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GOD Alone Islamic Communities => Europe => Topic started by: truth.seeker.uk.1987 on January 07, 2014, 07:20:08 PM

Title: Quranists in the UK
Post by: truth.seeker.uk.1987 on January 07, 2014, 07:20:08 PM
Salaams everyone. I am interested in learning more about this movement and philosophy within Islam and was hoping to meet up with some people and attend some conferences and gatherings etc inshAllah and establish some contact with the community.

Is there anything available in Birmingham? If not Sheffield? If nothing in either of those, I guess London or whatever else may be available in the UK
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: sushi1992 on January 08, 2014, 06:48:31 PM
London?
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: aqua on January 08, 2014, 06:58:38 PM
I live in London but I don't think there are any conferences or events occurring.
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: es on January 08, 2014, 07:16:44 PM
Sheffield? You must be joking!
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: sushi1992 on January 09, 2014, 05:39:18 AM
I think it would have to be arranged in a private place somewhere.

Gotta be careful with these things.
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: aqua on January 09, 2014, 06:44:03 AM
I think it would have to be arranged in a private place somewhere.

Gotta be careful with these things.

Isn't it safer in a public place? Unless you know the person well enough.
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: sushi1992 on January 09, 2014, 01:49:27 PM
Isn't it safer in a public place? Unless you know the person well enough.

When I said private place I meant somewhere where we can discuss things without people disturbing us. Like a hall or something?
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: aqua on January 10, 2014, 01:29:24 PM
When I said private place I meant somewhere where we can discuss things without people disturbing us. Like a hall or something?

That sounds fine. 
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: aqua on January 10, 2014, 01:34:44 PM
If anyone wants to meet in London, I may be able to.  It's important to know the person first though so we're not meeting a total 'stranger'. 
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: sushi1992 on January 10, 2014, 03:24:17 PM
If anyone wants to meet in London, I may be able to.  It's important to know the person first though so that we're not meeting a total 'stranger'.

Obviously. I'm a black belt in karate so if anyone tries and abducts me they have another thing coming!
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: aqua on January 10, 2014, 05:24:32 PM
Salaams everyone. I am interested in learning more about this movement and philosophy within Islam and was hoping to meet up with some people and attend some conferences and gatherings etc inshAllah and establish some contact with the community.

I don't think 'Qur'an only' should be seen as a philosophy or movement, but if you want such gathering or meeting, we would need to arrange such things ourselves because Qur'an only people are far and few.  These conferences / gatherings don't exist.
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: aqua on January 11, 2014, 11:47:19 AM
Is there anyone else on here who may be able to meet in London?
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: Wakas on January 12, 2014, 05:36:24 AM
This is near London:
http://www.meco.org.uk

As far as I know, people there limit use of Traditional Hadith.
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: aqua on January 12, 2014, 07:41:16 AM
This is near London:
http://www.meco.org.uk

As far as I know, people there limit use of Traditional Hadith.

Thanks but part of their mission statement is this:

"MECO reaffirms the imperative for Ijtihad (analytical reasoning) in contemporary Islam to acquire new guidance and fresh inspiration from the transcendent Qur’an and the subordinate prophetic traditions (ahadith)."

If you notice in their logo, they have 'Muhammad' displayed alongside 'Allah', which is a blatant Sunni idol-worship.

I have a feeling that this group is not as progressive as they seem on the surface.
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: Wakas on January 13, 2014, 07:15:21 AM
On the contrary, I think you will find they are very progressive. Based on what I have read and know.


Here is another:
http://quran-institute.org.uk
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: aqua on January 13, 2014, 07:46:02 AM
On the contrary, I think you will find they are very progressive. Based on what I have read and know.

Here is another:
http://quran-institute.org.uk

Taken from their website: http://quran-institute.org.uk/institute.html (see the underlined parts):

Quote
We believe for instance that a constructive collaboration between a traditional scholar of the Quran with a historian well-versed in modern methodologies of historical research can offer a better and in the same time further authentic insight to the historical characteristics of the holy book. On the other hand forging genuine partnerships between traditional scholars of the Quran and modern legal experts can generate results of outstanding nature as regards to a new outlook to the legal jurisprudence of the Quran and its contemporary codification. The Institute hopes to achieve this by encouraging the scholars across the world to identify the areas of the Quranic investigation which may be in need of further development and elaboration.

A 'traditional scholar' is a a Sunni scholar who relies heavily on Hadith; if they are collaborating with such scholars, they can't be very progressive.  Unless you can show they mean something else?
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: Wakas on January 13, 2014, 09:51:44 AM
I know for a fact MECO are progressive. I recommend doing some research.

With regard to the 2nd link, the very fact they want to modernise traditional scholarship is enough for me to consider them a good avenue for approach, conference to meet people at etc.

Perhaps you are looking for a UK organisation that openly states their rejection of Traditional Hadith and the irrelevance of Traditional scholars. If so, good luck with that search.
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: aqua on January 13, 2014, 10:08:08 AM
Perhaps you are looking for a UK organisation that openly states their rejection of Traditional Hadith and the irrelevance of Traditional scholars. If so, good luck with that search.

I know that no such organisation exists, that's why I wasn't searching for one.  The groups you recommended are at best 'moderate / modern Sunnism', and as such should be approached with caution.
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: Wakas on January 14, 2014, 11:12:12 AM
The groups you recommended are at best 'moderate / modern Sunnism', and as such should be approached with caution.

That is one way of looking at it. Here is another way:

MECO organises conference with members of this forum, e.g. Edip Yuksel, Arnold Yasin:
http://www.19.org/994/islamic-reform-conference/
Quote
A conference was organized at Oxford University, U.K. from 11-13 June 2010 by Deen Research Foundation, Netherland in collaboration with Islamic Reform, USA and Muslim Educational Centre of Oxford in which more than 35 Islamic scholars from Europe, USA, Canada, South Africa, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, Bosnia, Turkey, U.K., Saudi Arabia, Syria, and other countries participated.

MECO hosts first UK mixed prayer congregation led by a woman:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/7676239.stm

Spearheads anti-burqa, anti-niqab campaigns, including public burqa burning:
http://www.meco.org.uk/campaigns/abni.htm
Aim: RESTORE QUR?ANIC ISLAM BY JETTISONING ?CULTURAL ISLAM?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLlu2LGX1TA

etc.


I'm not sure how active they are now etc but I think I've made my point.
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: aqua on January 14, 2014, 11:40:47 AM
Not to discredit their good works of-course. Just saying that we really are a rare kind out there with our views on Hadith / Qur'an.
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: diamantinehoneybunch on January 15, 2014, 02:25:48 AM
Labels are not really mportant but what they do matters the most, followed by their views.

Burqa-burning? LOL.

Anyways can anyone ask them? Do they believe that:
1. The majority of hell-dwellers are women?
2. Muslim men can divorce their wives immediately by instant divorce pronouncement?
3. Dogs are forbidden to be kept inside houses and people who touch wet dogs must wash with soiled water 7 times?
4. Men should beat women as last alternative?
5. Women must wear headscarves or they would be hung by their hair in hell?
6. Only women whom their husbands are pleased will go to heaven?
7. Apostates must be killed?
8. Stoning of adultery?
9. Reciting the Qur'an like mantras will get rewards from God?
10. Statues and pictures of animals are forbidden?
11. Shaking hands between male and female is forbidden?
12. Prophet Muhammad ascended to heaven and received 50 prayers daily instruction but after discussing with Prophet Moses, he met God again and negotiated with God to decrease the number of prayers to 5 times daily?
13. Second coming of Prophet Issa?
14. The coming of Mahdi?
15. 72 hot virgins in heaven for men who fought or strived in the cause of God?
Etc?

If they believe in these, sorry.

Sorry for intruding but sometimes I also think that we should not call or label ourselves with anything such as Quranists or Quran aloners. I hold the view that Quranism is just a TERM of the belief that hadith rules that are not in the Qur'an should not be the source of Fiqh, Quran [and other scriptures] are the only important things for believers, and hadiths are just invention made by some people and they falsely attributed the invention to islam. I do not consider Quranism as a name for a group or sect in islam. It is just a term. We are indeed non-denominational muslims or muslims without a particular sect.
Sometimes it is the label Quranist hat make people stay away from us because they have a mindset that we are deviants, anti-prophets, hadith rejectors. :'(

MECO may be good but do not be too quick to say "I am a Quranist", "I don't follow hadith" in front of them.
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: virtueorvice on January 15, 2014, 03:57:04 AM
Sorry for intruding but sometimes I also think that we should not call or label ourselves with anything such as Quranists or Quran aloners.

Those who believe in the Qur'an and follow its guidance are Muslims; the rest are just something else!

See what the Qur'an says:

2:132 This very legacy Abraham left  to his children, and so did Jacob, saying, ?O My children! Indeed, God has chosen for you the way of Life. Therefore, let not death overtake you except that you are Muslimoon (Submitters).?
 
[Deen = The Divinely Prescribed System of Life = Al-Islam. It has more to do with the collective life of humans and the science of sociology. It concerns itself with people living in this world collectively in peace according to a Code of permanent values that ensures success in both lives. Religion (Mazhab) is more of a generic term signifying a creed involving certain rites and rituals and seeking individual salvation. Islam being a Collective System of Life is, in fact, a challenge to religion]


3:52 (This is what the angels had told Mary. Then Jesus was commissioned to prophethood.) As he sensed their rejection, he called out, ?Who are my supporters towards God?? The disciples said, ?We are God?s supporters, we believe in God, so bear witness that we are submitters (Muslims).?


22:78 Strive hard in God?s cause, with all the striving that is due to Him. It is He Who has elected you to carry the message and has placed no hardship in religion, the Creed of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you ?Submitters? in the bygone days and now in this revelation - That the messenger may be a witness for you and you be witnesses for all mankind! (You shall be the watchers over people that no community oppresses the other.) So, establish the Divine System and set up the Just Economic Order, and hold fast unto God. He is your Lord Supreme, and how excellent is this Giver of support! [2:143, 2:288. Muslimeen = Muslims = Those who submit to God alone]

Those who submit to Bukhari, Tabari, Dawkins, Angelina Jolie, this Imam and that Imam and etc. and etc. are not MUSLIMS.
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: aqua on January 15, 2014, 07:12:45 AM
Quote from: diamantinehoneybunch link=topic=9606144.msg345959#msg345959
Sorry for intruding but sometimes I also think that we should not call or label ourselves with anything such as Quranists or Quran aloners. I hold the view that Quranism is just a TERM of the belief that hadith rules that are not in the Qur'an should not be the source of Fiqh, Quran [and other scriptures] are the only important things for believers, and hadiths are just invention made by some people and they falsely attributed the invention to islam. I do not consider Quranism as a name for a group or sect in islam. It is just a term. We are indeed non-denominational muslims or muslims without a particular sect.

I agree and in fact I find the term 'Quranist' quite offensive.  Whoever invented that term must have a twisted understanding of what it means to have Qur'anic views and they must be obsessed with labels.  A label is not sufficient to attribute to a person who simply wants to lead a righteous life for God; however descriptions are acceptable.  I think the word 'alone' also has connotations of a label.  If someone had to describe their beliefs, grammatically why would someone describe in a sentence, 'I follow the Qur'an alone', instead of saying more naturally in plain English: 'I follow the Qur'an only' as a more common way to express the description?  Again, 'Qur'an only' is not a label either, but only a description, or short-form description, to refer to our views or refer to people who have such views.   
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: aqua on January 15, 2014, 08:53:47 AM
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Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: Mikebloke on January 22, 2014, 04:34:39 PM
Not to discredit their good works of-course. Just saying that we really are a rare kind out there with our views on Hadith / Qur'an.

Maybe, or maybe not. I don't think there is a particular push for 'Quranists' to exert their agenda on anyone else. I honestly believe there is quite a number of people who don't value hadith above Quran, or otherwise reject hadith completely; but stick to their previous/parental denomination not so much out of fear (at least here in Europe) but out of convenience.

We don't harm anyone by having the views we have, and normally unless we express those views to people, Muslims or not, won't notice the difference anyway when it comes to everyday life.

That's not to say that an organisation based upon Quranic ideals wouldn't hold value, its just unlikely to form unless... guess who; we bother to form it ourselves. For that there would need to be a stated shared goal or ideal, and that is tricky in itself. Speaking in a UK sense, do UK Quranists suffer persecution? do they become loners with no friends? Are they politically active in the context of their beliefs? I don't think the answer to any of those is a yes, so there is little grounds for a formal organisation. That doesn't stop community groups like Free Minds existing and holding purpose though, its just a different kind of group.
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: Rachel84 on June 04, 2014, 04:56:58 AM
Regarding MECO, according to the account of the 2008 London conference written by Layth (can read about it here: http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600926.msg254055#msg254055) they were difficult and kind of trying to dominate it, as well as trying to include Muhammad's name and hadith traditions in several things. Don't think we can consider them a 'Quran-alone/Quranist' organisation or at least 'free-minded' people at all.
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: Man of Faith on June 04, 2014, 05:09:39 AM
Peace,

I think we have to fade down a bit on the terms "Quranist" or "Quran-alone". The right term ought to be God alone or non-mushriks. They may come across slightly more arrogant, but nonetheless truer. God alone 'Islam' (if you still want to cling unto that word despite not being of label of a particular faith) is the best term in my opinion. If you make any distinction whatsoever with Muhammad or Jesus or whoever you are a mushrik and not God alone.

God bless you
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: Rachel84 on June 04, 2014, 06:22:15 AM
Yes you are right. It should be 'God Alone' or Monotheists/Monotheism not 'Quran Alone'. If you are a 'Quranist' then the Quran becomes like an idol along with Muhammad, Jesus, Moses etc. >:(  And I still read and appreciate the wisdom in the Bible so I am not really 'Quran Alone' I guess.  :-[

Although if people ask my religion and I say 'Abrahamic Monotheist' people don't get it, they want something they can understand, they want a (recognisable) label. If I say I am 'religious' then it's assumed as Christian or Jewish which I don't want. :brickwall:  But then if I call myself a Muslim people here roll their eyes at me...which is probably fair, since that feels like a lie anyway.

I could try 'God-Alone Muslim' but that sounds strange. 'Progessive Muslim' identifies you with a certain group who I believe is based in London, who I don't necessarily associate with. With 'Quran-alone Muslim' at least then the real/sunni muslims know what you are about (i.e. not like them) and everyone else at least has an idea.

We should ask the God-Alone Christians and Jews etc how they do it...

 :sun:

Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: Man of Faith on June 04, 2014, 02:36:04 PM
Peace,

Say: "I have faith in God; the God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad and the rest, and I do not make any distinction between them and I am not bound to any sect but believe in God alone and the revealed decree."  Well, I know it is kind of long but you assign no label at all to yourself, and it sounds like an undistorted phrase from the recitation (Quran).

God bless you

Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: Rachel84 on June 07, 2014, 01:10:27 PM
Say: "I have faith in God; the God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad and the rest, and I do not make any distinction between them and I am not bound to any sect but believe in God alone and the revealed decree." 





Okay cool. Next time I am filling out a questionnaire then, like the Census or something I am gonna write in the section marked
What is your Religion?: "I have faith in God; the God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad and the rest, and I do not make any distinction between them and I am not bound to any sect but believe in God alone and the revealed decree."
Just hope it all fits!

 :sun:
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: Man of Faith on June 07, 2014, 01:22:16 PM



Okay cool. Next time I am filling out a questionnaire then, like the Census or something I am gonna write in the section marked
What is your Religion?: "I have faith in God; the God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad and the rest, and I do not make any distinction between them and I am not bound to any sect but believe in God alone and the revealed decree."
Just hope it all fits!

 :sun:

:rotfl:
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: lila on September 26, 2014, 04:36:16 AM
Hello , I dont know if this could be completely off-topic but Im visiting London next month and I would like to know some -or all!- of you, are you free 9-10th october? Lets meet up and talk about whatever you want!  :D

Salaam!
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: lila on October 07, 2014, 02:50:40 PM
Hello , I dont know if this could be completely off-topic but Im visiting London next month and I would like to know some -or all!- of you, are you free 9-10th october? Lets meet up and talk about whatever you want!  :D

Salaam!

  :pr 
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: imrankhawaja on July 20, 2016, 07:18:54 PM
anybody from birmingham?
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: ~Natasha~ on July 21, 2016, 02:33:24 PM
I have been a Quran only Muslim since 2008 but haven't been active on this board. I am interested in meeting up if we have a scheduled conference or get together in the UK. 

Does the Brexit have any implications for American inbound travelers?
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: imrankhawaja on July 21, 2016, 02:47:46 PM
I have been a Quran only Muslim since 2008 but haven't been active on this board. I am interested in meeting up if we have a scheduled conference or get together in the UK. 

Does the Brexit have any implications for American inbound travelers?

so you are in america right now..?

yeh i was also thinking there should be a conference or meeeting in uk but seems every body is so busy in their life

Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: ~Natasha~ on July 21, 2016, 02:53:12 PM
I think people would make schedule arrangements if its important to them. I know for me its a priority. I been around traditional muslims too long and it has been wearing down on my soul.

Yes I am in America. I hear majority of us are located in the UK though.
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: imrankhawaja on July 21, 2016, 03:05:38 PM
I think people would make schedule arrangements if its important to them. I know for me its a priority. I been around traditional muslims too long and it has been wearing down on my soul.

Yes I am in America. I hear majority of us are located in the UK though.

even when i was traditionalist , when i read first time quran interpretation i learn there are lot of things which are not a part of religion , we were inherited these things and i revised my thinking...

RED not really we are everywhere... people usually think all sunni shia ahlehadith arr traditional but there is a truth inside us always.. as soon we read quran with our own understanding God also guide us to the right path...

but i never encounter anybody from uk yet.. i dnt know
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: ~Natasha~ on July 21, 2016, 03:14:29 PM
 Truth is free from error.. God made us able to realize and recognize truth but I think you are right, a lot of people don't think for themselves and don't want the responsibility of thinking for themselves because they would then be held accountable. What they don't realize is that they will be held accountable regardless. Its easy to follow every rule and ritual when you don't think you have to be responsible for it.
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: imrankhawaja on July 21, 2016, 03:32:56 PM
Truth is free from error.. God made us able to realize and recognize truth but I think you are right, a lot of people don't think for themselves and don't want the responsibility of thinking for themselves because they would then be held accountable. What they don't realize is that they will be held accountable regardless. Its easy to follow every rule and ritual when you don't think you have to be responsible for it.

yeh exactly and some rules of death sentence of apostasy and these type of stuff backed by secondary sources keep some people to shut their mouth even after they realise the truth.. the right path is always hard to follow compare to wrong... devil is playing trick with us and most of the times we trap in his trick,, i believe allah is master controller of everything and patience and remembring  is the key to get problems solved by God. make sure God is true in his words he will definately test us all specially in the matters of faith ,, if we go back to history the first test of faith was imposed on the people who were very near to prophet at battle field...

so we should trust in God in any circumstances , i m just advising you becoz this path is not a bed of roses,, first you will have to sacrifice the frds and family with their views so be humble and talk with them politely ..

peace
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: ~Natasha~ on July 22, 2016, 07:51:34 AM
I totally agree.


Like Tim McGraw sings.. " Always stay humble and kind", you never know who you may lead to the straight path by your example.
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: imrankhawaja on July 22, 2016, 09:28:16 PM
I totally agree.


Like Tim McGraw sings.. " Always stay humble and kind", you never know who you may lead to the straight path by your example.

 :peace:
Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: bismajamil on May 11, 2019, 03:16:00 AM
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Title: Re: Quranists in the UK
Post by: Rilum on May 16, 2019, 12:56:44 AM
Salaams everyone.
Salaams truth.seeker.uk.1987.