necessities for a goodly life.  :confused:

Your arguments are so full of fallacies that it is about someone stops you. I don't know how you have managed to attract so many people to debate on this topic when it's obviously a troll trap.
I gave you sour answer before Any good that you incur is from GOD point blank. Revelation, Guidance electricity, water, food, wife, children, vision, health even the device you are typing on and the sleep you get at night  ALL from The Absoute One.
Your topic is irrelevant from the standpoint of a believer.


Then let me address your last and hope final erroneous generalized statement.
we need to provide things and services to cater others needs..............surely.

Isn't that what the advanced countries are doing, so their populations are not deprived of basic necessities for a goodly life.  :confused:

I live in what is supposed to be an advanced country there are millions deprived of basic necessity you know why, because of the lack of morality from those in power and not enough readily available compassionate everyday people.
There is aboundance of money spent on military research, that's where are your inventors are FOOL, devising the new best cheapest lethal weapons etcc.. There is not enough spent on caring for the poor
Or innovations made to cater for them.

FOOD for thought .... Don't choke on it

Jana
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: huruf on December 23, 2015, 02:12:48 PM
A troll indeed, but at least we have had some good jokes, thanks for that good logic.

Salaam
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: hawk99 on December 23, 2015, 02:23:15 PM
Peace, what 357 neglects is that God gave Edison life, eyesight, intellect,
health and opportunity, rendering such questions as short-sighted and
intellectually immature, but qualifying for a response from forum members.



                    :peace:
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: 357 on December 23, 2015, 03:16:36 PM
Arnt there enough moral guides in india (leave the world aside) , sikhs, hindus Muslims e.t.c

to make the people less deprived of basic necessities ? If you are saying No, then i don't have an argument.

If there are enough there , then why the deprivation? please can you/ anyone explain you are all very gifted and believers.

Unlike Uk where in comparison the deprivation doesn't exist to that extreme - i think. I have been living here most of my life.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: HP_TECH on December 23, 2015, 03:44:54 PM
Do ppl need any type of guidance or THE proper guidance?
The ultimate goal in existence is immaterial, the attainment of God's Mercy on The Last Day.
Tell me how toilets and electricity play a role in that.............
Or any other material innovation which is just a temporary Mercy from The Lord's Infinte Bounty?
Even knowledge is a material acquisition. You can see the most knowledgable turn old and forget how to even dress, eat, use the bathroom. The Quran speaks of those who will have forgotten themselves but Gid will show them everything they did. You will see that no one owns even one single membrane on a date seed. All belongs to Allah. Everything.
Your question is futile your concern with the material shows you are again feeling trollacious or not serious
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: Jafar on December 23, 2015, 04:31:56 PM
The entire goal of living this current life on earth is to prepare ourselves for the eternal life after we die.
The life on this earth doesn't matter at all it's the life after this life that is matter.


Such was the 'outlook', the 'thought' that was set forth and founded firmly by the Ancient Egyptian.
And it indeed spread wide and far..

They spent nearly 80% more of their resources (wealth, time).. in preparation for their own after life.
They spent 90% of their studying and research effort... on Gods, Deities and After Life. (As thus "THEOLOGY" was born)
They believe rituals and mantras can influence the Gods, Deities thus securing their after life..

Their King build gigantic (useless) building..for the sake of their own after life.
Their wealthy classes bought $200K holy book, believed to be authored by the God(s).. for the sake of their own after life.
Their peasantry classes work hard night and day for the sake of the noble and wealthy's after life.
Their priestly classes earn so much money because of the society's extreme fetishes on after life.

So.. using the mindset set forth by the Ancient Egyptians..

YES .. any prophet. messenger from God(s) and also the priest has done more good to the society compared to those who merely discovered electricity, light bulb, electronics, mobile communication, quantum physics, cure for cancer, cure for AIDS, cure for Ebola, Antibiotics and other "worldly" stuff.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: good logic on December 23, 2015, 04:59:36 PM
Peace 357.

How about this parable for an answer to the question:

? Q:  How many gifted believers does it take to change a light bulb ?
 A:  None. "Why should we impose our values on the light bulb ? If it wishes to be a light bulb of no light, we should respect its uniqueness and individuality


GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: HP_TECH on December 23, 2015, 06:45:31 PM
Peace 357.

How about this parable for an answer to the question:

? Q:  How many gifted believers does it take to change a light bulb ?
 A:  None. "Why should we impose our values on the light bulb ? If it wishes to be a light bulb of no light, we should respect its uniqueness and individuality


GOD bless you.
Peace.

That is good logic! (Hehe see what I did there  ::))Absolutely right!
I rest my case here and I have turned away from this fellow(357 that is)
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: savage_carrot on December 24, 2015, 01:36:30 AM
The entire goal of living this current life on earth is to prepare ourselves for the eternal life after we die.
The life on this earth doesn't matter at all it's the life after this life that is matter.


Such was the 'outlook', the 'thought' that was set forth and founded firmly by the Ancient Egyptian.
And it indeed spread wide and far..

They spent nearly 80% more of their resources (wealth, time).. in preparation for their own after life.
They spent 90% of their studying and research effort... on Gods, Deities and After Life. (As thus "THEOLOGY" was born)
They believe rituals and mantras can influence the Gods, Deities thus securing their after life..

Their King build gigantic (useless) building..for the sake of their own after life.
Their wealthy classes bought $200K holy book, believed to be authored by the God(s).. for the sake of their own after life.
Their peasantry classes work hard night and day for the sake of the noble and wealthy's after life.
Their priestly classes earn so much money because of the society's extreme fetishes on after life.

So.. using the mindset set forth by the Ancient Egyptians..

YES .. any prophet. messenger from God(s) and also the priest has done more good to the society compared to those who merely discovered electricity, light bulb, electronics, mobile communication, quantum physics, cure for cancer, cure for AIDS, cure for Ebola, Antibiotics and other "worldly" stuff.

It's good to know then, that the quran seems unique in that it's a reminder towards balance, this life and the next and thus by extension any prophet/messenger from God. 24:55, 16:30, etc...
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: Jafar on December 24, 2015, 09:54:21 AM
It's good to know then, that the quran seems unique in that it's a reminder towards balance, this life and the next and thus by extension any prophet/messenger from God. 24:55, 16:30, etc...

The counter balance to AE's "Death Cult" and it's holy book "The Book Of The Dead" (Which come in many version depending on one's temple / cult) was actually their 'offshoot culture'; the Torah + Tanakh by the Israelite who once served as slaves within AE's civilization. The books within the bundle focus entire on LIFE without ever mentioning AFTER LIFE.
It talks about Justice, Compassion/Mercy, Patience / perseverance, Humility/Humbleness, Agriculture mechanism etc...

Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: good logic on December 24, 2015, 10:44:45 AM
Peace Jafar.

Those who follow the "book of the dead" must be zombies brought to this life to haunt those who do not want any books? Or even parrots and dogs!!!

Jafar, just to stay on topic, I will tell you a story from "the book of the dead":
Jesus and the flashlight
A burglar broke into a house one night. He shined his flashlight
around, looking for valuables, and when he picked up a CD player to
place in his sack, a strange, disembodied voice echoed from the dark
saying, "Jesus is watching you."
He nearly jumped out of his skin, clicked his flashlight out, and
froze. When he heard nothing more after a bit, he shook his head,
promised himself a vacation after the next big score, then clicked
the light back on and began searching for more valuables. Just as
he pulled the stereo out so he could disconnect the wires, clear as
a bell he heard, "Jesus is watching you."
Freaked out, he shined his light around frantically, looking for the
source of the voice. Finally, in the corner of the room, his
flashlight beam came to rest on a parrot. "Did you say that?" He
hissed at the parrot.
"Yep," the parrot confessed, then squawked, "I'm just trying to warn
you."
The burglar relaxed. "Warn me, huh? Who in the world are you?"
"Moses," replied the bird.
"Moses?" the burglar laughed. "What kind of stupid people would name
a parrot Moses?"
The bird promptly answered, "Probably the same kind of people that
would name a Rotweiller "Jesus"!

GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: Jafar on December 24, 2015, 12:11:50 PM
Peace Jafar.

Those who follow the "book of the dead" must be zombies brought to this life to haunt those who do not want any books? Or even parrots and dogs!!!

The "book of the dead" was not titled as "book of the dead".
The actual title was:
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRAQRE3OtB8ePbQOKBxcbQDp9p1nyKVuZ30yTRgCgnVDMKDSbqC)

It was the product of AE's Priest / Temple, claimed to be authored by the Gods and enforced to be believed upon the populace by the Pharaoh.

The usual 'scheme'.. similar to it's successor products, TANAKH, GOSPEL or Quran.

If you call to those who believe in such books as Zombies.. I disagree..
They're human being, just like you and me..

Commoners who were conned by the priest and the Pharaoh/King/Caliph/Emperor.... perhaps...


Jafar, just to stay on topic, I will tell you a story from "the book of the dead":
Jesus and the flashlight
A burglar broke into a house one night. He shined his flashlight
around, looking for valuables, and when he picked up a CD player to
place in his sack, a strange, disembodied voice echoed from the dark
saying, "Jesus is watching you."
He nearly jumped out of his skin, clicked his flashlight out, and
froze. When he heard nothing more after a bit, he shook his head,
promised himself a vacation after the next big score, then clicked
the light back on and began searching for more valuables. Just as
he pulled the stereo out so he could disconnect the wires, clear as
a bell he heard, "Jesus is watching you."
Freaked out, he shined his light around frantically, looking for the
source of the voice. Finally, in the corner of the room, his
flashlight beam came to rest on a parrot. "Did you say that?" He
hissed at the parrot.
"Yep," the parrot confessed, then squawked, "I'm just trying to warn
you."
The burglar relaxed. "Warn me, huh? Who in the world are you?"
"Moses," replied the bird.
"Moses?" the burglar laughed. "What kind of stupid people would name
a parrot Moses?"
The bird promptly answered, "Probably the same kind of people that
would name a Rotweiller "Jesus"!

Those story are nowhere to be found within the Ancient Egyptian's book of the dead.
There are no Jesus, Moses or whomever..

The book told stories of the "Journey of the Soul" after their death..
And contains spell and mantra, to be recited by the soul to earn his salvation as he or she went through the journey.

The book was priced at around $ 200 K, roughly 4 years salary of Ancient Egyptian's government official.
Yet many did bought the book, as they believed the holy book is ESSENTIAL for their salvation.

This is the oldest conception of "Salvation through holy book" and "God is authoring a book" ever appeared in the human history.

A concept which shall be copied by their neighboring and succeeding civilization (Israelites)

Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: good logic on December 24, 2015, 01:34:55 PM
Peace Jafar.

You mean this book of the dead?:

The ?book? is usually a roll of papyrus with lots and lots of spells written on it in hieroglyphic script. They usually have beautiful coloured illustrations as well. They would have been quite expensive so only wealthy, high-status people would have had them. Depending on how rich you were, you could either go along and buy a ready-made papyrus which would have blank spaces for your name to be written in, or you could spend a bit more and probably choose which spells you wanted.

Some of the spells are to make sure you can control your own body after death. The ancient Egyptians believed that a person was made up of different elements: body, spirit, name, heart, they?re all embodiments of a person, and they were afraid that these elements would disperse when you died. So there are a lot of spells to make sure you don?t lose your head or your heart, that your body doesn?t decay, as well as other spells about keeping alive by breathing air, having water to drink, having food to eat.

There are also spells about protecting yourself because the ancient Egyptians expected to be attacked on the journey to the afterlife by snakes, crocodiles, insects ? an idea very much based on the threats they knew in real life only much more frightening and much more dangerous.


OK, there was no Moses or Jesus or parrots or dogs...Mine was a different "book of the dead", here is another quote from it:

I typed 'Hell' instead of 'Hull' into my Sat-Nav.

 I still got there.


Sorry 357 about the off topic. I will stop.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: HP_TECH on December 24, 2015, 02:27:39 PM
(http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/03/Trollers-gonna-troll-GIF.gif?gs=a)
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: Man of Faith on December 24, 2015, 03:21:50 PM
The "book of the dead" was not titled as "book of the dead".
The actual title was:
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRAQRE3OtB8ePbQOKBxcbQDp9p1nyKVuZ30yTRgCgnVDMKDSbqC)

It was the product of AE's Priest / Temple, claimed to be authored by the Gods and enforced to be believed upon the populace by the Pharaoh.

The usual 'scheme'.. similar to it's successor products, TANAKH, GOSPEL or Quran.

If you call to those who believe in such books as Zombies.. I disagree..
They're human being, just like you and me..

Commoners who were conned by the priest and the Pharaoh/King/Caliph/Emperor.... perhaps...


Those story are nowhere to be found within the Ancient Egyptian's book of the dead.
There are no Jesus, Moses or whomever..

The book told stories of the "Journey of the Soul" after their death..
And contains spell and mantra, to be recited by the soul to earn his salvation as he or she went through the journey.

The book was priced at around $ 200 K, roughly 4 years salary of Ancient Egyptian's government official.
Yet many did bought the book, as they believed the holy book is ESSENTIAL for their salvation.

This is the oldest conception of "Salvation through holy book" and "God is authoring a book" ever appeared in the human history.

A concept which shall be copied by their neighboring and succeeding civilization (Israelites)

I think the Greek translation of the original text (I doubt they spoke Greek natively) accompanying the Gospels in the "New Testament" is improperly done. The concept of a physical son does not really suit from what one can read, particularly from a scripture that is not hedonistic. Jesus did also differ between "son of man" and "son of God" in it. It appears that he refers to the bodily and spiritual part of a human.

Just as Jesus analogized God/Rabb into 'Father', obviously it may be so that "son" is also not literally implied.

As I take it, "begotten son" as the text seems to say appears to mean this man was born completely enlightened from birth. Since reincarnation is a true concept and the Spirit is kind of eternal, Jesus may have been a successful person/soul (nafs) previously and thus born in an advantageous condition, making him the Messiah. If he had not previously been tested in any life, Jesus could hardly have received the unfair condition of innate enlightenment. It does not add up. God is not unfair or it would not be a perfect God and even a good human would be a better deity. Thus "begotten son" has multiple contradictions.

As for "son of God", we all are "children of the Father" as long as we grow into this condition and no one is exclusively God's son thus. As Jesus mentioned, one has to tend to the cultivation so that the thistles do not choke the delicate plant.

The (sectarian) doctrine of Christianity, just as Judaism and Islam, is based on Pagan misconception of old and henceforth the God phenomenon is utterly hedonistic. Just as the ancient Egyptians, these people dealt in physical deities and the only difference with Christianity, Judaism and Islam is that they exclusively revere just their deity rather than getting combined in the "Father" as the original Mosaic teaching proclaimed. It is evident and a remnant of the truth in the Mosaic event when "God" utters to Moses: "I am who am I". No one appears to understand that the God concept follows a symbiotic principle just like in Hinduism and Buddhism where you are to become complete in God (Brahman). It is further manifested when Jesus is said to have uttered: "I am in the Father and the Father in me", basically saying exactly the same thing as God to Moses except that in Jesus' case he is already in unity rather than being enlightened by the Father as in Moses' case.

Strangely, when then suddenly Quran appears then this concept is changed into hardcore Pagan worship for no reason as Quran is supposed to be a successor to the Injeel/Gospel. Quran's (interpretation) is utterly misplaced somehow almost even worse than the Old Testament.

The Gospels do not affirm a Pagan religion, it is just the flimsy interpretations by the Christian clergymen which do. It is implicit that Jesus avoids to use the word God in the Gospels but rather try to make God less distant and cruel. I interpret the saying: "Give back to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and give back to God what belongs to God" as a subtle sarcasm of Paganistic worship. And in the Gospels, Jesus associates himself with God more in line with Hinduism and Buddhism. It is no big surprise since association with God is just what a person is supposed to do in order to progress spiritually.

Like you mentioned in a previous post, Gnosticism is a bridge between these East Asian faiths and the Abrahamic faiths.

The Biblical Gospels are actually rebellious towards the Judaic and Islamic faiths and why either the people reject Jesus (Jews) or corrupt his words such as the interpreters of Quran did. If a real prophet came today he would continue to oppose sectarian Judaism but would also attack Islam as religions much like Jesus did. This is because Islam and Judaism, the religions, actually stem out of the same Paganism as the ancient Egyptians believed in. If a prophet came to people he would also either expose Quran or find that the interpretation is utterly wrong, but most importantly he would offer an alternative. Show the clean water rather than excessively highlight the dirty water as some wise person mentioned. One should not deal in used wineskin when there is new around.

Be safe
Amenuel
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: 357 on December 24, 2015, 03:54:49 PM
The entire goal of living this current life on earth is to prepare ourselves for the eternal life after we die.
The life on this earth doesn't matter at all it's the life after this life that is matter.


Such was the 'outlook', the 'thought' that was set forth and founded firmly by the Ancient Egyptian.
And it indeed spread wide and far..

They spent nearly 80% more of their resources (wealth, time).. in preparation for their own after life.
They spent 90% of their studying and research effort... on Gods, Deities and After Life. (As thus "THEOLOGY" was born)
They believe rituals and mantras can influence the Gods, Deities thus securing their after life..

Their King build gigantic (useless) building..for the sake of their own after life.
Their wealthy classes bought $200K holy book, believed to be authored by the God(s).. for the sake of their own after life.
Their peasantry classes work hard night and day for the sake of the noble and wealthy's after life.
Their priestly classes earn so much money because of the society's extreme fetishes on after life.

So.. using the mindset set forth by the Ancient Egyptians..

YES .. any prophet. messenger from God(s) and also the priest has done more good to the society compared to those who merely discovered electricity, light bulb, electronics, mobile communication, quantum physics, cure for cancer, cure for AIDS, cure for Ebola, Antibiotics and other "worldly" stuff.

Good stuff.

Rather then focussing on the actual problems of everyday.....they focus on other things which sometimes don't change an i.o.ta. i think.

 :peace: All.

Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: 357 on December 24, 2015, 03:56:19 PM
The counter balance to AE's "Death Cult" and it's holy book "The Book Of The Dead" (Which come in many version depending on one's temple / cult) was actually their 'offshoot culture'; the Torah + Tanakh by the Israelite who once served as slaves within AE's civilization. The books within the bundle focus entire on LIFE without ever mentioning AFTER LIFE.
It talks about Justice, Compassion/Mercy, Patience / perseverance, Humility/Humbleness, Agriculture mechanism etc...

Isn't that what the Quran is basically doing? Accept it may also be implying that those are the things that lead to eternal paradise or something.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: Invalid777 on December 24, 2015, 05:23:56 PM
Post moved
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: amin on December 24, 2015, 07:38:29 PM
The "book of the dead" was not titled as "book of the dead".
The actual title was:
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRAQRE3OtB8ePbQOKBxcbQDp9p1nyKVuZ30yTRgCgnVDMKDSbqC)

It was the product of AE's Priest / Temple, claimed to be authored by the Gods and enforced to be believed upon the populace by the Pharaoh.

The usual 'scheme'.. similar to it's successor products, TANAKH, GOSPEL or Quran.

If you call to those who believe in such books as Zombies.. I disagree..
They're human being, just like you and me..

Commoners who were conned by the priest and the Pharaoh/King/Caliph/Emperor.... perhaps...


Those story are nowhere to be found within the Ancient Egyptian's book of the dead.
There are no Jesus, Moses or whomever..

The book told stories of the "Journey of the Soul" after their death..
And contains spell and mantra, to be recited by the soul to earn his salvation as he or she went through the journey.

The book was priced at around $ 200 K, roughly 4 years salary of Ancient Egyptian's government official.
Yet many did bought the book, as they believed the holy book is ESSENTIAL for their salvation.

This is the oldest conception of "Salvation through holy book" and "God is authoring a book" ever appeared in the human history.

A concept which shall be copied by their neighboring and succeeding civilization (Israelites)


Do you think your statements are 100% true?
Even 100 years history is doubtful how can we be so sure that 90% of their time ancient egyptians spent on gods. The reality as we know is some of them had built  buildings that lasts for so many thousands of years.

Even now people cheats in the name of religion, myth, magic, unknown concepts  and I agree it should be happening then too, even now buildings are built to show  money power and wealth and for some other reasons too. So Lets not do little everything our ancestors did without knowing much. They should have their own reasons which we do not know or which we find it ritualistic now. I find many modern writers writing so much about ancient mythology and magic which i think is mostly out of  ignorance on why and what happened then, since we only know very little on how they communicated.

why we need to compare buddha or mohammed to edison? each has done whats known best to them and people respect comes from the goodness they get from each. Prophet Mohammed has brought the ONE God concept and his life and messages was respected by many more than what Edison or any inventor's inventions. It shows what people wanted. This is also not permanent, everything has ups and downs good and bad in them, things will keep changing that looks to be the only  rule of this universe.

Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: csmith on January 07, 2016, 05:51:18 PM
The prophets were mere messengers. Their purpose was to deliver a message. They delivered it. You may think that lightbulbs are more valuable to humanity than guidance on how to enter eternal paradise - avoiding eternal damnation - but I'd rather use candles and go to Heaven.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: Man of Faith on January 10, 2016, 02:10:18 PM
The word for prophet in Arabic, Nabi, means insightful. They are spiritual instructors and not some mere mailman. Rasuul means a person who gives directions and the object is a direction. It could be translated as instructor because they are an object of imitation.

In elder times a messenger was called Rasuul in Arabic because this person imitates the person who sends the message, i.e. their exact words and thus this person is a Rasuul. It has a wider application though and it is actually the imitation that is Rasuul. If you play a guitar and a person is to repeat your guitar picking then you were Rasuul as he is to imitate you.

In Quranic context it refers to that a Rasuul's follower is supposed to live like him because he imitates Allah. Then that person is the follower's Rasuul (imitation).

This can be confirmed by studying an ancient classical Arabic lexicon.

But primarily a prophet is supposed to help others help themselves, and that by insightful input which causes the other person to reflect upon what they have said. Prophets primarily do not order people around but elaborate on why a person should not do a particular thing, i.e. offer advise and a deeper philosophical background. Prophets are also a source of practical information, intricate information about the nature of God and so on.

Jesus tried in many ways to explain that one should be one with God and so much that the concept of being in Rabb and the Rabb in you. In truth he reveals the entire symbiotic relationship between Creator and Creation in unity. But how many people reflect upon that? Such things a prophet tells.

But every prophet that orders rites and rituals is a false prophet. The whole concept of focal point is a violation of the second commandment in the Torah, i.e no image of anything from Heaven or Earth in worship. This is because the Rabb stems from within the self, our Grand Consciousness. You have no purpose in worshiping at all. It is a remnant from Paganism.

Because God stems from within you, you can merely think your message across to God and it is enough. Appreciation you show by living thereafter.

Which employee is best? One that wastes hours at work admiring the boss and then uses the rest for work or the employee which is silent but uses his full time on what he is supposed to do?

Is it not the employee that does his work throughly that honors the boss the most?

Be safe
Amenuel
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: csmith on January 18, 2016, 04:28:07 AM
Man of Faith, this is an Islamic forum, based on the Quran alone. The Quran states that Mohammed was a mere messenger. I accept that. You may not, but that is not relevant here.


Nothing "imitates Allah". There are none like unto Him. Again, you may think the opposite of what the Quran makes clear, but that is not relevant here. You can confirm there are none like unto Allah by reading the Quran. No "ancient classical Arabic lexicon" is required.


Prophets bring a message from Allah. That is the function of a prophet. How could Mohammed possibly "offer advise and a deeper philosophical background" or any of the other things you claimed when we have no idea what he taught? We only have the Quran. Everything else is lost to history.


You make claims about Jesus that are blasphemous and don't belong here. There is absolutely no "symbiotic relationship between Creation and Creator", except in your own religion that is offensive to Muslims. Allah does not depend on anything. He has no need of the worlds. To assert that your god depends on Creation demonstrates that you do not believe in Allah. You believe in some non-god that is really just us from a different perspective. As you put it, "God stems from within" us.


Nothing could be more fundamentally at odds with Islam than your attempts to explain Allah away as an illusion.


You seem to think you are some kind of prophet, here to teach us your new religion. Your religion is a lie. Allah is real. He exists in His own capacity. He has no need of us. He does not stem from us. He is not one with us.


I understand that you believe in your religion, and that you are only too happy to offer your reasoning, at length, without being asked for it. You don't seem to understand that we are Muslims, and this is a forum for discussion of our religion, not yours. Your religion is offensive and of no interest to Muslims.


Show a little respect please.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: Man of Faith on January 18, 2016, 10:13:33 AM
I know it is a Quranic forum and this is why I am here and teaching about what it says.

You are deceived by a Pagan sect that hijacked Quran and derived a bogus interpretation from it.

What you and others believe is false and you are supposed to be one with Rabb and to be independent and strong in Spirit and truly exist consciously. The way there is to imitate the Rabb's completeness and separate yourself from the body which is not the real you. It is pretty simple actually.

Is it not better to be offended than utterly go blind to what you really are?

Be safe,
Amenuel
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: csmith on January 19, 2016, 09:46:43 AM
You keep telling us that we are wrong. It would make no difference if we were. You believe what you believe, and we believe what we believe, but the forum is for discussing what we believe, Quranism. Your religion is not Quranism. Even if you think your beliefs are correct, and that Quranism has it wrong, this is not the place to preach your faith.


You call our faith a "Pagan sect that hijacked Quran and derived bogus interpretation from it". You surely understand that it is against community rules to make such offensive statements. You described Allah as having a "symbiotic relationship" with Creation. It is deeply offensive to assert that Allah depends on Creation as Creation depends on Allah. These are not just alien ideas; they attack the most fundamental beliefs in Islam.


If we allow people to use the forum to promote original research that is offensive to Muslims, it is not a forum for discussion of Quranism. It is a free-for-all, where people are literally welcome to attack Islamic beliefs.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: Man of Faith on January 19, 2016, 11:29:26 AM
Instead of being offended you may contemplate on it instead.

If you like sectarianistic terms that stands for you but I am an adherent to Quran.

You have obviously not understood in full what it is that I talk about due to your sensitivity to association with God. God is not dependent on creations but God is the Platform of life. Everything depends on that union and can merge with God or choose to treat God separately which is a Pagan perception. It is though most important what one does with their life.

No matter what you do Rabb is always greater than you, but the misconception is that one cannot associate themselves with Him.

Your personal goal is to grow as independent in mind as possible because that is when you use the superior Spirit of God rather than just being an instinctive beast.

Be safe
Amenuel
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: HP_TECH on January 19, 2016, 12:01:32 PM

No matter what you do Rabb is always greater than you, but the misconception is that one cannot associate themselves with Him.

No Man smith is absolutely right.
You are in the misconception that you can associate yourself with God.
You have gone astray.
Furthermore there is no support for what you are saying from Our Lord's ayaahs
So please stop pretending that you are adherent to Quran.
The Quran states very clearly that if you associate anything with God you will be lost.
You are a slave by all means God is free of the Worlds.

You have not showed any ayyahs or evidence from the Quran.
That makes you a conjecturer at the least
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: Bender on January 19, 2016, 12:57:01 PM

In truth he reveals the entire symbiotic relationship between Creator and Creation in unity. But how many people reflect upon that? Such things a prophet tells.

Be safe
Amenuel

Hi Amenuel,

RED: Imo it did not make Him more or less God when you were not, and it will also not make Him more or less God when you are not. BUT only because of Him you are something.
With other words I do not understand this symbiotic relationship. Can you explain in what way He depends on us? Or one example where you think that He would be helpless without us or an example where He needs us.

Salaam,
Bender
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: reel on January 26, 2016, 05:29:00 PM
Quote
What you and others believe is false and you are supposed to be one with Rabb and to be independent and strong in Spirit and truly exist consciously. The way there is to imitate the Rabb's completeness and separate yourself from the body which is not the real you. It is pretty simple actually.

Bro, how far are you in your kundalini meditation? I mean has the serpent started rising? What you preach will be most favored by sufis. I don't think we are your suitable students.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: Man of Faith on January 27, 2016, 01:17:17 AM
Quote
Bro, how far are you in your kundalini meditation? I mean has the serpent started rising?

What are you talking about?

I have not spoken anything about any "kundalini meditation" or "serpents rising". In fact I am into what information Rabb has conveyed through the scripture called Quran.

It is not unknown in Abrahamic lore about what I am teaching. In the Bible it says "man was created in His image" and "I am who am I" and "I am in the Father and the Father in me". And in Quran is a main phrase "La elah ila allah" which explicitly tells the same but fools have made others believe something else about it. The information I tell is thus also intended for you and not for "Sufis" alone.

Quote
I don't think we are your suitable students.

Perhaps not explicitly YOU, but perhaps someone else who reads here.

It is what Quran teaches and I feel inclined to tell people that. And this is a Quran website, is it not?

Be safe
Amenuel
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: fye on February 16, 2016, 01:24:02 PM
Solomon he invented wings, fabrics arranged to hold people in the air, the same idea is used on airplanes speed and wings. but who invented the aquaduct system.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: reel on February 16, 2016, 06:00:01 PM
Quote
What are you talking about?

I have not spoken anything about any "kundalini meditation" or "serpents rising". In fact I am into what information Rabb has conveyed through the scripture called Quran.

It is not unknown in Abrahamic lore about what I am teaching. In the Bible it says "man was created in His image" and "I am who am I" and "I am in the Father and the Father in me". And in Quran is a main phrase "La elah ila allah" which explicitly tells the same but fools have made others believe something else about it. The information I tell is thus also intended for you and not for "Sufis" alone.
I thought you were doing the meditation. We had conversation about it last year. I understand the "I am who I am". I don't have problem with that. But I do reject partnership with God.

Quote
Perhaps not explicitly YOU, but perhaps someone else who reads here.

It is what Quran teaches and I feel inclined to tell people that. And this is a Quran website, is it not?

Be safe
Amenuel
But aren't you getting backlash?

Quote
Solomon he invented wings, fabrics arranged to hold people in the air, the same idea is used on airplanes speed and wings. but who invented the aquaduct system.
I am interested. Could you post the verses about the wings? I do know that plenty of inventions of the past are lost: http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1149292-6-advanced-ancient-inventions-beyond-modern-understanding/
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: Man of Faith on February 17, 2016, 04:10:29 AM
Quote
But I do reject partnership with God.

Why is that? Why would you even do that? I have told you the inflicted fear of that is a sectarian fabrication and quite Pagan. And actually the aim is quite the opposite, i.e. association with Rabb.

Rabb is a symbiotic phenomenon and this is why it is written in older texts for example: "I am who am I" and "I am in the Father and the Father in me". It is not exactly I who wrote that. You might not believe it, but your "la elah ala allah" means nearly the same thing as the previous quotes in this paragraph. That does not say you are Rabb but Rabb encompasses way more than you and I do, however you are a share of that Being (Allah), which word Allah means 'Who Is', so when Jewish ancestors referred to "God" they usually referred to 'Who Is' (the one who is), and it comes from the Mosaic "I am who am I" albeit in third person and just "Who Is" (he is who he is), and the (in)famous "la elah ala allah" is actually the full form.

If you cannot accept this as authentic information then we can leave it at that and you can proceed with your little cult, but then you might not be saved, depending on your other priorities. I only tried to help you start helping yourself, and to acknowledge the bodily is the worst kind of nightmare one can get into as it is totally blinding so much you even think it is true.

You and your Rabb are tighter to each other than you could imagine and there is no such as anger by Rabb if you associate yourself. It would be like if your own father became angry because you associated yourself with him, totally idiotic. Rabb created you from His own image and that has been the case the whole time and in each revelation, but people seem to have been too deluded to acknowledge that. The World is an imposed contradiction to delusively make you think otherwise in order to shape you into Being or not Being at all. "To be or not to be is the question". To be alive or not to be alive, but even those who appear to be alive might in fact be dead, utterly lifeless.

You see, this is all out a "development ground" in order to come alive or not. There were many parables of plants reaching completion or not in the past of the prophets, and those who bear fruit will be harvested. The World contains all the weeds and thistles that may choke the plant and the wise one grows his in good soil which is not among all the weeds and thistles.

Quote
But aren't you getting backlash?

From many yes, but far from everyone, and the quantity is not the Rabb's aim but quality and if I find any receptive stray sheep from among the 'Children of Israel' here then even one or two recovered is a great victory. Oftentimes many people are sleepers with already generated potential through their past events. And the blind cannot lead the blind, so if a seer comes then this one can lead them forth. (Blind is often synonymous with a person who is stray in their mind (impaired perception) in Semitic etymology).

Be safe
Amenuel
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: good logic on February 17, 2016, 06:17:39 AM
Peace MOF.

Let me give more food for thought:
112
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
بِسمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحمٰنِ الرَّحيمِ
112:1
Proclaim, "He is the One and only God.
قُل هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ
112:2
"The Absolute God.
اللَّهُ الصَّمَدُ
112:3
"Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten.
لَم يَلِد وَلَم يولَد
112:4
"None equals Him."

You and I on the other hand were begotten.

You say "be well", I say you cannot be well if you say what you keep saying!!!
You say "be safe", ,well save yourself and do not fabricate lies about GOD.
"I am in the father and the father is in me"  is the instinct in all of us, the covenant we took with GOD.
Repent MOF, for the Lord is "ONE". Repent brother ,for you shall meet your Lord. Repent brother, is my advice to you.

 May GOD,(the ONE and only) bless you and enlighten you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: Bender on February 17, 2016, 06:47:24 AM
Why is that? Why would you even do that? I have told you the inflicted fear of that is a sectarian fabrication and quite Pagan. And actually the aim is quite the opposite, i.e. association with Rabb.

Hi,

What has that to do with fear?
If someone does not believe what you believe then it must be fear?
I do not believe in your ideology because of fear but simple because it makes totally no sense.

Quote
Rabb is a symbiotic phenomenon and this is why it is written in older texts for example: "I am who am I" and "I am in the Father and the Father in me".
You have repeated this in several of your posts and repeating it does not make it the truth.
It's just your understanding.

Quote
It is not exactly I who wrote that. You might not believe it, but your "la elah ala allah" means nearly the same thing as the previous quotes in this paragraph. That does not say you are Rabb but Rabb encompasses way more than you and I do, however you are a share of that Being (Allah), which word Allah means 'Who Is',
RED: What share, I have asked you this before but you did not answer me.
BLUE: That is ONLY what you think it means. And what you think, is just what you think.

Quote
so when Jewish ancestors referred to "God" they usually referred to 'Who Is' (the one who is), and it comes from the Mosaic "I am who am I" albeit in third person and just "Who Is" (he is who he is), and the (in)famous "la elah ala allah" is actually the full form.
Now you even know what jewish ancestors mean when they refer to God? come on.

Quote
If you cannot accept this as authentic information
Authentic information? Are you serious?

Quote
then we can leave it at that and you can proceed with your little cult, but then you might not be saved, depending on your other priorities. I only tried to help you start helping yourself, and to acknowledge the bodily is the worst kind of nightmare one can get into as it is totally blinding so much you even think it is true.
RED: How are you helping her to help herself?

Quote
You and your Rabb are tighter to each other than you could imagine and there is no such as anger by Rabb if you associate yourself. It would be like if your own father became angry because you associated yourself with him, totally idiotic. Rabb created you from His own image and that has been the case the whole time and in each revelation, but people seem to have been too deluded to acknowledge that. The World is an imposed contradiction to delusively make you think otherwise in order to shape you into Being or not Being at all. "To be or not to be is the question". To be alive or not to be alive, but even those who appear to be alive might in fact be dead, utterly lifeless.
RED: What verse from the quran suggest this? I am really curious to know this.

Quote
You see, this is all out a "development ground" in order to come alive or not. There were many parables of plants reaching completion or not in the past of the prophets, and those who bear fruit will be harvested. The World contains all the weeds and thistles that may choke the plant and the wise one grows his in good soil which is not among all the weeds and thistles.

From many yes, but far from everyone, and the quantity is not the Rabb's aim but quality and if I find any receptive stray sheep from among the 'Children of Israel' here then even one or two recovered is a great victory. Oftentimes many people are sleepers with already generated potential through their past events. And the blind cannot lead the blind, so if a seer comes then this one can lead them forth. (Blind is often synonymous with a person who is stray in their mind (impaired perception) in Semitic etymology).

Be safe
Amenuel

RED: So you are a seer?

Salaam,
Bender
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: Man of Faith on February 17, 2016, 08:14:43 AM
Hello Bender,

Quote
Hi,

What has that to do with fear?
If someone does not believe what you believe then it must be fear?
I do not believe in your ideology because of fear but simple because it makes totally no sense.

Okay. If you feel that way I am sorry for you.

Quote
You have repeated this in several of your posts and repeating it does not make it the truth.
It's just your understanding.

Or perhaps it makes it the truth every time but you do not trust it is true.

Quote
RED: What share, I have asked you this before but you did not answer me.
BLUE: That is ONLY what you think it means. And what you think, is just what you think.

Red: رزقنهم
It is more than what I think. It is what it means for real.

Quote
Now you even know what jewish ancestors mean when they refer to God? come on.

It is what they referred to in reference. The 'Who Is'. It does stem from 'Is Who Is', in third-person. That later generations referred to the Being and fabricated no association is not their fault. If you wish, you could also just refer to "God" as "IS" (i.e. singular without pronoun) and then it is only AL/EL. Nevertheless ALLAH can be translated "the Being" in English.

Quote
Authentic information? Are you serious?

Yes. I am serious.

Quote
RED: How are you helping her to help herself?

Provoking comments to awaken her mind and if she does I am giving her valuable points to nurture her own soul. I am not her but she is herself, and together we will hopefully be 'Who Are' (اللهم - the plural form).

Quote
RED: What verse from the quran suggest this? I am really curious to know this.

The main part of Quran does so, but for you I can give you a sample: 2:37. But of course, unless you can read the passage you will still not understand the text.

Easier is to understand the introduction to Quran which is B ' esm ' Allah Al ' Rahmen Al ' Rahyem which means to have a being of total completion.

Another is your famous phrase: "la elah ala allah", "to be 'Who Is' is to be 'Such as Who Is'", ALLAH = THE (one) who is perhaps better paraphrased.

Everything implies that you are supposed to live like Rabb, i.e. in His image. Okay, there is prevention from doing that, i.e. to be in His image, which is the contradictory World that likes no less than to consume you utterly.

Although it is taught that Rabb is greater as Rabb encompasses everything.

Quote
RED: So you are a seer?

It is up to the one who can understand.

Wa elaykam al-selam

Be safe
Amenuel
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: reel on February 19, 2016, 06:45:28 PM
Quote
Why is that? Why would you even do that? I have told you the inflicted fear of that is a sectarian fabrication and quite Pagan. And actually the aim is quite the opposite, i.e. association with Rabb.
It violates the fundamental aspect of God we adhere to. Support is in the verses provided by Good Logic above . I fear only Allah. In my understanding, be one with God refers to fulfilling his orders so we may have his support in our lives and secure our position in the afterlife. Here is the thing, God is everywhere. Hence, he is in our heart, he is outside and inside this universe and so on. That does not make us God.

A simpler explanation by using the human world: A child carries the genes of his parents, but that does not mean he is the parents.

Quote
"I am who am I" and "I am in the Father and the Father in me".
My interpretation: We can talk to God in our mind. We can use our senses to know what he wants of us.

Quote
If you cannot accept this as authentic information then we can leave it at that and you can proceed with your little cult,
Cult is driven by a leader whom we cannot question, but follow. Good thing is that Allah does allow us to question him without facing consequences. He isn't like the one described by hadithers. He is merciful. He shows signs.

Quote
but then you might not be saved, depending on your other priorities.
You already know about my mom. Looks like she is saved believing what I believe.

Quote
the bodily is the worst kind of nightmare one can get into as it is totally blinding so much you even think it is true.
I actually reject vitalism.

 
Quote
Oftentimes many people are sleepers with already generated potential through their past events.
The signs come from the lord. I see majority here as awake.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: progressive1993 on February 19, 2016, 07:22:41 PM
Lol. To start with, Nikola Tesla was better than Edison. And Edison clearly wasnt a messenger. This is a dumb thread.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: Bender on February 23, 2016, 06:59:53 PM
Hello Bender,

Okay. If you feel that way I am sorry for you.

Hi Amenuel,

Don't be sorry, I am very happy with it.

Quote
Or perhaps it makes it the truth every time but you do not trust it is true.
To trust or not trust something, I first need some kind of evidence.
The only thing you do is only claiming something and repeating it and we have to trust you. Just blind faith, I am not that kind of man of faith.

Quote
Red: رزقنهم
seriously this is it? This is the word that showed you that you have a share with Him?
What does this word mean?

Quote
It is more than what I think. It is what it means for real.
Come on, what kind of discussion is this.

Do you think there is a possibility that you are wrong in some things?

Quote
It is what they referred to in reference. The 'Who Is'. It does stem from 'Is Who Is', in third-person. That later generations referred to the Being and fabricated no association is not their fault. If you wish, you could also just refer to "God" as "IS" (i.e. singular without pronoun) and then it is only AL/EL. Nevertheless ALLAH can be translated "the Being" in English.
Only Allah knows what they refer to you do not know this, you only know to what you refer to, because you do not know what is in them. Only Is Who Is like you call Him knows such kind of things, we mortals only speculate.

Quote
Provoking comments to awaken her mind and if she does I am giving her valuable points to nurture her own soul. I am not her but she is herself, and together we will hopefully be 'Who Are' (اللهم - the plural form).
Do you mean that everyone who does not share your understanding is a sleep?

red: I do not understand the hopefully part. Is she now not "Who Are"? If not what does she need to do to be "Who Are"?


Quote
The main part of Quran does so, but for you I can give you a sample: 2:37. But of course, unless you can read the passage you will still not understand the text.
So you think when I have reached your level of understanding I will be able to understand that in 2:37 Rab created me from His image?
Just curious which word in 2:37 means "image"?

Quote
Easier is to understand the introduction to Quran which is B ' esm ' Allah Al ' Rahmen Al ' Rahyem which means to have a being of total completion.

Another is your famous phrase: "la elah ala allah", "to be 'Who Is' is to be 'Such as Who Is'", ALLAH = THE (one) who is perhaps better paraphrased.
green: What do you mean with this? Like I said before you do not know about others, you only speculate.
red: first "Allah" = a being
       second "Allah" = Such as Who Is
       third "Allah" = THE (one)

btw "La" means "to be"?

I am sure that in your mind it's al very logical but I do not understand a thing of what you are trying to say.
At the moment I am having a hard time just to understand what you mean with "to be WHO IS".

Quote
Everything implies that you are supposed to live like Rabb, i.e. in His image.
How does Rabb live? or what does live in His image mean?

My primitive understanding was that we are supposed to live as humans in the way He ordered us.

Quote
Okay, there is prevention from doing that, i.e. to be in His image, which is the contradictory World that likes no less than to consume you utterly.

Although it is taught that Rabb is greater as Rabb encompasses everything.

It is up to the one who can understand.

Wa elaykam al-selam

Be safe
Amenuel
tbh this kind of knowledge is above me, and I think I will never encompass this, but I guess that is my loss.

Salaam,
Bender
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: fye on March 12, 2016, 08:09:33 AM
Yes and no he lived up to his name. His name was his test in this life also we has glass which is made from sand and with metal we can record moments of life and watch them on that glass tv cellphones we have rock's and pieces of metal that talk and show is pictures.
I like this posted topic the messengers and prophets like Solomon with his hang builder and David with his bulletproof vest seem to be rna turning the physical materials of this world in amazing new compounds and machines.
We make no difference between one and another and I don' t think the world will end until we are done with fiber optics and are just using optics(lights). Then we'll bring the day of judgement and hell upon ourselves, you are enough to punish you.
Title: Re: Has any prophet messenger done more for the world then Thomas Edison???
Post by: Furqan on October 07, 2016, 05:42:00 AM
Salam

Yes because they thought mankind to get out of ideology and interact with reality.
Magic/wizard/witch nonsense stuff

Hence Thomas Edison was the product of their(prophets) guiding mankind from zulm/darkness/idoleology into reality/al-Haq and light-nur
Title: Re: Why pay for electricity when you can generate it for free (from nature) ?!
Post by: A Submitter on October 07, 2016, 09:24:59 AM
okay but does it really matter who it was , whoever it was did something beyond greats i think, what do you think?
Is there a messenger who has done something great that will benefit society for all times?

I cant think of any such thing! :-\ May be someone can show me the right road on this topic?  :pr

Salam,

God set examples through them in Quran, great benefits.

David was granted knowledge how to craft advanced armor during his time....


Salam