Salam,
Quran 03:49 - And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel........
The prophet Esa aka Esaias OR Jesus as those who are christians [and muslims unforunately]believed, was a Prophet but he did not carried out the appointment of Messenger-Prophet, which means he was sent only to the Israelite and not to the world.
Unlike Prophet Musa and the Quranic Last Prophet, both were Messenger-Prophet, meaning that they were both sent to the all Nations. In fact in the Quran stated explicitly that there were 3 Messenger-Prophet, Ismael, Musa and Quranic Last Prophet.
The New Testament is also crystal clear that Esa/Esaias/Jesus was specifically sent the lost sheep of Israel ONLY, so it seems the NT is in contradiction with it self and that some Biblical authors wanted to evolve Jesus' character, let us read Matthew 15:24:
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
How more clear can it become? So the fact is Esa/Esaias/Jesus said he was sent to the lost sheep of Israel, not the world, so this is a problem the Christians have to settle.
Note: Lost sheep of israel means that the Israelite was lost in FAITH. The Quran [61:14] is very clear on that.
O you who have believed, be supporters of ALLAH, as when Esa, son of Maryam, said to the disciples, "Who are my supporters for ALLAH?" The disciples said, "We are supporters of ALLAH." And a faction of the Children of Israel believed and a faction disbelieved. So We supported those who believed against their enemy, and they became dominant.
Salam
Even if he was a messenger to Bani Israel alone there is immense wisdom in his words that are worth taking in. There are many lost sheep all over the planet. Also much depends on how one is supposed to interpret "Bani Esra - el".
It is the words we are to follow and not the physical person. He also said according to those writings: "My words are not my own but of the one who sent me".
Regardless of who he was and when he lived, the Biblical Gospels have quotes very useful.
And who has most prophetic lore? Jesus or Ishmael? Can you relay some? Jesus is obviously a prophet and the word prophet means "insightful one". It is a very loose term and the one who has it is it.
The "main" prophets are Moses, Jesus and the one of Quran, and Abraham with son Ishmael the "founding fathers".
But you seem to have something against Jesus/Isa. It was Jesus who relayed Injeel and even in some languages Gospel is called Evangelicum, a Latinized form of Injeel. The Roman Empire did not accept Jesus' words until several hundred years after his death. It spread slowly with start in the Roman eastern provinces. The Gospels in the Bible are actually letters in Greek sent to the Greek. And Jesus did not send peace but further animosity and it is true because the ones who broke out of the sectarian delusion were heavily persecuted. In the end a biased and erroneous "Christianity" was implemented as sectarian, yet it came to bring up good developed nations in the West and people who adhered to "Christian values". But sectarian nutjobs are everywhere no matter if a messenger just came. The change came slowly of course, over 1500 years I would say and the deluded misled many still.
Everything is not bad with Christianity.
Salaan
Quote from: Man of Faith on May 31, 2015, 01:26:11 AM
And who has most prophetic lore? Jesus or Ishmael? Can you relay some? Jesus is obviously a prophet and the word prophet means "insightful one". It is a very loose term and the one who has it is it.
The "main" prophets are Moses, Jesus and the one of Quran, and Abraham with son Ishmael the "founding fathers".
But you seem to have something against Jesus/Isa. It was Jesus who relayed Injeel and even in some languages Gospel is called Evangelicum, a Latinized form of Injeel. The Roman Empire did not accept Jesus' words until several hundred years after his death. It spread slowly with start in the Roman eastern provinces. The Gospels in the Bible are actually letters in Greek sent to the Greek. And Jesus did not send peace but further animosity and it is true because the ones who broke out of the sectarian delusion were heavily persecuted. In the end a biased and erroneous "Christianity" was implemented as sectarian, yet it came to bring up good developed nations in the West and people who adhered to "Christian values". But sectarian nutjobs are everywhere no matter if a messenger just came. The change came slowly of course, over 1500 years I would say and the deluded misled many still.
Everything is not bad with Christianity.
Salaan
Peace MOF
First off, I have nothing against Esa, he was a prophet of ALLAH. And I have nothing against Jesus. I am a TruthSeeker.
You seems to be sure that Jesus was the Quranic Esa. Appreciate if you see the link below of an ancient Bible found....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogXWwKcHPNc
1. There is nothing mentioned in the Ancient Bible of a VIRGIN BIRTH with regards to Jesus - This means Jesus cannot be the Quranic Esa!
2. The Ancient Bible mentioned Judas, Jesus's brother, announcing that there are people who is trying to attack the true faith - This also means that Jesus cannot be the Quranic Esa because there is no mention in the Quran of Esa having a brother.
So how can you say that the Quranic Esa and Jesus were the same? It is plausible that Jesus was a messenger to the Greco-Romans, considering the fact the Ancient Bible was the written in Greco-Roman language. That he was an assistance to the Quranic Last Prophet of ALLAH. And that Ancient Bible is the Quran written in Greco-Roman language?
Peace
Peace, Hizbullah.
It is also plausible that the Jesus of the New Testament was nothing more than a political rebel, who entered Palestine some 2000 years ago, accompanied with his mother and brothers, and his goal was to overthrow Roman rule there. If you look into the Dead Sea Scrolls, you will find that the general trend during that age was resentment of the Roman presence (eventhough the scrolls do not actually mention Jesus by name).
The other option is that the Jesus of the New Testament is an entirely Roman invention, and that he never existed in the first place. It is so very easy to invent mythological characters for political reasons, to create an ideology for people to follow. And most often you will find that the characters they invent resulted from the anthropomorphosis of planets and stars (personification of such).
For example, the Son (Sun) of God, the Light of the World, the Risen Savior (of course, if the Sun doesn't rise every day, we're all fu*ked), who walks on water (as the Sun does) and who had 12 disciples (the 12 astrological zodiac signs marking the passage of the Sun), who was put on the cross (representing the axis of solstice - equinox), and who was born on December 25 (the date that the days officially start becoming longer, as the Sun rises from its lowest point on the horizon, marking the winter solstice).
Sound familiar? Is the Jesus invented by the Roman emperor Constantine not a personification of the Sun? Is this perhaps why Christians worship on SUNdays? (as oppose to Jewish Saturn worship on SATURdays)?
Please think and reflect. Those who think that humanity has gone past paganism had better think again. 99% of humanity is engrossed to its ears in astral worhip and occult symbolism. What is this black occult cube that they walk around in the Arabian desert?
Let me give you an example of anthropomorphosis:
Who is Aisha, the alleged wife of Muhammad? Why do the Shias demonize her, while holifying Fatima al Zahra?
These are all female sex fertility symbols. You see, in the Aramaic tongue (from which they invented "Hebrew" artificially") you have the word Ha-Ishshi which means: the wife / the woman / the goddess (of fertility). The interseting fact is that in the civilizations of the Levant and Uggarite (ancient Syria), the Sirius star was represented by the red color, and was a symbol of the female fertility, which they codified as عائشة in Arabic (compare: 'Aisha - ha-ishi).
In the Mesopotamian / Persia region, which was an enemy and rival of the ancient Syrian, the female fertility was represetend by the planet Venus, which was codified as al-Zuhra in Arabic, and represented by the green color. Look at the banners, flags, and mosque domes of the Shias in Iraq, and you will find the green color is predominant there. Ever asked yourself why? This rivalry between Sirius star (the Red / Aisha) and the Venus planet (the Green / Fatima al-Zahra) was anthropomorphised as a myth, and this explains why the Shias hate 'Aisha, and give her the derogative title of al-Humayra' (الحميراء). Now, you might be tempted to think that al-Humayra' means "little donkey", but actually, it can equally mean "the little red" (think of Little Red Riding Hood - young - virgin). Is it any wonder why all the hadiths which contain sexual connotations that you find in their yellow and deseased books are attributed to Aisha?
So it is, ultimately, Aisha vs. al-Zahra' (Sirius vs Venus).
Look at the architecture of mosques, all around the world. Ever thought of why they have a minaret and a dome? It is not by coincidence that these shapes are chosen. But people simply fail to grasp the occult symbolism behind everything, and continue to live their lives like zombies, unaware of where their beliefs come from.
The minaret represents the male phallus, while the dome is the female womb.
And why do you see the religious Jews practically "humping" a wall in Jerusalem, which archeology has proven is nothing but the vestige of a Roman fortification? It is the sex symbolism everywhere.
You hear, see and read thousands of articles, youtube videos, books, regarding the age that Aisha was when so-called "Prophet" married her. Was she 6, 9, or 16?
You see "sheeple" slauhgtering each other over myths which the Gibt and the Taghuut (the elite rulers and practitioners of magic) created for them, in order to make them follow opposing ideologies, and maintain the nations in a state of constant conflict and strife.
There was no Aisha or Fatima. They follow nothing but delusions.
Inventing mythological characters and deftly inserting them into history is not as difficult as you think.
Peace.
Peace Bro Pazuzu with Great Respect
Quote from: Pazuzu on June 02, 2015, 05:19:55 AM
It is also plausible that the Jesus of the New Testament was nothing more than a political rebel, who entered Palestine some 2000 years ago, accompanied with his mother and brothers, and his goal was to overthrow Roman rule there. If you look into the Dead Sea Scrolls, you will find that the general trend during that age was resentment of the Roman presence (eventhough the scrolls do not actually mention Jesus by name).
Agree, its plausible.
Quote from: Pazuzu on June 02, 2015, 05:19:55 AM
The other option is that the Jesus of the New Testament is an entirely Roman invention, and that he never existed in the first place. It is so very easy to invent mythological characters for political reasons, to create an ideology for people to follow. And most often you will find that the characters they invent resulted from the anthropomorphosis of planets and stars (personification of such).
Agree, very true
Quote from: Pazuzu on June 02, 2015, 05:19:55 AM
For example, the Son (Sun) of God, the Light of the World, the Risen Savior (of course, if the Sun doesn't rise every day, we're all fu*ked), who walks on water (as the Sun does) and who had 12 disciples (the 12 astrological zodiac signs marking the passage of the Sun), who was put on the cross (representing the axis of solstice - equinox), and who was born on December 25 (the date that the days officially start becoming longer, as the Sun rises from its lowest point on the horizon, marking the winter solstice).
Sound familiar? Is the Jesus invented by the Roman emperor Constantine not a personification of the Sun? Is this perhaps why Christians worship on SUNdays? (as oppose to Jewish Saturn worship on SATURdays)?
:rotfl: ....very true..... :rotfl:
Quote from: Pazuzu on June 02, 2015, 05:19:55 AM
Please think and reflect. Those who think that humanity has gone past paganism had better think again. 99% of humanity is engrossed to its ears in astral worhip and occult symbolism. What is this black occult cube that they walk around in the Arabian desert?
Let me give you an example of anthropomorphosis:
Who is Aisha, the alleged wife of Muhammad? Why do the Shias demonize her, while holifying Fatima al Zahra?
These are all female sex fertility symbols. You see, in the Aramaic tongue (from which they invented "Hebrew" artificially") you have the word Ha-Ishshi which means: the wife / the woman / the goddess (of fertility). The interseting fact is that in the civilizations of the Levant and Uggarite (ancient Syria), the Sirius star was represented by the red color, and was a symbol of the female fertility, which they codified as عائشة in Arabic (compare: 'Aisha - ha-ishi).
In the Mesopotamian / Persia region, which was an enemy and rival of the ancient Syrian, the female fertility was represetend by the planet Venus, which was codified as al-Zuhra in Arabic, and represented by the green color. Look at the banners, flags, and mosque domes of the Shias in Iraq, and you will find the green color is predominant there. Ever asked yourself why? This rivalry between Sirius star (the Red / Aisha) and the Venus planet (the Green / Fatima al-Zahra) was anthropomorphised as a myth, and this explains why the Shias hate 'Aisha, and give her the derogative title of al-Humayra' (الحميراء). Now, you might be tempted to think that al-Humayra' means "little donkey", but actually, it can equally mean "the little red" (think of Little Red Riding Hood - young - virgin). Is it any wonder why all the hadiths which contain sexual connotations that you find in their yellow and deseased books are attributed to Aisha?[/size]
So it is, ultimately, Aisha vs. al-Zahra' (Sirius vs Venus).
Look at the architecture of mosques, all around the world. Ever thought of why they have a minaret and a dome? It is not by coincidence that these shapes are chosen. But people simply fail to grasp the occult symbolism behind everything, and continue to live their lives like zombies, unaware of where their beliefs come from.
The minaret represents the male phallus, while the dome is the female womb.
And why do you see the religious Jews practically "humping" a wall in Jerusalem, which archeology has proven is nothing but the vestige of a Roman fortification? It is the sex symbolism everywhere.
You hear, see and read thousands of articles, youtube videos, books, regarding the age that Aisha was when so-called "Prophet" married her. Was she 6, 9, or 16?
You see "sheeple" slauhgtering each other over myths which the Gibt and the Taghuut (the elite rulers and practitioners of magic) created for them, in order to make them follow opposing ideologies, and maintain the nations in a state of constant conflict and strife.
There was no Aisha or Fatima. They follow nothing but delusions.
Inventing mythological characters and deftly inserting them into history is not as difficult as you think.
Everything you wrote makes sense. These are GREAT INFORMATION / KNOWLEDGE. Thank you so much. :)
May ALLAH bless you, brother.
Peace
Salaam Bro
Quote from: Pazuzu on June 02, 2015, 05:19:55 AM
Peace, Hizbullah.
It is also plausible that the Jesus of the New Testament was nothing more than a political rebel, who entered Palestine some 2000 years ago, accompanied with his mother and brothers, and his goal was to overthrow Roman rule there. If you look into the Dead Sea Scrolls, you will find that the general trend during that age was resentment of the Roman presence (eventhough the scrolls do not actually mention Jesus by name).
The other option is that the Jesus of the New Testament is an entirely Roman invention, and that he never existed in the first place. It is so very easy to invent mythological characters for political reasons, to create an ideology for people to follow. And most often you will find that the characters they invent resulted from the anthropomorphosis of planets and stars (personification of such).
hum! there is another option also. Jesus invented by true believers of true Issa and then, concept exploited by Constantin.
Quote from: Pazuzu on June 02, 2015, 05:19:55 AM
Who is Aisha, the alleged wife of Muhammad? Why do the Shias demonize her, while holifying Fatima al Zahra?
These are all female sex fertility symbols. You see, in the Aramaic tongue (from which they invented "Hebrew" artificially") you have the word Ha-Ishshi which means: the wife / the woman / the goddess (of fertility). The interseting fact is that in the civilizations of the Levant and Uggarite (ancient Syria), the Sirius star was represented by the red color, and was a symbol of the female fertility, which they codified as عائشة in Arabic (compare: 'Aisha - ha-ishi).
In the Mesopotamian / Persia region, which was an enemy and rival of the ancient Syrian, the female fertility was represetend by the planet Venus, which was codified as al-Zuhra in Arabic, and represented by the green color. Look at the banners, flags, and mosque domes of the Shias in Iraq, and you will find the green color is predominant there. Ever asked yourself why? This rivalry between Sirius star (the Red / Aisha) and the Venus planet (the Green / Fatima al-Zahra) was anthropomorphised as a myth, and this explains why the Shias hate 'Aisha, and give her the derogative title of al-Humayra' (الحميراء). Now, you might be tempted to think that al-Humayra' means "little donkey", but actually, it can equally mean "the little red" (think of Little Red Riding Hood - young - virgin). Is it any wonder why all the hadiths which contain sexual connotations that you find in their yellow and deseased books are attributed to Aisha?[/size]
So it is, ultimately, Aisha vs. al-Zahra' (Sirius vs Venus).
Look at the architecture of mosques, all around the world. Ever thought of why they have a minaret and a dome? It is not by coincidence that these shapes are chosen. But people simply fail to grasp the occult symbolism behind everything, and continue to live their lives like zombies, unaware of where their beliefs come from.
The minaret represents the male phallus, while the dome is the female womb.
And why do you see the religious Jews practically "humping" a wall in Jerusalem, which archeology has proven is nothing but the vestige of a Roman fortification? It is the sex symbolism everywhere.
You hear, see and read thousands of articles, youtube videos, books, regarding the age that Aisha was when so-called "Prophet" married her. Was she 6, 9, or 16?
You see "sheeple" slauhgtering each other over myths which the Gibt and the Taghuut (the elite rulers and practitioners of magic) created for them, in order to make them follow opposing ideologies, and maintain the nations in a state of constant conflict and strife.
There was no Aisha or Fatima. They follow nothing but delusions.
Inventing mythological characters and deftly inserting them into history is not as difficult as you think.
Thanks. very interesting.
there is neither Khadija also.
arabic etymology of khadija and fatima are very funny also.
Gibt is magic. Agree. Taghut is another concept.
Peace
Quote from: Hizbullah on May 31, 2015, 12:13:31 AM
Salam,
Quran 03:49 - And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel........
it depends on what bani israel means. it can mean many things but certainly not what bani Israel means actually.
if you read carefully quran, it seems that quran speaks much more to bany Israel than to "bani Ismaeel"
Is Muhammad also sent to Bani Israel ?
Peace
I have a theory that the canonical Biblical Gospels were compiled by using real quotations but with invented or fictionized events. Many events of the Biblical Gospels do not make sense such as the demons who exit a man and enter some swines which rush into the sea.
Edit: Many of these events are not mentioned in the noncanonical Gospel of Marcion
Be well
Quote from: noshirk on June 02, 2015, 10:09:42 AM
Is Muhammad also sent to Bani Israel ?
In a sense he was. Not only Muhammad but all muslims, being witness over the jews and christians especially considering their dispute over Temple Mount.
Peace
ڧـل اى شــى اكــــبـــر شــهـــده
ڧـل الـلــه شـهــىـــد بــىــنــى وبــىــنــكـمـ
واوحــى الـى هـدا الــڧـــراں لانـدركـمـ بـه ومـں بـلـغ
اىـــنـــكـــمـ لــتـــــشــــهــــدوں اں مــع الـلــه الـهـه اخــــــرى
ڧـل لا اشــــــهــــــد
ڧـل انــمــا هــو الــــه وحـــد
وانـى بــرى مـمــا تـــشـــركــــوں
Sūrəh, 6:19
Quote from: noshirk on June 02, 2015, 10:09:42 AM
Is Muhammad also sent to Bani Israel ?
Quote from: noshirk on June 02, 2015, 10:09:42 AM
it depends on what bani israel means. it can mean many things but certainly not what bani Israel means actually.
Can you elaborate further?
Quote from: noshirk on June 02, 2015, 10:09:42 AM
if you read carefully quran, it seems that quran speaks much more to bany Israel than to "bani Ismaeel"
Is Muhammad also sent to Bani Israel ?
Yes, the Quranic Muhammad was sent to all people including the "hybrid" Israeli - the Nasara.
Quote from: Hizbullah on June 02, 2015, 10:08:49 PM
Can you elaborate further?
Yes, the Quranic Muhammad was sent to all people including the "hybrid" Israeli - the Nasara.
Nassara are opposed to yahood and never to bani israel.
if fact nassara/actual supporters are "the last guided when Quran was revealed" and Yahood are old guided. it is more clear with "allathina hadou" expression
Bani israel is a generic term. Isra means trip/secret. 3-93 shows Israel was a "Mufti". And 17-3 shows that bani israel are "children" of who was with Noe, that is not prophets. Israel point for me to people feeded by priests. And Israel point to clergy.
Muslims are now bani Israel.
Peace
Thank you all for your inputs.Quotearabic etymology of khadija and fatima are very funny also.
Yes, it's funny how all the names of the women who allegedly lived around Muhammad were indicative of birth / fertility / stars.I am now looking into the crying rituals that the Shias do in Karbala, to commemorate the death of Hussein, and I have found some very startling stuff. These traditions find their roots in the ancient religions, wherein we find evidence of such weeping and self-flagellations with both Isis of Egypt and Ishtar of Iraq.If you ask the Shias why they do this, they will say it is Sunna of Muhammad, as related by the Imams of his household. The question is: which Muhammad do they mean?More stuff to come.
Quote from: Pazuzu on June 03, 2015, 07:41:51 PM
The question is: which Muhammad do they mean?[/size]
More stuff to come.
Salam Bro,
Very good question....and cannot wait for the stuff to come :eat:
Also, the so called "Ahlil Bait" stuff, another craps found in Iran and Yemen, their connection are very strong since the 3rd Century?
Salam
I have never understood the mourning for Hussein and his family allegedly over thousand years after his death and he should surely not be suffering anymore. I also find it lame to excessively commemorate humans at all who have been dead for ages, even if they are named Jesus or Muhammad and did something good and Jesus even acknowledged his will was not his own. Their legacy is in what they left behind. They did good, but they are not the only ones who ever did something good and they were not infallible in their respective bodies and its bias. They said anyone who do like them are as they, not that they are above others. Both Jesus and Muhammad would have liked to be one among the people and not treated like gods or idols.
Christians call Jesus lord while he would certainly not have liked being called that. He did not accept someone calling him good so how logical is it with people calling him god. Savior is also a wrongful perception. The only help he offered was for people to help themselves and teaching them a spiritual perception.
Be well
Quote from: Pazuzu on June 03, 2015, 07:41:51 PM
Thank you all for your inputs.
Yes, it's funny how all the names of the women who allegedly lived around Muhammad were indicative of birth / fertility / stars.
I am now looking into the crying rituals that the Shias do in Karbala, to commemorate the death of Hussein, and I have found some very startling stuff. These traditions find their roots in the ancient religions, wherein we find evidence of such weeping and self-flagellations with both Isis of Egypt and Ishtar of Iraq.
If you ask the Shias why they do this, they will say it is Sunna of Muhammad, as related by the Imams of his household. The question is: which Muhammad do they mean?
More stuff to come.
Thank you.
Looking forward to it very much...