James Foley was brutally murdered by the criminals who support hadith and sunnah. I strongly condemn this crime. It shows the true nature of the sectarians. This has encouraged me to take action. I've contacted a few political parties in my country today, to try and break the sectarian monopoly on islamic institutions in my country. This has to stop! These hadith-criminals are giving every moderate muslim in the world a bad reputation, not to mention how they are violating God. My thoughts go out to the friends and family of James Foley. I cant imagine their sadness.
(http://www.marquette.edu/magazine/images/fall2011/bnr-phonecall.jpg)
The butcher who executed this horrible murder was clearly using some kind of London accent. Many of these hadith-brainwashed fighters in IS are indoctrinated in Europe and the west. Many of the Islamic institutions are funded with government/tax money. We have to take a stand and break this deadlock. How will we ever defeat this sectarian monopoly on Islam if we just let them receive tax money to continue their indoctrination of muslims? We have to make a stand. We have to inform our political parties what these institutions really stand for and make it clear to them they do not represent Islam, in contrary they are creating state enemies.
I will not stop before I see this sunnite monopoly in my country broken and destroyed. It would be nice to have some mosques around that actually represent Islamic values instead of spreading propaganda for an evil-natured Caliphate and justifications for violations of human rights.
The muslim executive got called out in my country to distance itself from IS. They first refused, later they released a press statement saying they dont share the same islamic values. But they are lying. Ask them about their hadith and sunnah and you will find out, secretly they share the same values as IS. It's time to break down this sectarian wall for good.
I believe that God will provide justice for him. Maybe he has right to sue ISIS in God's court.
However, ISIS already showed their true nature before the murder of James Foley.
They've killed thousands of people before this man, and he was not the first who was killed by ISIS by such method (beheaded).
Whether one American person who was killed by ISIS can make the US and the Western world become more angry rather than thousands of people who had been killed and made to suffer by ISIS?
Salām.
Quote from: JavaLatte on August 21, 2014, 10:09:48 AM
Whether one American person who was killed by ISIS can make the US and the Western world become more angry rather than thousands of people who had been killed and made to suffer by ISIS?
Salām.
Of course mass media is hypocritical in it's coverage. It's a common theme they don't value lives of Arab people. We've seen this in the coverage of Gaza, we've seen this in Afghanistan, all over the Middle-East. Then again, it's not surprising the murder of James Foley got this much media attention. It's a very graphic and horrible video - I suggest you don't watch it. But it's the ultimate symbol of the crimes of these sectarians: a western indoctrinated butcher committing homicide on camera on another westerner that he considers infidel. His motives: Bukhari-Islam, thaught to him in the west by some idiot wearing a djellabah and a beard because Bukhari says so.
Quote from: runninglikezebras on August 21, 2014, 09:12:10 AM
It shows the true nature of the sectarians.
Salaam,
No, it shows the nature of the one/those who did it.
Salaam,
Bender
Quote from: runninglikezebras on August 21, 2014, 10:24:39 AM
It's a very graphic and horrible video - I suggest you don't watch it.
Thank you for the advice. But, did you watch it?
Salām.
I couldn't watch it entirely.
Quote from: Bender on August 21, 2014, 10:32:56 AM
Salaam,
No, it shows the nature of the one/those who did it.
Salaam,
Bender
I agree though I do want to point out there is an entire hadith/sunnah philosophy justifying what they did. We can't ignore that. It's everyones individual responsibility what we follow or believe. But this cant make us blind there is a political movement out there indoctrinating people.
Quote from: runninglikezebras on August 21, 2014, 10:24:39 AM
a western indoctrinated butcher committing homicide on camera on another westerner that he considers infidel.
There are huge number of Europeans who joined the ISIS, right? Even they are highly exceed the number of Indonesian people who're joining with ISIS in battle.
Although our country is known to have largest 'Muslim' population, and also known as a developing country, this does not mean that we can easily fooled by the invitation from ISIS.
I think ISIS is not saleable here in Indonesia. Many of us here already aware of its wickedness. InshaAllah more and more Indonesian people will know that ISIS is brutal-vile-hazardous organization which is not worth to be followed.
Salām.
My country has the most of all European countries fighting for IS. Not only the sunnite indoctrination contributes to those figures, also the growing islamophobia. I guess that is not an issue in Indonesia. The growing islamophobia makes these muslims even more motivated to fight for IS.
I do accuse the sunni community of hypocrisy though. They might feel IS is wrong but the hadith and the sunnah they defend share the same principles with IS. We should use this caliphate as an example of what their unauthorized teachings lead to. It's hypocritical to defend the theology of sunnism while condemning the acts of IS.
Quote from: runninglikezebras on August 21, 2014, 01:20:30 PM
I guess that is not an issue in Indonesia. The growing islamophobia makes these muslims even more motivated to fight for IS.
But how can that be? What is the connection between Islamophobia and motivation for them to join ISIS?
If people like them return to Belgium, then most likely they could become terrible threats for the country.
Salām.
Peace runninglikezebras.
I will join you in condemning this horrible act committed by the worst of the criminals. But we must use what Qoran is teaching us!!
Those who are committing these crimes have given themselves a name , a flag and a clear identity. They might follow "Hadith and sunna", but what we must not do is accuse all others who follow the same "hadith and sunna" elsewhere as guilty of the same crime?
We must not generalise,as there may be some sincere good misled people who follow "hadith and sunna" but also condemn this barbaric act?
Also ,in some countries the ones who are political leaders are also guilty of some atrocities/wars without justifications...oppression...
Asking them to help is like giving them another excuse to carry on with their oppressions?
As well as condemning this act and trying to help as much as we can , we must not fuel the situation against innocent "sunnis,Shiites..." who find themselves doctrine d by their parents/scholars..They may be looking/or will look for a way out if we keep giving the good example by being fair and understanding!
Lord ,accept our prayer to rescue the oppressed.
GOD s justice will prevail.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Dont worry I'm not targeting people. I'm targeting a doctrine. But I will not refrain from using this example to anyone defending those doctrines.
Dear Runninglike zebras:
I join you and Good Logic in condemning all the heinous acts by ISIS including the murder of James Foley.
Sectarian mindset is an universal problem ? sectarian mindset makes one believe his own sect is superior to others. Every sect in the world ? Sunni, Shia, Catholic, Protestants, Jews, Hindus, even in many cases Buddhists and Quranists / Submitters share such attitude. Even in this forum you will find people promoting ?free mind? and ?human values? ? but preaching blind hatred for specific sects like the Jews / Israeli civilian people. But it is really up to each individual to decide up to what degree he or she will take this ?sense of superiority?. Would he / she be willing to give away the conscience and human values to uphold his sectarian ideas? In other words would he overrule the rule of God (i.e. the conscience) to uphold rulings of those whom he assigns as partners to God? Thus no matter which sect one belongs ? choosing the path of God vs choosing the path of devil is always a personal choice. That?s why it is incorrect to blame all sunni people/ sunni doctrine for crimes committed by ISIS ? just like it is incorrect to blame all Christians/Christian doctrine for crimes committed by Hitler or to blame all Jews/ Judaic doctrine for crimes committed by Israeli rulers and military.
We cannot solve sectarian issues by targeting and fighting a specific sect. Rather we have to fight the evil within us and within our community that prompt us to kill our conscience in support of our sectarian beliefs.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Best regards,
Arman
Dear Armanaziz,
Quote from: Armanaziz on August 21, 2014, 10:55:14 PM
That?s why it is incorrect to blame all sunni people/ sunni doctrine for crimes committed by ISIS ? just like it is incorrect to blame all Christians/Christian doctrine for crimes committed by Hitler or to blame all Jews/ Judaic doctrine for crimes committed by Israeli rulers and military.
I agree. I don't blame them of being responsible for the crimes committed by ISIS - all I'm saying is they are supportive of a shared doctrine. Some may not even be aware of the political objectives interwoven into the sunni doctrine. Then it's time to wake them up and make them realize what a sunni caliphate looks like in reality. I know a few sunni people myself but I find their position undefendable. Many of them struggle with some of those aspects of sunnism but rather ignore it like it's not there. Eg sharia law does not meet international standards for human rights. It's an integral aspect of sunnism however. Most of those who are sunni would find it very troublesome living in a society imposing sharia law. If you don't like those aspects, you reject the doctrine. If you don't you are supporting violations of human rights. Any condemnation of someone who claims to adhere to the sunni doctrine is very questionable in that regard. Either it's ignorance or hypocrisy. There is no honesty in that position. You can't at the same time accept a doctrine sending humanity back to medieval times and at the same time claim you are condemning violations of human rights. I know in the west these political goals are often not mentioned to the community by the sunni clerics and scholars. They hide behind a message of peace while having a double agenda of killing infidels, executing drug addicts, lynching homosexuals etc etc.
Furthermore I don't view sunnism as a religion. Sunnism isn't even compatible with Quran without abrogating it. I don't consider them anymore a religion than I consider zionism to be a religion. They are for a large part doctrines with political/secular ambitions involving a lot more than just religion, as you know. I respect all muslims, jews, christians even atheists. What your belief is regarding God doesn't matter to me. But when I get confronted with a political movement that is high-jacking and abusing religion to violate human rights, I will react. I will not keep my mouth shut. It involves me. The islamophobia it fuels does not discriminate. I'm no different from the tens of thousand orthodox jews in NYC that protest against the zionist crimes. I'm not targeting religion nor sects at all.
I'm aware a large majority of the sunni's in the world are shocked by the acts of ISIS and the Caliphate. But it's the sunni doctrine put to practice. Just like Israel is zionism put to ultimate practice. Like Iran is shia doctrine put to practice. Common denominator: violation of human rights on epic scale. Should I just continue to be witness of this evil that is brainwashing people and costing lives daily while keeping my mouth shut. I'm afraid I can't.
Peace.
ISIS, like Alqadea before it, is more a Western creation than a Sunni one.
The US needs enemies to get public support for its military action - ISIS is the new reason to get back into Iraq and stop the liberation of the country at the hands of the ex-military, tribes, and baathists.
At the time of the Yazeedi media frenzy people were clamoring over each other for military action in Iraq 'to help the poor Yazeedies on mt Sinjar'. That US operations have expanded to attack areas liberated inside Ninveh and Tikrit does not seem to phase anyone - and, just in case support was getting soft, here is a Nick Berg style execution (including the same orange prison suit) showing the evil ISIS to ensure there will be no objection as the military operations expand further.
Lets pls always remember 49:6.
Peace Layth.
Exactly brother.
The same way we have to check your story,and anyone else s story...etc.
Now ,in my opinion two wrongs do not make one of them right.
The checking has become difficult for the majority because of false loyalties and bias.
The bottom line is, do not trust any system until you verify .
Except, of course, the work of some systems that is clearly showing them to be oppressive criminals.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
lets Try to get closer to God, He is in the middle and no extremes, to know the real truth.
Quote from: Layth on August 22, 2014, 05:11:44 AM
ISIS, like Alqadea before it, is more a Western creation than a Sunni one.
The US needs enemies to get public support for its military action - ISIS is the new reason to get back into Iraq and stop the liberation of the country at the hands of the ex-military, tribes, and baathists.
At the time of the Yazeedi media frenzy people were clamoring over each other for military action in Iraq 'to help the poor Yazeedies on mt Sinjar'. That US operations have expanded to attack areas liberated inside Ninveh and Tikrit does not seem to phase anyone - and, just in case support was getting soft, here is a Nick Berg style execution (including the same orange prison suit) showing the evil ISIS to ensure there will be no objection as the military operations expand further.
Lets pls always remember 49:6.
It's kind of funny to see someone referring to 49:6 after presenting a conspiracy theory as factual. The core elements of the political/religious system implemented by both Al Quada and ISIS is core sunni doctrine. Regardless if you believe in conspiracy theories or not, you can't say sunni islam is a western invention.
Quote from: runninglikezebras on August 22, 2014, 01:02:59 PM
The core elements of the political/religious system implemented by both Al Quada and ISIS is core sunni doctrine.
No its not, its salafi doctrine / wahabism.
Quote from: runninglikezebras on August 22, 2014, 01:02:59 PM
Regardless if you believe in conspiracy theories or not, you can't say sunni islam is a western invention.
You are right, he cant say sunni islam was created by the west, it was actually created by the persian imams of the zoroastrian religion. However, salafism which ISIS and al qaida was created by the west. Western countries are trying very hard to turn the "Memoirs of Mr. Hempher, The British Spy to the Middle East" into a conspiracy theory.
;D Don't forget wahabbism, manufactured by the British.
Anyways, when media started going all crazy with Foley's execution I got suspicious. I watched that beheading video and then went to search for the guy's pics on Google. I was having trouble recognizing him. He didn't look like the beheaded guy.
Thanks to Allah, later I found out the truth. Given below. First listen to his story and then go to frame 4:28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AvOQrTUEBA
I really wonder whether ISIS allows their prisoners to go for plastic surgery and botox. I thought prisoners get skinnier. But here Foley was fed so much that his face became bumpy ;D
This thread has gone full retard.
This reminds me when I saw the video from 2006 of the two Muslims who were kidnapped by Russian Neo-Nazis and later on beheaded in front of the camera. ISIS and the Russian Neo-Nazis have a lot of things in common..
It's not suprising that there are many British jihadists in Iraq and it wouldn't even suprise me if there were Danish jihadists. Britain and Denmark has the biggest worst 'muslims' ever and I mean the worst 'muslims' ever. Of course these Islamists shouldn't really be considered muslims, and I agree. I also agree with one who said that there has been thousands of people who have been killed before this American. These beheadings have existed in Islamist held territories for 3-4 years and no action was taken while it was being called 'democracy'. Infact the US/West had no problem in handing out the 'moderate' rebels weapons that ended up in ISIS hands especially when people began to defect from several Islamist factions to another like ISIS. I hope that everyone can now take a look at Britain and Denmark and start taking action. It's simple for America to get Britain or Denmark on its knees and start arresting these jihadists who killed its citizens because America has a strong army, but yet when Iraq does that it never happens. Britain and Denmark the 2 terrorist countries are afraid of America because America could wipe the hell out of Denmark and Britain. Hitler proved it. Denmark and Britain are so afraid that they have to hide behind NATO when they pick a fight against any country. I've for long been outraged on how these two countries are taking ZERO action against the jihadists who travel to other countries to kill - Instead the moronic countries decide to withdraw their citizenship without giving them any jail or anything. In Iraq, the Kurds along with the Iraqi army took back a part of Mosul. Sadly in Syria the Islamic State managed to capture Tabqa(An Airbase in Raqqa which was controlled by the Syrian regime) were many soldiers were captured and beheaded. The thing is that Europe is definently responsible for ISIS creation. Both indirectly and directly. Most cannonfodder is coming from Europe(especially Belgium, UK, Denmark or Chechenya) and not the Middle-east(except for perhaps Jordan), and a lot of private funds is coming from countries like Kuwait, Saudi-Arabia, Qatar and the European countries but ISIS is not dependant on private funds anymore given the fact that it looted the banks in Mosul and it's looting the oil-refineries especially in Deir Ez-Zour. America does not talk about Saudi-Arabia funding terrorism. Removing Abdullah will ensure that no revolution gets hjiacked in the future. There was a Danish savage who claimed to be 'muslim' while supporting ISIS and he got attacked by Kurds. Kurds rule Denmark. Mind you that 3-4 years ago many British jihadists traveled to the Middle-east to join for jihad and at this time ISIS was still a small Islamist group as Al-Nusra was the main leading group until many Al-Nusra militants began to defect to ISIS while carrying their weapons with them especially the ones that were handed out to them by the FSA. Many British jihadists who left to kill were never arrested when they came back until recently when attention is pointed at Britain. If you go to twitter right now and type 'Al-Britani' (The British), you'll come across an ISIS supporter or atleast a member of their garbage terrorist group. I know I've spoken about how ISIS is looting oil-refineries, but to whom is it selling its oil to? Answer: Turkey(A NATO-country). There are actually reports of oil flowing from ISIS to Turkey. The ISIS terrorists are flocking through Turkey from Europe and NATO isn't doing anything about it either.
Sunnis can't really be blamed on these idiotic Jihadists. Why? One.. The people who are fighting ISIS on ground are Sunnis and not atheists or Qur'anists. Two, ISIS is condemned by the majority Sunnis, hence the reason why ISIS-members remain a minority 3. Sunnis are also paying a big price living under these savages. There are mass-executions everyday, and the person is most likely to be a Sunni because the other religious groups fled/were expelled. ISIS has killed more Sunnis than Shia extremists could ever had. These people who join ISIS are a bunch of uneducated morons who just want to join to loot. We can see how the stupid Chechens join ISIS because they are so pathetic. Just take a look at their country they have ZERO education, morals or ethics. I asked my Sunni grandmother who fled from Yarmouk(Which is mostly held by FSA/Al-Nusra) what she thinks about ISIS (Daesh) and she told me that they're the biggest terrorists and that they murder muslims and that they entered from the Turkish borders and my grandmother opposes both the FSA and the regime BTW. I told her about how ISIS are cutting hands for stealing, imposing Shariah law, killing any civilians while expelling people from their homes for their religion, beheading people, etc. The thing is that many people living in Yarmouk don't know what is going on in the eastern-parts of Syria. I will tell you what I've seen on the media regarding Sunnis. If Sunnis gets beheaded by ISIS nobody cares but if a Yazidi, Christian or even Shia gets killed/beheaded it's all on the news. My point is that everyone is forgetting the fact that Sunnis are suffering equally as much.
The fact that there is a group called ISIS is due to the lack of education. Regardless.. There is no way they are going to be given a chance to 'repent'. All of them will be killed Insh'allah. All ISIS-militants can f'ck off to heaven(which is hell for them) and have their '72-virgins'. If I was God, I'd have burned ISIS to the ground impatiently.
(http://i.imgur.com/Rk0P7zH.png)
There was a church that had been turned into an ISIS headquarter but after Kurds/Iraqis took it back all ISIS flags and logos were burned. They've given the building life by restoring it to what it once was. In Palestine, ISIS has no support and never will have any support. Do you know what would happen if ISIS captured Gaza? They'd burn the Palestinian churches to the ground while burning the Palestinian flag because it's 'haram' and while expelling all the non-Sunni Palestinians. If you see people waving the Palestinian flag and ISIS flags in Britain then they are probaly Pakistanis/South-Asians. There was a picture were some Pakistanis were waving the Palestinian flag and the ISIS flags too in the UK and many idiots assumed that it was Palestinians when it was infact Pakistanis. Waving the Palestinian flag and ISIS flag is like saying that you support the Jews and that you support Hitler at the same time. It's so contradicting.
I'm sick on these people who blame Muslims for ISIS while ignoring the fact that it's Arab/Kurdish Muslims who are fighting ISIS and no one else. Meanwhile in the West you get to hear about how some idiotic Danish/British moron talks about how his food didin't taste good the other day. The guy who said that Iraq is facing an invasion is definently correct, meanwhile the Westerner morons will be like ''Oh take a look at they are killing each other'' without realizing that Iraqis are defending their land and are killing the Western scumbags who pretend to be muslims. Some of the moronic Westerners will be like ''This is a revolution'' what a bunch of idiots. Take a look at this ISIS-leaflet being handed out in Britain asking 'Muslims' to join the 'caliphate' that is currently in parts of Iraq and Syria:
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This is done with the full permission of the British government. The British and the Danish Muslims are probaly the worst Muslims I have ever seen. As a Muslim, I live near other Muslims here and none of them acts this way infact I'm pretty sure that we can all agree that ISIS should f'ck off to hell and this is Sweden - Here Muslims, Christians, etc are all civilized now compare that to pathetic countries like Denmark or Britain - The ISIS-flag being burned I posted was done in Sweden and it's being burned in Lebanon too as a response to the ISIS-militants/fanboys who were burning Christian crosses while killing both Muslim and Christian Lebanese soldiers and civilians. I live near Yugoslavian/Lebanese Muslims(All of them are Sunnis) and none of them supports this shitty 'caliphate' infact they oppose it. Meanwhile in countries like Britain and Denmark you see people like Anjem Choudry, or more other idiotic cowardly 'muslims' who support ISIS. These people shouldn't really be considered Muslims. They are such a disease really. Notice how I always put an apostrophe when I write muslims on them because they aren't muslims. And if they ever come to an Arab country, they should be given death-sentence and their corpse should be sent back to South-Asia or Britain. Any 'muslim' who goes to the so called 'caliphate' is responsible in ethnic-cleansing the Arab Christians, and I hope that they will be found. The Arab countries need to start an organisation in similiar to the Mossad or the CIA that is willing to go around to the Western countries to assassinate these terrorists. It's only now when America begins to point its attention towards Britain that Britain begins to arrest these people. While saying this.. There is A LOT of similarities between ISIS and Israel/Zionists. ISIS believes in an 'Islamic' homeland while Zionists believe in a 'Jewish' homeland. I've seen idiotic 'muslims' who speak out more against Hamas than they do against ISIS when ISIS is 10x more worse. These 'idiotic' muslims aren't Arabs but rather South-Asians and Europeans who tend to live in the Arab countries. We should deport them IMO and keep our countries clean. Afterall if we can deport these morons who claim to be muslims and bring back the Arab atheists or christians that will be a huge win. We are not muslim countries as people claim and foreign 'muslims' must not be given any type of special privilege for being 'muslims'(It's things like this that allows people like Anjem Choudry to run around with his opinions). Let them leave Islam no one cares infact none of them has ever been a Muslim to begin with. As a Muslim, I do not care about the other fake trash who claims to be Muslims. If they support groups that massacres Arab civilians or if they support war against the Arab countries, we'll put them down for good. Send a MiG-35 over their head and let it do the job. There was already a so called worthless British 'muslim'(I think he was of Pakistani or Indian origin) who revoked his British citizenship before he Immigrated to the so called 'caliphate'.
Anyway just 6-7 days ago, ISIS killed 700 tribal members(who started their uprising against ISIS) in Deir Ez-Zour in just one day.
Dawla-Al Islamiyya? More like Dawla al-Klaab. Those idiotic ISIS-militants thinks that James Foley was a soldier but he was just a civilian who wanted to show the suffering of the Syrian people. Sadly enough ISIS kills civilians to achieve its terrorist goals. It's like Israel or NATO(A terrorist organisation). The Europeans on the otherhand like usual tries to play innocent now. They gave tons of weapons and cheered on Qatars aid to the FSA and it all ended up in the wrong hands, and they did it on purpose. They acted as if they were planning for A but knew they were gonna get a Z and they get a Z. Now they are acting as if they were planning an A from the very beginning. The Qatar regime has sent billions of dollars to Islamists groups in Syria. But of course, don't blame the West or Saudi-Arabia!! Ppl always blame the West or Saudi-Arabia as the moronic Westerners claim. Mind you that the Westerners do not have relatives or family living there while many Syrians do. I think many Syrians can agree to the fact that both the regime and ISIS/Al-Nusra/FSA are bad but ISIS and any other Islamist group are the worst and that ISIS, Al-Nusra, and all all the Islamists militants came through Turkey while Qatar was arming them. ISIS is not Syrian or Iraqi, it's a terrorist group were the majority of its members are foreigner scumbags who flocked mostly from Europe through the Turkish borders who are being exterminated atm. There are reports of the European union having a trade embargo with the rebels in Syria. The Syrian rebels would sell them oil, and in return the European scumbags would give the Syrian rebels some primitive weapons. The Europeans actually want the Islamists to leave their countries to go and kill. I support airstrikes against ISIS 100% but also while saying this there should be airstrikes against Europe too. You need to wipe out the nest which is Britain, Denmark and Chechenya. Right now there are reports that ISIS is selling its oil to Turkey which is how ISIS is getting its funds. Even if ISIS captures the oil-refineries in NO WAY is it suppose to be able to gain funds through them unless someone is actually buying the oil from them.
Both Syria and Iraq are facing an invasion. Do not call ISIS or Al-Nusra 'Syrian rebels' or 'Iraqi rebels'.. NONE of them are rebels and don't give them the pleasure to be called Syrian or Iraqi. They are foreigners from Europe who flocked through the Turkish borders. ISIS is worse than Hitler, but ISIS can't really even be compared to Hitler except for their attrocities. Atleast Hitler brought technology, medicine and so on to Germany while ISIS brings religious cancer and nothing else. Atleast Hitler didin't blow up German heritage sites infact he considered them sacred. In reality, the Nazis were 10x more advanced than ISIS. Since the Westerners support Israel, why don't they also support ISIS as well? They just want a homeland for Jews, correct? Do they want a homeland for 'Muslims' too? Cowards. I'm waiting for that day when the Arab world starts improving by removing all the European retards and when we start removing the Wahabbis one by one. The Wahabbis should be put into gaschambers though. The thing is that the Arab countries are too nice towards the European Muslims.. We can bring up Anjem Choudray as the perfect example of a 'European Muslim'(Although he is not really native).. He is the perfect example of Darwins theory. Anjem Choudry is a huge supporter of the Islamic state that massacres Iraqi civilians:
https://twitter.com/anjemchoudary
Because the truth is that this gypsy doesn't already have one homeland to live in already. Why does he need Iraq? HIS homeland is PAKISTAN. I'm outraged on how he talks about Gaza.. He shouldn't be allowed to call himself a Palestine supporter if he supports ISIS. Go Iraqi army!! Whether you be atheists, christians, muslims just kill this trash like Anjem Choudry. I support the Iraqi army 100% in taking back its land, and I support Syria in taking back its land especially Deir-Ez Zour. If Anjem Choudry were to come to Lebanon or any country were Arab nationalism has a strong presence, Anjem Choudry would have been found dead. Let's make it clear to these stupid European 'muslims'. This moronic Anjem Choudry can walk into Egypt with no one having to search him for terrorist activites. BANN this clown ANJEM choudry from ALL Arab countries, and bann his kind too. I challenge Anjem Choudry or any other European 'muslim'/Islamist especially those who are a huge fan of ISIS to jump off a cliff and let's see if Allah is ACTUALLY on their side. Or even better, I challenge them to go to Lebanon and tell the people there especially the Muslims that they're a supporter of ISIS. The Lebanese muslims will send their corpse back to Europe. Anjem Choudry should do Islam a favor and just leave Islam and go back to being an uneducated moron. What does he really contribute besides his death? There's a huge day in Lebanon these days. It's the 'Burn ISIS flag challenge' that's becoming popular in Lebanon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvQJqhcRtts
Many Lebanese, including Lebanese Muslims are burning the ISIS flags everyday. The Lebanese are secular and they'd support their country against anyone anyday.
Britain has actually identified the guy who beheaded James Foley. It appears to be a 22-years old rapper. Now can Britain identify this British pr'ck and take action as well:
(http://i.imgur.com/GIcqHXj.png)
Or will Britain like usual not care? Now I know why Hitler got sick of Britain and tried to annilihate it for good. And had it been up to me, I'd have annilihated the Islamists until they don't exist anymore. The Islamists should face a similiar event to Kristallnacht. The difference is? Kristallnacht were done by the Nazis against Innocent people, while my version of Kristallnacht is done against religious extremists who needs to be thrown out of a country. The European Muslims shouldn't be respected either.. They are as terrible as the Islamists. Europe is a save-haven for the Islamists to go back to after they're done killing innocents. Personally I have lost my respect for many Europeans whether they be Muslims, Jews, Christians, etc. They're are a HUGE enemy along with the Islamists to the Arab world. Sadly the ISIS-logos are being sold in some Arab countries by some Islamists which is something that should be removed. Remove their logos, their colors, their religious extremism and their entire kind for good.
This Al-Britani Al-Irhabi has to hide his face like a coward just like that cowardly British pr'ck who beheaded James. Notice how the Islamists always wear masks and claims to fear no one but Allah. They wear masks because they are cowards. Sayyad Al-Britani should actually name himself Al-Denmarki too.. Afterall, he is a terrorist and that name suits him perfectly. He will end up like his pahetic Al-Denmarki brother: https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/440022713147465728/photo/1
The brave Iraqi army is making huge advancement in Iraq killing ISIS-militants everyday. The best part about ISIS is that they always die in huge numbers.
Beheading of Foley has been proven fake. Lock this topic and move on.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/experts-james-foley-beheading-video-likely-fake.html
So much words ﻋﻮﻧﻲ. I have to agree with you that sunnis take most of the toll and majority of sunnis condemn ISIS. But it doesn't change the fact that ISIS whole ideology was drawn from Sunni Books of Hadith and Sunnah, Tafsir and Seerat. I do not blame all the sunnis for the atrocities of ISIS but i insist that ISIS ideology is a full application of sunni teachings. You can't keep cursing these militants all day while the very books from which you teach your women to cover in black from head to toe, to refraim from smiling in public etc legalizes offensive Jihad to install Sharia and other atrocities ISIS commit in the name of Islam.
For long we 've been urging orthodox muslims, "return to the Quran alone and be open to rational interpretation, leave out secondary sources, they are full of conjectures and lacking of any Quranic or logical basis, they breed extremism, ultraconservatism, aggression and backwardness". But they would not heed, they stuck with their leaders who labelled us modernists, heretics and even apostates. The truth is that no one is 100% evil in this. Even the militants were good minded muslims seeking the best path untill stumbling upon pages of revered Hadith, Tafsir and Sirat radicalized and send them down the path of villainy.
My point is that the people who are fighting ISIS are actually Sunnis. The Kurdish Muslims, especially the Peshmerga(Who are fighting ISIS), is predominantly Sunni for example.
I'm not Sunni(Or maybe I consider myself traditionally) but I'm not going to defend Sunnism or any religion in particular, however I see religious extremism as a result in the lack of education too and I agree with you on what you say about the hadiths. 100% of the ISIS-militants are uneducated rats who still until this day call an airplane 'the flying machine'.. How embarassing. There are bad Sunnis and there are good Sunnis. In the levant, there are good secular Sunnis and in South-Asia and Europe there are bad Sunnis because these people are uneducated. Most Sunnis I know here eat pork meat, drink beer and are really secular this is because Sweden made them secular thanks to the education they were given and the society they grew up in. The Yugoslavian/Balkan Sunnis I've met tend to be really secular, and the Lebanese Muslims too. My Bosnian muslim friend who was born a Sunni eats pork meat, parties a lot and goes to Denmark to f'ck prostitutes and even my Lebanese friend does that as well!
Personally as a muslim, I believe that no religion should be given any fund whether it be Judaism, Christianity, Islam or Hinduism because there is nothing to gain from it - it's better to put it on science. The Arab countries need to stop focusing on improving South-Asia and start focusing on their own countries instead. The Saudi regime needs to be removed.. It's a cancer that is pulling its country to the stone age with the help of the European clowns. The Europeans are actually taking an advantage from Saudi-Arabia by selling them some primitive weapons. The Europeans are stupid and have no weapons and only knows how to beg America for help. The Saudi regime benefits Europe a lot given the fact that the Saudi regime spends billions of dollars especially on mosques in Europe. Hillary Clinton was given a medal by Abdullah.. For what? Killing children with drones? What an idiot the Saudi regime is. The West is quiet about its ally the Bahranian regime were the regime is killing protestors everyday. As for South-Asia the Saudi regime spends a lot of funds on mosques there too while putting money on the worst things ever. The Sheikhs needs to be found and arrested.. All of them. The religious are the ones who are the most evil one. I'm not religious, and I could care less about the other people who share the same religion as me. I for starters hate the Muslims who support Israel it's because they are so God damn stupid and think that they are somehow 'special' because they are the only ones doing it. Between my religion and my country, I'd choose my country anyday. The Arab countries have many brilliant scientists living in the Western countries.. These scientists should come back to the Arab countries and contribute after the new leaders are done getting rid of the religious morons one by one. The Europeans or the Americans do not deserve this.. They don't deserve to have foreign scientists living in their countries. Let them go back to whining about Immigration. Jesus once said 'Never throw pearls at swines'. Anyway Syria has really amazing people and Iran too. Carlos Menem is of Syrian origin who was the president of Argentina from 1989 to 1999. Or people like Steve Jobs who is of Syrian origin too or American politicians like Mitch Daniels. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitch_Daniels
The Sheikhs especially the radical ones will all be removed and replaced with the Arab scientists. I seek to get rid of religious stupidity. Sadly I've seen foreign Muslims who live in the Arab countries and support the enemies of the Arab countries like ISIS or Israel. It's time that we deport them. That Jordanian sheikh who loves Israel so much needs to be removed IMO - He can be deported to Europe instead. Their argument for supporting Israel ''BECAUSE THE QUR'AN SAID SO!!!''.. Yet they've never even read the Qur'an obviously. They should actually get a proper education rather than to become religious idiots. I know more about Islam than them. The European 'muslims' need to screw off from the Arab countries.
Quoteou can't keep cursing these militants all day while the very books from which you teach your women to cover in black from head to toe, to refraim from smiling in public etc legalizes offensive Jihad to install Sharia and other atrocities ISIS commit in the name of Islam.
They are not my books. Such books should be burned really.. And you can't say 'your women', I don't own any women and I never would. I don't believe in forcing anyone into wearing a niqab or a hijab if that's what you think infact I'm against it, and I'm sure that most Sunnis have this id?a as well. I bet the Danish and the British Sunnis think the opposite.. They are evil as hell. This should be blamed on Denmark and Britain too for making them act like retards. Sweden on the otherhand has made many Muslims realize that being religious is not everything. Sweden is based on equality which is why many countries tries to copy Sweden but they actually fail which is what makes Sweden unique. Sweden is ranked as the 4th country(45%) when it comes to who has the most women in parliament. Israel, Britain and Denmark all tries to copy Sweden but they fail so much especially Israel. Denmark on otherhand is wannabe Sweden.. Really Denmark has terrible history, culture and language. Sweden destroys Denmark in terms of everything. I grew up in Sweden and I think it's a really good country which some would consider as as 'Qur'anist country', but I really don't. The fact that the country is good is due to the people who developed it. They never used religion and they never needed God either.
The Levant on the otherhand is not like the African countries were you see groups like Boko Haram or Pakistan/India were rape is high. Lebanon is really an amazing country, and so is Syria. The Muslims I've met there are really nice people. The Christians I've met are really nice and good people too.. Not like the moronic Danish Christians who still probaly believe that Allah is some kind of 'satan'.
ISIS is a foreign group mostly made up by European 'muslims' who aren't really Muslims however just remember that the group is NOT from the levant or Iraq. Really why is it always the Europeans who give Islam a bad name.. But it's not only Islam, it's also Judaism. The European Jews are a perfect example.. Zionism is a European ideology for example which makes Judaism look bad. The Europeans will always be like ''Oh take a look at those Muslims they are killing each other'' without realizing the fact that Muslims are killing European scumbags i.e ISIS. European nationals being exterminated everyday which is perfect.
QuoteEven the militants were good minded muslims seeking the best path untill stumbling upon pages of revered Hadith, Tafsir and Sirat radicalized and send them down the path of villainy.
I disagree. The militants were never good minded muslims, and they were never even muslims to begin with. They were born evil, and hell is the only place they deserve.
How we can improve Islam's reputation is by removing all the Danish and the British muslims. They shouldn't be allowed to consider themselves Muslims.. They're given Islam a bad name.
I've come to this conclusion that those who are really bad are the Europeans, South-Asians and the Saudi regime/Wahabbis/Religious extremists. They're giving Islam a bad name.
Quote from: runninglikezebras on August 21, 2014, 09:12:10 AM
I 've contacted a few political parties in my country today, to try and break the sectarian monopoly on islamic institutions in my country. This has to stop! These hadith-criminals are giving every moderate muslim in the world a bad reputation, not to mention how they are violating God.
Many of these hadith-brainwashed fighters in IS are indoctrinated in Europe and the west.
We have to make a stand. We have to inform our political parties what these institutions really stand for and make it clear to them they do not represent Islam, in contrary they are creating state enemies.
I will not stop before I see this sunnite monopoly in my country broken and destroyed. It would be nice to have some mosques around that actually represent Islamic values instead of spreading propaganda for an evil-natured Caliphate and justifications for violations of human rights.
If we are going to break the monopoly of the Orthodox muslims on Islam, then we have to fix ourselves first.
In the middle east, we pathetically have no voice at all. In the west, we have little voice but we remain suppressed by the extremists. Virtually all the mosques and Islamic schools in the west are run by Hadith loving muslims. And so yearly, the rate of radicalization of muslims in the west increases significantly. How many schools or mosques adhering to God alone do we have in the west?
There are so many websites disseminating extreme and ultra conservative ideas even in the west. How many websites do we have to counter these orthodox sites. This is the only online forum where Quran and God alone is being promoted but then it is scanty, difficult to navigate and almost lifeless but there are numerous sunni forums all over google. Aside Brother Ahmed Mansour 's IQC and Edip Yuksel 's Youtube channel there is no significant voice from our side on internet.
Then how many of us have truely embraced our Quranic views? Some, after rejecting Hadith just forget everything about the message and disappear. Some just become closet Quran alone muslims, but still entrenched in sunni practices either for the sake of family ties or maybe not ready to make that shift just yet.
@runninglikezebras, i appreciate your concern and effort but in general we 've not demonstrated the capacity of making that change. We lack the strength of brotherhood that have been keeping the sectarians in power.
The time just isn't ripe yet.
Peace Neptin.
Good question you posed "Are we ready"?
Each and everyone of us needs to ask this question individually first.
Imagine you are meeting your Creator tomorrow, are you ready to face Him? If the answer is positive, Only then you can lead by example?
Even so, it is GOD who is in control and we have to trust Him and involve Him as well?
Taking GOD s words seriously, every word, is a start.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Quote from: runninglikezebras on August 21, 2014, 09:12:10 AMI 've contacted a few political parties in my country today, to try and break the sectarian monopoly on islamic institutions in my country. This has to stop! These hadith-criminals are giving every moderate muslim in the world a bad reputation, not to mention how they are violating God.
Sadly and as much as I hate to say it the only politicians here in Sweden who seem to have a brain when it comes to dealing with the Islamists are the ring-wingers. You should tell your politicians to arrest these Islamist scumbags who come back and not just revoke their citizenship and let them get away with their crimes like Britain or Denmark is doing. Most importantly is to not allow them to even leave the country.
Quote from: runninglikezebras on August 21, 2014, 09:12:10 AM
James Foley was brutally murdered by the criminals who support hadith and sunnah. I strongly condemn this crime. It shows the true nature of the sectarians. This has encouraged me to take action. I've contacted a few political parties in my country today, to try and break the sectarian monopoly on islamic institutions in my country. This has to stop! These hadith-criminals are giving every moderate muslim in the world a bad reputation, not to mention how they are violating God. My thoughts go out to the friends and family of James Foley. I cant imagine their sadness.
(http://www.marquette.edu/magazine/images/fall2011/bnr-phonecall.jpg)
The butcher who executed this horrible murder was clearly using some kind of London accent. Many of these hadith-brainwashed fighters in IS are indoctrinated in Europe and the west. Many of the Islamic institutions are funded with government/tax money. We have to take a stand and break this deadlock. How will we ever defeat this sectarian monopoly on Islam if we just let them receive tax money to continue their indoctrination of muslims? We have to make a stand. We have to inform our political parties what these institutions really stand for and make it clear to them they do not represent Islam, in contrary they are creating state enemies.
I will not stop before I see this sunnite monopoly in my country broken and destroyed. It would be nice to have some mosques around that actually represent Islamic values instead of spreading propaganda for an evil-natured Caliphate and justifications for violations of human rights.
The muslim executive got called out in my country to distance itself from IS. They first refused, later they released a press statement saying they dont share the same islamic values. But they are lying. Ask them about their hadith and sunnah and you will find out, secretly they share the same values as IS. It's time to break down this sectarian wall for good.
I asked this question in another thread I started about the impact ISI is having on the Muslim world. You are right that the sects differences with ISIS is tactical and not strategic. They share similar values but differ in applications. They both believe that prisoners of war can be executed by orders of the Muslim ruler.
I was wondering the impact this might have on Quranist Islam. This might be a good opening for us to finally get Muslims to see these sects for what they are.
Quote from: runninglikezebras on August 21, 2014, 01:20:30 PM
My country has the most of all European countries fighting for IS. Not only the sunnite indoctrination contributes to those figures, also the growing islamophobia. I guess that is not an issue in Indonesia. The growing islamophobia makes these muslims even more motivated to fight for IS.
I do accuse the sunni community of hypocrisy though. They might feel IS is wrong but the hadith and the sunnah they defend share the same principles with IS. We should use this caliphate as an example of what their unauthorized teachings lead to. It's hypocritical to defend the theology of sunnism while condemning the acts of IS.
Very good point.
With faces covered, they look like women, They are posturing as hard core terrorists but actually should be cowards on a secret mission :)