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Title: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on December 01, 2012, 11:35:03 PM
Peace everyone,

I would like to present a groundbreaking Arabic book entitled "Peacemaking from the Quran" demonstrates the meaning of peacemaking (islam) as well as concepts such as "salat", "masjid", "hagg", "ramadan", etc. The book is based in part on many of the valuable discusssions that took place right here on the Free-minds forum.

The complete book can now be downloaded from the following site:

www.quran4peace.org

I have also started working on an English version. I will let everyone know once it is completed.

Peace and best wishes,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Wilson on December 02, 2012, 02:46:56 AM
Peace.

May the god reward you for all your efforts.

I've already read it twice, except for the last chapter which wasn't uploaded yet. I like it very much. Each and every chapter surprised me, although I'm fairly familiar with your work. Just flat-out amazing!

Me personally I like the structure of the book and the order of chapters, but I don't know if that is the best way to go. I like the first two chapters and it's very easy to agree with them, even for sectarians; they do explain the "what" and "why" sufficiently. But the following chapters will be too much of a shock for most people I believe, that they won't even finish reading the book. Even though it's hard to disagree with, anything actually. So I think you took a "risk" with putting the last chapter last and not as one of the first chapters.

I already gave a copy of the first 6 chapters to an Iraqi woman and she was excited about the first two chapters and she told me the author is absolutely right. When I saw her the next day she read the third chapter, and let's say she wasn't that excited anymore. And I get the impression that, if it wasn't for me, she'd never finish reading the book.

The format is perfect for me. So I guess for someone who already rejects the ahadith this won't be an issue. I see you sort of combined "How did it come to this Part II" and "Know Thy Enemy" in the last chapter. I just skimmed through it, and now I'm actually going to read it.

جزاك اللهُ خيراً

Abdelilah
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: es on December 02, 2012, 05:08:17 AM
Okey dokey.  I look forward to reading this at some stage.
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Released on December 02, 2012, 06:33:02 AM
Peace Ayman,

I am looking forward to reading the English version.
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: inquisitivetrini on December 02, 2012, 10:20:41 AM
Peace Ayman,

Is there an English version for this book? I would be extremely grateful!


Peace and blessings.  :yay:
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Karimah on December 02, 2012, 01:52:52 PM
When there is an english version please let us know...
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: sushi1992 on December 02, 2012, 02:26:41 PM
Peace Ayman,

Look forward to the English version of your book. May Allah bless you with happiness and goodness for your selflessness to provide such a valuable book :).

:peace:
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Wakas on December 03, 2012, 03:07:35 PM
salaam all,

You can read some of its content here, in English:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604467.msg310311#msg310311

It may be re-worded in the book however.

Bro Ayman, I hope you get time from your schedule to answer the following (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604467.0).
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: sushi1992 on December 03, 2012, 05:51:14 PM
salaam all,

You can read some of its content here, in English:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604467.msg310311#msg310311

It may be re-worded in the book however.

Bro Ayman, I hope you get time from your schedule to answer the following (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604467.0).

Thanks for the link Wakas, missed some of those topics out in my research. Thanks for reminding me of them again :)
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: zeljko67 on December 10, 2012, 12:34:19 AM
Salaam Ayman,

I am "patiently" waiting for the English version. Thank you.

Salaam
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: someoneoutthere on December 10, 2012, 01:07:41 AM
I'll be reading this in English isA when it comes out...
In the meantime I shall snail read my way through a couple chapters.

Thank you Ayman
 
Peace
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: one-9-one on December 10, 2012, 02:54:57 AM
Peace everyone,

I would like to present a groundbreaking Arabic book entitled "Peacemaking from the Quran" demonstrates the meaning of peacemaking (islam) as well as concepts such as "salat", "masjid", "hagg", "ramadan", etc. The book is based in part on many of the valuable discusssions that took place right here on the Free-minds forum.

The complete book can now be downloaded from the following site:

www.quran4peace.org

I have also started working on an English version. I will let everyone know once it is completed.

Peace and best wishes,

Ayman

Hi Ayman

When do you think your English version will be available? Your book sounds like an interesting read.
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on December 12, 2012, 12:47:48 PM
Peace brother Abdelilah,

May the god reward you for all your efforts.
I've already read it twice, except for the last chapter which wasn't uploaded yet. I like it very much. Each and every chapter surprised me, although I'm fairly familiar with your work. Just flat-out amazing!
Me personally I like the structure of the book and the order of chapters, but I don't know if that is the best way to go. I like the first two chapters and it's very easy to agree with them, even for sectarians; they do explain the "what" and "why" sufficiently. But the following chapters will be too much of a shock for most people I believe, that they won't even finish reading the book. Even though it's hard to disagree with, anything actually. So I think you took a "risk" with putting the last chapter last and not as one of the first chapters.
I already gave a copy of the first 6 chapters to an Iraqi woman and she was excited about the first two chapters and she told me the author is absolutely right. When I saw her the next day she read the third chapter, and let's say she wasn't that excited anymore. And I get the impression that, if it wasn't for me, she'd never finish reading the book.
The format is perfect for me. So I guess for someone who already rejects the ahadith this won't be an issue. I see you sort of combined "How did it come to this Part II" and "Know Thy Enemy" in the last chapter. I just skimmed through it, and now I'm actually going to read it.
جزاك اللهُ خيراً

You are spot on with all your comments.

I agree that the 3rd chapter may be shocking to most people, even those who already reject Hadiths. This is because most people believe that the "method" of "salat" is more important than its purpose. This is deeply rooted in the ritualistic culture that is ingrained in the sectarians? mindset even after they abolish Hadiths. I actually don't believe that the method is important and this is why I focus on the purpose instead. If someone's present method allows them to accomplish the purpose of remembering the god and correctly obeying him then I don't have any problem with it. Each person deep inside knows what reminds them of the god:

أَلَمْ تَرَ أَنَّ اللَّهَ يُسَبِّحُ لَهُ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَالطَّيْرُ صَافَّاتٍ كُلٌّ قَدْ عَلِمَ صَلَاتَهُ وَتَسْبِيحَهُ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ بِمَا يَفْعَلُونَ


This ritualistic culture is probably the main reason why the so-called Islamic world has fallen behind in terms of development. The problem with ritual-based Islamic culture is that its rituals serve what is known in psychology as Compartmentalization. This is an unconscious psychological mechanism used to avoid the mental discomfort and anxiety caused by a person having conflicting values, cognitions, emotions, beliefs, etc. within themselves. Compartmentalization allows these conflicting ideas to co-exist by inhibiting direct or explicit acknowledgement and interaction between separate compartmentalized self states. Therefore, you find many social ills in these societies such as low work ethic and dishonesty despite them being religiously ultra conservative. Therefore it is common in places such as Egypt, for example, to find even hardcore criminals performing the rituals and then going back to doing their crimes. Of course for those who still cling to Hadiths, the Compartmentalization is maximized. For example, I know this guy in Egypt who used to take a long road to the local Mosque next door to him because apparently there is a Hadith that says you get more points with each step. He even used to count the number of steps he walked to the Mosque! After a while, people who are deeply absorbed into this ritualistic culture, lose touch with both reason and conscious.

The order of chapters is such because ?salat? (learning connection) introduces the concept of ?sujud? (obedience) and ?masjid? (institution of obedience). I am open to any suggestions on a better flow. I am interested in all your feedback and particularly your feedback on the last chapter that you hadn?t read yet as of writing your comments.

As for everyone asking about the English version, I am working on it but I am getting sidetracked every now and then by the political upheaval going on in Egypt. Such unprecedented upheaval against the so-called Islamists indicates that the time may be coming for a reformist religious revolution. If this happens in Egypt, the Arab spring may very well turn into the sectarian Islamists fall.

Peace and best wishes,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: theNabster on December 18, 2012, 02:37:03 PM
Salam warahamah Bro Ayman...

so this is what you were up to with your long silence, lol!

I am interested on your takes which can be taboo challenging... which can be a good thing...

still the area of contention remains the existence of Jinns as physical entities... lol!
doesn't matter to me if you have budged on this or not... just saying... ;)

Salam

Nabil
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on December 27, 2012, 09:12:25 AM
Salam dear brother Nabil,

so this is what you were up to with your long silence, lol!
I am interested on your takes which can be taboo challenging... which can be a good thing...
still the area of contention remains the existence of Jinns as physical entities... lol!
doesn't matter to me if you have budged on this or not... just saying... ;)

I am very interested in your feedback on the book.

As for the "jinn", I hope that the book will make it clear how they connect in the big picture. I hope that in Arabic the arguments based on the great reading will be more convincing.

Peace and best wishes,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Someone on December 28, 2012, 01:43:52 PM
Peace Ayman,

I have just finished reading your book, and I have to thank you for your efforts in compiling all that information in a simple and accessible format for everyone.

As for the content, I don't see any problems up to now.

Thank you again brother  :peace:
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: sushi1992 on December 28, 2012, 04:11:35 PM
Salam dear brother Nabil,

I am very interested in your feedback on the book.

As for the "jinn", I hope that the book will make it clear how they connect in the big picture. I hope that in Arabic the arguments based on the great reading will be more convincing.

Peace and best wishes,

Ayman

Peace ayman,

Hope you are well :). I was curious as to how the English version was coming along :). I'm still plodding along with learning certain parts of the quran and studying hard.

May God continue to bless you for your efforts :)

:peace:
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on December 28, 2012, 10:50:50 PM
Peace everyone,

The book is now available on estore, Amazon, and Amazon Europe:

http://www.createspace.com/4106236

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1481813870/

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1481813870/

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2drfibs.jpg)
 
Thanks everyone for your excellent help, encouragement and support to bring this project to light. I am working on the English version and I will be done soon, unless the god wills otherwise.

Peace,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: farida on December 29, 2012, 02:22:10 AM
Peace everyone,

The book is now available on estore, Amazon, and Amazon Europe:
....
Thanks everyone for your excellent help, encouragement and support to bring this project to light.
Peace,

Ayman
Peace Ayman
By confirming that you received help towards this project from members here you have given them rights to claim royality from this book  ;)
All the best
Salaam
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Mazhar on December 29, 2012, 02:26:10 AM
Peace everyone,

The book is now available on estore, Amazon, and Amazon Europe:

http://www.createspace.com/4106236

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1481813870/

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1481813870/

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2drfibs.jpg)
 
Thanks everyone for your excellent help, encouragement and support to bring this project to light. I am working on the English version and I will be done soon, unless the god wills otherwise.

Peace,

Ayman

The caption denotes "Islam as derived from Qur'aan". If Min is replaced by Fee, perhaps it will be better because then it will denote, "Islam as is prescribed-defined-explained within Qur'aan".
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on January 01, 2013, 01:38:43 PM
The caption denotes "Islam as derived from Qur'aan". If Min is replaced by Fee, perhaps it will be better because then it will denote, "Islam as is prescribed-defined-explained within Qur'aan".

Thank you for your suggestion. I think that either titles are fine. From the point of view of people on this forum who already know that the term "islam/peacemaking" in the great reading is different than what Sunnis believe such as "it is built on five pillars", etc. then the title with Fee or Min would be fine. However, from the point of view of people who are not familiar with the difference, the title with Fee will not give the impression that it is presenting something different to what they already know from other sources. On the other hand, using Min indicates that the meaning is derived from the great reading and not from other sources. This is an idea that it is novel to them and therefore the book would immediately strike them as presenting something new that they are not familar with.

I would be interested in other comments you and other people here who know Arabic may have relating to the actual content and not just the title.

Peace,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Mazhar on January 01, 2013, 02:01:43 PM
Thanks. "derived from Qur'aan" connotes subjective understanding as is the case with who are termed Sunnis. "Islam within the Qur'aan" is the true Islam.

And Islam within the Qur'aan is just that what the Verbal Noun Islam signifies. The day people understand what it signifies they will realize that it encompases even actions like rightly parking the car and leaving the wash room in a state that it does not create uneasiness for next visitor.
 
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Wilson on January 12, 2013, 06:35:09 AM
Peace Dr. Ayman,

I take my words back. There's nothing wrong with the order of chapters. It's the perfect ending. I'm just amazed that you were able to contain that much information in so few pages and explain such difficult and complex issues in easy to understand words.

This book has the perfect ingredients to go viral.

Abdelilah
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Zulf on January 12, 2013, 08:01:23 AM
I too am looking forward to the English version... with great anticipation.

For those that are easily shocked, meaning they have invested alot of identity in their current beliefs, one can make a sort of "disclaimer" chapter/paragraph in the beginning that would make people more prone to start or keep reading.

Just some examples and thoughts:

* Asking rhetorical question whether or not the reader thinks he/she knows all, for sure, and that there is no possibility that there is something they don't know, and that they consequently think they have the knowledge of Allah. Can they swear in front of Allah that their particular set of beliefs is correct and final, and if not then why not give the full book a chance, they can always reject it when having read the last page.

* Asking whether Allah is wrong in pointing out that the forefathers just might have been mistaken in some or many of their beliefs.

* Pointing out that one does not have to agree with everything you read, but you can still read it form information sake, perhaps there is some small bit to learn.

* Stating that if the reader fears ideas that don't agree to their current ideas, or that they have no wish to read about anything that they already do not know or about something that doesn't agree with what they already believe, then they should NOT read the book. The book is not for fearful people who are afraid to even read about unorthodox ideas. (Ego might now make them read it)

You get the point.
Perhaps some sort of introduction could be made in the spirit of this.... unless you already have, that is.

Peace!
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on January 14, 2013, 08:00:56 PM
Peace Zulf,

I too am looking forward to the English version... with great anticipation.
For those that are easily shocked, meaning they have invested alot of identity in their current beliefs, one can make a sort of "disclaimer" chapter/paragraph in the beginning that would make people more prone to start or keep reading.

I agree that at the beginning there needs to be a sort of introduction to prepare people for what is coming. I have seen the reaction of several people who read it and for some it was like their entire world was shaken. Here is the first paragraph, which is followed by a couple of simple clear examples that no one can argue with.

"This book deals with learning about the concept of ?islam? from the Quran. It is important to make this clear from the beginning because this book addresses the reader who is interested in studying the concept of ?islam? in the Quran. It is important to make a distinction because many people may think that they already know all there is to know about the Quran and the concept of islam. Therefore some brief examples will be provided to quickly prove that the vast majority of people, and even so-called Islamic scholars, do not know about the Quran as much as they think."

Peace,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on January 14, 2013, 08:20:26 PM
Peace brother Abdelilah,

I take my words back. There's nothing wrong with the order of chapters. It's the perfect ending. I'm just amazed that you were able to contain that much information in so few pages and explain such difficult and complex issues in easy to understand words.
This book has the perfect ingredients to go viral.

This is exactly the idea. Keep it simple and easily accessible. Also, focus on the so-called "pillars" because if we show that even those basic tenets have been grossly distorted and we can demonstrate how the truth in the great reading is vastly different to the traditional practices then we do not even need to waste any time in endless arguments about traditions. If something as big as "hagg"/feast has been so much distorted and turned into a pagan ritual then small potatoes such as Bukahri Hadiths and Ibn Hisham Sira are already destroyed.

I would greatly appreciate your help and everyone's help in sharing ideas on how to spread the word about the book.

Peace and best regards,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Wilson on January 15, 2013, 03:44:14 PM
Peace Dr. Ayman

I would greatly appreciate your help and everyone's help in sharing ideas on how to spread the word about the book.

I received 10 copies last week and I'm planning to give them away to anyone that is interested. But I don't think that's your idea of spreading the word.  :)

I'd make a video trailer (5-15min) highlighting the pagan origins of the circus going on in Mecca. Lots of images of goddesses, sunrises, half-naked people, circumambulations, cubes, stones, obelisks, footprints, flowers, vulvas, etc. Use voice-over to explain the pagan origins step by step, or simply read from the last pages of chapter 4. Explicitly mention the book as source in the video.
Upload to YouTube.
::)

Maybe tryingtofindtruth (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604893.0) is interested or someone with experience in video editing.


Abdelilah
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on January 15, 2013, 07:06:57 PM
Peace brother Abdelilah,

I received 10 copies last week and I'm planning to give them away to anyone that is interested. But I don't think that's your idea of spreading the word.  :)

Thank you for your excellent help. Every word through any channel can help if the god willed. Many people prefer a hard copy in their hands to an electronic one but of course it is easier to distribute electronically.

I'd make a video trailer (5-15min) highlighting the pagan origins of the circus going on in Mecca. Lots of images of goddesses, sunrises, half-naked people, circumambulations, cubes, stones, obelisks, footprints, flowers, vulvas, etc. Use voice-over to explain the pagan origins step by step, or simply read from the last pages of chapter 4. Explicitly mention the book as source in the video.
Upload to YouTube.
::)
Maybe tryingtofindtruth (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604893.0) is interested or someone with experience in video editing.

The video is a good idea. I will try to find someone who can help create it since this is not my skill. It would help if they have read the book and can express the contents creatively. Not sure of Tryingtofindtruth has read it.

Peace and best regards,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: hope4 on January 16, 2013, 04:17:22 PM
Ever thought of approaching a main stream TV channel? They might be interested if they are doing a documentary.

Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Bigmo on January 16, 2013, 07:59:23 PM
Thank you for your suggestion. I think that either titles are fine. From the point of view of people on this forum who already know that the term "islam/peacemaking" in the great reading is different than what Sunnis believe such as "it is built on five pillars", etc. then the title with Fee or Min would be fine. However, from the point of view of people who are not familiar with the difference, the title with Fee will not give the impression that it is presenting something different to what they already know from other sources. On the other hand, using Min indicates that the meaning is derived from the great reading and not from other sources. This is an idea that it is novel to them and therefore the book would immediately strike them as presenting something new that they are not familar with.

I would be interested in other comments you and other people here who know Arabic may have relating to the actual content and not just the title.

Peace,

Ayman

I will give my opinion even though I have yet to read it. But i can tell it may have to do with the rituals like salat etc.

I think you should approach this subject with other Quranist understanding in your mind and not just how you interpret it. Many Quranist perform rituals like Sunnis do. So this must be explained clearly. With the other way to pray outlined as an alternative. The more alternative the better. I say this because I have noticed here in the forum that many Quranist have a hard time seperating themselves from the Quranist movement meaning they seem to only accept their way rather than look for the common denominator. Its the Quranist community, and not individuals, who determine what the Quran says. I think this is a very good start but we must not make the same mistake other Quranist did by only highlighting their personal interpretation without exoplaining the various interpretation other Quranist have.

The question is this book about the Quranist movement or is it about Ayman?

Also I believe it wrong to ask people here what they think without first presenting this to mostly Sunni audiences. Thats my beliefe depending on what your target audience is.
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Wilson on January 20, 2013, 09:48:56 AM
***** A MUST-READ for anyone who holds the Quran in high regard!

"Islam from the Quran" is a thought-provoking book that examines the widely accepted "five pillars" of
Islam in light of the Quran.

It starts off with some clear and actual examples demonstrating the level of ignorance about the
Quran, especially by its self-proclaimed most ardent followers. After this brief introduction it takes you
by the hand while examining the word "islam" itself, and you feel like an elementary school kid when it
reveals through the simplest and clearest approach its true meaning.

The following chapters are an in-depth analysis of "salaat", "masjid", "hajj" and "ramadan" as found in
the Quran and unveil some mind-boggling revelations. The last chapter feels like the last puzzle piece
when it discusses the "jinn" and makes you understand, somehow appreciate, how everything fits in
the big scheme of things.

The book ends on a practical note and lays down a strategy from the Quran on how to seek and stay
on the straight path. It explains "zakaat" and invites everyone to reflect on the verses of the Quran. It
aspires to re-open the door of "ijtihad", and will hopefully be the first real attempt to succeed, unless
the god wills otherwise.

http://www.amazon.com/Quran-Peace-Arabic-Ayman-Mohamed/ (http://www.amazon.com/Quran-Peace-Arabic-Ayman-Mohamed/dp/1481813870/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1358699633&sr=1-1)
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on January 27, 2013, 09:33:06 PM
Peace Bigmo,

I will give my opinion even though I have yet to read it. But i can tell it may have to do with the rituals like salat etc.
I think you should approach this subject with other Quranist understanding in your mind and not just how you interpret it. Many Quranist perform rituals like Sunnis do. So this must be explained clearly. With the other way to pray outlined as an alternative. The more alternative the better. I say this because I have noticed here in the forum that many Quranist have a hard time seperating themselves from the Quranist movement meaning they seem to only accept their way rather than look for the common denominator. Its the Quranist community, and not individuals, who determine what the Quran says. I think this is a very good start but we must not make the same mistake other Quranist did by only highlighting their personal interpretation without exoplaining the various interpretation other Quranist have.
The question is this book about the Quranist movement or is it about Ayman?
Also I believe it wrong to ask people here what they think without first presenting this to mostly Sunni audiences. Thats my beliefe depending on what your target audience is.

I hope that by now you had a chance to read the book and saw the fact that it is not about Quranists at all. It is about the quran.

Peace,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: salgan on January 28, 2013, 02:01:58 AM
Peace Br Ayman


When will the English version of the book be available,it's a shame the majority of us use English as our primary language of communication on this forum.

Peace Salim
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Wilson on January 28, 2013, 04:02:30 PM
Peace.

When will the English version of the book be available,it's a shame the majority of us use English as our primary language of communication on this forum.


> "After the revolutions in Egypt and the other Arab countries, I felt that the book is more needed at this point in Arabic to advance the cause of peacemaking ("islam")."
> "I am also working on an English version. The English version shouldn't take a whole lot of time since I already have most of the info in English."
> "I have also started working on an English version. I will let everyone know once it is completed."
> "Thanks everyone for your excellent help, encouragement and support to bring this project to light. I am working on the English version and I will be done soon, unless the god wills otherwise."


Patience, my friend.  :)
 :peace:
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on March 10, 2013, 06:12:24 PM
  • "I always thought this was going to be in English . Congratulations on completing the book though."
  • "Can you kindly translate those articles for us non arabic speakers.We too need that knowledge.Thanks."
  • "Okey dokey.  I look forward to reading this at some stage."
  • "I am looking forward to reading the English version."
  • "Is there an English version for this book? I would be extremely grateful!"
  • "When there is an english version please let us know..."
  • "Look forward to the English version of your book."
  • "You can read some of its content here, in English: http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604467.msg310311#msg310311 It may be re-worded in the book however."
  • "I am "patiently" waiting for the English version. Thank you."
  • "I'll be reading this in English isA when it comes out... In the meantime I shall snail read my way through a couple chapters."
  • "When do you think your English version will be available? Your book sounds like an interesting read."
  • "I was curious as to how the English version was coming along."
  • "I too am looking forward to the English version... with great anticipation."

Peace everyone and thank you for your patience.

I have uploaded the first 2 chapters of the book in English to the English version of the site:

http://www.quran4peace.org/en_index.html

I would greatly appreciate all feedback. Unless the god wills otherwise, I will be uploading the remaining chapters one by one over the next few weeks.

Peace and best regards,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Timur on March 11, 2013, 03:06:54 PM
Peace brother Ayman.

Thank you so much for the first two chapters!
I will give you some feedback within the next few days unless the god wills otherwise.
Keep up your excellent work :)

Peace be with you.
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Timur on March 11, 2013, 03:55:30 PM
Peace Ayman.

I have just finished reading both chapters and I absolutely love them. They comprise a very complete and clear analysis. Thank you, brother :)

I can offer you two tiny remarks:

On page four of the first part there is the following sentence:

Quote
This is evident by the fact that in Arabic all words with the definite article have the initial letter Alif (A) deleted when pre-posed with the Arabic ?li? (for) preposition, as se can see, for example, in the passage immediately following the previous passage:

The bolded part is probably a typo, isn't it? I am no native speaker but "se" is not an english word as far as I know. Please correct me if I am wrong.

My second remark concerns your spelling of the word سلم as "Salaam" implying that it is written with an Alif in the great reading. In fact this is not the case. Please verify yourself.

I know these are only minor issues but I hope they are useful nonetheless.

Peace be with you.

Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on March 11, 2013, 10:12:03 PM
Peace brother Timur,

I have just finished reading both chapters and I absolutely love them. They comprise a very complete and clear analysis. Thank you, brother :)
I can offer you two tiny remarks:
On page four of the first part there is the following sentence:
The bolded part is probably a typo, isn't it? I am no native speaker but "se" is not an english word as far as I know. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Thank you for pointing out this typo. It should be "we". I corrected it accordingly and uploaded a new file.

My second remark concerns your spelling of the word سلم as "Salaam" implying that it is written with an Alif in the great reading. In fact this is not the case. Please verify yourself.
I know these are only minor issues but I hope they are useful nonetheless.
Peace be with you.

The word that I am spelling as "salaam" is actually the word سلام not سلم.

I have clarified this and also updated the chapter and will upload it.

Peace and thanks,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Timur on March 12, 2013, 09:38:39 AM
Peace brother Ayman.

The word that I am spelling as "salaam" is actually the word سلام not سلم.

What I wanted to express is the following: سلام is not a combination of letters that can be found in the great reading, though it may occur in modern print versions. Please check this here: http://alquran.eu/index.php?searchText=%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85&searchOption=whole&trans=Quran&selectedSuras=1,&analyze=0&case_sensitive=0&non_transliteration=1&srchT=Quran

The correct spelling is always سلم: http://alquran.eu/index.php?searchText=%D8%B3%D9%84%D9%85&searchOption=whole&trans=Quran&selectedSuras=1,&analyze=0&case_sensitive=0&non_transliteration=1&srchT=Quran

One example is verse 10:10

دعوىهم فيها سبحنك اللهم وتحيتهم فيها سلم وءاخر دعوىهم أن الحمد لله رب العلمين

The same applies for Islam by the way which is always spelled as اسلم and not as اسلام.

In case you didn't realize this fact already, I hope it gives you some input for your future studies :)

Peace,

Timur
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on March 12, 2013, 02:53:58 PM
Peace brother Ayman.

What I wanted to express is the following: سلام is not a combination of letters that can be found in the great reading, though it may occur in modern print versions. Please check this here: http://alquran.eu/index.php?searchText=%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85&searchOption=whole&trans=Quran&selectedSuras=1,&analyze=0&case_sensitive=0&non_transliteration=1&srchT=Quran

The correct spelling is always سلم: http://alquran.eu/index.php?searchText=%D8%B3%D9%84%D9%85&searchOption=whole&trans=Quran&selectedSuras=1,&analyze=0&case_sensitive=0&non_transliteration=1&srchT=Quran

One example is verse 10:10

دعوىهم فيها سبحنك اللهم وتحيتهم فيها سلم وءاخر دعوىهم أن الحمد لله رب العلمين

The same applies for Islam by the way which is always spelled as اسلم and not as اسلام.

In case you didn't realize this fact already, I hope it gives you some input for your future studies :)

Peace,

Timur

Peace brother Timur,

Thanks for clarifying that you were talking about matres lectionis. I agree with you that the consonantal spelling differs from the way we pronounce it.

This is definitely an area needing further research. This is especially since the use of matres lectionis is sometimes inconsistent. For example, the word سموات is spelled with a Matres Lectionis as سموت through out the great reading except in 41:12 where it is spelled as سموات.

This shows that the writing style may not have been fully developed at the time.

Peace and best regards,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Zulf on March 12, 2013, 04:05:30 PM
Just wanted to add a thought I had regarding that Allah = the god, with def. article and all.

Traditional Muslims consider 'Allah' as a personal name of the God, but it becomes quite interesting when you think of the situations when personal names are needed and used, which is when there are several individual entities and one would like to be able to separate them from eachother for the purpose of identification.

The purpose of a personal name is incompatible with the quranic concept of God. There is no need for a personal name of God since there are no other gods to keep separate.... but perhaps people fancy having Allah has one of many other entities of worship.

 :hmm

Peace

Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Timur on March 13, 2013, 07:34:12 AM
Peace brother Ayman.

This is definitely an area needing further research. This is especially since the use of matres lectionis is sometimes inconsistent. For example, the word سموات is spelled with a Matres Lectionis as سموت through out the great reading except in 41:12 where it is spelled as سموات.

I agree that further research on this matter is needed. However, are you sure about the case of سموت? I have just checked its spelling in 41:12 in several manuscripts but only in the Kodex Samarkand there is an alif and even there it is behind the mim and not behind the waw: سماوت. Probably this is a simple typo of the scribe. Hence I think سموت should always be spelled without an alif.

In order to give an example here is a picture of the passage in the Kodex Topkapı Sarayı M?zesi:

(http://s1.directupload.net/images/130313/phqxe2f8.png) (http://www.directupload.net)

You can access the manuscripts on this site: http://www.corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/41/vers/12?handschrift=2

Peace be with you,

Timur
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on March 13, 2013, 10:27:30 AM
Peace brother Timur,

Peace brother Ayman.

I agree that further research on this matter is needed. However, are you sure about the case of سموت? I have just checked its spelling in 41:12 in several manuscripts but only in the Kodex Samarkand there is an alif and even there it is behind the mim and not behind the waw: سماوت. Probably this is a simple typo of the scribe. Hence I think سموت should always be spelled without an alif.

In order to give an example here is a picture of the passage in the Kodex Topkapı Sarayı M?zesi:

(http://s1.directupload.net/images/130313/phqxe2f8.png) (http://www.directupload.net)

You can access the manuscripts on this site: http://www.corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/41/vers/12?handschrift=2

Peace be with you,

Timur

It could be a spelling mistake but not a typo (typing was not invented yet) :)

This inconsistent use of matres Lectionis is also seen in other words such as كتاب in passages 13:38, 15:4, 18:27 and 27:1.

Peace,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Timur on March 13, 2013, 01:53:12 PM
Peace brother Ayman.

It could be a spelling mistake but not a typo (typing was not invented yet) :)

Haha, thank you for correcting :rotfl: As I see you got what I meant nonetheless :)

Quote
This inconsistent use of matres Lectionis is also seen in other words such as كتاب in passages 13:38, 15:4, 18:27 and 27:1.

I have checked those verses on
http://www.corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/27/vers/1?handschrift=163
and for each of these verses I have found manuscripts wherein كتب is consistently written without an alif. Hence I think this is most probably the original spelling of the word.

Peace,

Timur
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Wilson on March 26, 2013, 03:42:47 AM
*BUMP*

English translation here: http://www.quran4peace.org/en_index.html   [only first two chapters... for now]
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Mario on March 27, 2013, 11:07:35 PM
*BUMP*

English translation here: http://www.quran4peace.org/en_index.html   [only first two chapters... for now]

Thanks. From what I have read so far, it seems like an interesting and thought-provoking book. I like the book. However, I am not sure if the word peacemaker is the correct english translation of the word muslim. If I remember correctly, according to M.Asad the word muslim means someone who has surrendered himself/herself to God. Since I can't speak arabic and have not studied the word "muslim" in detail, I can't accept this translation of the word yet. Therefore I am critical. But at the same time I am open to the idea that the word muslim means peacemaker. I have to study this word in detail before I make a decision whether I should acccept or reject the interpretation/translation. That being said, Ayman seems like a believer with deep knowledge about islam, quran and the classical arabic language, and I appreciate his effort for writing this book.   
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Wilson on March 28, 2013, 03:22:19 AM
"According to M.Asad:"

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FLj6NgBTQ-k/UVQV39WJoiI/AAAAAAAAAhM/Hd220ErS7uQ/s394/salaam.JPG)

You're right. You should be critical.  ;)
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Man of Faith on March 28, 2013, 09:19:15 AM
Salaam,

Peacemaker may be accurate, Islam is about coming to a peace of mind with oneself and the surroundings. Absolutely certainty about the Truth is when one is a true Believer.

I have come to like the term Truthseeker instead of Peacemaker,  even if the word does not translate into this. It is a sort of paraphrasing on my part, but it cannot be too far from the Truth. It is the goal of Islam anyway, to seek the Truth to attain absolute certainty, and I suppose this is when you can consider yourself Mu?min.

After all, the peace thing about Islam is to gain a balanced soul through following the Light of God. Peace of mind.

This is my interpretation of the religion anyway, I accept any righteous suggestions.

God bless you
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Zulf on March 29, 2013, 02:06:10 AM
It starts with what 'islam' and 'salaam' etc actually and really are. Then if we grasp this, we may describe it with words. This is the direction it should go. It is not the words that define the concepts. The English word 'peace' doesn't do justice to 'islam/salaam'... but it is of course a part of it that we can use to understand the bigger concept.

Cheers
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Man of Faith on March 29, 2013, 02:55:51 AM
Salaam zulf,

Peacemaker, or Muslim, as I understand it, is to seek an inner peace within yourself, that you may in return ascend on the religious path. That is my current interpretation of the word Peacemaker and why it may translate into this compound verb. The making thing is searching for peace in your own soul by seeking His nearness and guidance.

I like to use Truthseeker in conjunction with the Peacemaker "translation", to further define Muslim in English. If you are absolutely certain about the Truth, then you are well on your way into the Light.

I am thinking whether or not Mu?min describes this condition, , when you have become absolutely certain and have no doubt whatsoever.

Believer is an awkward translation of the word Mu?min, I am searching for alternatives, but so far I found none except describe Believer with additional words, i. e true Believer etc.

My own nickname here is perhaps an unintended attempt to describe Mu?min. Without intention to brag or shine, I consider myself a Mu?min, but of course it is God who has the final say in that. Absolutely certain I am, at least, with no doubt.

I am very happy that I discovered this Internet forum, because it has given me so many ideas I would probably otherwise never gotten. I must say thay people like you, through the grace of God, really help to develop the mind. A little piece of Truth in your words is enough, even if we are not entirely right always, it is difficult to determine who is right and who is wrong, in the end it does not matter, as long as we intend to be righteous and worship the Lord alone.

First, when I arrived here, I was a bit skeptical to the heavy reform of Islam here, but now I am more liberal about it. Nothing is wrong except the unrighteous acts, is my belief now. I was never narrow-minded, but I voiced my concerns.

Now it feels like I belong to a brotherhood of friends and I like your thoughts and I seldom criticize them harshly. Controversial thinking is only beneficial for the mind, mind exercise.

Salaam zulf,

Peacemaker, or Muslim, as I understand it, is to seek an inner peace within yourself, that you may in return ascend on the religious path. That is my current interpretation of the word Peacemaker and why it may translate into this compound verb. The making thing is searching for peace in your own soul by seeking His nearness and guidance.

I like to use Truthseeker in conjunction with the Peacemaker "translation", to further define Muslim in English. If you are absolutely certain about the Truth, then you are well on your way into the Light.

I am thinking whether or not Mu?min describes this condition, , when you have become absolutely certain and have no doubt whatsoever.

Believer is an awkward translation of the word Mu?min, I am searching for alternatives, but so far I found none except describe Believer with additional words, i. e true Believer etc.

My own nickname here is perhaps an unintended attempt to describe Mu?min. Without intention to brag or shine, I consider myself a Mu?min, but of course it is God who has the final say in that. Absolutely certain I am, at least, with no doubt.

I am very happy that I discovered this Internet forum, because it has given me so many ideas I would probably otherwise never gotten. I must say thay people like you, through the grace of God, really help to develop the mind. A little piece of Truth in your words is enough, even if we are not entirely right always, it is difficult to determine who is right and who is wrong, in the end it does not matter, as long as we intend to be righteous and worship the Lord alone.

First, when I arrived here, I was a bit skeptical to the heavy reform of Islam here, but now I am more liberal about it. Nothing is wrong except the unrighteous acts, is my belief now. I was never narrow-minded, but I voiced my concerns.

Now it feels like I belong to a brotherhood of friends and I like your thoughts and I seldom criticize them harshly. Controversial thinking is only beneficial for the mind, mind exercise.

God bless you, further
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on April 17, 2013, 08:19:40 PM
Now the book has a Facebook page where people can post and comment and discuss:

https://www.facebook.com/Quran4Peace

I am working on the remaining chapters of the English version.

Peace,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: sushi1992 on April 20, 2013, 03:37:00 PM
Now the book has a Facebook page where people can post and comment and discuss:

https://www.facebook.com/Quran4Peace

I am working on the remaining chapters of the English version.

Peace,

Ayman

Thanks for the update Ayman :)

 :handshake:
:peace:
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Wilson on April 21, 2013, 05:25:50 AM
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-TjRQ7l_ZSMM/UXPfZKN40gI/AAAAAAAAAkQ/4GJypB4tzsg/s336/quran.png)(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-a9eOWcFzuZM/UXPfY_nZu6I/AAAAAAAAAkI/p_zdlNzblFQ/s336/peace.png)
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on April 22, 2013, 10:32:37 PM
Peace dear brother Abdelilah,

Those T-shirts are awsome! Thanks for sharing. I will post the pics on the Facebook page.

Peace and best regards,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: god1quran1 on April 23, 2013, 01:20:36 PM
A very enjoyable read of the first 2 chapters. Your attempt to uncover the true meaning by treating proper nouns as common nouns certainly makes for a better and more fluid understanding of the The Reading.
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on May 29, 2013, 06:06:36 PM
Peace brother g1q1,

A very enjoyable read of the first 2 chapters. Your attempt to uncover the true meaning by treating proper nouns as common nouns certainly makes for a better and more fluid understanding of the The Reading.

Thank you for your kind assessment. Common nouns are universal concepts and this certainly makes for a more natural and universally applicable understanding, which is in line with the spirit of the message.

Peace,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on May 29, 2013, 06:26:53 PM
Peace everyone,

All thanks is due to the god that the book's Facebook page has gathered over 57K fans in the one month since it was started. If this trend continues, we could be in the initial stage of a real revolution like the Protestant revolution that helped usher Europe out of the dark ages, if the god willed.

https://www.facebook.com/Quran4Peace

Peace,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: amin on May 29, 2013, 07:09:05 PM
Dear Ayman,

Is there a complete English translations? Great work,
PEACE :)

Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Timur on May 30, 2013, 06:21:31 PM
Peace brother Ayman,

It's a great development. I was the 13th liker or something close to that and could observe the sudden and rapid rise of your book's facebook page. It makes me remember sura 110... Maybe that time has just arrived.

I am looking forward to your translation of the remaining chapters :)

Salamun alayka, my dear brother.
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Mario on May 30, 2013, 09:10:42 PM
"According to M.Asad:"

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FLj6NgBTQ-k/UVQV39WJoiI/AAAAAAAAAhM/Hd220ErS7uQ/s394/salaam.JPG)

You're right. You should be critical.  ;)

Salam Abdelilah

You were right. I was wrong. I couldn't see these facts then. But I can see it now. I guess I wasn't ready for the information in his book when I wrote a post in this thread. I was blind to the facts. It indeed makes sense that the word muslim should be translated as peacemaker. Islam, muslim and other words that haven't been translated to english, and instead have been taken as proper names or nonsensical labels should definitely be translated to english, so that several misconceptions and falsehoods about "Deen of islam" can be dismantled.

I recommend his book to all members in FM:

http://www.quran4peace.org
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Mario on May 30, 2013, 10:27:29 PM
Peace brother Abdelilah,

This is exactly the idea. Keep it simple and easily accessible. Also, focus on the so-called "pillars" because if we show that even those basic tenets have been grossly distorted and we can demonstrate how the truth in the great reading is vastly different to the traditional practices then we do not even need to waste any time in endless arguments about traditions. If something as big as "hagg"/feast has been so much distorted and turned into a pagan ritual then small potatoes such as Bukahri Hadiths and Ibn Hisham Sira are already destroyed.

I would greatly appreciate your help and everyone's help in sharing ideas on how to spread the word about the book.

Peace and best regards,

Ayman

Peace Ayman

Here are some ideas on how to spread the word about the book and reach a greater audience:

1. Make colorful flyers with a short introduction to the book to catch peoples interest, including a link to the website quran4peace.org, so people can go
to the website and read the book. Deliver the flyers to muslims and non-muslims in the street or cycle into different neighborhoods and put them into peoples mail boxes at night when they are asleep :P Just kidding. Do it at daytime. This method is similar to the tactic of Jehovas Witnesses (the experts of self-promotion). This method might sound crazy, but it actually works. Haha. 

2. Contact journalists of different newspapers about a story about your book.

3. Go to different forums on the internet and recommend the "book and the website quran4peace.org" to muslims and non-muslims.

4. Make videos about the book on youtube, vimeo and other videosharing sites. Put the book title and the url of the website under the videos.

5. Translate the book to several different languages (Indonesian, Hindi, Turkish, Bengali, Dari, Chinese, Japanese, Spanish etc.) to reach a greater audience.     
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on June 23, 2013, 10:40:16 PM
Peace dear brother Timur,

Peace brother Ayman,
It's a great development. I was the 13th liker or something close to that and could observe the sudden and rapid rise of your book's facebook page. It makes me remember sura 110... Maybe that time has just arrived.
I am looking forward to your translation of the remaining chapters :)
Salamun alayka, my dear brother.

It is a great honor to have you my dear brother as one of the early members of the page. The god has blessed us and we are now up to over 145,000 since my last post less than a month ago.

I am still working on the English translation of the remaining chapters. The difficulty and why this is taking more time is that they are not translations. It is actually a rewriting of the book in English.

Peace and best regards,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Man of Faith on June 24, 2013, 05:34:30 AM
Peace brother Ayman,

I have not yet seen your works more than briefly, but the little I have seen looks promising. Unfortunatly I have limited access to any usable Internet. I would love to have a good translation of the Quran. Facebook works poorly from here.

God bless you
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Timur on June 26, 2013, 04:17:02 PM
Peace dear brother Ayman.

I am still working on the English translation of the remaining chapters. The difficulty and why this is taking more time is that they are not translations. It is actually a rewriting of the book in English.

I understand. Good things need some patience, don't they? ;)



Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Wilson on July 08, 2013, 02:31:43 PM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/4__4mUx32_YTrVL7fd7kCUeOYS6GL7AotejurgO4Rco=w277-h207-p-no)
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: hope4 on July 08, 2013, 03:36:53 PM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/4__4mUx32_YTrVL7fd7kCUeOYS6GL7AotejurgO4Rco=w277-h207-p-no)
English Version?
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Wilson on July 09, 2013, 11:08:32 AM
Peace Hope,

English Version?

Nah, copies of the Arabic version. You can follow the progress of the English version if you click on the first link in my signature and then choose "English".

Abdelilah
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Timur on July 09, 2013, 01:02:54 PM
Peace Abdelilah,

what a collection ;) I have only one copy. For what purpose did you order all those copies? Are you planning to distribute them somewhere?
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Wilson on July 09, 2013, 01:25:58 PM
Peace Timur,

For what purpose did you order all those copies? Are you planning to distribute them somewhere?

I already gave some 20 or 30 copies to family, friends and acquaintances. This collection however, I'm planning to distribute at the entrance to the local mosque next Sunday, the 21st at 21:45.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=131741900361065&l=b15d5f4853

Abdelilah
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Wilson on July 21, 2013, 07:21:53 PM
Peace,

I sat at the entrance to the local mosque between 21:45 and 23:00. It went smooth, without incidents. If the god willed the outcome of this small endeavour will be beneficial.

Abdelilah
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: es on July 21, 2013, 07:33:13 PM
Salaam Abdelillah,

Peace,

I sat at the entrance to the local mosque between 21:45 and 23:00. It went smooth, without incidents. If the god willed the outcome of this small endeavour will be beneficial.

Abdelilah

God bless you. I would love to be able to read this book, but my Arabic doesn't stretch to it, and distribute it in my local mosque too, but I think I'd get into trouble! Hang on a sec., I wouldn't be allowed into my local mosque because I am a woman!

Salaam.

Sajda.
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Wilson on July 30, 2013, 08:59:57 AM
Peace,

How about creating an interactive e-book with Inkling's Habitat or Apple's iBooks Author (http://www.apple.com/ibooks-author/#hero-video)?

By the way, the Facebook page has reached 300,000 likes.
 :bravo:
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: justamuslim on July 30, 2013, 10:15:40 AM
When I clicked on the website: http://www.quran4peace.org/,   Got a message that the account has been suspended. 

What's up with that? 

Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Wilson on July 30, 2013, 03:12:44 PM
Peace justamuslim,

When I clicked on the website: http://www.quran4peace.org/,   Got a message that the account has been suspended. 

The site is back up.
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Bender on August 01, 2013, 02:50:59 AM
Peace everyone,

I would like to present a groundbreaking Arabic book entitled "Peacemaking from the Quran" demonstrates the meaning of peacemaking (islam) as well as concepts such as "salat", "masjid", "hagg", "ramadan", etc. The book is based in part on many of the valuable discusssions that took place right here on the Free-minds forum.

The complete book can now be downloaded from the following site:

www.quran4peace.org

I have also started working on an English version. I will let everyone know once it is completed.

Peace and best wishes,

Ayman

Salaamun alayka,

I did not read your book but I have read some articles of you.
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe your book is a (upgraded) collection of some of your articles and posts here.
What will happen to your book if after some time you come to new understandings?
I am not talking about some small corrections but about new understandings about concepts which are totally different from how you understand them now.

Salaam,
Bender

ps grats on so many likes on FB
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: savage_carrot on August 01, 2013, 03:06:01 AM
Quote from: Bender
What will happen to your book if after some time you come to new understandings?
I am not talking about some small corrections but about new understandings about concepts which are totally different from how you understand them now.
A new book I assume? It has been known to happen, whether it happens here is a hypothetical most can't really answer.  Not sure why you asked that question however, are you expecting bro Ayman to say nevah evah that's crazy talk? Or a more reasonable, I'll let you guys know if I change my mind? In either case it shouldn't stop someone from publishing their thoughts unless they're not sure of what it is they're talking about.

peace
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Bender on August 01, 2013, 05:23:46 AM
A new book I assume? It has been known to happen, whether it happens here is a hypothetical most can't really answer.  Not sure why you asked that question however, are you expecting bro Ayman to say nevah evah that's crazy talk? Or a more reasonable, I'll let you guys know if I change my mind? In either case it shouldn't stop someone from publishing their thoughts unless they're not sure of what it is they're talking about.

peace

salaamun alayki,

I don't know, that's why I am asking  ;)
I think it needs big courage to say A in one book with n evidences to prove A, and then in the next book to say you were totally wrong.

 :peace:
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Man of Faith on August 02, 2013, 07:00:31 PM
Peace Sajda,

Because you are a woman you are not allowed to enter God's house? How silly is not that. Where do they get their ideas from. Have they authority from God to do that? Is it a new covenant?

God bless you
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on September 23, 2013, 09:08:49 PM
Peace everyone,

The book's Facebook page now has over half a million fans (over 540,000 to be more precise).

https://www.facebook.com/Quran4Peace

This success is thanks to the god above all and to the amazing efforts of dear brother Abdelilah and other kind brothers and sisters.

However, the Facebook page taking a lot of my spare time plus extremely busy work and personal schedule has resulted in delaying the remaining chapters of the English version (it is not a translation but a complete re-write). I also miss everyone at Free-minds and will try to pop in every now and then :).

Peace and all best wishes,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on December 01, 2013, 07:06:41 PM
Peace everyone,

I just posted Chapter 3 (the one about ?salat?) of the ?Quran for Peace? book on the book web site:

http://www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-English-part3.pdf

I would appreciate everyone's feedback.

The other good news is that with the god's help the Facebook page has added another 250K fans in the last couple of months and now it has about 800K fans in total. With the god's help this could perhaps soon lead to a real revolution.

Peace and all best wishes,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: GODsubmitter on December 01, 2013, 08:51:43 PM
Peace everyone,

I just posted Chapter 3 (the one about ?salat?) of the ?Quran for Peace? book on the book web site:

http://www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-English-part3.pdf

I would appreciate everyone's feedback.

The other good news is that with the god's help the Facebook page has added another 250K fans in the last couple of months and now it has about 800K fans in total. With the god's help this could perhaps soon lead to a real revolution.

Peace and all best wishes,

Ayman

Thank you.
It is interesting, but I somehow miss the explanation of ablution in connection with salat.
Is it all that there is of the article about salat or there is more?

Peace
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on December 02, 2013, 08:58:11 AM
It is interesting, but I somehow miss the explanation of ablution in connection with salat.
Is it all that there is of the article about salat or there is more?

Given the optimal times of the learning connection at the start and end of day, washing is what one normally and naturally does when he wakes up and starts his day and when he returns home at the end of the day after work.

Peace,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Timur on December 02, 2013, 03:48:11 PM
Peace brother!

Thank you for the third chapter. I have waited for this so long ;)

My best wishes,

Timur
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Timur on December 02, 2013, 04:20:08 PM
One question: In the new chapter of your book you translate sujud as prostration. Have you changed your mind? Or is this simply because you are going to explain the meaning of sujud in the fourth chapter in detail?

Peace.
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: GODsubmitter on December 02, 2013, 08:49:32 PM
Given the optimal times of the learning connection at the start and end of day, washing is what one normally and naturally does when he wakes up and starts his day and when he returns home at the end of the day after work.

Peace,

Ayman

Thank you @ayman for the answer, but I do not agree, I do not think that God would mention in a Sublime Scripture such an obvious and hygienic habit everybody learns as children to wash your hands  ;)

Anyway...

Peace
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: sushi1992 on December 02, 2013, 09:37:14 PM
One question: In the new chapter of your book you translate sujud as prostration. Have you changed your mind? Or is this simply because you are going to explain the meaning of sujud in the fourth chapter in detail?

Peace.

Ditto with Timur. I had regarded your understanding of sujud as not necessarily physical. This is also my view.

:peace: + nice to see brother ayman on here again :)
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on December 03, 2013, 07:28:07 AM
Peace brother Timur,
One question: In the new chapter of your book you translate sujud as prostration. Have you changed your mind? Or is this simply because you are going to explain the meaning of sujud in the fourth chapter in detail?

I was going to explain the meaning in chapter 4. However, you are right that it may be better to specify the meaning as "obedience" right away and then explain in chapter 4. I have changed this based on your comment and uploaded a new version.

Peace,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on December 03, 2013, 07:31:32 AM
Thank you @ayman for the answer, but I do not agree, I do not think that God would mention in a Sublime Scripture such an obvious and hygienic habit everybody learns as children to wash your hands  ;)

When put in the context of doing the learning connection with a clear mind then it does make sense. Personally, I think better after washing :).

Peace,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Timur on December 03, 2013, 08:51:37 AM
Peace brother Ayman.

However, you are right that it may be better to specify the meaning as "obedience" right away and then explain in chapter 4. I have changed this based on your comment and uploaded a new version.

Yes, I think this is better. Thank you :) However, now a new problem occurs: You refer to obedience, but in the traditional translations you provide no obedience is mentioned. I think this may lead to confusions. Maybe it would be better to point out briefly that sujud is traditionally translated as prostration and that you are goind to explain your translation in the next chapter? What do you think?

Peace.
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on December 03, 2013, 04:45:16 PM
Peace brother Timur,
Yes, I think this is better. Thank you :) However, now a new problem occurs: You refer to obedience, but in the traditional translations you provide no obedience is mentioned. I think this may lead to confusions. Maybe it would be better to point out briefly that sujud is traditionally translated as prostration and that you are goind to explain your translation in the next chapter? What do you think?

I provide a short explanation of why "sujud" means obedience as you suggested. I just uploaded the new version.

Thanks for the great input and support.

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: The_Chimp on December 03, 2013, 05:11:00 PM
Peace brother Timur,
I provide a short explanation of why "sujud" means obedience as you suggested. I just uploaded the new version.

Thanks for the great input and support.

Ayman

Where? Provide explanation where?

Sajdah - in Arabic means to prostrate and not "obedience".
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: The_Chimp on December 03, 2013, 05:27:54 PM
http://www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-English-part3.pdf

This document is someone's made up and baseless views with many errors.

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As we saw in the previous chapter, the common noun ?islam? is not the meaningless proper name of a religion.

Incorrect - virtually every scholar of Islam [Muslim or otherwise] would term Islam as a Proper Noun.

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For example, while ?islam? means peacemaking

By whose reckoning?

The word Islam means "To submit". Well documented . . . unless one invents completely new meanings.

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As we can see, the word ?taslim? in 33:56 is translated as salutation. However, by doing a simple search in the Quran, everyone can easily find the same exact word used in 4:65 to clearly mean ?submission? not ?salutation?.

Words have different meanings in different contexts . . .

Sallama does have the meaning of to send peace/greetings/salutation.

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It is obvious that the word ?taslim? in the Quran is used to mean ?submission? and not ?salutation?.

Actually it is far from obvious. By finding different usage that alone is not sufficient reason to go and change the meaning of another word.

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So, according to 33:56, when people say ?sala allah alayh wa salam? they are ignorantly saying that the god submits (the god be most exalted). So billions of people, including so-called scholars, have been mindlessly uttering what is essentially a gross blasphemyagainst the god!

Shock, Horror! Or what the case likely to be is . . . that YOU are wrong. Think about it . . . Arabs whose language it is . . . have produced outstanding scholars of Arabic and what not . . . and others that are not Arab . . .

They all missed it . . . and yet . . . . you have spotted this mistake?

Unlikely.

People are not saying God submits at all . . .

Read:

"Indeed, Allah confers blessing upon the Prophet, and His angels [ask Him to do so]. O you who have believed, ask [ Allah to confer] blessing upon him and ask [ Allah to grant him] peace."



The above is one bit . . . rest of document is filled with unqualified amateurish nonsense.






Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Timur on December 04, 2013, 09:17:32 AM
Thanks for the great input and support.

You are welcome, thanks for your great work!

Peace.
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Timur on December 04, 2013, 09:43:29 AM
Peace Chimp.

Sajdah - in Arabic means to prostrate and not "obedience".

How do you translate 2:58, 4:154 or 7:161?

Please have a look here: http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-of-SuJuD-from-Quran.html
Summary of issues: http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601641.msg328785#msg328785

Here you can read an older article by brother Ayman containing information about the meaning of sujud. At that time he rendered it as "hearing and obeying", which is in the essence no difference to "obedience": http://www.free-minds.org/Old/articles/gods_system/name.htm

Here you contradict yourself concerning the meaning of islam:

Incorrect - virtually every scholar of Islam [Muslim or otherwise] would term Islam as a Proper Noun.

The word Islam means "To submit". Well documented . . . unless one invents completely new meanings.

So what shall it be? A proper noun or a common noun meaning "submission"?
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Man of Faith on December 04, 2013, 10:52:39 AM
Peace Chimp.

How do you translate 2:58, 4:154 or 7:161?

Please have a look here: http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-of-SuJuD-from-Quran.html
Summary of issues: http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601641.msg328785#msg328785

Here you can read an older article by brother Ayman containing information about the meaning of sujud. At that time he rendered it as "hearing and obeying", which is in the essence no difference to "obedience": http://www.free-minds.org/Old/articles/gods_system/name.htm

Here you contradict yourself concerning the meaning of islam:

So what shall it be? A proper noun or a common noun meaning "submission"?


Peace,

Disregard them; they only follow their leaders blindly.

6:116 And if you obey most of those on the earth they will lead you away from the path of God; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.
33:67 And they will say: ?Our Lord, we have obeyed our leaders and our learned ones, but they misled us from the path.?


Peace
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: The_Chimp on December 05, 2013, 03:40:45 PM
Quran 2:58

"And [recall] when We said, "Enter this city and eat from it wherever you will in [ease and] abundance, and enter the gate bowing humbly and say, 'Relieve us of our burdens.' We will [then] forgive your sins for you, and We will increase the doers of good [in goodness and reward].""

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[4:154]

And We raised over them the mount for [refusal of] their covenant; and We said to them, "Enter the gate bowing humbly", and We said to them, "Do not transgress on the sabbath", and We took from them a solemn covenant.

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[7: 161]

And [mention, O Muhammad], when it was said to them, "Dwell in this city and eat from it wherever you will and say, 'Relieve us of our burdens,' and enter the gate bowing humbly; We will [then] forgive you your sins. We will increase the doers of good [in goodness and reward]."

In all the meaning is right . . . inventing new meanings is OBVIOUSLY 100% wrong.

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I do not contradict my self over the word Islam.

Islam - the word means "Submission". And it is also a nomenclature - when referring to the Muslim religion it is a Proper Noun.

Proper Nouns to have meanings! For example my name "Amin" is proper name and has a meaning!

Once again . . you simply cannot "invent" new meanings. It is 100% wrong.

= = =

Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: The_Chimp on December 05, 2013, 03:41:49 PM
Peace,

Disregard them; they only follow their leaders blindly.

6:116 And if you obey most of those on the earth they will lead you away from the path of God; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.
33:67 And they will say: ?Our Lord, we have obeyed our leaders and our learned ones, but they misled us from the path.?


Peace

Sorry - but you are just getting abusive for the sake of abuse . . .

1. I am far more educated than you.

2. Far more smarter.

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Live with it.

Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Bender on December 05, 2013, 03:46:07 PM

Once again . . you simply cannot "invent" new meanings. It is 100% wrong.


Salaam,

How about inventing new words in ayaats of The Quran? How much "...%" wrong or right is that?

Salaam,
Bender
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: The_Chimp on December 05, 2013, 04:13:00 PM
Salaam,

How about inventing new words in ayaats of The Quran? How much "...%" wrong or right is that?

Salaam,
Bender

100%. Pointless question. If you want to have a conversation - fine. Try this wise-cracking nonsense . . . I am not interested. Don't bother replying. I will report you for it.

Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Bender on December 05, 2013, 04:21:07 PM
100%. Pointless question. If you want to have a conversation - fine. Try this wise-cracking nonsense . . . I am not interested. Don't bother replying. I will report you for it.

Salaam,

BLUE: 100% wrong or 100% right?

RED: I just did it  :& have mercy on me  :&

Salaam,
Bender
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: The_Chimp on December 05, 2013, 04:31:14 PM
Salaam,

BLUE: 100% wrong or 100% right?

RED: I just did it  :& have mercy on me  :&

Salaam,
Bender

You are NOT very bright are you . . . given the above response!
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Bender on December 05, 2013, 04:37:11 PM
You are NOT very bright are you . . . given the above response!

Salaam,

100% wrong or 100% right?
You for sure can answer this not so bright question.

Salaam,
Bender
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Man of Faith on December 05, 2013, 04:37:35 PM
And far more arrogant.

Peace
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: The_Chimp on December 05, 2013, 06:19:01 PM
And far more arrogant.

Peace

So why is it that you leave nasty messages aimed at me? Where is all that piousness gone now?
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: The_Chimp on December 05, 2013, 06:22:18 PM
Salaam,

100% wrong or 100% right?
You for sure can answer this not so bright question.

Salaam,
Bender

When it comes Quran Only - they are nasty as can be . . . but you know protected. . . . dare anyone else counter-act. . .

Dearie - inventing new words is worse than new meanings for words. . . so it is 100% wrong. Given my previous answer . . . it leaves no margin which option.
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Man of Faith on December 05, 2013, 10:45:23 PM
I just continued on the list.

You know Shaytaan said: "I am better than he"
You indirectly also say: "I am better than you"

Thus Shaytaan was very arrogant and I unfortunately see those traits in you too without intending to be dogmatic. You know full well I am relatively intelligent but you must shine with your projected intelligence.

Anyway, I have no interest of discussing with arrogant fools when other people are more worthy of my attention. Please continue to study the meaning of the Message instead of getting stuck on words.

Peace
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Bender on December 06, 2013, 07:00:59 AM
When it comes Quran Only - they are nasty as can be . . . but you know protected. . . . dare anyone else counter-act. . .

Salaam,

Not sure to who you are talking here.
If you want to say something to me just say it straight, in this way it looks like you have a multiple personality disorder.
And fyi  I'm NOT "Quran Only".

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Dearie - inventing new words is worse than new meanings for words. . . so it is 100% wrong. Given my previous answer . . . it leaves no margin which option.

Here is your chance to correct yourself:

Quran 2:58

"And [recall] when We said, "Enter this city and eat from it wherever you will in [ease and] abundance, and enter the gate bowing humbly and say, 'Relieve us of our burdens.' We will [then] forgive your sins for you, and We will increase the doers of good [in goodness and reward].""

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[4:154]

And We raised over them the mount for [refusal of] their covenant; and We said to them, "Enter the gate bowing humbly", and We said to them, "Do not transgress on the sabbath", and We took from them a solemn covenant.

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[7: 161]

And [mention, O Muhammad], when it was said to them, "Dwell in this city and eat from it wherever you will and say, 'Relieve us of our burdens,' and enter the gate bowing humbly; We will [then] forgive you your sins. We will increase the doers of good [in goodness and reward]."


You who posses the Arabic language to master degree and is eager to point out others inventions in the ayaats of The Quran, for sure have noticed the 100% wrong inventions in the translations above.
So please remove all the inventions in these translations you copy-pasted.

salaam,
Bender

ps You can not edit your post now but if you ask a moderator kindly, I am sure they will help you further.

 
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on December 06, 2013, 08:10:09 AM
Where? Provide explanation where?

http://www.quran4peace.org/ar_index.html

Sajdah - in Arabic means to prostrate and not "obedience".

If one thinks that "sujud" means someone wiping his forehead on the floor and not "obeying the god" then they have bigger problems than coming here and discussing religion on this forum. Surely, claiming that "sujud" is some superficial mechanical movements instead of "obeying the god" is the attitude of hypocrites and those who mindlessly immitate like monkeys.

The rest of the arguments are just as mindless, such as inability to grasp elementary school level concepts like the difference between proper names and common nouns, confusing nouns (islam) and verbs (to submit), and ignorance that "taslim" is a different Arabic Masdar than "salam", etc.

Peace,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Earthdom on December 06, 2013, 12:07:58 PM
So what shall it be? A proper noun or a common noun meaning "submission"?

Salaam

This because of Arabization.Arabization occur when Islam disseminated to some region.

The word Islam can be transalted into another language as well as the word "Allah".
Some sects believe if this word forbids to be translated, just like tetragramaton, but actually this just ulama's policy.

To unite muslims?? Ney.Arabic is just language of Quranic Mushaf, our international one is english, hence why we're not use "Submitter" instead "Muslim".



Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: The_Chimp on December 06, 2013, 03:31:02 PM
Salaam,

Not sure to who you are talking here.
If you want to say something to me just say it straight, in this way it looks like you have a multiple personality disorder.
And fyi  I'm NOT "Quran Only".

Here is your chance to correct yourself:

Quran 2:58

"And [recall] when We said, "Enter this city and eat from it wherever you will in [ease and] abundance, and enter the gate bowing humbly and say, 'Relieve us of our burdens.' We will [then] forgive your sins for you, and We will increase the doers of good [in goodness and reward].""

-

[4:154]

And We raised over them the mount for [refusal of] their covenant; and We said to them, "Enter the gate bowing humbly", and We said to them, "Do not transgress on the sabbath", and We took from them a solemn covenant.

-

[7: 161]

And [mention, O Muhammad], when it was said to them, "Dwell in this city and eat from it wherever you will and say, 'Relieve us of our burdens,' and enter the gate bowing humbly; We will [then] forgive you your sins. We will increase the doers of good [in goodness and reward]."


You who posses the Arabic language to master degree and is eager to point out others inventions in the ayaats of The Quran, for sure have noticed the 100% wrong inventions in the translations above.
So please remove all the inventions in these translations you copy-pasted.

salaam,
Bender

ps You can not edit your post now but if you ask a moderator kindly, I am sure they will help you further.

Bender - so far all you have been is pretty nasty and self-piously sanctimonious . . . thankfully  - you are NOT talking to me anymore.
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: The_Chimp on December 06, 2013, 03:34:44 PM
Salaam

This because of Arabization.Arabization occur when Islam disseminated to some region.

The word Islam can be transalted into another language as well as the word "Allah".
Some sects believe if this word forbids to be translated, just like tetragramaton, but actually this just ulama's policy.

To unite muslims?? Ney.Arabic is just language of Quranic Mushaf, our international one is english, hence why we're not use "Submitter" instead "Muslim".

The fact that Quran is in Arabic is far better reason to keep with Arabic. And what is wrong with Arabic? After all God chose to send his message in Arabic.

Arabic is Muslim language and has been. As I have already said . . . all understand if you say "Salah" - Allah and etc.



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This because of Arabization.Arabization occur when Islam disseminated to some region.

No it does not. Arabic never even replaced Persian - and they did a LOT for Arabic. Arabic ONLY spread to Arabic/Semitic regions . . else it is the language of Islam.

It is million times better to choose it over English.
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: The_Chimp on December 06, 2013, 03:44:21 PM
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If one thinks that "sujud" means someone wiping his forehead on the floor and not "obeying the god" then they have bigger problems than coming here and discussing religion on this forum. Surely, claiming that "sujud" is some superficial mechanical movements instead of "obeying the god" is the attitude of hypocrites and those who mindlessly immitate like monkeys.

Incorrect - you simply cannot "invent" your own personal meanings. That is just completely nonsense. . .



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f one thinks that "sujud" means someone wiping his forehead

It is bowing down - and that is what the word means. Do you have evidence that this word does not mean to bow down? I don't mean your pet theories - hard evidence.



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Surely, claiming that "sujud" is some superficial mechanical movements instead of "obeying the god" is the attitude of hypocrites and those who mindlessly immitate like monkeys.

Try not to miss the point . . . The word Sajadah means to "bow down".



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The rest of the arguments are just as mindless, such as inability to grasp elementary school level concepts like the difference between proper names and common nouns, confusing nouns (islam) and verbs (to submit), and ignorance that "taslim" is a different Arabic Masdar than "salam", etc.

Sorry - but you are being completely dishonest and frankly plain insulting and rude. That is the sign that argument has run out of you - and you have resorted to abuse.

I think it is you who does not understand the difference between Proper and Common noun - this is why rather than explaining any mistakes you have resorted to petty verbal abuse.



Islam means "to submit" - that is its linguistic meaning. FACT! Countless Arabic sources . .  will say it and countless Arabic experts.

Islam as nomenclature refers to the Muslim faith.



Try to say off abuse - pretend that I have made mistake without having the ability to explain it . . . then do not resort to the above.

Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: The_Chimp on December 06, 2013, 03:48:07 PM
I just continued on the list.

You know Shaytaan said: "I am better than he"
You indirectly also say: "I am better than you"

Thus Shaytaan was very arrogant and I unfortunately see those traits in you too without intending to be dogmatic. You know full well I am relatively intelligent but you must shine with your projected intelligence.

Anyway, I have no interest of discussing with arrogant fools when other people are more worthy of my attention. Please continue to study the meaning of the Message instead of getting stuck on words.

Peace

When argument runs out . . .then you get all huffy and start throwing accusations . . .

I have prove I am far better educated and far more intelligent.

Look at your rhetoric. Now THAT is arrogance:

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I have no interest of discussing with arrogant fools when other people are more worthy of my attention.

You have NOTHING to say to me . . .other than to be rude!

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So far . . . whenever you people are beaten . . . and your mistakes are highlighted . . . you get like this.

Abusive. 



I have reported you. And will do so again . . . and to see how just this board is.
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Noon waalqalami on December 06, 2013, 05:32:07 PM
Islam as nomenclature refers to the Muslim faith.

Peace the chimp,

I don't feel people are intentionally being rude or arrogant although at times these differences can be heated and you seem to write/reply on too many topics quickly; perhaps a point/topic at a time and write concisely why you disagree ? instead of it's always been this opinion simply elaborate in detail then perhaps brother Ayman and others can reply to that particular point, otherwise we're all over the place looks like spam/noise.

E.g. please explain what word in English best describes/translates as Muslim or what does it mean in Arabic?
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Earthdom on December 06, 2013, 09:53:02 PM
The fact that Quran is in Arabic is far better reason to keep with Arabic. And what is wrong with Arabic? After all God chose to send his message in Arabic.

Arabic is Muslim language and has been. As I have already said . . . all understand if you say "Salah" - Allah and etc.

RED: There is nothing wrong with Arabic.
BLUE: This because of doctrination by long time periods.

Btw do you understand what I mean "Arabization"?
Arabazation is not limited within languages but also for cultures.This phenomenon occur together with spread of Islam.

I give you example :

1) In my region "Nusantara", the Arabic language influeced our languages.Main language spoken in Nusantara is Malay.

Indonesian language = Malay + Java + Arabic + English + Sanskrit + Portugese
Malaysian language   = Malay + English + Jawi + Arabic + Sanskrit + Portugese
Bruneian language     = Malay + English + Jawi + Arabic + Sanskrit + Portugese

The Jawi Script using Arabic.

2) Some of Muslim even they're not Arab adobted Arabic for their name.

3) Music like nasheed is popular among muslim communities especially for concervatives

4) etc

Peace
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Man of Faith on December 07, 2013, 01:50:41 AM
Peace,

Huh? You said something which was arrogant and I just continued on the list. And Shaytaan said like you think. There has been little offense in my posts. At best you were offensive and I returned the offense by adding a line to your:

1. More knowledgeable
2. Way smarter

And I added:

3. And more arrogant

You you deny the reply was untrue based on the first post?

I know it was a bit sarcastic but could not help it on such a lame post. So retarded. But go to you creed and I will have mine.

Peace
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: The_Chimp on December 24, 2013, 07:53:06 PM
Peace,

Huh? You said something which was arrogant and I just continued on the list. And Shaytaan said like you think. There has been little offense in my posts. At best you were offensive and I returned the offense by adding a line to your:

1. More knowledgeable
2. Way smarter

And I added:

3. And more arrogant

You you deny the reply was untrue based on the first post?

I know it was a bit sarcastic but could not help it on such a lame post. So retarded. But go to you creed and I will have mine.

Peace


Quote
There has been little offense in my posts. At best you were offensive and I returned the offense by adding a line to your:

You can hardly be the best judge of that? As you are accused of being guilty . . . and it is NOT you being offended. So offending others and then saying you are not offensive . . . but calling others "arrogant" . . .

Hmmm . . . that is ARROGANCE!

- - -

Quote
I know it was a bit sarcastic but could not help it on such a lame post. So retarded. But go to you creed and I will have mine.

So you quite enjoy calling others "retarded" yet  . . .  do not see this as offensive!

- - -

It is a FACT that . . . I am better educated and smarter than you. It has easily been proven.



Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: es on December 24, 2013, 08:07:06 PM
It is a FACT that . . . I am better educated and smarter than you. It has easily been proven.

I thought I was going to find a relevant and interesting nugget of information. Yet, having only read the last post, I feel as though I have stepped into a primary school playground.

Salaam.

Sajda.
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: The_Chimp on December 24, 2013, 08:18:01 PM
I thought I was going to find a relevant and interesting nugget of information. Yet, having only read the last post, I feel as though I have stepped into a primary school playground.

Salaam.

Sajda.

Why? Do you object to primary school playgrounds . . . I have always enjoyed  a good scrap! Even aged 32.  :brickwall:
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: es on December 24, 2013, 08:21:55 PM
Why? Do you object to primary school playgrounds . . . I have always enjoyed  a good scrap! Even aged 32.  :brickwall:

Come on, brother, there's no need for such comments.

We should not lose sight.
We should not fight.
We should hold on to the rope nice and tight.
We should unite.
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: The_Chimp on December 24, 2013, 09:19:27 PM
Come on, brother, there's no need for such comments.

We should not lose sight.
We should not fight.
We should hold on to the rope nice and tight.
We should unite.

Why not? It was a light-hearted comment . . . jeez!
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: hawk99 on December 25, 2013, 12:33:05 AM
Come on, brother, there's no need for such comments.

We should not lose sight.
We should not fight.
We should hold on to the rope nice and tight.
We should unite.

Like

Why not? It was a light-hearted comment . . . jeez!

Jeez = Jesus = call on Jesus for assistance

ya Allah = call on Allah for assistance, is the best expression of exasperation, but you already know that!

God bless

   :peace:
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: The_Chimp on December 25, 2013, 12:53:52 AM
Like

Jeez = Jesus = call on Jesus for assistance

ya Allah = call on Allah for assistance, is the best expression of exasperation, but you already know that!

God bless

   :peace:

I also know that Jeez - is mild expression of surprise. . . .and NOT calling Jesus Christ for help. 
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: hawk99 on December 25, 2013, 01:07:12 AM
I also know that Jeez - is mild expression of surprise. . . .and NOT calling Jesus Christ for help.

hmmm, ok,

On the one hand you are correct:

Definition of JEEZ
?used as a mild oath or introductory expletive (as to express surprise)

On the other hand......

Origin of JEEZ
euphemism for Jesus
First Known Use: 1923

God bless

   :peace:

Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Man of Faith on December 25, 2013, 02:57:42 AM
Peace,

That is true. Saying jeez is using Jesus' name, even if by slang.

I usually say "oh Lord God". It may be more righteous.

God bless you
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Zulf on December 25, 2013, 08:40:56 AM
What is important is what we mean when we utter what we utter. The intention is the important thing.... not the etymology of the uttered word/expression. Then of course, there are expression, although innocently uttered, that we perhaps better refrain from using... like "bloody hell"... or worse...

Uttering 'jeez' doesn't mean we call on Jesus... and just because we celebrate Christmas it doesn't mean we believe Jesus was more than a human man, and it doesn't even mean we commemorate Jesus birth at all, whether as God incarnate or as just a human messenger.

Peace
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: The_Chimp on December 25, 2013, 09:03:13 AM
Peace,

That is true. Saying jeez is using Jesus' name, even if by slang.

I usually say "oh Lord God". It may be more righteous.

God bless you

You are getting extremely petty . . . following me around and leaving nasty comments just for the sake of it. You do not know much or have answer . . . like all your brethren resort to making up nonsense. 

Rather than highlighting your inadequacies - try staying quiet.

Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: The_Chimp on December 25, 2013, 09:08:36 AM
hmmm, ok,

On the one hand you are correct:

Definition of JEEZ
?used as a mild oath or introductory expletive (as to express surprise)

On the other hand......

Origin of JEEZ
euphemism for Jesus
First Known Use: 1923

God bless

   :peace:

It did start off as an abbreviation of saying Jesus - but not saying "Oh Jesus" . . . and it is better than you sing "Jesus Christ" as a an expression to express surprise or annoyance.

- - -

I don't particularly have any problems saying Jesus Christ! other than to showing disrespect or taking his name in vain.
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: hawk99 on December 25, 2013, 09:11:52 AM
What is important is what we mean when we utter what we utter. The intention is the important thing.... not the etymology of the uttered word/expression. Then of course, there are expression, although innocently uttered, that we perhaps better refrain from using... like "bloody hell"... or worse...

Uttering 'jeez' doesn't mean we call on Jesus... and just because we celebrate Christmas it doesn't mean we believe Jesus was more than a human man, and it doesn't even mean we commemorate Jesus birth at all, whether as God incarnate or as just a human messenger.

Peace

Peace Zulf,

Of course you are correct, but I was not addressing intentions, only the definition, knowledge is king.

It did start off as an abbreviation of saying Jesus - but not saying "Oh Jesus" . . . and it is better than you sing "Jesus Christ" as a an expression to express surprise or annoyance.

- - -

I don't particularly have any problems saying Jesus Christ! other than to showing disrespect or taking his name in vain.

I understand your point, on the other hand, some may interpret it as you calling on other than God.


God bless

   :peace:
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Zulf on December 25, 2013, 03:03:27 PM
Peace Zulf,

Of course you are correct, but I was not addressing intentions, only the definition, knowledge is king.

I understand your point, on the other hand, some may interpret it as you calling on other than God.


God bless

   :peace:

Definitely agreed.
I felt I just wanted to exclaim my own idea. I fully understand your point of view. I often take a similar standpoint.

The tricky part is that we very often cannot know the other party's real motivation... we only guess, and then judge as per our own ideas and assumptions. This is what we all do. All "sides" accuse the "other side" based on conjecture. It's the trademark of the human being.

Peace and best wishes!
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: es on December 25, 2013, 07:49:59 PM
Like

Oh just make me resident poet!
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: noshirk on December 29, 2013, 04:45:34 AM
salaam brother ayman

i am really impressed by the success of your facebook page.
thank you for the work you are doing.

Peace
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: NielsJacob on January 02, 2014, 12:13:03 AM
Peace Ayman

I read the first chapters.
I couldn?t almost believe what I read.
Its like everything just falls into their places, where they was intended to be from the  beginning.

I think that you are one that make what we all really purposed to do: Trying to make the gods plan come through.
May he really use you a lot.

Wishing you all the best.
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: TheQuranAloneRevolution on February 04, 2014, 02:28:12 PM
Peace Ayman
I read most of the book and I have to say that it is thought provoking. I can agree with you on a lot of things, the only questions I have would concern the Masjid Idea; can it not be a physical and a mental thing?

Otherwise I can see where the 2 salat belief come from (you can interpret the "Guard your Salat (More than dual), as mean your lifetime, and not just daily because the end of the verse states to "stand in obedience (e.g in All of your salats = again lifetime, not just isolated). Also the Ramadan Summer timing is logical.

Again, the only need for more interpretation for me, concerns the Masjid and Qibla interpretation. I say so because after reading the Masjid interpretation in Arabic, you kind of stressed more on the mental acceptance (sujjud) of it, but you didn't completely reject the idea of a physical house/Bayt/Masjid, where people can recite the Almighty's verses, and thus come to obedience or sujjud. Would you be kind enough to enlighten me on that, can there not be such a physical place where there this mental obedience to the Almighty's words happen ? What about the Qibla being a physical focal point as a form of being organized?
 وَأَوْحَيْنَا إِلَىٰ مُوسَىٰ وَأَخِيهِ أَن تَبَوَّآ لِقَوْمِكُمَا بِمِصْرَ بُيُوتًا وَاجْعَلُوا بُيُوتَكُمْ قِبْلَةً وَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَبَشِّرِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ﴿يونس: ٨٧﴾

I appreciate your response, thanks.
Salam 3lek
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: GODsubmitter on February 06, 2014, 07:00:18 PM
Peace Ayman
I read most of the book and I have to say that it is thought provoking. I can agree with you on a lot of things, the only questions I have would concern the Masjid Idea; can it not be a physical and a mental thing?

Otherwise I can see where the 2 salat belief come from (you can interpret the "Guard your Salat (More than dual), as mean your lifetime, and not just daily because the end of the verse states to "stand in obedience (e.g in All of your salats = again lifetime, not just isolated). Also the Ramadan Summer timing is logical.

Again, the only need for more interpretation for me, concerns the Masjid and Qibla interpretation. I say so because after reading the Masjid interpretation in Arabic, you kind of stressed more on the mental acceptance (sujjud) of it, but you didn't completely reject the idea of a physical house/Bayt/Masjid, where people can recite the Almighty's verses, and thus come to obedience or sujjud. Would you be kind enough to enlighten me on that, can there not be such a physical place where there this mental obedience to the Almighty's words happen ? What about the Qibla being a physical focal point as a form of being organized?
 وَأَوْحَيْنَا إِلَىٰ مُوسَىٰ وَأَخِيهِ أَن تَبَوَّآ لِقَوْمِكُمَا بِمِصْرَ بُيُوتًا وَاجْعَلُوا بُيُوتَكُمْ قِبْلَةً وَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَبَشِّرِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ﴿يونس: ٨٧﴾

I appreciate your response, thanks.
Salam 3lek

Masjid & Quibla etc..
one should go to the roots... Torah... first was the tent of the meeting (mishkan) when you are in the desert (every-day's life turmoil) you connect to God "on the walking" (unfold the tent as so on) but, when you "build" the Temple (Salomon's) you do it on the rock, which is a solid ground of your inner peace and meditation.

So it is all in you, as God is mainly consciousness!
Same with Masjid, it is the "hajj" to the inner Self! (inner masjid)

As to Salat, here it is:

?As my prayer became more attentive and inward,
I had less to say.
I finally became completely silent.
I started to listen
-which is even further removed from speaking.
I first thought that praying entailed speaking.
I then learned that praying is hearing,
not merely being silent.
This is how it is.
To pray does not mean to listen to oneself speaking.
Prayer involves becoming silent,
and being silent,
and waiting until God is heard.?
                                                                      Soren Kierkegaard.

One should never forget that the Qur'an is the updated Bible, version 2.0 so to speak... :)

Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Wakas on February 07, 2014, 04:32:53 AM
peace all,

.....the only questions I have would concern the Masjid Idea; can it not be a physical and a mental thing?

Again, the only need for more interpretation for me, concerns the Masjid and Qibla interpretation. I say so because after reading the Masjid interpretation in Arabic, you kind of stressed more on the mental acceptance (sujjud) of it, but you didn't completely reject the idea of a physical house/Bayt/Masjid, where people can recite the Almighty's verses.......

Unfortunately for us, I am still waiting on bro Ayman to answer some questions on his view on "masjid" on this thread:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604467.msg319321#msg319321
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on February 08, 2014, 10:25:48 PM
i am really impressed by the success of your facebook page.
thank you for the work you are doing.

Thank you my dear brother noshirk. It is the god's blessing. It is also interesting that the vast majority (about 82%) of the page current 1.86 Million fans ae under 34 years old. So the future looks bright :).

Peace,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on February 08, 2014, 10:33:42 PM
Peace bro NielsJacob,

I read the first chapters.
I couldn?t almost believe what I read.
Its like everything just falls into their places, where they was intended to be from the  beginning.
I think that you are one that make what we all really purposed to do: Trying to make the gods plan come through.
May he really use you a lot.
Wishing you all the best.

Thank you for your kindness, your enouragement, and your sincere prayers. I am deeply touched by all of your words. Thank you for reminding all of us of our purpose to serve the god.

God bless you and all best wishes and peace my dear brother,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on February 08, 2014, 10:59:04 PM
I read most of the book and I have to say that it is thought provoking. I can agree with you on a lot of things, the only questions I have would concern the Masjid Idea; can it not be a physical and a mental thing?

The concept of "masjid" as an institution of the obedience encompasses both physical and mental aspects. It is the same as the institution of government encompasses both physical and mental aspects. I believe that "masjid" (institution of obedience) is conceptually synonymous with government (institution of authority that is to be obeyed). As with government, the primary aspect of "masjid" is a system and not just a physical building.

Otherwise I can see where the 2 salat belief come from (you can interpret the "Guard your Salat (More than dual), as mean your lifetime, and not just daily because the end of the verse states to "stand in obedience (e.g in All of your salats = again lifetime, not just isolated). Also the Ramadan Summer timing is logical.

Yes, the plural term "salawat" does not mean a certain number within 24 hours. This can also be seen from the following passage where the same exact word صَلَوَاتٌ occurs:

أُولَئِكَ عَلَيْهِمْ صَلَوَاتٌ مِّن رَّبِّهِمْ وَرَحْمَةٌ وَأُولَئِكَ هُمُ الْمُهْتَدُونَ

Again, the only need for more interpretation for me, concerns the Masjid and Qibla interpretation. I say so because after reading the Masjid interpretation in Arabic, you kind of stressed more on the mental acceptance (sujjud) of it, but you didn't completely reject the idea of a physical house/Bayt/Masjid, where people can recite the Almighty's verses, and thus come to obedience or sujjud. Would you be kind enough to enlighten me on that, can there not be such a physical place where there this mental obedience to the Almighty's words happen ? What about the Qibla being a physical focal point as a form of being organized?
 وَأَوْحَيْنَا إِلَىٰ مُوسَىٰ وَأَخِيهِ أَن تَبَوَّآ لِقَوْمِكُمَا بِمِصْرَ بُيُوتًا وَاجْعَلُوا بُيُوتَكُمْ قِبْلَةً وَأَقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَبَشِّرِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ﴿يونس: ٨٧﴾

Yes. The house (al-bayt) is the physical aspect. It is any place where no partners are setup with the god and where people can gather safely. Since "al-bayt" is a physical place then it is a direction/destination (qibla) that is also physical. The passage about the people of Moses instructs them to make their physical houses a destination.

I noticed that you have a Facebook page in English. I think the title of your page is really inspiring (ثورة القرآن وحده). The vast majority of the audience of my Facebook page are Arabic speakers. If you make your Facebook page in Arabic or both English and Arabic, then I can help you boost its audience by sharing it on my page.

Peace and all best wishes,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ayman on February 08, 2014, 11:05:38 PM
Peace bro Wakas,

Unfortunately for us, I am still waiting on bro Ayman to answer some questions on his view on "masjid" on this thread:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604467.msg319321#msg319321

I am not sure if you have revised your understanding of "masjid" meaning time of obedience. If you have not added anything new or revised your understanding then I am sure that the aspect of time would fit within the concept of "masjid" as an institution. Any institution has a system and time is an aspect of any system.

Peace and best regards,

Ayman
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Habibullah on February 09, 2014, 02:23:46 AM
May God bless you Ayman for your last posts, thank you for clarifying what the word masjid means!
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Wakas on February 09, 2014, 04:56:27 AM
peace brother Ayman,

I am not sure if you have revised your understanding of "masjid" meaning time of obedience. If you have not added anything new or revised your understanding then I am sure that the aspect of time would fit within the concept of "masjid" as an institution. Any institution has a system and time is an aspect of any system.

I have not changed anything since we last spoke about it (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604467.0).

Unfortunately, until you answer the questions I asked you over 14 months ago, we will never know if your view can fit with mine, or even if it makes sense within The Quran.
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Wilson on June 07, 2014, 03:38:10 PM
Peace,

For all those who can read and understand Arabic:
www.quran4peace.org
www.facebook.com/Quran4Peace

For all the rest:
www.quran4peace.org/en_index.html


Abdelilah
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Wilson on January 24, 2015, 09:13:08 AM
*bump*
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Wilson on November 24, 2015, 01:51:04 PM
In the name of the god, the almighty, the merciful
Read in the name of your lord who created.
He created man from a clot.
Read and your lord is the most generous,
who taught by the pen
He taught man what he didn?t know.
Nay, but verily man transgresses.
Upon seeing it he disregards it.
Surely to your lord is the return.
Have you seen him who forbids
a servant when he connects/learns?
Have you considered if he were on the guidance?
Or advocates forethoughtfulness?
Have you considered if he denies truth and turns his back?
Does he not know that the god sees?
Nay! if he does not desist, we would certainly smite his forehead, a lying, wrongful forehead.
Then let him summon his council,
We would summon the guardians.
Do not obey him, and submit/obey and draw near (me).
Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: Wilson on April 09, 2016, 07:23:37 PM
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Title: Re: New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran
Post by: ade_cool on July 27, 2019, 08:39:55 AM
Salam Ayman,

I just check the website: quran4peace.org

It seems the English version is not completed yet.

Looking forward to the English version.


Wassalam,
Ade