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Title: Tafsir
Post by: Juc1 on July 26, 2009, 05:09:12 PM
As salaam aleykum

Can anyone please help me understand the meaning of 'tafsir'? I know it means something like interpretation / exegesis of the Qur'an but does it matter what the purpose or subject matter of the text is? For example in an enquiry of fiqh it is necessary to examine and interpet the relevant passages of the Qur'an - would such examination / interpretation be called 'tafsir' or does the term 'fiqh' assume and include interpretation / exegesis of the Qur'an?     

Thank you,

Ju
Title: Re: Tafsir
Post by: Meteora on September 11, 2009, 10:28:40 PM
Anyone who tries to further explain a book that calls itself fully explained is a retard for obvious reasons.

Came originally to ask just how much of the Quranic content has been tafsir'd by Bukhari & co. Anyone know? :muscle:
Title: Re: Tafsir
Post by: aynur on September 12, 2009, 12:09:17 AM
Anyone who tries to further explain a book that calls itself fully explained is a retard for obvious reasons.


 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Tafsir
Post by: Alen on September 12, 2009, 01:45:23 AM
Anyone who tries to further explain a book that calls itself fully explained is a retard for obvious reasons.
Came originally to ask just how much of the Quranic content has been tafsir'd by Bukhari & co. Anyone know? :muscle:

Peace,
Respectfully.

I agree. People are forgetting that messenger/prophet Muhamamd CONFIRMED previous Scriptures and brought nothing new to the society, he agreed with messengers/prophets befopre him - Moses and Jesus and more importantly, he followed messenger/prophet Ibraheem/Abraham.

People also forget that it was messenger/prophet Ibraheem the one that received the Quranic practices that we know as prayer, fasting and charity and not messenger/prophet Muhamamd, which is why non muslims often accuse us of things like Muhammad started Islam and he invented his own way of prayers and so on.

Tafsir is totally unreliable becaus eit can't be verified and those people that wrote it can't be checked properly, they're dead from our point of view.

The Quran is the only and The Best Hadeeth to be followed and we're not suppose to follow any other hadith besides The Quran. Plenty of proofs in The Quran, which, by the way can be verified if it is from God or not.

God bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Tafsir
Post by: Meteora on January 14, 2010, 08:46:37 PM
I just went to a tafsir site and couldn't help but laugh at the fact no tafsir is able to leave the word "hadith" in verse 45:6 untranslated (pronounced and written to be said in the Arabic tongue) so as to make it appear as "hadith/hadeeth" and not what they did translated it to and write it as, "discourse/speech/narration" etc. etc.

Of course any of the other verses which are almost exactly like 45:6, are tafsir'd in the same manner having to play and twist with the word "hadith/hadeeth" as much as possible so as not to get the sunni reader confused and asking the imam questions about the contradiction the Quran creates with man-established sunnism on the planet.
Title: Re: Tafsir
Post by: Omeiza on January 16, 2010, 08:17:27 AM
Tafsir is interpretation. Fiqh may include Tafsir of Qur'an. Whatever we understand from quran is a tafsir.
Title: Re: Tafsir
Post by: Meteora on January 29, 2010, 11:35:36 PM
Tafsir is interpretation. Fiqh may include Tafsir of Qur'an. Whatever we understand from quran is a tafsir.
Which is subject to all sorts of misunderstandings and political agenda (like Al-Khidr's interpretation of jinn, which he believes are white people or just non-blacks), yet, Bukhari's/(insert random Jewish, Christian, or Pagan corrupter of Islam)'s interpretation have to be clinged too like they were God's words to begin with. This is why Islam sucks and has been for pretty much 14 centuries.
Title: Re: Tafsir
Post by: SarahY on January 30, 2010, 01:55:40 AM
Walaikum asalam Ju

Tafsir is basically explanation

Fiqh is Islamic jurisprudence which basically involves scholarly work of compiling laws from quran and hadith.

Tafsir and fiqh are different. 

Meteora
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Anyone who tries to further explain a book that calls itself fully explained is a retard for obvious reasons.
Fully explained? Bro you calling us retards? We don?t understand everything there are things beyond our comprehension/knowledge so we help one another by putting an ear to another?s explanation.

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Which is subject to all sorts of misunderstandings and political agenda (like Al-Khidr's interpretation of jinn, which he believes are white people or just non-blacks), yet, Bukhari's/(insert random Jewish, Christian, or Pagan corrupter of Islam)'s interpretation have to be clinged too like they were God's words to begin with. This is why Islam sucks and has been for pretty much 14 centuries.

Everything is subject to misunderstandings and political agenda?s none of us are infallible. Islam doesn?t suck people suck.
Title: Re: Tafsir
Post by: MUNZIR ALI on January 30, 2010, 08:34:30 AM
Anyone who tries to further explain a book that calls itself fully explained is a retard for obvious reasons.

Came originally to ask just how much of the Quranic content has been tafsir'd by Bukhari & co. Anyone know? :muscle:
:rotfl: aww man., This is so true and funny. All your posts are fun to read bro. lol
Title: Re: Tafsir
Post by: Meteora on January 30, 2010, 09:15:43 PM
@ Sarah...

I never said everything is clarified to us. My point basically was, since God is saying the book is a detailing of everything, we may as well zip it since if anything, God meant the only important thing when it comes to the religion of truth (not man-made doctrines), is the book i.e. the Quran. Quran is what does the detailing (God himself) not man (hadith of Muhammad which is fabricated so it's not even his...or...unless you want to believe he, in the authentic hadith, gouged people's eyes out).

Since people suck and it is people who established Islam and not God, Islam must suck since it's their invention. Now if Islam was the Quran alone and vice versa then it wouldn't suck. However we all know this is not true (that Islam is Quran-alone).

@ Munzir...

Man I said that waaay back when. Why are people quoting such old stuff? >:(
Title: Re: Tafsir
Post by: SarahY on January 31, 2010, 06:41:17 AM
I knew exactly what you meant, i just disliked your attitude.

what islam is and what people think it is, are two different things. I would refrain from calling or saying 'islam must suck' it's rather peoples attitudes and understandings that suck.

Everyone here pretty much agrees with the logic of adding more to Quran is wrong. why else are people on this forum?

chill and relax, we're trying to uphold the truth without the indoctrinations :)

Peace.
Title: Re: Tafsir
Post by: MUNZIR ALI on February 01, 2010, 09:33:36 AM


@ Munzir...

Man I said that waaay back when. Why are people quoting such old stuff? >:(
I saw it today
Title: Re: Tafsir
Post by: Meteora on April 10, 2010, 01:58:19 AM
I knew exactly what you meant, i just disliked your attitude.

what islam is and what people think it is, are two different things. I would refrain from calling or saying 'islam must suck' it's rather peoples attitudes and understandings that suck.

Everyone here pretty much agrees with the logic of adding more to Quran is wrong. why else are people on this forum?

chill and relax, we're trying to uphold the truth without the indoctrinations :)

Peace.
What I meant was the religion known as "Islam" in the minds of most people, including non-muslims is terrible. Hardly anyone thinks of Islam as having only to do with the Quran. They believe in tradition instead and don't bother to study God's book with an unbiased mind.

I saw it today
Moo! >:(
Title: Re: Tafsir
Post by: Mazhar on April 10, 2010, 02:55:53 AM
As salaam aleykum

Can anyone please help me understand the meaning of 'tafsir'? I know it means something like interpretation / exegesis of the Qur'an but does it matter what the purpose or subject matter of the text is? For example in an enquiry of fiqh it is necessary to examine and interpet the relevant passages of the Qur'an - would such examination / interpretation be called 'tafsir' or does the term 'fiqh' assume and include interpretation / exegesis of the Qur'an?     

Thank you,

Ju

This word has been used in the Grand Qur'aan only once, and its meanings have been made evident there.
(http://www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/025.%20Al%20Furqan/25.32.gif)
And those/members of elite group who refused to accept/believe said/questioned to people, "Why is it so that the Qur'aan has not been sent to him [Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam] all at once/one complete statement".

The rationale/reason is explained:
(http://www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/025.%20Al%20Furqan/25.32a.gif)
The reason for this is that We may keep with that [gradual communication] your heart and mind strengthened-persistently in state of calm and tranquility.
(http://www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/025.%20Al%20Furqan/25.32b.gif)[Advice to Messenger to follow same pattern-73:04]
And We have/got it-Grand Qur'aan recited distinctly [making every syllable, vowel, pause prominent], in the manner of excellently arranged flow of thread structuring the most beautiful compact web. [25:32]
(http://www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/025.%20Al%20Furqan/25.33.gif)
And [gradual revelation for people helps keep your tranquility maintained] they will not come to you with a preposition/example/question except that We would have already brought to you, the Messenger [Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam] the factual information
(http://www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/025.%20Al%20Furqan/25.33a.gif)
and the best breaking news about that. [25:33]

AlFurqan (http://www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/025.%20Al%20Furqan/025.%20B%20%20Al%20Furqan.htm)

Its Root is Fa Seen Ra and the basic perception infolded is to unveil the secreted or infolded thing/matter to open it up for others. And when anything is unveiled for someone for the first time we call it "breaking news". And Qur'aan gives "News" of the past and the future. 






Title: Re: Tafsir
Post by: MUNZIR ALI on April 10, 2010, 07:58:15 AM
What I meant was the religion known as "Islam" in the minds of most people, including non-muslims is terrible. Hardly anyone thinks of Islam as having only to do with the Quran. They believe in tradition instead and don't bother to study God's book with an unbiased mind.
Moo! >:(
:group: you are back. Why so angry?  ;)
Title: Re: Tafsir
Post by: seattletruth on April 12, 2010, 05:02:11 PM
Anyone who tries to further explain a book that calls itself fully explained is a retard for obvious reasons.


You mean like Rashad Khalifa, with his tafseer that filled the bottom of almost every page in his translation, and were sometimes even included in the text?


You should know by now, that the Quran Alone movement only accepts the tafsir of Rashad... All others are wrong. But even though its shirk to uphold anything else other than SIMPLY THE QURAN, the extra-Quranic explanations and hadith fabricated by Rashad are perfectly acceptable.



Title: Re: Tafsir
Post by: Andya Primanda on April 12, 2010, 06:21:56 PM
You should know by now, that the Quran Alone movement only accepts the tafsir of Rashad... All others are wrong. But even though its shirk to uphold anything else other than SIMPLY THE QURAN, the extra-Quranic explanations and hadith fabricated by Rashad are perfectly acceptable.

Actually, that's not correct.  Some of us might accept the tafsir of Rashad, but not all.  I think there's more of us that prefers to study by ourselves and develop our own tafsir.
Title: Re: Tafsir
Post by: seattletruth on April 12, 2010, 06:33:39 PM
Actually, that's not correct.  Some of us might accept the tafsir of Rashad, but not all.  I think there's more of us that prefers to study by ourselves and develop our own tafsir.

I was being sarcastic.
Title: Re: Tafsir
Post by: zulu12 on April 13, 2010, 05:05:41 AM
Develop own tafsir without understanding the language in the first instance.

This is the problem is it not.

Peace

Title: Re: Tafsir
Post by: Meteora on April 14, 2010, 09:18:50 AM
You mean like Rashad Khalifa, with his tafseer that filled the bottom of almost every page in his translation, and were sometimes even included in the text?


You should know by now, that the Quran Alone movement only accepts the tafsir of Rashad... All others are wrong. But even though its shirk to uphold anything else other than SIMPLY THE QURAN, the extra-Quranic explanations and hadith fabricated by Rashad are perfectly acceptable.




As if I said I accept "the tafsir of Rashad" and I didn't even know he had a tafsir. I just know he used code 19 as an excuse for many of the things he claimed.

The best tafsir is your logic and common sense, I would say.
Title: Re: Tafsir
Post by: SarahY on June 16, 2011, 01:57:30 AM
...

Have any of you got access to Tafsir Tabari or older versions?