Does the Quran authorize man made laws for issues not specifically mentioned in the Quran... Providing it is within the limits that God has set in the Quran.
[16:116] You shall not invent lies about God by attributing lies with your tongues, saying: "This is lawful and that is forbidden." Those who invent lies about God will not succeed.
[6:115] The word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice; there is no changing His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.
God makes it clear that his word is complete and there is no changing or adding to his laws. So what about the things not mentioned in Quran. For example, Quran doesn't mention what sexual positions to use, Quran doesn't mention masturbation, growing a beard, driving over the speed limit, etc. What about those things? Well if it ain't in Quran... It ain't important to your salvation. Peace!
Quote from: Aamer on February 14, 2013, 02:48:53 AM
[16:116] You shall not invent lies about God by attributing lies with your tongues, saying: "This is lawful and that is forbidden." Those who invent lies about God will not succeed.
[6:115] The word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice; there is no changing His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.
God makes it clear that his word is complete and there is no changing or adding to his laws. So what about the things not mentioned in Quran. For example, Quran doesn't mention what sexual positions to use, Quran doesn't mention masturbation, growing a beard, driving over the speed limit, etc. What about those things? Well if it ain't in Quran... It ain't important to your salvation. Peace!
I have to disagree with you using your last point as a basis. Driving over the speed limit is a reckless disregard for the safety of yourself and others. This is clearly against Quranic values, and yet is not stated explicitly within the Quran as such. I think if you're driving over the speed limit and commit vehicular manslaughter, it
is pertininent to your personal salavation in that you disobeyed a common sense law for no good reason and ended an innocent life as result. Masturbation and growing a beard don't have the potential to negatively effect others. For this reason, I think as long as the "man-made" law agrees with Quranic values it is important to your salvation and should not be considered a change or addition, just a logical application in keeping with the theme of "for all people, for all times".
Quote from: neb87 on February 14, 2013, 05:27:50 AM
I have to disagree with you using your last point as a basis. Driving over the speed limit is a reckless disregard for the safety of yourself and others. This is clearly against Quranic values, and yet is not stated explicitly within the Quran as such. I think if you're driving over the speed limit and commit vehicular manslaughter, it is pertininent to your personal salavation in that you disobeyed a common sense law for no good reason and ended an innocent life as result. Masturbation and growing a beard don't have the potential to negatively effect others. For this reason, I think as long as the "man-made" law agrees with Quranic values it is important to your salvation and should not be considered a change or addition, just a logical application in keeping with the theme of "for all people, for all times".
Cone to think of it, you're probably right. Can you think of any verses that would verify "Common sense" laws though?
I think the Qur'an is more about principles than about laws. If laws made by humans keep to quranic principles they should be al right, but what is wrong, absolutely always wrong is to put to the laws made by human de label of divine and say that it is ordered or prohibited by God. Human laws can be done and undone as we see fit. Not God laws. So what should not be admissible is to attribute to God what is not God's, which si why hadith is perfectly our of bounds when it is attempted to derive necessary laws from them.
Salaam
Quote from: Aamer on February 14, 2013, 06:24:15 AM
Cone to think of it, you're probably right. Can you think of any verses that would verify "Common sense" laws though?
Huruf's post is pretty much how I see it, too. The principle that human life is sacred is firmly established in the Quran. We're free to make any human laws that are based on honoring that principle, to protect human life from reckless disregard, as the need arises. For example, where I live the speed limit in a school zone is 15 mph, but the speed limit on the freeway is
no less than 40. Two completely opposite laws, but both are based on the principle of protecting life and are therefore both fine and dandy. The Quran didn't need to warn us of all possible scenarios where we'd need different laws because the foundations of principle are strong enough to ensure safety
and freedom from arbitrariness.
All of this is due to heavy influence from "Judaism", where they see everything written in the Torah as "God's Law".
There are lot of things which is not covered in the Quran (or Torah) some of them are:
- Law on Jungle/Forest preservation.. (as perhaps most Arabs & Jews never seen any jungle in their entire life)
- Law / regulation on River / Waterway preservation (What the heck is river??? We only have Wadi!)
- Law on the preservation of Polar bear natural habitat (Polar bear?? What the heck is that!)
etc.. etc..
Salam / Peace
Salam brother Jafar, what exactly do you mean by mentioning the lack of explanations on such topics?
Quote from: Fallen Angel 21098 on February 15, 2013, 07:27:29 AM
Salam brother Jafar, what exactly do you mean by mentioning the lack of explanations on such topics?
Quran was not meant to be a 'be all end all' human law to be issued and enforced by all human.
Salam / Peace
Quote from: Jafar on February 15, 2013, 03:59:19 PM
Quran was not meant to be a 'be all end all' human law to be issued and enforced by all human.
Salam / Peace
Oh, but then what is Quran?
Salamun Alayk
Quote from: Fallen Angel 21098 on February 16, 2013, 01:36:07 AM
Oh, but then what is Quran?
Salamun Alayk
Read the beginning of chapter 2..
Thus to clearly answer your question, no the Quran cannot authorize and or de-authorize man authored regulation or law.
Since Quran is a dead matter.
The quality of regulation or law should be discussed and debated by human for further refining or update and it shall be authorized or de-authorized by the consensus of people who are affected by the law. (Country/State/District population)
Example:
Polar bear population is in danger to be extinct -> We need to issue regulation / law to guard Polar Bear's natural habitat
-- few years later --
Polar bear now has become extinct -> Cancel the Law on Polar Bear Natural Reservation it's not required anymore, and the law has failed it's objective.
Salam / Peace
Quote from: Jafar on February 16, 2013, 02:21:52 AM
Read the beginning of chapter 2..
Thus to clearly answer your question, no the Quran cannot authorize and or de-authorize man authored regulation or law.
Since Quran is a dead matter.
The quality of regulation or law should be discussed and debated by human for further refining or update and it shall be authorized or de-authorized by the consensus of people who are affected by the law. (Country/State/District population)
Example:
Polar bear population is in danger to be extinct -> We need to issue regulation / law to guard Polar Bear's natural habitat
-- few years later --
Polar bear now has become extinct -> Cancel the Law on Polar Bear Natural Reservation it's not required anymore, and the law has failed it's objective.
Salam / Peace
Hmm, thanks.
You can not change or add to Gods laws (religious law). I can't give a fatwa legalizing idol worship and banning charity. I can't add a law making it mandatory for women to cover their faces and add lobsters to the list of unlawful food. This we are not authorized to do. But we can have societal laws within the limits. Example, speed limits, gun laws, etc. It's common sense but there are verses in Quran to back this up. I'll find them later.
Quote from: Aamer on February 16, 2013, 07:29:40 PM
You can not change or add to Gods laws (religious law). I can't give a fatwa legalizing idol worship and banning charity. I can't add a law making it mandatory for women to cover their faces and add lobsters to the list of unlawful food. This we are not authorized to do. But we can have societal laws within the limits. Example, speed limits, gun laws, etc. It's common sense but there are verses in Quran to back this up. I'll find them later.
The religious / religion law is FAKE.
You (or any other people) certainly CAN give opinion / set law LEGALIZING idol worship (to yourselves as the idol), banning charity (to somebody outside your religion/sect/gangs) , female genital mutilation, hands mutilation, graft and corruption (especially to yourselves or your own gangs) and murder to those who does not share your opinion and dare to oppose your authority.
The True God's Law does not need any help from human for enforcement.
The True God's Law never fails and forcefully binding.
The True God's Law are often being referred by human as "the law of nature".
Salam / Peace
Jafar,
Be clear when you say that religious law is fake. What do you mean and what are your sources? It's clear that God has laid out laws for us in Quran. We are clearly told what is unlawful and what is lawful. Of the things not mentioned, we can decide by mutual consultation.
[42:38] And those who have responded to their Lord, and they hold the bond, and their affairs are conducted by mutual consultation among themselves, and from Our provisions to them they give.
[16:116] And do not say, as to what your tongues falsely describe: "This is lawful and that is unlawful;" that you seek to invent lies about God. Those who invent lies about God will not succeed.
Salam brother Aamer, I believe what brother Jafar is saying is that we as humans have a free will to do what we want. Based on that, we have the capability to make up our own laws, and implement them as well. As far as God's Law is concerned, in its true sense it refers to the Laws of Nature, the laws of cause and affect, the laws of chemistry, the laws of physics, the laws of matter etc. As far as the Quran is concerned, that is a guidance, admonition, clear speech, and remembrance to those who want to pay heed, and be cautious of God, those who believe, and those want to strive for good. Based upon that, people can use the Quran as a source for guidance and make laws accordingly. But that does not mean that other laws outside of Quran cannot be made, simply because we humans have the will to do that. Or at least that is what I understood from his posts ;D
Quote from: Aamer on February 14, 2013, 02:48:53 AM
[16:116] You shall not invent lies about God by attributing lies with your tongues, saying: "This is lawful and that is forbidden." Those who invent lies about God will not succeed.
Keyboard:
about God.
Jafar, are you an anarchist? Because God never sanctioned government confiscation of wealth to pay for state services. Nor did He say anything about bestiality.
Quote from: NS on February 18, 2013, 02:55:07 AM
Jafar, are you an anarchist? Because God never sanctioned government confiscation of wealth to pay for state services. Nor did He say anything about bestiality.
So ???????
It doesn't mean that we should not make a regulation about it??
I can add to your list, the polar bear law (which I've mentioned above), the river flow conservation law, nuclear power law etc.. etc..
Fallen Angel, really summed up very well.
RELIGION is fake, thus as consequences RELIGIOUS LAW is fake, meanings is not GOD'S LAW.
GOD'S LAW doesn't need any help of human for enforcement.
It's GOD'S LAW that human CAN murder one another.
It's GOD'S LAW that human shall earn what they deserve (Law of return a.k.a Karmic Law)
Thus God RECOMMEND for human to NOT murder one another, if the human are wishing for a good life.
Based on the above principle, a society can enforce a law / regulation to avoid the widespread of murder and killing.
The way society design and enforce such law might be different..
Thus the quality of how such law really effective might be varied as well..
And it should be continuously discussed, agreed, refined and changed in order for the law to be effective.
Nonetheless a murderer shall 'earn what he deserves' regardless of human regulation / law, this is due to GOD'S LAW.
Example:
A society might enforce "Criminal Law" limited to "Within his/her own group".
"Thou shall not murder,rape, rob any the member of your tribe/religion/state/country"
"However you are allowed to murder,rape, rob those who are not member of your own tribe/religion/state/country".
Another example:
"Muslim shall not murder another Muslim" which implies "Muslim can murder an infidel".
or
"Jews shall not murder another Jew" which implies "Jews can murder a non Jew"
The society are free to enforce such (unjust/ridiculous) law, and claim that such law is "God's Law".
But certainly they will 'earn what they deserves'... and cannot escape the GOD'S LAW of Karma/Return as it is always in effect.
Thus it's a falsehood for a human to claim that 'his law' is God's law and avoid critics or debates and enforce his opinion upon others..
Every human's law should be discussed and agreed upon before being enforced in the society.
And it should have a clear objective and reasoning to be widely accepted and agreed by the society.
The quality of law within specific society can be analyzed by 'how well' such society is progressing..
Salam / Peace
Peace brother Jafar,
Glad to hear that I summed your understanding up very well, its a relief to hear that I didn't attribute any lie to anyone by mistake. I would like to add to your understanding, regarding the falsity of 'Religious Law', by simply giving the example of so many sects and "Islamic" rules that have passed and still exist. Each "Islamic" scholar, or to be precise, each Mufti who passes a law by his own understanding of Quran and other sources, and wants the government to implement it, says that what his opinion is, is the opinion of God and religion. This perception is completely false, because it is not God's Law which he wants to implement, but his OWN UNDERSTANDING of WHAT HE BELIEVES IS SENT BY GOD which he wants to impose. A good example of this is the apostasy law, the Quran says that no soul shall be killed except for another soul, or for spreading corruption in the land, now people say that this 'corruption in the land' refers to becoming an apostate, or propagating unislamic beliefs, hence, what they say is BASED UPON THEIR OWN UNDERSTANDING OF GOD'S WORDS, but they present it as if this IS what God says, and give it a label of 'Religious Law'.
There is no such thing as religious government, or religious law, why? Because what may be religious law to person A, may not be necessarily religious to person B. Because what one person views, or a group of people view, as religious law is more or less his/their own understanding of religion. A worldly example of this is the sentence: "I like him" written on a piece of paper.
Now Person A may read it as I like him, and say that the author means 'I do, maybe you don't!'
Person B may read it as I like him, and say that the author means 'I only like him, nothing more, nothing less'
Person C may read it as I like him, and say that the author means 'Only he is who I like, I don't like anyone else'
Now all three of these persons believe what they think is right, and will go on propagating their understanding of the author's words as the author's intention. But this is where the mistake lies.
Then the question arises, how to devise the proper understanding? How to be sure we are correct? The thing is, there are many verses like 5:48 that show that humans are bound to have disputes, but then we have verses that focus on mutual consents and following the best of the saying, and then like you said, we have the Natural Laws of God, the Karmic Law etc. and even in the Quran we see God promising certain things as a result of others, hence, according to MY understanding, we should refer to the Quran as a source of guidance, and according to circumstances, discuss, and work hard to ensure that using His guidance, we devise the understanding that is most suitable to our conditions at the moment. Looking at the results of our efforts, it can be determined whether what we are doing is good or bad. What do you think?
Quote from: Jafar on February 19, 2013, 11:33:30 AM
So ???????
It doesn't mean that we should not make a regulation about it??
I can add to your list, the polar bear law (which I've mentioned above), the river flow conservation law, nuclear power law etc.. etc..
Fallen Angel, really summed up very well.
RELIGION is fake, thus as consequences RELIGIOUS LAW is fake, meanings is not GOD'S LAW.
GOD'S LAW doesn't need any help of human for enforcement.
POLITICS is fake, thus as consequences POLITICAL LAW is fake, as it's not GOD'S LAW.
I never disputed that murder should be kept illegal. But we have thousands of laws and regulations not sanctioned by the Qur'an.
Quote from: NS on February 19, 2013, 12:17:16 PM
POLITICS is fake, thus as consequences POLITICAL LAW is fake, as it's not GOD'S LAW.
Of course POLITICAL LAW is NOT GOD'S LAW..
Yet that doesn't necessarily mean that it's all bad or evil as well..
Quote
I never disputed that murder should be kept illegal. But we have thousands of laws and regulations not sanctioned by the Qur'an.
But we cannot that all of those regulations are ALL BAD or EVIL.
Some might be good some might be bad some might be half-good, third quarter good etc...
Every law should be judged case by case.
And refine (or abolish)or create a new one if it's not good or met it's objective or doesn't have any clear objective or sometime the objective itself is bad / evil.
Salam / Peace
Quote from: Fallen Angel 21098 on February 19, 2013, 12:14:50 PM
Then the question arises, how to devise the proper understanding? How to be sure we are correct? The thing is, there are many verses like 5:48 that show that humans are bound to have disputes, but then we have verses that focus on mutual consents and following the best of the saying, and then like you said, we have the Natural Laws of God, the Karmic Law etc. and even in the Quran we see God promising certain things as a result of others, hence, according to MY understanding, we should refer to the Quran as a source of guidance, and according to circumstances, discuss, and work hard to ensure that using His guidance, we devise the understanding that is most suitable to our conditions at the moment. Looking at the results of our efforts, it can be determined whether what we are doing is good or bad. What do you think?
Yes I agree..
And furthermore law should be made to provide "JUSTICE" and JUSTICE is for ALL.
Another basic principle which lay the foundation of JUSTICE is Empathy.
Empathy is the capability to see what other people see or to put your shoe in somebody else's shoe.
Slavery.. is it Just?
What if you're the slave?? How would you like to be treated?
Whipping women... is it just?
What if you're a woman? How would you like to be treated?
Robbing rich people / foreigner / people outside your group is it just?
What if you're a rich people / foreigner / people outside your group? How would you like to be treated?
Massacre and burn the entire village of your enemy after you won the war is it just?
What if you're 'your enemy'? How would you like to be treated?
etc.. etc.. etc..
Salam / Peace
Quote from: Jafar on February 19, 2013, 12:51:00 PM
Yes I agree..
And furthermore law should be made to provide "JUSTICE" and JUSTICE is for ALL.
Another basic principle which lay the foundation of JUSTICE is Empathy.
Empathy is the capability to see what other people see or to put your shoe in somebody else's shoe.
Slavery.. is it Just?
What if you're the slave?? How would you like to be treated?
Whipping women... is it just?
What if you're a woman? How would you like to be treated?
Robbing rich people / foreigner / people outside your group is it just?
What if you're a rich people / foreigner / people outside your group? How would you like to be treated?
Massacre and burn the entire village of your enemy after you won the war is it just?
What if you're 'your enemy'? How would you like to be treated?
etc.. etc.. etc..
Salam / Peace
Salam,
Exactly, it's good to see that we are able to understand each other, discussing such topics through text alone and then being able to comprehend what the other guy has written is a miracle on its own.
Quote from: Jafar on February 19, 2013, 12:41:26 PM
Of course POLITICAL LAW is NOT GOD'S LAW..
Yet that doesn't necessarily mean that it's all bad or evil as well..
Then stop using that argument against religion.
Quote from: NS on February 22, 2013, 05:42:06 PM
Then stop using that argument against religion.
Why should I ??
RELIGION IS NOT FROM GOD, RELIGION IS HUMAN MADE.
SOME HUMAN CLAIM THAT THEIR RELIGION IS FROM GOD
WHICH IS FAKE / FALSE AS IT IS ACTUALLY HUMAN MADE.
Are you a fan of specific religion??
Quote from: Ahmd on February 13, 2013, 04:18:07 PM
Does the Quran authorize man made laws for issues not specifically mentioned in the Quran...
Man does not have Two masters only one (ALLAH)
God does not give every detail of laws to a society, indeed the scripture infuses
justice into the soul of it's adherants (guidance) so much so that laws should be a
reflection of universal order and peace. God equips us with the ongoing message thru
revelation enabling us to instill his laws that are good for society. The problem comes
when we or others are allowed to disobey God, enforce rulings that have
nothing to do with God's laws, and put forth an agenda not based on justice.
Jaywalking, or crossing the street at an unsafe location can be harmful to citizens,
therefore there is a law against jaywalking.
Fighting, or assaulting folks is bad for society because people can become injured
or killed, hence laws against assault.
Someone said beastiality, number one, that is not of sound mind, secondly disease
This is the "spirit" of law, to protect, guarantee rights and to maintain civility.
God has not authorized oppression, but many countries engage in this awful
practice for personal gain. Stoning, vengence, greed, lust, lies, murder etc.,
are not in conformance with peace and justice and are a violation of God's laws.
[16:90] GOD advocates justice, charity, and regarding the relatives. And He forbids evil,
vice, and transgression. He enlightens you, that you may take heed.
O0
Quote from: Jafar on February 22, 2013, 06:21:02 PM
Why should I ??
RELIGION IS NOT FROM GOD, RELIGION IS HUMAN MADE.
SOME HUMAN CLAIM THAT THEIR RELIGION IS FROM GOD
WHICH IS FAKE / FALSE AS IT IS ACTUALLY HUMAN MADE.
Let's review the logic here:
Religion is invalid because it doesn't come from god. Every doctrine that doesn't come from God is invalid. Politics doesn't come from God, but that doesn't mean it's invalid! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
The circumstances is if your country is multireligion like in Bosnia & Herzegovina, you cannot force Serbs in there to follow Quranic law.
If you forced them then you will know what will happened to that country.
Quote from: NS on February 25, 2013, 06:06:51 PM
Let's review the logic here:
Religion is invalid because it doesn't come from god. Every doctrine that doesn't come from God is invalid. Politics doesn't come from God, but that doesn't mean it's invalid! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
People of specific religion CLAIMED his/her religion come from God
Such CLAIM is invalid..
Religion is a noun, saying religion is invalid is indeed ilogical, it's the same as saying rocks are invalid or tree are invalid.
However.
Saying Rocks made up of water is indeed an invalid claim / statement
Quote from: Earthdom on February 26, 2013, 09:46:45 AM
The circumstances is if your country is multireligion like in Bosnia & Herzegovina, you cannot force Serbs in there to follow Quranic law.
If you forced them then you will know what will happened to that country.
Of course you cannot FORCE any people to follow any law. And it's recommended to not do as such.
However you can persuade people to AGREE on enforcing specific law.
To persuade them, you need to have good and clear argument on the objective and the practicality and the reason on why such law is needed.
Peace
I have not read the entire thread, but I can say that the Quran isn't just some rule book with a law for everything. So, of course we can devise our own laws. If He had given us a law for everything, then what's the point in giving us any intellect?
Quote from: NS on February 25, 2013, 06:06:51 PM
Let's review the logic here:
Religion is invalid because it doesn't come from god. Every doctrine that doesn't come from God is invalid. Politics doesn't come from God, but that doesn't mean it's invalid! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
The thing Jafar pointed out was that some people claim that religious law is from God, while it isn't. Like Jafar already clarified, is that it is this very claim that is invalid. Nobody claimed politics, or rather laws stemming from political decisions, are from God. Such laws can be either good or bad, and political laws are the only laws possible, in the sense that it is we humans who make them up to give structure to society. What Jafar calls God's laws are the laws that are "built in" into reality... like you'll get what you deserve. You will be subject to them whether you believe in them or not, knowingly or unknowingly, sooner or later. If there are directives, recommendations, prohibitions in the quran, we can then choose to make political laws out of them, if agreed upon in society, because they will help us increase positive things in society like justice, care, prosperity, safety, security, peace. It is however up to us. The difference, as I understood it, is that political laws can enforced by people in the situations they apply to, while all humans of all times will be subject to God's laws, no matter what, with total justice and fairness.
So the main problem is when people run around declaring their own opinions as God's laws, and forcing it on others, creating havoc, misery and corruption in the land. This is what is invalid.
Peace
Quote from: Zulf on March 01, 2013, 05:48:36 AM
The thing Jafar pointed out was that some people claim that religious law is from God, while it isn't. Like Jafar already clarified, is that it is this very claim that is invalid. Nobody claimed politics, or rather laws stemming from political decisions, are from God. Such laws can be either good or bad, and political laws are the only laws possible, in the sense that it is we humans who make them up to give structure to society. What Jafar calls God's laws are the laws that are "built in" into reality... like you'll get what you deserve. You will be subject to them whether you believe in them or not, knowingly or unknowingly, sooner or later. If there are directives, recommendations, prohibitions in the quran, we can then choose to make political laws out of them, if agreed upon in society, because they will help us increase positive things in society like justice, care, prosperity, safety, security, peace. It is however up to us. The difference, as I understood it, is that political laws can enforced by people in the situations they apply to, while all humans of all times will be subject to God's laws, no matter what, with total justice and fairness.
So the main problem is when people run around declaring their own opinions as God's laws, and forcing it on others, creating havoc, misery and corruption in the land. This is what is invalid.
Peace
Beautiful Summary
Salam,
Islam is not a religion, and
Allah gave unconditional freedom to the human way of life (deen) on the standard of justly balanced, ie.
The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut [...] (http://quran.com/2/256). Therefore, the Qur'an confirms man made laws that are justly balanced to humanity. The Qur'an also confirms all religious books and any books that are justly balanced to the human way of life (deen). For a Muslim, he sees no difference between the God and man made laws. He is not concern with religious issues and sectarianism (issues concerned by the mushreekeen or idolators - 3:67-68 (http://quran.com/3/67-68)), but concerned with what is justly balanced to the humanity, according to the standard in the Qur'an.
Quote from: muslims on September 10, 2013, 07:25:46 AM
And before it was the scripture of Moses to lead
and as a mercy
And this is a confirming Book <- What is a confirming book? Its functions/implications?
in an Arabic tongue
to warn those who have wronged
and as good tidings to the doers of good
(46:12 (http://quran.com/46/12))
And We have revealed to you
the Book in truth
confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture
and as a criterion over it <- How do these "Criterion Systems" works? Reject them all together?
So judge between them by what Allah has revealed <- Allah says "judge", evaluate, not rejects.
and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth
To each of you We prescribed a law and a method <- Other rules are also from Allah? Good? Bad?
Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation <- Allah refers to "nation"
but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you <- What is the test from Allah? Rejection?
so race to [all that is] good <- Allah considers there is good from another book or sect etc.?
To Allah is your return all together
and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ <- Who'll inform? You?
(5:48 (http://quran.com/5/48)) What is our mission?
Interesting topic...
I recommend everyone discussing this or finding it difficult to understand the concepts of what is man made law and what is divine law.
www.servantking.info
And please take some time to watch the "the perfect swindle" and "confusion" videos on the site can be found at the bottom of the home page. There are 9 in total but its definatley worth as i think the guy Marcus has a done a fantastic job to uncover some truths about all this.
I personally used to think that adhering to man made laws in countries like UK, USA Europe is the right thing to do as it seems on face value to be a good system which is made by the people for the people (lol yeah right!).
Man can make laws which are in light of Gods guidance but that cannot make laws and govern civilians based on lies and deciet which is what all democracies in the world are doing so they are sitting on the straight path becasue on face value it seems "good" to have such laws.
Please research this more.
Peace
Affy
p.s - I think i get what Jafar means by Religion is man made and evil. Check out the word religion and where it comes from. You will be shocked of its root meaning. God is all inclusive so no "members only clubs" are endorsed by him. There are only 2 camps as far as i can see. Truth and Lies.
Zulf - still as impressed with your comments as always! :-*