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Title: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: muslims on January 03, 2014, 06:33:33 AM
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A. Terms and Conditions of the Agreement (Covenant)
(all references are from RK'S confirmation)

Facts: Verse 3.81 (http://submission.org/QI#3.81)  Function     Terms & Conditions
God took a covenant from the prophets, saying  The Covenant     Parties: Allah, Prophets & Followers
"I will give you the scripture and wisdom  The Consideration 
Afterwards, a messenger will come  The Conditions     Rashad Khalifa is the Messenger
to confirm all existing scriptures    - to confirm     To confirm facts
You shall believe in him    - to believe     Shall believe his confirmation
and support him."     - to support     Shall support his confirmation
He said, "Do you agree with this  The Offer     
and pledge to fulfill this covenant?"       
They said, "We agree."   The Acceptance     They agree and entered into an agreement
He said, "You have thus borne witness       
and I bear witness along with you"  The Witnessing     Allah's is their witness
       

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B. The Agreement

The acceptance of Rashad Khalifa's Messengership or supporting his cause

               is an agreement
               to "believe", and
               to "support"
               Khalifa's "confirmation"
               on facts of the Quran

This is how the agreement is entered by Khalifa and his followers, ie. through acceptance of his Messengership and/or supporting his cause, including through associating oneself or supporting Khalifa's cause (inconsistent with the Quran) through the United Submitters International, e.g. 3.28 (http://quran.com/3/28), 3.118 (http://quran.com/3/118), 6.150 (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605942.msg341560#msg341560), 4.139 (http://quran.com/4/139).

Otherwise, one will not be a Muslim for breaching their agreement (covenant).

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C. The Issue

Therefore the issue is what are the "confirmations" that the followers have agreed to "believe" and to "support" ?
Title: The Agreement: Satan is Allah's Representative and God on Earth
Post by: muslims on January 03, 2014, 06:36:17 AM

Satan is Allah's Representative and God on Earth

              Representative (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/representative): a person or thing that represents another or others
                                         Authorized to act as an official delegate or agent.

Khalifa's followers shall "believe" and "support" Khalifa's "confirmation"

that Satan is Allah's Representative and God on Earth.

This is their i'qtiqad (creed) and iman.

Denying this confirmation will amount to breach of agreement (covenant) and they will not be a Muslim. (3.86)

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Title: The Agreement: To Declare the Quran is FALSE
Post by: muslims on January 03, 2014, 07:00:55 AM

The Quran is FALSE

Khalifa's followers shall "believe" and "support" Khalifa's "confirmation" that the Quran is FALSE.

This is their i'qtiqad (creed) and iman.

They now have the new Quran, with lesser numbers in the ayats.

Denying this confirmation will amount to breach of agreement (covenant) and they will not be a Muslim. (3.86)

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Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: Earthdom on January 03, 2014, 07:20:55 AM
See Rashad Khalifa's explanation of 9;128-8.

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*9:1 & *9:127 This is the only sura that is not prefixed with the Basmalah.
This phenomenon has puzzled the students of the Quran for 14 centuries,
and many theories were advanced to explain it.

He said 14 centuries, this mean even Muhammad's sahabah, child , grandchilds get  puzzled for it   ;D

What Rashad's lack is he didn't understand if missing basmallah issues is about writing of the Mushaf, human writing.
Title: The Agreement: Islam Have Not Been Perfected For 14 Centuries
Post by: muslims on January 03, 2014, 07:22:09 AM

Islam have not been perfected for more than 1400 years

Khalifa's followers shall "believe" and "support" Khalifa's "confirmation"

That Islam have not been perfected nor protected for more than 1400 years (15.9)

Verse 5.3 and other equivalents verses are FALSE.

Islam have only been perfected after the Second Publication of "The Final Scripture" in 1989, ie. after the deletion of verses 9.128 and 129.

This is their i'qtiqad (creed) and iman.

Denying this confirmation will amount to breach of agreement (covenant) and they will not be a Muslim. (3.86)

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Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: muslims on January 03, 2014, 07:24:11 AM
He said 14 centuries, this mean even Muhammad's sahabah, child , grandchilds get  puzzled for it   ;D

That's right . . they have monopoly Islam and everyone is not Muslim, as confirmed by their Messenger.

They are the only minority Muslim on this planet.  :laugh:
Title: The Agreement: A Muslim is one who accept Khalifa as Messenger
Post by: muslims on January 03, 2014, 07:34:35 AM

A Muslim is strictly referring to those who submit to Khalifa as Messenger

Khalifa's followers shall "believe" and "support" Khalifa's "confirmation" that those who does not accept Khalifa as Messenger are non Muslims.

Everyone who reject Khalifa can never be a Muslim.

It is impossible  . . since there will be no message of Allah if one reject Allah's Messenger.

This is their i'qtiqad (creed) and iman.

Denying this confirmation will amount to breach of agreement (covenant) and they themselves will not be a Muslim. (3.86)

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Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: Zulf on January 03, 2014, 08:35:27 AM
Same old story.

Believe in my exact and fixed interpretation of MY holy scripture, or else you are not a member of my religion.
The irony is that it is also 100% true.

* If I don't think Jesus is God, then I don't believe in God. True! I don't believe in THAT god.
* If I don't believe in code 19, then I don't believe in the quran and is no submitter/muslim. True! I don't believe in THAT specific and fixed INTERPRETATION of the quran and THAT definition of muslim so naturally I'm not THAT kind of muslim.
* If I don't hold hadith as a necessary requirement of Islam, I'm no muslim. True! I'm not a muslim as per THAT definition.

But nobody can tell me what I am or what I'm not, unless of course they have the knowledge of God, which they must think they do.

It's all about definitions. And as usual, people are so ignorant that they think they know it all and have monopoly on truth and the understanding of truth. How patheticly ignorant and arrogant. How sad.

Peace
Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: Jafar on January 03, 2014, 09:32:37 AM
Same old story.

Believe in my exact and fixed interpretation of MY holy scripture, or else you are not a member of my religion.


That is the definition of a sect a.k.a religion (religion and sect is actually one of the same thing).
Especially the western religion, Islam, Christianity and Judaism.

It's ok, fine and dandy as long as they do not add:
"THE BLOOD OF THE NON <NAME OF RELIGION/SECT> ARE LEGITIMATE TO BE SHED".

The fans of RK and RK himself were heavily influenced by the western religion. (Islam, Christianity and Judaism)
As such they carried / inherit the above sectarian/religious mindset.



Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: Zulf on January 03, 2014, 12:45:11 PM
That is the definition of a sect a.k.a religion (religion and sect is actually one of the same thing).
Especially the western religion, Islam, Christianity and Judaism.

It's ok, fine and dandy as long as they do not add:
"THE BLOOD OF THE NON <NAME OF RELIGION/SECT> ARE LEGITIMATE TO BE SHED".

The fans of RK and RK himself were heavily influenced by the western religion. (Islam, Christianity and Judaism)
As such they carried / inherit the above sectarian/religious mindset.

I believe it is a symptom of the opposite of wisdom/insight/understanding. You could call it ignorance/arrogance.
When someone is unable to see (or try to see/imagine) things from other perspectives/angles/points of view.. to walk in someone else's shoes... then this is a sign of a hardened heart/blindness/disconnectedness. Insisting that one's own team is right, and other teams are wrong... is indeed the opposite of humility/humbleness.

Religion/Sects/Division/Separation is a direct result of spiritual blindness... living a lie. The creation is anything by divided. But people just guess, and insist they are definitely right. The inability to admit that one doesn't know much of what's going on, and that one may indeed have an incomplete, and sometimes plainly wrong, understanding of the important things in life, is to me mind boggling.

I never saw the submitters/19ers as so much of a sect.... but I guess the "sectness" is only growing stronger. Some people will go deeper into the sect, while others will move away. I too discovered the quran through code 19. Code 19 convinced me the quran must be from God. Later there was no need for a code any more for me to know about the unseen. Whether the code 19 is there or not is immaterial to me. It would be great if it was/is there, but I don't need it for anything. That code is not what determines my faith in God. I wonder about people who NEED the code in order to believe in God.

Anyway
Peace brother
Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: Man of Faith on January 03, 2014, 02:06:30 PM
Peace Zulf,

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I wonder about people who NEED the code in order to believe in God.

But then it becomes shirk right?  :hmm

God bless you
Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: Zulf on January 03, 2014, 04:07:08 PM
Peace Zulf,

But then it becomes shirk right?  :hmm

God bless you

I don't know what it becomes, shirk or not... but I cannot fathom how one's insight/connection/experience of the unseen and God, could ever depend on just one thing, for example a code... or even a book.

Ok, it may START somewhere small and limited... but then your vision should grow as you develop and purify. If you're stuck leaning on one specific crutch, then what sort of vision is that?

Peace
Title: The Agreement: Those rejecting Khalifa = Disbelievers = Evil = Satan's Kingdom
Post by: muslims on January 03, 2014, 08:47:47 PM
Those rejecting Khalifa are the Evil Ones and Disbelievers, belong to the Satan's Kingdom

There are only two Kingdoms, God's Kingdom and Satan's Kingdom. Khalifa's followers shall "believe" and "support" Khalifa's "confirmation" that those those rejecting Khalifa as Messenger are the evil ones and disbelievers. They belong to the Satan's Kingdom and serving Satan as God.

Therefore, those who rejects, does not believe and does not support Rashad Khalifa are the:

        (a) non Muslims (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606119.msg345098#msg345098)
        (b) disbelievers
        (c) evil ones
        (d) belong to the Satan's Kingdom
        (e) serving Satan as God

This is their i'qtiqad (creed) and iman.

Denying this confirmation will amount to breach of agreement (covenant) and one will never be able to be a Muslim. (3.86)

They are disobeying and deviating from the Messenger's teachings.

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Title: The Agreement: Mosques Belong to the Satan's Kingdom
Post by: muslims on January 03, 2014, 09:02:41 PM

Any Masjid that rejects Rashad Khalifa as Messenger shall belong to the Satan's Kingdom

There are only two Kingdoms, God's Kingdom and Satan's Kingdom.

Khalifa's followers shall "believe" and "support" Khalifa's "confirmation" that any Masjid that rejecting, does not believe, and does not support Khalifa as the Messenger (meaning all mosques) shall belong to the Satan's Kingdom, and therefore serving Satan as God. This includes the Masjidil Haram and Kaabah, and it is also equally that those who presence at those mosques are worshipping Satan as God.

This is their i'qtiqad (creed) and iman.

Denying this confirmation will amount to breach of agreement (covenant) and one will never be able to be a Muslim. (3.86)

They are disobeying and deviating from the Messenger's teachings.

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Title: The Agreement: Rashad Khalifa was the Last Messenger
Post by: muslims on January 03, 2014, 09:34:35 PM

Rashad Khalifa shall answer to God about the Quran, and therefore was the Last Messenger

Khalifa's followers shall "believe" and "support" Khalifa's "confirmation" that Khalifa will be the only Messenger to answer about the Quran in the Resurrection Day. It is not Muhammad's responsibility or any Messengers to answer about the Quran. All issues relating to the Quran belongs to Khalifa, and therefore . . Rashad Khalifa was the last Messenger and responsible for the Quran.

This is their i'qtiqad (creed) and iman.

Denying this confirmation will amount to breach of agreement (covenant) and one will never be able to be a Muslim. (3.86)

They are disobeying and deviating from the Messenger's teachings.

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Title: The Agreement: Rashad Khalifa is supreme than Muhammad and all Prophets
Post by: muslims on January 03, 2014, 10:05:29 PM
Rashad Khalifa is supreme than Muhammad and all Prophets

Khalifa's followers shall "believe" and "support" Khalifa's "confirmation" that Muhammad and all Prophets are subjected to Khalifa Messengership through their covenants. They are bound by this agreement, and equally . . Muslims, Christians, Jews and others are bound and shall be subjected to Rashad Khalifa. Muslims, Christians, Jews and others are bound "to believe" and "to support" Khalifa's "confirmation". Rejection of this obligation shall make one belong to the Satan's Kingdom, worshipping Satan as God.

This is their i'qtiqad (creed) and iman.

Denying this confirmation will amount to breach of agreement (covenant) and one will never be able to be a Muslim. (3.86)

They are disobeying and deviating from the Messenger's teachings.

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Title: Re: The Agreement: Rashad Khalifa is supreme than Muhammad and all Prophets
Post by: KDC501 on January 03, 2014, 10:17:00 PM
Rashad Khalifa is supreme than Muhammad and all Prophets

Khalifa's followers shall "believe" and "support" Khalifa's "confirmation" that Muhammad and all Prophets are subjected to Khalifa Messengership through their covenants. They are bound by this agreement, and equally . . Muslims, Christians, Jews and others are bound and shall be subjected to Rashad Khalifa. Muslims, Christians, Jews and others are bound "to believe" and "to support" Khalifa's "confirmation". Rejection of this obligation shall make one belong to the Satan's Kingdom, worshipping Satan as God.

This is their i'qtiqad (creed) and iman.

Denying this confirmation will amount to breach of agreement (covenant) and one will never be able to be a Muslim. (3.86)

They are disobeying and deviating from the Messenger's teachings.

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What sort of garbage are you posting on this forum??? I believe that RS was messenger and I do believe that the Quran has a code. But I WILL NOT BELIEVE that RS was the best messenger. Stop your idolizing of RS!!! It is a sick form of idol worship God clearly says in the Quran MAKE NO DISTINCTIONS AMONG THE MESSENGERS
 You are raising RS higher than all of the other messengers which is in direct conflict of the holy teachings of the Quran. RS is simply a messenger .

Peace,

Kevin
Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: muslims on January 03, 2014, 10:19:49 PM

I said . .

are subjected

That is the objective of the covenant, and

How can Muslims, Christians, Jews and others accept his Messengership if they are not subjected to the covenant to believe and support Khalifa's confirmation?

Acceptance and obedience to his teachings is the factor that determine whether one is worshipping Allah, or worshipping Satan.

Therefore he is supreme in relation to his message and responsibility, and all are subjected to his Messengership . . as the Last Messenger.

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Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: KDC501 on January 03, 2014, 10:28:02 PM
I said . .

That is the objective of the covenant, and how can Muslims accept his Messengership if they are not subjected to the covenant to believe and support Rashad Khalifa?

Therefore he is supreme and all are subjected to his Messengership . . as the Last Messenger.

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Does RS need our support?? Is he not dead?? Isn't what YOU are doing the exact same thing what hadithers do with Muhammad??
The Quran says follow Muhammad and listen to him. Hadithers use this to justify their adherence of the hadith and sunna when the Quran meant to listen and follow what the prophet said WHEN HE WAS ALIVE!!

 NOW YOU ARE SAYING WE SHOULD SUPPORT A DEAD MESSENGER. Can you not see the idol worship that you are doing??  Do you think Rashad's footnotes are perfect?? Didn't RS correct himself SEVERAL times when he was alive?? Was he not still LEARNING the Quran like us?? Why have you stopped your learning?? Can't you see that it was a clear test from God?? That God deliberately ended RS life to test the submitters to see whether or not they would continue there studies or blindly follow the writings of RS which he himself did not complete nor perfect???

Peace,
Kevin
Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: muslims on January 03, 2014, 10:31:01 PM

I see . . you are the blind follower . . .

and you don't even understand the meaning of the Messenger of "Covenant"

Please read and understand the "TERMS & CONDITIONS" of your agreement (covenant) in the first post. .

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606119.msg345090#msg345090

A. Terms and Conditions of the Agreement (Covenant)
(all references are from RK'S confirmation)

Facts: Verse 3.81 (http://submission.org/QI#3.81)  Function     Terms & Conditions
God took a covenant from the prophets, saying  The Covenant     Parties: Allah, Prophets & Followers
"I will give you the scripture and wisdom  The Consideration 
Afterwards, a messenger will come  The Conditions     Rashad Khalifa is the Messenger
to confirm all existing scriptures    - to confirm     To confirm facts
You shall believe in him    - to believe     Shall believe his confirmation
and support him."     - to support     Shall support his confirmation
He said, "Do you agree with this  The Offer     
and pledge to fulfill this covenant?"       
They said, "We agree."   The Acceptance     They agree and entered into an agreement
He said, "You have thus borne witness       
and I bear witness along with you"  The Witnessing     Allah's is their witness
       

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Contract/Agreement/Covenant = Offer + Acceptance + Consideration
Title: Re: The Agreement: Rashad Khalifa was the Last Messenger
Post by: KDC501 on January 03, 2014, 10:35:17 PM
Rashad Khalifa shall answer to God about the Quran, and therefore was the Last Messenger

Where does it say in the Quran that RS is the last Messenger?? You are merely guessing.
As the Quran says conjecture is not substitute for the truth. You are idol worshipping RS. You are saying things that you have no proof for.

Peace,

Kevin
Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: KDC501 on January 03, 2014, 10:39:55 PM
I see . . you are the blind followers . . .

and you don't even understand the meaning of the Messenger of "Covenant"

Please read and understand the "TERMS & CONDITIONS" of your agreement (covenant) in the first post. .

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606119.msg345090#msg345090

Facts: Verse 3.81 (http://submission.org/QI#3.81)  Function     Terms & Conditions
God took a covenant from the prophets, saying  The Covenant     Parties: Allah, Prophets & Followers
"I will give you the scripture and wisdom  The Consideration 
Afterwards, a messenger will come  The Conditions     Rashad Khalifa is the Messenger
to confirm all existing scriptures    - to confirm     To confirm facts
You shall believe in him    - to believe     Shall believe his confirmation
and support him."     - to support     Shall support his confirmation
He said, "Do you agree with this  The Offer     
and pledge to fulfill this covenant?"       
They said, "We agree."   The Acceptance     They agree and entered into an agreement
He said, "You have thus borne witness       
and I bear witness along with you"  The Witnessing     Allah's is their witness
       

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Contract/Agreement/Covenant = Offer + Acceptance + Consideration

I am not a blind follower. It is rather you are a blind idol worshiper. I know that RS was indeed a messenger. But I don't put him up on pedestal like a hadither does. This covenant was made by the prophets NOT YOU and not us. We are not the ones that were asked to support RS but it was the prophets through there scripture. You don't know what you are reading. You are committing idol worship and you don't even know.

Peace,

Kevin
Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: muslims on January 03, 2014, 10:41:55 PM

Then you should named Rashad Khalifa as the "MESSENGER OF NO COVENANT"  . . ie. fake messenger ! :laugh:

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Purpose of the Covenant . . .

They (Prophets) are bound by this agreement, and equally . . Muslims, Christians, Jews and others are bound and shall be subjected to Rashad Khalifa.

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I'm not going to repeat my answer relating to the source of his Messengership, read again.
Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: KDC501 on January 03, 2014, 10:49:39 PM
The you should name Rashad Khalifa as the "MESSENGER OF NO COVENANT"   :laugh:

The covenant was made by THE PROPHETS. Show me where does it say that the WE made a covenant??  Did you make make a covenant to support RS?? Did God appear to you in some vision and told you support RS?? Is it mentioned in the Quran that you should make a covenant??
Didn't Quran clearly show that it was the PROPHETS that made this covenant??

Stop wasting your precious time on RS footnotes. RS was STILL LEARNING the Quran. It is stupid and complete idol worship to believe that God made it SOOOOO easy and gave RS the correct interpretation for everything and every verse in the Quran. Stop being lazy and study.  Rashad was not like you and he would have told you what I am telling you now. Stop your idol worship and READ! I am NOT BEST MESSENGER and I AM NOT ALWAYS CORRECT.  Do not make distinctions among the messengers. He would have said that!

How many times did Rashad correct himself when he learnt something new?? Are you not doing the opposite of what Rashad would have done??

Peace,

Kevin
Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: muslims on January 03, 2014, 10:51:00 PM

Do you really expect the purpose of the covenant to make the dead Prophets bound and subjected to Khalifa's confirmations?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: KDC501 on January 03, 2014, 10:52:30 PM
Then you should named Rashad Khalifa as the "MESSENGER OF NO COVENANT"  . . ie. fake messenger ! :laugh:

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Purpose of the Covenant . . .

Do you really expect the purpose of the covenant to make the dead Prophets bound and subjected to Khalifa's confirmation?  :laugh:

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I'm not going to repeat my answer relating to the source of his Messengership, read again.

The covenant was made when EACH of the prophets were alive o_O Stop fooling yourself when you know the truth.
Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: muslims on January 03, 2014, 10:58:14 PM
If you want to believe the objective and purpose of the covenant is to make the DEAD PROPHETS bound, believe, support and subjected to Khalifa's confirmations . . . then I have no objection and it is your logic.  :laugh:

However, I have different opinion and believe the objective and purpose of the covenant is to make the Prophet's followers . . ie. followers of earlier revelations and the followers of the Quran to be bound by this Covenant . . ie. to accept, believe and support Khalifa Messengership and his confirmations.
Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: KDC501 on January 03, 2014, 11:03:19 PM
If you want to believe the objective and purpose of the covenant to make the dead Prophets bound and subjected to Khalifa's confirmation . . . then I have no objection and it is your logic.  :laugh:

However, my logic tells me that the objective and purpose of the covenant is to make the Prophet's followers . . ie. follower of earlier revelations and the followers of the Quran to be bound by this Covenant.

Show it to me where in the Quran that it says clearly that WE THE FOLLOWERS made a covenant. If you cannot show this to me then ask God for forgiveness and admit on this forum that you were wrong if you are indeed a godly person that fears God and do not say things that God never said
Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: muslims on January 03, 2014, 11:04:16 PM

It is pointless for me to repeat, read again my answer.


and.. .please prove to me how the DEAD PROPHETS can be bound, believe, support and be subjected to Khalifa's confirmations ?  :confused:
Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: KDC501 on January 03, 2014, 11:06:56 PM
It is pointless for me to repeat, read again my answer.

Show it to me again. I have read your post a thousand times and I have read the Quran many times. No where do I see that the we followers of GOD made a covenant.

You are lying. Admit your guilt and save yourself from sin. Stop being arrogant.
Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: muslims on January 03, 2014, 11:09:40 PM

The answer is here . . .

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606119.msg345169#msg345169

and you are start playing the repeat game (argument by repetition). .  it is pointless.

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         Therefore, RK is the messenger.

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and.. .please prove to me how the DEAD PROPHETS can be bound, believe, support and be subjected to Khalifa's confirmations ?  :confused:
Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: KDC501 on January 03, 2014, 11:15:12 PM
33:7 When We took from the prophets their covenant. From YOU, and from Noah, and Abraham, and Moses, and Jesus the son of Mary; We took from them a strong covenant.

Who is YOU??? Is this  not Muhammad? Doesn't this show that covenant was taken while they were still alive??? JUST LIKE I WAS SAYING ALL ALONG??

I have answered your questions many times. Just admit that you were wrong.
Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: muslims on January 03, 2014, 11:19:16 PM

So that is your proof that the DEAD PROPHETS are believing, supporting and be subjected to Khalifa's confirmations ?  :laugh:

No, it is not the proof that the DEAD PROPHETS are believing, supporting and be subjected to Khalifa's confirmations . .

They are dead, thousand years ago before Rashad Khalifa.

That's merely a proof for the covenant, not a proof for the "PERFORMANCE of the covenant" (refer here (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606119.msg345090#msg345090))

I'm asking proof for the "PERFORMANCE of the covenant"

          - to believe (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606119.msg345090#msg345090) Khalifa's confirmations by the Prophets
          - to support (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606119.msg345090#msg345090) Khalifa's confirmations by the Prophets

How the DEAD PROPHETS can be bound, believe, support and be subjected to Khalifa's confirmations ?
Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: KDC501 on January 03, 2014, 11:29:03 PM
So that is your prove that the DEAD PROPHETS are believing, supporting and be subjected to Khalifa's confirmations ?  :laugh:

No, it is not the prove that the DEAD PROPHETS are believing, supporting and be subjected to Khalifa's confirmations . .

They are dead, thousand years ago before Rashad Khalifa.

That's merely a prove for the covenant, not the "performance of the covenant"

I'm asking proof for the "performance of the covenant"

How?
The scripture that Muhammad delivered and the prophets of old is the performance like I told already. READ MY POSTS.


For example when Muhammad delivered the Quran and followed all the instructions of the compilation of it he fulfilled the covenant.
Without a Quran there is no Quran-code!


When the prophets finished there scriptures RS purified it ...simplified it into one consolidating message.

The prophets supported RS by simply doing there jobs as messengers.
Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: muslims on January 03, 2014, 11:33:08 PM

How can they perform  their covenants thousands of years before Rashad Khalifa was born, and when the subject matter of the covenant are asking them (1) to "support" and (2) to "believe" . .  (3) "Rashad Khalifa's  (4) confirmations", ie. specific person with specific objective. This is crazy !  :rotfl:

KEY POINT : "Rashad Khalifa's  confirmations" !

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606119.msg345090#msg345090

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I'm asking proof for the "PERFORMANCE of the covenant"

          - to believe (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606119.msg345090#msg345090) Khalifa's confirmations by the Prophets
          - to support (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606119.msg345090#msg345090) Khalifa's confirmations by the Prophets

How the DEAD PROPHETS can be bound, believe, support and be subjected to Khalifa's confirmations ?

Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: KDC501 on January 03, 2014, 11:42:16 PM
How can they perform thousand years before Rashad Khalifa was born, and when the covenant are asking them to "support" and to "believe" . .  "Rashad Khalifa's confirmations", ie. specific person. This is crazy !  :rotfl:

What is crazy is you expecting the prophets to be alive to support RS when they were already dead.
The prophets supported RS by doing their jobs.

If Muhammad had not compiled the Quran there would be NO CODE for RS to find to further prove the divinity of the scripture
If the prophets didn't write their scripture there would be no scripture to holistically show the consolidation of the message.

They supported a messenger that had not exist in there own time. What is crazy about that??

How is that different from God asking Muhammad to compile the Quran to support the believers during his time and hundreds of years in the future???

Brother it is you who needs to take the time to think.



Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: muslims on January 03, 2014, 11:44:34 PM

According to your Quran . . . Allah said "Rashad Khalifa's  confirmations" ! , i.e.

        - specific person
        - specific subject matter

Therefore, Rashad Khalifa must be existed before the performance of the contract can be fulfilled by the Prophets.

However, these Prophets have died thousands of years before Rashad Khalifa was born.

So . . . how the DEAD PROPHETS can believe and support Khalifa's confirmations ?

They are dead !
Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: KDC501 on January 03, 2014, 11:49:01 PM
According to your Quran . . . Allah said "Rashad Khalifa's  confirmations" !

        - specific person
        - specific subject matter

Therefore, Rashad Khalifa must be existed before the performance of the contract can be fulfilled by the Prophets.

However, these Prophets have died thousands of years before Rashad Khalifa was born.

I have already given you clear explanation . Believe what you want to believe. I only worry about the people on this forum that would blindly follow some of the nonsense that you have posted. For those who are reading study hard and read the Quran careful and use your logic.

Do no do what this member has done. He has made Rashad Khalifa his God .



Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: muslims on January 03, 2014, 11:51:52 PM

I found nothing clear from your explanation that the DEAD PROPHETS can believe and support the confirmation by specific person existed thousands of years in their future.

This is crazy and idolism !

The truth . . .

The actual translation is Allah take covenant "THROUGH" the Prophets . . . not "FROM" the Prophets

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606005.msg343427#msg343427


33:7 When We took from THROUGH the prophets their covenant. From YOU, and from Noah, and Abraham, and Moses, and Jesus the son of Mary; We took from them a strong covenant.

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and . . .

However, I have different opinion and believe the objective and purpose of the covenant is to make the Prophets' followers . . ie. followers of earlier revelations and the followers of the Quran to be bound by this Covenant . . ie. to accept, believe and support Khalifa Messengership and his confirmations.

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and . . . the performance of covenant

B. The Agreement

The acceptance of Rashad Khalifa's Messengership or supporting his cause

               is an agreement
               to "believe", and
               to "support"
               Khalifa's "confirmation"
               on facts of the Quran

This is how the agreement is entered by Khalifa and his followers, ie. through acceptance of his Messengership and/or supporting his cause, including through associating oneself or supporting Khalifa's cause (inconsistent with the Quran) through the United Submitters International, e.g. 3.28 (http://quran.com/3/28), 3.118 (http://quran.com/3/118), 6.150 (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605942.msg341560#msg341560), 4.139 (http://quran.com/4/139).

Otherwise, one will not be a Muslim for breaching their agreement (covenant).

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Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: KDC501 on January 04, 2014, 12:00:25 AM
I found nothing clear from your explanation that the DEAD PROPHETS can believe and support the confirmation by specific person existed thousands of years in their future.

This is crazy and idolism !

The truth . . .

The actual translation is Allah take covenant "THROUGH" the Prophets . . . not "FROM" the Prophets

and . . .

and . . . the performance of covenant

Blah Blah Blah yeah suuuuuuuuuuure it's crazy and idol worship mr.RashadKhalifa is the last messenger.

RS if he were alive today he would  be sooo pissed off right now about the state of the submitters.
Most of these submitters today are an embarrassment to Islam.
Title: Re: Terms & Conditions of The Covenant
Post by: muslims on January 04, 2014, 12:06:16 AM

Sure. another invention from the Arabs . . Code 19 and this fake messengership !   :rotfl:

              The Arabs (Rashad Khalifa) (http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Criticism_of_Rashad_Khalifa) are the worst in rejection and hypocrisy (9:97)


and no answer from the Submitters, because they are so afraid to answer and keep diverting from the real issue

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605248.msg344596#msg344596

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596759.msg343324#msg343324


Most of these submitters today are an embarrassment to Islam.

Yes I know, that has always been the Submitters' major conclusion or theme of the discussions . .  i.e. they are the only Muslims, very privilege people on Earth

I and everyone else on this planet are Satans, non Muslims, disbelievers and worshipping God of Satan

You belong to God's Kingdom . . and we belong to Satan's Kingdom

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Have you not seen those who speak very highly of their own purity even though they are committing shirk? (4.48/49)

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conclusion

What is crazy is you expecting the prophets to be alive to support RS when they were already dead.

That's what I'm saying . . therefore, Rashad Khalifa is a fake messenger !

Allah took covenant "THROUGH" the Prophets (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606119.msg345182#msg345182) . . . and not "FROM" the Prophets
Title: The Agreement: QuranS & Allah recites His revelations through Rashad Khalifa
Post by: muslims on January 04, 2014, 01:26:25 AM
There are Qurans and Allah recites His revelations through Rashad Khalifa

Revelations are God's words or messages. Therefore, Khalifa's followers shall "believe" and "support" Khalifa's "confirmation" that Khalifa received revelations from God. He was not learning but Allah "RECITE HIS REVELATIONS THROUGH" Khalifa. They must also believe that some of these revelations have mistakes and therefore it is not his mistakes. Secondly, Khalifa's followers shall "believe" and "support" Khalifa's "confirmation" that there are two revelations, one in Arabic and the second or final revelations is in the form of Digital Quran. Therefore the Submitters have two Qurans, Arabic and Digital Quran . . . or three Qurans, ie. the Arabic Quran, the Digital Quran, and The Translation (which can be further developed by non messenger) . . . or mmmm . . .  I don't know . . .  confused  :confused:


The 21st century Hadithers !

Quran is not completed how can be deserted?
114-42=72 more chapters is on the way.

This is their i'qtiqad (creed) and iman.

Denying this confirmation will amount to breach of agreement (covenant) and one will never be able to be a Muslim. (3.86)

They are disobeying and deviating from the Messenger's teachings.

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Title: The Agreement: Allah have failed to protect the Messenger of Covenant
Post by: muslims on January 04, 2014, 01:36:16 AM
Allah have failed to protect the Messenger of Covenant

Khalifa's followers shall "believe" that Allah have failed to protect The Messenger of Covenant since Khalifa was killed a year after declaring verses 9.128 and 9.129 are fabricated, ie. that the Quran is FALSE.

              _ _ _ : Anyone want to kill him ? For what ?

              Before migration . . . age > 25 years old

              1959 : Migrate to U.S.
              1968 : Start study the Code (9 years after migrating to the U.S.)
              1974 : He claimed that he had discovered a mathematical code (15 years after migrating to the U.S.)
              1989 : The Final Scripture - Second Publication, 21 years after . . -> verse 9.128 and 129 were deleted
              1989 : The Islamic Legal Council of Saudi Arabia issued Fatwa
              1990 : Assasinated

Timeline:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606106.msg344763#msg344763
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605966.msg341853#msg341853

This is their i'qtiqad (creed) and iman.

Denying this confirmation will amount to breach of agreement (covenant) and one will never be able to be a Muslim. (3.86)

They are disobeying and deviating from the Messenger's teachings.

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Title: The Agreement: The Hour will happen in 2280. You are safe for 266 years !
Post by: muslims on January 04, 2014, 03:09:01 AM
The Hour will happen in 2280. You are safe for 266 years !

Khalifa's followers shall "believe" and "support" Khalifa's "confirmation" that the end of this world will not come in the next 266 years. Gog and magog will be released in 2270 (http://submission.org/QI#18%3A94). They must also deny every verse relating to no one know about the Hour . . . or should figure out how to delete that verses.

Example of verses to be deleted:

           They ask you, about the Hour: when is its arrival?
           Say, "Its knowledge is only with my Lord
           None will reveal its time except Him
           (7.187 (http://quran.com/7/187))

           People ask you concerning the Hour
           Say," Knowledge of it is only with Allah
           And what may make you perceive?
           Perhaps the Hour is near."
           (33.63 (http://quran.com/33/63))

           He is the Knower of the future
           He does not reveal the future to anyone
           (72.36 (http://submission.org/QI#72%3A26))

This is their i'qtiqad (creed) and iman.

Denying this confirmation will amount to breach of agreement (covenant) and one will never be able to be a Muslim. (3.86)

They are disobeying and deviating from the Messenger's teachings.

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           Once they see what is awaiting them (the Hour)
           they will find out who is really weaker in power, and fewer in number
           Say, "I do not know if what is promised to you will happen soon
           or if my Lord will delay it for awhile"
           He is the Knower of the future
           He does not reveal the future to anyone <- no comment from Rashad  :laugh:

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Title: The Agreement: Cannot mention the name of the Prophets in Salat
Post by: muslims on January 04, 2014, 04:24:25 AM

Cannot mention the name of the Prophets in Salat

Khalifa's followers shall "believe" and "support" Khalifa's "confirmation" that they cannot mention the name of the Prophets in their Salat. Some example that the prohibition is equally apply may include the following verses:

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Abraham, 2:124-129, 2:130-132, 2:135, 2:136, 2:140, 2:258, 2:260, 3:65, 3:67-68, 3:84, 3:95, 3:97, 4:54-55, 4:125, 4:163, 6:74-83, 6:161, 9:70, 9:114, 11:69-76, 12:6, 12:38, 14:35, 15:51-56, 16:120, 16:123, 19:41-49, 19:58, 21:51-73, 22:26, 22:43, 22:78, 26:69, 29:16, 29:25, 29:31, 33:7, 37:83-109, 38:45, 42:13, 43:26, 51:24-34, 53:37, 57:26, 60:4-5, 87:19

Moses, 3:84, 6:84, 6:91, 7:103-162, 10:75-93, 11:96, 11:110, 14:5, 14:6, 14:8, 17:2, 17:101-104, 18:60-82, 19:51-53, 20:9-98, 21:48, 22:44, 23:45-49, 25:35, 26:10-66, 27:7-14, 28:3-43, 28:44, 28:48, 28:76, 29:39, 32:23, 33:7, 33:69, 37:114-120, 40:23-27, 40:53, 41:45, 42:13, 43:46-55, 44:17-36, 46:12, 46:30, 51:38-40, 53:36, 61:5, 79:14-25, 87:19

Noah, 3:33, 6:84, 7:59-64, 7:69, 9:70, 10:71, 11:25-33, 11:36-48, 11:89, 14:9, 17:3, 17:17, 19:58, 21:76, 22:42, 23:23-29, 25:37, 26:105-120, 29:14, 37:75-79, 38:12, 40:5, 40:31, 42:13, 50:12, 51:46, 53:52, 54:9, 57:26, 66:10

Jacob (Israel), 3:84, 4:163, 6:84, 6:85, 11:71, 12:38, 12:68, 19:6, 19:49-50, 19:58, 21:72

Jesus, 4:163, 9:30, 9:31, 10:68, 19:30-34, 21:91, 23:50, 33:7, 61:6, 61:14

Pharaoh, 7:104-137, 8:52, 8:54, 10:75-90, 11:97, 14:6, 20:24, 20:43, 20:56, 20:60, 20:78, 23:46, 26:10-66, 27:12, 28:3-42, 29:39, 38:12, 40:24-46, 43:46-85, 44:17, 44:31, 50:13, 51:38-40, 54:41-42, 66:11, 69:9, 73:15-16, 79:17-25, 85:18

Abu Lahab (Abd al-Uzza), 111:1-3

Bahirah, Saibah, Wasilah, Hami, 5.104

etc . . .

Accordingly, they cannot mention verses from the Quran in their Salat.

Those are violating God's commandments, including Khalifa himself.

This is their i'qtiqad (creed) and iman.

Denying this confirmation will amount to breach of agreement (covenant) and one will never be able to be a Muslim. (3.86)

They are disobeying and deviating from the Messenger's teachings.

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