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Title: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Jane on June 27, 2014, 11:49:05 AM
Peace all,

So I have been busy on the Nature of God topics. Lots of debate about what Allah/the God is or is not, but I was just thinking earlier that actually I didn't notice anyone say 'God is love'; I sometimes hear this but I don't really get it. If God is awareness is that what love is also?

Lots of people are obsessed with measuring how much they are loved or trying to get more - 'you don't love me enough' or 'you'd do it if you really loved me' etc, you hear a lot. I am thinking well, what is this precious stuff anyway? Maybe I don't care if or how much I am loved; I think personally if I were to just get to know what it was, then I think that would be enough for me...

anyone think they know??

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Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Sonny on June 27, 2014, 01:07:30 PM
Good question. Plato once said: "Love is a serious mental disease", sometimes I have to agree with him  ;D. If you talk about love between man and woman than I think love is a chemical process in a body that creates emotions, like drugs, people become addicted to each other.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: huruf on June 27, 2014, 01:44:08 PM
Well love is just as God. Each person has his or her mental idea of what love may mean or is. Undoubtedly there is something but there could hardly be definition that would suit everybody.

For me love is the aspiration to unity and the need for it.

Salaam
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Man of Faith on June 27, 2014, 02:53:03 PM
Peace,

To maintain unity we need to show immense love for our fellow brothers and sisters, but the hardest part is to show love to a stranger. And obviously love is to show kindness, respect, justice, sound judgment and all else that the recitation (Quran) teaches.

The intention is not only to keep the unity between those who are already in your assembly but also invite the people in distant lands. What difference does it make if we only show love towards those who are inclined towards you?

Perhaps this was not the kind of love you were referring to though?

But we should not just expect too much of people to love us. Often you have to show ten times as much love before you get anything in return. And also there is a n conflict in how different people perceive love. And there can be gender-specific differences where men sometimes have another mind regarding how you show love. This may cause conflicts with women who are expecting love a certain way.

And men may feel unappreciated for what they do in terms of providing for their family in old school settings because they find a grumpy woman at home mostly complaining about things.

Moving more to the nature of love; in my eyes there are more than one variant. You have lusts and desires (sexual) which is simply reptile brain drives with the instinct to reproduce which our intellect (ab)uses by applying various kinds of prevention methods. That is not the real "love". Attachment and the bonding between man and woman separate from instincts is the real love in my opinion and when you love the person for who he/she is and not only for their looks and seducing moves or money and status. I can understand the primitive feelings of a woman to want a man who is self-sufficient and confident in himself, but that is another story.

As you said there may be an obsession with being loved, but it might also be that we do not do enough for our loved ones in some cases. A man can have problems with imagination and being romantic because beneath his heart he is just a very typical rough male. Women often want men to be "romantic" and many men may have problems with that and they are then accused of not showing love. And I think women often miss some things that the man subtly does for his woman possibly out of love. And women are often demanding on that front so it does frequently not matter if you try to give that little extra because she perceives it not.

I guess we should not blame these women for it, but we may blame romantic movies and novels for it because they create a too-perfect imaginary world for the woman to live in.

And we may blame action movies and coldy men in them for the kind of exaggerated behavior in men about having to be macho and often violent and emotionally detached.

The problem is in ourselves.

God bless you
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Zulf on June 28, 2014, 04:43:18 AM
To maintain unity we need to show immense love for our fellow brothers and sisters, but the hardest part is to show love to a stranger. And obviously love is to show kindness, respect, justice, sound judgment and all else that the recitation (Quran) teaches.

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But we should not just expect too much of people to love us.

Agreed.

I'd say that a prerequisite for love is selflessness. You cannot love someone, i.e. show love, if you're also selfish. Love is about NOT being selfish. If a selfish person loves something, then I guess it is just some sort of fascination or fondness or other type of attraction, but not actually love.

Also, the more peaceful you are inside, the easier it is to love... not just other people, but the world, and even your so called enemies. Love doesn't so much depend on the object of your love, but rather on yourself. For the selfless and peaceful people, love is not a mystery, but highly normal.

The feeling of falling in love, having a crush, is also not love... but rather a temporary intoxication. To have a crush on someone is definitely not the same as loving someone, although people mix these things too much.

I'd also say that the need for love is many times not really a need for love. Rather it is a need for attention and soothing. We may feel empty in side, so we want to cover it up with "love" from outside. If we feel we are in need of love, then we oftentimes have issues within ourselves to solve.. pertaining to peace and accepting oneself. If we cannot love our self then it would be hard to get love from the outside/somebody else.

 :group:
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: huruf on June 28, 2014, 06:12:29 AM
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The feeling of falling in love, having a crush, is also not love... but rather a temporary intoxication. To have a crush on someone is definitely not the same as loving someone, although people mix these things too much.


And if it lasts 40 years is it also a temprorary intoxication?

I think love has many colours and textures and I say "yes" even if temporaryif infatuation if intoxication, it is love, a taste of love, not the all love, but it is a taste of it. We love because all our being asks for union, for melting with the beloved. But of course that is too much and God usually does not give us much of it. We mi8ght in fact get more than we can handle and then really, really become deluded thinking how great we must be that we have managed the difficult thing of earning the perfect love.

I rather suffer for love one hundred times than to think love is another word for success. In many things said about couple love, the final conclusion seems to be that if it does not turn out right it is failure on our part. I reject that outright. Love is never a failure, no matter how much disenchantment, unrequited love, heartbreaks or whatever, we are never cheated on anything. Love is there for us to love, not to be loved. If you love, no matter how disappointed to get, you still have done your part of the deal, and you earn your lesson, and GROW, like when you have pains in the knees or other parts because you are growing up.

I think we should thank God from our fearts for every love in our lives, every infatuation or intoxication, it is not a a disgrace or a failure, it is a gift, it is the most heartening of gifts.

I agree with all the criticism of romantic love for the absurd expectations it has brought people, specially women to have from men and the deapth of humilliation a abjection so many have undergone for the sake of that kin of love. But that said, what a gift it is... no gift can match falling in love and staying in for however long. While it lasts you are a believer. The challenge is to continue being a believer after it is ended. But we should thnk god. Wehumans ar enot meant to be perfect, but to be alive, be warriors in a quest, daring and trusting in our destiny. Whatever amount of union we may experience in a failed love, we may think that it was a cheat, that we cheated ourselves, nd it may be so, it is so. But not abosolutely so. There is always something, at the cor, that is true the truest of the truth. God has given us something that we maight not have expected that was not all, but that was like having a gold piece of unending beauty. It is not all the gold of the world, but it is still gold and of the purest kind.

What one should not do is loose self respect, dignity letting oneself become a steping slab for somebody unscrupulous. No matter how tempted we feel to give in to that person because we are so much taken up with him or her, we should put a limit to the concession, even while in love we should serve ustice and equity and not let somebody we love do things that we despise just because we love him adn he can get away with them. So, if it ends, when it ends, we will not be bitter at our own errors and indignities.

Love comes, I said, in many colours, the love of friendship, the love of beauty, the love of a father or a mother, or of a sibling or the love for your neighbours, for people you do not know, for everything. Those are the colours of love, as many as there are things in existence.

But please, do not do away with the colour of "romantic" love. The rainbow would get mad at you.

Salaam

Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Zulf on June 28, 2014, 11:10:02 AM
And if it lasts 40 years is it also a temprorary intoxication?

Well, 40 years doesn't sound very temporary. It doesn't sound very common either... that you remain for year in and year out, in that head over heals, spinning, state, that occurs when first falling in love. I was basically referring to that state which typically "wears off" after some time... and grows into a stable, solid and sober love.
 
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I rather suffer for love one hundred times than to think love is another word for success. In many things said about couple love, the final conclusion seems to be that if it does not turn out right it is failure on our part. I reject that outright. Love is never a failure, no matter how much disenchantment, unrequited love, heartbreaks or whatever, we are never cheated on anything. Love is there for us to love, not to be loved. If you love, no matter how disappointed to get, you still have done your part of the deal, and you earn your lesson, and GROW, like when you have pains in the knees or other parts because you are growing up.
:bravo:  :bravo:

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The challenge is to continue being a believer after it is ended.

Exactly... when the intoxication has ended... this is when it will show if both involved are able to love enough for the relationship to continue.

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Love comes, I said, in many colours, the love of friendship, the love of beauty, the love of a father or a mother, or of a sibling or the love for your neighbours, for people you do not know, for everything. Those are the colours of love, as many as there are things in existence.

Indeed.

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But please, do not do away with the colour of "romantic" love. The rainbow would get mad at you.

 ;D agreed

Peace
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Man of Faith on June 28, 2014, 11:20:36 AM
Peace,

Some men have neanderthal brains when it comes to romantic stuff. Our idea of love is coming home with a piece of meat. Ogg!! ;-)

God bless you
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: diamantinehoneybunch on June 30, 2014, 01:02:23 AM
Good question. Plato once said: "Love is a serious mental disease", sometimes I have to agree with him  ;D. If you talk about love between man and woman than I think love is a chemical process in a body that creates emotions, like drugs, people become addicted to each other.
How true :'( :brickwall:
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: savage_carrot on June 30, 2014, 01:56:17 AM
What is love? Baby, don't hurt me.
Don't hurt me.
No more.

Always wanted to post that. Love is a bond of affection/likability I'd say at the very core. Takes on different colours depending on the people involved. Where it starts getting messy is in regard to the expectations...that's why unconditional love is usually rare and confused with a lot of other things. Very few could claim to love unconditionally...and to have it be true, not sure if that even is a good thing. Duty and love may be confused there. Then again, we tend to place that sort of love on a pedestal, as an ideal...to love without expectation is the purest sort and all that. Like I said, not sure if that is healthy. In my view, a healthy love would consist of give and take which also allows for growth, adjustment and adaptation. Can the other sort also allow for that? Unlikely but possible in certain rare circumstances and since it would depend on a very particular set of people and circumstances, I would consider it an anomaly and not something that is very practical to strive/hope for. if it happens it happens kinda thing, and whether it leads to a happy life is another thing.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: huruf on June 30, 2014, 06:17:13 AM
Love is not the same as subservience or blindeness. You can love unconditinally, that does not mean that you are going to lick the ground the loved one or ones treads. You may be even more severe with those you love, precisely because you do not exact conditions from them. Of course it may involve duty, just as it may involve beauty or joy or learning. Love is a channel for growth adn wisdom, the best one. There is nothing one learns better than what one learns motivated by love, any kind of love, romantic, or fraternal or universal, when the feeling ir real one would go through things that might otherwise not handle.

And all kinds of love, I think, are faces of the divine love, the longing for fusion and identifying with Being.

Salaam
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: savage_carrot on June 30, 2014, 07:57:45 AM
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Love is not the same as subservience or blindeness. You can love unconditinally, that does not mean that you are going to lick the ground the loved one or ones treads. You may be even more severe with those you love, precisely because you do not exact conditions from them.
Of course, love even unconditional doesn't have to involve subservience and/or blindness. By unconditional I meant nothing another person does can change the love they feel for them. This I consider unrealistic mostly and/or applicable to a very small set of specific people in very peculiar circumstances. Severity with those you love is a different thing...one may have more at stake or feel/care more for those they love thus may be compelled to act a certain way with them and so on but I am confused as to why one may be more severe with those they love 'precisely because' they do not exact conditions from them? They obviously want them to do certain things, or there is no need for more severity with them as opposed to anyone else. There are still expectations, and those expectations are magnified in a sense because we love them so much.

E.g. Neighbours children and one's own children are playing in your house and there is a fight. One would tend to be more severe with one's own than the others because a) you can b) they are guests and your own should know better c) you want them to have better manners regardless of how others raise their kids...doesn't mean you show them severity precisely because you have no expectations/conditions on your love?

On from that, say your kid grows up to be a monster. Would you still love the kid the way you always did as he is now? Or would your love now take into account what he used to be or what you thought him as, rather than the reality? One can love kids when they are kids,it's kinda instinctive, when they grow up it becomes a different thing as one is dealing with an adult, albeit one we had a hand in nurturing. I know in what cases I've seen, that a child growing up to be jerk in varying shades is loved in ways that really have nothing to do with reality but with our memories or images of what we think of them as or what we want them to be. Is that love, sure it may well be. Are we fooling ourselves? Depends.

Change the kid into a betraying husband now, and the love we felt for the man is by the roadside, but there are a few women out there who will still claim to love the man without any changes regardless of what he did...fewer still who will say philandering is a part of him, it's endearing and I love all of him the way he is...would a mother say that? Maybe. Would his wife? Not particularly. Would this be subservient or blind? In many cases yes it might. In some cases however the possibility exists that the person knows and still genuinely loves. It may be rare but we can't strike that out. It's this type of love that I bring up in my previous post. I don't think it's healthy to love like that in my personal opinion, maybe because I can't imagine loving someone like that, but who am I to judge what another is capable of or not. If they feel unchanging love forever regardless of how screwed up someone is...it is possible, just rare. I don't find that an ideal/pure love however, it just is a form of love.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: huruf on June 30, 2014, 10:51:01 AM
That is the challenge. To love without contitioning it to expectations. To trust that there every person is redeemable. Not to pprove of what they do, but to try to do your duty, precisely because you love them. If they are monsters, they must be damned difficult to love, but if for any reason anybody loves them, the challenge is to do whatever one can to bring them out of monsterhood, which may be feasible or not. But that is what faith is about and that is what love is about.

I am not saying that if you cannot unmonster somebody that you do not love that somebody or that somehow you are not being capable of love. I mean that it is a challenge, a very tall one. Fortunately there are not all that many monsters.

Other thn that I believe that love comes from God, from our destiny... That we are meant to love whoever we love and the way we do. I do not think we choose whom we love. We get those people that are meant for us, so much for "good" as gor "bad" and in between. We get the experiences we need. And there are loves that are forever and others that have a certain duration. Like with studies. You get trown on you a certain subject for a certain time. You cannot refuse, you must pass that subject.

That is why I also think that one must never think that falling in love is an error, or to have a friend who turns out bad is an error. Love is never an error. It is part of our life's "project" and we must honour the challenges it presents. Fail is not a dishonour, but running away is. It is like laying an egg.

As to being more severe with those you love, it is out of duty. You owe that to yourself, to the relationship you have with that person. You are not in his or her life for worse, but for better. At least I hope. Although there are people who anybody loves or hates, it is always for worse, but that is like the joke abour Jesus and man with cancer.

Salaam
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: savage_carrot on June 30, 2014, 11:49:22 AM
Interesting thoughts as usual, huruf. I suppose for me, it's difficult to understand the concept of redemption based on repeated actions that are destructive. Some part of it is asking why should it be a duty and/or why surround oneself with toxicity...For those that have no choice in loving someone (some might say of course you have a choice), it's something that they do regardless. If done with a higher purpose in mind, knowing full well what the person is and sticking to that all their lives, well, they have all my respect because it definitely is something that denotes a strength of character one usually just reads about in legends.

Duty, joy and learning etc are different aspects I think, that can be factors in whichever relationship one has with something. What I meant when I said that in a previous post was, one may feel beholden to love their family out of a sense of duty, but is that really love? Can one love something out of duty? Not sure, I think it would be difficult. Can one love something because of the joy it brings? Yes, more likely. Learning is across the board. Can you love something because it's beautiful? Yes, more likely, also vice versa, more you love something, the more beautiful it becomes. Then again, there are cases where we can't really pinpoint why we love someone, we just know that we do. Obviously, there must be something there, some underlying reasons why we feel the way we do, I can't be satisfied with well, it just is...but yeah, figuring what that something may be is interesting because it points to a process and gives it a more rational aspect than a mysterious emotion that can strike anyone at any time unaware and we are totally helpless in the face of it.

I kind of disagree regarding choosing who to love being fated, in that case, we might as well say everything is fated to be a certain way, which may or may not be true. I believe our choices are ours and of course, we are meant to learn from everything, even those we choose to love (even if it seems like we had no choice) whether or not it ends up being amazing or awful. Love definitely is a learning experience like other emotions, but it tends to overshadow a lot of the others probably because there is just so much built up around it making it an integral part of our lives as a driving force...disappointment too is just as important I'd say, but it's love's evil step sister and not as glamorous ;)
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Jane on July 05, 2014, 05:06:53 PM
If God is love;
and love is blind;
and Stevie Wonder is blind;
that means...Stevie Wonder is God.

 :confused:





Edit: Lol, unfortunately I did not come up with this quote myself, but I am not sure who it is attributed to...

Edit 2: I do not actually think Stevie Wonder is God, but I do think he is a tremendously all-round awesome person: 'I just called to say I love you' - Genius.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Jane on July 05, 2014, 05:37:18 PM
Peace,

Some men have neanderthal brains when it comes to romantic stuff. Our idea of love is coming home with a piece of meat. Ogg!! ;-)

God bless you

That is fine. Just as long as the 'piece of meat' is not your secretary :rotfl:
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: huruf on July 06, 2014, 12:18:34 AM
Interesting thoughts as usual, huruf. I suppose for me, it's difficult to understand the concept of redemption based on repeated actions that are destructive. Some part of it is asking why should it be a duty and/or why surround oneself with toxicity...For those that have no choice in loving someone (some might say of course you have a choice), it's something that they do regardless. If done with a higher purpose in mind, knowing full well what the person is and sticking to that all their lives, well, they have all my respect because it definitely is something that denotes a strength of character one usually just reads about in legends.

Duty, joy and learning etc are different aspects I think, that can be factors in whichever relationship one has with something. What I meant when I said that in a previous post was, one may feel beholden to love their family out of a sense of duty, but is that really love? Can one love something out of duty? Not sure, I think it would be difficult. Can one love something because of the joy it brings? Yes, more likely. Learning is across the board. Can you love something because it's beautiful? Yes, more likely, also vice versa, more you love something, the more beautiful it becomes. Then again, there are cases where we can't really pinpoint why we love someone, we just know that we do. Obviously, there must be something there, some underlying reasons why we feel the way we do, I can't be satisfied with well, it just is...but yeah, figuring what that something may be is interesting because it points to a process and gives it a more rational aspect than a mysterious emotion that can strike anyone at any time unaware and we are totally helpless in the face of it.

I kind of disagree regarding choosing who to love being fated, in that case, we might as well say everything is fated to be a certain way, which may or may not be true. I believe our choices are ours and of course, we are meant to learn from everything, even those we choose to love (even if it seems like we had no choice) whether or not it ends up being amazing or awful. Love definitely is a learning experience like other emotions, but it tends to overshadow a lot of the others probably because there is just so much built up around it making it an integral part of our lives as a driving force...disappointment too is just as important I'd say, but it's love's evil step sister and not as glamorous ;)

Some people may choose who to love, the same way that they choose the home they want to live in. I do not see anything wrong with that. BUT that is some people not all people. Not by far all people. Many people may still marry and be married and have a "reasonable" family life. BUT some people, not all people.

There are all kinds of people. For some people to choose whom you love is to drive Destiny-God-Fate, or whatever out of their lives, and also impossible. The fall in love and that is it. Satistically I think that the marriages that succeed one way or other is not significant, be it out of chosen love or be it out of fated love (if you want to call it that) all marriages are liable to fail and also to work out well. I have seen many examples of both.

People are different and we do not need a rule that makes anybody feel guilty or idiot for being different. It is like people who have a lot of physical energy and never stop doing everything, spanking the house and everything. Some times they think they are better because the work so much, but the fact is that they are made that way. It is not their merit, but their need, and it is cheating to make out of their need a rule for virtue.

So people who want to choose whom they love, fine, people who fall in love likes tons of bricks, fine. Love of God is for all of them and they enjoy some of God's gifts, to each her or his gift. And never forget to be thankful, no gift of God is poisoned.

Salaam
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Jane on July 06, 2014, 03:09:09 PM

Can you love something because it's beautiful? Yes, more likely, also vice versa, more you love something, the more beautiful it becomes.

Wow. So love is powerful then? Is not just some 'feeling'. It IS something and it DOES do things.

And if you don't love something it becomes weak or tired - or even ugly?

Hmmmm
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Jane on July 06, 2014, 03:17:41 PM
Body heat from 'emotional states'...

Researchers from Aalto University in Finland have revealed how emotions are experienced in the body.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qRrQrkVSK-w/UsNFZS6_S2I/AAAAAAAACKI/DEQthz-iJMI/s640/love_meme.png)

Whoever did it is at least trying to make a point about love being powerful anyway....

See more at: http://www.naturalblaze.com/2013/12/research-team-reveals-how-emotions-are. (http://See more at: http://www.naturalblaze.com/2013/12/research-team-reveals-how-emotions-are.)
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: JavaLatte on November 24, 2015, 01:31:23 PM
I think that "love" is also a sign of the existence of God (the Creator),

and I tend to agree with this quote:



"You will never find true love
until you first learn to love Allah"




I don't know whether that quote is right or not, but in my view, it seems to be right/true.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: hanslan on November 25, 2015, 07:07:41 PM
Salam, maybe it is the other way.

Understand and appreciate Allah's love

then you will understand true love.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: HP_TECH on November 25, 2015, 10:57:52 PM
I think that "love" is also a sign of the existence of God (the Creator),

and I tend to agree with this quote:



"You will never find true love
until you first learn to love Allah"




I don't know whether that quote is right or not, but in my view, it seems to be right/true.

Peace,

The question was beautifully open ended and allowed for different opinions to unravel. I agree with your statement Java, not sure about the quote though. The Quran states per 30:21 IT IS MOST DEFINITELY a SIGN:
"And one of His signs is that He created mates for you from yourselves that you may find rest in them, and He put between you love and compassion; most surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect."
Forget those anonymous quotes  ;)

What are we saying when we talk about love? Is it romanticism, compassion, affection I doubt lust. @ Sonny You must understand ins scientific terms almost anything can be reduced to chemical biological processes but how that connects to the emotion is left wanting. You cannot chemically quantify your level of affection! LoL  :-[ (I sound cheesy)
Love or act of loving(rated PG rated PG) in my humble opinion is wanting that which is the object of the loving to succeed, prosper, triumph, excel, unconditionally.

What kind of Love are we referring to?

Love/Connection between The Creator and His creatures?

Mercy/Compassion/Kindness and infinitely more from The Most Merciful towards His servants and fear/reverence/obedience/trust/faith/respect
Countless examples in THE READING! His favors innumerable!
16:18 And if you count the blessings of God, you will not be able to number them. God is Forgiving, Merciful.

Since you cannot wrong God in anything God wants you to do good for yourself and succeed indeed He is The Free-of-need,Praiseworthy
2:195 And spend in the cause of God, but do not throw your resources to disaster. And do good, for God loves those who do good.
3:76 Indeed, anyone who fulfils his pledge and is righteous, then God loves the righteous.
3:134 The ones who spend in prosperity and hardship, and who repress anger, and who pardon the people; God loves the good doers.
5:42 They listen to lies, and consume money illicitly. If they come to you, then you may judge between them or turn away from them; and if you turn away from them then they cannot harm you in the least; and if you judge then judge between them with justice. God loves those who are just.

Love/compassion/kindness/affection/obedient/respect between a parent and child?
19:12-14
"O John, take the Scripture with determination. And We gave him judgement [while yet] a boy
And affection from Us and purity, and he was fearing of Allah
And dutiful to his parents, and he was not a disobedient tyrant."

Love/affection/compassion/kindness between brothers in the faith/relatives/siblings?

64:14 O you who believe, from among your spouses and your children are enemies to you; so beware of them. And if you pardon, and overlook, and forgive, then God is Forgiver, Merciful.

3:159 It was a mercy from God that you were soft towards them; had you been harsh and hard-hearted, they would have dispersed from you; so pardon them and ask forgiveness for them, and consult them in the matter; but when you are convinced, then put your trust in God; for God loves those who put their trust.

Love/ affection/compassion/kindness between strangers/poor/needy/traveler/etc..?

76:5 As for the pious, they will drink from a cup with the scent of musk.
76:6 A spring from which the servants of God drink, it gushes forth
abundantly.
76:7 They fulfill their vows, and they fear a Day whose consequences are widespread.
76:8 And they give food out of love to the poor and the orphan and the captive.
76:9 ?We only feed you seeking the face of God; we do not desire from you any reward or thanks.?
76:10 ?We fear from our Lord a Day, which will be horrible and difficult.

Or are we talking about a mixture of the above and romantic love?
Moses Love story, love at first sight?
28:25-27
[25]Then one of the two women came to him walking with shyness. She said, "Indeed, my father invites you that he may reward you for having watered for us." So when he came to him and related to him the story, he said, "Fear not. You have escaped from the wrongdoing people."
[26]One of the women said, "O my father, hire him. Indeed, the best one you can hire is the strong and the trustworthy."
[He said], "Indeed, I wish to wed you one of these, my two daughters, on [the condition] that you serve me for eight years; but if you complete ten, it will be [as a favor] from you. And I do not wish to put you in difficulty. You will find me, if Allah wills, from among the righteous."

She "had the hots" for Moses and her father realized quite soon. Moses accepted fairly quickly as well. Maybe it was his compassion in helping them without asking for anything in return and a combination of his strength but I see this as a story of Love at first sight.  ::) 
Now I'm hoping I'm not making conjecture or inappropriate statements about believers but isn't this love story beautiful?

Thanks

P.S. I am a hopeless romantic   ;D
and forgive the mediocre translations just use as reference please
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: reel on November 26, 2015, 09:08:51 PM
I think that "love" is also a sign of the existence of God (the Creator),

and I tend to agree with this quote:



"You will never find true love
until you first learn to love Allah"




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The question was beautifully open ended and allowed for different opinions to unravel. I agree with your statement Java, not sure about the quote though.

I don't know whether that quote is right or not, but in my view, it seems to be right/true.
I agree with HP_TECH that the line is very open ended. Love is very powerful. The one who rejects it will always end up with bites. This is true for countries too.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: huruf on November 27, 2015, 12:32:54 AM
I thik every love is the love of God, butit may cometo us twisted through corruption.

If we think of love as the universal thing, coming from God an so on,  we must look for it in the Qur'an, and i would  say it is the rahma. The kind of love that is usually associated with somethig universal, ious and os on, the kind that we are fed through idealised preachingand so on. I think, for accuracy sake that we should stick to the Qur'anic words for that, sothat we know what we are exactly seaking about.

There are different words in the Qur'an that we translate as love. Widda is one, habba is another...

Salaam
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: hanslan on November 27, 2015, 01:34:10 AM
Salam

Was inspired one day as to the rationale the Creator creates. Ar-rahman & Ar-rahim are the reasons for creation. Since the actual meaning of those words are beyond our full comprehension, suffice to say love (may not be the accurate word) is part of those two attributes.  The absence of those two attributes will bring the Creator's destructive attribute (I get this hint from At-Taubah).

Anyway, just to share. I may be completely wrong.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: JavaLatte on November 27, 2015, 04:16:43 AM
Moses Love story, love at first sight?
28:25-27
[25]Then one of the two women came to him walking with shyness. She said, "Indeed, my father invites you that he may reward you for having watered for us." So when he came to him and related to him the story, he said, "Fear not. You have escaped from the wrongdoing people."
[26]One of the women said, "O my father, hire him. Indeed, the best one you can hire is the strong and the trustworthy."
[He said], "Indeed, I wish to wed you one of these, my two daughters, on [the condition] that you serve me for eight years; but if you complete ten, it will be [as a favor] from you. And I do not wish to put you in difficulty. You will find me, if Allah wills, from among the righteous."

She "had the hots" for Moses and her father realized quite soon. Moses accepted fairly quickly as well. Maybe it was his compassion in helping them without asking for anything in return and a combination of his strength but I see this as a story of Love at first sight.  ::)

Hehe, I think that's a sweet analysis.  :D

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Now I'm hoping I'm not making conjecture or inappropriate statements about believers but isn't this love story beautiful?

Yes, I actually like the couple (Moses and his wife).  :)


But... if 'today' I'm being asked about what is love,

then perhaps this is my reaction...  (http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/crazy-monkey/crazy-monkey-emoticon-181.gif?1292792426)
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: fye on November 30, 2015, 07:41:02 AM
crap someone said baby don't hurt me.
lolz
love is simple and hate is it's opposite.

shaitan and his minions are enemies to you.

you want what is best for the things you love, you want to do the opposite of hurt them, you want to do the opposite of watching them suffer, you want to do the opposite dominating them.

saying like "I got mad love for so and so" are different kinds of love like I want to be among their helpers, while sayings like "I hate that @##^#$" show you want to be among his enemies and defeat-ers. or you want to share in victory with or over them.

there is a verse in the quran about recommending a good cause and sharing therein.

another love is roman love ("roman-tic") we still don't have a word for that seeing how the romans have been defeated and there way of life has passed away, yet they will return (surah rum).
if I were to think of a word it's bonding love, your life is equal to my life is respect, while your life is greater than my life is infatuation, the blending of these two ideals is romantic love after bonding is an objective. your your life is equal too and greater than mine and if our lives were bonded we can share in confort you from my life and I from your life, this is why making heat together is so similar to every dirt love making thing people do (and animals).

in this world we were thrown because someone disobeyed almighty god, and it's sweat and toil, hard-work and compared to the garden of abode it's cold and alone, hugging, holding hands, kissing, and all sorts of intercourse and cutsy cuddling is just to transfer a feeling of warmth from one scared and alone creature to the next.

when I see snow I'm reminded of love because snow and cold  like loneliness and ice-so-lation (it's so cold it can kill you lolz) push creatures to seek warmth and company, like getting closer to a fire.

like a fire love can burn you and seriously "denature" you, you cook and become cooked for life your nature may change you can become a "#$%#^#^4" lolz,
but it's the need of heat and the flowing of blood that drives us closer to the fire.

aren't all you roman-tic "bonding love" hopes and dream built on a bunch of would(wood) any way.
ex: I would do anything for .......

someone come up with a better word than roman-tic love.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: JavaLatte on November 30, 2015, 05:55:19 PM
Salaam @ fye,

I don't understand what you meant...  :confused:



Today, I think that love is something sweet...  (http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/crazy-monkey/crazy-monkey-emoticon-003.gif?1292792378)
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: es on November 30, 2015, 06:46:11 PM
crap someone said baby don't hurt me.
lolz
love is simple and hate is it's opposite.

shaitan and his minions are enemies to you.

you want what is best for the things you love, you want to do the opposite of hurt them, you want to do the opposite of watching them suffer, you want to do the opposite dominating them.

saying like "I got mad love for so and so" are different kinds of love like I want to be among their helpers, while sayings like "I hate that @##^#$" show you want to be among his enemies and defeat-ers. or you want to share in victory with or over them.

there is a verse in the quran about recommending a good cause and sharing therein.

another love is roman love ("roman-tic") we still don't have a word for that seeing how the romans have been defeated and there way of life has passed away, yet they will return (surah rum).
if I were to think of a word it's bonding love, your life is equal to my life is respect, while your life is greater than my life is infatuation, the blending of these two ideals is romantic love after bonding is an objective. your your life is equal too and greater than mine and if our lives were bonded we can share in confort you from my life and I from your life, this is why making heat together is so similar to every dirt love making thing people do (and animals).

in this world we were thrown because someone disobeyed almighty god, and it's sweat and toil, hard-work and compared to the garden of abode it's cold and alone, hugging, holding hands, kissing, and all sorts of intercourse and cutsy cuddling is just to transfer a feeling of warmth from one scared and alone creature to the next.

when I see snow I'm reminded of love because snow and cold  like loneliness and ice-so-lation (it's so cold it can kill you lolz) push creatures to seek warmth and company, like getting closer to a fire.

like a fire love can burn you and seriously "denature" you, you cook and become cooked for life your nature may change you can become a "#$%#^#^4" lolz,
but it's the need of heat and the flowing of blood that drives us closer to the fire.

aren't all you roman-tic "bonding love" hopes and dream built on a bunch of would(wood) any way.
ex: I would do anything for .......

someone come up with a better word than roman-tic love.

Haha@ "Baby, don't hurt me." That's exactly what I was thinking!
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Wakas on December 01, 2015, 03:29:51 AM
LOVE

I have always liked the quote: "?We come to love not by finding a perfect person, but by learning to see an imperfect person perfectly.? Sam Keen, To Love and Be Loved

My favourite expression of this in poem form:
http://www.katsandogz.com/onmarriage.html

My favourite expression of this in song form:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSYMKUtNuw8

And of course:
"And one of His signs is that He created mates from yourselves that you may find tranquillity in them, and He made between you love and mercy; Indeed, in that surely are signs for people who reflect." 30:21

I like the link to ayat/sign, bearing in mind 41:53 also. I have found that it can certainly enhance your spirituality and bring you closer to the divine/God.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: hicham9 on December 01, 2015, 03:47:26 AM
What is "love" ?!

Try spelling it backward.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: fye on December 01, 2015, 12:01:51 PM
it's an album evol sonic youth... an oldie but still good.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Osman on December 01, 2015, 02:18:29 PM
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/rwbyfanon/images/5/5c/Jim-carrey-what-this-love-o.gif/revision/latest?cb=20150310162546)
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Invalid777 on December 01, 2015, 03:28:46 PM
Can science measure love? Atheists love things like all other humans. But can they actually measure it to prove that love exists? If they can't then they should reject love. Love does not exist if science cannot measure it with an apparatus. So how can you deny Allah? You can't measure Allah to prove that Allah exists.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Taro Hiroshi on December 01, 2015, 06:18:56 PM
Peace Invalid777,

Perhaps the reason why science can't measure love is because love is an emotion. And emotions seem to be immeasurable and invisible. Thoughts also seem to be immeasureable and invisible. Perhaps that's why we can't see what others think. Also, the soul/self seems to be immeasureable and invisible. No matter how advanced technology becomes, I think scientists will never be able to measure thoughts and emotions. And no matter how advanced technology becomes, I think scientists will never be able to measure souls.

Just because we can't see or measure something, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. As you say, we can't measure Allah. But we can feel/sense his presence. Isn't this an undeniable and irrefutable proof that God exists? If God doesn't exist, then why can we feel his presence? These questions are worth thinking about, in my opinion. 

From my understanding of the Quran, God is unseen and unseeable. (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606664.msg376206#msg376206)

Quran 5:94 O you who acknowledge, God will test you with some of the game for hunting, coming within reach of your hands and your spears, so that God will know who reveres Him when unseen. Whoever transgresses after this, then he will have a painful retribution.

Quran 36:11 You can only warn him who follows the reminder, and reveres the Gracious while unseen. Give him good news of forgiveness and a generous reward.

Quran 21:49 Those who revere their Lord, even when unseen, and they are wary of the moment.

Quran 6:103 The eyesight cannot reach Him, yet He can reach all eyesight; and He is the Subtle, the Expert.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Taro Hiroshi on December 01, 2015, 09:49:53 PM
Peace Wakas, all,

I have always liked the quote: "?We come to love not by finding a perfect person, but by learning to see an imperfect person perfectly.? Sam Keen, To Love and Be Loved

I like that quote too. I actually found that quote some days ago while I was reading some quotes. Also, I found another quote about true/real love some days ago. And I like it a lot. The quote goes like this:

"Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it."
- Rumi

I would like to share two more quotes here. The quotes explain what the meaning of true/real love is.

"When you love someone, you love the person as they are, and not as you?d like them to be."
? Leo Tolstoy

"You must understand that love never keeps a man from pursuing his Personal Legend. If he abandons that pursuit, it's because it wasn't a true love.. the love that speaks the language of the world."
- Paulo Coelho

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My favourite expression of this in poem form:
http://www.katsandogz.com/onmarriage.html

Thanks for sharing the link. I have read parts of what Kahlil Gibran says about love (in the link you shared) by reading one of his quotes (http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQVevBViRyPBeznTiAAsshUibA7OAnY0xQ42KQE3bxj8Ht2_AH-BQ), in the past. But as far as I am remember, I hadn't read the chapter "On marriage" until you shared it in your post. I once talked to a very intelligent man (a stranger). He recommended me to read the book "The prophet" by Kahlil Gibran. I have the book in PDF format. I haven't read the whole book yet. I have just read some of it. But I am planning to read the whole book in the future.

My favourite text about the concept of love is this one:

https://thevisionweekly.wordpress.com/2011/11/04/shams-of-tabrizs-40-rules-of-love/

The poet Shams Tabrizi, was apparently Rumi's mentor. And his text is very interesting and insightful, in my opinion. If you haven't read his text already, I deeply recommend reading it.

I also recommend these two texts:

http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teachings/view-text.php?tid=405&chid=4724

https://www.yogananda-srf.org/HowtoLive/Creating_Harmony_in_Our_Relationships_With_Others.aspx

You might find them interesting and insightful.

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And of course:
"And one of His signs is that He created mates from yourselves that you may find tranquillity in them, and He made between you love and mercy; Indeed, in that surely are signs for people who reflect." 30:21

I think the ayat/sign in verse 30:21 is very insightful. And I think there is a sign in verse 2:187.

Quran 2:187...They are a garment for you and you are a garment for them...

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I like the link to ayat/sign, bearing in mind 41:53 also. I have found that it can certainly enhance your spirituality and bring you closer to the divine/God.

Interesting. I wonder if it is possible to get/come very close to God and reach a high level of spirituality without ever getting married (i.e. staying single/unmarried for the rest of ones life). As far as I know, there are two verses in the Quran that speaks about what brings people closer to God.

Quran 34:37 And it is not your money or your children that will bring you closer to Us, but only those who believe and do good work, they will receive double the reward for their works, and they will reside in the high dwellings in peace.

Quran 9:99 And from the Nomads are those who believe in God and the Last Day, and he looks upon what he spends to make him closer to God, and the contact prayers of the messenger.It indeed makes them closer. God will admit them in His mercy; God is Forgiving, Merciful.

When it comes to verse 41:53, I think there are signs/ayat both in the Quran and outside of the Quran (i.e. within ourselves and in nature/universe).
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: A.W on December 02, 2015, 02:37:26 AM
LOVE

I have always liked the quote: "?We come to love not by finding a perfect person, but by learning to see an imperfect person perfectly.? Sam Keen, To Love and Be Loved

"And one of His signs is that He created mates from yourselves that you may find tranquillity in them, and He made between you love and mercy; Indeed, in that surely are signs for people who reflect." 30:21


+1

It is one of the great signs, for love can exist without any reason.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: reel on December 02, 2015, 03:46:54 AM
By the way, has anyone ever heard of John Lee's 6 love styles? Anyone did the quiz?

http://courses.washington.edu/psii101/geninfo/lovetest.pdf
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: savage_carrot on December 02, 2015, 07:17:24 AM
It is one of the great signs, for love can exist without any reason.
Especially for dinosaurs. For no reason at all.

By the way, has anyone ever heard of John Lee's 6 love styles? Anyone did the quiz?

http://courses.washington.edu/psii101/geninfo/lovetest.pdf
I did the quiz, I'd pretty much do any quiz. Am unsure of what to make of it. I did find out that I'm not a romantic and that was kinda surprising. Guess it's a bit subjective.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: A.W on December 02, 2015, 02:31:06 PM
Especially for dinosaurs. For no reason at all.

Heeeeyyy i maybe old fashioned and old styled but i am not a dinosaur!!
 :rotfl:
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: JavaLatte on December 02, 2015, 09:24:53 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c5/c5/50/c5c5504273748bee63569fc8693875bc.jpg)
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: reel on December 04, 2015, 04:33:07 AM
Especially for dinosaurs. For no reason at all.
I did the quiz, I'd pretty much do any quiz. Am unsure of what to make of it. I did find out that I'm not a romantic and that was kinda surprising. Guess it's a bit subjective.
Don't worry, the quiz needs to be updated. We are supposed to have more than one quality. That's according to biology research. The only thing I take from the love style is that probably not all humans see love in the same way.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Jafar on December 08, 2015, 11:58:34 AM
On Love
Bearing and nurturing,
Creating but not owning,
Giving without demanding,
Controlling without authority,
This is love.

-- Lao Tze, An unenlightened kuffar, never exposed to any of the God's book


On Religion and Love
Well established hierarchies are not easily uprooted;
Closely held beliefs are not easily released;
So religion inherited generation after generation.
Religion is the end of love and honesty,
The beginning of confusion;
Faith is a colourful hope or fear,
The source of foolishness.

-- Lao Tze, An unenlightened kuffar, never exposed to any of the God's book
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Taro Hiroshi on December 08, 2015, 01:27:46 PM
Peace Jafar and everyone,

I would like to share some quotes with you.

"I learned the real meaning of love. Love is absolute loyalty. People fade, looks fade, but loyalty never fades. You can depend so much on certain people, you can set your watch by them. And that's love, even if it doesn't seem very exciting."
- Sylvester Stallone

"This is the meaning of true love, to give until it hurts."
- Mother Teresa

"You give but little when you give of your possessions. It is when you give of yourself that you truly give."
- Kahlil Gibran

"Let us love one another, but not try to possess one another."
- Paulo Coelho

"Love is not a debt that needs to be paid back with love."
- Paulo Coelho

"If you love someone you must be prepared to set them free."
- Paulo Coelho

'I find the best way to love someone is not to change them, but instead, help them reveal the greatest version of themselves.
- Steve Maraboli

I would also like to share an article/text about the work of a Korean artist with you.

Korean Artist Beautifully Illustrates What Real Love Looks Like

http://pulptastic.com/korean-artist-beautifully-illustrates-real-love/

You might find her illustrations interesting and inspirational.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: HP_TECH on December 09, 2015, 10:39:37 AM
Is this quote your favorite poets forum or Quran alone forum??

26:221 Shall I inform you on whom the devils come down?
26:222 They come down on every sinful liar.
26:223 They claim to listen, but most of them are liars.
26:224 And the poets, are followed by the strayers.
26:225 Do you not see that they traverse in every valley.
26:226 And that what they say, is not what they do!
26:227 Except for those who believe, and do good works, and remember God greatly, and were victorious after they were wronged. As for those who did wrong, they will know which fate they will meet.


Will you provide the believers with citations from poets while the best guidance is from the Quran??

No more citing irrelevant documentation

O companions of the forum: HOLD FIRMLY TO THE SCRIPTURE revealed to the messenger by GOD
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: good logic on December 09, 2015, 11:25:51 AM
Peace HP_TECH

I do not see anyone going against the scripture here?

The thread is called "What is love"? Discuss.

So what is wrong with poems about love in the thread?

Are we going to impose rules on what to write here on members? Surely that is not in Qoran either?

May be that is how religions start!

GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Taro Hiroshi on December 09, 2015, 12:23:31 PM
Peace HP_TECH,

Is this quote your favorite poets forum or Quran alone forum??

In my view, there is a difference between learning from poets and following them. We can learn new things by reading the thoughts, opinions, theories and ideas of poets, scholars, thinkers, actors and artists without following them. The Quran doesn't discourage us from seeking knowledge, in my opinion. One the contrary, the Quran suggests that knowledge is vital if one wants to derive the correct/right interpretation of this sacred/divine book.

The Quran suggests that if one wants to understand the examples in it one must seek knowledge:

Quran 29:43 Such are the examples We cite for the people, but none reason except the knowledgeable.

The Quran suggests that only the knowledgeable among humans will be able to interpret it in a right/correct way: 

Quran 3:7 He is the One who sent down to you the Book, from which there are lawgiving revelations; they are the essence of the Book; and others which are of a similitude. As for those who have a disease in their hearts, they will follow that which is of a similitude, seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none know its interpretation except God, and those who are well founded in knowledge; they say: "We believe in it, all is from our Lord." And none will remember except those who possess intelligence.

The Quran suggests that there is much value in knowledge:

Quran 39:9 As for one who is meditating in the night, prostrating and standing, fearing the Hereafter, and seeking the mercy of his Lord. Say, "Are those who know equal to those who do not know?" Only those who possess understanding will remember.

Quran 12:55 He said, "Make me keeper over the granaries of the land, for I know how to keep records and I am knowledgeable."

Quran 18:83-84 AND THEY will ask thee about the Two-Horned One. Say: "I will convey unto you something by which he ought to be remembered." Behold, We established him securely on earth, and endowed him with [the knowledge of] the right means to achieve anything [that he might set out to achieve];

Quran 2:247 And their prophet said to them: "God has sent Saul to you as a king." They said: "How can he have the kingship when we are more deserving than him, and he has not been given an abundance of wealth?" He said: "God has chosen him over you and increased him in knowledge and physical stature." God grants His sovereignty to whom He chooses; and God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable.

As far as I know, there are no verses in the Quran which instruct us to only/read study the Quran. Some people seem to think that those who follow Quran alone, are not allowed to read/study any other book than the Quran. But since the Quran suggests that one must become knowledgeable, if one wants to understand the examples in it, and if one wants to derive the right/correct interpretation of its verses, then I think that it's a bad decision to only read/study the Quran.

As far as I know, there are no verses in the Quran which state that we are not allowed to read/study any other book than the Quran. Therefore, the notion that we shouldn't ready/study any book but the Quran, seems to be a fanatical/extreme approach to islam. And from my understanding of the Quran, the Quran doesn't support this approach. Besides, there is only one verse in the Quran which mentions the words "Quran alone" (see verse 17:36). On the other hand, there are several verses which directly or indirectly seem to instruct us to follow "God alone." Here is one of them. 

Quran 39:45 And when God alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with aversion; and when others are mentioned besides Him, they rejoice!

From personal experience, I can tell you that knowledge about philosophy, physics, geography and history have helped me to understand the Quran on a deeper level. Also, practical knowledge have helped me to understand the Quran on a deeper level. I think that both theoretical and practical knowledge can improve our understanding of the Quran. That being said, some people seem to learn better "hands on" than from reading. There is a quote which goes like this:

"Earth and sky, woods and fields, lakes and rivers, the mountain and the sea, are excellent schoolmasters, and teach some of us more than we can ever learn from books."
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: HP_TECH on December 09, 2015, 12:40:04 PM
Peace HP_TECH

I do not see anyone going against the scripture here?

The thread is called "What is love"? Discuss.

So what is wrong with poems about love in the thread?

Are we going to impose rules on what to write here on members? Surely that is not in Qoran either?

May be that is how religions start!

GOD bless you.
Peace.


No I am not a manger over you but I will God willing be true to my oath that I will forbid from the wrong and invite to the good deeds.

Did God not create love and the feelings and everything in existence?

Or did Mara Theresa or Paulo or perhaps your favorite poet?

Do they know or does God know better He the Exalted the One who created everything?

Stand with me in righteousness brother, this goes far beyond just this post
But even for this matter WITH GOD THERE IS THE BEST/DECISIVE/GREATEST ARGUMENT
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Man of Faith on December 09, 2015, 04:20:28 PM
Long live fundamentalism  (?)
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Zulf on December 09, 2015, 04:26:50 PM
Peace HP_TECH

I do not see anyone going against the scripture here?

The thread is called "What is love"? Discuss.

So what is wrong with poems about love in the thread?

Are we going to impose rules on what to write here on members? Surely that is not in Qoran either?

May be that is how religions start!

GOD bless you.
Peace.

Agreed. And so we see, it is not so odd that sects and religions arise in this world. It all springs from the minds of people. Even under the banner of 'quran alone' there will be formations advocating prohibitions alike the sunni "this is haram and that is haram". No wonder mainstream mankind never received any pure message from the Creator in the form of a scripture. Of course, anyone may receive guidance, but public guidance will inevitably be corrupted, by the minds of men (human beings).
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Zulf on December 09, 2015, 04:28:02 PM
Long live fundamentalism  (?)

Except that even the word 'fundamentalism' is a too kind word for what it is used to describe.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Zulf on December 09, 2015, 04:31:13 PM
Did God not create love and the feelings and everything in existence?
Yes, so?

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Or did Mara Theresa or Paulo or perhaps your favorite poet?
Did anyone claim so?

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Do they know or does God know better He the Exalted the One who created everything?
How is this question relevant when nobody claimed anything such like what you are insinuating?
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Taro Hiroshi on December 09, 2015, 05:06:34 PM
Is this quote your favorite poets forum or Quran alone forum??

26:221 Shall I inform you on whom the devils come down?
26:222 They come down on every sinful liar.
26:223 They claim to listen, but most of them are liars.
26:224 And the poets, are followed by the strayers.
26:225 Do you not see that they traverse in every valley.
26:226 And that what they say, is not what they do!

I think that verse 26:224 is referring to the poets that were living during the "Prophet's time." Because according to history, there were many poets in the era of Prophet Muhammad. Poetry was very popular at that time. When we read verse 26:224 in its historical context, it seems to refer to the poets that were living during the era of Prophet Muhammad, not contemporary/modern poets. I think it's important to read verse 26:244, in its proper context. That being said, there might be a possibility that there is a timeless lesson in verse 26:224-226, which teaches us to recognize the hypocritical behaviour of some poets (and religious scholars and political leaders) who don't practice what they preach, and teaches us to not blindly follow such people. Afterall, the Quran is the only source of law and guidance in islam.

As far as I know, there are no verses in the Quran which prohibit poetry. Thus, poetry doesn't seem to be haram (forbidden) in islam. Also, Muhammad Iqbal, who followed the Quran, and have contributed a lot to the Quranic community, used to write Poems. In my view, the fact that he was a poet, didn't make him an unrighteous man.

Peace.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: HP_TECH on December 09, 2015, 05:49:47 PM
I am not insiuating anything you are Zulf.
We should simply encourage each other to use the Criterion of Judgement it is COMPLETE
What question about ourselves that is important to our understanding or salvation that God cannot answer?
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: JavaLatte on December 09, 2015, 06:10:48 PM
I think HP_TECH has a good personal stance, but I also think that Hiroshi also has a good personal stance.

Anyway, perhaps this is off topic, but Hiroshi and HP_TECH are among of my favorite posters on this forum.

It seems you both have different approach in learning the Qur'an and different style in following the messages of the Qur'an, but (in my view) you both are sincere in obeying God.

May God bless you, brothers.  :)
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Jafar on December 09, 2015, 06:47:10 PM

May be that is how religions start!


"Religion is the end of love and honesty,
The beginning of confusion;
Faith is a colourful hope or fear,
The source of foolishness."
-- Lao Tze, An unenlightened kuffar, never exposed to any of the God's book

The same unenlightened kuffar also said this:

"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment?
- Lao Tze, An unenlightened kuffar, never exposed to any of the God's book
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: HP_TECH on December 09, 2015, 08:53:16 PM
Jafar why??
Your relevance in this is of no detectable stature. Did you even stop to think what you cited?

First of all you have know way of knowing 100% whether anyone who has lived and died is a Muslimin or Kuffar.
Secondly is that even a quote that makes logical sense.
Let us analyze your citation.
The premise is that Religion is
a) the end of love
b) the end of honesty
c) the beginning of confusion

All we have to do is think of any instance where religion did not result into the end of love or honesty. It is a general jibber jab statement that clarifies nothing how can that be inspirational for the rational?
It is too general not all religious fanatics are hateful or dishonest. Are those consequences of religion or the definition of religion?
Inconsistant garbage. Can't even recycle this trash.


Second premise is that Faith is
a) a colorful hope
b) a fear
c) a source of foolishness

Per c Faith is foolish?!
Jafar do not support nonsense stand firm
Look at this nonsensical garbage you posted...
Is that supposed to represent some sort of insight into anything constructive??

Furthermore:

16:36 And We have sent a messenger to every nation: ?You shall serve God and avoid evil.? Some of them were guided by God, and some of them deserved to be misguided. So travel the earth, and see how the punishment was of those who denied.
16:37 If tahris for their guidance, God does not guide whom He misguides; and they will have no supporters.

tahris

Ha-Ra-Sad = To desire ardently/eagerly/strongly/greedily, covet, hanker after a thing, desire a thing excessively or inordinately or culpably, strive or labour, exert oneself, take extraordinary pains to obtain/attain/acquire a thing, excessively solicitous or careful and fearful, excessively pitiful or compassionate to a person, apply oneself constantly or perseveringly to a thing. To rent or cleave a thing, strip off/scrape off/rub off/abrade/remove a superficial part or peel or rind, make holes in a thing by beating it.

And if this person you cite is indeed a kaffur as you claim;
shall you be concerned with/ desire the guidance Jafar of these kaffur? Who have had their messenger come to them and denied?

Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Zulf on December 10, 2015, 04:12:29 AM
I think HP_TECH has a good personal stance, but I also think that Hiroshi also has a good personal stance.

Anyway, perhaps this is off topic, but Hiroshi and HP_TECH are among of my favorite posters on this forum.

It seems you both have different approach in learning the Qur'an and different style in following the messages of the Qur'an, but (in my view) you both are sincere in obeying God.

May God bless you, brothers.  :)

I even think that everyone on the forum has intentions of sincerity to one's belief. Life is a journey of development. We all go through different stages. May the Creator help and bless us all with guidance and understanding.
 :sun:
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Man of Faith on December 10, 2015, 02:47:03 PM
HP_TECH,

Jafar is ironical and dealing with the term kafar in a satirical way. He does say everyone who is disbelieving in the Islamic doctrine is a kafar. I would share his entertainment if I had not known kafar means deluded, which means anyone lost in their mind basically is a kafar.

Be safe
Amenuel
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: runninglikezebras on December 10, 2015, 03:00:59 PM
HP_TECH,

Jafar is ironical and dealing with the term kafar in a satirical way. He does say everyone who is disbelieving in the Islamic doctrine is a kafar. I would share his entertainment if I had not known kafar means deluded, which means anyone lost in their mind basically is a kafar.

Be safe
Amenuel

So in your interpretation God is deluded:

66,8    O you believers!... Maybe your Lord will kaffar your sins?

Of course, kaffar means to cover, to hide, to conceal.  In Quranic context when used as a noun referring to the rabbinic jews being accused of concealing, hiding the revelation of Jesus.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Man of Faith on December 10, 2015, 03:06:15 PM
Yes it means covered, but it is meant to be interpreted covered as that you do not have a sound judgment because you have the wrong belief about something. That is being deluded. Arabic is very descriptive in its way of conveying its meaning. If you are covered it means you have certain difficulties much like if you were trapped in a cottage where the snow had covered the house. If you are in such a way then you cannot receive information properly.

66:8 you surely have to look at the interpretation of as well.

God
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: runninglikezebras on December 10, 2015, 03:29:58 PM
You are contradicting yourself.  Logic demands in order to conceal, to cover deliberately the information has to be available.  If it is not available what is there to cover?  Without information it no longer qualifies as concealing but rather ignorance, which by all means is something entirely different.

Applied to  66:8 God can not conceal sins if he wasn't aware of them in the first place. QED

Similarly, rabbinic jews cannot hide a revelation if it was never revealed to them.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: savage_carrot on December 11, 2015, 12:34:21 AM
This thread has gone way off topic. Take it back or start a new thread, thanks.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: hawk99 on December 11, 2015, 03:27:53 PM
Peace all,

So I have been busy on the Nature of God topics. Lots of debate about what Allah/the God is or is not, but I was just thinking earlier that actually I didn't notice anyone say 'God is love'; I sometimes hear this but I don't really get it. If God is awareness is that what love is also?

Lots of people are obsessed with measuring how much they are loved or trying to get more - 'you don't love me enough' or 'you'd do it if you really loved me' etc, you hear a lot. I am thinking well, what is this precious stuff anyway? Maybe I don't care if or how much I am loved; I think personally if I were to just get to know what it was, then I think that would be enough for me...

anyone think they know??

[img]http://media-cache-cd0.pinimg.com/736x/6e/9c/15/6e9c15d85d2ebc914345d991b24e1ad9.jpg[/img
]


Peace


30/21  And one of His signs is that He created mates for you from yourselves that
you may find tranquillity in them, and He put between you love and mercy;
most surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect.


I think the word love is a verb, meaning something that is done, an action,
something we can see and something we can feel (tranquility).  I know my wife
loves me by the way she treats me and how she looks at me, and how she touches me,
and how she worries about me, and yes corrects me and the way she takes care of me,
how much she wants to be around me and the tranquility on her face when we
are doing nothing but cuddling, and when we sing our favorite song together  and
when she cries because she says Allah has blessed her with a good marriage and family.
So I know what love is and don't have to ask "What is Love?"

 :peace:

 
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: JavaLatte on December 11, 2015, 03:53:07 PM
I know my wife loves me by the way she treats me and how she looks at me, and how she touches me, and how she worries about me, and yes corrects me and the way she takes care of me, how much she wants to be around me and the tranquility on her face when we are doing nothing but cuddling, and when we sing our favorite song together  and when she cries because she says Allah has blessed her with a good marriage and family.

So, it is not strange then... if a woman worries about the man she loves...

Brother Hawk, does your wife often worry about you?

Do you think that is a sign of love? 

And how do you feel about that?  Is that bother you?

Would you tell more about the love between you and your wife?  Please kindly share.  :D

Peace.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: hawk99 on December 11, 2015, 04:44:31 PM
So, it is not strange then... if a woman worries about the man she loves...


Peace JavaLatte

 :)   no it's not strange (my opinion only) she worries
about my diet, slept habits, my health in general, if I'm happy etc.,
conversely I worry about my precious gift from Allah (my wife) so
we fuss over each other  :)  If we did not love one another we would
not care so deeply.



Brother Hawk, does your wife often worry about you?


Now there's something that's strange, I don't think she has ever said
she worries about me.  I think we/she have hinted at it though through
our behavior.


Do you think that is a sign of love? 


Yes, I think Its is a bad sign when your spouse gives up on you and
no longer cares about you as they once did. 


And how do you feel about that?  Is that bother you?


A little, because I don't want her to worry but she finds
things to worry about and so do I  and when I worry  I turn to Allah.
and accept that "Allah is in control of all things".


                                   :peace:
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: HP_TECH on December 11, 2015, 07:04:13 PM
@Hawk.
Wow a beautiful example  :)
If God so Wills I'll remain chaste and patient until my Lord also enriches me from His Bounty as he has enriched you

Peace
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: JavaLatte on December 11, 2015, 11:15:01 PM
Peace JavaLatte
 :)   no it's not strange (my opinion only) she worries
about my diet, slept habits, my health in general, if I'm happy etc.,
conversely I worry about my precious gift from Allah (my wife) so
we fuss over each other  :)

Thank you for sharing such lovely story, brother Hawk.

I hope for that kind of precious gift from Allah as well.

But I mean a good husband... not a wife...  ;D

Quote
If we did not love one another we would
not care so deeply.

Yes. *nod


If God so Wills I'll remain chaste and patient until my Lord also enriches me from His Bounty as he has enriched you

Beautiful saying.  :)

May God grant you a good and loyal spouse,

and also a happy marriage life that blessed by Him.

Peace.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: HP_TECH on December 12, 2015, 12:18:58 AM

Beautiful saying.  :)

May God grant you a good and loyal spouse,

and also a happy marriage life that blessed by Him.

Peace.

 ;D

May God also grant unto you a righteous and loyal spouse

And May if He so wills show you through this spouse one of His signs which you yearn for: love

Peace
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: hawk99 on December 12, 2015, 09:33:11 AM
@Hawk.
Wow a beautiful example  :)
If God so Wills I'll remain chaste and patient until my Lord also enriches me from His Bounty as he has enriched you

Peace

10/62-64  Now surely the friends of Allah-- they shall have no fear nor
shall they grieve.  Those who believe and guard they shall have good
news in this world's life and in the hereafter; there is no
changing the words of Allah; that is the mighty achievement.



2/207  And among servants are those who devote themselves
seeking the pleasure of Allah; and Allah is Affectionate to the servants.


May Allah reward you for you patience.



                :peace:
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: JavaLatte on December 13, 2015, 03:14:08 AM
;D

May God also grant unto you a righteous and loyal spouse

And May if He so wills show you through this spouse one of His signs which you yearn for: love

Praise be to Allah.  :)

Thank you very much. May my Rabb grant those

May Allah reward you with abundant goodness.

Peace.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Taro Hiroshi on December 13, 2015, 05:34:45 PM
Peace everyone,

I thought I would share a few more quotes with you.

"Love recognizes no barriers. It jumps hurdles, leaps fences, penetrates walls to arrive at its destination full of hope."
- Maya Angelou

"I do not trust people who do not love themselves and yet tell me, 'I love you.' There is an African saying which is: Be careful when a naked person offers you a shirt."
- Maya Angelou

"You cannot share what you do not have. If you do not love yourself, you cannot love anyone else either."
- Don Miguel Ruiz

"You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection."
- Siddharta Gautama
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Taro Hiroshi on December 19, 2015, 10:51:13 AM
Peace everyone,

I would like to share some quotes with you. These are the last quotes from me (in this thread).

"The greatest love stories are not those in which love is only spoken of, but those in which it is acted upon."
- Steve Maraboli

"Everytime I thought I was being rejected from something good, I was actually being re-directed to something better."
- Steve Maraboli

"Try not to confuse attachment with love. Attachment is about fear and dependency, and has more to do with love of self than love of another. Love without attachment is the purest love because it isn't about what others can give you because your empty. It is about what you can give others because you're already full."
- Yasmin Mogahed

"The root of suffering is attachment."
- Siddharta Gautama

"If a person loves only one other person and is indifferent to all others, his love is not love but a symbiotic attachment, or an enlarged egotism."
- Erich Fromm

"Love is a decision, it is a judgment, it is a promise. If love were only a feeling, there would be no basis for the promise to love each other forever. A feeling comes and it may go. How can I judge that it will stay forever, when my act does not involve judgment and decision."
- Erich Fromm

"Love isn't something natural. Rather it requires discipline, concentration, patience, faith, and the overcoming of narcissism. It isn't a feeling, it is a practice."
- Erich Fromm

"Immature love says: 'I love you because I need you.' Mature love says 'I need you because I love you."
- Erich Fromm

"In love the other is important; in lust you are important."
- Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh

"Love can never possess. Love is giving freedom to the other. Love is an unconditional gift, it is not a bargain."
- Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh

"Life without love is like a tree without blossoms or fruit."
- Khalil Gibran

"It is not a lack of love, but a lack of friendship that makes unhappy marriages."
- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietsche

"Don't chase people. Be yourself, do your own thing and work hard. The right people - the ones who really belong in your life - will come to you. And stay."
- Will Smith

"Appreciate being single because that's when you grow the most...and with that growth, you come to know what you're looking for."
- Daniel Goddard
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: es on December 19, 2015, 07:58:48 PM
Salaam hawk,

How wonderful to read your posts.

By the grace of Allah, may those of us who are still existing in the bubble of our singledom be blessed with partners who are a blessing to us and we to them.

All praise is due to Allah, The Lord of The Worlds.

Peace.

Sajda.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: good logic on December 19, 2015, 11:10:28 PM
Peace.

Love is putting GOD first. That is true love, with that, you may  love all His creation.
2:165
Yet, some people set up idols to rival God, and love them as if they are God. Those who believe love God the most. If only the transgressors could see themselves when they see the retribution! They will realize then that all power belongs to God alone, and that God's retribution is awesome.

Beware, love ( of this life and in this life) can be an illusion.

GOD bless.
Peace.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: hawk99 on December 20, 2015, 11:22:08 AM
Salaam hawk,

How wonderful to read your posts.

By the grace of Allah, may those of us who are still existing in the bubble of our singledom be blessed with partners who are a blessing to us and we to them.

All praise is due to Allah, The Lord of The Worlds.

Peace.

Sajda.

Thank you Sajda, indeed, "All praise is due to Allah, The Lord of The Worlds."
May Allah grant you what you ask of him



Peace.

Love is putting GOD first. That is true love, with that, you may  love all His creation.
2:165
Yet, some people set up idols to rival God, and love them as if they are God. Those who believe love God the most. If only the transgressors could see themselves when they see the retribution! They will realize then that all power belongs to God alone, and that God's retribution is awesome.

Beware, love ( of this life and in this life) can be an illusion.

GOD bless.
Peace.

Peace good logic, you are exactly correct.   Acquiring understanding is one the
key elements to success in this life as well as the next.  Why would any sane
person live a life other than an existence that conforms with the creator of that life?
Submission to Allah is the key to happiness, therefore if we want a happy life
we should ask Allah to give us one, but in order to receive this blessing our hearts (receptacles)
must conform to what is needed to receive such a blessing. 


May Allah reward your diligence



                             :peace:
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Taro Hiroshi on December 20, 2015, 01:35:16 PM
Peace everyone,

I like your posts in this thread hawk. I hope that those of us who are single/unmarried will be blessed with partners in the future.

It seems that many men and women are very picky, demanding and entitled these days.  And it seems that many people expect to find a perfect/flawless person (a princess/prince). I think that if one has a lot of expectations/demands for a future partner, then it will become hard/difficult to find a compatible/like-minded partner. If/whenever I get to know a woman, I think it's important that we have similar beliefs and similar views on life. But we don't have to be carbon copies of each other. And we don't have to agree on everything. But we have to find a common ground. Also, people change. For example, I like to exercise regularly. And even though I want a future partner who also likes to exercise regularly, I am willing to get to know a woman who doesn't exercise at all. If I am lucky, she might start to exercise in the future. When it comes to getting to know the the opposite sex, I have many preferences. But I have few expectations.

Personally, I don't like to play games when I get to know the opposite sex. Therefore I just want to be myself from the beginning. I prefer that a woman I get to know be the same way. I think it's important to be authentic/real from the get go. Because then the opposite sex know who you are. Thus, you don't have to change/compromise yourself later.

I once read that the most happy/successful marriages, are those marriages where the husband and wives are best friends. Therefore, I want my future partner to be my best friend before we get married. If a person does not become my best friend before marriage, there is no guarantee that she will become my best friend after marriage. I believe that a marriage can only be happy/successful if a man and a woman are good/best friends. As a saying goes, "It is not a lack of love, but a lack of friendship that makes unhappy marriages."

Personally, I am not financially ready for marriage. I had some financial hardships/difficulties in the past. And used to worry about my economic situation. But a few years I ago, I overcame my financial hardships/difficulties. So thankfully, I no longer have to worry about my economic situation. That being said, I don't think that I am financially ready for marriage yet. Because the Quran suggests that a man (husband) should provide for his wife and child/children. I can provide for myself. But I can't provide for a partner yet.

Quran 24:33 And let those who are not able to marry continue to be chaste until God enriches them of His Bounty. And if those who are maintained by your oaths seek to consummate the marriage, then document it with them if you find that they are ready, and give them from the wealth of God which He has bestowed upon you. And do not force your young women to need if they have desired to be independent, in order that you may make a gain in the goods of this worldly life. And if anyone has compelled them, then for their compulsion, God is Forgiving, Merciful.

From my understanding of the Quran, verse 24:33 suggests that a man should remain pure/chaste (not get to know a woman as more than friends) until he is financially ready to take the friendship further. In other words, verse 24:33 suggests that a man should ONLY be friends with a woman until he is financially ready to take the friendship further. As mentioned earlier, I'm not financially ready for marriage. Therefore, I have decided to not get know a woman in a romantic way (as more than friends) until the future (when I become financially ready for marriage). Thus, I have decided to only be friends (have a strictly platonic relationship) with a woman until I am financially ready to get to know a woman in a romantic way (as more than friends).
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Taro Hiroshi on December 20, 2015, 01:59:05 PM
My brothers and sisters... I would like to share an article with you. 

5 advantages of being single

http://www.letstalkrelations.com/advantages-of-being-single.html

My hope is that those of you who are single/unmarried will find it helpful/useful.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: JavaLatte on December 31, 2015, 08:28:34 AM
Thank you @ Hiroshi, for letting us here to know about the heartwarming illustrations from Puuung.

I found more of her works, and I think they're also interesting and beautiful.

These are links to see more of her artworks (illustrations of love):

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/81/c2/94/81c29479a2286729dac658bab2a72e45.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/48/06/4e/48064ede4de6866ca28edea035f985a1.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9f/5d/ef/9f5defe50e0d131598ffeb428737ddea.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/56/d8/cc/56d8cced8f1a9a8d0db511812080185e.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0a/46/53/0a46537aaf4dc9f5bc47ce641c1c38c5.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7f/47/50/7f47508b79a50ff987b3a6c637e069f6.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bd/14/df/bd14dfc19db0b65746dbfa9e184649c0.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/97/a2/4c/97a24ceb2d77716ae05433fa53ec1bd4.jpg

I really like this one:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8c/99/74/8c9974d6d560810b2469852ea6977dc9.jpg)
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Taro Hiroshi on January 04, 2016, 03:48:27 PM
Peace JavaLatte and everyone, 

Thank you for sharing more of Puuung's works here. I like Puuung's artwork. I think that the pictures you shared in your links are a great addition to the link I shared (with some Puuung's artwork) in a post (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606642.msg379838#msg379838) in this thread.

By the way, I'd like to share an article here.

Real love vs. The Fake Stuff

http://www.getfrank.co.nz/dating-romance-relationships/relationship-advice/real-love-vs-the-fake-stuff
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Bender on January 05, 2016, 03:06:50 PM
Salaam,

Love is a waste of time (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAmzBv3oq8M)

Salaam,
Bender
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: good logic on January 06, 2016, 11:51:33 AM
Peace Bender.

I have just waisted 4 minutes 16 seconds! But I enjoyed it.

Peace Taro, I though I will give you a couple of quotes back!

To be happy with a man, you must understand him a lot and love him a little.

To be happy with a woman, you must love her a lot and not try to understand her at all!


GOD bless you both.
Peace.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: Taro Hiroshi on May 03, 2016, 12:59:26 PM
Peace hawk99,

Peace


30/21  And one of His signs is that He created mates for you from yourselves that
you may find tranquillity in them, and He put between you love and mercy;
most surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect.


I think the word love is a verb, meaning something that is done, an action,
something we can see and something we can feel (tranquility).  I know my wife
loves me by the way she treats me and how she looks at me, and how she touches me,
and how she worries about me, and yes corrects me and the way she takes care of me,
how much she wants to be around me and the tranquility on her face when we
are doing nothing but cuddling, and when we sing our favorite song together  and
when she cries because she says Allah has blessed her with a good marriage and family.
So I know what love is and don't have to ask "What is Love?"


 :peace:


Very interesting post, hawk99. Thank you for sharing your thoughts about "what love is." Your wife seems like a compassionate and insightful woman. And it seems that both of you have realized the meaning of true love. You are indeed a lucky man. I am happy for you.

Quran 25:74 Those who say, "Our Lord, grant us from our mates and our progeny what will be the comfort of our eyes, and make us role models for the righteous."

May the God continue to bless you with a happy marriage.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: imrankhawaja on May 03, 2016, 07:18:31 PM
what is love baby dnt hurt me, no more no more,

song expalin what love is actually, love is the kind of test lol in which very lucky people get pass,

drawbacks of love, anytimme it can happen with anybody , and it have no remedy at all, specially in the case of cheating on wife/husband.

advantages of love, could not find it yet still searching.  :rotfl: one advantage it will give you experience about the next relationship but this advantage is not useful at all, lol
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: imrankhawaja on May 03, 2016, 07:34:39 PM
I think the word love is a verb, meaning something that is done, an action,
something we can see and something we can feel (tranquility).  I know my wife
loves me by the way she treats me and how she looks at me, and how she touches me,
and how she worries about me, and yes corrects me and the way she takes care of me,
how much she wants to be around me and the tranquility on her face when we
are doing nothing but cuddling, and when we sing our favorite song together  and
when she cries because she says Allah has blessed her with a good marriage and family.
So I know what love is and don't have to ask "What is Love?"


 :peace:


lol i remeber the first our months of my first marriage she do the same with me, but as soon my bank account finish , her love finish as well,,  :rotfl: :rotfl:


ohh thanx God i did not told her about my other accounts, :yay: :yay: otherwise her love would have been extended.

i remeber paying 50 pounds for one cup of tea when i come home tired. and i only ask a cup of tea actually a nasty and shit taste  of tea once in a week, lol,

and another surprise , after two months of marriage i find out i m readymade father of 6 yeaar old kid,  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

thats what you say height of love,

after that i understand life is game , and there are lot of players , some are very much cheaters. now next time i will play safe.

but about the love of hawk, may Allah bless you always happiness and same love , inshAllah

about my case it was my own mistake i get honey trap with that so called love.and it was scam

by the way she is in very poor conditions now a days with a kid , and i help her in money matters , becoz as a true lover of God i must pay charity .
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: fye on May 04, 2016, 09:11:57 AM
What does the Quran say about love. I recall a verse speaking they love them as they should love ALLAH.
Is love dedication in this since we have about 100 years of life and I saw time being meantioned in a post here so dedication of time or more like sacrifice of time and energy?
If anyone gets any context clues about the word love from the Quran please post them it may give us a better answer.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: imrankhawaja on May 04, 2016, 11:08:43 AM
What does the Quran say about love. I recall a verse speaking they love them as they should love ALLAH.
Is love dedication in this since we have about 100 years of life and I saw time being meantioned in a post here so dedication of time or more like sacrifice of time and energy?
If anyone gets any context clues about the word love from the Quran please post them it may give us a better answer.

the love of God is the only true love , all other loves are trial and like a matrix of this worldly dimenshn,

i cant recall verse but the meanings is only Allah who really cares and love creation, rest of them are necesseties , but  make sure always and always love of God is priority , as far i concern i always love allah more than anything else, after Allah then prophets and then on third place my parents, rest of the loves are nasty and dodgy
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: hawk99 on May 07, 2016, 06:06:20 AM
Peace hawk99,

Very interesting post, hawk99. Thank you for sharing your thoughts about "what love is." Your wife seems like a compassionate and insightful woman. And it seems that both of you have realized the meaning of true love. You are indeed a lucky man. I am happy for you.

Quran 25:74 Those who say, "Our Lord, grant us from our mates and our progeny what will be the comfort of our eyes, and make us role models for the righteous."

May the God continue to bless you with a happy marriage.

Thank you Taro Hiroshi, I want for you and all others what I want for myself.


lol i remeber the first our months of my first marriage she do the same with me, but as soon my bank account finish , her love finish as well,,  :rotfl: :rotfl:



Peace imrankhawaja, I think this post belongs in the thread "what is not love"    :yes


                        :peace:
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: imrankhawaja on May 07, 2016, 07:57:00 AM


Peace imrankhawaja, I think this post belongs in the thread "what is not love"    :yes


                        :peace:

hahaha,  :rotfl:

there is no such thread exist here, hope so in future,
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: The Guided One on May 07, 2016, 08:44:36 PM
There are different kind of loves, you love your parents and you see their mistakes for example, but loving a girl can make you blind. Love for God is true love. Love is when you would die for that person. But you can love your dog too, and then comes the question , would you die for you dog? Nobody would, so we have different kinds of love. So to answer the question we first have to know about what kind of love and between who. I would say love is when you would die for that person or at least chop off your arm.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: huruf on May 08, 2016, 12:31:27 AM
I understand that nobody here has mentionned Qur'an, but for the sake of clarity when the question asked is

what is love?
I would like to knnow which arabic word from the Qur'an is translated as love?

Love, like peace, is a very nice word which can mean anything, I would lik to know whther we are in ious dreams or getting into something clearer, so which word of the Qur'an means the love her is being spoken of?

Salaam
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: imrankhawaja on May 08, 2016, 04:36:49 AM
There are different kind of loves, you love your parents and you see their mistakes for example, but loving a girl can make you blind. Love for God is true love. Love is when you would die for that person. But you can love your dog too, and then comes the question , would you die for you dog? Nobody would, so we have different kinds of love. So to answer the question we first have to know about what kind of love and between who. I would say love is when you would die for that person or at least chop off your arm.

if somebody know you love them such a way that you will die for them , they wil take your advantage and they make you die and your death will give them life, lolxx, even if you love somebody dnt show them love
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: The Guided One on May 08, 2016, 07:29:54 AM
if somebody know you love them such a way that you will die for them , they wil take your advantage and they make you die and your death will give them life, lolxx, even if you love somebody dnt show them love

So you do not show love to your parents, or if you have a pet. Do you have a wife? I think not. Brother first you will have to feel real war and hate to realize what is love. You just go and laugh and make comments that make no sense, how can my death give someone life, that person is already alive and only Allah gives life, not me dying. You really do not now what love is, real love is worth dying for. Love for Allah is worth of dying.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: imrankhawaja on May 08, 2016, 08:03:53 AM
So you do not show love to your parents, or if you have a pet. Do you have a wife? I think not. Brother first you will have to feel real war and hate to realize what is love. You just go and laugh and make comments that make no sense, how can my death give someone life, that person is already alive and only Allah gives life, not me dying. You really do not now what love is, real love is worth dying for. Love for Allah is worth of dying.

my brother , peace

first of all what ever i say in my post its imaginary/methphory not in actual,

like we say my life become hell,
or when you tensed somebody a lot , other person said you making me dead,
while under water when breath  mix with water and you shout , i m dead :rotfl:

while enjoying party  somebody say , i m feeling myself alive,

apart from that no doubt in reality and real meaning death and life is in the hands of almighty, supreme being.

red for this again you misunderstood , refer my post 86 regarding all this.

about my fun , some topics are funny some are romantic some are spirtual we need to act in manner according to subject tone,

now a days realtionship of husband/wife and GF/BF are like internat happen qucikly finish qucikly
may be life is going so fast in the era of tecnology and science advancments lol

peace God bless you
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: The Guided One on May 09, 2016, 03:57:45 AM
my brother , peace

first of all what ever i say in my post its imaginary/methphory not in actual,

like we say my life become hell,
or when you tensed somebody a lot , other person said you making me dead,
while under water when breath  mix with water and you shout , i m dead :rotfl:

while enjoying party  somebody say , i m feeling myself alive,

apart from that no doubt in reality and real meaning death and life is in the hands of almighty, supreme being.

red for this again you misunderstood , refer my post 86 regarding all this.

about my fun , some topics are funny some are romantic some are spirtual we need to act in manner according to subject tone,

now a days realtionship of husband/wife and GF/BF are like internat happen qucikly finish qucikly
may be life is going so fast in the era of tecnology and science advancments lol

peace God bless you

God bless you too, i misunderstood you

Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: imrankhawaja on May 09, 2016, 04:29:44 AM
God bless you too, i misunderstood you

 :handshake:

peace
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: lostINtheWORLD on May 09, 2016, 12:35:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhrBDcQq2DM

Haddaway ~ What is love?

Just for fun. No off-topic intended.  :)

However, a good question indeed.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: imrankhawaja on May 09, 2016, 04:02:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhrBDcQq2DM

Haddaway ~ What is love?

Just for fun. No off-topic intended.  :)

However, a good question indeed.


i already remind of that song, what is love baby dnt hurt me, no more,lolxx
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: hawk99 on May 14, 2016, 10:44:11 AM
Apparently my definition of what is love was incomplete to
some people because folks have determined that there are many
kinds of love
but if we continue to define love as a verb or an action
word and that action is given out towards an object (noun or pronoun, idea etc.,) 
we will find that love is consistent and that only the objects change. 
Love is always how one treats, feels towards an object!


am I getting closer?


                                                          O0
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: HP_TECH on May 14, 2016, 12:46:20 PM
Apparently my definition of what is love was incomplete to
some people because folks have determined that there are many
kinds of love
but if we continue to define love as a verb or an action
word and that action is given out towards an object (noun or pronoun, idea etc.,) 
we will find that love is consistent and that only the objects change. 
Love is always how one treats, feels towards an object!


am I getting closer?

                                                          O0

I endorse this. The objects are the ones that change but the act of loving remains consistent.
Love entails: care, comfort, concern for, protection of and desire for the recipient to improve,succeed, progress, thrive. One of the qualities it holds it is that it is unconditional.

I believe people mistakenly load the word love with other ideas.
When most people refer to romantic love they load the word love with attraction and desire(& etc).
While these concepts are distinct from what love is.
You can have attraction towards someone or desire someone without loving them.
This is indicative of the word love having loaded meaning.

Hawk is correct, the act of loving or even the noun love is consistent
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: good logic on May 14, 2016, 02:56:30 PM
Peace Hawk.

Brother , do you think  that there are different strengths of Love?:

For example strong / weak love!

Also long term/short term love!
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: HP_TECH on May 14, 2016, 05:31:31 PM
Peace Hawk.

Brother , do you think  that there are different strengths of Love?:

For example strong / weak love!

Also long term/short term love!
GOD bless you.
Peace.

He cannot objectively answer that question unless you define what YOU mean by love.

For example my understanding of love is: blah blah
Hawk do you agree with love meaning blah blah
Hawk based on a definition we agree upon are there degrees of love( blah blah )?
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: hawk99 on May 14, 2016, 09:33:56 PM
I endorse this. The objects are the ones that change but the act of loving remains consistent.
Love entails: care, comfort, concern for, protection of and desire for the recipient to improve,succeed, progress, thrive. One of the qualities it holds it is that it is unconditional.

I believe people mistakenly load the word love with other ideas.
When most people refer to romantic love they load the word love with attraction and desire(& etc).
While these concepts are distinct from what love is.
You can have attraction towards someone or desire someone without loving them.
This is indicative of the word love having loaded meaning.

Hawk is correct, the act of loving or even the noun love is consistent

Peace HP_TECH excellent post, because you give details and words of
the aspects of love (positive).  Appreciation can garner love.

Peace Hawk.

Brother , do you think  that there are different strengths of Love?:

For example strong / weak love!

Also long term/short term love!
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Great question good logic, Again, is your question  "can love be in degrees"? 
If you define love as I do as a verb I would say yes.

As far as short term and long term love goes, I would say yes you can have both
short term and long term love.  However what happened in the case of short
term love to bring it to an end, why are the actions of love (submission to Allah)
care, comfort, concern (for a spouse) Support belief (of an idea) intensity, attention
(to our favorite team)  no longer geared towards that object, what happened,  convinced
otherwise?  lost trust?  lost interest because (fill in the blank) discovered something disturbing?
Suspicion?  Bored?



 8)
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: good logic on May 15, 2016, 12:58:02 AM
Peace Hawk.

I agree.
In other words we need to keep working hard at "Love" to keep it going at the right degree and keep it long term.
Qoran is right, we are here to work hard .A lot of effort is required daily to stay out of trouble.
 "Love" is the most important of all the other traits one needs to have in life.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: huruf on May 15, 2016, 03:47:51 AM
I have askedthis question several times and nobody has answered. It must be very difficult.

My question has been, when all thi talk about love is going on, which word in the Arabic Qur'an would stand for "love" as expressed in all these messages?

Please do answer.

Salaam
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: HP_TECH on May 15, 2016, 06:23:43 AM
I have askedthis question several times and nobody has answered. It must be very difficult.

My question has been, when all thi talk about love is going on, which word in the Arabic Qur'an would stand for "love" as expressed in all these messages?

Please do answer.

Salaam

Hi huruf,

It's sort of like asking which Arabic word in Quran would best describe "righteous" there is not one word there are many different words that convey similar meaning.

The idea of a word in Quran maintaining a universal consistent meaning in every occurrence is a bit of a stretch.

Sometimes some words change meaning depending on context and other factors.

I find these set of roots:

ha-ba-ba
wa-dal-dal
ra-ha-mim
ha-nun-nun
hamza-lam-fa

All these roots encompass definitions we have given for love in these messages some obviously more than others.

Why don't you tell us what you find sister?
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: huruf on May 15, 2016, 10:06:22 AM
I do not find anything, I just wanted to know what you were talking about. Love is like a catch all and anything word, particularly apt to allow moving pots around without end.

Salaam
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: JavaLatte on May 15, 2016, 07:31:41 PM
I've learned that love (true love) is not blind.

I think true love toward someone is the love where I can see (know, understand) why I love that person, and loving someone involves gratitude, steadfastness and loyalty. Loving another person is like having strong friendship with someone who walks on similar path - as if they walk together hand in hand on a road - they have a same/similar final destination and they support one another, seeking way to serve their Rabb and keep loyal to Him, and these two person are willing to forgive each other and listen to each other's dreams, feelings, ideas, and thoughts, thus they could understand each other in many ways.

Peace.
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: IAMOP on May 18, 2016, 02:54:54 AM
True Love is all that which leads to Paradise
If it leads to Hell it cannot be Love
This is because Allah, the One, the Source, is the Love
Denial of Love is Hell
Acceptance of Virtue is Love

This then has direct manifestations on the planet we live on
Love between individual servants is a subset
Love between a servant and Al-Wadud is the primary
With this Love then love between individual servants by necessity manifests onto the worldly plane (dunya)
This is intrinsic love
Love is for Creator first and foremost then Creator permits and forbids giving and receiving of energy
All other kinds of things going by the name of "love" are misleading
The only friendship is between people leading each other to Sure Witness of Sure Truth on the final day
This friendship carries with it Truth which is known by the nature of the discourses and actions which spring forth, being of an intrinsically purposeful nature
Discourse between souls of the nature of the implicate acceptance of the Hereafter is the only discourse that leads to Justice in dunya and in Akhirah
All else is frivolous and causes harm through the allocation of time to the shirk or munafiq, time which is allocated by Creator for the doing of good and for the cultivation of fruitive thoughts


All the pleasures are given through Creator's justice, pleasures of all kinds
This is because Creator is the Reason for Existence of All Things
All the pleasures that taghut claims to give or hold the keys to, Creator has already given them in full and with fulfilment in the heart
This is because taghut, shirk and munafiq/nifaq are rooted in attempt to deny Reason for Existence of All Things yet attempt to search for pleasure while denying Root of All Pleasure
Taghut - falsehood/oppression/injustice, shirk - blindly following others or oneself/idolatry, munafiq/nifaq - hypocrisy/self-delusion
Uncleanness masquerading as clarity is one kind of taghut - the body signals the feeling that something is not quite right - there is a trace of hurt
Uncleanness openly unclean is yet another kind of taghut - the body signals the feeling that something is openly not right
That which is natural, liberating, freeing, and of Supreme Justice, relaxation, tranquility, that is of Allah
That which answers all questions with the best of explanations leaving no further room for doubt having presented all scenarios and outcomes unconditionally loving and guiding to truth, that is of Allah
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: hawk99 on May 26, 2016, 02:17:46 PM
Peace Hawk.

I agree.
In other words we need to keep working hard at "Love" to keep it going at the right degree and keep it long term.
Qoran is right, we are here to work hard .A lot of effort is required daily to stay out of trouble.
"Love" is the most important of all the other traits one needs to have in life.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Yes good logic I am not owed love, I must earn it, be deserving of it
by "being" that which can receive, and "becoming" the person who it should
be directed at.  Not being afraid, humility, empathy, compromise and charity are key. 
Like paradise we who are tested must earn it.

                 :peace:
Title: Re: What is love? - discuss.
Post by: huruf on May 27, 2016, 05:57:37 AM
I I were to follow my instinct, like an animal, yes, Man of Faith, like an animal alhamdulillah, my instinct, love or whatever, would be the instinct to die, to fuse, to attain absolute. All fallings in love are like sparks of the ONE light. We crave for it, but it is tooooooo much, so we must near it very little step by very little step, otherwise we will fall into may be emptiness, may be hell, may be nothingness. Love is the instinct for God, but we call it other things, a beautiful man, a wonderful day, the breeze and light of a may day. Love is beauty to the point of death. Love is ceasing to exist and be happy with it. Love is God's weapon to win us for Him and therefore for ourselves.

But love is a word which now is very trivial and imprecise.

Salaam