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Title: Multiple wives.
Post by: Ali Nasser on February 05, 2014, 08:57:25 PM
Can someone please explain to me, why prophet mohommed was the only one allowed to have more than one wife? Where is the sense and logic in that?
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: huruf on February 06, 2014, 02:47:07 AM
You should quote an aya or more to know exactly what you are talking about. What you state is not so. So please, quote where you got that.

Salaam
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: drfazl on February 06, 2014, 03:02:58 AM


First Muhammad is not mentioned in the ayat; it shall be with reference to any other prophets of afore times, too. Sex is not important for the prophets, in marriage; to them sex is not the primary requisite but the pre-requisite is to take the system of Islam to various religious sections and belief-systems of his populations' women folk.
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: DrGm on February 06, 2014, 05:02:43 AM

First Muhammad is not mentioned in the ayat; it shall be with reference to any other prophets of afore times, too. Sex is not important for the prophets, in marriage; to them sex is not the primary requisite but the pre-requisite is to take the system of Islam to various religious sections and belief-systems of his populations' women folk.

peace dr,
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but the pre-requisite is to take the system of Islam to various religious sections and belief-systems of his populations' women folk.

could you please  elaborate.

peace.
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: uma on February 06, 2014, 12:39:45 PM
Also the ayat I think you are referring to is where Allah talks about marrying widows and he says you can marry them in twos threes and fours. But note that Allah does not put a cap on how many one can marry. So therefore I believe men can marry as many women as they wish so long as they can treat them all equally, which tbh I think is near impossible for most men. So therefore Quran advises them to stick to one.
Also if you read Islamic history you will find that many sahabas including Omar RA and Usman RA had more than four wives at a time.
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: Man of Faith on February 06, 2014, 01:47:07 PM
Peace,

As far as I have understood few prophets had multiple wives, at least the few cases wives are mentioned alongside them. Concubines perhaps, but not wives. Abraham had Sarah (unnamed in The Book 11:71), Lut had one anonymous wife (7:83, 11:81), Noah had one wife, Adam had one wife (2:35, 7:19). The sentences are written in such a manner that you cannot extract any other meaning than that they were monogamous.

2:102 speaks of man and his wife.

3:40, 19:5 speaks of Zachariah and his wife are old. If he had more wives perhaps another could bear his offspring.

4:20 talks of divorcing one wife for another, i.e one for another.

12:21, 12:25 Joseph's master had one apparent wife. 12:51 observe 'the wife of'

Polygamy is nothing which is supported to any greater extent in The Book except for some loosely translated verses. Allowed or not, our role models did not have a harem of wives. Only unrighteous people seem to have had multiple wives such as Pharaoh.

And as we spoke before it is not meant for man to have multiple wives due to the design. The ratio female vs male is almost even. Another way is against the system in my humble opinion.

God bless you
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: Earthdom on February 06, 2014, 06:13:43 PM
Most of phrophet have many wives,
But the reason of this is because of some circumstances.

Peace
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: drfazl on February 06, 2014, 10:55:35 PM



peace dr,
could you please  elaborate.

peace.

DrGm,

The duty of the prophets are:
To explain to you the Book
To teach you its Wisdom
To differentiate to you between Good and bad
To enjoin upon you all that is good
To forbid you from all evils and
To free you from slavery.

57:20  Know that the life of this world is but amusement and diversion and adornment and boasting to one another and competition in increase of wealth and children - Hence the prophets' lives are not for fun and fare; their lives are not to increase their families and wealth; and their lives are not for show of pride and arrogance. And for them is long hours of work during the day 73:7; and they sleep very little in the night 51:17. They stand in prayers nearly two thirds in the night praising and remembering the glory of Allah 73:20; further the prophets are woken up in the nights from their covers 73, 74:1; and in the early morning hours to go to their people to warn them and make them ready for the fight against all evil 74:2. Thus for the prophets no intentions for sex during the day time; nor did they have any time for it during the nights that they stayed away from fearing and guarding Allah's admonition; and seeking forgiveness for themselves and for others; and remembering Him more and more staying awake in the nights, all their lives.

DrGm, what do you understand from all these ayats? Have the prophets got any thing or any time left with them for their family life? or selfish life style? No, most people have gotten them all wrong and May God forbid for us; and forgive us.

The prophets were sent to an almost forbidden society on its last legs splintered into fractured groups who had become like aborigines with very little calibre to understand the Truth. Amongst them the prophets had to move in and live to teach them the Book and the Wisdom, a Himalayan task. Even amongst such people were the endowed and dignified ones who become like disciples who could remember the oath given to Allah that they should help their prophets with their wealth and lives. 3:81  "Whatever I give you of the Scripture and wisdom and then there comes to you a messenger confirming what is with you, you shall believe in him and support him."  Said, "Have you acknowledged and taken upon that My commitment?" They said, "We have acknowledged it." He said, "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."

Such of these, men and women from among their peoples, do volunteer to help their Prophets by listening to their prophets and go back to their men and women folks to guide them in the straight path from their evil-mind caused situations. While males can sit with their prophets for all time day or night, the women cannot be that way. Yet their women folks need to be taught too. In such a situation those among women who have the ability to get to the straight path; and who can gain better of the Book and of the Wisdom are chosen to get married to their prophets in their works.

They now gain the status as the wives of the prophet; and for the believers they unto them are mothers who live and sacrifice their lives, for the lives of their people. Surely for the believers the wives of the prophets are their mothers; and the believers are by nature forbidden from entering into their mothers' private matters of privacy; this is a grace from Allah that the minds of the believers would never wander into such gross indecency.

But the ignorant ones in whose hearts is the disease and the arrogant disbelievers would enter into such indecencies creating maliciousness to the prophets' and their wives' pure intention-relation in the cause of Allah. It is atrocious to say that the prophets did have concubines or paramours bringing disrepute to themselves in the cause of Allah, and degrading the sacrificing women in the straight path.

Those who validate the prophets' wives as their mothers with piety to God, such of them are the legitimate descendants of the prophets that shall reap the good on the earth and enter the heaven. And those who claim the prophets did have illegal concubines, such of them become illegitimate descendants of all evil forces. It is better to stay quiet on matters in which we have no knowledge or less know, so that we are saved from the questioning before the detrimental torment of blazing fire in both the worlds.

17:36  And do not pursue that of which you have no knowledge. Indeed, the hearing, the sight and the heart - about all those one will be questioned.

Any further question welcome, DrGm.

Peace.
 

Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: Man of Faith on February 06, 2014, 11:40:17 PM
Peace,

My list is most earthdom? Muhammad is the only one with many wives. The rest had one or and some perhaps two if the Lore is accurate which I have doubts about. Moses is said to have had two wives in the Bible. He got an additional by working for Jethro a few more years.

Only one in hearsay with many wives is Solomon but that could be just fairy tales.

I see no support for marrying an army of wives. 

God bless you
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: dr.rks on February 07, 2014, 06:18:15 AM
Peace dr.fazl,
                 For many years i was not getting answer whenever i read about prophet's wives. After reading your posting i have cleared my doubts. You explained about the prophets,not only about his duties but how they were sincere to allah's guidance. Really i realised how much time iam spending thoughts on allah. You dealt with this subject in utmost clarity. You have thrown light on these topics with your wisdom. All praise to allah.

Another important thing you have mentioned is that marriage is not for sex. World should understand this concept. This freeminds forum will be an eye opener for the entire world. Lot of my friends really wondered after reading the explanation by you from the quran.

Knowing well about the thoughtless people and the society,prophets have protected the women-folk who were working with him in the path of righteousness.

Such thoughtless people even go to the extent of disgracing these motherly women as concubines. At this moment i want to remind this ayat 5:5

"This day good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And chaste women from among the believers and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers."
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: diamantinehoneybunch on February 07, 2014, 08:36:58 AM
Also the ayat I think you are referring to is where Allah talks about marrying widows and he says you can marry them in twos threes and fours. But note that Allah does not put a cap on how many one can marry. So therefore I believe men can marry as many women as they wish so long as they can treat them all equally, which tbh I think is near impossible for most men. So therefore Quran advises them to stick to one.
Also if you read Islamic history you will find that many sahabas including Omar RA and Usman RA had more than four wives at a time.
But there are a few who understand that verse 4:3 is not about to marry multiple women, instead to marry OFF.

What can you say about that?



I also do not understand why Muhammad ibn Abdullah had 9-11 wives.
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: Earthdom on February 07, 2014, 08:58:18 AM
Peace,

My list is most earthdom? Muhammad is the only one with many wives. The rest had one or and some perhaps two if the Lore is accurate which I have doubts about. Moses is said to have had two wives in the Bible. He got an additional by working for Jethro a few more years.

Only one in hearsay with many wives is Solomon but that could be just fairy tales.

I see no support for marrying an army of wives. 

God bless you

Peace Man of Faith.

I hope if Muhammad have many wives is just a fairy tale, but by looking the genentic evidences of Muhammad's tribes/bani (who nowdays existed in Yemen and Saudi) is the descendant from people mentioned in hadith by looking the genealogy.
We cannot simply said if hadith is just merely fairy tales as well as the characters in there.
Some may true, some not.

Regarding multiple verses, this subject is very complicated.
In the Quran itself the Arabic word used for wive is nisaa'.As you now nisaa' is plural means more than two (multiple).

Maybe I should follow your advice if phrophet have multiple wives in the Bible is just a conjecture.

I'm neutral in this thread and let's God and the common sense prevail.




Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: Ali Nasser on February 07, 2014, 12:15:14 PM
I cannot remember the exact verse reference, but it said something along the lines of women offering themselves to the messenger, and him being the only one allowed to take them while it was not allowed for believers, it was only allowed for the prophet. The one about orphans isn't the verse I am referring to. And we can't marry more than one on the basis of treating them equally, because god tells us in the quran we cannot treat worm equally no matter how hard we try (again do not remember the reference)
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: jhonsonmustafa on February 07, 2014, 05:37:44 PM
Peace dr.fazl,
                 For many years i was not getting answer whenever i read about prophet's wives. After reading your posting i have cleared my doubts. You explained about the prophets,not only about his duties but how they were sincere to allah's guidance. Really i realised how much time iam spending thoughts on allah. You dealt with this subject in utmost clarity. You have thrown light on these topics with your wisdom. All praise to allah.

Another important thing you have mentioned is that marriage is not for sex. World should understand this concept. This freeminds forum will be an eye opener for the entire world. Lot of my friends really wondered after reading the explanation by you from the quran.

Knowing well about the thoughtless people and the society,prophets have protected the women-folk who were working with him in the path of righteousness.

Such thoughtless people even go to the extent of disgracing these motherly women as concubines. At this moment i want to remind this ayat 5:5

"This day good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And chaste women from among the believers and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers."

Whenever  Truth is revealed the eyes filled with tears. To confirm this is 5:83..you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of the truth they have recognized. They say: "Our Lord! We believe; so write us down among the witnesses.

Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: Ali Nasser on February 07, 2014, 09:55:29 PM
@drfazl

Your interpretation seems to be very logical, but I would like to confirm what you have said with undeniable proof. Not to say your view is useless, just so that I can verify information based on facts rather than listening to what I hear through conjecture. Now my question is would you happen to know the definition and root words of 'azwaj/azwajuka'? Does it mean spouse in regards to someone whom you have sexual relations with? Or is the word more vague, like 'partners' for example, in which the word partners is not limited to sexual interactions but rather could be partners in anything such as intellectual, or sporting buddies, book reading buddy, etc etc (if that made any sense).
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: huruf on February 08, 2014, 01:42:05 AM
Look at aya 33.52

"It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens): and Allah doth watch over all things. (52)"

What you see in that aya is that in fact no privilege is given to the Prophet but quite the opposite, he is forbidden to sed any more wives, or to divorce from any of them or to exchange one for another. And that was only for him.

On the other hand poligamy, of wife or husband is not absolutely forbidden in the Qur'an, but normal, ordinary marriage is the monogamous marriage.

Salaam
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: hawk99 on February 08, 2014, 02:52:18 AM
Peace,

The Quran is a book of wisdom and has a context that is overarching and better understood if circumstances
are understood.  For instance, the prohibition of marrying sisters became law for the believers after the ayat
4/23.  Slavery today in its ancient form is almost non-existent today but not abolished all at once, the
freeing of slaves is encouraged by God.  Polygamy for the sake of orphans is lawful still today for those who
can afford it and do not have ulterior motives that are self serving, but is a form of zakat and good will for
those in need.  A man can be equitable only if he is not emotionally or physically needy of the intended
family, but involving himself with the orphans for the sake of a better society.


God bless

   :peace:
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: drfazl on February 08, 2014, 03:59:51 PM


@drfazl

Your interpretation seems to be very logical, but I would like to confirm what you have said with undeniable proof. Not to say your view is useless, just so that I can verify information based on facts rather than listening to what I hear through conjecture. Now my question is would you happen to know the definition and root words of 'azwaj/azwajuka'? Does it mean spouse in regards to someone whom you have sexual relations with? Or is the word more vague, like 'partners' for example, in which the word partners is not limited to sexual interactions but rather could be partners in anything such as intellectual, or sporting buddies, book reading buddy, etc etc (if that made any sense).



Nasser,

Using the Insight leads you to unmistaken Truth through the reasoning guided by The Almighty. I have given you in my post enough verses to lift your levels of understanding to such perception quality so that you need not consider my post as conjectural. Literal lingual application using your grammar and root words would never elevate you to any sound propositions.

Peace.

Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: diamantinehoneybunch on February 08, 2014, 10:16:05 PM
Polygamy for the sake of orphans?????. I think allowing the mothers of orphans to marry another men (monogamous) or to live their lives by their own is much better.

And many people ignore my previous post.
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: Ali Nasser on February 08, 2014, 10:26:17 PM
@diamantinehoneybunch

Perhaps you may be onto something, but I cannot comment due to my limited knowledge. I really hope you're right because your explanation is VERY logical.
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: stillearning on February 09, 2014, 02:32:20 AM
Aoa

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But there are a few who understand that verse 4:3 is not about to marry multiple women, instead to marry OFF.

What can you say about that?


If the verse meant to marry OFF, from which I assume you mean to marry them off to someone. How does the rest of the verse fit in with this.

Regards
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: Ali Nasser on February 09, 2014, 03:58:55 AM
I reckon it could be that to help the orphans, marry their mothers off, one, two, three, four, but if you cannot be just and fund their families, then stick to just the one, or with those who you have contractual rights with so you can together with your partner to look after these people.
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: DrGm on February 10, 2014, 06:42:57 PM

DrGm,

The duty of the prophets are:
To explain to you the Book
To teach you its Wisdom
To differentiate to you between Good and bad
To enjoin upon you all that is good
To forbid you from all evils and
To free you from slavery.

57:20  Know that the life of this world is but amusement and diversion and adornment and boasting to one another and competition in increase of wealth and children - Hence the prophets' lives are not for fun and fare; their lives are not to increase their families and wealth; and their lives are not for show of pride and arrogance. And for them is long hours of work during the day 73:7; and they sleep very little in the night 51:17. They stand in prayers nearly two thirds in the night praising and remembering the glory of Allah 73:20; further the prophets are woken up in the nights from their covers 73, 74:1; and in the early morning hours to go to their people to warn them and make them ready for the fight against all evil 74:2. Thus for the prophets no intentions for sex during the day time; nor did they have any time for it during the nights that they stayed away from fearing and guarding Allah's admonition; and seeking forgiveness for themselves and for others; and remembering Him more and more staying awake in the nights, all their lives.

DrGm, what do you understand from all these ayats? Have the prophets got any thing or any time left with them for their family life? or selfish life style? No, most people have gotten them all wrong and May God forbid for us; and forgive us.

The prophets were sent to an almost forbidden society on its last legs splintered into fractured groups who had become like aborigines with very little calibre to understand the Truth. Amongst them the prophets had to move in and live to teach them the Book and the Wisdom, a Himalayan task. Even amongst such people were the endowed and dignified ones who become like disciples who could remember the oath given to Allah that they should help their prophets with their wealth and lives. 3:81  "Whatever I give you of the Scripture and wisdom and then there comes to you a messenger confirming what is with you, you shall believe in him and support him."  Said, "Have you acknowledged and taken upon that My commitment?" They said, "We have acknowledged it." He said, "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."

Such of these, men and women from among their peoples, do volunteer to help their Prophets by listening to their prophets and go back to their men and women folks to guide them in the straight path from their evil-mind caused situations. While males can sit with their prophets for all time day or night, the women cannot be that way. Yet their women folks need to be taught too. In such a situation those among women who have the ability to get to the straight path; and who can gain better of the Book and of the Wisdom are chosen to get married to their prophets in their works.

They now gain the status as the wives of the prophet; and for the believers they unto them are mothers who live and sacrifice their lives, for the lives of their people. Surely for the believers the wives of the prophets are their mothers; and the believers are by nature forbidden from entering into their mothers' private matters of privacy; this is a grace from Allah that the minds of the believers would never wander into such gross indecency.

But the ignorant ones in whose hearts is the disease and the arrogant disbelievers would enter into such indecencies creating maliciousness to the prophets' and their wives' pure intention-relation in the cause of Allah. It is atrocious to say that the prophets did have concubines or paramours bringing disrepute to themselves in the cause of Allah, and degrading the sacrificing women in the straight path.

Those who validate the prophets' wives as their mothers with piety to God, such of them are the legitimate descendants of the prophets that shall reap the good on the earth and enter the heaven. And those who claim the prophets did have illegal concubines, such of them become illegitimate descendants of all evil forces. It is better to stay quiet on matters in which we have no knowledge or less know, so that we are saved from the questioning before the detrimental torment of blazing fire in both the worlds.

17:36  And do not pursue that of which you have no knowledge. Indeed, the hearing, the sight and the heart - about all those one will be questioned.

Any further question welcome, DrGm.

Peace.

peace,

please bear with me dr. i was stuck with my internet connection.

i'm clear now dr.  the reply is satisfactory and elaborate.  the chosen messengers and prophets are models for mankind in righteousness.  the righteousness of the messengers can be understood only be Allah and His believers / His bondsmen / His truthful / His martyrs / His noble / His men of understanding / His obedience / His surrendering / His righteous / ...

no questions dr.

peace
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: mohamad itani on February 13, 2014, 06:09:38 PM
i can say a lot about what i think and that would mean a great deal to me.but to really understand Quran one has to learn from it.
in aya where more wives is mentioned like two three or four look at the words closely,and don't jump to conclusions. most of the words are explained out of the context of the Quran now a days.
eg "a3dilu" could mean return.
who are Yatama ilnisa ?
this verse could be understood in multiple ways.i still would say we must think more in the context of the Quran and try to be patient to know what this means.
what if this Aya meant that man can get married more than once ,not necessarily after divorce ,but after a wives death.
the aya could simply mean if you "scared in not returning the dead mothers  girl orphans then marry what "taba lakum" of woman,twice ,thrice ,four times.
the aya is really complicated and needs to be compared with all text that has similar words from the quran.
there most be some work done here. or else the meaning will not be clear regardless of what we think.
peace.
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: dawngorgeous on February 16, 2014, 04:32:25 AM
The Koran tells us not to commit adultery quite clearly. That logically means one man, one woman. We don't need to know why he allowed the prophets to have several wives. More importantly, why are some 'Muslim' men and some unfortunately not great thinking women, trying to force the non argument of more than one wife?
Peace.
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: Ali Nasser on February 16, 2014, 05:09:25 AM
That's why I started this thread so I can clarify it. Was he allowed more than one wife? Are we allowed/not allowed to have more than one wife?
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: diamantinehoneybunch on February 16, 2014, 05:34:13 AM
And that's why I am a skeptic.
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: Noon waalqalami on February 16, 2014, 06:21:58 AM
I reckon it could be that to help the orphans, marry their mothers off, one, two, three, four, but if you cannot be just and fund their families, then stick to just the one, or with those who you have contractual rights with so you can together with your partner to look after these people.

Peace Ali,

4:23
 حرمت prohibited علىكم on you امهاتكم mothers yours وبناتكم and daughters yours واخواتكم and sisters yours ...
 وان and that تجمعوا gathered yeh بىن between الاختىن the sisters two الا except ما what قد hence سلف passed

The above is applicable to all thus if they are not sisters then permissible (end case).
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: huruf on February 16, 2014, 06:43:35 AM
Tne environment condones male oligamy, particularly or almost always of people better off who can afford it. Therefore as they ayas came restricting that practice, like when people are told to marry the single, those who were already poligamous were not ordered to divorce any wives they had, at least not that I can recall from the Qur'an, and neither the prophet was ordered to forego any of his wives, but on the other hand he was told to stick to the ones he already had, not to take new ones and not to exchange those he had for any new one.

So nowhere there is a privilege for the Prophet but an obligation to keep those wives that want to continue with him and not divorce them nor change them.

Salaam
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: Noon waalqalami on February 16, 2014, 08:21:16 AM
Tne environment condones male oligamy, particularly or almost always of people better off who can afford it. Therefore as they ayas came restricting that practice, like when people are told to marry the single, those who were already poligamous were not ordered to divorce any wives they had, at least not that I can recall from the Qur'an, and neither the prophet was ordered to forego any of his wives, but on the other hand he was told to stick to the ones he already had, not to take new ones and not to exchange those he had for any new one.

So nowhere there is a privilege for the Prophet but an obligation to keep those wives that want to continue with him and not divorce them nor change them.

Salaam

Salaam huruf,

Yes those financially able can propose marriage to women without means; question if prohibited?
It?s like cousin marriage or any marriage, up to the individuals free to accept, decline, divorce, etc.
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: huruf on February 16, 2014, 12:14:37 PM
Anybody can propose marriage to anybody, what I was saying was in the environment where the Qur'an was revealed, as in many other environments, poligamy was common amonst the powerful classes, and therefore that if the Prophet became powerful it was to be expected that he would get proposed for alliances and so on.

Salaam
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: Firedragon on February 16, 2014, 10:25:33 PM
Hi

Could someone explain something about the verse quoted (Generally out of context) that promotes polygamy. Just one point for now.

Who said this verse refers to men only. What if the master who has orphans under their protection is a woman? Is the Quran promoting lesbian marriages?

?   O people, be aware of your Lord who has created you from one person and He created from it its mate and sent forth from it many men and many women; and be aware of God whom you ask about, and the relatives. God is Watcher over you.
?   And give the orphans (Alyatama) their money, and do not replace the good with the bad, and do not consume their money with your money; for truly this is a great sin!

Where does it say "Men"?
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: uma on February 17, 2014, 09:19:51 AM
Salaam All

The Quran definitely points out that the Messenger of Allah had more than one wife. And in the ayat about orphans it does not say marry off but marry. We cant add words from ourselves to the Quran.
Allah has made both men and women and he knows best how to make this system work.
Allah has put in a mans heart love for women(as mentioned in Quran) its just natural. Women don't feel the same urge for men as men do for women.
Also women have other physical conditions on them in which its difficult for a man to satisfy his sexual needs, so then he would start lusting over haram things. But in such a case Allah has allowed these men to take more than one wife so his needs are satisfied in a totally halaal way.
This is how Allah has made this system and he knows our needs better than us.
This is my opinion
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: diamantinehoneybunch on February 17, 2014, 11:41:32 PM
Salaam All

The Quran definitely points out that the Messenger of Allah had more than one wife. And in the ayat about orphans it does not say marry off but marry. We cant add words from ourselves to the Quran.
Allah has made both men and women and he knows best how to make this system work.
Allah has put in a mans heart love for women(as mentioned in Quran) its just natural. Women don't feel the same urge for men as men do for women.
Also women have other physical conditions on them in which its difficult for a man to satisfy his sexual needs, so then he would start lusting over haram things. But in such a case Allah has allowed these men to take more than one wife so his needs are satisfied in a totally halaal way.
This is how Allah has made this system and he knows our needs better than us.
This is my opinion

This is an INSULT to both men and women because you consider women as sexual objects and a man as a creature that is not satisfied by sex with one woman.

Whether it means to marry or marry off, look at the FIRST PHRASE in 4:3, "IF YOU FEAR THAT YOU CANNOT BE JUST TO ORPHANS", so it is only to help orphans.

Women are not sex objects and men should not insult themselves as wild animals that are hungry of sex.
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: huruf on February 18, 2014, 12:58:43 AM
Adding to diamantine, what you uma describe as men and women and their needs is purely imaginative. People, men or women are different. Neither all men are craving all the time neither all women never crave. And the Qur'an does not state what you state, rather than saying such a thing what it does command men and women is self control and command of the self. Men who who choose not to have any command over themselves, as diamantine says, choose to behave like beasts and not people. They cannot use women merely because they choose not to control themselves.

The Prophet never had any wives for that reason,  but rather to help his community, through helping widows or contracting alliances, but not as self serving sexual licence. The Qur'an does not condone such a thing and enjoys men and women to marry the single. So even if a man gave in to his beastly tendency, if he is married, no woman should accept him.

Salaam 
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: Earthdom on February 18, 2014, 06:06:17 AM
Peace

what I was saying was in the environment where the Qur'an was revealed, as in many other environments, poligamy was common amonst the powerful classes, and therefore that if the Prophet became powerful it was to be expected that he would get proposed for alliances and so on.

Which sources you used for this claim?
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: huruf on February 18, 2014, 07:41:36 AM
That poligamy is common amongst the powerful classes but not the others is something common to most societies where poligamy exists either legally or alegally. There is no reaso to supose something different for the prophet. That he did not do it for his own slefish sake comes from the description that the Qur'an gives of him

Salaam
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: Notexceling on February 18, 2014, 11:41:58 AM
The Prophet married an underaged girl but kept her a virgin.

[66.5] Maybe, his Lord, if he divorce you, will give him in your place wives better than you, submissive, faithful, obedient, penitent, adorers, fasters, widows and virgins.

Most people don't notice Aisha is addressed as a "virgin".

Most women try to get married as a virgin but they are addressed as a wife afterwards, not a virgin.

In this Surah we find a narration about Hafsah bint Umar and Aisha bint Abu Bakr. (Widow and virgin respectively).

The prophet was already married to Aisha when Hafsah became a widow. Yet Aisha is addressed as virgin.

He hadn't had sex with her yet.

The reason he did marry an underage girl is because in the Quran his sexual laws are different to ours.

He has a Freedom.....

33.50
.... the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

and importantly A RESTRICTION
33.52
It is not allowed to you to take women afterwards, nor that you should change them for other wives, though their beauty be pleasing to you, except what your right hand possesses and Allah is Watchful over all things.

I believe the Prophet married her and kept her a virgin till a decent age.
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: Notexceling on February 18, 2014, 11:43:23 AM
It only allows you to marry multiple wives if you cant look after an orphan.....
For me that means looking after an orphan is greater than looking after 4 women
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: Ali Nasser on February 18, 2014, 06:58:48 PM
@notexceling, apologies if this is too upfront, but that sounds like a load of horse sh*t. Her name isn't even mentioned in the Quran, and the prophet wouldn't marry a young girl to be a plan B f*uck buddy several years later.

Jesus Christ!!
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: Notexceling on February 19, 2014, 01:58:13 AM
Who is the "virgin" narrated in that story?
Please explain

Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: Ali Nasser on February 19, 2014, 03:49:59 AM
What relevance does it have? If god doesn't feel the need to mention it, why should we guess who it is?
Title: Re: Multiple wives.
Post by: uma on February 20, 2014, 11:36:44 AM
@ huruf

I was referring to 03:14


ُيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ حُبُّ الشَّهَوَاتِ مِنَ النِّسَاء وَالْبَنِينَ وَالْقَنَاطِيرِ الْمُقَنطَرَةِ مِنَ الذَّهَبِ وَالْفِضَّةِ وَالْخَيْلِ الْمُسَوَّمَةِ وَالأَنْعَامِ وَالْحَرْثِ ذَلِكَ مَتَاعُ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا وَاللّهُ عِندَهُ حُسْنُ الْمَآبِ 

Beautified for mankind is love of the joys (that come) from women and offspring; and stored-up heaps of gold and silver, and horses branded (with their mark), and cattle and land. That is comfort of the life of the world. Allah! With Him is a more excellent abode.