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Title: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on November 15, 2011, 04:44:59 PM
Peace dear brothers and sisters. I have been diagnosed with schizophrenia aprox about four and a half years ago. It started about over six years ago and the first diagnosis was psychotic(schizophrenia is a so called psychotic illness). Since I have had about seven episodes because I kept trying to get of medication and beat it naturally.

Some time after my third episode i started looking into Islam and I started praying suni way. I prayed for about six months and then I relapsed because I was again reducing my medication. This time when I relapsed I realised that I have to wright the wrongs that I have done in the past but I didn't make it. By that I meant go  to the police and telling them all the serious things that i dind that they might want to investigate. This is because I had criminal history for wich I pray to God to forgive me.

Now this was happening all in prison. Now just before I got  out I relapsed again and i contacted the police. Mind you I wasn't praying for a long time because after my fourth episode I didn't know what to believe in about God, but I did believe in God.

J have told the police some stuff, but not everything. I mean I was supose to come out, and after four years you do want out. However, I started trying to do now everything wright. I wasn't into drugs or anything else. Few times I went out but that's nothing.anyway I got sick about two years after I got out and I contacted the police and have told them more stuff. Stuff I thought wad serious but it turns out its not that serious after all. Two more times u went, all up four. Twice when sick and twice while well. All along i have been searching for the truth about God. I loked into may different religions.

Now the medication that they give you can take you away from the monotheistic God. Now I knew I had to be free from medication and illness in order to be able to work out truth about God. I also had to Do good and be truthful so I tried my best to be a better person.

Now my last episode ended in me  not taking the medication and I hit to the point were my past was geting to me so bad that I felt suicidal. So I made a mistake and I called the hospital. I wanted to admit my self to save my life. However one thing came back and that's the belief in the monotheistic God and in the Koran.So  I ended up taking medication that night and and the next morning and I was better but I started geting away to relaxed when it comes to God. So I thought I am going to try to stop it again and pray to God to heal me, to forgive me for my sins. I thought what if it hits me and I end up comiting suicide, because that semed as a risk. And then I made a decision and that is that I will take that risk because I want to not be taken away from my God. So this was next day as I was sick, now about fifteen minutes after making that decision I started thinking how a lot if stuff that I believe in while sick is impossible to be true. And another five or ten minutes and somehow everything went to normal. This was about two and a half weeks ago.

The problem now Is that I am on a community treatment order which means they can force me to take medication against my will. The nurse said that what happened in my case is extremely rare. That its very very unusual.

So I had to see a doctor and he said that because I had  many episodes I will relapse again. But the way I came out if episode also almost never happens.

Brothers and sisters I feel very good. The illness is gone. Now I a will have to fight psychiatrists who are no better than drug dealers sometimes. Wich means I could be locked up in a hospital any day now and forcibly injected even though that the nurse for instance admits that i apear right now as someone who is not mentally ill.

The reason I have told you this story is not egoistical. It's simply my experience if what I believe is God helping me when I start doing everything(or almost everything) right.

Now I have to wait and see what will the psychiatrists do.


Thanks

Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on November 16, 2011, 06:48:48 PM
Peace. I have just seen a doctor and a nurse and because I wasn't tuning away from them, because I kept you.g to the appointments and all they have agreed to not force me to take the medication.

I sugested to them that I euphoria maybe see them weekly and they agreed. I haven't been this happy in a long time all thanks to Gog.

Praise be to Allah, lord if the worlds.

Thanks
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: san on November 16, 2011, 09:53:14 PM
Peace. I have just seen a doctor and a nurse and because I wasn't tuning away from them, because I kept you.g to the appointments and all they have agreed to not force me to take the medication.

I sugested to them that I euphoria maybe see them weekly and they agreed. I haven't been this happy in a long time all thanks to Gog.

Praise be to Allah, lord if the worlds.

Thanks


My dear Ervin! Glad for the good news. I can only pray that you will get better and better.

Just don't burden yourself too hard with your past, OK? Don't you think God is the one who is the most understanding of you? I believe you're a good person, Ervin. And God knows more than I do.


Stay in peace, bro :)

Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: youssef4342 on November 17, 2011, 09:19:54 AM
Peace Ervin  :peace:
May the Almighty God Help you!

I would like to ask you, DO YOU HAVE DENTAL AMALGAMS (i.e TOOTH FILLINGS?) 

This is because Dental Amalgams (i.e tooth fillings, or "Silver fillings) are actually made of a varrying 50%+ Mercury.
Mercury is the Most toxic non-radioactive substance on earth, and dentists put it into people's highly volatile mouths! Even it's Vapors/Fummes are Toxic!). Mercury Causes SO MUCH DISEASES, because it effects Many Systems of the Body, even on an atomic level! (effecting Major Enzymes, Hormones (from insulin to PTH)

Please later read my article
RSVP: Toxic Mercury found in Dental Fillings
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602956.0

(I did not cite Schizophrenia, but i did cite Bi-polar disorderas " Mercury interferes with the Lithium ions in the brain. (Note: Lithium is a treatment to patients suffering from bipolar depression (manic depressive illness). Also Mercury can also effect your brain chemistry by interfering with yuor brain's chemical messengers, the neurtransmitters!

I MYSELF have problem because of my mercury fillings! I fell into a period of depression, and my brain fogged up (i.e i felt like a zombie walking around). This was ever since i was about 12, and the depression lasted till i was almost 17 (thanks be to God Almighty) when God ALmighty Guided me into believing in Him!
The only Link i find to my depression was my mercury fillings, because that was exactly about the same time (around age 11-12) i had about 3 mercury fillings done (not knowing or even giving conscent to the dangers of Mercury by the dentist!)

STILL TO THIS DAY, I HAVE BRAIN FOGG.  Eversince i stopped chewing less and less on the teeth with fillings, it got better ( let me till you where the filling was, was the side i used to always chew on!  The sadder thing is that EVEN food touching the fillings realeases toxic mercury vapor that gets released, and goes down into your body!!!)



Also here is an Abstract of another article about how Dental Amalgams may be a factor in Schizophrenia
Quote
Psychometric Evidence that Dental Amalgam Mercury May Be an Etiological Factor in Schizophrenia
R.L. SIBLERUD, M.S.; J. MOTL; E. KIENHOLZ,Ph.D.

Scores on the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory-2 (MMPl-2), the Millon Clinical Mulliaxial Inventory-11 (MCMI-1I), and Symptom Check List-90 (SCL-90) were compared before dental amalgam removal of eight schizophrenia. patients lo scores six months after amalgam removal. Significant improvement was found in forty-one of the sixty-one component scales of the MMPl-2 and twelve of the twenty subscales including schizophrenia, nysteria, paranoia, and anger. Sixteen of the twenty-five diagnostic scales improved significantly in the MCMt-ll including schizoid, anxiety disorders, thought disorders, and bipolar symptoms. Four of nine dimensions improved, significantly in the SCL-90 including depression, psychoticism, and obsessive-compulsive. Because dental amalgam. mercury can enter the brain and affect neurotransm.it.t.ers, Ihe authors hypothesis that removal of the mercury-laden fillings may have contributed to the improved mental health
http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/1999/abstracts/1999-v14n04-p201.shtml

Best Regards, & may God Almighty Heal Us  :peace:
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on November 19, 2011, 02:33:57 PM
Sorry for not answering your question earlier. Yes I do have tooth fillings but I supose so many other people have to. Schizophrenia afects aparently only one in hundred. While any mental illness is one in five so I have heard.

By the way I am good now Alhumdulilah. And InshAllah I will stay that way.

Thanks
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: IAMOP on November 20, 2011, 06:01:39 PM
Peace

Thank you for the great post!

It is a gift from ALLH, believe me! Schizophrenia is only a "bad" thing in a context of fear. God has selected you as a messenger/channeler/spiritual guide if you will to understand (I mean something very specific by that, do not get confused). Resisting this is futile and only increases your psychosis.

As a schizophrenic you are open to the higher dimensions of existence just being yourself. The jinn play with your mind, reclaim it!

Also youssef, I can relate EXACTLY to what you're saying. How do I go about removing these disgusting things? Just like you it was around 12 years old and the depression lifted at 17!
Peace
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: youssef4342 on November 22, 2011, 11:05:15 AM
Peace
Thank you for the great post!
It is a gift from ALLH, believe me! Schizophrenia is only a "bad" thing in a context of fear. God has selected you as a messenger/channeler/spiritual guide if you will to understand (I mean something very specific by that, do not get confused). Resisting this is futile and only increases your psychosis.
As a schizophrenic you are open to the higher dimensions of existence just being yourself. The jinn play with your mind, reclaim it!
Also youssef, I can relate EXACTLY to what you're saying. How do I go about removing these disgusting things? Just like you it was around 12 years old and the depression lifted at 17!
Peace


Peace  :peace:
To ERVIN
When exactly did you have your tooth filling, and when did you start to noticing the signs of the schizophrenia? Did it start around times where had those tooth fillings? or getting some vaccines/shots?
Now Thanks be to God ALmighty that it is gone, can you notice thing you did or contributions which might have had a positive affect on the betterment of your conditions? (like taking any alternative medications, vitamins, changed eating habits, changed life style in general?). Can you Link anything you've did that might have improved your condition?
I can only link your Schizophrenia to your tooth fillings. Mercury affects your body in so much various way, because it works even on an atomic level, changing the way your body works, from enzymes of digestion, to enzymes of the brain, to binding up with minerals in your body (from iron in hemoglobin, to iodine in thyroxin).
Also, mercury affects people in different ways, because some people's bodies' produce different amounts of different enzymes/catalists. There are (citing my feable knowledge), 3 forms of an enzyme(?) in the brain which basically "sweep"  the brain, and each on can detoxify mercury on a different level, and so, this is why there are varients of the affects of mercury within populations. Also, males tend to have worst reactions to mercury than females because testosterone enhances mercury' neurotoxicity)
Please read the article that i cited before, and if you are not convinced, please go yourself and study some bio-chemistry and the affects of mercury on your body.



To IAMOP
Peace!  :peace:
***Do not go to a conventional dentist, as they might drill through the fillings, which fill make thousands of chards of toxic mercury and realease more toxic mercury vapor, that will more likey make your condition worse! Mercury's affects can be permenent, so prevention is Key!)

The first thing you want to do is to chew LESS on the teeth that have the fillings (even touching the fillings releases mercury vapor (see for yourself http://www.tuberose.com/Mercury_Vapor_Video.html).
Second, see how many fillings do you have, if there is a tooth with more fillings than tooth material, then it would be logicall that you go get that tooth extracted. The rest of the teeth with a small (<30%) amount of mercury comparing to the tooth itself can logically be drilled out. You have to take precautions, again by trying to see if you can find a dentist who knows how to safely remove the toxic fillings (i.e using a dental dam, ventilation, wearing masks etc)
Third, you have to take precautions by taking supplements before you get your fillings drilled into, in order to try to remove them, again i have cited majority of them in the article below.
Fourth, after you have taken the fillings off, you can start a mercury detox

Again i cite to you the article that i posted, because it does have information on how to safely remove these mercury fillings, and what supplements to take near the bottom (before the "fun facts")
RSVP: Toxic Mercury found in Dental Fillings
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602956.0


***Please do not be sadened, I mean, God Almighty has in hand a new afterlife, and so if you cannot by means get these things done, pray to God for a better afterlife. Again as i've stated Prevention is Key. Once mercury is in your body, it will stay there forever, you can only get so much out of your body by chelation and detoxifying.
I even have my mercury filling still intact, Thank God, i only have 1 big one and 2 tiny ones, and i have seen the detremintale effects of it, as seen as depression and serious brain fog. Except if God Wills, there is a chance of me extracting that tooth with the covered fillings, the other two, i'm not sure, because again, drilling into mercury releases it, which can end up into your body too.


***Also, an idea that comes into my mind, is to try to "freeze" the mercury filling from the teeth  , since fillings are composed of various metals, mostley mercury, and so logically, you'd think that the metal filling would retract and reduce in size from the different composition of your teeth right? this way the fillings would/can be readily removed without having to drill into it, and most importantly, be removed as a whole, not in thousands of dangerous chards!
Mercury would easily freeze considering that it freezes just a few degrees before water does...
The Freezing medium i can think of is Liquid Nitrogen or dimethyl ether (DME), the later is "relatively non toxic).
One can easily get these as wart freezing treatments, (look at the ingredients). I am not recommending this as a treatment, but it is something thoughtful that with the Grace of God ALmighty, i thought of  :)

Peace  :peace: and may God almighty heal us ~
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on November 24, 2011, 02:41:10 PM
Peace Yusef. What I believe helped me wads going to the police and owning up to what I have done in the past since like I said, I have dine things. In about two and a half years I went four times. Also deciding  many years ago to turn to God. I have also given up smoking, drinking, drugs. I kept trying to come of the medication. I have been open to truth about God.

Last time I decided not to take the medication I did it for God(and me ofcourse). Well, obeying God is helping your self. I took a risk. Also not taking the medication in the past involved a lot of suffering.

Trying to do everything right, even if it means that I might be homeless for a time, or end up poor.

Just, simply trying to obey God as much as I can. Doing what's right and then worry about the consequences. Crying out to God, beging him to for forgiveness. Believing that its him who can remove the jins that are making me sick. Being certain of his existence and having no doubts. Believing in what he says in the Quran.

These are the things I did that I believe helped me Yusuf.

Last time I decided to stop medication wad after about a month if being sick. Just ad I got good I realised that in order to be able to think and stay with montheistic God i have to learn how tl live without the medication. But I was thinking what if i end up killing my self because only a day or two before i wanted to admit my self to a hospital because i felt suicidal because of the guilt that my illness used to bring on. Plus I thought, can I go through all the suffering again since its only been about a day that I was  better. So I thought well for God I am going to take a risk and about fifteen to to thirty minutes later everything went to normal. My illness that is supose to be incurable because of the amount if episodes I  have has desapeared. Now my plan was that if I get feeling all guilty again that I do everything I can to save my self. I wasn't  going for certain death.

These are the things that I believe helped me.

Also I believe God helped me in protecting me from the psychiatrists from locking me up and forcing medication on to me.

Also, some of the people i hurt in the past were criminals them selves, but what I did I had no right to do. And I believe I have been punished from God for that. In my case I turned to him. Now what I am trying to say is that you can't heart unjustly anyone. No mater who they are. You have to respect all good laws, if you don't agree with some then I believe you should openly disobey them. Not in secret.

Thanks



Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ikrame on November 24, 2011, 05:31:55 PM
very brave of you Ervin to own up your mistakes much respect and hope you will continue a healthy way of living.
peace
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on November 24, 2011, 05:56:48 PM
very brave of you Ervin to own up your mistakes much respect and hope you will continue a healthy way of living.
peace

Peace and Thanks Ikrame. Reasons I am telling this story is to encourage others towards good, that is towards God. It's not ego based God willing.

Thanks
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ikrame on November 25, 2011, 08:57:37 AM
Yes I understand it shows that getting out of your comfortzone and taking a risk by choosing the good and trusting in Allah that it will work out well does pay off. its just nice to read. peace
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: mmkhan on November 25, 2011, 01:39:03 PM
Salaam brother Ervin,

You are really very brave  :muscle: MashaAllah! May Allah help you and keep you happy and protected always.  :pr

25:68 وَ الَّذِیۡنَ لَا یَدۡعُوۡنَ مَعَ اللّٰہِ اِلٰـہًا اٰخَرَ وَ لَا یَقۡتُلُوۡنَ النَّفۡسَ الَّتِیۡ حَرَّمَ اللّٰہُ اِلَّا بِالۡحَقِّ وَ لَا یَزۡنُوۡنَ ۚ وَ مَنۡ یَّفۡعَلۡ ذٰلِکَ یَلۡقَ اَثَامًا
25:68    And those who do not call on any other god with God; nor do they take the life which God has made forbidden, except in justice; nor do they commit adultery. And whoever does will receive the punishment.

25:69 یُّضٰعَفۡ لَہُ الۡعَذَابُ یَوۡمَ الۡقِیٰمَۃِ وَ یَخۡلُدۡ فِیۡہٖ مُہَانًا
25:69    The retribution will be doubled for him on the Day of Judgment and he will abide in it in disgrace.

25:70 اِلَّا مَنۡ تَابَ وَ اٰمَنَ وَ عَمِلَ عَمَلًا صَالِحًا فَاُولٰٓئِکَ یُبَدِّلُ اللّٰہُ سَیِّاٰتِہِمۡ حَسَنٰتٍ ؕ وَ کَانَ اللّٰہُ غَفُوۡرًا رَّحِیۡمًا
25:70    Except for the one who repents and believes and does good works, for those God will replace their sins with good, and God is Forgiving, Merciful.

25:71 وَ مَنۡ تَابَ وَ عَمِلَ صَالِحًا فَاِنَّہٗ یَتُوۡبُ اِلَی اللّٰہِ مَتَابًا
25:71    And whoever repents, and does good, then he shall repent towards God a true repentance.


May Allah guide us all to His true path  :pr
Mohammed M. Khan
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on November 25, 2011, 03:43:26 PM
Peace and Thanks Khan. The good thing is not to give up on faith no mater what happens. It took me years to get to this. About six years and five months.

@Yusef. I fixed my teeth about 9 years ago and then again last year. Last year I had a reconstruction of one of the back teeth and about four other teeth. So I am assuming that I did get a fair bit if feeligs last year and about 9 years ago.

Thanks
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: mmkhan on November 26, 2011, 01:54:31 AM
Peace and Thanks Khan. The good thing is not to give up on faith no mater what happens. It took me years to get to this. About six years and five months.

Salaam brother Ervin,

I agree it always takes time to get to this understanding. But MashaAllah, by Allah's grace you are on track.

May Allah keep us all guided on His path  :pr
Mohammed M. Khan
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: IAMOP on November 28, 2011, 12:33:01 AM
Peace

Have you heard of orthomolecular therapy? Sounds like it might just do the job:
http://www.4optimallife.com/Alternative-Medicines-Cures-For-Schizophrenia-Mental-Illness.html
http://orthomolecular.org/history/hoffer/index.shtml
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: youssef4342 on November 29, 2011, 12:16:50 PM
@Yusef. I fixed my teeth about 9 years ago and then again last year. Last year I had a reconstruction of one of the back teeth and about four other teeth. So I am assuming that I did get a fair bit if feeligs last year and about 9 years ago.
Thanks
Peace Ervin  :peace:
Thanks for sharing this. Can you provid more details on what was done? was it a removal of fillings? or exchanging new filling material? etc?

Also to IAMOP
I have found that by supplementing with Epsom Salt (Magnesium Sulfate), Helps out with my concentration, and general well being/ feeling).You only need about 1/4 to 1/2 tsp (that's teaspoon) a day, which has about rounded up to near 100, 500mg of magnesium. It does not taste very tasty, it's not like regular salt (NaCl). It's easier to dilutte in water and drink it, or add it into cooking, like rice.
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on November 30, 2011, 08:17:38 PM
Peace dear brothers and sisters.

I have just come back from the meeting that I had with the psychiatric nurse, a student trainee from some university and a psychologist since at the moment I am suposed to see them once a week. And I had a litle argument.

The psych nurse told me that dr C..... is certain that I need to be on medication. That is the same doctor that that told me that he want force me to take medication about two weeks ago.

My argument was that there is nothing wrong with me wich is what they have confirmed last week and on other ocasions.(there argument weeks ago was because of my past I am certain to relapse based on rthe statistics). My answer was no, I am not going to take it voluntarily.

So then they asked what are my plans for the future? So I said that I am planing that in about two or three months when everything is fine I start looking for work. So they went like: Why don't you look for work now if nothing is wrong with you. I said because I need to get you guys of my back. I have explained that I am not going to go to an employer and ofer my self when they can turn any day andf lock me up in a hospital since I am on a comunity treatment order. Because that would be unfair to the employer.

They went on saying that the cto(comunity treatment order) is not going away and how I can chalenge it at the tribunal. I asked the psychologist, do you think that I need the medication, i told her that I am not paranoid, that I have no symptoms. But she said that two doctors have said that I need to be on medication. Then they reminded me how this is the law and psychiatrists are psychiatrists. My answer was that nazis in the second world war were just following orders and obeying law.

I got a bit upset at this time because of the dirty tactic that they were employing so I turned around and I have told him never will I voluntarily take the medication because I don't need it any more and I Them I will fight you all the way( I forgot to ad God willing, may God forgive me for that). And that was it.

Anyway I will keep you posted God willing. Just have in mind if I desapear for a while than I am going to be most likely locked up in a hospital( I think its called Royal Melbourne Hospital).

Ok Yusuf, I can't remember exactly what I had done about 9 years ago on my teeth. I think it included 3 of 4 fillings and one reconstruction. And last year I have had four teeth filled or should I say widened( I don't know the terminology for what exactly I had done) One recostruction wich I believe included a filling.

And for the end I want to ask God to help us all in being good muslims. And a reminder that we should all pray for each other on regular basis!

THanks
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: youssef4342 on December 02, 2011, 07:57:18 AM
Peace Evrin  :peace:
Oh Ervin! May God Almighty Support you! How Opressive are these doctors! And oh from my experiance, being forced to succum to take the swine flu vaccine was just somewhat......
Opression is worst than murder!!!
Opression is worst than murder!!!
Opression is worst than murder!!!
May God Almighty Dismantel all of the tyrants and opressors of the World!
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: IAMOP on December 03, 2011, 02:48:24 PM
Peace Ervin

I have several leads for you to follow:

Copper toxicity
Kynurenic acid (KYNA)
Pyroluria
Gluten allergy

All of these are interlinked. KYNA is responsible for the neurodegenerative effects of schizophrenia, it is one of the main culprits. As for pyroluria, there is something called Mauve Factor (Kryptopyrrole) which is generated in excess quantities in 20% of schizophrenics. This binds to Vitamin B6 and Zinc making them flush themselves out of the body. As you can imagine, this is bad and leads to adrenal imbalance, fatigue, psychosis, paranoia, etc.

So what I have worked out today is that schizophrenia doesn't actually exist. It is a bunch of blood disorders and heavy metal toxicities and nutritional deficiencies that are representative of the poor standards of modern day processed foods. This is supported by the fact that schizophrenia is far more predominant in urban environments than in rural settings whereby people are far more likely to recieve a good fresh diet. The good thing is that using Piracetam, Omega 3, Vitamin B6, B3, Zinc, Manganese supplementation, you can recover and go on as you used to. Look into orthomolecular medicine.

The worst thing is that drug companies have suppressed this knowledge intentionally under the ludicrous concept of "dopamine/glutamate hypothesis". The modern day medical modus operandi is clear: Create a tree of "problems" that never existed in the first place and sell copious amounts of substances that solve individual symptoms one at a time. It is absolutely disgusting what these people are subjecting humanity to and I now understand the creator's anger and creation of the Hell fire. It is truly in supreme justice and wisdom.

Peace and may God guide you to the solution of your problem!
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: youssef4342 on December 05, 2011, 12:52:38 PM
Nicely put IAMOP!
I would also think that nutritional deficiencies and Heavy Metal Toxicity might be a factor.
Especially mercury, as it can bind to many important minerals and hormones in your body.
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: IAMOP on December 07, 2011, 04:31:48 PM
We need to find anti-mercury :)

Mercury commonly refers to:

    Mercury (element) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(element)), the metal and chemical element
    Mercury (planet) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(planet)), the planet nearest to the Sun in the Solar System
    Mercury (mythology) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(mythology)), a Roman god

Peace
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on December 07, 2011, 09:13:08 PM
Peace dear brothers and sisters in the system and others. I have had a meeting with a psychiatrist and a psych nurse tis morning.

Aparently they had a meeting last night, Some sort of a risk team that consists of some profesor and others who is like a senior to this psychiatrist who is on the cat team whom I am dealing with now.

They made it clear that this profesors opinion is that I need to take the medication since I had seven episodes there is no way I can recover. I have asked them: Do people normaly come out of psychosis like I do. He said no.

Now I got a bit argumentative because of last week( see post 16 for that). I called the corupt and what not. I have also made it clear that I am not going to take their so called medication.

In the end he said I am revoking your CTO(community treatment order), wich means that they are suposed to arest me now and forcibly drug me even though I am not sick.

The way I see it is that they are no diferent than criminals who are trying to destroy evidence, because I am slowly proving to them that You can beat this illness even after seven episodes let alone 4. Now if they arest me and drug me, there is no evidence that you can recover.

At the same time they told me that I have booked hearing (people who have the power to put or take you of the cto) for the 16 of this month.

So I have to weight and see what happens.

No mater what happens, I pray to God that I do the right thing no mater what all the way.

Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: AlFajr on December 07, 2011, 11:47:23 PM
Peace bro Ervin,
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=Involuntary+patients&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CC0QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.health.vic.gov.au%2Fmentalhealth%2Fpatientrights%2Fdownloads%2Finvol-patient.pdf&ei=K13gTuXdE4uaiQeLwICMAQ&usg=AFQjCNGOVqz5QZpsDJpSjVxKbWEk22a9TA
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: youssef4342 on December 08, 2011, 09:18:39 AM
Peace Ervin  :peace:
Fight them back Ervin!
"And those who, when tyranny strikes them, they defend themselves" (42:39)
As the Member above cited the booklet, can you request a second advice from a different psychiatrist?, or complain about your treatment?

If he agreed that people do not normaly come out of psychosis like you did, then request a second evaluation.
Keep Delaying their hearing, and at your upcoming hearing, just speak nicely to them, and maybe ask to see how long you can go  without the medication.
Pray to God Ervin, Pray to God that they would release you from their shackles!  May God Almighty Support you!
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Bender on December 08, 2011, 09:50:27 AM

No mater what happens, I pray to God that I do the right thing no mater what all the way.

Salaam Ervin,

May Allah help you :pr and show you the right way how to handle this  :pr
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: mmkhan on December 08, 2011, 12:08:24 PM
Salaam brother Ervin,

Please understand the following aayaats carefully.

6:63 قُلۡ مَنۡ یُّنَجِّیۡکُمۡ مِّنۡ ظُلُمٰتِ الۡبَرِّ وَ الۡبَحۡرِ تَدۡعُوۡنَہٗ تَضَرُّعًا وَّ خُفۡیَۃً ۚ لَئِنۡ اَنۡجٰىنَا مِنۡ ہٰذِہٖ لَنَکُوۡنَنَّ مِنَ الشّٰکِرِیۡنَ
6:63    Say: "Who rescues you from the darkness of the land and the sea?" You call on Him in humility and in secret: "If You save us from this, we will be of the thankful!"

6:64 قُلِ اللّٰہُ یُنَجِّیۡکُمۡ مِّنۡہَا وَ مِنۡ کُلِّ کَرۡبٍ ثُمَّ اَنۡتُمۡ تُشۡرِکُوۡنَ
6:64    Say: "Allah will save you from it and from all affliction, yet you will still set up partners!"


Keep your believe strong on Allah and trust Him and rely on Him completely, inshaAllah He will surely help you.


65:2 فَاِذَا بَلَغۡنَ اَجَلَہُنَّ فَاَمۡسِکُوۡہُنَّ بِمَعۡرُوۡفٍ اَوۡ فَارِقُوۡہُنَّ بِمَعۡرُوۡفٍ وَّ اَشۡہِدُوۡا ذَوَیۡ عَدۡلٍ مِّنۡکُمۡ وَ اَقِیۡمُوا الشَّہَادَۃَ لِلّٰہِ ؕ ذٰلِکُمۡ یُوۡعَظُ بِہٖ مَنۡ کَانَ یُؤۡمِنُ بِاللّٰہِ وَ الۡیَوۡمِ الۡاٰخِرِ ۬ؕ وَ مَنۡ یَّتَّقِ اللّٰہَ یَجۡعَلۡ لَّہٗ مَخۡرَجًا
65:2 And when they have [nearly] fulfilled their term, either retain them according to acceptable terms or part with them according to acceptable terms. And bring to witness two just men from among you and establish the testimony for [the acceptance of] Allah. That is instructed to whoever should believe in Allah and the Last day. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him  a way out.


May Allah help you and guide us all to the truth  :pr
mmKhan
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on December 09, 2011, 02:14:12 AM
Peace brothers and sisters. Thank you very much for your suport. It's much needed.

I believe that I have posted all these posts for the right reasons. I believe that the only time one should talk about his good deeds that he Did is if he is not doing it to boost his ego but to help others wich is helping your self. Also, I wanted to get this story out in case they lock me up and to educate people about the truth of this illness.

But remember brothers and sisters and everyone else it was God the most mercifull who made me to do all those things. He saved me from the disaster that I was  heading for.

Some
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: youssef4342 on December 09, 2011, 08:41:01 AM
Peace Ervin  :peace:
The believers are Allies of one another
It is good that you shared your story. Cases of Injustice and tyranny should be made well known. Tell the Whole world. People  will be more likely to get the message to stand up for their basic Human rights and Freedom.

A not to MMKHAN, "fear"(یَّتَّقِ ) in 65:2, would be better translated as "revere". This is because the word fear is actually translated in the Quran as (يخشي), as in verse 33:7. So in the sense, it is whoever Reveres God Almighty (e.g by following commandments, not transgressing, doing what's right in general etc.)
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on December 17, 2011, 12:20:13 AM
Peace , I am in a hospital, they wrested me last Sunday. They. Have injected me. I am going to resist talking to doctors. I am talking to nurses though. I normaly don't have access to the internet , this is rare.

Pray tor me. I am at Royal Melbourne hospital.

Thanks
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: AlFajr on December 17, 2011, 01:06:06 AM
Peace all,
Just spoke to Ervin. He has been drugged but he is exact the same person I spoke to previously thank God. However he does feel the effects of the drugs.

Unfortunately they got Ervin because he mentioned God too much during an interview (in which he was asked to tell the story of how he became better - he told the truth) and he was in an elevated mood (who would not get elevated telling how they got cured by God?). Apparently the combination of the two is psychosis.

Also I heard an audio recording involving Ervin and some doctors. Where Ervin mentioned that 99.99% of people never recover according to what one of the doctors had previously said (Ervin was posing the question: what if he was that 0.01%?). The doctor then denied he would give out statistics to patients.

Inshaallah I will post more as I receive it or remember it.

Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on December 21, 2011, 03:04:30 AM
Peace everyone. Thanks for keeping me in your thoughts and prayers or just for reading this post(I am going to list this on a few diferent forums) One thing I remember from around the time when I got better is that I prayed to God to forgive me for everything bad I have done. Having in mind especially the serious acts of sins that i have comited.

Anyway, i have been released from hospital yesterday. While in there they have injected me with five injections all up. Three long lasting injections and two short lasting instead of tablets that I refused. So about four times they had to get the security guards and turn me around or cary me to the bedroom where they have held me down puled my pants down and injected me.

I feel drugged now. I sleep a lot and i am not in touch with my feelings such as love and faith as I am without drugs.

On the day I got arested( Sunday week and a half ago) I got questined by a psychiatrist and she swid that my mood is a lurked bit elevated and that I go on about religion a bit too much.

First if all I was just arested and I new that they will inject me with drugs wich are very harmful wich i dont need any more. Now taking that into consideration my mood aught to be elevated. Also I will admit that without the drugs I am more in touch with my feelings. And second she did ask me about my journey from when I got sick and I told her about how I changed my beliefs more than once and how and what I believe in. I am etill very much mindfull of God iregardles of how much drugs they have given me.

Because I am not unwell they can't keep me in a hospital. The only reason they didn't release me earlier is because I ridnt want to talk with them until yesterday. Now they say that if I refuse drugs they will send the piluce every two weeks to get me and take me to mental health clinic called Waratah wich is situated in a suburb called Moines Ponds in Melbourne.

Its hard when they take away your right to being mindful of God and to chose what goes into your body. If this is not a proof of the existence of the devil and his demons therefore the existence of evil under false pretence of good then I don't know what is.

Thanks
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: IAMOP on December 21, 2011, 09:52:45 AM
Peace brother

Get your hands on some niacin (controls histamine & acetylcholine levels: controls sedation and activeness), omega 3 fish oil (one of the main problems of schizophrenia is degeneration of the phospholipid membranes in the brain) and some manganese (neuroleptic dyskinesias are caused by manganese deficiency see this (http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/1976/pdf/1976-v05n01-p004.pdf)). While these won't reverse the effects of the neuroleptics they will make life far more bearable. Hope all goes well.
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on December 22, 2011, 03:05:43 AM
Peace everyone. One of the bigest reasons that I can't stand these drugs they are forcing me to take are the side effects like an anxiety disorder that has hit me hard tonight. These side effects are living hell on earth and yet the psychiatrists don't care about those.

I think they have serious issues with being evil, cowardly and simply a bunch of bad drug pushers.

Thanks
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on January 01, 2012, 02:00:48 AM
Peace. I have been contamplaiting and doing what I have been doing and I am back at my personal beliefs. I am back on medication but that's not it since I haven't been sick when they forcibly injected me at John Cade unit at Royal Melbourne Hospital.

I am back in believing in an infinitely compassionate and loving God. I also believe in the existence of evil forces such as the devil.

In a way I am like an omnist. If you Google omnism you will find that they believe that there is some truth in all religions.

I still stand with the fact that I wasn't sick when they injected me. When I got sick I become a Sunni, then when I got better on that night I become quran alone straight away. Now with a litle bit of contemplating I am back to my personal beliefs. I think this time for good hopefully because my illness is gone.

Thanks
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on January 03, 2012, 07:37:54 AM
Peace. by the way the following is a link to my Facebook account if anyone wants to see who I am or be my Facebook friend.

 http://m.facebook.com/home.php?refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2F&refid=8&_rdr#!/profile.php?__user=100000866088564


Thanks
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on January 08, 2012, 10:02:44 AM
I have to point out one very important thing from the night that I got better. Moments before I got better I started thinking that some of my conspiracy beliefs are probably true(in reality they weren't) but that things like Hollywood movies could not have been made for me. This is since when sick that's what I would believe. I did believe that there was a conection but did not believe that they were made for me.

Now think about it. Isn't it a preaty egoistic thing to believe that everything is about you. Even though i would believe that everybody hates me and it would give me grief, still it wad egoistical to believe in that.

Once I realised that in moments my illness was gone. I also admit that prior to that I did think I will take a risk in not taking the medication so that I can see the truth of everything that's possible for me to know. Like at the time it wad the truth about God that was most important to me.

Anyway, I would highly recomend a book called A NEW EARTH BY Eckhart Tolle. In it he talks about paranoid schizophrenia in particular. Also I would higly recomend him to everyone else. Not just those interested in schizophrenia.

Thanks
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: AlFajr on January 22, 2012, 04:18:06 AM
Peace all,
Ervin is planning to lodge an appeal.

For those interested.
Some Audio
http://involuntarytreatmentcase.com/

http://behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/forum/telling-your-story-group1/tell-your-story-and-discuss-with-others-forum1/force-someone-to-change-his-religion-thread3/#postid-4

Any ideas would be appreciated.
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: AlFajr on January 26, 2012, 05:23:52 AM
This document has been written on behalf of Ervin P. to provide an approximate account of his psychiatric treatment experience with particular note to the year 2011 during which time Ervin was fulfilling the requirements of his Community Treatment Order. We hope we can convince an organisation or person of influence that Ervin has suffered an inappropriate level of inflexibility in the imposing of medication on him even though it was acknowledged by his Carers that he had naturally recovered from the illness being treated.

It must be stated that neither Ervin nor I have access to any relevant personnel or medical records so all events are based on Ervin?s memory but can be verified at the institutes in which he received treatment. To respect the privacy of individuals involved, names have been omitted from this document.

He first began receiving medication in 2005 when after a psychotic episode he voluntarily sought help at the Werribee Mercy Hospital Psychiatric Unit. He spent around one week there and was released with some medication.

Over the next few years Ervin was incarcerated for crimes which he committed while he was mentally well. This put him under the care of the Melbourne Assessment Prison ? Acute Assessment Unit.

He attempted to cease medication on a number of occasions unsuccessfully and relapsed approximately once a year (4 episodes in which he committed no crimes and was not a danger to others). During these years Ervin had not taken any illicit substances although on 3 occasions had consumed alcohol and while intoxicated his recollection was faulty so he claims he cannot be 100% certain.

In early 2010, for the first time he decided to confess his crimes while he was unwell. Upon his release the psychologists he worked with during his six months of incarceration classified him a ?Low Risk? of reoffending which is the minimum level of risk available.

Community Treatment Order 2011
Early 2011
-   He experienced a family crisis and took illicit substances for the first time in 7 years.
-   Around 2 weeks later he became unwell again and made another police confession.
-   He spent around a week and a half at the Werribee Mercy Hospital Psychiatric Unit and was placed on a Community Treatment Order.
-   He began attending weekly meetings with the CAT team at Saltwater Mental Health Clinic.
          o   During this time he complained to Dr. Juliana that antipsychotics were making him feel suicidal. He was told he had to take them regardless of the anxiety he felt.
-   He made two further confessions to the police while well.
-   He made an unofficial complaint that he had only been informed of a Mental Review Board Hearing 2 hours before it was scheduled to occur.
September 2011
-   He made an unofficial complaint that he had only been informed of a Mental Review Board Hearing 6 days after it was scheduled to occur.
October 2011
-   Ervin can no longer stand the effects of the antipsychotics so he makes a desperate choice to break off completely and attempt to face his Psychosis. He is able to naturally come out of his Psychosis. Ervin believes recover was due to the police confessions he had been making and also his religious faith.

November 2011
-   At this stage Ervin has changed his place of residency and is seeing the CAT team at the Inner West Mental Health Service Waratah Clinic.
-   Owing to his obvious recovery, Ervin makes a verbal agreement with the CAT team that he is no longer required to take antipsychotic medication on the condition that he does not take illicit drugs.

December 2011
-   Ervin meets with the CAT team who ask him why he has no job if he is well. This makes Ervin feel that they are ?blackmailing?/insinuating that he was not being honest with them. He is told that they were considering placing him on medication again.
-   I Almunther spoke to Ervin after he had been off medication for roughly two months and had been out of psychosis for forty days. In my unprofessional opinion he seemed completely normal and his beliefs regarding Religion and a Monotheistic Deity were not in any way harmful to a tolerant society and are in line with my own beliefs. He does have a passion for his Religion, but in my opinion his mood was less ?elevated? than people you see on the Religious Channels on Cable Television. I believe he was in a recovered state as we spoke at length about his situation and he seemed normal.
-   At a subsequent CAT team meeting, Ervin is informed that the Clinical Risk Management Team met and they came to the conclusion that Ervin was at a high risk of relapse and would either take medication voluntarily or have his CTO revoked.
          o   He argues that he was told 0.01% of people recover and never relapse again but the CAT team denies every disclosing such statistics.
          o   He is told that he will have the opportunity to talk at the Mental Health Review Board meeting scheduled less than a week after.
                       Having been told his CTO will be revoked, he is not going to have the opportunity to attend it.
          o   He is offered the option of weaker medication if he complies.
                       Owing to the circumstances of his recovery Ervin believes medication can only harm his recovery and refuses to voluntarily take it.
                       He expresses his disappointment that they are going to force him to take medication purely as a preventative measure even though he is strongly opposed to the action and is not even ill.
-   On December 10th, Ervin is forcibly removed from his home and taken to the John Cade Unit of the Royal Melbourne Hospital. While at John Cade Unit:
          o   Day 1- He is informed by one of the doctors that he has psychosis because he talked about religion too much and had an elevated mood.
                       Ervin argues that his mood was elevated due to the dramatic escalation of events that led to his hospitalisation. And argues he should not have been hospitalised as he was not ill.
          o   Day 2 - he meets with a doctor.
                       Ervin walks out during the meeting disappointed with the doctor?s refusal to let him seek alternate treatments options and having determined that the sole purpose of the meeting was to determine the amount of medication required.
                       Ervin is forcibly administered 50ml of Zuclopenthixol
          o   Day 3 ? Ervin is forcibly administered 200ml of Zuclopenthixol
          o   Day 6 ? Ervin has up till now refused to talk to doctors due to his disapproval of the entire affair.
                       While being forcibly administered 300ml of Zuclopenthixol he is told he should cooperate or he will simply be diagnosed with Paranoia and given larger doses of medication.
          o   Day 7 ? Ervin decides to talk to doctors.
-   On December 15th Ervin misses the Mental Health Review Board meeting due to his hospitalisation and revocation of his CTO.
-   Upon release the next day Ervin?s friend refuses to allow him to ride a bicycle due to his lack of alertness. Over the next few days he hears comments from his friend that his behaviour has changed. I too noticed he seemed more apathetic about life.
-    Ervin suffers anxiety attacks and considers suicide, he resorts to antidepressants.

Having described his situation, Ervin and I would like to express our dissatisfaction with the level of care provided and point to a few shortcomings:
-   Mental Review Board Hearing
          o   was told about a hearing 2 hours before. Giving him insufficient time to access Legal Representation;
          o   was told about a hearing after the actual event date and time had passed.  Causing him to miss the hearing and potentially have a negative impact on his compliance record;
          o   had his CTO revoked a few days prior to the hearing. He had been told during the CAT team meeting that he would be able to attend it. This is an example of the disconnect between what patients are told and what actually occurs.
-   He made an agreement with his Carers to not take illicit substances if they did not medicate him which they recanted without warning or reason.
-   Ervin claims to have been given statistical information that 99.99% of patients never recover after multiple relapses. This discussion was denied to have ever happened. Such disagreements could be easily refuted if all correspondence between clients and service providers were documented and recorded.
-   Ervin felt staffs were insinuating that he was lying about his recovery and reformed character. As there is no means of determining how clients are being treated by their Carers, this also builds a case for greater transparency and integrity during all interactions between clients and service providers.
-   There appears to be no appeal process for the revoking of his CTO.
-   Talking too much about religion and elevated mood were the reasons given for his re-diagnosis of psychosis which according to the Mental Health Act appear insufficient criteria in determining mental illness.
-   Forced Drugging ? At his time in John Cade Medical Unit, Ervin was complying with all instructions. However Ervin refused to talk to doctors and this caused them to inject additional amounts of anti-psychotics. These drugs affect Ervin?s negatively, inducing severe anxiety and suicidal inclinations. Nurses at the Unit commented that Ervin did not appear to have any illness so this seems an extreme measure just to get someone to talk against their will. Ervin and I believe antipsychotics have long term effects that are damaging and should not be administered just to make someone talk. We are also shocked at the level of the dosages.

It is our hope that we have provided enough detail to prompt an investigation or spark interest in this case.

Please feel free to add Ervin on facebook and support him:
Ervin P - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000866088564
Almunther A
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on April 27, 2012, 02:10:52 AM
I have found out that the psychs will I think never let you voluntarily "quit" their help and their drugs. Also the mental health review board will only take you of the community treatment order if you say and convince them that you believe that you can't live a good, safe, etc life without their drugs wich means that they only exist to give people a false sense of us having rights because the doctors psychiatrists can take you of the order without the board.

Someone who knows has told me that the only way to get them and their drugs out of your life is to contest their decision(wich is always the same for everyone) at s court called VCAT wich is situated in Melbourne city and it will take a considerable time and many appeals before it can happen.

Thanks
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: youssef4342 on April 28, 2012, 11:02:30 AM
Thank you for sharing, keep it up with informing us and your updates.
May God Almighty support you!
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on May 13, 2012, 01:04:31 AM
Thank you for sharing, keep it up with informing us and your updates.
May God Almighty support you!

You are welcome Youssef and thank you too.

The following is a defence Al(Al Fajr) has written on my behalf. It's a defence for the mental health review board who rejected my plea about two months ago and have kept me on the order:

 Reasons why Ervin should not be forced to take Antipsychotics

Addressing the relevant sections of the Mental Health Act:

Section 8(1)(a) ?The person appears to be mentally ill

Ervin believes God healed him and he appears well, which is why he decided to cease taking antipsychotics. He was off antipsychotics for a number of months and this was known to his Psychologist and the CATT team. Initially the team at North Western Mental Health had no issues with this and Ervin was told as long as he did not take illegal drugs he could continue down this course. However it was later decided that this was unacceptable and he was hospitalised at the Royal Melbourne Hospital.

While there, it was determined that he had ?relapsed? This diagnosis should be re-examined as exclusionary condition s8(2) lists that expressing a religious opinion cannot be the sole reason for diagnosing mental illness. He was told he had relapsed because he spoke about Religion too much and had an elevated mood.

Regarding his speech on Religion

Ervin believes that God helped him recover from Schizophrenia. His beliefs are not symptoms of a delusion, but a common human experience i.e. that God is responsible for healing an ailment.. Unfortunately for Ervin, acknowledging God has led to him being forced into taking the antipsychotics; a substance he is averse to taking. The way he is being treated is arguably a violation of his Human Rights as he must denounce his faith or be seen as delusional. After being discharged and after many months, and a steadily decreasing dosage of antipsychotics, his belief that God healed him remains unchanged.

Regarding his elevated mood

An elevated mood is something Ervin has always displayed, and is merely a part of his personality. His previous Psychologist R. J., a trained individual who regularly saw Ervin over the course of years, noted his talkativeness and eccentric attitude (refer to letter by R.J.). His personality remains the same as always.

It should be emphasised that his religious beliefs and elevated mood have remained unchanged since he was forced to take antipsychotics. However, these thought processes are all of a sudden seen as acceptable to his carers who after discharge from hospital have consistently reduced the dosage and potency of the antipsychotics required.

Overall, regardless of any appearance of recovery, essentially Ervin will have to take Antipsychotics for the rest of his life. To quote the team at North Western Mental Health (Refer to letter by North Western Mental Health) ?It is evident that whilst Mr P. may appear well in the short term his history suggests the high likelihood of him becoming unwell if left untreated?. This statement rules out any possibility of recovery outside of an ongoing antipsychotic medication regime.

Section 8(1)(b) ?Person's mental illness requires immediate treatment

As previously discussed, Ervin was forcibly medicated to prevent a relapse which statistically would occur. However, it is arguable that a relapse was imminent at the time the decision was made to revoke his CTO.

Section 8(1)(c) ?Involuntary Treatment necessary to prevent deterioration or for Health and Safety reasons

Taking into account the circumstances of his hospitalisation and diagnosis of relapse mentioned earlier, there is no conclusive evidence that his health was deteriorating.

There is little evidence that Ervin?s is currently a risk to himself or others. In the Initial Risk assessment he received when hospitalised (Refer to the Royal Melbourne Hospital Initial Risk Assessment), he was assessed on a variety of Risk criteria and it was found he was No Risk in most areas and Low Risk in others. Where he was assessed as Low Risk the decision was based on Historical factors and not current conditions.

He acknowledges his past crimes and has served his sentences. His worst crimes were committed while on heavy drugs and his lifestyle was vastly different during that phase of his life. His religious outlook has caused him to evaluate and reform his past behaviour drastically. Ervin can get many people to vouch for his lawful and honest character (Refer to letter by F.D.). His previous Psychologist wrote that at no point did he consider Ervin a Risk to himself or anyone.

Section 8(1)(d) ?Refusal of necessary treatment.

Ervin refused based on his personal beliefs that he has recovered with God?s Help. His previous Psychologist wrote that with professional support, counselling and monitoring he believes Ervin?s condition can be well managed.

However, it is seen that Ervin has refused ?necessary? treatment. Such a conclusion would suggest a lack of alternatives. It would mean disregarding the numerous studies that found a higher rate of complete recovery in third world countries. Countries that make minimal use of antipsychotic drugs and have an emphasis on Social and Emotional Support based treatments.

To quote one such study of many (using results from the World Health Organization collaborative project, the International Study of Schizophrenia):

?Evidence of differences in illness trajectory in favor of the developing centers was consistently found. Six potential sources of bias are then examined: differences in followup, arbitrary grouping of centers, diagnostic ambiguities, selective outcome measures, gender, and age. None of these potential confounds explains away the differential in course and outcome. We conclude with suggestions for further research, with particular attention to the need for close documentation of everyday practices in the local moral worlds that "culture" refers to.?[1]

So not only is there reason to doubt the long-term effectiveness of Ervin?s treatment, there are also well researched side effects to antipsychotic drugs which studies have revealed can be permanently debilitating or fatal. Some of these side effects have affected Ervin. As noted by his previous Psychologist, Ervin found relief from the generalised anxiety and panic attacks he suffers when taking antipsychotics..

Due to Ervin?s knowledge of the aforementioned issues with antipsychotics, the side effects he experiences and his personal belief that he does not require them, it is not unreasonable for him to refuse to take them and request alternative treatments.

Section 8(1)(e) ?the person cannot receive adequate treatment for the mental illness in a manner less restrictive of his or her freedom of decision and action.

Ervin has experienced being off medication without deterioration. He is on a very low amount of medication at the moment, after having ceased it completely in recent times with no signs of relapse being imminent. This is contrary to the opinion that he would deteriorate. His Previous Psychologist recommended Professional Support, counselling and monitoring.

It should be restated that the CATT team at North Western Mental Health were initially open to the idea of Ervin not taking antipsychotics as long as he did not take illegal drugs. However, this agreement Ervin had with them was overruled during an in-house committee meeting.

[1] Hopper K, Wanderling J (2000). "Revisiting the developed versus developing country distinction in course and outcome in schizophrenia: results from ISoS, the WHO collaborative follow up project. International Study of Schizophrenia". Schizophrenia Bulletin 26 (4): 835?46.

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Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: good logic on May 13, 2012, 04:16:14 AM
Thank you for the story and the useful information.
Keep your loyalty to your creator.
In friendship and peace.
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on May 28, 2012, 03:29:40 AM
 Following is a letter that my friend Almunther has articulated tor me. It's my second complaint that I believe will be of interest to any believer in God, especially to those who believe that Gods presence or a connection to Him can be felt:

 To North western Mental Health,

I am just writing to make you aware that Dr S....s made a comment that a book called "God is not great" written by Christopher Hitchens was an excellent book. I assume he agrees with a lot of what?s in it. Therefore it doesn?t surprise me that he is trying to diagnose my feeling of God?s presence as a sickness. To me it is a peacefully harmonious experience. Another time he told me that I think I am special because God communicates with me. Recently he questioned whether I was having any religious ideas. This ongoing emphasis on my faith as a symptom  aggravates me. Diagnosis of religion is covered under the exclusionary conditions s8(2) of the Mental Health Act yet there is nothing I can do about it being a repeated point of contention during our appointments.

Thanks,

Ervin
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Student of Allah on June 26, 2012, 11:27:31 AM
Following is a letter that my friend Almunther has articulated tor me. It's my second complaint that I believe will be of interest to any believer in God, especially to those who believe that Gods presence or a connection to Him can be felt:

 To North western Mental Health,

I am just writing to make you aware that Dr S....s made a comment that a book called "God is not great" written by Christopher Hitchens was an excellent book. I assume he agrees with a lot of what?s in it. Therefore it doesn?t surprise me that he is trying to diagnose my feeling of God?s presence as a sickness. To me it is a peacefully harmonious experience. Another time he told me that I think I am special because God communicates with me. Recently he questioned whether I was having any religious ideas. This ongoing emphasis on my faith as a symptom  aggravates me. Diagnosis of religion is covered under the exclusionary conditions s8(2) of the Mental Health Act yet there is nothing I can do about it being a repeated point of contention during our appointments.

Thanks,

Ervin

Shalom Aleikhem Ervin,


Thats sooooooooooo sad. Can you not sue the doctor ? I hope you are fine now and not facing issues with the doctors anymore. But what your friend wrote about the doctor, OH GOD !! its pathetic how someone can relate your religious belief to the disease. By the way, forgive my ignorance, but, what do you mean when you say that you communicate with God ? You mean an active communication, like the way it happens between 2 human beings ? or that God comes to your bedroom when you pray before bedtime ? which type ?

Peace
------------- Student of Allah
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on July 01, 2012, 02:26:59 PM
Selam Student of Allah. Feeling intensely Gods presence is what they term as communication with God. Like a mystical experience that sufis believe can be attained in this life.

Anyway Al Fajr and I are going to vcat court on the 20 th of July to fight. We aim at getting to supreme court where the judge can alter the act.

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Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: renztubz on July 26, 2012, 06:39:28 AM
Just don't forget God is caring you always.
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on July 27, 2012, 10:33:38 PM
 quote author=renztubz link=topic=9603196.msg302559#msg302559 date=1343309968]
Just don't forget God is caring you always.
[/quote]

Peace, thanks
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on July 27, 2012, 10:35:11 PM
Just don't forget God is caring you always.

Peace, Alhamdulilah, thanks
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on August 01, 2012, 01:52:27 AM
 Selam, About two weeks ago I was in court arguing against the mental health system. On my side was my friend Almunther  and I.

Anyway, we were arguing that science is not always right. And one of the arguments I provided was that nutritioninsts used to say that you should not have more than two or three eggs a week and now they are saying that you can have 14 a week.

Anyway I have just been watching on I think seven news that slim milk is not better for keeping the weight down than full cream and hoe full cream is better for you Alhamdulilah.

I drink only full cream, if I have a choice because its how God made it originally. That's why I always go for organic honey and organic rest because its as close as how God made it Alhamdulilah.

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Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on August 17, 2012, 02:48:11 AM
The following is a post I wrote some time ago. It's actually what I believe about Source(God) right now, even without pharmaceuticals and with I know the following is my true belief:

 by Ervin ? Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:57 am

I thought I might go a bit into my last experience of God.Last time I felt strong presence/comunication with God was about three to two weeks ago. It was the most beautiful experience I had in my life and at the same time the"devil/demons" where playing mind games with me it didnt bother me at all. God felt like peace, light, love, truth, gentlness, someone who wouldnt burn anyone in eternal hell. It was wanderfull. It was just someone you can totally trust with everything. Just a memory of that experience is enough to make me calm, forgiving, compassionate, loving, kind, reasonable, good. It was as I could see God but I wasnt seing things. Gods presence was felt as if he was everywhere. Thats what I felt.

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Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on September 22, 2012, 05:52:29 AM
I have been judging a bit much. I want to be a pacifist but i keep fighting.

Peace is a choice I endeavour to make and practise.

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Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: scaredmuslimah on September 26, 2012, 08:24:24 AM
Peace and Thanks Ikrame. Reasons I am telling this story is to encourage others towards good, that is towards God. It's not ego based God willing.

Thanks

Ervin,

I know you posted this last year, but I wanted to say I hope you are still doing better.  Interestingly enough, I was able to stop taking my anti-depressants after I converted to Islam.  I am sure it has to do with the constant rememberance of Allah!

Peace,

Amina
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on September 29, 2012, 02:01:01 PM
I am actually not a Muslim any more, but I still like to post threads on these forums.

The best way to describe my beliefs would be to read Eckhart Tolled books called:" A new earth " and "Stillness speaks".

Eckhart Tolle is quite popular, wo it should be easy to get his books. May I suggest the book depository, wich is a company that eels books situated in England. They don't charge for the postage and handling to quite a few countries.

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Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Zulf on September 29, 2012, 07:02:28 PM
I like Tolle's idea about the difference between religion and spirituality:

Quote from A New Earth:
"Many people are already aware of the difference between spirituality and religion. They realize that having a belief system a set of thoughts that you regard as the absolute truth ? does not make you spiritual no matter what the nature of those beliefs is. In fact, the more you make your thoughts (beliefs) into your identity, the more cut off you are from the spiritual dimension within yourself. Many ?religious? people are stuck at that level. They equate truth with thought, and as they are completely identified with thought (their mind), they claim to be in sole possession of the truth in an unconscious attempt to protect their identity. They don?t realize the limitations of thought. Unless you believe (think) exactly as they do, you are wrong in their eyes, and in the not-too-distant past, they would have felt justified in killing you for that. And some still do, even now."
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: scaredmuslimah on October 01, 2012, 06:31:46 AM
I like Tolle's idea about the difference between religion and spirituality:

Quote from A New Earth:
"Many people are already aware of the difference between spirituality and religion. They realize that having a belief system a set of thoughts that you regard as the absolute truth ? does not make you spiritual no matter what the nature of those beliefs is. In fact, the more you make your thoughts (beliefs) into your identity, the more cut off you are from the spiritual dimension within yourself. Many ?religious? people are stuck at that level. They equate truth with thought, and as they are completely identified with thought (their mind), they claim to be in sole possession of the truth in an unconscious attempt to protect their identity. They don?t realize the limitations of thought. Unless you believe (think) exactly as they do, you are wrong in their eyes, and in the not-too-distant past, they would have felt justified in killing you for that. And some still do, even now."


Zulf and Ervin,

Peace.  I absolutely agree with that quote. 

And regardless of what you now believe, if you are still doing better emotionally and mentally, then that is great. 

Peace,

Amina
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on November 14, 2012, 12:18:19 AM
I have two psychiatrists. The main one Dr B. and the other one Dr S. I see the other one almost all the time. The other one has been always trying to convince me that I have schizoefective disorder that a third doctor diagnosed me about 15 16 months ago.

And guess what: The other day the main psychiatrist Dr B. one was filling out some forms for my self and i told her to write down the TRUTH and i did remind her that I have been diagnosed with schizoefective by one doctor and that the other one Dr.S. viciously supports it, but that I don't believe that I have it and she refused to write down schizoafective disorder on the forms. She wrote only schizophrenia. She even refused to write paranoid next to it. And I told her: So I don't have scizhoefective disorder.

There you go, a doctor lied who diagnosed my symptoms of pharmaceuticals side efects as schizoefective and the psych I see on regular basis dr. S. suports his diagnosis strongly but his manager dr. B. obviously did otherwise. I got and I have kept copies of the forms as an EVIDENCE.

This is in Melbourne, Australia.

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Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Rising Star on November 14, 2012, 01:55:59 AM
good to know u are healed, and I have no doubt ALLAH can cure any thing and any one :)
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on November 17, 2012, 01:41:00 AM
I copied the following that I wrote today from a philosophy forum:

 One thing I didn't mention and that is seconds prior to " spontaneous recovery " I made a choice to lie about my beliefs. I decided to lie about taking pharmaceuticals because I was pretty certain that they will tor e me to take them. But I started telling the truth about not taking and what happened happened. So I didn't just think about taking a risk. However eventually I decided to tell the truth, but I forgot about that detail, otherwise everything else was true.

Also, when I pleaded guilty to raping who appeared to be a woman, heroin user and a street prostitute of 20 years e said (I love her and I love the police and everyone else by the way), who wouldn't return the money when I asked her since she refused to do what I paid her for, I was going through a so called first psychotic episode. I got scared of hell and even though I thought its to late to "repent" I kept trying. Later on two confessions where due to so called schizophrenia. It came to me that that's how I can help myself get "better" and purify my self. Rest you can read in the thread if you wish and I would like your comment please.

Remember its ok what they have done to me. But, I wish to write about it. If you ask me like I said I want to align with the Source I feel is infinitely gentle.

I forgive everyone everything and love everyone and everything and I want peace in the end, if not now as well. And I do good my way because its my right.

Thanks

-- Updated Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:16 am to add the following --

Just want to ad that the so called symptoms of the illness came back eventually since I didn't want to lie ( thqts how it seemed at least) and whenever I decided wholeheartedly to lie, everything would get "better". But, I know that where there is will there is a way for doing actual good same as there is for evil. Existence is fair and I have rights same as "other/s" do. I have a choice.

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Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on November 17, 2012, 06:44:19 AM
Also, I pleaded guilty but at first I wanted them questioned while affected by a so called what I was later told is psychotic, then schizophrenia to the indecent assaults where I asked two females, wo I got later told are 17 years old to have sex with and I touched one on the hips. When I pleaded guilty without any fighting later on I was on pharmaceuticals and not affected. The rest I did because I thought even while not affected by a so called illness because I like telling the whole truth, its me.

I was also in prison for adults on remand while in Europe while I was 15 Years old for break and enter. I was found guilty of some sort of an assault charge tor hitting a man while working as a crowd controller. I was in Australian military prison for awol( Absent without leave) I started taking amphetamines, actual injecting while in the Army. Plenty of other times I broke the so called laws but didn't deal with the police or courts because of it.

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Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on December 01, 2015, 06:05:38 AM
Peace,

It has been about four years since I started this topic. Last three I have been heavily medicated. However, now, I am on a way lower dossage and I have come back to God and Islam.

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Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: mmkhan on December 01, 2015, 11:41:15 AM
Peace,

It has been about four years since I started this topic. Last three I have been heavily medicated. However, now, I am on a way lower dossage and I have come back to God and Islam.

Thanks

Peace,

Welcome back bro :welcome:
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on September 01, 2019, 06:39:46 AM
Peace and hi I everyone.

It has been a long time since I posted this thread. I was looking back on it and thinking what is the best way to deal with this situation.

And to put it simply as Eckhart Tolle would say In stillness speaks, in the acceptance and surrender chapter to do exactly that. But I am pretty sure that somewhere else he says that we can work on fixing the problem, but accept this moment as it is.

Thoughts!

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Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: MissMarple77 on September 02, 2019, 12:41:12 PM
Peace Ervin,
I have not seen this thread before your last post now. Good that you came back to it. It is almost impossible to rely on human help with spiritual illnesses in this Kali Yuga. The knowledge is largely gone. God helps the ones with faith. Even those people who follow a religion: Most are locked down in the Dunya and have no perception of the worlds above us. THIS is a truely crazy state of mind.
But if this wasn't bad enough, humans nowadays are utterly frightened that there might be something other than material world. This is why these psychiatrists with their medical treatments exist. Fear. They have much more fear inside them than you!
Accidentally some days ago I met a young woman in the streets who told me she was abused as a child and later raped and she sufferes, as one can imagine, very badly from that. She said she doesn't take medication. The bad thing is, instead she medicates herself with alcohol and drugs. But I was really surprised as she told me she was a believing Christian and believes in Jesus. Interesting connection between the refusal of taking these legal drugs and being a believer, as you wrote.
So I would say acceptance (about what Eckhart Tolle speaks) of the real reality and stillness ... I would rather say have an understanding of the whisper of satan to clear the mind.
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on May 07, 2020, 08:25:59 PM
Hi everyone, just to let you all know that I have come to believe in God Yahweh and His Son Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour. It’s a bit of a story as to how I came to it. I will just urge you all to take good look at the Bible for instance.
The Bible is the best written book there is and that  is one of my reasons for accepting God Yahweh and His Son Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour. Compare the Bible to other books.

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Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Layth on May 08, 2020, 01:39:44 AM
Dear Ervin.

I am sorry to hear that. The Bible (if you mean New Testament) is nothing but a human rendition of what transpired during the times of Christ - a biography of his life written by those who were around at the time.

Son of God nonsense starts to slowly bring its way more clearly into the later texts (primarily Paul), and was codified as law in the Nicene Creed some 300+ years later.
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Noon waalqalami on May 08, 2020, 05:54:46 AM
Hi everyone, just to let you all know that I have come to believe in God Yahweh and His Son Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour. It’s a bit of a story as to how I came to it. I will just urge you all to take good look at the Bible for instance.
The Bible is the best written book there is and that  is one of my reasons for accepting God Yahweh and His Son Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour. Compare the Bible to other books.

Thanks

peace, reads a bit like mein kampf nazi bible https://biblehub.com/1_samuel/15-3.htm

Deuteronomy 20:16
However, in the cities of the nations that the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, you must not leave alive anything that breathes.

1 Samuel 22:19
He also put to the sword Nob, the city of the priests, with its men and women, children and infants, oxen, donkeys, and sheep.

1 Samuel 27:9
Whenever David attacked a territory, he did not leave a man or woman alive, but he took the flocks and herds ...

Now go and smite Amalek, and destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Exodus 20:5
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me.

Numbers 31:17
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

Isaiah 14:21,22
Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities…

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Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Jafar on May 09, 2020, 03:23:19 AM
Hi everyone, just to let you all know that I have come to believe in God Yahweh and His Son Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour. It’s a bit of a story as to how I came to it. I will just urge you all to take good look at the Bible for instance.
The Bible is the best written book there is and that  is one of my reasons for accepting God Yahweh and His Son Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour. Compare the Bible to other books.

Thanks

Peace Ervin,

I'm glad that you're out from your schizophrenic situation and you're experiencing your life in much better situation now.
When I'm reading on how you manage to get out of such situation I can say that it was the best method, you ask to the infinite creator and you then receive. Because verily you do have direct connection to your creator.

Tolle's explanation is the technical method on how you can widen your highway to your own infinite creator, acceptance and stillness. By stillness here he meant the stillness of your mind, more specifically stillness of your own egoistical mind. By silencing your own thought you will clear the highway from unnecessary traffic and you will be able to download (and upload) more.

But now I'm surprised how you then fell again to the 'trap' put forth by your own egoistical mind.
You again put something on the pedestal, in your latest example, it's Bible and Jesus.

Putting something on the pedestal is driven by pride, driven by the need to be superior, to be the best, to be among the 'righteous', to be among those 'who are saved', 'those who walked the straight path', 'those who are chosen' and many other label that people came up with to separate themselves with the inferior, with other than their own selves.

I call it as a 'trap' because when you put something on the pedestal and thus superior / best, it will drive the need to inferiorize other in order to justify it's superiority.

What;s being put on the pedestal can be many things, ranging from Football team, Nationality, Religion, Books, Dead / Past Figures, Food, Mobile Phone Brand, Car Brand, Color and millions of other things.

It is however understandable, as pride produce a (false) sense of security, strength and superiority. It tastes 'good' and '(temporarily) satisfying' and can be quite addictive. It's those 'good' feelings that anyone get when you won a race, won an award, receive promotion, watching your favorite football team won, watching your nationality being praised admired and adored, receiving compliment about anything that you've identified yourself with, your looks, your religion, your holy books, your tradition etc...

But the thing is, you will never feel enough, you will just want more and more, just like crack and drugs, it has certain addictive attributes to it.

An attachment to certain things, especially pride, can be a root cause of your sufferings.
Acceptance of everything 'as it is' it is actually a mean to liberation, purification and unification (with our "Heavenly Father")

And if you're diligent, you can also find the above message buried somewhere within the sentences of a bundle called Bible.

The act of putting things to a pedestal is of course quite common, as can be seen by even the replies on this thread. They're actually mirroring your action, the only difference is they put different things than you on their own pedestal. Thus to justify that they need to inferiorize the things which you've put on your pedestal.

Salam
Title: Re: How my schizoohrenia that is supose to be for life disapeared!
Post by: Ervin on May 24, 2020, 10:40:09 PM
Peace Ervin,

I'm glad that you're out from your schizophrenic situation and you're experiencing your life in much better situation now.
When I'm reading on how you manage to get out of such situation I can say that it was the best method, you ask to the infinite creator and you then receive. Because verily you do have direct connection to your creator.

Tolle's explanation is the technical method on how you can widen your highway to your own infinite creator, acceptance and stillness. By stillness here he meant the stillness of your mind, more specifically stillness of your own egoistical mind. By silencing your own thought you will clear the highway from unnecessary traffic and you will be able to download (and upload) more.

But now I'm surprised how you then fell again to the 'trap' put forth by your own egoistical mind.
You again put something on the pedestal, in your latest example, it's Bible and Jesus.

Putting something on the pedestal is driven by pride, driven by the need to be superior, to be the best, to be among the 'righteous', to be among those 'who are saved', 'those who walked the straight path', 'those who are chosen' and many other label that people came up with to separate themselves with the inferior, with other than their own selves.

I call it as a 'trap' because when you put something on the pedestal and thus superior / best, it will drive the need to inferiorize other in order to justify it's superiority.

What;s being put on the pedestal can be many things, ranging from Football team, Nationality, Religion, Books, Dead / Past Figures, Food, Mobile Phone Brand, Car Brand, Color and millions of other things.

It is however understandable, as pride produce a (false) sense of security, strength and superiority. It tastes 'good' and '(temporarily) satisfying' and can be quite addictive. It's those 'good' feelings that anyone get when you won a race, won an award, receive promotion, watching your favorite football team won, watching your nationality being praised admired and adored, receiving compliment about anything that you've identified yourself with, your looks, your religion, your holy books, your tradition etc...

But the thing is, you will never feel enough, you will just want more and more, just like crack and drugs, it has certain addictive attributes to it.

An attachment to certain things, especially pride, can be a root cause of your sufferings.
Acceptance of everything 'as it is' it is actually a mean to liberation, purification and unification (with our "Heavenly Father")

And if you're diligent, you can also find the above message buried somewhere within the sentences of a bundle called Bible.

The act of putting things to a pedestal is of course quite common, as can be seen by even the replies on this thread. They're actually mirroring your action, the only difference is they put different things than you on their own pedestal. Thus to justify that they need to inferiorize the things which you've put on your pedestal.

Salam

Peace and hi Jafar. I am glad that you are glad that I am out of a difficult situation.  I just wanted to say that I am on medication and that I am currently in the process of coming of a very strong and dangerous drug( medication) called clozapine.l( you can google I think just about any medication)  I am fine however there are always changes that take place when that’s in the process. Clozapine is one of the strongest sedatives and I am getting of it and replacing it with one of the medications that’s not sedating at all, which is really good. A lot has happened since that OP recovery. I have been put back on meds and etc...

You are probably right in that I have put it on the pedestal, I thought I was doing the right thing. I have a few things to do right now, but soon later on I’ll right some more on this thread.

Thanks