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Title: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on June 26, 2010, 01:03:16 AM
Not sure where this topic goes, if you can figure it out please inform me if you move it.

I've been interested in astrology for about 9 years. (got into it when I was 16)

I've studied it to the point that I can sometimes tell people's signs. I've noticed as well (as fishy as this may sound) that certain astrological signs have physical traits. (some are harder to tell than others, though based on appearance it is easy for me to point out a capricorn and...that's about it lol but some leos, scorpios, tauruses and aries can have fairly obvious physical traits btw these usual physicaltraits are from my own analysis not from listed physical traits of different signs)

Anyways, what I'm getting at is...these astrological profiles provide people's base behaviour/desires etc. However when they submit...to a system which encourages them to control and reject their base desires in favour of the regulations of that system...it is difficult for me to discern their sign...

Is this perhaps one of the miracles of Allah's deen?

I have noticed that although different signs have different likes and dislikes in regards to relationships with other signs

all of them have "pluses and minuses" which are subjective and appreciated and rejected according to the likes and dislikes of other signs

for example as an Aquarius, I'm not too fond of Cancers. However one thing I can appreciate about them, is that they are good cooks (the best cooks will tell you one of the most important ingredient is love) and I can appreciate someone who puts love into making sure someone's culinary experience is marvelous. And also they can be manipulative, this can sometimes be beneficial I guess, in stopping someone from worrying about certain trivial things, manipulating them to not worry etc.

As an air sign of course I don't usually get along with water signs, but with Scorpio (for whom I dislike their obsession with revenge and their reluctance to forgive, as well as their tendency to be rude and take part in rude humour) I can admire their loyalty and inquisitiveness.

And these good traits, perhaps are made manifest by Allah in each sign, but to control and nullify the bad traits, we must submit to the Deen which encourages us to maintain our good traits

Being completely honest, I think all of us can say when we read certain commandments in the Qu'ran we perhaps may say "I agree with/like this passage, this passage is something I believed in practicing before I decided to become muslim/even read the Qu'ran. This passage confirms a goodness/ethic that I want to practice" Along with passages which go against our desires but we must practice anyways. For example as an Aquarius I feel no restraint in challenging and questioning authority but this is must be controlled, as I must respect and obey my parents and not sound ungrateful and negative even though my desires as an Aquarius is to challenge them loudly and provocatively. A Leo may take exception with the verse which says not to remind people of their charity, as lovers of the spotlight they may find it difficult to deal with this but we have to control our desires and submit to the Deen. Being a Leo though, one of their good traits made manifest by Allah is their generosity and willingness to be charitable.)

My other point, is that all signs have negative traits, but by submitting to Allah and the Deen, we can nullilfy these negative traits. There are commandments in the Deen which strengthen and encourage the erasure of negative traits for each sign.

For example, patient perseverance can drastically change an Aries and practicing it can make him/her unrecognizable to someone who would otherwise very easily spot an Aries. 

For example, enduring insult and jeering for them practicing their religion or their ways and staying on the right path can drastically change a Leo (they love compliments but cannot stand insults) and practicing this can make him/her unrecognizable to someone who would otherwise very easily spot a Leo. Patient perseverance can also help a Leo (again, in regards to insults)

For example, a good response is better than a bad response and forgiving being better than desiring revenge is something that can drastically change a Scorpio and practicing it can make him/her unrecognizable to someone who would otherwise be able to very easily spot a Scorpio.

For example, speaking kind words and covering faults can drastically change a Virgo (they can be very critical, sometimes I guess in an insensitive way and point out many faulty things) and practicing it can make him/her unrecognizable to someone who would otherwise be able to very easily spot a Virgo.







Anyways, this is my natal chart = p

if you want to make one for yourself, go to www.alabe.com/freechart

you have to enter your birthdate, the place of birth and the time you were born (this might be hard to find out, but you only need it for the rising sign, it is plotted accordign to the time you were born...if you don't enter the time you were born, you will get an inaccurate rising sign, ignore it)

the first five planetary alignments are the ones that describe your immediate personality the most, the rest of the planetary alignments do not apply to an immediate personality.

Rising sign: applies to the personality you portray as opposed to your actual personality.
Sun: your actual personality
Moon: the way your emotions work
Mercury: the way your mind works
Venus: your love style
Mars: your energy style

some may say they can see these traits in my natal chart being manifested sometimes, I hope and pray to Allah that I can control the negative desires of mine.

By the way, the mars in Aries for me could not be more true. People who noticed my many edits and the messages that previous messages which I edited will notice this. And some of the venus is true as well, especially the part about pursuing a person I like lol though that hasn't really happened for a while now  :giveup:



Rising Sign is in 15 Degrees Leo


You love to be the center of attention and you want to appear
strong, confident and dominant. You are very proud of yourself,
sometimes quite vain even. When all around you are bedraggled and
falling apart, you look like a million bucks! Very dignified and
honorable, you enjoy the power and privilege, but not the
responsibilities, that come with leadership. You are very idealistic
but can also be quite stubborn. Others impress you only if they have
integrity (but wealth, power and influence can also turn your head).
You prefer rich, elegant surroundings and possessions, and will try
to acquire them as your budget allows. Physically, you are very
impressive - - at your best you have a regal, charismatic demeanor
and bearing. Try not to be such a showoff!




Sun is in 21 Degrees Aquarius.


You get bored with the status quo and are generally open to new
things and ideas. An individualist and a free spirit, your friends
are quite important to you as long as they do not try to tie you
down by making too many emotional demands on you. Your thoughts are
offbeat and you're a bit eccentric, but not always very changeable.
As a matter of fact, you can be quite stubborn at times. Very
fair-minded when dealing with large groups or broad issues, you are
not always emotionally sensitive to the needs of individuals.
Extremely objective, with good powers of observation, you would be
qualified to study technical and complicated subjects, like science,
computers or maybe even astrology.




Moon is in 28 Degrees Libra.


Affectionate, warm and friendly, life must be a 'beautiful'
experience for you. Unpleasantness should be avoided at all costs.
You tend to overlook other people's faults and you would rather give
in than fight. You are uncomfortable with strangers, but at ease and
sociable with friends and associates. Indeed, you would rather
socialize than work - - you can use your prodigious charm to avoid
unpleasant tasks. You need the support and assistance of another in
order to get you started on any new project - - you are not a
self-starter. Be careful of a tendency to be overly self-indulgent
(i.e., lazy). Your refined aesthetic sensibilities attract you to
music, dance, art and any other cultured activity.




Mercury is in 15 Degrees Aquarius.


You tend to be very opinionated - - you have strongly felt notions
about things and are quite vocal about expressing and defending
them. Yet you are also an original thinker - - you enjoy shocking
others with your offbeat, original thoughts. You appreciate and need
mental and intellectual stimulation. Your judgment is usually fair
and impartial - - you can be a good critic because you can remain
objective and unemotional about most things.




Venus is in 07 Degrees Aries.


You are a very affectionate person but you hate to be tied down. You
are more than willing to be the aggressor in initiating new
relationships. Indeed, once you have set your sights on someone, you
tend to pursue him or her ardently and passionately. But you do
demand your own way in a relationship. Try to give in to your
partner's needs and desires once in a while.




Mars is in 05 Degrees Aries.


You are very independent and self-assertive, and you have lots of
physical energy. You are not satisfied unless you can be the first
to do something. As such, you are more comfortable in leadership
positions than you are as an underling. When you are challenged by
anyone for anything, you delight in the competitive process and will
fight long and hard for your beliefs. You are bold and courageous
and often act without thinking. At times, in your zeal to get ahead,
you are tactless and offensive - - learn that cooperation with others
can often bring you nearer to your goals quicker because of the
support you will get.


Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Wootah on June 26, 2010, 03:14:30 AM
Astrology is nonsense - you know that right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQPFoDkGFrU

Astrology, crystals, psychic readings, ghosts - all nonsense. You can safely throw it all out and even better this will help others who often times pay a lot of money to fraudsters and charlatans that pray on the emotionally distressed particularly around the deaths of loved ones. You can help be a part of ending these crimes.

I'm sorry to be blunt. If you enjoy astrology for the fun and games OK but if you are misled or are misleading others that it is real then I think you are stop. There are too many people in Asia and Africa and frankly Australia :( that are making irrational decisions based upon this type of superstition. It is entirely harmful.

Google James Randi, he is a secular atheist but does incredible work debunking these lies. It will be helpful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dp2Zqk8vHw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlMiKrwCRQ0&feature=related

With all sincerity and no intended sarcasm. You can leave astrology and nothing bad will happen. That second video is very worth watching. Very.

Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Ayisha on June 26, 2010, 06:54:32 AM
 ;D some of my good bits
Very attractive and popular, your charm helps you to get your own way and prevents others from getting angry with you.

"Peace and harmony at all costs" is your battle cry.

Extremely serious and mature, you are capable of accepting responsibilities and do so willingly.

You tend to be serious-minded but cheerful for the most part.

You are a careful thinker, very cautious and conservative.

You are generally good at balancing opinions and judging issues, but you tend to be indecisive when it comes to making up your own mind.  ;D


AK I am interested to know what physical trait by which you can tell a Capricorn

I am normally right about Leo, the forehead, eyes and nose seem to have a particular shape similar to a Lion, im not always right though  ;D
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Leyna on June 26, 2010, 07:20:31 AM

for example as an Aquarius, I'm not too fond of Cancers. However one thing I can appreciate about them, is that they are good cooks (the best cooks will tell you one of the most important ingredient is love) and I can appreciate someone who puts love into making sure someone's culinary experience is marvelous.



I'm a cancer and have a history of falling in love with aquarius men.  :P

And, yeah, I'm a great cook, my friends love my home-cooked meals.  8)
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: afridi220 on June 26, 2010, 07:59:48 AM
I'm a cancer and have a history of falling in love with aquarius men.  :P

And, yeah, I'm a great cook, my friends love my home-cooked meals.  8)

Uff uff my stomach acts crazy :P
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on June 26, 2010, 10:06:34 AM
;D some of my good bits
Very attractive and popular, your charm helps you to get your own way and prevents others from getting angry with you.

"Peace and harmony at all costs" is your battle cry.

Extremely serious and mature, you are capable of accepting responsibilities and do so willingly.

You tend to be serious-minded but cheerful for the most part.

You are a careful thinker, very cautious and conservative.

You are generally good at balancing opinions and judging issues, but you tend to be indecisive when it comes to making up your own mind.  ;D


AK I am interested to know what physical trait by which you can tell a Capricorn

I am normally right about Leo, the forehead, eyes and nose seem to have a particular shape similar to a Lion, im not always right though  ;D

lol they have this ruthless ambitious one track mind look in their eyes, not all of course.

See that's another thing, since there are 5 planets which decide different important aspects of your personality, unless all of them are in the planetary alignment of your sun sign, you will not necessarily come across as a typical Aquarius, Leo, Cancer or whatever it is that you are.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on June 26, 2010, 10:20:12 AM
Astrology is nonsense - you know that right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQPFoDkGFrU

Astrology, crystals, psychic readings, ghosts - all nonsense. You can safely throw it all out and even better this will help others who often times pay a lot of money to fraudsters and charlatans that pray on the emotionally distressed particularly around the deaths of loved ones. You can help be a part of ending these crimes.

I'm sorry to be blunt. If you enjoy astrology for the fun and games OK but if you are misled or are misleading others that it is real then I think you are stop. There are too many people in Asia and Africa and frankly Australia :( that are making irrational decisions based upon this type of superstition. It is entirely harmful.

Google James Randi, he is a secular atheist but does incredible work debunking these lies. It will be helpful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dp2Zqk8vHw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlMiKrwCRQ0&feature=related

With all sincerity and no intended sarcasm. You can leave astrology and nothing bad will happen. That second video is very worth watching. Very.



I don't follow the daily horoscopes which tell you about your day etc., I just find the psychological profiles to be freakishly accurate.

Trust me I can be a very critical person, but what can I possibly say in offense to astrology when sometimes I can guess a sign correctly? Not much.

Like I said though, I've noticed its hard for me to discern a sign when a person submits to a system in which they have to control their base desires. For example, I would have neeeeeever been able to guess Leyna is a Cancer, neeeeeeever. Then again maybe she has a lot of other planetary alignments which are not cancer.

Each sign has two signs which they absolutely despise, and are absolutely enamoured by. In my case, (Aquarius) the one I despise is Cancer and the one I am absolutely enamoured by is Virgo. And you know what the messed up part is? The one you are absolutely enamoured by is the one that absolutely despises you. I actually wrote a little "treatise" once based on my findings of astrological relationships. I'll post it when I find it, if I can find it.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on June 26, 2010, 10:29:14 AM
;D some of my good bits
Very attractive and popular, your charm helps you to get your own way and prevents others from getting angry with you.

"Peace and harmony at all costs" is your battle cry.

Extremely serious and mature, you are capable of accepting responsibilities and do so willingly.

You tend to be serious-minded but cheerful for the most part.

You are a careful thinker, very cautious and conservative.

You are generally good at balancing opinions and judging issues, but you tend to be indecisive when it comes to making up your own mind.  ;D


AK I am interested to know what physical trait by which you can tell a Capricorn

I am normally right about Leo, the forehead, eyes and nose seem to have a particular shape similar to a Lion, im not always right though  ;D


The different planetary alignments might confuse a person at first, and they might think "Hey, I'm an Aquaurius/(whatever it is you are) why does it show all this other stuff"

Well, the time you were born is just your sun sign, your base personality the other planetary alignments have to do with other facets of your personality, not the base part

This is why you might meet someone who is not a "typical" Scorpio and someone who is Scorpio to a tee (I'm an Aquarius, so that's someone I'd try to stay away from, though someone who is Cancer to a tee might like a very typical Scorpio)

Rising sign = The personality you portray
Sun sign = Your base personality
Moon = The way your emotions work
Mercury = The way your mind works
Venus = Your love style
Mars = Your energy style

Can you post the full descriptions if you don't mind? Of course you can leave out the top part that shows your birthdate, place and time of birth. I mean unless you want to include it for some reason. I'm going to guess the alignments though (I've made these for many people, so I remember a lot of descriptions)


Very attractive and popular, your charm helps you to get your own way and prevents others from getting angry with you. (This is either rising sign in Libra, or sun sign in Libra, correct?

"Peace and harmony at all costs" is your battle cry. ((This is either rising sign in Libra, or sun sign in Libra, correct?)

Extremely serious and mature, you are capable of accepting responsibilities and do so willingly. (This has something to do with Capricorn, I'm not sure if its rising sign or sun sign

You tend to be serious-minded but cheerful for the most part. (Not sure about this one)

You are a careful thinker, very cautious and conservative. (This is an earth sign (Taurus, Virgo or Capricorn, I'm guessing Capricorn) in Mercury, right)

You are generally good at balancing opinions and judging issues, but you tend to be indecisive when it comes to making up your own mind.  ;D (This is something in Libra, correct? Either rising sign, sun or mars in libra)

Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on June 26, 2010, 10:45:56 AM
This is the treatise I wrote, it was directed at a person who was asking me about this stuff so all the "as you" stuff is because it was directed at them. By the way I wrote this a while back before I became inclined towards the Qu'ran, so please don't take that part about "selfish agenda" to heart about me an my motivations, its just an explanation of some of the things you can do with this information.

First of all there is no such thing as a bad sign, every sign has its own positive and negative traits. And every sign is very attracted and intrigued by one sign, and at the same time does not care much for one sign. It's actually very mathematical and logical, the relationships and figuring out whether two signs will click...which makes it interesting and easy to figure out...well if you're that type of thinker anyways. Like if a then b etc.

As you may or may not know, there are two things that differentiate signs from one another. One is the element, and the other is the temperament. (btw this all is relevant in knowing how certain signs will get along with one another) All of them are united by their common element, but are not the same temperament. I will explain what both of them are in detail and then compare them with each other and then again explain how to utilize the knowledge of the two to determine compatibility.

There are four elements, water, earth, fire and air. The elements describe one's general base behaviour and quirks. There are 3 signs in each element. Also the 4 elements are divided in two, with one having a generally optimistic character (Fire & Air) and one having what could be called a generally pessimistic character (Earth & Water).

Earth: Pragmatic types, not interested in poetry, afraid of/don't trust things they can't perceive with their 5 senses etc. (Capricorn, Taurus, Virgo)

Fire: As the name suggests, hot headed passionate types. (Aries, Leo, Sagitarrius)

Water: Really emotional types prone to jealousy, crying etc. (Pisces, Cancer, Scorpio)

Air: Intellectual types, interested in abstract ideas, ideas, the science behind sociology etc. (Aquarius, Gemini, Libra)

Every element is scared of/attracted to one other element, and vice versa. From my analysis it's because they are scared of the difference between their base character. You will usually find the element you are scared of to be attractive physically.

Fire: Scared of water, they are both emotional, but fire's emotion are more hotheaded and positive, while water's emotions are murky and sometimes negative.

Earth: Scared of fire. Earth is pragmatic and is scared of fire's hotheaded disregard for pragmatism.

Air: Scared of earth. Air is a thinker and is scared of earth's sometimes mean disdain for what they see as pointless pontification.

Water: Scared of air. Water is emotional, and what is seen as selfish, illogical and unrestrained emotional outbursts on water's part is not air's cup of tea.

With this knowledge, one can use elements for the effect they have on other elements to further one's own selfish agenda. For example, if you know that your friends are earth signs...and you want them to be mesmerized, jealous and scared of a girl what would you do? You would bring along a fire sign.

And now onto temperaments. There are 3 temperaments, and 4 signs for each temperament, one from each of the four elements.

Cardinal: indecisive but always has suggestions, likes people who have strong fixed ideas..
Fire Cardinal: Aries
Air Cardinal: Libra
Earth Cardinal: Capricorn
Water Cardinal: Cancer


Mutable: Is open to any ideas, doesn't always have much ideas of their own, likes people who aren't stubborn to ideas, likes to learn about different ideas from both sides of ideological divides. This is why they like cardinals, because cardinals always have new ideas since they are indecisive, and mutable likes to show off their changeability by showing cardinal they are open to their whims.
Mutable Fire: Sagitarrius
Mutable Air: Gemini (this is why they are good at socializing)
Mutable Earth: Virgo
Mutable Water: Pisces (this is why they are good artists)

Fixed: Is in love with their own ideas and is stubborn about it (hence fixed). Is attracted to mutable's disdain for being stubborn and rigid.
Fixed Fire: Leo
Fixed Air: Aquarius
Fixed Water: Scorpio
Fixed Earth: Taurus

Now once again, there is a complicated love triangle involved with this as well. C likes F, who likes M, who likes C. Neither are aroused by the one that likes them...and each temperament likes the one that likes the one that likes them (hope that makes sense) Once again in the wrong hands one could very well use this knowledge to further their own selfish agenda. You are a Cardinal sign, and you like a Fixed sign who of course doesn't care for you and prefers Mutable, who do you make ethat Fixed sign jealous? Flirt with a Mutable sign. Now you don't care for the Mutable sign since you're a Cardinal sign, but it will make the other person jealous.

And now using the knowledge of both temperaments and elements, you can determine how well you'll get along with someone and who you absolutely won't get along with.

I'll use myself as an example.

I'm an Aquarius, a fixed air sign. Now fixed signs are attracted to mutable signs, and air signs are scared of/mesmerized by earth signs. So using that knowledge which sign am I attracted to? A Mutable Earth sign. Which sign on the chart is a Mutable Earth Sign? Virgo.

Now just because someone's SUN sign is in a particular sign, doesn't mean they won't get along with a sign they aren't supposed to get along with...because as the natal chart I showed you reveals there are different aspects to a person's personality ruled by different planets. So maybe your sun signs will clash, but that doesn't mean your other planetary alignments clash, maybe your moon alignments get along, or your mercury, venus & mars alignments omg omg omg there's still hope
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Ayisha on June 26, 2010, 12:07:45 PM

The different planetary alignments might confuse a person at first, and they might think "Hey, I'm an Aquaurius/(whatever it is you are) why does it show all this other stuff"

Well, the time you were born is just your sun sign, your base personality the other planetary alignments have to do with other facets of your personality, not the base part

This is why you might meet someone who is not a "typical" Scorpio and someone who is Scorpio to a tee (I'm an Aquarius, so that's someone I'd try to stay away from, though someone who is Cancer to a tee might like a very typical Scorpio)

Rising sign = The personality you portray
Sun sign = Your base personality
Moon = The way your emotions work
Mercury = The way your mind works
Venus = Your love style
Mars = Your energy style

Can you post the full descriptions if you don't mind? Of course you can leave out the top part that shows your birthdate, place and time of birth. I mean unless you want to include it for some reason. I'm going to guess the alignments though (I've made these for many people, so I remember a lot of descriptions)


Very attractive and popular, your charm helps you to get your own way and prevents others from getting angry with you. (This is either rising sign in Libra, or sun sign in Libra, correct?

"Peace and harmony at all costs" is your battle cry. ((This is either rising sign in Libra, or sun sign in Libra, correct?)

Extremely serious and mature, you are capable of accepting responsibilities and do so willingly. (This has something to do with Capricorn, I'm not sure if its rising sign or sun sign

You tend to be serious-minded but cheerful for the most part. (Not sure about this one)

You are a careful thinker, very cautious and conservative. (This is an earth sign (Taurus, Virgo or Capricorn, I'm guessing Capricorn) in Mercury, right)

You are generally good at balancing opinions and judging issues, but you tend to be indecisive when it comes to making up your own mind.  ;D (This is something in Libra, correct? Either rising sign, sun or mars in libra)



very good AK!!

here is the full thing
Rising Sign is in 18 Degrees Libra
Very attractive and popular, your charm helps you to get your own way and prevents others from getting angry with you. "Peace and harmony at all costs" is your battle cry. You always try to ameliorate or to cosmetically hide any physical ugliness or any angry feelings between people. Flashy, but not gaudy, you prefer to dress elegantly. You generally have good taste in music, art and literature. Beware of the tendency to compromise yourself in your attempt to be agreeable at all times. A bit of a social butterfly, at times you can be vain and lazy. For the most part, however, you are gracious and affectionate, and your refined and aristocratic demeanor serves as a role model to others.

Sun is in 29 Degrees Capricorn.
Extremely serious and mature, you are capable of accepting responsibilities and do so willingly. Others expect you to be dutiful as a matter of course. You tend to get angry when people get rewards after not having worked anywhere near as hard as you. You are goal-oriented and an achiever by nature -- you're a hard worker and are justifiably proud of the tangible results of your efforts. You tend to have "tunnel-vision" -- this allows you to block out extraneous matters that might distract others and to concentrate totally on the matter at hand. As such, you are the ideal one to manage or administrate any ongoing project and to be practical and efficient at it. You are not a fast worker, but you are quite thorough. You are known for being totally persistent, tenacious and tireless in reaching your goals.

Moon is in 22 Degrees Virgo.
You tend to be serious-minded but cheerful for the most part. You need tasks that engage both your mind and your hands. A careful worker, you enjoy making things. You are neat and orderly, and are very concerned with good health habits. Fastidious to the extreme, you cannot tolerate messes and will immediately clean them up. Reserved, shy, and very self-critical, you tend to be very hard on yourself. You usually will go out of your way to be helpful and useful to others. Practical, reliable, efficient and conservative, at times you are a bit of a prude. You are known to lead a simple, uncomplicated, frugal, methodical and unemotional lifestyle. You are devoted and caring to those you love.

Mercury is in 11 Degrees Capricorn.
You are a careful thinker, very cautious and conservative. You are quite skillful at organizing, directing and planning activities. Practical and useful things interest you -- you are not attracted to abstract thoughts or ideas. With your tendency to be highly focused and very goal-oriented, you have a good head for business. But beware of a tendency to be narrow-minded and dogmatic. Your sense of humor tends toward being earthy and slapstick crude.

Venus is in 08 Degrees Capricorn.
You tend to keep your feelings under control -- emotions are only released in serious or important situations. You are distrustful of others whose behavior could be judged excessive or immoderate. As such, you prefer to relate only to those who are older than you or to those whose position is such that respect and duty are more important for both of you than passion or emotional response. Be careful, however, of relationships that are merely based on practicality or utility or you will ultimately be lonely.

Mars is in 24 Degrees Aries.
You are very independent and self-assertive, and you have lots of physical energy. You are not satisfied unless you can be the first to do something. As such, you are more comfortable in leadership positions than you are as an underling. When you are challenged by anyone for anything, you delight in the competitive process and will fight long and hard for your beliefs. You are bold and courageous and often act without thinking. At times, in your zeal to get ahead, you are tactless and offensive -- learn that cooperation with others can often bring you nearer to your goals quicker because of the support you will get.

Jupiter is in 01 Degrees Libra.
You are generally good at balancing opinions and judging issues, but you tend to be indecisive when it comes to making up your own mind. You are objective and quite concerned with fair play and justice. But, when it comes to yourself, you are so aware that whatever you do might upset the apple cart that you often choose to compromise rather than do anything that might make you lonely or vulnerable. Relationships are very important to you -- you learn about yourself and grow through observing yourself interacting with others. Your aesthetic tastes are refined, but expansive and expensive.

Saturn is in 11 Degrees Sagittarius.
Basically quite conservative, you respect traditional authority figures and are very thankful and supportive of the laws and institutions which govern your life. You learn and accept new ideas only after having very thoroughly examined them. Ideals and abstract concepts are important to you only if they can be used in some practical fashion. You are so practical and so orderly that you have natural skills in planning, administrating and organizing.

Uranus is in 05 Degrees Leo.
You, and your peers as well, demand complete and total freedom of self- expression. You want to make your mark in the world according to your own lights and will brook no interference from traditional authority figures, especially if they attempt to mold or shape you in any way. You are honest and forthright, but a bit offbeat and eccentric. The lack of self-discipline may hinder you from reaching your goals as quickly as you would like.

Neptune is in 02 Degrees Scorpio.
You, and your entire generation, are extremely interested in anything deep and mysterious. You will explore and idealize the benefits that can accrue from the study of the occult, healing and psychology. You are willing to experiment with substances like drugs in order to push your understanding of your inner being to the extreme.

Pluto is in 29 Degrees Leo.
For your entire generation, this is a time when the relationship of the individual to society as a whole is being thoroughly re-examined. Major attempts will be made to find a balance between the need to be self-sufficient and the need to honor debts of social commitment.

N. Node is in 26 Degrees Scorpio.
You have a special aptitude for working by yourself, or with a like-minded group of dedicated individuals. Once you've committed yourself to a person or group or project, your loyalty and devotion are total until the group's goals have been realized. Not at all gregarious by nature, you're uncomfortable around strangers, greatly preferring to be in known and familiar situations. Others may regard you as shy or eccentric, but those who know you well are aware of the intense loyalty that you have to your friends.


I am Capricorn BUT I was born 2 mins to midnight on 19th January, so I am 2 mins away from being Aquarius apparently.

I get on very well with Scorpio females, but not with Scorpio males at all!  ;D
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on June 26, 2010, 05:34:15 PM
Yeah, that means you are born on a cusp and probably have traits of both signs.

The fact that you get along with Scorpios is no surprise..in my treatise one thing I forgot to mention is the rule of being attracted (perhaps both in a romantic and a friendship sense) to the sign two above you.

Scorpio, Sagitarrius, Capricorn.

This has to do with the same rule about temperament attractions. You're a cardinal, so you're attracted to the fixed aspect of Scorpio. Also you are both "negative" signs, with Scorpio being water and you being earth, so you find yourself being on a similar level platonically I guess or something like that.

This formula applies to all signs, you will always be romantically/friendship wise attracted to the sign two above you.

With me it would be Sagitarrius:

Sagitarrius, Capricorn, Aquarius

I'm fixed so I'm attracted to mutable signs. Me and Sagitarrius are both positive signs, Sagitarrius being fire me being air.

The sign right under you, and the sign two above you will always be the temperament you are attracted to. If you study the dynamics of this attraction in my treatise, you will notice this is true. A Cardinal will always be right above and two under a Fixed, a Fixed right above and two under a Mutable, a Mutable right above and two under a Cardinal.

The order always goes positive (air & fire), negative (water & earth) , positive, negative etc.

If we are to start with Capricorn, we can say the order is always (in terms of temperament) Cardinal, Fixed, Mutable (order of 3 temperaments is repeated 4 times for 12 signs)

Capricorn (Cardinal Earth), Aquarius (Fixed Air), Pisces (Mutable Water), Aries (Cardinal Fire), Taurus (Fixed Earth), Gemini (Mutable Air), Cancer (Cardinal Water), Leo (Fixed Fire), Virgo (Mutable Earth), Libra (Cardinal Air), Scorpio (Fixed Water), Sagitarrius (Mutable Fire).

The sign right above you, is always a temperament which is attracted to your temperament, but an element which you are frightened of.

Therefore, without even knowing which sign is above you, you can figure it out by using the formula of attractions to plot its characteristics. For example, if you are an Aquarius, you are Fixed Air. Using the laws of astrological attraction, the sign above you would have to be a temperament attracted to yours, (Cardinal) and an element which you are scared of (Earth) So the sign that fits that profile is Capricorn. Same thing with figuring out what sign is right under you, and element that is scared of you, plus a temperament that you are attracted to. So for Aquarius that would be Water Mutable. The sign that fits this is Pisces. (Water Mutable)

To figure out what sign you despise the most, figure out what element you despise and what temperament you despise according to the laws. For Leo, it would be Capricorn (Leo is Fixed Fire, Fire doesn't like Earth, Fixed doesn't like Cardinal) The sign that fits that profile is Capricorn (Cardinal Earth)

IF you look at their profiles, you may even notice that the profiles themselves can speak of their lack of a good relationship. For example, Gemini is easy breezy, chatty, flirtatious while Scorpio is obsessed, jealous and possessive. We can guess they will not get along, without even having to consult the laws of attraction, though the laws will help us figure out why.


Leyna, don't take offense to what I'm saying about Cancers. Like I said, I would have never guessed for even one second you're a Cancer. This is either because you are very good at submitting to islam and controlling your base desires, or because your other planetary alignments have nothing to do with Cancer or other water/negative signs which could bolster your water sign in Cancer. Probably both.

In fact I think you might have a Mercury in Gemini (A person's mercury is not always in their Sun Sign, it can be the sign above or the sign below, for example you're a Cancer so you may have a Mercury in Gemini or in Leo...their is the odd occasion where the Mercury alignment is nowhere close to their sun sign, I know of a Gemini with a Mercury in Capricorn)

I have a Mercury in Aquarius, which is fixed, so my mercury in Fixed Aquarius is enamoured by your Mercury in Mutable Gemini *blush*

Plus those are both air signs, same element, so we also are on the same level somewhat in regards to how our mind works.


Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Wootah on June 26, 2010, 07:36:45 PM
Would Mohammad support astrology? (I have no idea.)
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on June 26, 2010, 07:57:34 PM
Would Mohammad support astrology? (I have no idea.)

No idea. I'm hoping someone can bring something from the Qu'ran that relates to this subject if they know of something. Like I said, I don't follow the parts that dictate your future, just the part about your profiles.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: savage_carrot on June 27, 2010, 05:20:57 AM
I used to read Linda Goodman, I loved her quotes at the start of every article, I thought she was pretty accurate other than some stuff. Chinese "astrology" I found to be more accurate though...

Guess my sign AK85 and no cheating by searching older posts! ;D

Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Ayisha on June 27, 2010, 05:38:37 AM
I used to read Linda Goodman, I loved her quotes at the start of every article, I thought she was pretty accurate other than some stuff. Chinese "astrology" I found to be more accurate though...

Guess my sign AK85 and no cheating by searching older posts! ;D


Capricorn, Gemini or Scorpio  8)
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: nerspi on June 27, 2010, 06:05:58 AM
Would Mohammad support astrology? (I have no idea.)
shouldn't the question be 'would God support astrology?'

and i don't see why not, i think it's very similar to meteorology...
we forcast waether every day, for a week in advance, ... how do they get such knowledge? is it magic? no...
they just studied and observed how nature works...
is astrology any different?
it's just observations of nature, how energy from other planets affects earth and everyone on it...
or is it just a weird coincidence that everybody born in aries share similar characteristics?

No idea. I'm hoping someone can bring something from the Qu'ran that relates to this subject if they know of something. Like I said, I don't follow the parts that dictate your future, just the part about your profiles.
hmm, i don't remember astrology being mentioned directly in the quran, however there is mention of planets and stars... no idea if it relates.... but either way, we were told to study nature, which we did and saw how it works... and i'm sure all these heavenly bodies were not created in vain, we've seen patterns, we've seen how they affect us


ok here's me:  ;D
Rising Sign is in 01 Degrees Aries
You are a free spirit and you must be first at everything you do. Very energetic, self-assertive and active, things must be done your way. Even though you may feel calm and serene on the inside, you certainly do not act that way. You want to do everything full-tilt, 100 miles per hour! A great competitor, but a poor cooperator -- you must learn how to lose more gracefully. Very self-confident, ambitious and passionate, you radiate positive energy. You are blunt and direct, but at times unfeeling and tactless, especially if anyone offers you any resistance. You fight for your beliefs, but your tendency to act first and think later often causes you much grief.

Sun is in 11 Degrees Gemini.
You have a quick, bright and agile mind, but an extremely short attention span. You love the external, kaleidoscopic aspects of life, but you tend to avoid (and even fear) deep, close emotional involvements. As such, you seem to enjoy travel and sightseeing and generally being "on-the-go." You get quite listless when things around you become static and dull, but your excitement returns whenever you are stimulated by a new idea. Chatty, inquisitive and quite playful, you enjoy practical jokes and games in general. Your moods change quickly and often -- you are very restless and constantly in motion. You are known for your versatility and adaptability. Your vivaciousness enlivens any social gathering.

Moon is in 10 Degrees Aries.
High-spirited and courageous, you are a fighter when your emotions are aroused. The degree of force and drive that you can bring to any effort sometimes surprises others. You have hair-trigger reactions to specific stimuli and tend to "let it all hang out." You sometimes act before you think and do things on the spur of the moment, and that sometimes gets you into trouble. Your moods change quickly -- you have quite a temper, but you don't hold grudges. Very independent, with an extremely strong and forceful personality, you are known for being impulsive, careless, reckless, foolhardy, rash and daring.

Mercury is in 22 Degrees Gemini.
Your mind is active, quick and agile. You are very restless and you get bored easily. Unless you receive constant mental stimulation, you become extremely nervous and begin to act in an unstable manner. You are probably a good student because of your natural inquisitiveness. You also love to travel. Your learning tends to be superficial, though, because you have a relatively short attention span. Try to develop the mental discipline to finish what you start. Also, you tend to talk on at times seemingly just to fill space -- make sure that your conversation has some substance to it or others will start avoiding you.

Venus is in 13 Degrees Cancer.
You like to be very close to other people. You need emotional support yourself and are willing to give it to others. When you feel unloved and insecure, you can be very jealous and possessive. You are not interested in casual or superficial relationships -- only deep emotional involvements interest you. Your faithful devotion is one of your greatest gifts, but be careful not to become too dependent on others. Learn to stand on your own two feet and demand your own rights once in a while.

Mars is in 22 Degrees Capricorn.
Extremely ambitious, you are willing to work very hard to reach the goals you have set for yourself. Very practical, cautious and conservative, you demand tangible results for your efforts. You need to excel in whatever you do, and you have the required sense of responsibility, dedication and self-discipline to bring it about. Beware of your tendency to judge others only by their degree of status and prestige, or by how well they will be able to advance you in your climb to the top.

Jupiter is in 20 Degrees Pisces.
You are at your best when you give of yourself and what you have -- try to avoid being a martyr about it, though. You're a true idealist, but you must learn not to be upset when life does not cooperate with the way you think things should be. Very concerned with spiritual truth and growth, when you practice what you preach, you make an excellent role model for others. You are so devoted to altruistic ventures and concerns that you tire easily at times. It then becomes necessary for you to go off by yourself to recharge your batteries.

Saturn is in 06 Degrees Sagittarius.
Basically quite conservative, you respect traditional authority figures and are very thankful and supportive of the laws and institutions which govern your life. You learn and accept new ideas only after having very thoroughly examined them. Ideals and abstract concepts are important to you only if they can be used in some practical fashion. You are so practical and so orderly that you have natural skills in planning, administrating and organizing.

Uranus is in 20 Degrees Sagittarius.
You, and most of your peers, have the tendency to think that all ideas, customs and traditions from the past are outmoded and irrelevant. You are attracted to radically new ideas, philosophies and religions that will, hopefully, cause sweeping changes throughout the world.

Neptune is in 05 Degrees Capricorn.
You, and your entire generation, will idealize work, practicality and the ability to attain reasonable goals. But, because you will also stress the need to be selfless and giving, you may find it difficult to attain your goals unless you have lowered your expectations on all fronts.

Pluto is in 05 Degrees Scorpio.
For your entire generation, this is a period of intense research and discovery in areas that were heretofore considered mysterious, remote or taboo. The root causes for many complex occurrences will be unearthed due to the intensity and thoroughness of the search.

N. Node is in 29 Degrees Aries.
You're at your most comfortable when involved in group activities outside of your immediate family circle. You delight in getting involved with others in neighborhood civic or political activities, especially if you can be a part of the leadership of the group. Your zeal and overabundant energy bring out your real creativity when you can work toward tangible results -- things that will immediately benefit those around you. You have a real gift for getting the most out of charity drives and community benefits. Take time out between projects though, because you tire out easily and your effectiveness becomes greatly diminished when your energy is depleted. Also, don't even think of trying to get involved at a peripheral level -- you need a total commitment to feel personally fulfilled. Let others bake the cookies and set up the chairs -- you should be the one to tell everyone what to do and when to do it!
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: jaythikay99 on June 27, 2010, 06:26:14 AM
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Yusuf Ali
It is We Who have set out the zodiacal signs in the heavens, and made them fair-seeming to (all) beholders;


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Yusuf Ali
And marks and sign-posts; and by the stars (men) guide themselves.


Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: savage_carrot on June 27, 2010, 10:06:08 AM
Capricorn, Gemini or Scorpio  8)
Nope ;)... 9 to go! I wonder if this is where astrology breaks down in tears ;D
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: jaythikay99 on June 27, 2010, 10:14:48 AM
Nope ;)... 9 to go! I wonder if this is where astrology breaks down in tears ;D

let me guess...  :hmm
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: savage_carrot on June 27, 2010, 11:47:44 AM
Why, when you already know RH? :D
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: jaythikay99 on June 27, 2010, 11:51:15 AM
Why, when you already know RH? :D

Astrologists said that England was gonna win! but we lost!!  :( what is already known may not be the truth!
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on June 27, 2010, 01:21:56 PM
I used to read Linda Goodman, I loved her quotes at the start of every article, I thought she was pretty accurate other than some stuff. Chinese "astrology" I found to be more accurate though...

Guess my sign AK85 and no cheating by searching older posts! ;D



Peace

I really have no idea.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: savage_carrot on June 27, 2010, 01:58:13 PM
Astrologists said that England was gonna win! but we lost!!  :( what is already known may not be the truth!
I already predicted a german win last night much to everyone's chagrin in the chat :D

PeaceI really have no idea.
No problem.

Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Ayisha on June 27, 2010, 05:56:56 PM
aries?
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on June 27, 2010, 08:33:18 PM
I already predicted a german win last night much to everyone's chagrin in the chat :D
No problem.


peace

lol I just don't have anything to work with hence I can't really guess
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Jack on June 27, 2010, 08:42:04 PM
I already predicted a german win last night much to everyone's chagrin in the chat :D


okay, so she's a cancer..of the brain variety  :P
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: savage_carrot on June 28, 2010, 01:52:45 AM
No you guys, I'm a Libra apparently...is the peace, love and harmony not showing enough in my posts? haha
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: CavemanDoctor on June 28, 2010, 01:58:59 AM
Just want it noted for the record that I'm ashamed to share SC's sign.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: savage_carrot on June 28, 2010, 02:03:28 AM
You know you secretly love it ;)

Anyways, this is solid proof against astrology!
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on June 28, 2010, 02:21:46 AM
No you guys, I'm a Libra apparently...is the peace, love and harmony not showing enough in my posts? haha

want to post your natal chart if you don't mind?

www.alabe.com/freechart
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on June 28, 2010, 02:26:02 AM
aries?

you know that's actually not that far off, since Aries and Libra are both positive cardinal signs. Only difference is Aries is Fire and Libra is Air.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on June 28, 2010, 02:36:07 AM
You know you secretly love it ;)

Anyways, this is solid proof against astrology!

Well, Libra is between Virgo and Scorpio. It's not uncommon for people especially when it comes to their Mercury alignment for it to be aligned in the sign either right before or right after their sign.

What I'm getting at is, Virgo is the Skeptic and the Critic of the Zodiac. So perhaps your skepticism could actually point to Virgo influence in your natal chart, since as Libra you are close to Virgo.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: savage_carrot on June 28, 2010, 02:46:46 AM
http://www.alabe.com/cgi-bin/chart/astrobot.cgi?Y (http://www.alabe.com/cgi-bin/chart/astrobot.cgi?Y)

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Very sociable, you enjoy being with others and definitely prefer not be alone. Warm and affectionate, you go out of your way to make others like you.
Off. I like being with people I want to be with ONLY (I'm very picky about company and friends). I'm a bit of an extrovert but also a big time loner. I actually prefer being alone a lot of the time. I'm not warm and affectionate unless I want to be which is generally rare and do not go out of my way to make others like me as people who know me can attest to lol.

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You tend to be a slow starter and a slow mover -- others may try to rush you, but they will never succeed. Emotionally, you are quite stubborn -- your attitudes about people and things were firmly set in your youth and will change very little as an adult. You are also very cautious and conservative about spending money
I'm not a slow starter OR a slow mover. I am stubborn when I know I'm right but my attitude changes are not firmly set at all. I'm extravagant with money, very much so, I love spending money but I can stop spending and stick to it very easily.

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and are probably good at working with your hands.
I love building Lego if that's what it means.

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Venus is in 09 Degrees Virgo.
You express your love and affection through selfless service to people or causes.
Completely off.

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Your moods are very important to your overall well-being.
Does this not apply to everyone?!?

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You must be emotionally secure in order to grow and develop. You are happiest when your family and community support and nourish you and boost your morale. Whether your childhood experiences of love and emotional dependability were positive or negative will set the tone for your emotional growth and stability as an adult. When you feel at ease with yourself, you are able to offer assistance to those who need a helping hand.
Don't know what it's talking about here, but I had an extremely tough "growing up" period and it didn't hamper me in the least imo. I personally have been the black sheep of the family and have never really cared about community. the rest is just so general it can apply to everyone anywhere.

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rather than associating with those who might besmirch your reputation
I actually don't care about rep as such.

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you will avoid anything that is casual or superficial, especially when it comes to relationships
Completely agree.

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You will seek out and explore new methods of healing as well as different ways to deal with deep-seated emotional problems.
New methods of "healing"? lol
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You will be at the forefront of humanitarian attempts to improve the lot of those who are in need of assistance. You will be comfortable with the concept of the "global village."
I'm not sure, I think it's confusing me with an activist.

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N. Node is in 15 Degrees Libra.
You find it very difficult to be comfortable being alone
disagree

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You're the perfect "team player" willing to sacrifice your own importance so that the group goal can be accomplished. Be careful, however, not to become overly dependent on your interactions with others -- you have personal private needs that should not be neglected.
I can take one for the team I can!
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: savage_carrot on June 28, 2010, 02:56:05 AM
Well, Libra is between Virgo and Scorpio. It's not uncommon for people especially when it comes to their Mercury alignment for it to be aligned in the sign either right before or right after their sign.

What I'm getting at is, Virgo is the Skeptic and the Critic of the Zodiac. So perhaps your skepticism could actually point to Virgo influence in your natal chart, since as Libra you are close to Virgo.

Mercury is in 23 Degrees Virgo.
Very thorough and efficient, you pay attention to the minor but important details of any project. You are a careful thinker who can learn complicated, intricate techniques. You are attracted to practical, useful skills and are probably good at working with your hands. You are very critical of yourself and others, sometimes too much so, and you get the reputation of being a nag or of being nit-picky. Your first reaction to any situation is to try to organize, classify and analyze everything!

I actually agree somewhat with this because it makes me look brilliant until it comes to the nag part :P
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Ayisha on June 28, 2010, 09:07:09 AM
No you guys, I'm a Libra apparently...is the peace, love and harmony not showing enough in my posts? haha
that was going to be my next guess  ;D
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Leyna on June 28, 2010, 09:10:40 AM
Uff uff my stomach acts crazy :P

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Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on June 28, 2010, 01:57:01 PM
http://www.alabe.com/cgi-bin/chart/astrobot.cgi?Y (http://www.alabe.com/cgi-bin/chart/astrobot.cgi?Y)
Off. I like being with people I want to be with ONLY (I'm very picky about company and friends). I'm a bit of an extrovert but also a big time loner. I actually prefer being alone a lot of the time. I'm not warm and affectionate unless I want to be which is generally rare and do not go out of my way to make others like me as people who know me can attest to lol.
I'm not a slow starter OR a slow mover. I am stubborn when I know I'm right but my attitude changes are not firmly set at all. I'm extravagant with money, very much so, I love spending money but I can stop spending and stick to it very easily.
I love building Lego if that's what it means.
 Completely off.
Does this not apply to everyone?!?
Don't know what it's talking about here, but I had an extremely tough "growing up" period and it didn't hamper me in the least imo. I personally have been the black sheep of the family and have never really cared about community. the rest is just so general it can apply to everyone anywhere.
I actually don't care about rep as such.
Completely agree.
New methods of "healing"? lolI'm not sure, I think it's confusing me with an activist.
 disagree
 I can take one for the team I can!

the link for the result never works, you have to copy and paste it

moon in taurus though eh? mercury in virgo and venus in virgo too...wow we're not supposed to get along very well lol your taurus moon doesn't like my libra moon, your virgo mercury doesn't like my aquarius mercury and my aries venus doesn't like your virgo venus but hopefully we won't let our base desires/personalites hamper us from getting along

Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: CavemanDoctor on June 28, 2010, 02:18:58 PM
AK,

I've always wondered about the rationale behind astrology; hopefully you can help.  How is it that the movements of planets/stars dictate personality?  I'm not disputing with you that they do.  I'm just asking, to theorists of astrology, what is the rationale behind that general concept?  Is it a gravitational field thing?  What is it exactly about the date/time of my birth that corresponds with XYZ traits in my character?
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: savage_carrot on June 28, 2010, 02:31:44 PM
the link for the result never works, you have to copy and paste it

moon in taurus though eh? mercury in virgo and venus in virgo too...wow we're not supposed to get along very well lol your taurus moon doesn't like my libra moon, your virgo mercury doesn't like my aquarius mercury and my aries venus doesn't like your virgo venus but hopefully we won't let our base desires/personalites hamper us from getting along

Ah, didn't know the link would have issues:

Rising Sign is in 28 Degrees Taurus
Sun is in 07 Degrees Libra
Moon is in 15 Degrees Taurus
Mercury is in 23 Degrees Virgo
Venus is in 09 Degrees Virgo
Mars is in 17 Degrees Cancer
Jupiter is in 05 Degrees Cancer
Saturn is in 26 Degrees Leo
Uranus is in 10 Degrees Scorpio
Neptune is in 13 Degrees Sagittarius
Pluto is in 13 Degrees Libra
N. Node is in 15 Degrees Libra

One of the things that would stop us from getting along is bad poetry ;)
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: jaythikay99 on June 28, 2010, 03:27:26 PM
AK,

I've always wondered about the rationale behind astrology; hopefully you can help.  How is it that the movements of planets/stars dictate personality?  I'm not disputing with you that they do.  I'm just asking, to theorists of astrology, what is the rationale behind that general concept?  Is it a gravitational field thing?  What is it exactly about the date/time of my birth that corresponds with XYZ traits in my character?

Quantum Astrology (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6I_6bFynCc&feature=related)
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: umzy01 on June 28, 2010, 04:50:26 PM
wow this is so interesting!

so heres mine, i'm just going to pretend its not very accurate.... apart from the nice bits  :P



Rising Sign is in 26 Degrees Aquarius
You like new ideas and concepts, but you prefer to discover them by yourself -- it is not easy for others to convert you to anything. You form your own opinions, but once you do form them, you then want to convince everyone else that they are correct. Try to be more tolerant of the opinions of others. You have a deep and abiding interest in science, mathematics, and the great social problems of the day. Very sympathetic toward the downtrodden, equality is your battle cry! You demand that those in authority be fair to all. You are an intellectual -- emotions and emotional people are difficult for you to understand. You are known for being calm, cool, detached and objective.

Sun is in 12 Degrees Scorpio.
Intense and complex by nature, you have extremely strong emotional reactions to most situations. Feelings are often very difficult for you to verbalize. Therefore you have a tendency to be very quiet - - to brood and think a lot. You seldom get overtly angry, but, when you do, you are furious and unforgiving. When you make an emotional commitment, it is total -- you are not attracted to superficial or casual relationships. If you are challenged, you take it as a personal affront and tend to lash out and fight back in a vengeful manner. You love mysteries and the supernatural. A good detective, you love getting to the roots of problems and you enjoy finding out what makes other people tick. You are known to be very willful, very powerful and quite tenacious!

Moon is in 14 Degrees Virgo.
You tend to be serious-minded but cheerful for the most part. You need tasks that engage both your mind and your hands. A careful worker, you enjoy making things. You are neat and orderly, and are very concerned with good health habits. Fastidious to the extreme, you cannot tolerate messes and will immediately clean them up. Reserved, shy, and very self-critical, you tend to be very hard on yourself. You usually will go out of your way to be helpful and useful to others. Practical, reliable, efficient and conservative, at times you are a bit of a prude. You are known to lead a simple, uncomplicated, frugal, methodical and unemotional lifestyle. You are devoted and caring to those you love.

Mercury is in 26 Degrees Libra.
You are known for not jumping to conclusions about things. You tend to weigh all possible choices very carefully before making a decision. When in the slightest amount of doubt, you will compromise rather than ruffle any feathers. You are a true raconteur of culture and taste -- your ideas and opinions are neat, elegant and refined. A born diplomat, you dislike discord so much that you will go out of your way to make others feel comfortable and at ease. You speak softly and pleasantly.

Venus is in 06 Degrees Libra.
A very friendly and outgoing person, you hate to be alone. Beware of a continuing tendency to compromise yourself in order to avoid being lonely. Try to be yourself, not what others would like you to be. You have an innate desire to be in refined and elegant surroundings and will go out of your way to create a plush and comfortable atmosphere around you. You have heightened aesthetic sensibilities and are attracted to music and the arts. Try to avoid using your well-known seductive charm in order to get out of doing what you consider to be dirty work!

Mars is in 00 Degrees Aries.
You are very independent and self-assertive, and you have lots of physical energy. You are not satisfied unless you can be the first to do something. As such, you are more comfortable in leadership positions than you are as an underling. When you are challenged by anyone for anything, you delight in the competitive process and will fight long and hard for your beliefs. You are bold and courageous and often act without thinking. At times, in your zeal to get ahead, you are tactless and offensive -- learn that cooperation with others can often bring you nearer to your goals quicker because of the support you will get.

Jupiter is in 03 Degrees Gemini.
You have a logical, detached, objective view of most things. Your interests are wide-ranging and you are an avid student, with expertise in many different areas. You love to work things out in your mind -- everything you do is reduced to an exercise in logic and reason. You have the ability to grasp abstractions and to deal successfully with the larger issues of life. Your overemphasis on developing your powerful intellect can cause your emotional and intuitive abilities to atrophy unless you consciously choose to exercise them.

Saturn is in 29 Degrees Sagittarius.
Basically quite conservative, you respect traditional authority figures and are very thankful and supportive of the laws and institutions which govern your life. You learn and accept new ideas only after having very thoroughly examined them. Ideals and abstract concepts are important to you only if they can be used in some practical fashion. You are so practical and so orderly that you have natural skills in planning, administrating and organizing.

Uranus is in 28 Degrees Sagittarius.
You, and most of your peers, have the tendency to think that all ideas, customs and traditions from the past are outmoded and irrelevant. You are attracted to radically new ideas, philosophies and religions that will, hopefully, cause sweeping changes throughout the world.

Neptune is in 08 Degrees Capricorn.
You, and your entire generation, will idealize work, practicality and the ability to attain reasonable goals. But, because you will also stress the need to be selfless and giving, you may find it difficult to attain your goals unless you have lowered your expectations on all fronts.

Pluto is in 12 Degrees Scorpio.
For your entire generation, this is a period of intense research and discovery in areas that were heretofore considered mysterious, remote or taboo. The root causes for many complex occurrences will be unearthed due to the intensity and thoroughness of the search.

N. Node is in 12 Degrees Pisces.
You're attracted to others who need your assistance. You seem to go out of your way to form relationships with those who are weak, sick, injured, addicted or troubled in some way or other. At your best you can indeed provide the relief that others need. But at times you can be victimized by those who would prey on your good nature and take advantage of you. This can lead to all sorts of negative situations -- make sure that those you assist are truly worthy of your time, energy and commitment. A little enlightened self-protectiveness on your part can make your life work much, much smoother!
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on June 28, 2010, 07:47:42 PM
AK,

I've always wondered about the rationale behind astrology; hopefully you can help.  How is it that the movements of planets/stars dictate personality?  I'm not disputing with you that they do.  I'm just asking, to theorists of astrology, what is the rationale behind that general concept?  Is it a gravitational field thing?  What is it exactly about the date/time of my birth that corresponds with XYZ traits in my character?

To be honest, I can't really answer your questions but I think it does have something to do with the gravitational field thing.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on June 28, 2010, 07:49:45 PM
wow this is so interesting!

so heres mine, i'm just going to pretend its not very accurate.... apart from the nice bits  :P



Rising Sign is in 26 Degrees Aquarius
You like new ideas and concepts, but you prefer to discover them by yourself -- it is not easy for others to convert you to anything. You form your own opinions, but once you do form them, you then want to convince everyone else that they are correct. Try to be more tolerant of the opinions of others. You have a deep and abiding interest in science, mathematics, and the great social problems of the day. Very sympathetic toward the downtrodden, equality is your battle cry! You demand that those in authority be fair to all. You are an intellectual -- emotions and emotional people are difficult for you to understand. You are known for being calm, cool, detached and objective.

Sun is in 12 Degrees Scorpio.
Intense and complex by nature, you have extremely strong emotional reactions to most situations. Feelings are often very difficult for you to verbalize. Therefore you have a tendency to be very quiet - - to brood and think a lot. You seldom get overtly angry, but, when you do, you are furious and unforgiving. When you make an emotional commitment, it is total -- you are not attracted to superficial or casual relationships. If you are challenged, you take it as a personal affront and tend to lash out and fight back in a vengeful manner. You love mysteries and the supernatural. A good detective, you love getting to the roots of problems and you enjoy finding out what makes other people tick. You are known to be very willful, very powerful and quite tenacious!

Moon is in 14 Degrees Virgo.
You tend to be serious-minded but cheerful for the most part. You need tasks that engage both your mind and your hands. A careful worker, you enjoy making things. You are neat and orderly, and are very concerned with good health habits. Fastidious to the extreme, you cannot tolerate messes and will immediately clean them up. Reserved, shy, and very self-critical, you tend to be very hard on yourself. You usually will go out of your way to be helpful and useful to others. Practical, reliable, efficient and conservative, at times you are a bit of a prude. You are known to lead a simple, uncomplicated, frugal, methodical and unemotional lifestyle. You are devoted and caring to those you love.

Mercury is in 26 Degrees Libra.
You are known for not jumping to conclusions about things. You tend to weigh all possible choices very carefully before making a decision. When in the slightest amount of doubt, you will compromise rather than ruffle any feathers. You are a true raconteur of culture and taste -- your ideas and opinions are neat, elegant and refined. A born diplomat, you dislike discord so much that you will go out of your way to make others feel comfortable and at ease. You speak softly and pleasantly.

Venus is in 06 Degrees Libra.
A very friendly and outgoing person, you hate to be alone. Beware of a continuing tendency to compromise yourself in order to avoid being lonely. Try to be yourself, not what others would like you to be. You have an innate desire to be in refined and elegant surroundings and will go out of your way to create a plush and comfortable atmosphere around you. You have heightened aesthetic sensibilities and are attracted to music and the arts. Try to avoid using your well-known seductive charm in order to get out of doing what you consider to be dirty work!

Mars is in 00 Degrees Aries.
You are very independent and self-assertive, and you have lots of physical energy. You are not satisfied unless you can be the first to do something. As such, you are more comfortable in leadership positions than you are as an underling. When you are challenged by anyone for anything, you delight in the competitive process and will fight long and hard for your beliefs. You are bold and courageous and often act without thinking. At times, in your zeal to get ahead, you are tactless and offensive -- learn that cooperation with others can often bring you nearer to your goals quicker because of the support you will get.

Jupiter is in 03 Degrees Gemini.
You have a logical, detached, objective view of most things. Your interests are wide-ranging and you are an avid student, with expertise in many different areas. You love to work things out in your mind -- everything you do is reduced to an exercise in logic and reason. You have the ability to grasp abstractions and to deal successfully with the larger issues of life. Your overemphasis on developing your powerful intellect can cause your emotional and intuitive abilities to atrophy unless you consciously choose to exercise them.

Saturn is in 29 Degrees Sagittarius.
Basically quite conservative, you respect traditional authority figures and are very thankful and supportive of the laws and institutions which govern your life. You learn and accept new ideas only after having very thoroughly examined them. Ideals and abstract concepts are important to you only if they can be used in some practical fashion. You are so practical and so orderly that you have natural skills in planning, administrating and organizing.

Uranus is in 28 Degrees Sagittarius.
You, and most of your peers, have the tendency to think that all ideas, customs and traditions from the past are outmoded and irrelevant. You are attracted to radically new ideas, philosophies and religions that will, hopefully, cause sweeping changes throughout the world.

Neptune is in 08 Degrees Capricorn.
You, and your entire generation, will idealize work, practicality and the ability to attain reasonable goals. But, because you will also stress the need to be selfless and giving, you may find it difficult to attain your goals unless you have lowered your expectations on all fronts.

Pluto is in 12 Degrees Scorpio.
For your entire generation, this is a period of intense research and discovery in areas that were heretofore considered mysterious, remote or taboo. The root causes for many complex occurrences will be unearthed due to the intensity and thoroughness of the search.

N. Node is in 12 Degrees Pisces.
You're attracted to others who need your assistance. You seem to go out of your way to form relationships with those who are weak, sick, injured, addicted or troubled in some way or other. At your best you can indeed provide the relief that others need. But at times you can be victimized by those who would prey on your good nature and take advantage of you. This can lead to all sorts of negative situations -- make sure that those you assist are truly worthy of your time, energy and commitment. A little enlightened self-protectiveness on your part can make your life work much, much smoother!

Were you born in 1988 by any chance? I've made some for Scorpios from 1988 and they had a venus in libra and a mars in aries too. Of course its not only Scorpios from 1988 that have this alignment lol.

George Clooney is nowhere close to my age, but like me he has both Venus and Mars in Aries too. Except that he's a Taurus and I'm an Aquarius
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: umzy01 on June 29, 2010, 06:02:31 AM
Were you born in 1988 by any chance? I've made some for Scorpios from 1988 and they had a venus in libra and a mars in aries too. Of course its not only Scorpios from 1988 that have this alignment lol.

George Clooney is nowhere close to my age, but like me he has both Venus and Mars in Aries too. Except that he's a Taurus and I'm an Aquarius

i jus had to double check i didnt accidently add the bit with my DOB and place of birth, yeah i was born in 1988, how odd, so from this can you tell what kind sign would i best or least get along with?

i'm so intrigued now!
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Leyna on June 29, 2010, 06:15:10 AM
want to post your natal chart if you don't mind?

www.alabe.com/freechart

I forgot at which time I was born.  :-\
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Ayisha on June 29, 2010, 06:18:01 AM
I forgot at which time I was born.  :-\
you were there  ;D

You can put 12 o'clock in the thingy if you dont know the exact time.

Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Leyna on June 29, 2010, 06:27:55 AM

Yes, I know, but it will distort the results. As has been mentioned on here, your character traits are not only determined by your star sign, but also by other factors. I think it's important to take those into consideration as well, or you will get a one-dimensional interpretation.

I remember I did a chart many years ago, so I do know I'm a double cancer (rising sign is cancer too) which is not really that great. :P And I do know I was born around the wee hours of the morning ... but I can't for the life of me remember the exact time.  :confused:
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: jaythikay99 on June 29, 2010, 07:40:27 AM
why do mostly women follow these kinds of things?  :hmm
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Jack on June 29, 2010, 05:00:41 PM
Decipher this:

Quote
Rising Sign   is in   12 Degrees   Cancer
Very sensitive by nature, you prefer to be in your own familiar surroundings. Cautious and conservative, you make changes in your life only very slowly, if at all. You do not open up easily to strangers. Friendships are made for life, however -- once given, your trust is forever. Your mother, your home as a child and your early family life in general are very important to you. You are also very sentimental. When you feel self- confident, you are gentle, giving and protective of the needs of others. But when you feel insecure or threatened, you become overly sensitive to criticism, shy, withdrawn and moody. You have a strong need for security -- in the sense that you are being loved, nourished and protected.

Sun is in   08 Degrees   Leo.
More than a bit of a showoff, you love to be the center of attention! But others do not usually mind because they tend to enjoy your genuine warmth and affection. Very spirited and willful, proud and self-important at times, you demand your own way. You are quite honest, however, and the respect of others is very important to you. You never compromise yourself and you pursue your goals with persistence and dedication. Your regal presence and demeanor draws you to positions of leadership and authority. But beware of being overly hardheaded, domineering, ostentatious or patronizing or you will lose the goodwill and admiration that you enjoy. Very theatrical, you live life on a grand scale wherever and whenever possible. Your strength and energy vitalizes those who come in contact with you.

Moon is in   26 Degrees   Virgo.
You tend to be serious-minded but cheerful for the most part. You need tasks that engage both your mind and your hands. A careful worker, you enjoy making things. You are neat and orderly, and are very concerned with good health habits. Fastidious to the extreme, you cannot tolerate messes and will immediately clean them up. Reserved, shy, and very self-critical, you tend to be very hard on yourself. You usually will go out of your way to be helpful and useful to others. Practical, reliable, efficient and conservative, at times you are a bit of a prude. You are known to lead a simple, uncomplicated, frugal, methodical and unemotional lifestyle. You are devoted and caring to those you love.

Mercury is in   06 Degrees   Virgo.
Very thorough and efficient, you pay attention to the minor but important details of any project. You are a careful thinker who can learn complicated, intricate techniques. You are attracted to practical, useful skills and are probably good at working with your hands. You are very critical of yourself and others, sometimes too much so, and you get the reputation of being a nag or of being nit-picky. Your first reaction to any situation is to try to organize, classify and analyze everything!

Venus is in   21 Degrees   Leo.
You have a striking, regal appearance and demeanor that attracts others to you. Your friendship is highly sought and you tend to take friendships quite seriously -- you remain loyal and true to those to whom you are attached. For you, love is mixed with pride and respect. Relationships are over when you lose respect for your partner. Be careful of a tendency to relate only to those who make you look good -- the powerful, important and influential. This can lead to arrogance and selfishness, and neither of these qualities becomes you.

Mars is in   21 Degrees   Scorpio.
Your likes and dislikes are strong and intense, never casual or superficial. You are known for your persistence and willful obsession. Once you have decided on a course of action, you are unstoppable. Your emotional actions tend to be extreme, although you try to keep them muted. You are not quick to anger, you do slow burns. And you tend to release your anger as sarcasm or irony. Beware of your tendency to hold grudges and to be vengeful. When you do fight, or release your internal tensions, you do so body and soul -- you become totally passionate and your outbursts are awesome to behold.

Jupiter is in   04 Degrees   Capricorn.
You tend to feel that the only results that are worthwhile are the results that are concrete and demonstrable. You distrust abstract solutions and appreciate measurable achievements. An excellent organizer and planner, you are optimistic as well as practical and realistic about what can and what cannot happen. Very responsible, you consider it a personal weakness to be wrong about anything. This makes you appropriately cautious. You are very efficient but you tend to be cool and detached.

Saturn is in   09 Degrees   Scorpio.
You tend to release emotional energies only very reluctantly. This is partly due to your fear of what horrible calamity might occur should they be released -- your emotions are terribly complicated and intense. Try not to repress these energies entirely, however, or you will succumb to negative and destructive forms of compulsive behavior. Give yourself the freedom to look awkward or silly once in a while. The relief you feel will be quite therapeutic and the embarrassment (whether it is real or imagined) will pass quickly.

Uranus is in   09 Degrees   Sagittarius.
You, and most of your peers, have the tendency to think that all ideas, customs and traditions from the past are outmoded and irrelevant. You are attracted to radically new ideas, philosophies and religions that will, hopefully, cause sweeping changes throughout the world.

Neptune is in   29 Degrees   Sagittarius.
You, and your entire generation, are heavily involved in investigating and idealizing foreign and exotic intellectual systems and religious philosophies. The most extreme ideals will be pursued with gusto. You will be at the forefront of humanitarian attempts to improve the lot of those who are in need of assistance. You will be comfortable with the concept of the "global village."

Pluto is in   29 Degrees   Libra.
For your entire generation, this is a time of radical changes in society's attitude toward marriage and interpersonal relationships. There is a general fear and awe at the power inherent in making emotional or contractual commitments -- they will not be entered into lightly.

N. Node is in   04 Degrees   Gemini.
You will consciously seek out many different contacts with others throughout your life. Many of these will be of very short duration, not necessarily because you're fickle, but just because you always seem to be more excited by the prospect of meeting someone new rather than prolonging your present relationships. At any rate, you will learn something new from almost everyone you come across -- intellectual stimulation is what you crave from others. You will be well known to neighbors and relatives, partly due to your curiosity about what they're doing -- you delight in keeping up-to-date about the latest news (and gossip).
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on June 29, 2010, 10:42:29 PM
Yes, I know, but it will distort the results. As has been mentioned on here, your character traits are not only determined by your star sign, but also by other factors. I think it's important to take those into consideration as well, or you will get a one-dimensional interpretation.

I remember I did a chart many years ago, so I do know I'm a double cancer (rising sign is cancer too) which is not really that great. :P And I do know I was born around the wee hours of the morning ... but I can't for the life of me remember the exact time.  :confused:

I think it only distorts the rising sign, not the entire chart. For the entire chart to be distorted you have to enter the wrong place (this is actually very important, I experimented with mine with two birth places, one in Toronto and one in Ad Dammam [where I was actually born] and when I entered Toronto, my moon alignment was in Scorpio, but when I entered my actual birthplace it is in Libra. Overall I think the Libra one is most accurate in comparison to the moon in Scorpio description. I've met people with moons in fixed signs (like Scorpio, Leo, Taurus and Aquarius), I'm not like them at all. I find some basic similarity with people with moons in cardinal signs like mine (Libra, Aries, Cancer and Capricorn)

I think there is something out there that helps you determine manually what your rising sign is. Of course you need to know when you were born for this. I know that it happens in two hour intervals, i.e. I was born at 4:50-55 p.m., the rising sign in Leo for Aquarius is 4:00 to 6:00 p.m.

Funny thing is Leo is the opposite of Aquarius, so apparently I come across as opposite of how I actually am.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on June 29, 2010, 11:02:11 PM
i jus had to double check i didnt accidently add the bit with my DOB and place of birth, yeah i was born in 1988, how odd, so from this can you tell what kind sign would i best or least get along with?

i'm so intrigued now!

I added my treatise on the first page I think, which explains everything and gives you the formula to figure it out your and other people's relationship potentials (both romantic and friendship) but I'll do a little personal analysis for you


This is the person that would despise you the most:

Rising Sign in Virgo
Sun in Gemini
Moon in Aries
Mercury in Taurus
Venus in Taurus
Mars in Scorpio

You'd despise this person the most:

Rising Sign in Cancer
Sun in Aries
Moon Aquarius
Mercury in Pisces
Venus in Pisces
Mars in Virgo

These are two people you'd like the most:

Rising Sign in Gemini or Sagitarrius
Sun in Pisces or Virgo
Moon in Capricorn or Cancer
Mercury in Aquarius or Leo
Venus in Aquarius or Leo
Mars in Leo or Aquarius

These two people that would like you the most:

Rising Sign in Libra or Aries
Sun in Cancer or Capricorn
Moon in Taurus or Scorpio
Mercury in Gemini or Sagitarrius
Venus in Gemini or Sagitarrius
Mars Sagitarrius or Gemini

The above two can have a combination of alignments from both categories (people you'd like the most and people who would like you the most) and that would be the best actually, because you would both like things about each other. The people you'd like the most would get bored of you, and you'd get bored of people who would like you the most.

Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on June 29, 2010, 11:13:34 PM
Decipher this:


lol. Ok well I'll do it in relation to me first:

Rising Sign   is in   12 Degrees   Cancer
Sun is in   08 Degrees   Leo. (Mine is Aquarius, we are both positive fixed signs so although you are fire and I am air, we are still both fixed positive so on some things we can see eye to eye and find things about each other which we can respect, while at the same time respectfully disagreeing about certain things.)
Moon is in   26 Degrees   Virgo.
Mercury is in   06 Degrees   Virgo. (Your moon despises my moon, which is in Aquarius. Virgo is mutable earth while Aquarius is fixed air. Mutable doesn't care for fixed, mutable is changeable while fixed is stubborn mutable doesn't like that...and earth is about pragmatism while air is about abstractness so earth doesn't like air)
Venus is in   21 Degrees   Leo. (My venus is in Aries, a fire sign like yours, and Aries is cardinal while Leo is fixed, cardinal likes fixed [no uhhh...homo])
Mars is in   21 Degrees   Scorpio. (Your mars despises my mars, which is in Aries. Scorpio is fixed water while Aries is cardinal fire. Fixed does not care for cardinal, fixed is..well fixed and set while cardinal is indecisive...water is emotional and sometimes manipulative and good at feeling/detecting other's emotional state while fire can be passionate in a narrow and inconsiderate way, this is something water does not like...I'm not good at explaining why water doesn't like fire)

Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Jack on June 30, 2010, 04:30:13 AM
Thanks. Okay, this time in English please  :P

What is my sign and how did you determine it?

I don't believe in astrology. These so called 'traits' are very obscure and thus can 'fit' in with a variety of people. Throw enough darts at the wall, and eventually you
ll hit the target.
...Much like psychics who "talk to the dead".

Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: umzy01 on June 30, 2010, 05:19:58 AM
I added my treatise on the first page I think, which explains everything and gives you the formula to figure it out your and other people's relationship potentials (both romantic and friendship) but I'll do a little personal analysis for you


This is the person that would despise you the most:

Rising Sign in Virgo
Sun in Gemini
Moon in Aries
Mercury in Taurus
Venus in Taurus
Mars in Scorpio

You'd despise this person the most:

Rising Sign in Cancer
Sun in Aries
Moon Aquarius
Mercury in Pisces
Venus in Pisces
Mars in Virgo

These are two people you'd like the most:

Rising Sign in Gemini or Sagitarrius
Sun in Pisces or Virgo
Moon in Capricorn or Cancer
Mercury in Aquarius or Leo
Venus in Aquarius or Leo
Mars in Leo or Aquarius

These two people that would like you the most:

Rising Sign in Libra or Aries
Sun in Cancer or Capricorn
Moon in Taurus or Scorpio
Mercury in Gemini or Sagitarrius
Venus in Gemini or Sagitarrius
Mars Sagitarrius or Gemini

The above two can have a combination of alignments from both categories (people you'd like the most and people who would like you the most) and that would be the best actually, because you would both like things about each other. The people you'd like the most would get bored of you, and you'd get bored of people who would like you the most.



thanks AK85!

I'll be checking these results to see if my match actually matches up with this... should be interesting :)
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on June 30, 2010, 05:32:48 AM
Thanks. Okay, this time in English please  :P

What is my sign and how did you determine it?

I don't believe in astrology. These so called 'traits' are very obscure and thus can 'fit' in with a variety of people. Throw enough darts at the wall, and eventually you
ll hit the target.
...Much like psychics who "talk to the dead".



You posted it yourself? I'm assuming that was your natal chart you posted. Its not always easy to tell on a online forum though sometimes you can get clues about certain things
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Jack on June 30, 2010, 03:34:16 PM
You posted it yourself? I'm assuming that was your natal chart you posted. Its not always easy to tell on a online forum though sometimes you can get clues about certain things

It was mine, yes. This chart is just confusing to me is all.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on June 30, 2010, 07:00:55 PM
It was mine, yes. This chart is just confusing to me is all.

this is how you read it:

rising sign: personality you portray i.e. "the shell"
sun: your base personality
moon: the way your emotions work
mercury: the way your mind works
venus: your love style
mars: your energy style
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Jack on June 30, 2010, 07:08:07 PM
Thanks.

Yeah, that just doesn't befit my personality. Interesting though
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: savage_carrot on July 01, 2010, 01:04:42 AM
Thanks.

Yeah, that just doesn't befit my personality. Interesting though
I disagree with everything except what makes me look good, that's it.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: mohamad itani on July 01, 2010, 01:50:29 PM
It is an intresting subject to try to find a relation between us our star signs and the Quran.
I am sure one can find a lot.
But those signs can tell a lot about us,they cannot tell the future.
How do I put this?
Ok it is like knowing what color will come out of a certain mixture. And those signs can mean more than just a relation with human beings.
They might have a different outcome then peviously thought.
Mostly to me I think they are beautifull to look at,as for other things I think they directly affect the dreams we have at night.
They in contact with oursubconcious.
There is direct resemblence
still there are much more to learn,nearly assuming that they are tools for prediction is nonsense,it is like saying we cannot go to the moon because it is only a light.
If one lookS at the Quran with an open mind it is there but one has to erase what he knows.
It is like a machine to use,but how.
The Quran will show us,remmember dreams are a big thing to research I would suggest that one knows his Quran first.

Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: sarah_bd_gemini on July 02, 2010, 08:50:38 AM
Rising Sign   is in   17 Degrees   Leo
You love to be the center of attention and you want to appear strong, confident and dominant. You are very proud of yourself, sometimes quite vain even. When all around you are bedraggled and falling apart, you look like a million bucks! Very dignified and honorable, you enjoy the power and privilege, but not the responsibilities, that come with leadership. You are very idealistic but can also be quite stubborn. Others impress you only if they have integrity (but wealth, power and influence can also turn your head). You prefer rich, elegant surroundings and possessions, and will try to acquire them as your budget allows. Physically, you are very impressive - - at your best you have a regal, charismatic demeanor and bearing. Try not to be such a showoff!

totally off

Sun is in   04 Degrees   Gemini.
You have a quick, bright and agile mind, but an extremely short attention span. You love the external, kaleidoscopic aspects of life, but you tend to avoid (and even fear) deep, close emotional involvements. As such, you seem to enjoy travel and sightseeing and generally being "on-the-go." You get quite listless when things around you become static and dull, but your excitement returns whenever you are stimulated by a new idea. Chatty, inquisitive and quite playful, you enjoy practical jokes and games in general. Your moods change quickly and often -- you are very restless and constantly in motion. You are known for your versatility and adaptability. Your vivaciousness enlivens any social gathering.

mostly off

Moon is in   28 Degrees   Capricorn.
You are serious and shy and very uncomfortable in those situations where spontaneous and exuberant emotional reactions seem called for. An achiever, you prefer doing practical, worthwhile things that produce tangible results. You need role models to respect, love and emulate. You tend to feel that you're a failure unless you get an important and highly respected position in life. Don't be so hard on yourself! For you, practical needs always win out over emotional considerations. Remember that you too have the right to comfort, security and love. Dutiful and patient, when you make an emotional commitment, you sign on for the long haul -- your love is long- enduring.

half off

Mercury is in   01 Degrees   Gemini.
Your mind is active, quick and agile. You are very restless and you get bored easily. Unless you receive constant mental stimulation, you become extremely nervous and begin to act in an unstable manner. You are probably a good student because of your natural inquisitiveness. You also love to travel. Your learning tends to be superficial, though, because you have a relatively short attention span. Try to develop the mental discipline to finish what you start. Also, you tend to talk on at times seemingly just to fill space -- make sure that your conversation has some substance to it or others will start avoiding you.

mostly off

Venus is in   17 Degrees   Gemini.
You are friendly, warm, open and tolerant toward others. You love variety in relationships, indeed you may even prefer to maintain more than one relationship at a time! Very witty and humorous, you have the ability to amuse and please others. This makes you quite popular. You love to play the field and thus find it difficult to settle down and make any deep emotional commitments. Your innate charm and vivacity makes you welcome most everywhere you go.

half off

Mars is in   16 Degrees   Cancer.
Your moods are very important to your overall well-being. You are confident and self-assertive when you are feeling upbeat, and you are retiring, irritable and grumpy when you get depressed about anything. Very sensitive, you wear your heart on your sleeve. You are easily angered whenever you think someone has slighted you. It is best for you to show your anger immediately and let it all out, rather than to try to hold it in or to hold grudges for a long time. You're extremely loyal and defensive of your family, neighborhood, community and culture.

this is so general. and the specific parts are off as well

Jupiter is in   15 Degrees   Gemini.
You have a logical, detached, objective view of most things. Your interests are wide-ranging and you are an avid student, with expertise in many different areas. You love to work things out in your mind -- everything you do is reduced to an exercise in logic and reason. You have the ability to grasp abstractions and to deal successfully with the larger issues of life. Your overemphasis on developing your powerful intellect can cause your emotional and intuitive abilities to atrophy unless you consciously choose to exercise them.

only the logical part is accurate

Saturn is in   13 Degrees   Capricorn.
Very serious-minded and mature, you have the ability to take on responsibilities and to carry out important duties. You can also be trusted to be extremely practical and thrifty. A good organizer, you are the ideal one to be counted on to take a clearly defined project through to its logical conclusion. An achiever, you pride yourself on your ability to focus your attention totally on some worthy goal and then attain it.

organisation is not my strong point

Uranus is in   04 Degrees   Capricorn.
You, and your peer group as well, seek out practical solutions to a changing society's attitudes to customs, traditions and authority structures. Your logical and orderly manner of dealing with these matters will result in permanent and carefully planned, but sweeping, reforms.

Seriously?

Neptune is in   11 Degrees   Capricorn.
You, and your entire generation, will idealize work, practicality and the ability to attain reasonable goals. But, because you will also stress the need to be selfless and giving, you may find it difficult to attain your goals unless you have lowered your expectations on all fronts.

could it be more general?

Pluto is in   13 Degrees   Scorpio.
For your entire generation, this is a period of intense research and discovery in areas that were heretofore considered mysterious, remote or taboo. The root causes for many complex occurrences will be unearthed due to the intensity and thoroughness of the search.

isn't that true for the entirety of the past 70 years or so?

N. Node is in   29 Degrees   Aquarius.
As long as someone else (or a group or organization) appeals to your intellectual sensibilities, you'll try to ally yourself with them in some way. You may find that you always seem to get involved with many wide-ranging groups -- so much so that you find it difficult to fit them all into your busy schedule. Your many friends and acquaintances provide you with needed stimulation. You're loyal and fair-minded -- you try to spend time equally with all your friends, never concentrating on just one or two for any length of time. Although probably quite conservative yourself, you're attracted to those who are a bit offbeat or eccentric -- you enjoy watching their minds work.

mostly off

This is worse than someone blindly guessing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forer_effect

Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on July 03, 2010, 12:11:43 AM
I don't what to say except that I don't have much to say either when I make a guess about someone's sign or temperament and I'm right? I can't argue with that. It's not hard for me to guess fixed sign alignments, especially when it comes to people's moon alignments.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Alen on July 03, 2010, 04:35:53 AM
Peace,
Respect.

I don't believe that astrology has any impact on our lives and my personal opinion is that this thing is just mere statistc.
I mean, it's easy to pile up all the info on people let's say born in January. And then find common denominators and then give people what they wanna hear.
I remember when this liar said to my father that he will receive a lot of money soon. He was looking at my father's palm ..... :confused:
Of course, he's gonna get  alot of money because of all the blisters and you can see the dirt on his hand, of course he's gonna get lots of money, it would be a crime if he didn't.

No disrespect.
May God guide us all on The Straight Path.
Peace.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on July 03, 2010, 05:47:20 AM
Peace,
Respect.

I don't believe that astrology has any impact on our lives and my personal opinion is that this thing is just mere statistc.
I mean, it's easy to pile up all the info on people let's say born in January. And then find common denominators and then give people what they wanna hear.
I remember when this liar said to my father that he will receive a lot of money soon. He was looking at my father's palm ..... :confused:
Of course, he's gonna get  alot of money because of all the blisters and you can see the dirt on his hand, of course he's gonna get lots of money, it would be a crime if he didn't.

No disrespect.
May God guide us all on The Straight Path.
Peace.

peace

of course, I don't believe in the future telling aspect of it, but with my own experience the personality profile aspect can be accurate, in my experience anyway
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: stan-b. on July 03, 2010, 01:08:03 PM
Coming from a prior Christian background, I think this passage fits astrology well in the light of God's view: Isaiah 8:19 & 20:  And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
I am sure the quran also speaks against astrology, just need more familiarity.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on July 03, 2010, 07:13:37 PM
Being completely honest, I think all of us can say when we read certain commandments in the Qu'ran we perhaps may say "I agree with/like this passage, this passage is something I believed in practicing before I decided to become muslim/even read the Qu'ran. This passage confirms a goodness/ethic that I want to practice" Along with passages which go against our desires but we must practice anyways. For example as an Aquarius I feel no restraint in challenging and questioning authority but this is must be controlled, as I must respect and obey my parents and not sound ungrateful and negative even though my desires as an Aquarius is to challenge them loudly and provocatively. A Leo may take exception with the verse which says not to remind people of their charity, as lovers of the spotlight they may find it difficult to deal with this but we have to control our desires and submit to the Deen. Being a Leo though, one of their good traits made manifest by Allah is their generosity and willingness to be charitable.)

My other point, is that all signs have negative traits, but by submitting to Allah and the Deen, we can nullilfy these negative traits. There are commandments in the Deen which strengthen and encourage the erasure of negative traits for each sign.

For example, patient perseverance can drastically change an Aries and practicing it can make him/her unrecognizable to someone who would otherwise very easily spot an Aries.

For example, enduring insult and jeering for them practicing their religion or their ways and staying on the right path can drastically change a Leo (they love compliments but cannot stand insults) and practicing this can make him/her unrecognizable to someone who would otherwise very easily spot a Leo. Patient perseverance can also help a Leo (again, in regards to insults)

For example, a good response is better than a bad response and forgiving being better than desiring revenge is something that can drastically change a Scorpio and practicing it can make him/her unrecognizable to someone who would otherwise be able to very easily spot a Scorpio.

For example, speaking kind words and covering faults can drastically change a Virgo (they can be very critical, sometimes I guess in an insensitive way and point out many faulty things) and practicing it can make him/her unrecognizable to someone who would otherwise be able to very easily spot a Virgo.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: GODsubmitter on July 17, 2012, 04:28:56 AM
Thank you for starting this thread @AK85  :)

I also liked astrology very much, and studied it seriously, until I found out how some Alan Leo, together with some hysterical women, created the "modern astrology" in the 19th century, mixing cheap psychology with petty modernized mysticism. (Some contemporary astrologers are trying to restore the pristine one now)  8)

Then I turned to ancient Greek astrology, which has more accurate "house" system, and that led me to ancient Egyptian, Jewish, even Arabic and Muslim astrology! And so on, and on, until I realized that all astrology is so arbitrary and so uncertain, which doesn't mean there there are not some coincidences and probable truths...
Now I think that astrology is simply not reliable enough, in any way, except as an eccentric hobby. :)

But I liked very much what you wrote in your first post, and I agree with you because I noticed it in myself, too.
Quote
And these good traits, perhaps are made manifest by Allah in each sign, but to control and nullify the bad traits, we must submit to the Deen which encourages us to maintain our good traits
My other point, is that all signs have negative traits, but by submitting to Allah and the Deen, we can nullilfy these negative traits. There are commandments in the Deen which strengthen and encourage the erasure of negative traits for each sign.
For example, patient perseverance can drastically change an Aries and practicing it can make him/her unrecognizable to someone who would otherwise very easily spot an Aries.

etc etc

I noticed that practicing the deen of God one can better himself and correct less good character traits. That is probably the reason why God forbids in the Quran the fortunetelling and divination, together with astrology, so that we do not rely on fabrications but on system of God.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Student of Allah on July 20, 2012, 03:02:46 PM
Shalom Aleikhem,


Astrology ? mmmm.... I choose Astronomy instead.

Beg your pardon, but I refuse to go back to the caves.


Peace
------------ Student of Allah
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: savage_carrot on July 20, 2012, 04:53:28 PM
Don't think they could see the stars in the caves...

 :peace:
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Student of Allah on July 20, 2012, 05:51:58 PM
Don't think they could see the stars in the caves...

 :peace:

Shalom aleikhem,

 :rotfl:

Good point.

As a tafsir of what I said, those who progressed are the ones that moved forward. Astrology, Homeopathy, Crystals, dowsing, et all just makes me sad and mad at the same time. Pathetic !!

No offence intended for any fan of those things I just mentioned. Its just my remarks regarding those practices/beliefs.

Peace
------------ Student of Allah
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: savage_carrot on July 22, 2012, 06:22:52 AM
Sure, yeah. Personally, I'm just a sucker for personality tests.

peace
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Student of Allah on July 22, 2012, 08:55:25 PM
Sure, yeah. Personally, I'm just a sucker for personality tests.

peace

Shalom Aleikhem,

Well, I was interested in them too. However, as it stands now... I am the angel that rebelled and fell from grace the moment they asked for my credit card details after an hour long test !!

 :offtopic: ( I know..:P )

Peace
------------- Student of Allah
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: savage_carrot on July 23, 2012, 02:00:00 AM
I know right! That's so annoying! At least some of them gave me an advance page or so from the full report to placate me...that was decent of them lol

No worries, we are at least somewhat on topic.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Student of Allah on July 23, 2012, 02:09:45 PM
I know right! That's so annoying! At least some of them gave me an advance page or so from the full report to placate me...that was decent of them lol

No worries, we are at least somewhat on topic.

Shalom Aleikhem,

So, is there anyone in this forum who believe that arbitrary position of celestial bodies determine their love life, relationships, fate etc ?


Peace
------------ Student of Allah
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: mmkhan on July 23, 2012, 02:27:20 PM
So, is there anyone in this forum who believe that arbitrary position of celestial bodies determine their love life, relationships, fate etc ?

Shalom Aleikhem,

Yes I do, but don't believe in celestial bodies making all those but its our deeds that determine all those you said and more.  :)

mmKhan
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on July 23, 2012, 04:14:21 PM
I believe that it determines our overall personality, I don't really believe in the future prediction aspects
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Student of Allah on July 23, 2012, 04:42:07 PM
I believe that it determines our overall personality, I don't really believe in the future prediction aspects

Shalom Aleikhem,

Let me make sure I understand you properly. Are you saying that the arbitrary position of the celestial bodies at the time of our birth defines our "overall" personalities ?

Peace
---------- Student of Allah
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on July 25, 2012, 05:35:36 PM
Shalom Aleikhem,

Let me make sure I understand you properly. Are you saying that the arbitrary position of the celestial bodies at the time of our birth defines our "overall" personalities ?

Peace
---------- Student of Allah

Yes, I believe that the arbitrary position of the celestial bodies at the time of our birth defines our overall personalities.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Student of Allah on July 25, 2012, 05:47:38 PM
Yes, I believe that the arbitrary position of the celestial bodies at the time of our birth defines our overall personalities.

Shalom Aleikhem,

Thank you for clarifying your disposition on the subject. :)


Peace
----------- Student of Allah
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: GODsubmitter on July 26, 2012, 05:07:02 AM
Only the position of the celestial bodies is not arbitrary at all!

Don't you read the Qur'an @SOA?

It mentions sun and moon etc going its specified and orderly manner etc etc
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Student of Allah on July 26, 2012, 05:53:00 PM
Only the position of the celestial bodies is not arbitrary at all!

Don't you read the Qur'an @SOA?

It mentions sun and moon etc going its specified and orderly manner etc etc

Shalom Aleikhem,

No I have never come across the thing called Qur'an. How can I possibly read something like that. What is it about ?  ;D

Jokes aside, by arbitrary( in context), what I am implying is that "having no meaningful/demonstrable link with". Let me give you an example to clarify: Someone was taking a dump in the toilet in Australia when you were born. This arbitrary relationship between your birth and that person taking a dump can not possibly impact your overall personality. However, the fact remains that while taking a dump is not an arbitrary action by itself, you relating it to your personality allows me to call it that.

Is that clear enough ? :)

Peace be with you
---------------------- Student of Allah
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: GODsubmitter on July 27, 2012, 03:28:26 AM
Then, it is a problem of your English language, you should have said arbitrary connection between the planets and events, and not arbitrary position of the planets.

Anyway I understood you even the first time, so no need to bring such a vulgar example of a bad taste, or is it that you are thinking about dumping so often that it is the first thing that comes to your mind?

Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on July 27, 2012, 12:56:35 PM
Then, it is a problem of your English language, you should have said arbitrary connection between the planets and events, and not arbitrary position of the planets.

Anyway I understood you even the first time, so no need to bring such a vulgar example of a bad taste, or is it that you are thinking about dumping so often that it is the first thing that comes to your mind?

Yeah I think the vulgar example was his way of showing his contempt for my belief in this. I personally don't care though, I mean I understand why some people find astrology to be bogus, but if I can sometimes guess certain signs correctly, certain alignments correctly, then I have to call a spade a spade right?

Besides it doesn't really bother me or get me fuming when people disagree, this is like someone insisting that 2 + 2 = 5 I'm just like "Oh, ok." and go on with my day.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Student of Allah on July 27, 2012, 06:09:18 PM
Shalom Aleikhem,

Then, it is a problem of your English language, you should have said arbitrary connection between the planets and events, and not arbitrary position of the planets.

Anyway I understood you even the first time, so no need to bring such a vulgar example of a bad taste, or is it that you are thinking about dumping so often that it is the first thing that comes to your mind?

It can very well be the case that my wording led to a possible misinterpretation.

I did not use the example of "a person using the toilet" to project any sort of hatred. I took it to that extreme knowingly for the readers to realize that one may very well connect dots in ways that do not sound so seductive, yet following the same train of thought....everything is connected. :)

Since I explained why I used such example, answering your questions based on argumentum ad hominem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem) is redundant at this point. :)

May peace be always with you

-------------------------------------- Student of Allah
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Student of Allah on July 27, 2012, 06:20:27 PM
Shalom Aleikhem,

Yeah I think the vulgar example was his way of showing his contempt for my belief in this. I personally don't care though, I mean I understand why some people find astrology to be bogus, but if I can sometimes guess certain signs correctly, certain alignments correctly, then I have to call a spade a spade right?

Besides it doesn't really bother me or get me fuming when people disagree, this is like someone insisting that 2 + 2 = 5 I'm just like "Oh, ok." and go on with my day.

Since I am not dead yet, you could probably ask me why I resorted to the specific example ...instead of speculating on it and explaining it away as "contempt for your belief".

You are entitled to your beliefs. Don't get me wrong, I am not here to attack your belief. However, it is the duty of every soul seeking the truth to be sincere about it. I can not cover up the truth for pleasing anyone. If you think that there is truth to "Astrology" which I do not agree with, we both should have the right to present our case.

Having said that, I would like it very much if you can point out a document/place/source from where I can learn the principles of Astrology that you think is "True". Once we have that, we can be objective in our quest for the truth. We can verify,test, confirm the claims.

But thats if you agree to do that.


Peace
-------------- Student of Allah
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on July 27, 2012, 06:29:02 PM
No I understand, and I don't think anyone should ever censor themselves from saying what they really think on a subject but I just don't feel the need to address your inquiry because I believe it and that's enough for me, and am I interested only in discussing with those who perhaps have similar beliefs and want to discuss them as well.

I stumbled upon natal charts a while back and decided to make some for people I know, and the descriptions I find we're very accurate in describing the people I know, and that's why I choose to believe in natal charts accurately describing people's personalities.

This is the site I use: www.alabe.com/freechart

To address those who have made one for themselves and feel it doesn't describe them, we don't always have accurate perceptions of ourself. A rude person may feel they are very polite while a very polite person may worry they are not polite enough. Perhaps the descriptions are unsettling, and strong emotional aversions or pure stubbornness prevents one from accepting they are true.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: GODsubmitter on July 27, 2012, 06:32:32 PM
Having said that, I would like it very much if you can point out a document/place/source from where I can learn the principles of Astrology that you think is "True". Once we have that, we can be objective in our quest for the truth. We can verify,test, confirm the claims.

That is the problem. We do not have those documents and sources of true astrology any more.
The modern astrology does have some hints of truth and sometimes it gives amazingly correct information.

But the true astrology is lost, or maybe in possession of some wise knowledgeable people who do not go public, and are not vain enough to go public about it.
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Student of Allah on July 27, 2012, 08:48:09 PM
That is the problem. We do not have those documents and sources of true astrology any more.
The modern astrology does have some hints of truth and sometimes it gives amazingly correct information.

But the true astrology is lost, or maybe in possession of some wise knowledgeable people who do not go public, and are not vain enough to go public about it.

Shalom Aleikhem,

Well, then I am afraid we do not have enough information to put astrology on trial. :( Too bad. But it makes me wonder why then anyone would carry it's flag ? Probably a personal and subjective issue.

Ohh... by the way, the thinking minds...the people that studied the heavens back then, they did not disappear. They branched into Astrology and Astronomy as far as I can tell. Scientific minds moved on with new discoveries and observations. I appreciate their efforts, my utmost respect for the minds that worked towards developing and enhancing our knowledge.


Peace
----------- Student of Allah
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Student of Allah on July 27, 2012, 09:04:01 PM
Shalom Aleikhem,

No I understand, and I don't think anyone should ever censor themselves from saying what they really think on a subject but I just don't feel the need to address your inquiry because I believe it and that's enough for me, and am I interested only in discussing with those who perhaps have similar beliefs and want to discuss them as well.

I appreciate your tolerance of freedom of expression. If you don't feel like addressing it to people like me "because its enough for you", then as I said before, its a subjective belief. Its ok with me though. You are "only interested" to discuss when others share your "subjective belief", that I do not find to be the attitude of someone who can stand up to their claims. But I could be wrong, you might have the truth and just for the sake of it you refuse to discuss it with ones that do not already have a biased disposition towards your claim.

I stumbled upon natal charts a while back and decided to make some for people I know, and the descriptions I find we're very accurate in describing the people I know, and that's why I choose to believe in natal charts accurately describing people's personalities.

This is the site I use: www.alabe.com/freechart

Thanks for this info. :)

To address those who have made one for themselves and feel it doesn't describe them, we don't always have accurate perceptions of ourself. A rude person may feel they are very polite while a very polite person may worry they are not polite enough. Perhaps the descriptions are unsettling, and strong emotional aversions or pure stubbornness prevents one from accepting they are true.

The only problem with what you just said is that it can be applied to every deliberate or unintended superstitious dogma. Let me demonstrate it by changing the beginning of your quote and promoting my own such system (similar to Astrology). Lets assume that I came up to you claiming that my method can rival Astrology. I give you a reading:

My Reading: You are arrogant. You love your friends. You are not compassionate. You have a natural inclination towards causing injustice. However, your academic potentials are far above people like Stephen Hawking.

Your Response: That is not true and does not reflect my personality.

My response ( using your quote adapting only the beginning part to fit ):

"To address those who have used my method on themselves and feel it doesn't describe them, we don't always have accurate perceptions of ourself. A rude person may feel they are very polite while a very polite person may worry they are not polite enough. Perhaps the descriptions are unsettling, and strong emotional aversions or pure stubbornness prevents one from accepting they are true."


I hope you can see the problem.

Peace
---------- Student of Allah
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: mmkhan on July 28, 2012, 07:53:05 AM

This is the site I use: www.alabe.com/freechart


Salaam,

Thanks for the link. I tried and here it is everything about me...

Rising Sign   is in   03 Degrees   Sagittarius
You are known for being open, frank, outgoing and honest. At times, though, you are also blunt and quite indiscreet. Others have to learn not to take everything you say personally, because you usually do not mean any harm. You appreciate living your life in a straightforward and simple manner -- you dislike social niceties and consider them to be hindrances to real communication. You have lots and lots of energy and tend to become quite restless if you feel confined. You demand the freedom to do as you choose -- you must be self- directed or you feel trapped and anxious. With your abundant energy, you enjoy being outdoors, and you should be attracted to physical exercise or to those forms of sport which can help you burn off some of that excess energy. Very gregarious, you love to socialize -- your innate enthusiasm livens up any gathering.

Sun is in   10 Degrees   Virgo.
Extremely careful and cautious by nature, you value neatness and order above all else. You rigorously practice very high standards of living and conduct and you demand the same of everyone with whom you come into contact. At times, you are so supercritical that you are merely nit-picky. You are very good at practical skills and quite handy with tools of all kinds. You are also greatly concerned with hygiene, cleanliness and personal health problems. Very likely your health is much better than you think it is -- don't worry so much! Extremely methodical and analytical, you are a perfectionist -- this makes you the perfect person to carry out highly detailed, precise operations. But, at times, you pay so much attention to details that you lose sight of the larger issues.

Moon is in   05 Degrees   Gemini.
Restless in the extreme, you are easily bored because of your short attention span. Your emotions change rapidly and you love to talk about your feelings. Generally, you have good judgment -- your intellect controls your emotions and you do not overreact emotionally to things. A good jack-of-all-trades, you have many- sided interests and enjoy reasoning things through. With your mental agility and need for physical mobility, you are attracted to traveling and learning about other peoples and cultures. You have vivid powers of emotional self-expression - - you can be a nonstop talker. You love to share your ideas with anyone who will listen.

Mercury is in   07 Degrees   Libra.
You are known for not jumping to conclusions about things. You tend to weigh all possible choices very carefully before making a decision. When in the slightest amount of doubt, you will compromise rather than ruffle any feathers. You are a true raconteur of culture and taste -- your ideas and opinions are neat, elegant and refined. A born diplomat, you dislike discord so much that you will go out of your way to make others feel comfortable and at ease. You speak softly and pleasantly.

Venus is in   06 Degrees   Leo.
You have a striking, regal appearance and demeanor that attracts others to you. Your friendship is highly sought and you tend to take friendships quite seriously -- you remain loyal and true to those to whom you are attached. For you, love is mixed with pride and respect. Relationships are over when you lose respect for your partner. Be careful of a tendency to relate only to those who make you look good -- the powerful, important and influential. This can lead to arrogance and selfishness, and neither of these qualities becomes you.

Mars is in   19 Degrees   Sagittarius.
Your every action is motivated by high moral standards and ideals. You will work very hard to improve the lot of the world at large, but you demand action about it -- you do not like to just sit around and talk about doing it in an abstract manner. You like to be where the real action is. You resist mightily any attempts to limit your freedom and you will assist anyone who feels put down and restricted. You are extremely restless by nature -- physical exercise is very important to you if you would maintain your health.

Jupiter is in   08 Degrees   Libra.
You are generally good at balancing opinions and judging issues, but you tend to be indecisive when it comes to making up your own mind. You are objective and quite concerned with fair play and justice. But, when it comes to yourself, you are so aware that whatever you do might upset the apple cart that you often choose to compromise rather than do anything that might make you lonely or vulnerable. Relationships are very important to you -- you learn about yourself and grow through observing yourself interacting with others. Your aesthetic tastes are refined, but expansive and expensive.

Saturn is in   08 Degrees   Taurus.
Complete freedom of choice makes you ill at ease. You must have a firm, ordered, secure foundation in your life in order to feel comfortable. You do not adapt easily and tend to fear the new and untried. You constantly fear that you do not have enough (love, property, material things, etc.) and this makes you tend toward being selfish, withdrawn and stingy. If you try to surround yourself with supportive people in your environment, you will become more emotionally self-supporting.

Uranus is in   02 Degrees   Libra.
You, as well as your entire peer group, have a very free, unstable and unconventional approach to relationships and emotional commitments. You will be attracted to experiments in marriage and shared lifestyles. Personal freedom is more important to you than entangling emotional bonds. In the realm of art and aesthetics, you are attracted to the bizarre, shocking and unusual.

Neptune is in   26 Degrees   Scorpio.
You, and your entire generation, are extremely interested in anything deep and mysterious. You will explore and idealize the benefits that can accrue from the study of the occult, healing and psychology. You are willing to experiment with substances like drugs in order to push your understanding of your inner being to the extreme.

Pluto is in   24 Degrees   Virgo.
For your entire generation, this will be a time when profound changes in society's attitude toward work, duty and responsibility will be initiated. Radical changes in attitudes toward personal health and general nutrition will be promulgated and gain wide acceptance and practice.

N. Node is in   21 Degrees   Pisces.
You're attracted to others who need your assistance. You seem to go out of your way to form relationships with those who are weak, sick, injured, addicted or troubled in some way or other. At your best you can indeed provide the relief that others need. But at times you can be victimized by those who would prey on your good nature and take advantage of you. This can lead to all sorts of negative situations -- make sure that those you assist are truly worthy of your time, energy and commitment. A little enlightened self-protectiveness on your part can make your life work much, much smoother!


How do they know this much about me?  :hmm  Does this mean I am started believing in this? :&

Lets see...
mmKhan
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: AK85 on July 28, 2012, 06:29:32 PM
I don't know how to make this sound as least awkward as possible, but I am benevolently envious of sc and cd's friendship
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Student of Allah on July 28, 2012, 08:37:16 PM
I don't know how to make this sound as least awkward as possible, but I am benevolently envious of sc and cd's friendship

Shalom Aleikhem,

Would you mind explaining that to those of us that could not grasp the meaning of what you just said ?

Peace

------------ Student of Allah
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: GODsubmitter on July 29, 2012, 06:29:58 AM
what is sc and cd?
Title: Re: Astrology
Post by: Mystical on August 04, 2012, 06:33:41 PM
I used to be obsessed with astrology too. I brought this huge book about it in middle school and I instantly became popular. It had every single birthday of the year and a bunch of prophecies and relationship stuff.

I stopped reading all that stuff when I realized that the future belongs to God. Maybe some individuals were granted the power to see it (correct me if I'm wrong please), but it doesn't concern me. I can live without knowing what's going to happen tomorrow.

But if that's what you like, then I respect you for it.