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Title: Beware of quranvshadith ( Support spreading the message)
Post by: KDC501 on December 09, 2011, 12:47:05 PM
Brothers and Sisters,

Some terrible news has reached me over a person who calls himself (or herself) QuranvsHadith who poses as a Quranist to rob people of there hard earn money claiming to be a poor person who has lots of children to feed and can't seem to get a job.


Here is his facebook page : http://www.facebook.com/QuranVsHadith?sk=wall

Here is this youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/quranvshadith

I will like to ask everyone to be cautious of this person and do not give him a cent of your money if he asks you for any!!!


A good friend of mine has been placed into a situation where they gave a lot of money to this devil and eventually found out too late that he was a fake quranist and a con artist!!!  This friend of mine was new to the Quranist movement and didn't know much about it. He manipulated my friend into giving him money


The news what I bring to you brothers and sisters is the truth as I have heard it from my friend. I ask you to please investigate my claims first (since this will be more righteous) and then spread the message. We need to warn all of our brethren on sister websites to keep away from this devil.

I humbly ask for your support as a fellow Monotheist who follows the teachings of the Quran. We need to warn as many people as possible


Peace,

Kevin
Title: Re: Beware of quranvshadith ( Support spreading the message)
Post by: KDC501 on December 09, 2011, 06:48:27 PM
Brothers and Sisters,

Some terrible news has reached me over a person who calls himself (or herself) QuranvsHadith who poses as a Quranist to rob people of there hard earn money claiming to be a poor person who has lots of children to feed and can't seem to get a job.


Here is his facebook page : http://www.facebook.com/QuranVsHadith?sk=wall

Here is this youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/quranvshadith

I will like to ask everyone to be cautious of this person and do not give him a cent of your money if he asks you for any!!!


A good friend of mine has been placed into a situation where they gave a lot of money to this devil and eventually found out too late that he was a fake quranist and a con artist!!!  This friend of mine was new to the Quranist movement and didn't know much about it. He manipulated my friend into giving him money


The news what I bring to you brothers and sisters is the truth as I have heard it from my friend. I ask you to please investigate my claims first (since this will be more righteous) and then spread the message. We need to warn all of our brethren on sister websites to keep away from this devil.

I humbly ask for your support as a fellow Monotheist who follows the teachings of the Quran. We need to warn as many people as possible


Peace,

Kevin


This is a repost for those who haven't read it.
Title: Re: Beware of quranvshadith ( Support spreading the message)
Post by: savage_carrot on December 09, 2011, 11:21:10 PM
I would like to investigate thus can you tell us more of what your friend experienced? How did they find out it was a scam? Is MrsQvh Qvh involved as well/ just a front (because that's deviously preplanned er, deviousness)?
Title: Re: Beware of quranvshadith ( Support spreading the message)
Post by: KDC501 on December 10, 2011, 07:26:21 AM
I would like to investigate thus can you tell us more of what your friend experienced? How did they find out it was a scam? Is MrsQvh Qvh involved as well/ just a front (because that's deviously preplanned er, deviousness)?


MrsQvh  is the  wife. But the her husband is the ringleader. Apparently there have been reports about these two people using the Quran Alone messages to manipulate newcomers who are new to the movement into giving them money. My friend went through a terrible ordeal since since my friend was new to movement and didn't know much about it.

My friend found out that it was a scam when they realized that they themselves were giving  sums of cash for example my friend gave $3000 US dollars in the space of some months , and also other people were giving a lot of money to "support the family" but the guy always said that he was poor and that his family didn't have much to eat etc etc....


Today I just got another email from a member of the forum which is a similar story about this guy and his wife .....


"This guy is from Pakistan he is married and has 2 kids, he is well educated guy, he has conned a Malaysian Lady , he has moved to Malaysia and is living with her with his 2 kids and wife, this Lady is not a rich woman , but completely under control of this guy. She is a Quran Alone follower . this is 100 % accurate report about this guy ."

"Salam Brother,
His wife's ID on FB is MrsQVH , and the woman they have conned, her FB ID is TILA .
100 % accurate information "


Verify the information.


I'll try and come back with some more info. But I will like some help spreading the message so that we can rid this devil off the net (if we can God willing). Again if any one comes in contact with these people please do not give them a cent of your money.


Peace,

Kevin.
Title: Re: Beware of quranvshadith ( Support spreading the message)
Post by: savage_carrot on December 10, 2011, 08:40:02 AM
We are working on a mass email to highlight the possibility of being scammed/manipulated by people using common interests to get close for benefits/favours, financial and otherwise. Raising awareness is what we can do, the rest is up to the people and common sense.

Personally, since I'm not really sure/aware of the actual circumstances of the hows/whys and so on, can't rightly say what the deal with the guy and his 'conned' living arrangements are. There have been people banned on this site for soliciting though, so please use the reporting function if you come across any such thing on the site.
Title: Re: Beware of quranvshadith ( Support spreading the message)
Post by: KDC501 on December 10, 2011, 10:57:54 AM
The man's name is Hasan Ansari.

http://www.prlog.org/10181279-american-family-stranded-in-pakistan.html

This man is using Quran Alone message to obtain money from the newcomers.

Recently he just infiltrated  free-minds.org

Here is his profile.  http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9855


God willing perhaps later today and tomorrow I will post up some more info. 

Peace,

Kevin
Title: Re: Beware of quranvshadith ( Support spreading the message)
Post by: Student of Allah on December 10, 2011, 11:43:00 AM
Shalom,

I am a subscriber of his youtube channel and blog. I subscribed because I find his works entertaining. He goes out of the way sometime to show that followers of hadiths are intellectually in the same level as retarded people. Which for me is not the way to spread the message of God. However, I did find a donation link in his blog. He never asked me to donate.

I don't really see how he is scamming. Let me give you an example. Lets say, I spend more than 10 hours everyday to produce videos to educate people about hadiths and Qur'an. That would have significant impact on my earnings. Right ? In that case, if I accept financial support from people that enjoys my works and are willing to support my cause, is that SCAMMING ?

He may or may not be a scammer. The link you provided says that there were "FALSE CHARGES" against him. How does that show that he is a scammer ? He was a victim. We need proper and raw evidence of what your friend claimed.

I am not supporting QuranVShadith, all I am trying to say is, I would hate it very very and very much to see people defaming "Student of Allah" online, specially in "Qur'an alone" circles without any evidence. If he is not what you claim he is, simply imagine the hardship his works will go through because of your "Hear say " allegations. I find that to be not-muslim like to do.

PEACE
------------------ Student of Allah
Title: Re: Beware of quranvshadith ( Support spreading the message)
Post by: Iznagen on December 10, 2011, 12:12:49 PM
Dear liar;

Know that Allah will fully judge you, and the proven hypocrite that have spread this rumor (the fake messenger Whereistruth). Do not forget the day of Judgement, because indeed, you will be taken into account for the lies that you have spread.

Title: Re: Beware of quranvshadith ( Support spreading the message)
Post by: Maha on December 10, 2011, 12:16:59 PM
Shalom,

I am a subscriber of his youtube channel and blog. I subscribed because I find his works entertaining. He goes out of the way sometime to show that followers of hadiths are intellectually in the same level as retarded people. Which for me is not the way to spread the message of God. However, I did find a donation link in his blog. He never asked me to donate.

I don't really see how he is scamming. Let me give you an example. Lets say, I spend more than 10 hours everyday to produce videos to educate people about hadiths and Qur'an. That would have significant impact on my earnings. Right ? In that case, if I accept financial support from people that enjoys my works and are willing to support my cause, is that SCAMMING ?

He may or may not be a scammer. The link you provided says that there were "FALSE CHARGES" against him. How does that show that he is a scammer ? He was a victim. We need proper and raw evidence of what your friend claimed.

I am not supporting QuranVShadith, all I am trying to say is, I would hate it very very and very much to see people defaming "Student of Allah" online, specially in "Qur'an alone" circles without any evidence. If he is not what you claim he is, simply imagine the hardship his works will go through because of your "Hear say " allegations. I find that to be not-muslim like to do.

PEACE
------------------ Student of Allah

Its not about ''supporting his cause'' neither did he ever claimed that. What he does is, that he beg money from people claiming that his children are starving for the past 6 years when he was kicked out from the USA on charges of terrorism. He uses his quranist channel in order to come in contact with gullible people. I saw some youtube videos warning others against him claiming that he cheated them for money, but however, they were always deleted after a couple of days because Hasan Ansari claimed that these exposing videos have put his childrens life in danger and that he and his children were receiving death threats from each and everyone due to the videos. In every case, it seems like there something really strange about him. And his video about ''hadither IQ'' is laughable just to be thrown out in the garbage :rotfl:
Title: Re: Beware of quranvshadith ( Support spreading the message)
Post by: KDC501 on December 10, 2011, 12:35:30 PM
Its not about ''supporting his cause'' neither did he ever claimed that. What he does is, that he beg money from people claiming that his children are starving for the past 6 years when he was kicked out from the USA on charges of terrorism. He uses his quranist channel in order to come in contact with gullible people. I saw some youtube videos warning others against him claiming that he cheated them for money, but however, they were always deleted after a couple of days because Hasan Ansari claimed that these exposing videos have put his childrens life in danger and that he and his children were receiving death threats from each and everyone due to the videos. In every case, it seems like there something really strange about him. And his video about ''hadither IQ'' is laughable just to be thrown out in the garbage :rotfl:


I've been hearing this story by other people as well who are in DIRECT CONTACT with him. Believe want you want to believe people. I ask that you verify what I bring to you and spread the word out. This man is manipulative. He has used the deen in order to gain money.

StudentOfAllah if you were in direct contact with him maybe you wouldn't be so quick to argue. I already know that we shouldn't spread rumors without proof. I'm getting all the information into order to post it here online.  So wait for it and then make a judgment yourself.

Dear liar;

Know that Allah will fully judge you, and the proven hypocrite that have spread this rumor (the fake messenger Whereistruth). Do not forget the day of Judgement, because indeed, you will be taken into account for the lies that you have spread.



Iznagen you sound like a person who is possessed.  Have you been in contact with this man(QuranvsHadith) ???

Peace,

Kevin
Title: Re: Beware of quranvshadith ( Support spreading the message)
Post by: The Dreamer on December 10, 2011, 12:48:45 PM
I can easily make 7 different internet accounts and trick people into thinking that I'm "other people" too. This is the internet. There's something called proxies. There's ability to create multiple accounts on Youtube and elsewhere. I can right now create 6 youtube/free-minds accounts with different IPs and say "I know John Smith personally, he's a liar and a rapist" "I've known John Smith since high school, he's severely psychotic" "I've known John Smith BWAH BWAH BWAH BWAH BWAAAAAAAH".

Get a life for Christ's sake.
Title: Re: Beware of quranvshadith ( Support spreading the message)
Post by: KDC501 on December 10, 2011, 01:47:50 PM
I just received a truck load of emails!! All original! Many of which I haven't read as yet!  Tomorrow God willing I will post ALL THE EVIDENCE for my claims and that of my friends which I prefer to keep anonymous.  Again anyone who comes in direct contact with this guy please do not give him any of your money. I ask of this because I care about my brothers and sisters ESPECIALLY the ones who are new to this deen who are easy prey to this sick manipulative devil.

Peace,

Kevin
Title: Re: Beware of quranvshadith ( Support spreading the message)
Post by: Student of Allah on December 10, 2011, 02:11:21 PM
Shalom,

Well, if you have "PROOF", then the best way should have been to present them with the allegation. You keeping your sources "anonymous" does not help the case. How do we know that you are not making it all up ? How do we trust your sources ? Especially that you want them to be "anonymous" !!

Let it be clear that I do get it , that probably the reason you cared to post is because you care about the community.

You seem to know alot about this person. Why not do this:

1. Gather your evidences and make sure they are evidences, not unverifiable claims like "The Dreamer" pointed out in this thread.
2. Contact him (he has a free-minds account as you claim)
3. Post your claim and ask him to defend. Notice that he has all the rights to chose to defend himself here or not, this in itself does not make him what you claim he is.

PEACE
----------------- Student of Allah
Title: Re: Beware of quranvshadith ( Support spreading the message)
Post by: KDC501 on December 10, 2011, 02:39:29 PM
Shalom,

Well, if you have "PROOF", then the best way should have been to present them with the allegation. You keeping your sources "anonymous" does not help the case. How do we know that you are not making it all up ? How do we trust your sources ? Especially that you want them to be "anonymous" !!

Let it be clear that I do get it , that probably the reason you cared to post is because you care about the community.

You seem to know alot about this person. Why not do this:

1. Gather your evidences and make sure they are evidences, not unverifiable claims like "The Dreamer" pointed out in this thread.
2. Contact him (he has a free-minds account as you claim)
3. Post your claim and ask him to defend. Notice that he has all the rights to chose to defend himself here or not, this in itself does not make him what you claim he is.

PEACE
----------------- Student of Allah

Brother I have long conversions from quranvshadith himself who is HASAN ANSARI . I even have pics of his family he sent in order to manipulate my friend into giving the money.  And I also have proof that money was sent between my friend and Hasan Ansari. If you want the evidence yourself message me your email I will forward it to you tomorrow. Not today. Before you go and destroy this important thread like a fool wait till I post the rest of evidence please!!! Keep your comments and suspicions to yourself. This is not a game . This is serious business! Wait for tomorrow.

Peace,

Kevin
Title: Re: Beware of quranvshadith ( Support spreading the message)
Post by: Maha on December 10, 2011, 03:43:57 PM
Shalom,

Well, if you have "PROOF", then the best way should have been to present them with the allegation. You keeping your sources "anonymous" does not help the case. How do we know that you are not making it all up ? How do we trust your sources ? Especially that you want them to be "anonymous" !!

Let it be clear that I do get it , that probably the reason you cared to post is because you care about the community.

You seem to know alot about this person. Why not do this:

1. Gather your evidences and make sure they are evidences, not unverifiable claims like "The Dreamer" pointed out in this thread.
2. Contact him (he has a free-minds account as you claim)
3. Post your claim and ask him to defend. Notice that he has all the rights to chose to defend himself here or not, this in itself does not make him what you claim he is.

PEACE
----------------- Student of Allah

Brother Student of Allah. I think what these guys are trying to, is to warn you not to give that quranvshadith money or take him serious. Simply because they care for our quran-alone siblings, and do not want anyone to harm them. But of course, in the end its a matter of personal choice and a matter of free will which God has blessed every human with. And it would help a lot if people used common sense before giving money to people they only know from the internet.

Peace
Title: Re: Beware of quranvshadith ( Support spreading the message)
Post by: Mrahil on December 10, 2011, 09:58:21 PM
Salam,

Guys before we make accusations, let us understand what the Qur'an says about investigating rumors. I know who Quranvshadith is, and his wife as well. And no Tila is not getting conned either.

Peace,

            Mrahil
Title: Re: Beware of quranvshadith ( Support spreading the message)
Post by: KDC501 on December 11, 2011, 07:35:43 AM
Dear brothers and sister,

Here some of the copies of the email.


His ideas on prostitution...


Subject: Re:
From: quranvshadith@gmail.com
To: susu20@live.dk

You own her :-)..
Please also contemplate what MUTA is... it is permitted in Shias as well as in shafai Sunni School of thought...and both of those groups point to the QURAN to prove that as well. :-)
Sister,
Like I have said before, this subject takes a LOT of OUT OF BOX thinking and we have been brought up in a culture where SEX has been made into something on which the world turns and is the most important thing..
This is the Christian Dogma which has been imported into ISLAM..
Many other cultures view sex differently, look at the Hindu religion, Budhism, Zorastianism, most of the sub African tribal relgions, Pacific Islanders, Eskimos etc. ALL have a very "liberal" view towards sex and has been ever.
Its a very difficult barrier to breach without being labeled a 1000 different things by most people... that is why I try to stay away from it. :-)
Oh by the way, Prostitution is the Oldest Profession in this world, and it did exist during the time of the Prophet, the Hadith talk about Spitting, and all sorts of Sexual things.. I dont see a SINGLE HADITH on Prostitution... what happened suddenly, with all the EVIL done by the PRE-ISLAMIC kuffar they did not indulge in Prostitution?
The ONLY VICE NOT mentioned in the HADITH. kinda strange is it not?

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Money being given....


From: susu20@live.dk
To: quranvshadith@gmail.com
Subject: Hello guys how are you
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 11:34:10 +0200

 Hello bhai how are you.. do you know Shabbir Ahmed? A pakistani who reject the hadith and wrote many books about that?
 
 And what do you think about Gary Miller, an Canadian covert, here is one article he wrote: http://www.themodernreligion.com/essays_Gary_Miller.htm
 
 Check it out and tell me your opinion. The page does not belong to him, its just some articles he wrote on this page which you can see on the link.
 
 Brother I was in the Western Union you can receive the money after one hour, the code is: 2044477725 and the amount should be 18 000 rupees.
 Tell me when you get them.

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From: susu20@live.dk
To: quranvshadith@gmail.com
Subject: RE: sorry we missed you
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 13:41:44 +0200

 hello bhai how are you sorry i was very busy with that mcdonalds work, I just begun to hate it in a way, and think I will leave it after some weeks. How is everything going, I am going to send the money tomorrow inshallah
 
 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:54:39 +0500
Subject: sorry we missed you
From: quranvshadith@gmail.com
To: susu20@live.dk

please let us know your schedule so we will try to be online.. if you want to talk..
we are on.. from around 8 AM to 10 PM Pakistan time.. if we are offline that means power outage..
 
 
Hasan

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Pornography permissible

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Dark Star . <susu20@live.dk> wrote:
Okay so you are saying americans are muslims? Abu ghraib, guantanamo, Bagram, and all their other shits are islam? And are you saying that guantanamo is not guantanamo because I saw it on TV?
 
I can also claim that Pakistan is the real islam, because they have values like helping the family, taking care of their elders etc.
 And have you been outside America or Pak? I can also claim that Denmark is the real muslim state. Dont you think there are hard working bangladeshis or hard working pakistanis or indians? or hard working europeans?
 
 Brother, are you saying pornography is permissible?
 
 Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 13:21:12 +0500
Subject: Re: Lectures of Dr. Mansoor

From: quranvshadith@gmail.com
To: susu20@live.dk

Being busy is a good thing.. :-)
Dr. Mansoor does have a lot of good points and it does make you think..
 
Ok, as far as "American mentality" you are talking about.. I do agree with Dr. Masoors views as well.. please do not make up your minds by watching tv or the news.  To find out what the actual American is like you have to go and live / work with them.
 
In my personal experince, I met MORE MUSLIMS there in America who did not belive in the QURAN than I have anywhere else in the world.
 
The real americans out there are the ones who have made that country so powerful.. they are respectful, honest, hardworking..
 
With the good comes the bad, the USA really hold their BILL OF RIGHTS very sacred.. (ALL those come right from the QURAN believe it or not)... and the 1st Amendment tells us that freedom of Speech can not be dictated by anyone.. and some people use that 1st Ammendment for Pornography...
 
Porno:  Another subject which you are viewing thru HADITHER EYES. and I will not discuss it further at this point :-)
 
The image you have of America is distorted.. After the bush era lot has changed but down at heart Americans are NOT what you potray them as..
 
Peace

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Last night brothers and sister, I guise myself under the name  William Dante on facebook. I was very polite I tried to ask him about these allegations of money being transferred to him and his views on marriage.

Five things were confirmed

1) He was a direct contact of my said friend
2) He  lied about being in contact for 18 months ago(these emails are a couple of months old)
3) Emails were sent( When I asked him about the allegations the first thing he said was "did you read that email. ")
4) He knew my contact's name (I didn't even mention it!!!)
5)It was confirmed that he spoke with my contact


THESE EMAILS ARE REAL!!!!!!


Brother Edip two days ago confronted him about the allegations instead he has now created a group against him!


These are the proofs I bring. Anyone who wants to see the originals can send me his or her email address.  I have personal information on him as well, pics, resume, the works. This is the real deal people.

However in order for you to get the emails you must be  a regular user on free-minds.org (at least minimum 600 posts) . Get the message out people. This man is no quranist. He uses the deen in order to get into the minds of those who he thinks he can control. 
 

Peace,

Kevin.
Title: Re: Beware of quranvshadith ( Support spreading the message)
Post by: Layth on December 11, 2011, 10:19:29 AM
Salam,

It is interesting to note that people who are into scamming others seem always "impressed" and "awed" by the American way of life...Perhaps because the founding fathers were able to scam an entire nation away from its native inhabitants  :giveup:

Anyway, too much personal information has been shared in this thread and I suggest that the thread be locked.