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Title: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Holiday on December 27, 2008, 04:35:35 AM
http://www.submission.org/miracle/pdf/vis3.pdf

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- 62 -
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PHYSICAL FACT NUMBER (16) (Cont'd)
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Second word of the opening statement, i. e., the word
"Allah = God الله“is mentioned in Quran 2,698
times, and this number is a multiple of 19
....................................

2,698 = 19 x 142

List of Chapters & Verses containing word “Allah”

NO.   CHAPTER   VERSE
1   ..............1      1
2   ..............1      2
...
2576   .......63      7
2577   .......63      7
2578   .......63      7 <------- Error; there are only 2 in verse 63:7
...


1:1 بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم <------- Includes “Allah” 112 excluded
‏1:2 الحمد لله رب العالمين <------- Includes “llah”

‏‏‏‏‏63:7 هم الذين يقولون لاتنفقوا على من عند رسول الله حتى ينفضوا ولله خزائن السماوات والارض ولكن المنافقين لايفقهون

Humu allatheena yaqooloona la tunfiqoo AAala man AAinda rasooli Allahi hatta yanfaddoo walillahi khaza-inu alssamawati waal-ardi walakinna almunafiqeena la yafqahoona

They are those who say: "Do not spend on whom (is) at God's messenger, until they scatter/separate And to God (are) the skies'/heavens and the earth's safes/storages (treasures), and but the hypocrites do not understand/learn.

Total = 2,697 without...

9:129 فان تولوا فقل حسبي الله لااله الا هو عليه توكلت وهو رب العرش العظيم

Peace









Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Holiday on December 28, 2008, 04:20:31 PM
Moderator: suggest this be made a sticky until clarified.

It's a major premise for "their" count and falsely removing verses from Quran.

thanks
Title: There are another 45 cases more +
Post by: Bahman on December 29, 2008, 09:43:36 AM
Moderator: suggest this be made a sticky until clarified.

It's a major premise for "their" count and falsely removing verses from Quran.

thanks

Peace
The sticky one can not be missed :) but wonder EVEN "IF" your claim be correct which is not possible for me and anther 7 billions to check regarding Arabic knowldge what would be your claim for flaw in another 45 cases  (http://www.submission.org/tampering.html) +?
I wonder if you can touch it as I have witnessed on this screen for last 10 years that all your claim as Shai or Sunni or covered up with God Alone (Not Quran Alone) is refering only to this case and do not touch those cases.

But remember that whole world can not understand this claim to keep your idol as your parent did. (http://y19.net/parents.html)
But they can see it easily just by number here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ace4i1osfU&feature=channel_page) and now here (http://creatorsignature.com/ladertoheaven.htm). :)
case closed 74:31 :)
peace



 
Title: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Holiday on December 29, 2008, 03:26:36 PM
Peace
The sticky one can not be missed :) but wonder EVEN "IF" your claim be correct which is not possible for me and anther 7 billions to check regarding Arabic knowldge what would be your claim for flaw in another 45 cases  (http://www.submission.org/tampering.html) +?
I wonder if you can touch it as I have witnessed on this screen for last 10 years that all your claim as Shai or Sunni or covered up with God Alone (Not Quran Alone) is refering only to this case and do not touch those cases.

But remember that whole world can not understand this claim to keep your idol as your parent did. (http://y19.net/parents.html)
But they can see it easily just by number here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ace4i1osfU&feature=channel_page) and now here (http://creatorsignature.com/ladertoheaven.htm). :)
case closed 74:31 :)
peace

Easy to verify there are only two in the verse not three...

‏‏‏‏‏63:7 هم الذين يقولون لاتنفقوا على من عند رسول الله حتى ينفضوا ولله خزائن السماوات والارض ولكن المنافقين لايفقهون


Check your video 5:56 minute; FACT 3 has an error... 285 should be 286.

Suggest links to the data sets in another thread; this pertains to the count of Allah.

Peace

Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Fuhrer on December 29, 2008, 11:04:19 PM
Well, this explains why Khalifa had the same count of "Allah" before he eliminated 9:129 in his previous works. I don't get how no one caught this before though...perhaps someone came up with a passable explanation?
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Bahman on December 30, 2008, 02:04:08 PM
Suggest links to the data sets in another thread; this pertains to the count of Allah.
Peace
Peace ;
Your claim is directly related for reasons removing 9:128-129  and all  those links are file clearly rejecting 128-129
I like to see you as truthful and inest person guide me and tohers to all cases and show all falws other way Cas closed and you can stick all your life on top of this forum  with your claim which is like a camel passing the needle hole. Juat be hones remove your prjeduices and hate toward  a man that put his life for us today to have FRee-Minds and etc claiming being monothiest with noo proof.
I would like to see a complete list of flaws your  search and examination for links posted for ou and your friends.
If you do not ahv such thing then you are wasting time as many are not intersted in this topic as is parotting samr thin over and over.
Let us read Quran Alone not fabrications creating another idol. :) 
Peace
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Holiday on December 31, 2008, 12:35:49 AM
Peace ;
Your claim is directly related for reasons removing 9:128-129  and all  those links are file clearly rejecting 128-129
I like to see you as truthful and inest person guide me and tohers to all cases and show all falws other way Cas closed and you can stick all your life on top of this forum  with your claim which is like a camel passing the needle hole. Juat be hones remove your prjeduices and hate toward  a man that put his life for us today to have FRee-Minds and etc claiming being monothiest with noo proof.
I would like to see a complete list of flaws your  search and examination for links posted for ou and your friends.
If you do not ahv such thing then you are wasting time as many are not intersted in this topic as is parotting samr thin over and over.
Let us read Quran Alone not fabrications creating another idol. :) 
Peace


Peace,

You should have spent 10 min from the past 10 years to verify this; see other threads too.
Fact is God has caused some of you to loose your minds in an ocean of digits...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ace4i1osfU&feature=channel_page
0, 1, 2, & 3...
n 123456...n, 123456...n n 6234..., n 123456...n 114 6234..., 123456...n 114 n 6234

Let n = number (1 to infinity) then infinite ch/verse combinations in infinity.
 
Check out this book based on 1, 9, & 19 (OK so I was bored a bit this evening...lol)

(http://s5.tinypic.com/anibm.jpg)

19 x 9 = 171

Fact 1: # verses followed by sequence (1 1...1 1) is multiple of 19!

Fact 2: sequence, #of verses with verse total added (1 1...1 1 171) is multiple of 19!

Fact 3:  # verses sequence and chapter (1 1 1...1 1 2...1 1 170 1 1 171) when 1 is added is 19!

Fact 4: sequence, chapter, #of verses (1 1 1 ...1 2 1 ...1 170 1 ... 1 171 1) when 9 added is 19!

Well, this explains why Khalifa had the same count of "Allah" before he eliminated 9:129 in his previous works. I don't get how no one caught this before though...perhaps someone came up with a passable explanation?

Everyone assumed count was correct blindly following and never bothered to check for errors.
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Holiday on December 31, 2008, 01:00:21 AM
For benefit of others here is a simpler code not requiring Google digits to verify which includes 9:128-129 with count of Allah 2,698 (19 x 2 x 71)...71 see above. lol

Uses 3 prime number keys not only 1 therefore much stronger code.

Go-ahead, pop into excel try and break it; move, delete verses, chapters, whatever...

89:3 والشفع والوتر
And/By the even and the odd

(http://i43.tinypic.com/2ev9jxe.jpg)
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2100qaf.jpg)

In case tinypic.com website disappears here are totals...

ch   # verses.....57 even...57 odd...ch + v...ch * v
1...........7................8.......................8.........7

9........129.............138....................138......1161

114.......6..............120....................120.......684
                            
6555...6236..........6236.......6555...12791...209029

19 is prime!

12791 is prime!

209029 is prime!

6236 6555 12791 = 19 x 328245026989
6236 6555 12791 = 209029 x 29836317

Pretty cool sign for anyone that wants to see it.

Have fun be safe and best wishes to everyone for a Happy New Year.

Peace

Holiday

Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: ayman on December 31, 2008, 12:16:44 PM
Peace Holiday,

For benefit of others here is a simpler code not requiring Google digits to verify which includes 9:128-129 with count of Allah 2,698 (19 x 2 x 71)...71 see above. lol
Uses 3 prime number keys not only 1 therefore much stronger code.
Go-ahead, pop into excel try and break it; move, delete verses, chapters, whatever...

This so-called code has already been debunked here:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597165.msg179361#msg179361

Everyone can see that verses were moved, deleted and added in every chapter and this stupid code allowed it. In fact, there is an INFINITE number of combinations that would allow verses to be moved, deleted and added in every chapter and this stupid code would allow it.

You remind me of the arguments between Sunnis and Shias where Sunnis bring a Hadith and Shias argue back with a Hadith and both are false. Similarly 19ers bring a code 19 and you bring a code 19 and both are nonsense. All that you prove is that those codes can only be used to justify whatever preconception one has. Only people who like to delude themselves are attracted to them. You shouldn't waste all the good work you do in exposing Code 19 by hypocritically promoting your own Code 19.

Peace,

Ayman
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Bahman on December 31, 2008, 01:17:21 PM
Everyone can see that verses were moved, deleted and added in every chapter and this stupid code allowed it. In fact, there is an INFINITE number of combinations that would allow verses to be moved, deleted and added in every chapter and this stupid code would allow it.
Peace Ayman  (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597242.msg180640#msg180640)  :)74:31
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Holiday on December 31, 2008, 01:44:21 PM

This so-called code has already been debunked here:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597165.msg179361#msg179361

Everyone can see that verses were moved, deleted and added in every chapter and this stupid code allowed it. In fact, there is an INFINITE number of combinations that would allow verses to be moved, deleted and added in every chapter and this stupid code would allow it.

Peace Ayman,

Not correct; in prior post the column Ch * V is missing (209029 prime) prevents this from occurring...

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Just take out 100 verses from Chapter 9 and add them to any other even chapter such as Chapter 11. So now Chapter 9 has 29 verses while Chapter 11 has 223 new verses and your Checksum is EXACTLY the same.

Here, I will use your table below:

Surah   #Verses       S+V    57 Even   57 Odd   

1............7............8............8...........
2..........286..........288..........288...........
3..........200..........203.....................203
4..........176..........180..........180...........
5..........120..........125.....................125
6..........165..........171.....................171
7..........206..........213.....................213
8...........75...........83......................83
9..........29..........38..........38...........
10.........109..........119.....................119
11.........223..........234..........234...........


9 x 29 = 261 .........................................ch * v
11 x 223 = 2453.....................................ch * v
Totals: ................................................209229 not prime!


Here are the three keys again for reference:

ch   # verses.....57 even...57 odd...ch + v...ch * v
1...........7................8.......................8.........7

9........129.............138...................138......1161
11......123.............134...................134......1353

114.......6..............120...................120.......684
                             
6555...6236..........6236.......6555...12791...209029

19 prime!
12791 prime!
209029 prime!

6555 12791 6236 = 209029 x 31359897
6236 6555 12791 = 19 x 328245026989
6236 6555 12791 = 209029 x 29836317

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You shouldn't waste all the good work you do in exposing Code 19 by hypocritically promoting your own Code 19.

Not my code (includes all verses) rather an observation with 19 being the alluring one as a test, an ayat/sign one of many in Quran.


Peace

Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Ahmad Bilal on January 01, 2009, 02:57:35 AM
Peace Ayman,

This so-called code has already been debunked here:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597165.msg179361#msg179361

Ummm...  :hmm It doesn't look to me like the code is getting "debunked" in that thread at all. If anything, you are consistently trying to discredit the value of the code, and Edip showed you the ignorance and arrogance of your statements. You're the same person promoting the idea of the numerical patterns in the Qur'an occurring by "coincidence", an argument that is easily refuted by studying the scriptures... The Qur'an (i.e. "great reading") is a great book, and I encourage everyone to read it. However, the code 19 concept is viewed as a literal sign of God, and there's nothing wrong with being aware of God's signs while you study the message... Since the Qur'an claims to be perfected and structured, containing no inconsistencies, then it should also be perfectly and consistently symmetrical; and if this is the case, then why do you reject the idea of it being mathematically configured?

Peace,

Ahmad
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Bahman on January 01, 2009, 08:10:18 AM
You should have spent 10 min from the past 10 years to verify this; see other threads too.
Fact is God has caused some of you to loose your minds in an ocean of digits...
Peace
 your brain is in holiday too when a little search can avoid  wasting our time  :)
Salam Everybody,

I would like to share a very interesting phenomen, which no body is giving attention to. Its the structure of the verses of the Quran and how it is balanced using the Even and the Odd

Definitions

  • 1: even and odd
    even number: a number, which is divisible by 2
    odd number: a number, which is not divisible by 2
  • 2: homogenous and heterogenous
    We define a Sura to be homogeneous, if the number of the sura is even and the number of verses in it is also even, or if the number of the sura is odd and the number of verses in it is also odd.
    Otherwise the sura is heterogenous
  • 3: Suras of the Quran
    There are 114 Suras in the Quran. The sum of numbers from 1-114 = 6555
  • 4: numbered verses in the Quran
    There are 6234 numbered verses in the Quran
The phenomenons
  • There are 60 Suras in the Quran, which have even number of verses.

These are divided into
  • 30 even sura numbers
  • 30 odd sura numbers

  • There are 54 Suras in the Quran, which have odd number of verses.

These are divided into
  • 27 even sura numbers
  • 27 odd sura numbers

  • There are 57 homogenous Suras and 57 heterogenous Suras in the Quran
  • The sum of all Sura numbers and the numbers of numbered verses in these suras in the homogenous section is: 6234 (compare with definition #4)
  • The sum of all Sura numbers and the numbers of numbered verses in these suras in the heterogenous section is: 6555 (compare with definition #3)
  • The number of even Suras in the homogenous section = 30 = The number of odd Suras in the heterogenous section
  • The number of odd Suras in the homogenous section = 27 = The number of even Suras in the heterogenous section
  • The sum of Sura numbers in the homogenous section = 3303 = The sum of the numbered verses of the heterogenous section
  • If we examine the two halves of the Quran (Suras 1-57 and Suras 58-114) we find:
  • The number of homogenous Suras in the first half = 29 = The number of heterogenous Suras in the second half
  • The number of homogenous Suras in the second half = 28 = The number of heterogenous Suras in the first half
  • The sum of the numbered verses in the first 19th chapter is 2346 and the sum of numbered verses of the Quran is 6234, and the 6234 is the 19th permutation of 2346

And today I've observed something amazing:
If we examine the numbered verses of the Quran:
7 286 200 176 120 165 206 75 127 109 123 111 43 52 99 128 111 110 98 135 112 78 118 64 77 227 93 88 69 60 34 30 73 54   45 83 182 88 75 85 54 53 89 59 37 35 38 29 18 45 60 49 62 55 78 96 29 22 24 13 14 11 11 18 12 12 30 52 52 44 28 28 20 56 40 31 50 40 46 42 29 19 36 25 22 17 19 26 30 20 15 21 11 8 8 19 5 8   8 11 11 8 3 9 5 4 7 3 6 3 5 4 5 6

And for each number we see if the number following it is higher or lower and write H for higher and L for lower we will get the following string:
HLLLHHLHLHLLHHHLLLHLLHLHHLLLLLLHLLHHLLHLLHLLLHLLHHLHLHHLLHLHL-HL-HH-LL-LHLLHLHLLLHLLLHHHLLHLL-HLH-H-LLHLLHLHLHLHH

The - means: the number of verses wasn't increased nor decreased

We have in this string 61 L's and 45 H's (difference 16)

But if we see how many times it was switched from high to low (represented as HL or H-L) we'll find: 32 switches

and if we see how many times it was switched from low to high (represented as LH or L-H) we'll find also: 32 switches.
One can not escape the relation between 32 and 16

Now to imagine the complexity of this structure, here is a task for people, who are interested in mathematics and/or programming, what we can just imagine solving it using arrays of integers.

?   Find a prime number P
?   Find N numbers, where each number has an index from 1-N and N is a multiple of P
?   An index is homogeneous if the index is even and the number assigned to it is even, or if the index is odd and the number assigned to it is odd, otherwise its heterogeneous: the number of homogeneous indices must be equal to heterogenic indices
?   The even numbers among these N numbers should have an equal number of odd indices and even indices
?   The odd numbers among these N numbers should have an equal number of odd indices and even indices
?   The sum of indices from 1-N should be equal to the sum of all indices and numbers in the homogeneous or heterogeneous section
?   The sum of numbers from 1-N should be equal to the sum of all indices and numbers in the homogeneous or heterogeneous section
?   Even indices in the homogeneous section must be equal to odd indices in the heterogeneous section
?   Odd indices in the homogeneous section must be equal to even indices in the heterogeneous section
?   The sum of indices in the homogeneous section must be equal to the sum of numbers in the heterogeneous section
?   The number of homogeneous indices in the first half of indices must be equal to the number of heterogeneous indices in the  second half of indices
?   The number of homogeneous indices in the second half of indices must be equal to the number of heterogeneous indices in the  first half of indices
?   The sum of the N numbers should be the P-th permutation of the sum of the number assigned to the first P indices
?   For each number from the N numbers write the number
followed by the numbers from 1 to this number. All numbers placed next to each other must be divisible by P
?   For each number from the N numbers write the sum of numbers from 1 to this number followed by the numbers from 1 to this number. All numbers placed next to each other must be divisible by P

The 114 numbers given  on this thread fulfill the requirements of this task for P=19

Best regards,
Mohamed

P.S. almost all information are taken from http://www.mucizeler.com/19lar/ciftveteksayi.htm (turkish language, however I don't speak turkish :P)

Can you understand this or you need help  :)
Peace.
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: ayman on January 01, 2009, 01:49:47 PM
Peace Holiday,

Not correct; in prior post the column Ch * V is missing (209029 prime) prevents this from occurring...
9 x 29 = 261 .........................................ch * v
11 x 223 = 2453.....................................ch * v
Totals: ................................................209229 not prime!

So you added an extra column of (chapter * # of verses). Still even with this extra column, this stupid Code 19 allows verses to be moved, deleted and added in every chapter. Here is an example that I quickly did in one minute with four chapters (including Chapter 9 and the 1 before it and the 2 after it):

ch   # verses.....57 even...57 odd...ch + v...ch * v
...
8........175.......................183........183.......1400
9.........29..............38....................38.........261
10.......9..........................19..........19..........90
11......223.............234...................234......2453
...
                             
6555...6236..........6236.......6555...12791...209029

19 prime!
12791 prime!
209029 prime!

6555 12791 6236 = 209029 x 31359897
6236 6555 12791 = 19 x 328245026989
6236 6555 12791 = 209029 x 29836317

I just picked Chapters 8, 9, 10, and 11 to  move, delete and add verses but I could have picked any combination of chapters or all chapters. As I said, there is a large number of variations by which you can move, delete and add verses and still the stupid code 19 would allow it.

Not my code (includes all verses) rather an observation with 19 being the alluring one as a test, an ayat/sign one of many in Quran.

If it is not your code, then please tell the person who came up with this so-called "code" and the idea that it doesn't allow moving, adding and deleting verses that he or she needs schooling in basic algebra. If he disagrees then he or she is welcome to come here on this thread and debate it with me.

There is nothing in the great reading about 19 being an "ayat". As per 74:31, it is only a "fitna". Those who truly have faith don't need any kind of stupid code.

It doesn't look to me like the code is getting "debunked" in that thread at all.

Now it is debunked^2. :)

Peace,

Ayman
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Fuhrer on January 01, 2009, 02:03:59 PM
Come on guys, let's stick to the topic. This is about the number of "Allah" in the Qur'an - not about the existance of 19 code. This is an important topic. It doesn't matter what you think about the Qur'an, or how you intepret it. It's about "irrefutable facts". Let's get the number of occurences right and make our own assumptions based on that in a different thread, shall we?

Thanks.
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: ayman on January 01, 2009, 02:19:54 PM
Peace Fuhrer,

Come on guys, let's stick to the topic. This is about the number of "Allah" in the Qur'an - not about the existance of 19 code. This is an important topic. It doesn't matter what you think about the Qur'an, or how you intepret it. It's about "irrefutable facts". Let's get the number of occurences right and make our own assumptions based on that in a different thread, shall we?

What else is there to argue? 19ers count THREE "allah" in 63:7 when there is clearly only TWO and even Bahman can't argue against that. Their counts of "bism", "rahman", and "rahim" are equally tampered with to get the desired result of a 19 divisible. The only Code 19 pattern anyone with a grain of common sense should see is a pattern of deception. So there is really nothing more to argue in defense of Code 19 except for those who are so obssessed and attracted to the "fitna"/temptation of 19 that they are beyond help.

Peace,

Ayman
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Bahman on January 01, 2009, 03:07:47 PM
Peace Fuhrer,

What else is there to argue? 19ers count THREE "allah" in 63:7 when there is clearly only TWO and even Bahman can't argue against that. Their counts of "bism", "rahman", and "rahim" are equally tampered with to get the desired result of a 19 divisible. The only Code 19 pattern anyone with a grain of common sense should see is a pattern of deception. So there is really nothing more to argue in defense of Code 19 except for those who are so obssessed and attracted to the "fitna"/temptation of 19 that they are beyond help.

Peace,

Ayman
Peace Ayman  (http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597242.msg180640#msg180640)  :)74:31
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Ahmad Bilal on January 02, 2009, 06:45:41 PM
Peace Ayman,

What else is there to argue? 19ers count THREE "allah" in 63:7 when there is clearly only TWO and even Bahman can't argue against that.

 :rotfl: C'mon, brother. I know that you know better than this. This was a mistake made in Rashad's count of the word "allah", but it doesn't take away the count of the word. The original count was the mistaken one, not the revised one. Including the count of 9:129, there are 2699 counts of the word "allah", and therefore, when he removed that allegedly false verse, there were 2698 counts remaining... But I'm sure you probably already knew this, and if you don't believe me, count them yourself...  ::) Everyone who's read Rashad Khalifa's translation of the qur'an knows that he specifically numbers each count of the word "allah" (or "GOD"), and he also does this on his computer program, so each individual can count the words themselves. This is already well-known by everyone who's even looked at his translation of the scriptures. That's why I didn't even bother wasting my time with this topic. The truth is too easy to recognize, and if Holiday was actually searching for the truth, he would've known this right away...

Their counts of "bism", "rahman", and "rahim" are equally tampered with to get the desired result of a 19 divisible. The only Code 19 pattern anyone with a grain of common sense should see is a pattern of deception.

Again, this is your opinion, and it's unfounded. You claim that the qur'an has no mathematical consistency and structure at all; you even reject the nusemantics found within the texts, even though these are clearly established and verified...  :-\ So, you really have no authority to speak against the code 19 concept, since you reject all forms of mathematical verifiability in the message. None of those counts have been tampered with to get a 19-divisible count; you just can't seem to spot the obvious. God has blinded you from seeing the clear truth...

So there is really nothing more to argue in defense of Code 19 except for those who are so obssessed and attracted to the "fitna"/temptation of 19 that they are beyond help.

This is your main scapegoat, and it is still unjustified. The qur'an doesn't say that the count of 19 is "ONLY" a "fitna"/trial; it only mentions that this is ONE OF IT'S USES. Others include:
(1) to give certainty to the people of the "kitaab"/book or scripture,
(2) to increase the faith of those who believe in the message,
(3) to remove all doubt from the people of the scripture, as well as the believers, and
(4) to leave the disbelievers and those with a "sickness in their hearts" to wonder what this example is for.
After this explanation, it mentions that God guides and sends astray whom He wills. This statement is very significant because it succeeds the statement, speaking about those questioning this example. Therefore, those who aren't knowledgeable of the meaning of this example are mentioned as those with a sickness in their hearts, and these ones are placed alongside the disbelievers/"kaafireen"... In other words, those who reject this sign are called disbelievers, and this is because they reject God's signs. Please stop misleading people, telling them that the code 19 concept is "ONLY" a fitna; this is not what the scripture says, and you and I both know that the word "only" is not used in that passage at all...

Peace,

Ahmad
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Hadi on January 02, 2009, 07:07:51 PM
Peace Ahmed,

Please stop misleading people, telling them that the code 19 concept is "ONLY" a fitna; this is not what the scripture says, and you and I both know that the word "only" is not used in that passage at all...

Is that right??!!

وما جعلنا أصحب النار إلا ملئكة وما جعلنا عدتهم إلا فتنة للذين كفروا
 
If the word "only" is not present in the passage, then please tell us what the word "إلا" means.
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Ahmad Bilal on January 02, 2009, 07:18:36 PM
Peace Hadi,

Is that right??!!

وما جعلنا أصحب النار إلا ملئكة وما جعلنا عدتهم إلا فتنة للذين كفروا
 
If the word "only" is not present in the passage, then please tell us what the word "إلا" means.

Yes, that is right... The word "إلا" means "to", not "only"...  ::)

Peace,

Ahmad
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Holiday on January 02, 2009, 07:39:21 PM
:rotfl: C'mon, brother. I know that you know better than this. This was a mistake made in Rashad's count of the word "allah", but it doesn't take away the count of the word. The original count was the mistaken one, not the revised one. Including the count of 9:129, there are 2699 counts of the word "allah", and therefore, when he removed that allegedly false verse, there were 2698 counts remaining... But I'm sure you probably already knew this, and if you don't believe me, count them yourself...  ::) Everyone who's read Rashad Khalifa's translation of the qur'an knows that he specifically numbers each count of the word "allah" (or "GOD"), and he also does this on his computer program, so each individual can count the words themselves. This is already well-known by everyone who's even looked at his translation of the scriptures. That's why I didn't even bother wasting my time with this topic. The truth is too easy to recognize, and if Holiday was actually searching for the truth, he would've known this right away...


Do not lie tell the truth!

Here is proof with 2698 (his revised count with 2 verses removed).

http://www.submission.org/miracle/pdf/vis3.pdf

Quote
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxMxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
PHYSICAL FACT NUMBER (16) (Cont'd)
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Second word of the opening statement, i. e., the word
"Allah = God الله“is mentioned in Quran 2,698
times, and this number is a multiple of 19
....................................

2,698 = 19 x 142

List of Chapters & Verses containing word “Allah”

NO.   CHAPTER   VERSE

2576   .......63      7
2577   .......63      7
2578   .......63      7 <------- Error; there are only 2 in verse 63:7

Quote
- 63 -
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
PHYSICAL FACT NUMBER (16) (Cont'd)
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxXXXXXXX
List of Chapters & Verses containing the word "Allah"

2697   
2698 <---- End of count

THEREFORE, THE TOTRL FREQUENCY OF OCCURRENCE OF THE WORD
'ALLAH' THROUGHOUT THE QURAN 2698 = << 19 >> X 142.



Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: ayman on January 02, 2009, 10:46:06 PM
Peace Ahmad,

Yes, that is right... The word "إلا" means "to", not "only"...  ::)

You are confusing the Arabic proposition "الى" (which means "to") with the Arabic exceptional proposition "إلا" (which means "except"/"only"). This is basic knowledge. Instead of wasting your time defending Code 19 which is as indefensible as Hadiths, you should spend more time trying to understand what 74:31 is really saying, which is clearly different from what you desire it to say.

Peace,

Ayman
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Ahmad Bilal on January 03, 2009, 12:59:17 AM
Peace Ayman,

You are confusing the Arabic proposition "الى" (which means "to") with the Arabic exceptional proposition "إلا" (which means "except"/"only"). This is basic knowledge.

Basic knowledge? In what school?  ::) Both of those are Arabic prepositions, and both of them mean "to" (one alludes more to the concept of "in order to"). Neither of them mean "only".

The word "only" looks like this: فقط

I don't know what school you studied to arrive at your conclusion, but it is WRONG! As I said, the word "only" is not used in this passage at all...

Instead of wasting your time defending Code 19 which is as indefensible as Hadiths, you should spend more time trying to understand what 74:31 is really saying, which is clearly different from what you desire it to say.

I think you should do the same. Obviously, you're mistaken about what this passage is stating, especially if you believe the code 19 concept to be "ONLY" a trial for the disbelievers...

Peace,

Ahmad
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran = 2706!
Post by: Holiday on January 03, 2009, 04:09:10 AM
Last post to put this to rest...

Quran Word Search
http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran_search.htm

Parameter: لله
Search Type: Exact String
The number of text-occurrences: 2820

2820 - 112 chapter titles not counted = 2708

2708 – 2698 = 10 not counted; these were all EXCLUDED from the count...

http://www.submission.org/miracle/pdf/vis3.pdf


3:26 قل اللهم مالك الملك تؤتي الملك من تشاء وتنزع الملك ممن تشاء وتعز من تشاء وتذل من تشاء بيدك الخير انك على كل شئ قدير
‏‏
5:114 قال عيسى ابن مريم اللهم ربنا انزل علينا مائدة من السماء تكون لنا عيدا لاولنا واخرنا واية منك وارزقنا وانت خير الرازقين

8:32 واذ قالوا اللهم ان كان هذا هو الحق من عندك فامطر علينا حجارة من السماء اوائتنا بعذاب اليم
Say: “O God...

Only 1 was counted...
9:15 ويذهب غيظ قلوبهم ويتوب الله على من يشاء والله عليم حكيم
And God was not to misguide (a) nation after when He guided them, until He clarifies/explains to them what they fear and obey, that God was/is with every thing knowledgeable.

9:129 فان تولوا فقل حسبي الله لااله الا هو عليه توكلت وهو رب العرش العظيم

Only 1 was counted...
10:10 دعواهم فيها سبحانك اللهم وتحيتهم فيها سلام واخر دعواهم ان الحمد لله رب العالمين
Their call/prayer in it (is): "Oh/you God Your praise/glory." And their greeting in it (is): "Security/peace." and their last call/prayer (is): "That the praise/gratitude (is) to God the creations all together's/(universes') Lord.

39:46 قل اللهم فاطر السماوات والارض عالم الغيب والشهادة انت تحكم بين عبادك في ماكانوا فيه يختلفون
Say: “O God...

Only 1 was counted...
40:74 من دون الله قالوا ضلوا عنا بل لم نكن ندعوا من قبل شيئا كذلك يضل الله الكافرين
From other than God? They said: "They were misguided from us, but we were not calling from before a thing." As/like that God misguides the disbelievers.

‏‏These last two are OK...
77:31 لاظليل ولايغني من اللهب
La thaleelin wala yughnee mina allahabi

92:12 ان علينا للهدى
That truly on Us the guidance.

Total (not including 112 chapter titles) Allah in Quran = 2706!

Peace

Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Samia on January 03, 2009, 04:27:52 AM
Peace Ayman,

Basic knowledge? In what school?  ::) Both of those are Arabic prepositions, and both of them mean "to" (one alludes more to the concept of "in order to"). Neither of them mean "only".

The word "only" looks like this: فقط


Can you please give an Arabic sentence where إلا /illa means to?
Aso, can you please translate/explain the verse in question with the preposition إلا meaning "to"?
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Hadi on January 03, 2009, 06:08:27 AM
Can you please give an Arabic sentence where إلا /illa means to?
Aso, can you please translate/explain the verse in question with the preposition إلا meaning "to"?

Very good questions Samia, I was going to ask Ahmed the same. I can't wait for his reply.

Peace,

Hadi
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Bahman on January 03, 2009, 01:09:25 PM
Can you please give an Arabic sentence where إلا /illa means to?
Aso, can you please translate/explain the verse in question with the preposition إلا meaning "to"?
Peace samia
In Farsi we use Ella for "unless" and "Faqat" for "only" and you know arbic wordsi farsi are extracted from GR.
Peace.
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Ahmad Bilal on January 03, 2009, 05:27:55 PM
Can you please give an Arabic sentence where إلا /illa means to?
Aso, can you please translate/explain the verse in question with the preposition إلا meaning "to"?

This isn't the point. The individual word means "to". It refers to "but" (or "except") depending on the context of the sentence...

Very good questions Samia, I was going to ask Ahmed the same. I can't wait for his reply.

Show me where it means "only"... And I can't wait for your reply...  ::)
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Holiday on January 03, 2009, 07:23:25 PM
This isn't the point. The individual word means "to". It refers to "but" (or "except") depending on the context of the sentence...

74:31 And We did not make the fire's owners (guards) except/but angels, and We did not make their number/count except/but (as) a test to those who disbelieved...

Does not change the meaning or that the count of Allah in Quran = 2706
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Ahmad Bilal on January 03, 2009, 08:18:35 PM
74:31 And We did not make the fire's owners (guards) except/but angels, and We did not make their number/count except/but (as) a test to those who disbelieved...

Does not change the meaning or that the count of Allah in Quran = 2706

Wait a minute... 2706?! When did you come up with this number? Where did you get this from?
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Hadi on January 03, 2009, 08:35:58 PM
Peace Ahmed,
Show me where it means "only"... And I can't wait for your reply...  ::)

I did not say it means "only" but you're the one who claimed that it means "to" so the burden of proof is on you. And concerning your last sentence, reply or don't reply...it really won't make a difference to me.
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran = 2706!
Post by: Ahmad Bilal on January 03, 2009, 08:53:40 PM
Quran Word Search
http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran_search.htm

Parameter: لله
Search Type: Exact String
The number of text-occurrences: 2820

2820 - 112 chapter titles not counted = 2708

2708 – 2698 = 10 not counted; these were all EXCLUDED from the count...

Okay, I didn't even notice this post before... This is still wrong, Holiday. You can't count the occurrances of the word "allahuma" and "allahukum" because they don't refer to Allah as a named being. It literally means "our god" and "your god", making the word "(a)llah" a common noun, not a proper noun like all the other occurrances.

The only occurances where your posts are correct are:
(1) There are 2 counts of "Allah" in 9:15, and only 1 was counted
(2) There are 2 counts of "Allah" in 40:74, and only 1 was counted
(3) 77:31 and 92:12 are not counted, and neither of them contain the word "Allah"

So, this would give a count of the word "Allah" occurring 2700 times, based on this research, without removing 9:129. However, you have to remove one count from 63:7 (since he added an extra one there), which would drop the count to 2699, which is the original count we started with. Therefore, if you remove 9:129, you'd STILL have 2698 counts of the word "Allah", which is STILL a multiple of 19...  ::)

Ahmad - 1, Holiday - 0...  :laugh:
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran = 2701!
Post by: Holiday on January 03, 2009, 09:52:33 PM
Okay, I didn't even notice this post before... This is still wrong, Holiday. You can't count the occurrances of the word "allahuma" and "allahukum" because they don't refer to Allah as a named being. It literally means "our god" and "your god", making the word "(a)llah" a common noun, not a proper noun like all the other occurrances.

The only occurances where your posts are correct are:
(1) There are 2 counts of "Allah" in 9:15, and only 1 was counted
(2) There are 2 counts of "Allah" in 40:74, and only 1 was counted
(3) 77:31 and 92:12 are not counted, and neither of them contain the word "Allah"

So, this would give a count of the word "Allah" occurring 2700 times, based on this research, without removing 9:129. However, you have to remove one count from 63:7 (since he added an extra one there), which would drop the count to 2699, which is the original count we started with. Therefore, if you remove 9:129, you'd STILL have 2698 counts of the word "Allah", which is STILL a multiple of 19...  ::)

Ahmad - 1, Holiday - 0...  :laugh:

No, you can’t count or add same as your idol who made mistakes which offset... lol

http://www.submission.org/miracle/pdf/vis3.pdf

Quote
NO.   CHAPTER   VERSE
2574   .......63      5
2575   .......63      6 <------- Error; there are 2 in verse 63:6 not 1
2576   .......63      7
2577   .......63      7
2578   .......63      7 <------- Error; there are 2 in verse 63:7 not 3

‏ ‏63:6 سواء عليهم استغفرت لهم ام لم تستغفر لهم لن يغفر الله لهم ان الله لايهدي القوم الفاسقين

Quran Word Search
http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran_search.htm

Parameter: لله
Search Type: Exact String
The number of text-occurrences: 2820

2820 - 112 chapter titles not counted = 2708

77:31 & 92:12 (not applicable) = - 2

اللهم (say: "O God..." not included if you say so)
3:26, 5:114, 8:32, 10:10 (one occurance), 39:46  = - 5

9:129 = - 1

2708 – 2 – 5 - 1 = 2700

With 9:129 the # of Allah in Quran = 2701


You need to remove 2 from below (as did your idol) to get your 19 multiple...lol

9:15 ويذهب غيظ قلوبهم ويتوب الله على من يشاء والله عليم حكيم
And He takes away their heart's/mind's anger, and God forgives on whom He wills, and God (is) knowledgeable, wise/judicious.

‏40:74 من دون الله قالوا ضلوا عنا بل لم نكن ندعوا من قبل شيئا كذلك يضل الله الكافرين
From other than God? They said: "They were misguided from us, but we were not calling from before a thing." As/like that God misguides the disbelievers.












Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Ahmad Bilal on January 03, 2009, 11:17:07 PM
Peace Holiday,

This is WRONG, and you obviously haven't been paying attention. If you look in the link you provided containing the count of the word "Allah", you'll notice that he included the count of 9:129 to get 2698, which was where he miscounted. His errors were in 9:15 and 40:74, in which he only counted one instead of two, making the real count 2700. If he took one count of "Allah" from 63:6 and put it in 63:7, then the count still comes out the same; he just made a few mistakes in where he put the numbers. In other words:

Quote
NO.   CHAPTER   VERSE
2574   .......63      5
2575   .......63      6
2576   .......63      7 <------ This should be a "6", not a "7"!
2577   .......63      7
2578   .......63      7

So, once you drop the count of 6:3, which is used as a common noun instead of a proper noun (i.e. "He is the god in the heavens..."), the total count of "Allah" (including 9:129) still comes out to 2699! Therefore, once he dismissed the count of "Allah" in 9:129, the count was reduced to 2698, which is a multiple of 19...

DO YOUR HOMEWORK, BUDDY...  ::) Ahmad - 2, Holiday - 0...

Like I said, if you really want to do a step-by-step count of the word "Allah" ("GOD" in Rashad's translation), just read through his translation of the Qur'an. On each page, he makes a note of each count of the word "Allah", and the total is 2698 (without 9:129 of course... ;)). I think you should look into it. You can also download his "WinQT2" program, which also counts each occurrance of the word "Allah"...

http://www.rashadkhalifa.org/quran/WinQT2.html

By the way, contrary to what you may think, I appreciate your criticism. It allows me to actually do a more thorough examination of Rashad's works in light of the Qur'an. So, thanks...

Peace,

Ahmad
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Holiday on January 03, 2009, 11:35:36 PM
Peace Ahmad,


DO YOUR HOMEWORK, BUDDY...  ::)

NO, YOU DO YOUR HOMEWORK... I don't trust any of his error prone work.

Here are totals (my count) with verse numbers -- tell us which do not belong?

1:1 ALLAH
1:2 LLAH
2:1  ALLAH
2:7 ALLAH
2:8 ALLAH
2:9  ALLAH
2:10  ALLAH
2:15  ALLAH
2:17  ALLAH
2:19 ALLAH
2:20  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:22  LLAH
2:23  ALLAH
2:26  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:27  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:28 ALLAH
2:55  ALLAH
2:60  ALLAH
2:61   ALLAH  ALLAH
2:62 ALLAH
2:64  ALLAH
2:67 ALLAH  ALLAH
2:70  ALLAH
2:72 ALLAH
2:73 ALLAH
2:74 ALLAH  ALLAH
2:75  ALLAH
2:76 ALLAH
2:77 ALLAH
2:79 ALLAH
2:80   ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
2:83  ALLAH
2:85  ALLAH
2:88 ALLAH
2:89   ALLAH  ALLAH
2:90   ALLAH  ALLAH
2:91  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:94 ALLAH
2:95 ALLAH
2:96 ALLAH
2:97 ALLAH
2:98  LLAH ALLAH
2:101  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:102  ALLAH
2:103 ALLAH
2:105  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:106 ALLAH
2:107 ALLAH  ALLAH
2:109  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:110  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:112  LLAH
2:113 ALLAH
2:114  ALLAH
2:115  LLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:116  ALLAH
2:118  ALLAH
2:120  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:126 ALLAH
2:132  ALLAH
2:136 ALLAH
2:137  ALLAH
2:138 ALLAH  ALLAH
2:139  ALLAH
2:140 ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:142 LLAH
2:143  ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
2:144 ALLAH
2:148 ALLAH  ALLAH
2:149  ALLAH
2:153 ALLAH
2:154  ALLAH
2:156 LLAH
2:158  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:159  ALLAH
2:161 ALLAH
2:164 ALLAH
2:165   ALLAH  ALLAH LLAH LLAH ALLAH
2:167  ALLAH
2:169 ALLAH
2:170  ALLAH
2:172 LLAH
2:173  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:174  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:176  ALLAH
2:177 ALLAH
2:181  ALLAH
2:182  ALLAH
2:185  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:187  ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
2:189  ALLAH
2:190   ALLAH  ALLAH
2:192  ALLAH
2:193  LLAH
2:194  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:195  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:196 LLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
2:197  ALLAH
2:198 ALLAH
2:199  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:200 ALLAH
2:202  ALLAH
2:203   ALLAH  ALLAH
2:204  ALLAH
2:205 ALLAH
2:206  ALLAH
2:207  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:209 ALLAH
2:210  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:211  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:212 ALLAH
2:213  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:214  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:215  ALLAH
2:216 ALLAH
2:217  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:218 ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:219  ALLAH
2:220   ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:221  ALLAH
2:222  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:223 ALLAH
2:224   ALLAH  ALLAH
2:225  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:226  ALLAH
2:227  ALLAH
2:228  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:229  ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
2:230   ALLAH  ALLAH
2:231  ALLAH  ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
2:232  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:233  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:234 ALLAH
2:235   ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
2:237 ALLAH
2:238  LLAH
2:239  ALLAH
2:240  ALLAH
2:242  ALLAH
2:243   ALLAH  ALLAH
2:244   ALLAH  ALLAH
2:245  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:246 ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
2:247 ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:249  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:251   ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:252  ALLAH
2:253  ALLAH  ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
2:255  ALLAH
2:256   ALLAH  ALLAH
2:257  ALLAH
2:258   ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
2:259  ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
2:260  ALLAH
2:261 ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
2:262  ALLAH
2:263 ALLAH
2:264  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:265  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:266 ALLAH
2:267 ALLAH
2:268 ALLAH  ALLAH
2:270 ALLAH
2:271  ALLAH
2:272   ALLAH  ALLAH
2:273   ALLAH  ALLAH
2:275  ALLAH  ALLAH
2:276 ALLAH  ALLAH
2:278  ALLAH
2:279  ALLAH
2:281  ALLAH
2:282   ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH  ALLAH
2:283 ALLAH  ALLAH
2:284  LLAH ALLAH  ALLAH
2:285  ALLAH
2:286 ALLAH
3:1 ALLAH
3:2  ALLAH
3:4  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:5 ALLAH
3:7 ALLAH
3:9 ALLAH
3:10  ALLAH
3:11  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:13 ALLAH  ALLAH
3:14 ALLAH
3:15  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:18 ALLAH
3:19  ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
3:20 LLAH ALLAH
3:21 ALLAH
3:23 ALLAH
3:26 ALLAH
3:28  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:29  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:30   ALLAH  ALLAH
3:31  ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
3:32 ALLAH  ALLAH
3:33 ALLAH
3:34  ALLAH
3:36 ALLAH
3:37   ALLAH  ALLAH
3:39  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:40 ALLAH
3:42 ALLAH
3:45 ALLAH
3:47  ALLAH
3:49   ALLAH  ALLAH
3:50  ALLAH
3:51 ALLAH
3:52  ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
3:54 ALLAH  ALLAH
3:55  ALLAH
3:57  ALLAH
3:59  ALLAH
3:61  ALLAH
3:62  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:63  ALLAH
3:64 ALLAH  ALLAH
3:66 ALLAH
3:68 ALLAH
3:70  ALLAH
3:73  ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
3:74  ALLAH
3:75 ALLAH
3:76  ALLAH
3:77  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:78 ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
3:79  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:81  ALLAH
3:83  ALLAH
3:84  ALLAH
3:86  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:87 ALLAH
3:89  ALLAH
3:92 ALLAH
3:94 ALLAH
3:95  ALLAH
3:97  LLAH  ALLAH
3:98 ALLAH  ALLAH
3:99  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:101  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:102  ALLAH
3:103 ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
3:107 ALLAH
3:108   ALLAH  ALLAH
3:109  LLAH ALLAH
3:110  ALLAH
3:112 ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:113 ALLAH
3:114  ALLAH
3:115  ALLAH
3:116  ALLAH
3:117  ALLAH
3:119 ALLAH
3:120 ALLAH
3:121  ALLAH
3:122  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:123  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:126 ALLAH  ALLAH
3:129  LLAH  ALLAH
3:130 ALLAH
3:132  ALLAH
3:134 ALLAH
3:135   ALLAH  ALLAH
3:140  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:141 ALLAH
3:142 ALLAH
3:144 ALLAH  ALLAH
3:145  ALLAH
3:146  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:148 ALLAH  ALLAH
3:150 ALLAH
3:151 ALLAH
3:152  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:153 ALLAH
3:154 ALLAH  LLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
3:155  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:156 ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:157   ALLAH  ALLAH
3:158  ALLAH
3:159  ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
3:160   ALLAH  ALLAH
3:162  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:163 ALLAH  ALLAH
3:164  ALLAH
3:165 ALLAH
3:166  ALLAH
3:167   ALLAH  ALLAH
3:169  ALLAH
3:170 ALLAH
3:171   ALLAH  ALLAH
3:172 LLAH
3:173  ALLAH
3:174  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:176  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:177 ALLAH
3:179   ALLAH  ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
3:180 ALLAH LLAH ALLAH
3:181  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:182  ALLAH
3:183  ALLAH
3:187  ALLAH
3:189  LLAH ALLAH
3:191 ALLAH
3:195  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:198  ALLAH  ALLAH
3:199 ALLAH LLAH ALLAH  ALLAH
3:200  ALLAH
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24:59  ALLAH  ALLAH
24:60  ALLAH
24:61  ALLAH  ALLAH
24:62  ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
24:63 ALLAH
24:64  LLAH  ALLAH
25:1  ALLAH
25:17  ALLAH
25:41  ALLAH
25:55 ALLAH
25:68   ALLAH  ALLAH
25:70  ALLAH  ALLAH
25:71  ALLAH
26:1  ALLAH 
26:89 ALLAH
26:93 ALLAH
26:97  ALLAH
26:108  ALLAH
26:110  ALLAH
26:126  ALLAH
26:131  ALLAH
26:144  ALLAH
26:150  ALLAH
26:163  ALLAH
26:179  ALLAH
26:213 ALLAH
26:227 ALLAH
27:1  ALLAH
27:8  ALLAH
27:9 ALLAH
27:15 LLAH
27:24  ALLAH
27:25 LLAH
27:26  ALLAH
27:30 ALLAH
27:36 ALLAH
27:43  ALLAH
27:44  LLAH
27:45 ALLAH
27:46 ALLAH
27:47  ALLAH
27:49  ALLAH
27:59  LLAH  ALLAH
27:60  ALLAH
27:61 ALLAH
27:62  ALLAH
27:63  ALLAH  ALLAH
27:64 ALLAH
27:65  ALLAH
27:79  ALLAH
27:87 ALLAH
27:88 ALLAH
27:93 LLAH
28:1  ALLAH 
28:13 ALLAH
28:27  ALLAH
28:28 ALLAH
28:30  ALLAH
28:49  ALLAH
28:50  ALLAH  ALLAH
28:56 ALLAH
28:60 ALLAH
28:68  ALLAH
28:70  ALLAH
28:71  ALLAH  ALLAH
28:72  ALLAH  ALLAH
28:75 LLAH
28:76 ALLAH
28:77 ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
28:78  ALLAH
28:80 ALLAH
28:81 ALLAH
28:82 ALLAH  ALLAH
28:87 ALLAH
28:88  ALLAH
29:1  ALLAH 
29:3 ALLAH
29:5 ALLAH  ALLAH
29:6 ALLAH
29:10  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
29:11  ALLAH
29:16  ALLAH
29:17   ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
29:19  ALLAH  ALLAH
29:20 ALLAH  ALLAH
29:22  ALLAH
29:23  ALLAH
29:24  ALLAH
29:25 ALLAH
29:29 ALLAH
29:36 ALLAH
29:40 ALLAH
29:41 ALLAH
29:42 ALLAH
29:44 ALLAH
29:45   ALLAH  ALLAH
29:50 ALLAH
29:52   ALLAH  ALLAH
29:60 ALLAH
29:61  ALLAH
29:62  ALLAH  ALLAH
29:63 ALLAH  LLAH
29:65 ALLAH
29:67 ALLAH
29:68  ALLAH
29:69  ALLAH
30:1 ALLAH 
30:4 LLAH
30:5 ALLAH
30:6   ALLAH  ALLAH
30:8 ALLAH
30:9  ALLAH
30:10 ALLAH
30:11  ALLAH
30:17 ALLAH
30:29  ALLAH
30:30 ALLAH  ALLAH
30:37 ALLAH
30:38  ALLAH
30:39 ALLAH  ALLAH
30:40  ALLAH
30:43 ALLAH
30:48  ALLAH
30:50  ALLAH
30:54  ALLAH
30:56  ALLAH
30:59  ALLAH
30:60  ALLAH
31:1  ALLAH 
31:6 ALLAH
31:9  ALLAH
31:11  ALLAH
31:12 LLAH  ALLAH
31:13 ALLAH
31:16  ALLAH  ALLAH
31:18  ALLAH
31:20   ALLAH  ALLAH
31:21  ALLAH
31:22  ALLAH  ALLAH
31:23 ALLAH
31:25  ALLAH  LLAH
31:26  LLAH  ALLAH
31:27   ALLAH  ALLAH
31:28 ALLAH
31:29  ALLAH  ALLAH
31:30  ALLAH  ALLAH
31:31  ALLAH
31:32  ALLAH
31:33 ALLAH  ALLAH
31:34 ALLAH  ALLAH
32:1  ALLAH 
32:4  ALLAH
33:1  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
33:2  ALLAH
33:3   ALLAH  ALLAH
33:4 ALLAH  ALLAH
33:5  ALLAH  ALLAH
33:6 ALLAH
33:9  ALLAH  ALLAH
33:10 ALLAH
33:12 ALLAH
33:15   ALLAH  ALLAH
33:17   ALLAH  ALLAH
33:18  ALLAH
33:19 ALLAH  ALLAH
33:21   ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
33:22 ALLAH  ALLAH
33:23 ALLAH
33:24 ALLAH  ALLAH
33:25   ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
33:27  ALLAH
33:29   ALLAH  ALLAH
33:30  ALLAH
33:31  LLAH
33:33   ALLAH  ALLAH
33:34  ALLAH  ALLAH
33:35  ALLAH  ALLAH
33:36 ALLAH  ALLAH
33:37  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
33:38 ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
33:39   ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
33:40  ALLAH  ALLAH
33:41  ALLAH
33:46 ALLAH
33:47  ALLAH
33:48   ALLAH  ALLAH
33:50  ALLAH  ALLAH
33:51 ALLAH  ALLAH
33:52  ALLAH
33:53  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
33:54  ALLAH
33:55   ALLAH  ALLAH
33:56 ALLAH
33:57  ALLAH  ALLAH
33:59  ALLAH
33:62 ALLAH  ALLAH
33:63  ALLAH
33:64 ALLAH
33:66  ALLAH
33:69  ALLAH  ALLAH
33:70  ALLAH
33:71 ALLAH
33:73 ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
34:1  ALLAH  LLAH
34:8  ALLAH
34:22  ALLAH
34:24 ALLAH
34:27 ALLAH
34:33 ALLAH
34:46  LLAH
34:47 ALLAH
35:1  ALLAH  LLAH  ALLAH
35:2 ALLAH
35:3  ALLAH  ALLAH
35:4 ALLAH
35:5 ALLAH  ALLAH
35:8   ALLAH  ALLAH
35:9  ALLAH
35:10  LLAH
35:11  ALLAH  ALLAH
35:13 ALLAH
35:15 ALLAH  ALLAH
35:17  ALLAH
35:18 ALLAH
35:22 ALLAH
35:27 ALLAH
35:28  ALLAH  ALLAH
35:29 ALLAH
35:31  ALLAH
35:32  ALLAH
35:34 LLAH
35:38 ALLAH
35:40 ALLAH
35:41 ALLAH
35:42  ALLAH
35:43  ALLAH  ALLAH
35:44 ALLAH
35:45 ALLAH  ALLAH
36:1  ALLAH 
36:47 ALLAH  ALLAH
36:74 ALLAH
37:1  ALLAH
37:23 ALLAH
37:35  ALLAH
37:40  ALLAH
37:56 ALLAH
37:74  ALLAH
37:86  ALLAH
37:96  ALLAH
37:102  ALLAH
37:126  ALLAH
37:128  ALLAH
37:152  ALLAH
37:159 ALLAH
37:160  ALLAH
37:169  ALLAH
37:182  LLAH
38:1  ALLAH 
38:26  ALLAH  ALLAH
38:65  ALLAH
39:1  ALLAH  ALLAH
39:2 ALLAH
39:3 LLAH ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
39:4  ALLAH  ALLAH
39:6  ALLAH
39:7  ALLAH
39:8 LLAH
39:10  ALLAH
39:11 ALLAH
39:14 ALLAH
39:16  ALLAH
39:17 ALLAH
39:18 ALLAH
39:20  ALLAH  ALLAH
39:21 ALLAH
39:22   ALLAH  ALLAH
39:23  ALLAH  ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
39:26 ALLAH
39:29 ALLAH  LLAH
39:32 ALLAH
39:35 ALLAH
39:36  ALLAH  ALLAH
39:37 ALLAH  ALLAH
39:38   ALLAH  ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
39:42  ALLAH
39:43  ALLAH
39:44 LLAH
39:45  ALLAH
39:46 ALLAH
39:47  ALLAH
39:52 ALLAH
39:53  ALLAH  ALLAH
39:56 ALLAH
39:57 ALLAH
39:60  ALLAH
39:61 ALLAH
39:62  ALLAH
39:63  ALLAH
39:64  ALLAH
39:66 ALLAH
39:67  ALLAH
39:68 ALLAH
39:74 LLAH
39:75 LLAH
40:1  ALLAH 
40:2 ALLAH
40:4 ALLAH
40:10 ALLAH
40:12  ALLAH LLAH
40:14  ALLAH
40:16 ALLAH  LLAH
40:17 ALLAH
40:20   ALLAH  ALLAH
40:21 ALLAH  ALLAH
40:22 ALLAH
40:28  ALLAH  ALLAH
40:29 ALLAH
40:31 ALLAH
40:33  ALLAH  ALLAH
40:34 ALLAH  ALLAH
40:35 ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
40:42 ALLAH
40:43 ALLAH
40:44   ALLAH  ALLAH
40:45 ALLAH
40:48  ALLAH
40:55  ALLAH
40:56   ALLAH  ALLAH
40:61  ALLAH  ALLAH
40:62 ALLAH
40:63  ALLAH
40:64  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
40:65  LLAH
40:66 ALLAH
40:69  ALLAH
40:74  ALLAH  ALLAH
40:77  ALLAH
40:78   ALLAH  ALLAH
40:79  ALLAH
40:81  ALLAH
40:84 ALLAH
40:85 ALLAH
41:1  ALLAH 
41:14  ALLAH
41:15  ALLAH
41:19  ALLAH
41:21 ALLAH
41:22  ALLAH
41:28 ALLAH
41:30 ALLAH
41:33  ALLAH
41:36 ALLAH
41:37  LLAH
41:52  ALLAH
42:1  ALLAH 
42:3 ALLAH
42:5 ALLAH
42:6  ALLAH
42:8 ALLAH
42:9  ALLAH
42:10   ALLAH  ALLAH
42:13 ALLAH
42:15   ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
42:16  ALLAH
42:17  ALLAH
42:19  ALLAH
42:21 ALLAH
42:23  ALLAH  ALLAH
42:24  ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
42:27 ALLAH
42:31  ALLAH
42:36 ALLAH
42:40 ALLAH
42:44 ALLAH
42:46   ALLAH  ALLAH
42:47  ALLAH
42:49  LLAH
42:51  ALLAH
42:53 ALLAH  ALLAH
43:1  ALLAH 
43:63 ALLAH
43:64 ALLAH
43:87  ALLAH
44:1  ALLAH 
44:18 ALLAH
44:19 ALLAH
44:42 ALLAH
45:1  ALLAH 
45:2 ALLAH
45:5  ALLAH
45:6  ALLAH  ALLAH
45:8  ALLAH
45:10 ALLAH
45:12  ALLAH
45:14  ALLAH
45:19   ALLAH  ALLAH
45:22 ALLAH
45:23   ALLAH  ALLAH
45:26 ALLAH
45:27  LLAH
45:32 ALLAH
45:35  ALLAH
45:36  LLAH
46:1  ALLAH 
46:2 ALLAH
46:4 ALLAH
46:5 ALLAH
46:8  ALLAH
46:10  ALLAH  ALLAH
46:13 ALLAH
46:17  ALLAH  ALLAH
46:21  ALLAH
46:23  ALLAH
46:26  ALLAH
46:28 ALLAH
46:31 ALLAH
46:32  ALLAH
46:33 ALLAH
47:1  ALLAH  ALLAH
47:3  ALLAH
47:4 ALLAH  ALLAH
47:7 ALLAH
47:9 ALLAH
47:10  ALLAH
47:11  ALLAH
47:12 ALLAH
47:16  ALLAH
47:19 ALLAH  ALLAH
47:21 ALLAH
47:23 ALLAH
47:26  ALLAH  ALLAH
47:28 ALLAH
47:29 ALLAH
47:30 ALLAH
47:32  ALLAH  ALLAH
47:33  ALLAH
47:34   ALLAH  ALLAH
47:35  ALLAH
47:38  ALLAH  ALLAH
48:1  ALLAH 
48:2  ALLAH
48:3 ALLAH
48:4  LLAH ALLAH
48:5  ALLAH
48:6  ALLAH  ALLAH
48:7  LLAH ALLAH
48:9  ALLAH
48:10   ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
48:11  ALLAH  ALLAH
48:13  ALLAH
48:14  LLAH  ALLAH
48:15  ALLAH  ALLAH
48:16  ALLAH
48:17 ALLAH
48:18  ALLAH
48:19  ALLAH
48:20 ALLAH
48:21 ALLAH  ALLAH
48:23  ALLAH  ALLAH
48:24  ALLAH
48:25  ALLAH
48:26 ALLAH  ALLAH
48:27  ALLAH  ALLAH
48:28  ALLAH
48:29 ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
49:1  ALLAH    ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
49:3   ALLAH  ALLAH
49:5 ALLAH
49:7   ALLAH  ALLAH
49:8  ALLAH  ALLAH
49:9  ALLAH  ALLAH
49:10 ALLAH
49:12   ALLAH  ALLAH
49:13  ALLAH  ALLAH
49:14 ALLAH  ALLAH
49:15   ALLAH  ALLAH
49:16  ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
49:17  ALLAH
49:18 ALLAH  ALLAH
50:1  ALLAH
50:26 ALLAH
51:1  ALLAH
51:50 ALLAH
51:51 ALLAH
51:58 ALLAH
52:1 ALLAH 
52:27 ALLAH
52:43   ALLAH  ALLAH
53:1  ALLAH 
53:23  ALLAH
53:25  LLAH
53:26 ALLAH
53:31  LLAH
53:58 ALLAH
53:62  LLAH
54:1  ALLAH
55:1  ALLAH 
56:1 ALLAH 
57:1  ALLAH  LLAH
57:4 ALLAH
57:5 ALLAH
57:7  ALLAH
57:8 ALLAH
57:9  ALLAH
57:10  ALLAH  LLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
57:11  ALLAH
57:14  ALLAH  ALLAH
57:16 ALLAH
57:17 ALLAH
57:18 ALLAH
57:19 ALLAH
57:20  ALLAH
57:21  ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
57:22 ALLAH
57:23 ALLAH
57:24  ALLAH
57:25  ALLAH  ALLAH
57:27  ALLAH
57:28  ALLAH  ALLAH
57:29 ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
58:1  ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
58:2  ALLAH
58:3 ALLAH
58:4 ALLAH  ALLAH
58:5  ALLAH
58:6 ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
58:7  ALLAH  ALLAH
58:8  ALLAH  ALLAH
58:9 ALLAH
58:10   ALLAH  ALLAH
58:11  ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
58:12 ALLAH
58:13  ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
58:14 ALLAH
58:15 ALLAH
58:16  ALLAH
58:17  ALLAH
58:18 ALLAH
58:19 ALLAH
58:20  ALLAH
58:21  ALLAH  ALLAH
58:22  ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
59:1  ALLAH  LLAH
59:2  ALLAH  ALLAH
59:3  ALLAH
59:4  ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
59:5  ALLAH
59:6 ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
59:7 ALLAH LLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
59:8  ALLAH  ALLAH
59:11 ALLAH
59:13  ALLAH
59:16  ALLAH
59:18  ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
59:19 ALLAH
59:21  ALLAH
59:22  ALLAH
59:23   ALLAH  ALLAH
59:24  ALLAH
60:1  ALLAH  ALLAH
60:3 ALLAH
60:4   ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
60:6 ALLAH  ALLAH
60:7 ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
60:8  ALLAH  ALLAH
60:9  ALLAH
60:10  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
60:11 ALLAH
60:12 ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
60:13 ALLAH
61:1  ALLAH  LLAH
61:3 ALLAH
61:4 ALLAH
61:5   ALLAH  ALLAH ALLAH
61:6  ALLAH
61:7  ALLAH  ALLAH
61:8   ALLAH  ALLAH
61:11   ALLAH  ALLAH
61:13  ALLAH
61:14 ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
62:1  ALLAH  LLAH
62:4   ALLAH  ALLAH
62:5 ALLAH  ALLAH
62:6 LLAH
62:7 ALLAH
62:9  ALLAH
62:10 ALLAH  ALLAH
62:11 ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
63:1 ALLAH   ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
63:2  ALLAH
63:4 ALLAH
63:5 ALLAH
63:6  ALLAH  ALLAH
63:7 ALLAH LLAH
63:8  LLAH
63:9 ALLAH
63:11 ALLAH  ALLAH
64:1  ALLAH  LLAH
64:2  ALLAH
64:4  ALLAH
64:6  ALLAH  ALLAH
64:7 ALLAH
64:8   ALLAH  ALLAH
64:9 ALLAH
64:11  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
64:12  ALLAH
64:13   ALLAH  ALLAH
64:14 ALLAH
64:15  ALLAH
64:16  ALLAH
64:17 ALLAH  ALLAH
65:1  ALLAH    ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
65:2  LLAH ALLAH  ALLAH
65:3 ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
65:4 ALLAH
65:5   ALLAH  ALLAH
65:7   ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
65:10  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
65:11   ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
65:12  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
66:1  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH
66:2   ALLAH  ALLAH
66:3 ALLAH
66:4  ALLAH  ALLAH
66:6  ALLAH
66:8  ALLAH  ALLAH
66:10  ALLAH  ALLAH
66:11 ALLAH
67:1  ALLAH
67:9  ALLAH
67:26 ALLAH
67:28  ALLAH
68:1  ALLAH
69:1  ALLAH 
69:33 ALLAH
70:1  ALLAH
70:3 ALLAH
71:1 ALLAH 
71:3 ALLAH
71:4  ALLAH
71:13 LLAH
71:15 ALLAH
71:17  ALLAH
71:19  ALLAH
71:25  ALLAH
72:1  ALLAH 
72:4  ALLAH
72:5  ALLAH
72:7  ALLAH
72:12 ALLAH
72:18 LLAH  ALLAH
72:19 ALLAH
72:22 ALLAH
72:23 ALLAH  ALLAH
73:1  ALLAH
73:20  ALLAH  ALLAH  ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH   ALLAH  ALLAH
74:1  ALLAH
74:31 ALLAH  ALLAH
74:56 ALLAH
75:1  ALLAH
76:1  ALLAH 
76:6  ALLAH
76:9 ALLAH
76:11 ALLAH
76:30  ALLAH  ALLAH
77:1  ALLAH

78:1  ALLAH
79:1  ALLAH
79:25 ALLAH
80:1  ALLAH
81:1 ALLAH 
81:29 ALLAH
82:1  ALLAH 
82:19 LLAH
83:1  ALLAH 
84:1  ALLAH 
84:23  ALLAH
85:1  ALLAH 
85:8 ALLAH
85:9 ALLAH
85:20  ALLAH
86:1  ALLAH
87:1  ALLAH
87:7  ALLAH
88:1  ALLAH
88:24 ALLAH
89:1  ALLAH 
90:1  ALLAH 
91:1  ALLAH
91:13   ALLAH  ALLAH
92:1  ALLAH

93:1  ALLAH 
94:1  ALLAH
95:1  ALLAH
95:8 ALLAH
96:1  ALLAH 
96:14 ALLAH
97:1  ALLAH 
98:1  ALLAH 
98:2 ALLAH
98:5 ALLAH
98:8 ALLAH
99:1  ALLAH
100:1  ALLAH
101:1  ALLAH 
102:1  ALLAH
103:1  ALLAH 
104:1  ALLAH 
104:6 ALLAH
105:1  ALLAH 
106:1  ALLAH
107:1 ALLAH
108:1  ALLAH 
109:1 ALLAH 
110:1  ALLAH  ALLAH
110:2  ALLAH
111:1  ALLAH 
112:1  ALLAH  ALLAH
112:2  ALLAH
113:1  ALLAH
114:1  ALLAH


________________________________________
The number of LLAH text-occurrences: 2818
2818 – 112 chapter titles = 2706


(say: "O God..." not included if you say so)
3:26, 5:114, 8:32, 10:10 (omit one), 39:46  = - 5

9:129 = - 1

2706 – 5 - 1 = 2700


Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Holiday on January 04, 2009, 12:03:27 AM
Peace Ahmad,

So, once you drop the count of 6:3, which is used as a common noun instead of a proper noun (i.e. "He is the god in the heavens..."),

I noticed you want to drop 6:3 -- are you serious and going to drop all these as well?

‏6:3 وهو الله في السماوات وفي الارض يعلم سركم وجهركم ويعلم ماتكسبون

And He is The God in the skies/space and in the earth, He knows your secret and your publicized, and He knows what you gain/acquire.

‏He is The God...
‏‏18:38 لكنا هو الله ربي ولااشرك بربي احدا
‏28:70 وهو الله لااله الا هو له الحمد في الاولى والاخرة وله الحكم واليه ترجعون
‏34:27 قل اروني الذين الحقتم به شركاء كلا بل هو الله العزيز الحكيم
‏39:4 لو اراد الله ان يتخذ ولدا لاصطفى مما يخلق مايشاء سبحانه هو الله الواحد القهار
‏59:22 هو الله الذي لااله الا هو عالم الغيب والشهادة هو الرحمن الرحيم
‏59:23 هو الله الذي لااله الا هو الملك القدوس السلام المؤمن المهيمن العزيز الجبار المتكبر سبحان الله عما يشركون
‏59:24 هو الله الخالق البارئ المصور له الاسماء الحسنى يسبح له مافي السماوات والارض وهو العزيز الحكيم


Enough of this!

Goodbye!


Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Hasan Ozturk on January 04, 2009, 03:46:20 AM
Holiday, it will be take few times to verify and compare you list, God willing.

H. O.

Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Holiday on January 04, 2009, 03:55:18 AM
Holiday, it will be take few times to verify and compare you list, God willing.

H. O.

It's easy -- use search tool...

Quran Word Search
http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran_search.htm

Parameter: لله
Search Type: Exact String
The number of text-occurrences: 2820

2820 - 112 chapter titles not counted (some my say a contradiction) = 2708

77:31 & 92:12 (not applicable) = - 2

اللهم say: "O God..." not included (some my say a contradiction)
3:26, 5:114, 8:32, 10:10 (one occurance), 39:46  = - 5

9:129 = - 1

2708 – 2 – 5 - 1 = 2700

Simple question: which other 2 are excluded besides the above and why?




Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Hasan Ozturk on January 04, 2009, 05:58:54 AM
Glory is to GOD; I found one of you errors was in verse 6:39. This verse contain 1 times the word "ALLAH" but you count 2 times!
 You count the DALALAH (misguidance, astray) as "LILLAH", what a perfect Sign from GOD, ALLAHU AKBAR!!!

Indeed the disbelievers are misguide people, 74:31!!!!!

H. O.


It's easy -- use search tool...

Quran Word Search
http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran_search.htm

Parameter: لله
Search Type: Exact String
The number of text-occurrences: 2820

2820 - 112 chapter titles not counted (some my say a contradiction) = 2708

77:31 & 92:12 (not applicable) = - 2

اللهم say: "O God..." not included (some my say a contradiction)
3:26, 5:114, 8:32, 10:10 (one occurance), 39:46  = - 5

9:129 = - 1

2708 – 2 – 5 - 1 = 2700

Simple question: which other 2 are excluded besides the above and why?





Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Ahmad Bilal on January 04, 2009, 09:21:42 AM
Peace,

I noticed you want to drop 6:3 -- are you serious and going to drop all these as well?

I was just kidding about dropping of 6:3. I wanted to see what your reaction would be...  ;D I don't know why you're getting so hostile over this situation. Why don't you look at Rashad's translation, and count the individual counts of "Allah" yourself? This would be much better and easier than spitting out falsehoods and being repeatedly proven to be wrong...  ::) Just calm down, buddy. Do some real research through the actual Qur'an, and stop trusting everything you read on "answering-islam" websites. That information is NOT ACCURATE.

Peace,

Ahmad
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Holiday on January 04, 2009, 12:15:18 PM
I found one of you errors was in verse 6:39. This verse contain 1 times the word "ALLAH" but you count 2 times!

OK my mistake that was search program, keep looking...

2820 - 112 chapter titles not counted (a contradiction) = 2708

6:39, 77:31, & 92:12 (not applicable) = - 3

اللهم "O God..." not counted (a contradiction):
3:26, 5:114, 8:32, 10:10 (one occurance), 39:46  = - 5

9:129 not counted = - 1

2708 – 3 – 5 - 1 = 2699

Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Holiday on January 04, 2009, 12:24:08 PM
Peace,

I was just kidding about dropping of 6:3. I wanted to see what your reaction would be...  ;D

No, you posted using your usual serious “grammar” mode operandi and you know that you messed up and now you are giggling. This is what you wrote...

So, once you drop the count of 6:3, which is used as a common noun instead of a proper noun (i.e. "He is the god in the heavens..."), the total count of "Allah" (including 9:129) still comes out to 2699! Therefore, once he dismissed the count of "Allah" in 9:129, the count was reduced to 2698, which is a multiple of 19...

DO YOUR HOMEWORK, BUDDY...  ::)
....

By the way, contrary to what you may think, I appreciate your criticism. It allows me to actually do a more thorough examination of Rashad's works in light of the Qur'an. So, thanks...

Therefore, according to your logic “used as a common noun instead of a proper noun (i.e. "He is The God”) these 9 are not counted.


‏He is The God...

‏‏6:3 وهو الله في السماوات وفي الارض يعلم سركم وجهركم ويعلم ماتكسبون
‏18:38 لكنا هو الله ربي ولااشرك بربي احدا
‏28:70 وهو الله لااله الا هو له الحمد في الاولى والاخرة وله الحكم واليه ترجعون
‏34:27 قل اروني الذين الحقتم به شركاء كلا بل هو الله العزيز الحكيم
‏39:4 لو اراد الله ان يتخذ ولدا لاصطفى مما يخلق مايشاء سبحانه هو الله الواحد القهار
‏59:22 هو الله الذي لااله الا هو عالم الغيب والشهادة هو الرحمن الرحيم
‏59:23 هو الله الذي لااله الا هو الملك القدوس السلام المؤمن المهيمن العزيز الجبار المتكبر سبحان الله عما يشركون
‏59:24 هو الله الخالق البارئ المصور له الاسماء الحسنى يسبح له مافي السماوات والارض وهو العزيز الحكيم
‏112:1 سورة الاخلاص بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم ٛـــــــ قل هو الله احد

I looked at information that you referred me too earlier remember...
http://www.submission.org/miracle/pdf/vis3.pdf

NO.   CHAPTER   VERSE
2574   .......63      5
2575   .......63      6
2576   .......63      7 <------ This should be a "6", not a "7"!
2577   .......63      7
2578   .......63      7

(1) There are 2 counts of "Allah" in 9:15, and only 1 was counted
(2) There are 2 counts of "Allah" in 40:74, and only 1 was counted

Most of his work is riddled with errors in counting/manipulating and contradicting Quran.



Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Hasan Ozturk on January 04, 2009, 12:32:39 PM
Holiday:

You still have a MISTAKE and i could show it to you, but i consider its a chance for you, may you will repent and ask GOD for guidance!

Will you repent and reform? or will you continue in arrogant & ignorant, God willing we will see, 74:31!

Praise be to GOD, Lord of the Universe!

OK my mistake that was search program, keep looking...

2820 - 112 chapter titles not counted (a contradiction) = 2708

6:39, 77:31, & 92:12 (not applicable) = - 3

اللهم "O God..." not counted (a contradiction):
3:26, 5:114, 8:32, 10:10 (one occurance), 39:46  = - 5

9:129 not counted = - 1

2708 – 3 – 5 - 1 = 2699


Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Holiday on January 04, 2009, 12:45:24 PM
Holiday:

You still has a MISTAKE and i could show it to you, but i consider its a chance for you, may you will repent and ask GOD for guidance!

Will you repent and reform? or will you continue in arrogant & ignorant, God willing we will see, 74:31!


H.O.

This is your chance to repent not mine; you are following an idol...

2820 - 112 chapter titles not counted (a contradiction) = 2708

6:39, 77:31, & 92:12 (not applicable) = - 3

The count of Allah in Quran now stands at 2705 and it is nothing but a trial for you.

74:31 And We did not make the fire's owners (guards) except angels, and We did not make their number/count except (as) a test to those who disbelieved...

If you continue to believe in this false messenger who calls God's verses satanic and you continue to propagate this lie; you'll be looking at 19 angels above you.


Peace



Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Hasan Ozturk on January 04, 2009, 01:14:41 PM
Glory is to GOD! Everybody on free-mind can now witness how blind and arrogant you are and why you are not able to count the word GOD, simply you are forbidden to count the right number of the word "ALLAH" like many others before you!

This will stay until you will reform, repent and ask GOD for guidance, insha'Allah!

I will no more respons to you posts until you chance you mind.

H. O.
 
H.O.

This is your chance to repent not mine; you are following an idol...

2820 - 112 chapter titles not counted (a contradiction) = 2708

6:39, 77:31, & 92:12 (not applicable) = - 3

The count of Allah in Quran now stands at 2705 and it is nothing but a trial for you.

74:31 And We did not make the fire's owners (guards) except angels, and We did not make their number/count except (as) a test to those who disbelieved...

If you continue to believe in this false messenger who calls God's verses satanic and you continue to propagate this lie; you'll be looking at 19 angels above you.


Peace




Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: ayman on January 04, 2009, 01:33:39 PM
Peace Ahmad,

You can't count the occurrances of the word "allahuma" and "allahukum" because they don't refer to Allah as a named being. It literally means "our god" and "your god", making the word "(a)llah" a common noun, not a proper noun like all the other occurrances.

Here you say that when “allah” is a common noun, it is not counted.

once you drop the count of 6:3, which is used as a common noun instead of a proper noun (i.e. "He is the god in the heavens..."), the total count of "Allah" (including 9:129) still comes out to 2699! Therefore, once he dismissed the count of "Allah" in 9:129, the count was reduced to 2698, which is a multiple of 19...

Here you state the obvious fact that “allah” in 6:3 is also a common noun.

I was just kidding about dropping of 6:3. I wanted to see what your reaction would be...

Realizing that now your Code 19 counts would be messed up if 6:3 is excluded; you suddenly change your mind and say that the common noun “allah” in 6:3 is included.

But if by your own admission, common nouns are included then the common nouns “allahuma" and "allahukum” in 3:26, 5:114, 8:32, 10:10, and 39:46 must also be included.

You clearly fell into the temptation/”fitna” of the count of 19 and are caught in your web of contradictions. This and your earlier desperate nonsense about the meaning of “إلا “ demonstrates that you are following in the footsteps of Khalifa and like him disregarding truth for the sake of your obsession with 19. This is exactly what 74:31 predicted.

Peace,

Ayman
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Ahmad Bilal on January 04, 2009, 03:24:33 PM
Peace Ayman,

Here you say that when “allah” is a common noun, it is not counted.

Here you state the obvious fact that “allah” in 6:3 is also a common noun.

Realizing that now your Code 19 counts would be messed up if 6:3 is excluded; you suddenly change your mind and say that the common noun “allah” in 6:3 is included.

First of all, I was joking about the 6:3 deletion. If you look through Rashad's count, he counts 6:3 as a definate occurrance of the word "Allah", which it is. I wanted to see Holiday's reaction to the claim... On the issue of the word "allah" being used as a common noun, in 6:3 it is not a common noun. Common nouns are in the other occurrances that I mentioned, which specifically say "your god", "our god", and "my god". This is not using "Allah" as a proper noun since, as you know, there's no grammatically correct way to say "my allah" or "your allah". Therefore, these instances are not counted...

But if by your own admission, common nouns are included then the common nouns “allahuma" and "allahukum” in 3:26, 5:114, 8:32, 10:10, and 39:46 must also be included.

I just explained this instance above...

You clearly fell into the temptation/”fitna” of the count of 19 and are caught in your web of contradictions. This and your earlier desperate nonsense about the meaning of “إلا “ demonstrates that you are following in the footsteps of Khalifa and like him disregarding truth for the sake of your obsession with 19. This is exactly what 74:31 predicted.

You haven't shown any instances where it means "only". In context, it means but/except, but when I considered the actual meaning of it in a textbook, it said the singular preposition means "to". So, I guess we were both wrong...  ::) Anyway, I have no obsession with 19. I just view it as a sign of God and a protection of His message...

Peace,

Ahmad
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Holiday on January 04, 2009, 05:04:45 PM
Glory is to GOD! Everybody on free-mind can now witness how blind and arrogant you are and why you are not able to count the word GOD, simply you are forbidden to count the right number of the word "ALLAH" like many others before you!

This will stay until you will reform, repent and ask GOD for guidance, insha'Allah!

I will no more respons to you posts until you chance you mind.

H. O.
 

‏I see you having NOTHING new to post. If you have something to contribute then post it.

First of all, I was joking about the 6:3 deletion. If you look through Rashad's count, he counts 6:3 as a definate occurrance of the word "Allah", which it is. I wanted to see Holiday's reaction to the claim... On the issue of the word "allah" being used as a common noun, in 6:3 it is not a common noun. Common nouns are in the other occurrances that I mentioned, which specifically say "your god", "our god", and "my god". This is not using "Allah" as a proper noun since, as you know, there's no grammatically correct way to say "my allah" or "your allah". Therefore, these instances are not counted...

This is all BS and you know it -- once you saw that your idol included 6:3 you turned into a giggler.

If you and your idol are going to exclude phrases such as:

- 5 Say: “O God...”

‏3:26; 5:114; 8:32; 10:10; 39:46
‏10:10 دعواهم فيها سبحانك اللهم وتحيتهم فيها سلام واخر دعواهم ان الحمد لله رب العالمين

Their prayer in it (is): "Oh/you God Your praise." And their greeting in it (is): "peace." and their last prayer (is): "That the praise (is) to God the creations all together's/(universes') Lord.

Then you need to exclude these phrases and others as well...

- 9 They said: "By God...”

‏12:73 قالوا تالله لقد علمتم ماجئنا لنفسد في الارض وماكنا سارقين
‏12:85 قالوا تالله تفتؤ تذكر يوسف حتى تكون حرضا او تكون من الهالكين
‏12:91 قالوا تالله لقد اثرك الله علينا وان كنا لخاطئين
‏12:95 قالوا تالله انك لفي ضلالك القديم
‏16:56 ويجعلون لما لايعلمون نصيبا مما رزقناهم تالله لتسألن عما كنتم تفترون
‏16:63 تالله لقد ارسلنا الى امم من قبلك فزين لهم الشيطان اعمالهم فهو وليهم اليوم ولهم عذاب اليم
‏21:57 وتالله لاكيدن اصنامكم بعد ان تولوا مدبرين
‏26:97 تالله ان كنا لفي ضلال مبين
‏37:56 قال تالله ان كدت لتردين

You are number manipulators and as it stands until proven otherwise:

Total count of “Allah” in Quran = 2705!

I've spent too much time and done with this.

‏28:55
And if they heard the nonsense talk, they turned away from it, and they said: "For us our deeds, and for you, your deeds, peace be on you, we do not wish/desire the ignorant."











Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Hasan Ozturk on January 04, 2009, 07:19:10 PM
I seek refuge in GOD from Satan the rejected!!!!

Holiday, you are a proven Liar by you own words!!!!

You say the Word ALLAH occurs in the Quran 2705 times but this is simply a lie!

The word ALLAH occurs 2698 times and Allahumme occurs 5 times even if you add both together the total will be 2703 also with the satanic injection still never 2705!

The difference between believe and disbelieve is very small like the Number 1 (2698 & 2699)!

I advise you to reform and repent to GOD, the Lord of the Universe, but instead follow my advise you reply with an nonsense message!

Like i said before the disbelievers can never count the word ALLAH rightfully because they are forbidden to witness GOD's awesome numerical system implement in the Quran!

Even i show you error in verse 6:39 you didnt take you lesson, because you are to arrogant and  ignorant one who cannot humble yourself before the TRUTH!

Now i show you with God's will and leave the other ERROR in you count, which is in verse 62:11! You wrongly count in the verse 3 times ALLAH but there are only 2.
You are so blind and misguide to count  "Al-lahvi" which means playing, entertainment as ALLAH! Glory is to GOD; You dangerous game was exposed and you are proven a LIAR!

God's curse upon the liars! 

ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!
 
H. O.
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Holiday on January 04, 2009, 08:20:34 PM
Holiday, you are a proven Liar by you own words!!!!!

You say the Word ALLAH occurs in the Quran 2705 times but this is simply a lie!

What I said was...

If you and your idol are going to exclude phrases such as:

- 5 Say: “our God...”

‏3:26; 5:114; 8:32; 10:10; 39:46

Then you need to exclude these phrases and others as well...

- 9 They said: "By God...”

‏12:73 قالوا تالله لقد علمتم ماجئنا لنفسد في الارض وماكنا سارقين
‏12:85 قالوا تالله تفتؤ تذكر يوسف حتى تكون حرضا او تكون من الهالكين
‏12:91 قالوا تالله لقد اثرك الله علينا وان كنا لخاطئين
‏12:95 قالوا تالله انك لفي ضلالك القديم
‏16:56 ويجعلون لما لايعلمون نصيبا مما رزقناهم تالله لتسألن عما كنتم تفترون
‏16:63 تالله لقد ارسلنا الى امم من قبلك فزين لهم الشيطان اعمالهم فهو وليهم اليوم ولهم عذاب اليم
‏21:57 وتالله لاكيدن اصنامكم بعد ان تولوا مدبرين
‏26:97 تالله ان كنا لفي ضلال مبين
‏37:56 قال تالله ان كدت لتردين

You are number manipulators and as it stands until proven otherwise:

OK since the search program mistakenly tagged allahwi in 62:11...

As it stands and until proven otherwise; total count of "Allah" in Quran:

2820 - 112 chapter titles not counted (another contradiction) = 2708

6:39, 62:11, 77:31, & 92:12 (not applicable) = - 4

2708 - 4 = 2704!

In addition, you exclude Allahumma and include Allahu thumma shows your inconsistency, hipocracy and manipulation by deletion to get 19 likewise with BiSMi Allahi.
 
‏‏46:13 ان الذين قالوا ربنا الله ثم استقاموا فلا خوف عليهم ولا هم يحزنون
Indeed! Those who say, “God is our Lord” and then stand firm shall have nothing to fear. Nor will they ever grieve.


‏9:129 فان تولوا فقل حسبي الله لااله الا هو عليه توكلت وهو رب العرش العظيم

Yet, if they turn away, say, “Allah is enough for me. There is no god but He. In Him do I place my trust. He is the Lord of the Mighty Throne!”

Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: ayman on January 05, 2009, 11:28:20 PM
Peace Ahmad,

First of all, I was joking about the 6:3 deletion. If you look through Rashad's count, he counts 6:3 as a definate occurrance of the word "Allah", which it is. I wanted to see Holiday's reaction to the claim... On the issue of the word "allah" being used as a common noun, in 6:3 it is not a common noun. Common nouns are in the other occurrances that I mentioned, which specifically say "your god", "our god", and "my god". This is not using "Allah" as a proper noun since, as you know, there's no grammatically correct way to say "my allah" or "your allah". Therefore, these instances are not counted...

There is equally no grammatical or logical way to say "he is Allah in the heavens and the earth". In 6:3 (and in fact in all the great reading), the word "allah is a common noun.

You haven't shown any instances where it means "only". In context, it means but/except, but when I considered the actual meaning of it in a textbook, it said the singular preposition means "to". So, I guess we were both wrong...  ::) Anyway, I have no obsession with 19. I just view it as a sign of God and a protection of His message...

Speak for yourself. We are not both wrong.

"ma ahad ghaltan illa Ahmad"


ما أحد غلطان إلا أحمد


No one is wrong but Ahmad
Only Ahmad is wrong
No one is wrong except Ahmad

All mean the same thing and in none of them "illa" means "to" or can mean "to" and you can't provide a single example where "illa" can mean "to".

You are sure as obsessed with this temptation/"fitna" as 74:31 predicted. You are so obsessed that you even lie and claim that you were joking when you are caught in your contradictions.

Peace,

Ayman
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Ahmad Bilal on January 06, 2009, 07:46:43 AM
Peace Ayman,

There is equally no grammatical or logical way to say "he is Allah in the heavens and the earth". In 6:3 (and in fact in all the great reading), the word "allah is a common noun.

How is saying "He is Allah in the heavens and the earth" not grammatically accurate? It's not different than saying "you are Ayman on the Free-Minds forum"...  ::) Although the roots of the word "allah" can be based on the common phrase "al-ilah", the title "Allah" can also be used as a proper noun because it is a direct and proper title of God. It's just like when people write "alrahman" as "Al-Rahman" - since it is used as a direct and proper title of God ALONE, it can be used as a proper noun, even though it's roots are common...

Speak for yourself. We are not both wrong.

"ma ahad ghaltan illa Ahmad"


ما أحد غلطان إلا أحمد


No one is wrong but Ahmad
Only Ahmad is wrong
No one is wrong except Ahmad

All mean the same thing and in none of them "illa" means "to" or can mean "to" and you can't provide a single example where "illa" can mean "to".

 :rotfl: Don't be foolish and arrogant, Ayman. In this statement, the word "illa" does not mean only, it means except. You can interpret it to mean "only this, only that", but that's not what the word means, and that's not an accurate translation of it. Please stop promoting falsehoods. The word "illa" does not mean "only"; so your statement on the matter is WRONG!  ::)

Peace,

Ahmad
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: ayman on January 06, 2009, 12:12:44 PM
Peace Ahmad,

How is saying "He is Allah in the heavens and the earth" not grammatically accurate? It's not different than saying "you are Ayman on the Free-Minds forum"...  ::) Although the roots of the word "allah" can be based on the common phrase "al-ilah", the title "Allah" can also be used as a proper noun because it is a direct and proper title of God. It's just like when people write "alrahman" as "Al-Rahman" - since it is used as a direct and proper title of God ALONE, it can be used as a proper noun, even though it's roots are common...

Saying "you are Ayman on the Free-Minds forum" is like saying "you are Ahmed of the house". It is nonsense that doesn't convey any meaningful info other than a proper name. On the other hand, "you are the moderator on the Free-Minds forum" and "you are the man of the house" convey meaningful info. Nowadays we are used to hearing about user names on internet forums so "you are Ayman on the Free-Minds forum" doesn't sound ungrammatical. However, in reality it is ungrammatical. Thus, before the Internet age saying "you are Ayman on the Free-Minds forum" would have sounded just as ungrammatical as saying "you are Ahmed of the house" and "he is Allah in the heavens and the earth".

:rotfl: Don't be foolish and arrogant, Ayman. In this statement, the word "illa" does not mean only, it means except. You can interpret it to mean "only this, only that", but that's not what the word means, and that's not an accurate translation of it. Please stop promoting falsehoods. The word "illa" does not mean "only"; so your statement on the matter is WRONG!  ::)

Whether you like it or not, no one except you is wrong and only you are wrong. You are demonstrating nothing except that (or you are only demonstrating that) you are ignorant in plain English as much as you are ignorant in Arabic.

You are creating this diversion with all the useless mocking and mindless arguments and pretending to be joking when you are caught to divert attention from the signs of the god indisputably saying that "the count of 19 is nothing except a temptation for the unappreciative", not a sign, not a miracle, not a code.

Peace,

Ayman
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Ahmad Bilal on January 06, 2009, 05:51:11 PM
Peace Ayman,

Saying "you are Ayman on the Free-Minds forum" is like saying "you are Ahmed of the house". It is nonsense that doesn't convey any meaningful info other than a proper name. On the other hand, "you are the moderator on the Free-Minds forum" and "you are the man of the house" convey meaningful info. Nowadays we are used to hearing about user names on internet forums so "you are Ayman on the Free-Minds forum" doesn't sound ungrammatical. However, in reality it is ungrammatical. Thus, before the Internet age saying "you are Ayman on the Free-Minds forum" would have sounded just as ungrammatical as saying "you are Ahmed of the house" and "he is Allah in the heavens and the earth".

I guess that's your view... But saying "He is Allah in the heavens and the earth" is not ungrammatical, just like saying "he is Ayman of the Free-Minds forum" is not ungrammatical. Saying "the god" makes sense, but it conveys the idea of a common and descriptive noun. It leads to the question "what god?" The title "Allah" answers this question because it is used to refer to the one, only-true god. That's why I said it can be used as a proper noun, even though the root of it is common. Using the word "Allah" in Arabic is the same as using the word "God" with a capital 'G' - they are common nouns turned into proper names based on the context.

Whether you like it or not, no one except you is wrong and only you are wrong. You are demonstrating nothing except that (or you are only demonstrating that) you are ignorant in plain English as much as you are ignorant in Arabic.

No, right now, you are the only one who is wrong. You are using implications to fit the definition. No matter how you look at it, the Arabic word "illa" does not mean "only", NOT NOW AND NOT EVER. Just because you think that it means or implies the same thing doesn't mean that's what it says. If you think this is the exact same thing, then you're the one who needs English and Arabic lessons, not me...  ::)

You are creating this diversion with all the useless mocking and mindless arguments and pretending to be joking when you are caught to divert attention from the signs of the god indisputably saying that "the count of 19 is nothing except a temptation for the unappreciative", not a sign, not a miracle, not a code.

C'mon, Ayman. Why would I have to pretend that I was joking?  :-\ You already saw the evidences of the count of the word "Allah" in the Qur'an, and I told you that if you don't believe it, you should open the Arabic Qur'an and count the words yourself... Also, the Qur'an is a sign from God, and the code 19 concept is part of the Qur'an, making it also a "sign". Plain and simple. Your repeated statements that it is "nothing except a temptation for the unappreciative" is grossly incorrect... If you wish to conclude that the code 19 concept is ONLY a "fitna", then you need to redefine what you consider a "fitna"...

Peace,

Ahmad
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Pseudo on January 24, 2009, 12:07:51 PM
Playing with numbers.

Besides 5 Allahumma (our God) no count 112 Allah in chapter titles, because no / 19.





Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Mazhar on February 15, 2009, 02:21:34 AM
This thread reminds me the words of regret of some people:

وَكُنَّا نَخُوضُ مَعَ الْخَائِضِينَ

The link given has omitted to count Allah mentioned in 9:15. See his Sr. No. 1120 showing 9:15 only one and then his Sr. No. 1121 shows 9:16. The exact account of Allah including 9:129 is 2699 but at one place it is NOT used from the Allah, the Sustainer Lord of Universes but some stupid people from amongst Cristian had declared that Easa alahissalm is allah.So genuine Allah has only 2698 occurrences including 9:129. Since RK was a Munfiq, he did not count that Allah in Whom the Last Messenger had all the hopes and preferred to believe in what some who refused the True Sustainer Lord of Universes and instead preferred to make Easa alahissalam as their allah.


    لَّقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَآلُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ هُوَ
الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ                 
RK. “Pagans are those who say God is the Messiah, the son of Marry”.[5:17]

Yusaf Ali:In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary.
PICKTHAL: They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary.
SHAKIR: Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely, Allah-- He is the Messiah, son of Marium.

Certainly they have refused {the original Allah} who said. “Indeed he the Messiah son of Maryam is allah”

Here people of have declared that Messiah, the son of Maryam is allah.
Therefore it is not referring to Allah the Muslims believe, and is not to be counted as the original and genuine word Allah, which is used for the Sustainer Lord of the Universes who Muslims consider the sufficient.

I hope moderators would like to take it out from sticky area.
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Ahmad Bilal on February 15, 2009, 02:43:50 PM
Playing with numbers.

Besides 5 Allahumma (our God) no count 112 Allah in chapter titles, because no / 19.

The concept of the word "Allah" is the usage of the word as a proper noun. Now, if you use the word "allahuma", this word is not a proper noun, and it can't be written as "our GOD" - this is grammatically incorrect. You can't use a possessive form with the Arabic word "Allah", and you can't say "my Allah" or "our Allah" - it doesn't make sense. Therefore, these occurrances of the words "our god" and "my god" are excluded... Unless you can show me a grammatically correct way to say "my allah"...  :laugh:
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Pseudo on February 15, 2009, 06:56:45 PM
The concept of the word "Allah" is the usage of the word as a proper noun. Now, if you use the word "allahuma", this word is not a proper noun, and it can't be written as "our GOD" - this is grammatically incorrect. You can't use a possessive form with the Arabic word "Allah", and you can't say "my Allah" or "our Allah" - it doesn't make sense. Therefore, these occurrances of the words "our god" and "my god" are excluded... Unless you can show me a grammatically correct way to say "my allah"...  :laugh:

Phrases:

Qala AAeesa ibnu maryama Allahumma
5:114 Said Jesus son of Mary: "O Allah

TaAllahi in kunna lafee dalalin mubeenin
26:97 By Allah, that truly we were in clear/evident misguidance.

http://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/appendices/appendix24.html

Quote
[12] The Quran contains 6234 numbered verses and 112 un-numbered verses (Basmalahs). Thus, the total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, 19x334. The false Verses 9:128-129 violate this important criterion of the Quran's code.

112 verses not counted, although counted in manipulation above to deceive.
   
25:43-44 Have you seen him who has taken as his ilâh (god) his own vain desire? Would you then be a watcher over him? Or you think that most of them listen or comprehend, that they are except as the cattle, but they are more misguided (in) a way/path.




Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Ahmad Bilal on February 15, 2009, 08:15:21 PM
Peace Pseudo,

Qala AAeesa ibnu maryama Allahumma
5:114 Said Jesus son of Mary: "O Allah..."

The word "allahuma" is in a possessive form, and it means "our god". Yours is a mistranslation.

TaAllahi in kunna lafee dalalin mubeenin
26:97 By Allah, that truly we were in clear/evident misguidance.

The words "ta'allah" means "by God", in which the word "Allah" is used as a proper noun. It's not the same as the previous case with "allahuma".

112 verses not counted, although counted in manipulation above to deceive.

In the modern rendition of the Qur'aan, the Basmallahs are not counted as separate passages. This is clearly illustrated in nearly EVERY Qur'aanic translation. In determining the count of the word "Allah" throughout the Qur'aan, however, Rashad Khalifa counted all of the occurances throughout the entire scripture. This included the numbered and unnumbered passages.

Peace,

Ahmad
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Pseudo on February 15, 2009, 09:50:40 PM
Peace Ahmad,

The word "allahuma" is in a possessive form, and it means "our god". Yours is a mistranslation.

The words "ta'allah" means "by God", in which the word "Allah" is used as a proper noun. It's not the same as the previous case with "allahuma".

our       
adj.   The possessive form of we.
Used as a modifier before a noun as in: our house or our God.

God    
–noun
1. the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.

modern translators:
http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=5&vid=114

Literal: Jesus, Mary's son said: "Oh God, our Lord
Yusuf Ali: Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O Allah our Lord!
Pickthal: Jesus, son of Mary, said: O Allah, Lord of us!
Arberry: Said Jesus son of Mary, 'O God, our Lord
Shakir: Isa the son of Marium said: O Allah, our Lord!


In the modern rendition of the Qur'aan, the Basmallahs are not counted as separate passages. This is clearly illustrated in nearly EVERY Qur'aanic translation. In determining the count of the word "Allah" throughout the Qur'aan, however, Rashad Khalifa counted all of the occurances throughout the entire scripture. This included the numbered and unnumbered passages.

Check before blindly following and posting:

1:1 was counted

2:1 to 114:1 (112) were NOT counted

112 were counted ONLY when favorable as in case with #of verses:
http://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/appendices/appendix24.html

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[12] The Quran contains 6234 numbered verses and 112 un-numbered verses (Basmalahs). Thus, the total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, 19x334. The false Verses 9:128-129 violate this important criterion of the Quran's code.

Peace




Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Ahmad Bilal on February 16, 2009, 09:19:56 AM
Peace Pseudo,

our       
adj.   The possessive form of we.
Used as a modifier before a noun as in: our house or our God.

God    
–noun
1. the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.

modern translators:
http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=5&vid=114

Literal: Jesus, Mary's son said: "Oh God, our Lord
Yusuf Ali: Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O Allah our Lord!
Pickthal: Jesus, son of Mary, said: O Allah, Lord of us!
Arberry: Said Jesus son of Mary, 'O God, our Lord
Shakir: Isa the son of Marium said: O Allah, our Lord!

Again, the counts of the word "allah" were relayed in the instances where "Allah" can be used as a proper noun. Saying "our god" is not using the word as a proper noun, it is a common noun. Grammatically speaking, there is no possessive form of the name "Allah", or any other proper noun for that matter. Saying "our allah" is completely illogical.

Check before blindly following and posting:

1:1 was counted

2:1 to 114:1 (112) were NOT counted

112 were counted ONLY when favorable as in case with #of verses:
http://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/appendices/appendix24.html

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[12] The Quran contains 6234 numbered verses and 112 un-numbered verses (Basmalahs). Thus, the total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, 19x334. The false Verses 9:128-129 violate this important criterion of the Quran's code.

First of all, I don't blindly follow anything...

In his investigation, Rashad equated the TOTAL number of Qur'aanic verses. He even explains this as being both the numbered and unnumbered verses (see Number 12). It was the same format he used in determining the counts regarding the initialed and un-initialed verses throughout the scripture... But I guess you didn't consider this obvious idea...

Obviously you haven't done this either, so I suggest you open a translation of the Qur'aan as soon as possible. In nearly every modern translation you find, the Basmallah in 1:1 is COUNTED, while all the others (at the openings) are NOT COUNTED. That means that, in modern translations, all of the Basmallahs from chapter 2 to chapter 114 (excluding chapter 9, which has no Basmallah at it's opening) are NOT NUMBERED... But hey, don't take my word for it, go look it up... When counting the numbered Basmallahs, Rashad Khalifa did just that - HE COUNTED THE NUMBERED ONES! In today's rendition of the Qur'aan, there are 2 numbered Basmallahs and 112 unnumbered ones, making the total come up to 114, the same number of accepted chapters in the scripture.

Check before blindly following and posting...  :laugh:

Peace,

Ahmad
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Mazhar on February 16, 2009, 09:45:40 AM
Quote
That means that, in modern translations, all of the Basmallahs from chapter 2 to chapter 114 (excluding chapter 9, which has no Basmallah at it's opening) are NOT NUMBERED... But hey, don't take my word for it, go look it up... When counting the numbered Basmallahs, Rashad Khalifa did just that - HE COUNTED THE NUMBERED ONES!

But mathematics is not something that follows/runs in pursuit of the traditions. When chapters are 113 why not unnumbered Bismillah be 113 or should be considered as none if we are doing it mathematically.
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Ahmad Bilal on February 16, 2009, 10:47:36 AM
But mathematics is not something that follows/runs in pursuit of the traditions. When chapters are 113 why not unnumbered Bismillah be 113 or should be considered as none if we are doing it mathematically.

Because Rashad Khalifa's research was done regarding the present copies of the Qur'aan. This includes the oldest copies as well as modern translations. They have 114 chapters and 112 unnumbered Basmallahs, numbering the ones in chapter 1 and in chapter 27 (not at the onset). Therefore, since this was the way it was structured back then, Rashad chose to use the same format in his calculations.
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Mazhar on February 16, 2009, 11:16:12 AM
Quote
Because Rashad Khalifa's research was done regarding the present copies of the Qur'aan.

In printed copies, Bismillah without a number is written for the convenience of ordinary Muslim readers who are not aware of all the facts and nicities. RK knew the facts that Bismillah is NOT the original beggining text of 113 chapters. It was, on the strength of a conjectural tradition that people were told to read Bismillah in the beginning and not to read it on chapter 9. A mathematician follows the facts, not traditions and understandings of ordinary people. Only a cheat mathematician would accept tradition and that too only when it suits him. Why not to accept that in the original text, which is accepted by all, there is only one Ayah of Bismillah and all its words are also part of another Ayah of Grand Quran.
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Pseudo on February 16, 2009, 12:42:50 PM
In his investigation, Rashad equated the TOTAL number of Qur'aanic verses. He even explains this as being both the numbered and unnumbered verses (see Number 12). It was the same format he used in determining the counts regarding the initialed and un-initialed verses throughout the scripture... But I guess you didn't consider this obvious idea...

It is obvious except to the naive that what he did was manipulate:

false premise desired output = selective data inconsistent input

1:1 is COUNTED, while all the others (at the openings) are NOT COUNTED.
 NOT NUMBERED...
 HE COUNTED THE NUMBERED ONES!

Only a cheat mathematician would accept tradition and that too only when it suits him. Why not to accept that in the original text, which is accepted by all, there is only one Ayah of Bismillah and all its words are also part of another Ayah of Grand Quran.

Exactly, although would not insult mathematicians by association.

25:43-44 Have you seen him who has taken as his ilâh (god) his own vain desire? Would you then be a watcher over him? Or you think that most of them listen or comprehend, that they are except as the cattle, but they are more misguided (in) a way/path.

Peace




Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Ahmad Bilal on February 16, 2009, 05:04:36 PM
In printed copies, Bismillah without a number is written for the convenience of ordinary Muslim readers who are not aware of all the facts and nicities. RK knew the facts that Bismillah is NOT the original beggining text of 113 chapters. It was, on the strength of a conjectural tradition that people were told to read Bismillah in the beginning and not to read it on chapter 9. A mathematician follows the facts, not traditions and understandings of ordinary people. Only a cheat mathematician would accept tradition and that too only when it suits him. Why not to accept that in the original text, which is accepted by all, there is only one Ayah of Bismillah and all its words are also part of another Ayah of Grand Quran.

Please tell me you're joking, dude...  :-\ The Qur'aan doesn't say anywhere that we must read or recite "bismallah alrahman alraheem" before each chapter. This is your own fabrication... In the oldest copies of the Qur'aan, the Basmallah occurs at the onset of 113 chapters (excluding chapter 9), which is why some scholars have considered the Reading as only having 113 chapters, not 114. Also, the first Basmallah (1:1) is always numbered, because it's considered the essence of the scripture, while the other ones (except for in chapter 27) are not numbered due to their being at the onset of the chapters. And, in all of them, the Basmallah at the onset of chapter 9 is "missing". This is accepted by all. Who do you know who's said that there is only one Basmallah in the entire Qur'aan?! This is absurd, and you're trying to fabricate ridiculous reasoning to prove your outrageous view...

It is already well-established that the Qur'aan has 114 chapters, and it has 112 unnumbered Basmallahs (not counting the one in 1:1 and in chapter 9) and 2 numbered ones (in 1:1 and 27:30). This is not even disputable... If you believe it is, then please post a link or something where we can all verify your conclusion.

Peace,

Ahmad
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Mazhar on February 17, 2009, 09:20:35 AM
Please tell me you're joking, dude...  :-\ The Qur'aan doesn't say anywhere that we must read or recite "bismallah alrahman alraheem" before each chapter. This is your own fabrication... In the oldest copies of the Qur'aan, the Basmallah occurs at the onset of 113 chapters (excluding chapter 9), which is why some scholars have considered the Reading as only having 113 chapters, not 114. Also, the first Basmallah (1:1) is always numbered, because it's considered the essence of the scripture, while the other ones (except for in chapter 27) are not numbered due to their being at the onset of the chapters. And, in all of them, the Basmallah at the onset of chapter 9 is "missing". This is accepted by all. Who do you know who's said that there is only one Basmallah in the entire Qur'aan?! This is absurd, and you're trying to fabricate ridiculous reasoning to prove your outrageous view...

It is already well-established that the Qur'aan has 114 chapters, and it has 112 unnumbered Basmallahs (not counting the one in 1:1 and in chapter 9) and 2 numbered ones (in 1:1 and 27:30). This is not even disputable... If you believe it is, then please post a link or something where we can all verify your conclusion.

Peace,

Ahmad

Where did I say the highlighted thing. What I said was in the beginning. When you start reading the Quran from wherever, start reading with the Name of your Sustainer Lord, to comply with the instruction in 96:01
RK: "Read, in the name of your Lord, who created". [96:01]

There have always been two points of view, one holding that Bismillah is also the part of 113 chapters, but they maintain it should not be read in the beginning of chapter 9 because of birat [they think as if Allah ceases to be Al Raheem by this proclamation, Allah forbid], while the other say it is only the numbered Ayah 1 of first chapter. As regards its presence in almost all the printed copies, without assigning a number to it, that is for the convenience of general muslim public. But not assigning it a number in any printed copy does reflect the inner belief of everyone that it is NOT formal part of the Original Text of Quran. There is no point and logic in it that some should be numbered and some not if all were ever considered by anyone to be originally part of Quran.
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Meteora on July 01, 2009, 10:03:39 AM
http://www.mostmerciful.com/miracle-or-deceit.htm

A MIRACLE 
WITHIN THE MIRACLES
OR
ONE MORE DECEIT 
WITHIN THE DECEITS?
A "19er" tries to defend Rashad's
"Deceit #1" with one more Deceit

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A Critic to my original article: 'Rashad DELETES **TWO Verses 9: 128/129** and yet the count remains the same' URLhttp://www.mostmerciful.com/deceit-one.htm
resorts to one more DECEIT in his defense
Under Message Number 35 posted on 4/21/01 at 
Yahoo's Club http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/debateover19
A Place to Discuss Rashad Khalifa and "19" theory, 
the Critic ( a "19er" ), using Yahoo Club Member's I.D. "metekural" wrote to another Yahoo Club Member I.D. "haleem1955" as under: 



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   In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
   Thanks for your responses to my question about the miracle initials.
   Now, I would like to continue this thread of the debate by responding
   to the claims made at http://mostmerciful.com/deceit-one.htm
   exposed by Haleem... (unrelated text is deleted)

   Now I'll continue with my responses to the unaltered count issue.
 Here 
   is actually what happened, which is itself miraculous, and you can see
   the beautiful scheme of the Almighty. When Dr. Khalifa's first
   translation was printed, he had the count of the word "Allah" in the
   Quran listed as 2698 = 19x142. This was based on the famous and
   trusted Quranic index of Abdulbaki or whatever his name from Egypt.
   Even today, if you look at that index, it has that number. Now, listen
   carefully. When you count "Allah"s, you do not include the ones in
   Basmalah's, because they are at the beginning of Suras and are
   "unnumbered" Ayats. But there is "one" exception. The Basmalah in
   Al-Fatihah is numbered as verse 1 of the sura, so it is part of the Sura,
   and it has to be counted. If the author of the index observed this rule,
   he would have come up with 2699 "Allah"s. But it was God's will that
   he did not, and Dr. Khalifa simply went along with this count assuming
   it was correct without actually counting them himself. So he did not
   count "Allah"s himself in the first publication and took Abdulbaki's
   for granted.

   By the time later edition came, he had the knowledge of two false
   verses. Incidentally, there is one occurrence of God in these verses.
   So
   if you take that one out, the count goes to 2697, but then you add the
   Allah in the Basmalah of Al-Fatihah, it goes back to 2698. This is
   God's beauty. It plays a dual role. For a rejecter, it will be a trap to
   make fun and satisfy himself that people are manipulating numbers to
   make a miracle. For a believer though, it's a miracle within a miracle.
   This type of things are hard to express to the kind of people out there
   ready to make fun of you, and have no intention to listen to you. Ask
   them a simple question how many letters in the Basmalah. How many
   suras in the Quran? That will expose them.

   Now, it's your turn, the other side.

   May God be with you.

   Mete Kural 



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My Response to Critic Mete Kural:
    The above posted criticism was e-mailed to me by Brother Haleem 
<Haleem1955@aol.com>.  My response through Haleem posted at Yahoo's Club http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/debateover19
under Message No. 109 of 4/24/01 reads:

   As salaam alaikum:

   Please ask this Critic Mete Kural, if he was the follower of Rashad
   Khalifa when he had published his first publication?

   Has he himself heard this unusual story from Rashad Khalifa?

   Has this story been recorded by Rashad in any of his publication?

   OR IS THIS A CONCOCTED STORY BY ONE OF HIS
   FOLLOWER???

   If the Critic had attended the lectures of Rashad in those days when
   he had just removed the two verse from the Qur'an, he would have
   HEARD the Truth.

   Rashad was a computer expert by profession 
   and had himself entered each and every 
   alphabet and word of the Quran in his own computer.
   He had produced the results on his Personal Computer. 

   This was his often repeated claim. 

   Not only that but I, Akbarally Meherally, have heard Rashad in
   Vancouver, BC with my own ears defending the difference between the earlier count and the later by claiming that his Personal Computer was Divinely Guided and as such it was the Divine Error made by the Computer, for the first time.

   If one has doubts about the above response, I am 
   producing below the written and documented proof from the Rashad's
   own publication that NONE CAN DENY...

   It clearly indicates that he had counted each and
   every word ("ALLAH" in this case) physically, as well.
   AND, he had not borrowed the counts from any other book or
   individual.... 

   This is in the year 1982...

   In 1981 Rashad published his first Qur'an with the Golden Cover.
   He had not deleted the two verses 128-129 of Surah At-Tawbah (9).

   In 1982 he published a book 'Qur'an: Visual Presentation of the
   Miracle' In this publication he gave the LIST OF ALL THE
   CHAPTERS AND ALL THE VERSES containing "Allah" in the
   Qur'an. 

   On page 30 of this book he had mentioned:

   <Chapter One and Verse Number One as Count Number 1.>

   <Chapter One and Verse Number Two as Count Number 2.>

   On page 43 of this book he had mentioned 

   <One Allah instead of Two for Verse 15 of Chapter 9>

   On page 45 of this book he had mentioned

   <One Allah in Verse 129 (which he later deleted) of Chapter 9>

   I HAVE A COPY OF THIS BOOK (1982) IN MY LIBRARY AND
   ALSO THE QURAN PUBLISHED IN 1981!

   . . . I hope to hear from Mete Kural....

   Was salaam

   Akbarally Meherally 



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METE KURAL RESPONDS:
Under Message Numbers 274 and 275 posted on 5/3/01 at 
Yahoo's Club http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/debateover19
under the heading: This Club's Debate Gets Publicity!

In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

   Here's the reply to that post by Meherally, Haleem.

   Under Message Number 35 posted on 4/21/01 at 2:27 at Yahoo's Club
   http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/debateover19 A Place to Discuss Rashad Khalifa and "19"  theory, the Critic ( a "19er" ), using Yahoo Club Member's I.D. "metekural" wrote to another Yahoo Club Member I.D. "haleem1955" as under: .......(unrelated text is deleted) 

   << Here is actually what happened, which is itself miraculous, and you can see the beautiful scheme of the Almighty. When Dr. Khalifa's first translation was printed, he had the count of the word "Allah" in the Quran listed as 2698 = 19x142. This was based on the famous and
trusted Quranic index of Abdulbaki or whatever his name from Egypt. Even today, if you look at that index, it has that number. ...........If the author of the index observed this rule, he would have come up with 2699 "Allah"s. But it was God's will that he did not, >>> 

   NO ONE can deny that it was God's will that the count of the word GOD (Allah) in the Quran as counted in the most famous index of the Quran and befoe Dr. Khalifa ever appeared in the picture would be 2698 = 19 X 142 

   No ONE corrected this number all the years this book (index of the Quran) was published, another will of God Almighty. 

   Mr Abdul Baqi, had no interest in the 19 and never heard of it, God did not want him to know about it and he did not. But God insisted that Abdul Baqi, despite his error will come up with the right number of God, ALLAH in the Quran. 

   <> 

   This may have been a misquote. Dr Khalifa counted the word GOD, Allah, also in the Quran and found them to be 2698 = 19 X 142 and found that his count agrees with that of the famous index of the Quran. This agreement in the count did not raise any suspicion in him. 

   It was God's will that Abdul Baqi count God, Allah, as 2698 = 19 X 142 and aslo for Dr.  Khalifa to count the same number although both made a different mistake. 

   The FINAL result was that GOD INSISTED that the count of the word GOD, ALLAH in the Quran, stays correct irrespective of the human errors by either men. 

   Neither Mr Abdul Baqi nor Dr. Kahlifa meant to deceive, but it was rather God's Almighty forcing the right number on both, 2698 = 19X142. 

   << By the time later edition came, he had the knowledge of two false verses. Incidentally, there is one occurrence of God in these verses. >> 

   By re-counting, Dr. Khalifa corrected his mistake and removed the extra word God, Allah, from the false verse 129 in sura 9, and the total count did not change , AS GOD WANTS IT. 2698 = 19X142. 

   Again GOD INSISTED. The rejectors hates it. 

   Again God is forcing the right numbers, 2698, 19 X 142, despite what the disbelievers wish to happen. 

   Had Dr. Khalifa had any intentions of deceit he would not have published his count publicly, but he did it rather to share his results with the world, assuring them of what he did and what took place. It was God's plan, so a rejector will be trapped, make fun of it and satisfy
   himself that Dr. Khalifa is manipulating numbers to make a miracle. For a believer though, it's a miracle within a miracle. 

  ( continued in the next post ) 

   After all, look at the GREATEST miracle of all, that these rejectors cannot see or appreciate, the final total of the verse numbers wherever the word "GOD" Allah, occurs, is 118123 = 19 X 6217. NOT another co-incidence 

   Did Dr. Khalifa also manipulate all these verses in the Quran that has the word God in it to become a multiple of 19. Did Dr. Khalifa deceive God and put His name in these verses that will add at the end of 114 chapers to 118123 (19X6217). 

   The deceit is that of the rejectors they deceive their own souls. 
   ___________________________________________________ 
   << Not only that but I, Akbarally Meherally, have heard Rashad in Vancouver, BC with my own ears defending the difference between the earlier count and the later by claiming that his Personal Computer was Divinely Guided and as such it was the Divine Error made by the
Computer, for the first time. >> 

   Of course , every thing is according to God's plan. The earlier count is EQUAL to the later count , 2698 = 19X142. No one fooled God to prodcue these resulta but rather it was God seeing to it that the CORRECT word of God is produced despite any human error. 

   I would understand your upset if Dr. Khalifa got five or six words of Allah wrong, not finding the SAME COUNT, earlier and later. 

   << In 1982 Dr. Khalifa published a book 'Qur'an: Visual Presentation of the Miracle' in it On page 43 of this book he had mentioned On page 45 of this book he had mentioned >> 

   Both Abdul Baqi and Dr. Khalifa made a mistake ( not a deceit) and BOTH produced the CORRECT number of GOD, ALLAH, in their FINAL count, by God's leave, not by their choice. 

   This CORRECT number has been proven by the divisibility of the total of the verse nubmer where the word GOD, occur also by X 19. 

   We see it as a miracle , you see it as nothing. So did pharoah when he looked at the Great miracle of Moses. We do not see the same result, God decides who would see a miracle and who would see trash. 

   [2:118] Those who possess no knowledge say, "If only GOD could speak to us, or some miracle could come to us!" Others before them have uttered similar utterances; their minds are similar. We do manifest the miracles for those who have attained certainty. 

   "Indeed the book of the righteous will be in 'Elleyyeen. Do you know what 'Elleyyeen is? A NUMERICALLY STRUCTURED BOOK To be witnessed BY THOSE CLOSE TO ME. The righteous have deserved bliss." [83: 18-22] 

   << . . . I hope to hear from Mete Kural.... >> 

   You just did. 



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My Response to Mete Kural # 2:
"They follow nothing but Conjecture; and conjecture avails nothing against Truth"    Sura An-Najam - The Star (53) : verse 28

Here are the fundamental problems in admitting the arguments "Conjectures", presented by the "19er" Mete Kural in his defense:

Conjecture v/s Truth # 1: Kural's primary thrust of his argument is based upon an INDEX. He  writes; Rashad Khalifa "trusted Quranic index of Abdulbaki or whatever his name from Egypt". One can clearly visualize that Kural is not sure about the correct name of the author, the exact location in Egypt nor he has the proper name of that publication. I doubt if he has seen this unknown Index and the method of Counting. 
Whereas, I have presented all the details of Rashad's publication including the numbers of pages from which I have quoted Rashad.
Furthermore, I have copies of Rashad's publications in my library.

Conjecture v/s Truth # 2: On the subject of his narrative that Rashad had "trusted Quranic index of Abdulbaki" I asked him three questions:

1. "Has he himself heard this unusual story from Rashad Khalifa?"
2. "Has this story been recorded by Rashad in any of his publication?"
3. "OR IS THIS A CONCOCTED STORY BY ONE OF HIS
FOLLOWER???"

Mete Kural has swept these Questions under the carpet. One can clearly see that his story is nothing but a Conjecture. Whereas, I have named the place where I had personally heard Rashad making the claim that the counts came from his own computer. I can give names of the persons who were also present at that gathering in Vancouver. B.C. 

Conjecture v/s Truth # 3: Mete Kural writes: "Both Abdul Baqi and Dr. Khalifa made a mistake ( not a deceit) and BOTH produced the CORRECT number of GOD, ALLAH, in their FINAL count, by God's leave, not by their choice." Is that so? Where is  FINAL count or the CORRECTED INDEX of Abdul Baqi according to "God's leave"???
Finally, when and which angel of God did convey to Mete Kural that it was "God's leave" to mislead "Both Abdul Baqi and Dr. Khalifa"?
Whereas I have not taken the shelter of such CONJECTURES.

Deception v/s Truth  Mete Kural quotes verses of the Qur'an:

"Indeed the book of the righteous will be in 'Elleyyeen. Do you know what 'Elleyyeen is? A NUMERICALLY STRUCTURED BOOK To be witnessed BY THOSE CLOSE TO ME. The righteous have deserved bliss." 
[83: 18-22]
Below are the translations of the above verses by Yusuf Ali and by M. Pickthall. One can see the intended exploitation and the injection.
"Nay verily the Record of the Righteous is (preserved) in `Illiyin. And what will explain to thee what `Illiyin is? (There is) a Register (fully) inscribed. To which bear witness those 
Nearest (to Allah). Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss."
"Nay, but the record of the righteous is in Iliyin. Ah, what will convey unto thee what Iliyin is! A written record, Attested by those who are brought near (unto their Lord). Lo! the righteous verily are in delight."

God's Miracle within Miracles:
Was it also a "God's intended plan or God's leave" that Rashad should spell out just one isolated initial "nun", into "nun waw nun" in Sura 68; and also he should miscount the alphabet "lam" in Surah 30 Verse 21? 
For further details please surf: http://www.mostmerciful.com/deceit-two.htm 
http://www.mostmerciful.com/deceit-three.htm

Before I close, Kural wrote: "the final total of the verse numbers wherever the word "GOD" Allah, occurs, is 118123 = 19 X 6217."

Please give details of the available publication with ISBN number, wherein the entire list of all the verses is given and the total is matched.

I look forward to Mete Kural's response that appeals to logic.
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Bahman on September 30, 2009, 09:44:15 PM
http://www.mostmerciful.com/miracle-or-deceit.htm

.........

   Akbarally Meherally 
peace
Are you this person?

Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Noon de Plume on May 24, 2010, 08:03:22 PM

Simply download: http://tanzil.info/wiki/Download_Quran_Text

Copy/paste do a search for exactly الله which Word found 2555 items matching this criteria.

These are inapplicable:
62:11 اللهو
77:31 اللهب

8:32 اللهم allahumma refers to unbelievers calling out their god...

8:31-32
And when Our verses are recited on them, they said: "We had heard, and if want we would have said equal (to) that, that that (is) except the beginners' baseless stories."
And when they said: "our god (allahumma) if that was it, the truth from at you, so rain on us stones from the sky or bring to us with a painful torture."

Total Allah in Qur'an is 2552 = 88 x 29!

Peace
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Mazhar on May 30, 2010, 02:02:11 AM
Copy/paste do a search for exactly الله which Word found 2555 items matching this criteria.

These are inapplicable:
62:11 اللهو
77:31 اللهب

8:32 اللهم allahumma refers to unbelievers calling out their god...

8:31-32
And when Our verses are recited on them, they said: "We had heard, and if want we would have said equal (to) that, that that (is) except the beginners' baseless stories."
And when they said: "our god (allahumma) if that was it, the truth from at you, so rain on us stones from the sky or bring to us with a painful torture."

Total Allah in Qur'an is 2552 = 88 x 29!

This assumption too is incorrect.


الله

[In genitive case ending; Kasra at end]
(1)01:01(2)2:23(3)2:27(4)2:60(5)2:61(6)2:61(7)2:64(8)2:74(9)2:75(10)2:79(11)2:80(12)2:80(13)2:89(14)2:89(15)2:91(16)2:94 (17)2:97(18)2:101(19)2:101(20)2:102(21)2:103(22)2:107(23)2:110(24)2:114(25)2:115(26)2:120(27)2:120(28)2:138(29)2:138 (30)2:139 (31)2:140(32)2:154(33)2:158(34)2:161(35)2:165(36)2:165(37)2:169(38)2:173(39)2:187(40)2:190(41)2:195(42)2:207(43)2:210 (44)2:211 (45)2:214(46)2:214(47)2:217(48)2:217(49)2:218(50)2:218(51)2:229(52)2:229(53)2:229(54)2:229(55)2:230(56)2:230(57)2:231(58)2:231 (59)2:244(60)2:246(61)2:246(62)2:249(63)2:249(64)2:251(65)2:251(66)2:252(67)2:261(68)2:262(69)2:265(70)2:272(71)2:273 (72)2:275 (73)2:279(74)2:281(75)2:282
(76)3:04(77)3:10(78)3:13(79)3:15(80)3:19(81)3:19(82)3:21(83)3:23(84)3:28(85)3:28(86)3:37(87)3:39 (88)3:49(89)3:49(90)3:52(91)3:52(92)3:59(93)3:61(94)3:64(95)3:70(96)3:73(97)3:73(98)3:75(99)3:77(100)3:78(101)3:78(102)3:78 (103)3:79(104)3:83(105)3:87(106)3:94(107)3:98(108)3:99(109)3:101(110)3:103(111)3:103(112)3:107(113)3:108(114)3:109(115)3:112 (116)3:112(117)3:112(118)3:113(119)3:116(120)3:122(121)3:126(122)3:145(123)3:146(124)3:157(125)3:157(126)3:158(127)3:159 (128)3:159(129)3:160(130)3:162(131)3:162(132)3:163(133)3:166(134)3:167(135)3:169(136)3:171(137)3:174(138)3:174(139)2:195 (140)3:198  (141)3:198(142)3:199
(143)4:11(144)4:12(145)4:13(146)4:17(147)4:24(148)4:30(149)4:47(150)4:50(151)4:59(152)4:64 (153)4:70(154)4:73(155)4:74(156)4:74(157)4:75(158)4:76(159)4:77(160)4:78(161)4:78(162)4:79(163)4:81(164)4:82(165)4:83(166)4:84 (167)4:87(168)4:89(169)4:92(170)4:94(171)4:94(172)4:95(173)4:97(174)4:100(175)4:100(176)4:100(177)4:104(178)4:108(179)4:113 (180)4:113(181)4:114(182)4:119(183)4:119(184)4:122(185)4:122(186)4:123(187)4:134(188)4:140(189)4:141(190)4:150(191)4:155 (192)4:157(193)4:160(194)4:165(195)4:167(196)4:169(197)4:171(198)4:171(199)4:173
(200)5:02(201)5:03(202)5:04(203)5:07(204)5:11(205)5:11(206)5:15(207)5:17(208)5:18(209)5:20(210)5:23(211)5:38 (212)5:41(213)5:43 (214)5:44(215)5:48(216)5:50(217)5:54(218)5:54 (219)5:56(220)5:60(221)5:64(222)5:74(223)5:76 (224)5:91(225)5:103(226)3:105 (227)3:106(228)5:116
(229)6:14(230)6:19(231)6:21(232)6:23(233)6:31(234)6:33(235)6:34(236)6:40(237)6:40(238)6:46(239)6:47(240)6:50(241)6:56(242)6:62 (243)6:70(244)6:71(245)6:71 (246)6:80(247)6:88(248)6:93(249)6:93(250)6:108(251)6:109(252)6:114 (253)6:116(254)6:118(255) 6:119 (256)6:121(257)6:124(258)6:124 (259)6:136(260)6:138(261)6:140(262)6:144(263)6:145(264)6:152 (265)6:157(266)6:159(267)6:164
(268)7:26(269)7:28(270)7:30(271)7:32 (272)7:33(273)7:37(274)7:37(275)7:44(276)7:45(277)7:56(278)7:62(279)7:69(280)7:73 (281)7:73 (282)7:74(283)7:86(284)7:89(285)7:89 (286)7:99(287)7:99(288)7:105(289)7:131(290)7:140(291)7:158(292)7:169(293)7:187(294)7:194
(295)8:10(296)8:16(297)8:22(298)8:36 (299)4:44(300)8:47(301)8:49(302)8:52(303)8:55(304)8:60 (305)8:60(306)8:61(307)8:66(308)8:68 (309)8:72(310)8:74(311)8:75
(312)9:01 (313)9:02(314)9:03(315)9:03(316)9:06(317)9:07(318)9:09(319)9:16(320)9:17(321)9:18(322)9:19 (323)9:19(324)9:20 (325)9:20 (326)9:24 (327)9:30(328)9:30(329)9:31(330)9:32(331)9:34(332)9:34(333)9:36(334)9:36(335)9:38(336)9:40(337)9:41(338)9:48(339)9:51 (340)9:59 (341)9:60(342)9:60(343)9:61(344)9:72(345)9:81(346)9:81(347)9:99(348)9:106(349)9:109 (350)9:111(351)9:111(352)9:112 (353)9:116 (354)9:118(355)9:120(356)9:120
(357)10:04(358)10:17(359)10:18(360)10:18(361)10:27(362)10:30(363)10:37(364)10:38(365)10:45 (366)10:55(367)10:58(368)10:59(369)10:60(370)10:62(371)10:64(372)10:66(373)10:68(374)10:69(375)10:71(376)10:71(377)10:72 (378)10:85(379)10:95(380)10:100(381)10:104(382)10:106
(383)11:04(384)11:06(385)11:13(386)11:14(387)11:18(388)11:18(389)11:19 (390)11:20(391)11:29(392)11:30(393)11:31 (394)11:41(395) 11:43(396)11:56(397)11:63(398)11:64(399)11:64(400)11:73(401)11:73 (402)11:86(403)11:92(404)11:101(405)11:113
(406)12:23(407)12:38(408)12:66(409)12:67(410)12:68(411)12:79(412)12:80(413)12:86 (414)12:86(415)12:87(416)12:87(417)12:96 (418)12:107(419)12:108(420)12:108
(421)13:11(422)13:13(423)13:20(424)13:25(425)13:28 (426)13:28(427)13:31(428)13:34(429)13:37(430)13:38
(431)14:02(432)14:03(433)14:05(434)14:06(435)14:10(436)14:11(437)14:11 (438)14:12(439)14:12(440)14:20(441)14:21(442)14:28 (443)14:34(444)14:38(445)14:46
(446)15:96
(447)16:01(448)16:09(449)16:18 (450)16:20(451)16:41(452)16:52(453)16:53(454)16:71(455)16:72(456)16:73 (457)16:83(458)16:87(459) 16:88(460)16:91(461)16:94 (462)16:95(463)16:95(464)16:96(465)16:104(466)16:105(467)16:106 (468)16:112(469)16:114(470)16:115(471) 16:116(472)16:116
 (473)17:22(474)17:39
(475)18:15(476)18:17(477)18:21(478)18:43
(479)19:30(480)19:48(481)19:49(482)19:81
(483)20:61
(484)21:22 (485)21:66(486)21:67(487)21:98 (488)22:02(489)22:03(490)22:08(491)22:09(492)22:12(493)22:25(494)22:28(495)22:30(496)22:32 (497)22:34(498)22:36(499)22:36 (500)22:40(501)22:40(502)22:58(503)22:70(504)22:71(505)22:73(506)22:76(507)22:78
(508)23:38 (509)23:91(510)23:117 (511)24:02(512)24:07(513)24:09(514)24:10(515)24:13(516)24:14(517)24:15(518)24:20(519)24:21(520)24:22(521)24:31(522)24:33 (523)24:37(524)24:42(525)24:48(526)24:51(527)24:61
(528)25:17(529)25:55(530)25:68(531)25:71
(532)26:93 (533)26:213 (534)27:08(535)27:24(536)27:30(537)27:43(538)27:47(539)27:60(540)27:61(541)27:62(542)27:63(543)27:64(544)27:79(545)27:88 (546)28:13(547)28:49(548)28:50(549)28:60(550)28:68(551)28:71(552)28:72(553)28:80(554)28:81(555)28:87(556)28:88 (557)29:05(558)29:05(559)29:10(560)29:10(561)29:17(562)29:17(563)29:17(564)29:19(565)29:22(566)29:23(567)29:25(568)29:29 (569)29:41(570)29:45(571)29:50(572)29:67(573)29:68(574)30:05(575)30:06(576)30:10(577)30:17(578)30:30(579)30:30(580)30:38 (581)30:39(582)30:39(583)30:43(584)30:50(585)30:56(586)30:60(587)31:06(588)31:09(589)31:11(590)31:20(591)31:22(592)31:22 (593)31:27(594)31:31(595)31:33
(596)33:03(597)33:05(598)33:06(599)33:09(600)33:15(601)33:17(602)33:17(603)33:19(604)33:21 (605)33:30(606)33:34(607)33:37(608)33:38(609)33:38(610)33:39(611)33:40(612)33:46(613)33:47(614)33:48(615)33:53(616)33:53 (617)33:62(618)33:62(619)33:63(620)33:69(621)34:08(622)34:22(623)34:47(624)35:03(625)35:03(626)35:04(627)35:05(628)35:11 (629)35:15(630)35:17(631)35:18(632)35:29(633)35:32(634)35:40(635)35:43(636)35:43(637)36:74
(638)37:23(639)37:40(640)37:74 (641)37:86(642)37:128(643)37:159(644)37:160(645)37:169 (646)38:26(647)38:26(648)39:01(649)39:03(650)39:10(651)39:17(652)39:20 (653)39:22(654)39:23(655)39:23 (656)39:32(657)39:38 (658)39:43(659)39:47(660)39:53(661)39:56(662)39:60(663)39:63(664)39:64(665)40:02(666)40:04(667)40:10(668)40:16(669)40:21 (670)40:29(671)40:33(672)40:35(673)40:35(674)40:43(675)40:44(676)40:55 (677)40:56(678)40:63(679)40:66(680)40:69(681) 40:74(682)40:77(683)40:78(684)40:78(685)40:81(686)40:85
(687)41:19(688)41:28 (689)41:33(690)41:52(691)42:10(692)42:16(693)42:24 (694)42:31(695)42:36(696)42:40(697)42:46(698)42:47 (699)42:53(700)42:53(701)44:18(702)44:19(703)45:02 (704)45:06(705)45:06(706)45:08(707)45:10(708)45:14(709)45:19 (710)45:23 (711)45:32(712)45:35 (713)46:02(714)46:04(715)46:05(716)46:08(717)46:10(718)46:17(719)46:23(720)46:26(721)46:28(722)46:31(723)46:32(724)47:01 (725)47:04(726)47:32(727)47:34(728)47:38(729)48:05(730)48:10(731)48:11(732)48:15(733)48:23(734)48:23(735)48:29(736)48:29 (737)49:01(738)49:03(739)49:07(740)49:08(741)49:09(742)49:13(743)49:15(744)50:26(745)51:50(746)51:51(747)52:43(748)52:43 (749)53:58(750)57:05(751)57:10(752)57:14(753)57:16(754)57:20(755)57:21(756)57:22(757)57:27(758)57:29(759)57:29(760)58:01 (761)58:04(762)58:10(763)58:10(764)58:16(765)58:17(766)58:19(767)58:22(768)58:22(769)59:02(770)59:05(771)59:08(772)59:13 (773)59:21(774)59:23(775)60:04(776)60:04(777)60:10
(778)61:03(779)61:05(780)61:06(781)61:07(782)61:08(783)61:11(784)61:13 (785)61:14(786)61:14(787)61:14(788)62:04(789)62:05(790)62:09(791)62:10(792)62:11(793)63:01(794)63:02(795)63:05(796)63:07 (797)63:09(798)64:07(799)64:11(800)64:13(801)65:01(802)65:01(803)65:03(804)65:05(805)65:11(806)66:04(807)66:08(808)66:10 (809)67:26(810)70:03(811)71:04(812)71:25(813)72:04(814)72:05(815)72:18(816)72:19(817)72:22(818)72:23(819)73:20(820)73:20 (821)73:20(822)76:06(823)76:09(824)91:13(825)91:13(826)98:02(827)104:06(828)110:01(829)110:02=829


الله [Nominative case-With Dhumma at end]
(1)2:07(2)2:10(3)2:15(4)2:17(5)2:19(6)2:20(7)2:26(8)2:27(9)2:70(10)2:72(11)2:73(12)2:74(13)2:76(14)2:80(15)2:85(16)2:88(17)2:90 (18)2:90(19)2:91(20)2:95(21)2:96(22)2:105(23)2:105(24)2:109(25)2:116(26)2:118(27)2:137(28)2:140(29)2:140(30)2:143(31)2:143 (32)2:144(33)2:148(34)2:149(35)2:159(36)2:164(37)2:167(38)2:170(39)2:174(40)2:174(41)2:185(42)2:187(43)2:187(44)2:187(45)2:197 (46)2:202(47)2:205(48)2:207(49)2:210(50)2:212(51)2:213(52)2:213(53)2:213(54)2:216(55)2:218(56)2:219(57)2:220(58)2:220(59)2:221 (60)2:222(61)2:224(62)2:225(63)2:225(64)2:228(65)2:228(66)2:232(67)2:234(68)2:235(69)2:240(70)2:272(71)2:243(72)2:245(73)2:246 (74)2:247(75)2:247(76)2:249(77)2:251(78)2:253(79)2:253(80)2:253(81)2:255(82)2:256(83)2:257(84)2:258(85)2:258(86)2:259(87)2:259 (88)2:261(89)2:261(90)2:263(91)2:264(92)2:265(93)2:266(94)2:268(95)2:268(96)2:271(97)2:275(98)2:276(99)2:276(100)2:282 (101)2:282(102)2:282(103)2:283(104)2:284(105)2:284(106)2:286
(107)3:02(108)3:04(109)3:07(110)3:11(111)3:11(112)3:13(113)3:14 (114)3:15(115)3:18(116)3:20(117)3:28 (118)3:29(119)3:29(120)3:39 (121)3:30(122)3:31(123)3:31(124)3:34(125)3:36(126)3:40(127)3:47 (128)3:54(129)3:54(130)3:55(131) 3:57(132)3:62(133)3:66(134)3:68 (135)3:73(136)3:74(137)3:77(138)3:79(139)3:81(140)3:86(141)3:86 (142)3:95(143)3:98(144)3:99(145)3:103 (146)3:108(147)3:115 (148)3:117(149)3:121(150)3:122(151)3:123(152)3:126(153)3:129(154)3:134 (155)3:135(156)3:140(157)3:140 (158)3:141(159)3:142 (160)3:144(161)3:146(162)3:148(163)3:148(164)3:150(165)3:152(166)3:152 (167)3:153(168)3:154 (169)3:154(170)3:155(171)3:156 (172)3:156(173)3:156(174)3:160(175)3:163(176)3:165(177)3:167(178)3:170 (179)3:173(180)3:174(181)3:176 (182)3:179(183)3:179 (184)3:180(185)3:180(186)3:181(187)3:187(188)3:189(189)3:195
(190)4:05 (191)4:11(192)4:12(193)4:15(194)4:17(195)4:17(196)4:19(197)4:25(198)4:25(199)(200)4:26(201)4:26(202)4:27(203)4:28 (204)4:32 (205)4:34(206)4:34(207)4:35(208)4:37(209)4:39(210)4:39(211)4:45(212)4:46(213)4:49(214)4:52(215)4:52(216)4:54 (217)4:61 (218)4:63 (219)4:69(220)4:72(221)4:81(222)4:84(223)4:84(224)4:85(225)4:87(226)4:88(227)4:88 (228)4:88(229)4:90 (230)4:90 (231)4:92 (232)4:93 (233)4:94(234)4:95(235)4:95(236)4:95(237)4:96(238)4:99(239)4:99(240)4:100(241)4:104(242)4:105(243)4:108 (244)4:111 (245)4:113 (246)4:118(247)4:125(248)4:126(249)4:127(250)4:130 (251)4:130(252)4:131(253)4:133(254)4:134 (255)4:137(256)4:141 (257)4:143 (258)4:146(259)4:147(260)4:147(261)4:148(262)4:148(263)4:152(264)4:155(265)4:158(266)4:158 (267)4:164(268)4:165 (269)4:166 (270)4:168(271)4:170(272)4:171(273)4:176(274)4:176(275)4:176
(276)5:04(277)5:06(278)5:09(279)5:12(280)5:12(281)5:14(282)5:16(283)5:17(284)5:19(285)5:21(286)5:23(287)5:27(288)5:31(289)5:38 (290)5:40(291)5:41(292)5:41(293)5:44(294)5:45(295)5:47(296)5:47(297)5:48(298)5:48(299)5:49(300)5:49(301)5:49(302)5:52(303)5:54 (304)5:54(305)5:55(306)5:60(307)5:61(308)5:64(309)5:64(310)5:67(311)5:71(312)5:71(313)5:72(314)5:74 (315)5:76(316)5:80(317)5:85 (318)5:87(319)5:88(320)5:89(321)5:89(322)5:93(323)5:94(324)5:94 (325)5:95(326)5:95(327)5:95(328)5:97(329)5:99 (330)5:101(331)5:101 (332)5:103(333)5:104(334)5:108(335)5:109(336)5:110(337)5:115 (338)5:116(339)5:119(340)5:119
(341)6:03(342)6:17(343)6:19(344)6:35(345)6:36(346)6:39(347)6:46(348)6:53(349)6:53(350)6:58 (351)6:64(352)6:71(353)6:90 (354)6:91 (355)6:91(356)6:93(357)6:95(358)6:102(359)6:107(360)6:111(361)6:124(362)6:125(363)6:125 (364)6:128(365)6:137(366)6:140 (367)6:142(368)6:144(369)6:148(370)6:151
(371)7:28(372)7:43(373)7:49(374)7:50(375)7:54(376)7:54 (377)7:71(378)7:87(379)7:89(380)7:89(381)7:101(382)7:164(383)7:178 (384)7:185(385)7:186(386)7:188(387)7:190(388)7:196
(389)8:02 (390)8:07(391(8:07(392)8:10(393)8:23(394)8:29(395)8:30(396)8:30(397)8:33(398)8:33(399)8:34(400)8:37(401)8:41(402)8:42 (403)8:43 (404)4:44(405)8:47(406)8:48(407)8:52(408)8:60(409)8:62(410)8:64(411)8:66(412)8:66(413)8:67(414)8:67(415)8:70(416)8:70 (417)8:71(418)8:72
(419)9:14(420)9:15(421)9:15(422)9:16(423)9:16(424)9:19(425)9:24(426)9:24(427)9:25(428)9:26(429)9:27(430)9:27(431)9:28 (432)9:29(433)9:30(434)9:32(435)9:37(436)9:37(437)9:37(438)9:39(439)9:40(440)9:40(441)9:40(442)9:42(443)9:43(444)9:44(445)9:46 (446)9:47(447)9:51(448)9:52(449)9:55(450)9:59(451)9:59(452)9:59(453)9:60(454)9:62(455)9:68(456)9:68(457)9:70(458)9:71(459)9:72 (460)9:74(461)9:74(462)9:79(463)9:80(464)9:80(465)9:83(466)9:85(467)9:89(468)9:91(469)9:93(470)9:94(471)9:94(472)9:97(473)9:97 (474)9:98(475)9:99(476)9:100(477)9:102(478)9:103(479)9:105(480)9:106(481)9:107(482)9:108(483)9:109(484)9:110(485)9:115 (486)9:117(487)9:121(488)9:127(489)9:129
(490)10:03(491)10:03(492)10:05(493)10:06(494)10:11(495)10:16(496)10:21(497)10:25 (498)10:31(499)10:32(500)10:34(501)10:35 (502)10:46(503)10:49(504)10:59(505)10:68(506)10:82(507)10:107(508)10:109
(509)11:12 (510)11:31(511)11:31(512)11:33(513)11:34 (514)12:18(515)12:19(516)12:21(517)12:39(518)12:40(519)12:66(520)12:76(521)12:77(522)12:80(523)12:83(524)12:90(525)12:91 (526)12:92(527)12:99
(528)13:02(529)13:08(530)13:11(531)13:16(532)13:16(533)13:17(534)13:17(535)13:21(536)13:25(537)13:26(538)13:31(539)13:33 (540)13:39(541)13:41
(542)14:04(543)14:09(544)14:21(545)14:24(546)14:25(547)14:27(548)14:27(549)14:27(550)14:32(551)14:51
 (552)16:19(553)16:26(554)16:31(555)16:33(556)16:35(557)16:36 (558)16:38(559)16:45(560)16:48(561)16:51(562)16:63(563)16:65 (564)16:70(565)16:71(566)16:72(567)16:75(568)16:76(569)16:78(570)16:79(571)16:80(572)16:81(573)16:92(574)16:93(575)16:101 (576)16:104(577)16:108(578)16:112(579)16:112(580)16:114
(581)17:33 (582)17:94(583)17:97
(584)18:04(585)18:17(586)18:24(587)18:26(588)18:38(589)18:39(590)18:45(591)18:69
(592)19:58(593)19:76
(594)20:08(595)20:14(596)20:73(597)20:98(598)20:114
(599)21:22
(600)22:15(601)22:18(602)22:35(603)22:40(604)22:40(605)22:47(606)22:52(607)22:52(608)22:52(609)22:58(610)22:60(611)22:68 (612)22:69(613)22:72(614)22:75
(615)23:14(616)23:24(617)23:91(618)23:116 (619)24:17(620)24:18(621)24:18(622)24:19(623)24:21(624)24:22(625)24:22(626)24:25(627)24:28(628)24:29(629)24:32(630)24:32 (631)24:33(632)24:35(633)24:35(634)24:35(635)24:35(636)24:36(637)24:38(638)24:38(639)24:39(640)24:40(641)24:41(642)24:44 (643)24:45(644)24:45(645)24:46(646)24:50(647)24:55(648)24:58(649)24:58(650)24:59(651)24:59(652)24:60(653)24:61(654)24:63 (655)24:64(656)25:41(657)25:68(658)25:70(659)25:70
(660)27:09(661)27:26(662)27:36(663)27:63(664)27:65(665)27:87
(666)28:27(667)28:28(668)28:30(669)28:70(670)28:71(671)28:72(672)28:77(673)28:77(674)28:82
(675)29:03(676)29:10(677)29:11(678)29:19(679)29:20(680)29:24(681)29:40(682)29:44(683)29:45(684)29:60(685)29:61(686)29:62 (687)29:63(688)30:06(689)30:08(690)30:09(691)30:11(692)30:29(693)30:40(694)30:48(695)30:54(696)30:59(697)31:16(698)31:21 (699)31:25(700)32:04
(701)33:04 (702)33:04(703)33:05(704)33:09(705)33:12(706)33:18(707)33:19(708)33:22(70)33:22(710)33:24(711)33:25 (712)33:25 (713)33:25 (714)33:27(715)33:33(716)33:35(717)33:36(718)33:37(719)33:37(720)33:37(721)33:38(722)33:40(723)33:50 (724)33:50 (725)33:51 (726)33:51(727)33:52(728)33:53(729)33:57(730)33:59(731)33:69(732)33:73(733)33:73(734)33:73(735)34:24(736)34:27 (737)35:02 (738)35:09(739)35:11(740)35:13(741)35:15(742)35:44(743)35:45(744)36:47(745)36:47
(746)37:35(747)37:96(748)37:102(749)37:152(750)38:65(751)39:04(752)39:04(753)39:06(754)39:16(755)39:18(756)39:20 (757)39:22 (758)39:23(759)39:23(760)39:26(761)39:29(762)39:35(763)39:36(764)39:36(765)39:37(766)39:37(767)39:38(768)39:38 (769)39:38 (770)39:42(771)39:45(772)39:61(773)39:62(774)39:68(775)40:12(776)40:20(777)40:21(778)40:22(779)40:28(780)40:31 (781)40:33 (782)40:34(783)40:34(784)40:35(785)40:45(786)40:61(787)40:62(788)40:64(789)40:64(790)40:64 (791)40:74(792)40:79
 (793)41:21(794)41:30(795)42:03(796)42:06 (797)42:08(798)42:10(799)42:13(800)42:15(801)42:15 (802)42:15(803)42:17 (804)42:19 (805)42:21(806)42:23(807)42:24(808)42:24 (809)42:27(810)42:44(811)42:46(812)42:51
(813)43:87(814)44:42(815)45:05(816)45:12(817)45:19(818)45:22(819)45:23(820)45:26(821)46:13(822)47:03(823)47:04 (824)47:09 (825)47:10(826)47:16(827)47:19(828)47:19(829)47:23(830)47:26(831)47:26(832)47:29 (833)47:30(834)47:34(835)47:35 (836)47:38 (837)48:02(838)48:03(839)48:04(840)48:06(841)48:07(842)48:11(843)48:14(844)48:15 (845)48:16(846)48:18 (847)48:19(848)48:2 (849)48:21(850)48:21(851)48:24(852)48:25(853)48:26(854)48:26(855)48:27(856)48:27 (857)48:29(858)49:03(859)49:05(860)49:08 (861)49:16(862)49:16(863)49:17(864)49:18(865)52:27(866)53:23(867)53:26(868)57:04 (869)57:10(870)57:10(871)57:21(872)57:23 (873)57:25(874)57:28(875)57:29(876)58:01(877)58:01(878)58:03(879)58:06(880)58:06 (881)58:06(882)58:08(883)58:08 (884)58:11 (885)58:11(886)58:11(887)58:13(888)58:13(889)58:14(890)58:15(891)58:18(892)58:21 (893)58:22(894)59:02(895)59:03 (896)59:06 (897)59:06(898)59:07(899)59:11(900)59:22(901)59:23(902)59:24(903)60:03(904)60:07 (905)60:07(906)60:07(907)60:08 (908)60:09 (909)60:10(910)60:10(911)60:13(912)61:05(913)61:05(914)61:07(915)61:08(916)62:04(917)62:05(918)62:07(919)62:11 (920)63:01 (921)63:01(922)63:04(923)63:06(924)63:11(925)63:11(926)64:02(927)64:04(928)64:06 (929)64:06(930)64:08(931)64:11 (932)64:13 (933)64:15(934)64:17(935)65:03(936)65:07(937)65:07(938)65:07(939)65:10(940)65:10 (941)65:11(942)65:12(943)66:01 (944)66:01(945)66:02(946)66:02(947)66:03(948)66:08(949)66:10(950)66:11(951)67:09(952)67:28 (953)71:15(954)71:17(955)71:19 (956)72:07(957)73:20(958)74:31(959)74:31(960)74:56(961)76:11(962)76:30(963)79:25(964)81:29 (965)84:23(966)85:09 (967)85:20 (968)87:07(969)88:24(970)95:08(971)98:08(972)112:01(973)112:02=973


الله [Accusative case ending-Fatha at end]
(1)2:09(2)2:20(3)2:26(4)2:55(5)2:67(6)2:77(7)2:83(8)2:98(9)2:106(10)2:107(11)2:109(12)2:110(13)2:115(14)2:132(15)2:143(16)2:148 (17)2:153(18)2:158(19)2:165(20)2:173(21)2:176(22)2:181(23)2:182(24)2:185(25)2:189(26)2:190(27)2:192(28)2:194(29)2:194(30)2:195 (31)2:196(32)2:196(33)2:198(34)2:199(35)2:199(36)2:200(37)2:203(38)2:203(39)2:204(40)2:206(41)2:209(42)2:211(43)2:215(44)2:220 (45)2:222(46)2:223(47)2:224(48)2:226(49)2:227(50)2:231(51)2:231(52)2:233(53)2:233(54)2:235(55)2:235(56)2:237(57)2:239(58)2:243 (59)2:244(60)2:245(61)2:247(62)2:247(63)2:249(64)2:251(65)2:253(66)2:258(67)2:259(68)2:260(69)2:267(70)2:270(71)2:272(72)2:273 (73)2:278(74)2:282(75)2:282(76)2:283
(77)3:05(78)3:09(79)3:19(80)3:31(81)3:32(82)3:32(83)3:33(84)3:37(85)3:39(86)3:42(87)3:45 (88)3:50(89)3:51(90)3:62(91)3:63(92)3:64 (93)3:76(94)3:89(95)3:92(96)3:97(97)3:102(98)3:119(99)3:120(100)3:123(101)3:130(102)3:132 (103)3:135(104)3:144(105)3:155 (106)3:159(107)3:165(108)3:171(109)3:176(110)3:177(111)3:179(112)3:181(113)3:182(114)3:183 (115)3:191(116)3:199(117)3:200
(118)4:01(119)4:01(120)4:09(121)4:11(122)4:13(123)4:14(124)4:16(125)4:23(126)4:24(127)4:29 (128)4:32(129)4:32(130) 4:33(131)4:34 (132)4:36(133)4:36(134)4:40(135)4:42(136)4:43(137)4:48(138)4:56(139)4:58(140)4:58 (141)4:58(142)4:59(143)4:64 (144)4:64 (145)4:69 (146)4:80(147)4:86(148)4:94(149)4:102(150)4:103(151)4:106(152)4:106(153)4:107(154)4:109(155)4:110(156)4:110(157)4:116 (158)4:127 (159)4:128(160)4:129(161)4:131(162)4:135(163)4:140(164)4:142(165)4:142 (166)4:149(167)4:153
(168)5:01(169)5:02(170)5:02(171)5:03(172)5:04(173)5:04(174)5:07(175)5:07(176)5:08(177)5:08(178)5:11(179)5:12(189)5:13(181)5:17 (182)5:28(183)5:33(184)5:34(185)5:35(186)5:39(187)5:39(188)5:40(189)5:42(190)5:51(191)5:56(192)5:57(193)5:67(194)5:72(195)5:72 (196)5:73(197)5:87(198)5:88(199)5:92(200)5:96(201)5:97(202)5:97(203)5:98(204)5:98(205)5:100(206)5:108(207)5:112(208)5:117
(209)6:37(210)6:91(211)6:95(212)6:108(213)6:144(214)6:150
(215)7:28(216)7:50(217)7:59(218)7:65(219)7:70(220)7:73(221)7:85(222)7:189
 (223)8:01(224)8:01(225)8:10(226)8:13(227)8:13(228)8:13(229)8:17(230)8:17(231)8:17(232)8:18 (233)8:19(234)8:20(235)8:24(236)8:25 (237)8:27(238)8:28(239)8:29(240)8:39(241)8:40(242)8:42(243)8:43(244)8:45(245)8:46(246)8:46(247)8:48(248)8:49(249)8:51(250)8:52 (251)8:53(252)8:53(253)8:58(254)8:63(255)8:69(256)8:69(257)8:71(258)8:75
(259)9:02(260)9:03(261)9:04(262)9:05(263)9:07(264)9:18(265)9:22(266)9:28(267)9:36(268)9:40(269)9:63(270)9:64(271)9:67(272)9:71 (273)9:71(274)9:75(275)9:77(276)9:78(277)9:78(278)9:90(279)9:96(280)9:99(281)9:102(282)9:104(283)9:104(284)9:107(285)9:111 (286)9:115(287)9:116(288)9:118(289)9:119(290)9:120(291)9:123
(292)10:18(293)10:22(294)10:36(295)10:44(296)10:60(297)10:81(298)10:81(299)10:104
 (300)11:02(301)11:26(302)11:50(303)11:54 (304)11:61(305)11:78(306)11:84(307)11:115
(308)12:52(309)12:88(310)12:90
(311)13:11(312)13:26(313)13:31(314)13:36
(315)14:08(316)14:11(317)14:19(318)14:22(319)14:42(320)14:47(321)14:47(322)14:51
(323)15:69 (324)16:18(325)16:23(326)16:28(327)16:36(328)16:37(329)16:70(330)16:74(331)16:77(332)16:90(333)16:91(334)16:91(335)16:107 (336)16:115(337)16:128
(338)17:99(339)17:110
(340)18:16
(341)19:36
(342)22:06(343)22:07(344)22:10(345)22:11(346)22:14(347)22:14 (348)22:16(349)22:17(350)22:17 (351)22:18(352)22:18(353)22:2 (354)22:37(355)22:37(356)22:38(357)22:38(358)22:39(359)22:40 (360)22:54(361)22:58(362)22:59(363)22:60(364)22:61 (365)22:61 (366)22:62(367)22:62(368)22:63(369)22:63(370)22:64(371)22:65 (372)22:65(373)22:70(374)22:74(375)22:74(376)22:75
(377)23:23(378)23:32(379)24:05(380)24:10(381)24:20(382)24:21(383)24:25(384)24:30(385)24:33(386)24:39(387)24:41(388)24:43 (389)24:45(390)24:52(391)24:52(392)24:53(393)24:54(394)24:62(395)24:62(396)26:89(397)26:108(398)26:110(399)26:126(400)26:131 (401)26:144(402)26:150(403)26:163(404)26:179(405)26:227
(406)27:45(407)27:46(408)28:50(409)28:56(410)28:76(411)28:77(412)28:78(413)28:82(414)29:06(415)29:16(416)29:20(417)29:36 (418)29:42 (419)29:62(420)29:65(421)29:69(422)30:37(423)31:12 (424)31:16(425)31:18(426)31:20 (427)31:23(428)31:26 (429)31:27 (430)31:28 (431)31:29(432)31:29(433)31:30(434)31:30(435)31:32(436)31:34(437)31:34
(438)33:01(439)33:01(440)33:02(441)33:15(442)33:21 (443)33:21(444)33:23(445)33:24(446)33:29(447)33:29(448)33:33(449)33:34(450)33:35(451)33:36(452)33:37(453)33:39(454)33:41 (455)33:54(456)33:55(457)33:55(458)33:56(459)33:57(460)33:64(461)33:66(462)33:70(463)33:71
(464)35:01(465)35:08(466)35:08 (467)35:22(468)35:27(469)35:28(470)35:28(471)35:31(472)35:38(473)35:41(474)35:45
(475)37:126(476)39:02(477)39:03(478)39:03 (479)39:07(480)39:11(481)39:14(482)39:21(483)39:52(484)39:53(485)39:57(486)39:66(487)39:67
(488)40:14(489)40:17(490)40:20(491)40:28(492)40:44(493)40:48(494)40:61(495)41:14(496)41:15(497)41:22 (498)42:05(499)42:23 (500)43:63(501)43:64(502)46:10 (503)46:17(504)46:21(505)46:33 (506)47:07(507)47:11(508)47:12 (509)47:21(510)47:28 (511)47:32 (512)47:33(513)48:10(514)48:10 (515)48:17(516)49:01(517)49:01(518)49:07(519)49:09(520)49:10(521)49:12(522)49:12(523)49:13 (524)49:14(525)49:14(526)49:16(527)49:18(528)51:58(529)57:09(530)57:11(531)57:17(532)57:18(533)57:24(534)57:25(535)57:28 (536)58:01(537)58:02(538)58:05(539)58:07(540)58:07(541)58:09(542)58:12(543)58:13(544)58:20(545)58:21(546)58:22(547)59:04 (548)59:04(549)59:04(550)59:06(551)59:07(552)59:07(553)59:08(554)59:16(555)59:18(556)59:18(557)59:18(558)59:19(559)60:06 (560)60:06(561)60:08(562)60:11(563)60:12(564)60:12(565)61:04(566)62:10(567)63:06(568)64:12(569)64:14(570)64:16(571)64:17 (572)65:01(573)65:01(574)65:02(575)65:03(576)65:04(577)65:05(578)65:10(579)65:12(580)65:12(581)66:04 (582)66:06 (583)71:03(584)72:12(585)72:23(586)73:20 (587)73:20(588)73:20(589)76:30(590)96:14(591)98:05=591

Total=2393
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Noon de Plume on May 30, 2010, 07:35:20 AM
Peace,

Copy/paste do a search for exactly الله which Word found 2555 items matching this criteria.

These are inapplicable:
62:11 اللهو
77:31 اللهب

8:32 اللهم allahumma refers to unbelievers calling out their god...

8:31-32
And when Our verses are recited on them, they said: "We had heard, and if want we would have said equal (to) that, that that (is) except the beginners' baseless stories."
And when they said: "our god (allahumma) if that was it, the truth from at you, so rain on us stones from the sky or bring to us with a painful torture."

Total Allah in Qur'an is 2552 = 88 x 29!

This assumption too is incorrect.


الله[In genitive case ending; Kasra at end]=829

الله [Nominative case-With Dhumma at end]=973

الله [Accusative case ending-Fatha at end]=591

Total=2393


A precise count is not an assumption or incorrect and you did not include...

بالله   اللهم  تالله  فالله    
6    +    9    +    5    +    140 = 160

2393 + 160   = 2553 less the one in 8:32 اللهم allahumma unbelievers calling out their god = 2552

Notice also when combining counts of الله and لله that ‏114:3 اله الناس was left out.

http://www.submission.org/miracle/pdf/vis3.pdf

Mostly has to do with with exclusion/inclusion and reminds me of a saying heard from a judge once...

"This case is like judging a bikini contest; what's revealed is interesting, what's concealed is vital!"
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Mazhar on May 30, 2010, 09:53:32 AM
Since earlier only Allah was quoted, therefore, I did not include those with prefix and suffixe.

A precise count is not an assumption or incorrect and you did not include...

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بالله   اللهم  تالله  فالله   
6    +    9    +    5    +    140 = 160

2393 + 160   = 2553 less the one in 8:32 اللهم allahumma unbelievers calling out their god = 2552

If these are taken then why Allah with Prefixed Preposition لِ  not included?

لِلَّهِ (1)01:02(2)2:22(3)2:112(4)2:115(5)2:156(6)2:165(7)2:172(8)2:193(9)2:196(10)2:238(11)3:20(12)3:97(13)3:109 (14)3:129 (15)3:154(16)3:172(17)3:180(18)3:189(19)3:199(20)4:125(21)4:126(22)4:131(23)4:131(24)4:132(25)4:135(26)4:139(27)4:144 (28)4:146(29)4:170(30)5:08(31)5:17(32)5:18(33)5:120(34)6:01(35)6:45(36)6:57(37)6:100(38)6:136(39)6:136(40)6:136(41)6:162(42)7:43 (43)7:128(44)7:180(45)8:01(46)8:24(47)8:39(48)8:41(49)9:91(50)10:10(51)10:20(52)10:55(53)10:65(54)10:66(55)11:123(56)12:31 (57)12:40(58)12:51(59)12:67(60)13:15(61)13:61(62)13:33(63)14:21(64)14:30(65)14:39(66)14:48(67)16:49(68)16:57(69)16:60(70)16:62 (71)16:74(72)16:75(73)16:77(74)17:111(75)18:01(76)18:44(77)19:35(78)22:31(79)22:41(80)23:28(81)23:85(82)23:87(83)23:89(84)24:42 (85)24:64(86)27:14(87)27:25(88)27:44(89)27:59(90)27:93(91)28:75(92)29:63(93)30:04(94)31:12(95)31:25(96)31:26(97)33:31(98)34:01 (99)34:46(100)35:01(101)35:34(102)37:182(103)39:03(104)39:08(105)39:29(106)39:74(107)39:75(108)40:12(109)40:16(110)40:65 (111)41:37(112)45:27(113)48:04(114)48:07(115)48:14(116)53:31(117)53:62(118)57:01(119)57:10(120)59:01(121)61:01(122)62:01 (123)62:06(124)63:07(125)63:08(126)64:01(127)65:02(128)71:13(129)72:18=129

لِّلّهِ (1)2:98(2)2:142(3)2:165(4)2:284(5)4:172(6)6:12(7)9:114(8)13:31(9)16:48(10)16:120(11)22:56(12)39:44(13)42:49(14)82:19=14

And Allah in (1)10:59(2)27:59=2

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the one in 8:32 اللهم allahumma unbelievers calling out their god


Polytheists never ever called their gods as Allah. Whenever they are confronted with realities about creation they always replied Allah [which does not mean that they are referring to their so called multiple statutes declared as Ilaha]

While dealing with digits, fudging becomes evident.
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Noon de Plume on May 30, 2010, 11:24:42 AM
Since earlier only Allah was quoted, therefore, I did not include those with prefix and suffixe.

If these are taken then why Allah with Prefixed Preposition لِ  not included?

Sure then let's include all forms: prefix, suffix... download: http://tanzil.info/wiki/Download_Quran_Text

Do a search for exactly لله which found 2708 items matching this criteria.

Not applicable 6:39 ضلله  62:11 اللهو 77:31 اللهب 92:12 للهدى

= 2704 + ?  إله as in إله الناس 114:3  have not verified how many

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While dealing with digits, fudging becomes evident.

Yes, their exclusion/inclusion and particular arrangement to fulfill a desired outcome (i.e. numerology).

Peace
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran- Can you understand this?
Post by: Bahman on October 09, 2010, 10:51:04 AM
Peace (http://purified-scripture.com) :)
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Noon de Plume on October 09, 2010, 11:41:06 AM
2704 - 5 اللهم allahumma = 2699 a prime number with divisors: 1 and itself!
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Mazhar on January 15, 2012, 03:59:04 PM
Occurrences: 2704
No of constructions=12
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: nobuddy on February 25, 2012, 05:16:07 AM
9:129 فان تولوا فقل حسبى الله  
19 letters beginning of verse to including Allah

w    l    ls    tgv    gvs    word-gv    sum-gv
1    3     3    131    131    80150        80  81 131
2    5     8    443    574    40063061    531 537 567 573 574
3    3    11    210    784    8010030     654 754 784
4    4    15     80    864    860210      792 852 854 864
5    4    19     66    930    130305      865 895 925 930

1 131  2 443  3 210  4 80 5 66 = 19 x ...
 1 131 3 2 443 5 3 210 3  4 80 4 5 66 4 = 19 x ...
 1 131 3 2 443 8 3 210 11 4 80 15 5 66 19 = 19 x ...

1 3 123 2 8 45678 3 11 91011 4 15 12131415 5 19 16171819 = 19 x ...
1 3 80 81 131 2 5 531 537 567 573 574 3 3 654 754 784 4 4 792 852 854 864 5 4 865 895 925 930 = 19 x ...
80150 1 80 81 131 40063061 2 531 537 567 573 574 8010030 3 654 754 784 860210 4 792 852 854 864 130305 5 865 895 925 930 = 19 x ...

3 131 5 443 3 210 4 80 4 66 = 19 x ...
3 131 80 81 131 5 574 531 537 567 573 574 3 784 654 754 784 4 864 792 852 854 864 4 930 865 895 925 930 = 19 x ...
80 1 1 2 50 3 131 400 4 6 5 30 6 6 7 1 8 443 80 9 100 10 30 11 210 8 12 60 13 2 14 10 15 80 1 16 30 17 30 18 5 19 66 = 19 x ...
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: navidfa on March 25, 2013, 12:34:21 AM
God in the Quran occurs 2698 times. What you are showing means nothing. The number of times the word God occurs in that verse is 2 and nobody disputes that.

The proof that 9:128-129 do not belong is not limited to the word God. Almost every aspect of those 2 verses are problematic, in addition to the fact that they were already historically suspect to begin with.

If you are attempting to question Rashads count, I am happy that he includes an ongoing tally at the bottom of each page of the English version for our convenience. The total is 2698.
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Noon waalqalami on March 26, 2013, 05:14:45 PM
God in the Quran occurs 2698 times. What you are showing means nothing. The number of times the word God occurs in that verse is 2 and nobody disputes that.

The proof that 9:128-129 do not belong is not limited to the word God. Almost every aspect of those 2 verses are problematic, in addition to the fact that they were already historically suspect to begin with.

If you are attempting to question Rashads count, I am happy that he includes an ongoing tally at the bottom of each page of the English version for our convenience. The total is 2698.

Peace, what you stated is false since the word God in Arabic occurs 2704 times.
Exclude 5 allahuma & 112 chapter titles to “fix” statistically insignificant multiple.

3:26 قل say اللهم allahuma/the God ours
5:114 قال said عيسى Isa/Jesus ابن son مريم Maryam/Mary اللهم allahuma/the God ours
8:32 واذ and when قالوا said they اللهم allahuma/the God ours
10:10 دعواهم invocation theirs فيها therein سبحانك glory to you اللهم allahuma/the God ours...
39:46 قل say اللهم allahuma/the God ours...

Read article by brother Ayman on the word: http://www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-English-part1.pdf
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: navidfa on March 26, 2013, 08:19:26 PM
Peace, what you stated is false since the word God in Arabic occurs 2704 times.
Exclude 5 allahuma & 112 chapter titles to “fix” statistically insignificant multiple.

3:26 قل say اللهم allahuma/the God ours
5:114 قال said عيسى Isa/Jesus ابن son مريم Maryam/Mary اللهم allahuma/the God ours
8:32 واذ and when قالوا said they اللهم allahuma/the God ours
10:10 دعواهم invocation theirs فيها therein سبحانك glory to you اللهم allahuma/the God ours...
39:46 قل say اللهم allahuma/the God ours...

Read article by brother Ayman on the word: http://www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-English-part1.pdf

None of those verses are God with a capital G. They are just saying "Our god", as in the idol. Lower case god.

Even free-minds has translated this correctly:  39:46 Say: "Our god, Initiator of the heavens and the Earth, Knower of the unseen and the seen, You will judge between Your servants regarding what they disputed in."

So that eliminates those 5 verses, and yes verse 0s are not included in the God count. So 112 unnumbered verses are also not included in this count.
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Noon waalqalami on March 27, 2013, 02:24:14 PM
None of those verses are God with a capital G. They are just saying "Our god", as in the idol. Lower case god.

Even free-minds has translated this correctly:  39:46 Say: "Our god, Initiator of the heavens and the Earth, Knower of the unseen and the seen, You will judge between Your servants regarding what they disputed in."

So that eliminates those 5 verses, and yes verse 0s are not included in the God count. So 112 unnumbered verses are also not included in this count.

Peace,

Of course 112 verses, verse "0" is excluded except when needed to "fix" a multiple as in the case of total verses or when counting initials, etc. In the Arabic there is no capitalization and allah means “the god” in English, not name of an Arab god and allahuma translates correctly as "the god ours" (our god). In all verses it’s same as in first or any verse.


1:1 بسم in name الله the god الرحمن the powerful الرحيم the merciful
6:3 وهو and he الله the god في in السماوات the heavens وفي and in الارض the earth

3:26 قل say اللهم the god ours مالك owner الملك the kingship ...
5:114 قال said عيسى Isa/Jesus ابن son مريم Maryam/Mary اللهم the god ours ربنا lord ours ...
8:32 واذ and when قالوا said they اللهم the god ours ...
10:10 دعواهم invocation theirs فيها therein سبحانك glory to you اللهم the god ours ...
39:46 قل say اللهم the god ours فاطر originator السماوات the heavens والارض and the earth ...


Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: navidfa on March 27, 2013, 04:21:22 PM
Peace,

Of course 112 verses, verse "0" is excluded except when needed to "fix" a multiple as in the case of total verses or when counting initials, etc. In the Arabic there is no capitalization and allah means “the god” in English, not name of an Arab god and allahuma translates correctly as "the god ours" (our god). In all verses it’s same as in first or any verse.


1:1 بسم in name الله the god الرحمن the powerful الرحيم the merciful
6:3 وهو and he الله the god في in السماوات the heavens وفي and in الارض the earth

3:26 قل say اللهم the god ours مالك owner الملك the kingship ...
5:114 قال said عيسى Isa/Jesus ابن son مريم Maryam/Mary اللهم the god ours ربنا lord ours ...
8:32 واذ and when قالوا said they اللهم the god ours ...
10:10 دعواهم invocation theirs فيها therein سبحانك glory to you اللهم the god ours ...
39:46 قل say اللهم the god ours فاطر originator السماوات the heavens والارض and the earth ...

I understand there is no capital in arabic. That wasn't my point. You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. Please read carefully. Those ayas are not talking about ALLAH, they are talking about ILAH, which MEANS "god" not God.

Looks can be deceiving, however upon closer examination, it isn't using the word God.

[10:10] Their prayer therein is: "Be You glorified, our god," their greeting therein is, "Peace," and their ultimate prayer is: "Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe."
[5:114] Said Jesus, the son of Mary, "Our god, our Lord, send down to us a feast from the sky. Let it bring plenty for each and every one of us, and a sign from You. Provide for us; You are the best Provider."

This is NOT the word allah, as it GOD, nor does it mean it in the verse.

This is god, as in "My god, My god, why have you forsaken me?"

Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Noon waalqalami on March 27, 2013, 11:58:10 PM
I understand there is no capital in arabic. That wasn't my point. You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. Please read carefully. Those ayas are not talking about ALLAH, they are talking about ILAH, which MEANS "god" not God.

Looks can be deceiving, however upon closer examination, it isn't using the word God.

[10:10] Their prayer therein is: "Be You glorified, our god," their greeting therein is, "Peace," and their ultimate prayer is: "Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe."
[5:114] Said Jesus, the son of Mary, "Our god, our Lord, send down to us a feast from the sky. Let it bring plenty for each and every one of us, and a sign from You. Provide for us; You are the best Provider."

This is NOT the word allah, as it GOD, nor does it mean it in the verse.

This is god, as in "My god, My god, why have you forsaken me?"

Peace,

In Arabic these are all same as الله-م the god ours referring to the creator (i.e. the god)...

2141   الله the god
240      والله and the god
139      بالله with the god
130      لله to god
27      ولله and to god
8      تالله by the god
6      فلله so god
6      فالله so the god
5      اللهم the god ours
1      وتالله and by the god
1      ابالله surely with the god
      
      
2704      total
 
Again, suggest reading the article posted earlier and part 2 as well:
http://www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-English-part1.pdf
http://www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-English-part2.pdf
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: navidfa on March 28, 2013, 05:30:15 PM
Peace,

In Arabic these are all same as الله-م the god ours referring to the creator (i.e. the god)...

2141   الله the god
240      والله and the god
139      بالله with the god
130      لله to god
27      ولله and to god
8      تالله by the god
6      فلله so god
6      فالله so the god
5      اللهم the god ours
1      وتالله and by the god
1      ابالله surely with the god
      
      
2704      total
 
Again, suggest reading the article posted earlier and part 2 as well:
http://www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-English-part1.pdf
http://www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-English-part2.pdf

You are still confused. Yes it is referring to GOD, but the word used is "god". No god but God.

You don't seem to understand. I can't help you sorry.

I can say many things and refer to God.

My lord, my god, my savior.
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Noon waalqalami on March 28, 2013, 08:30:28 PM
You are still confused. Yes it is referring to GOD, but the word used is "god". No god but God.

You don't seem to understand. I can't help you sorry.

I can say many things and refer to God.

My lord, my god, my savior.

Peace, it’s you who is confused obsessed with numerology; obvious by what you write.

In English there are expressions as:

By God!
Our God!

In Arabic there is no capitalization and there are similar expressions:

8 occurrences    ت-الله By God!
26:97 By God! Indeed we are surely in misguidance clear.”

5 occurrences    الله-م Our God!
5:114 said Jesus son of Mary – “Our God! Our Lord...”

Thus numerologists exclude/include letters, words, verses, play with capitalization, etc., to “fix” multiples to impress extremely naive, devoid of simple logic and basic math concepts.
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: navidfa on March 29, 2013, 12:03:24 AM
Peace, it’s you who is confused obsessed with numerology; obvious by what you write.

In English there are expressions as:

By God!
Our God!

In Arabic there is no capitalization and there are similar expressions:

8 occurrences    ت-الله By God!
26:97 By God! Indeed we are surely in misguidance clear.”

5 occurrences    الله-م Our God!
5:114 said Jesus son of Mary – “Our God! Our Lord...”

Thus numerologists exclude/include letters, words, verses, play with capitalization, etc., to “fix” multiples to impress extremely naive, devoid of simple logic and basic math concepts.

OK i suggest you study the grammer of english more before you claim that there is such as thing as "Our God".

"God" here is "The God" a being like a name, while "god" is a description and just means deity in general.

You cannot say, "Our "THE GOD". The correct meaning in 5:114 is [5:114] Said Jesus, the son of Mary, "Our god, our Lord.

This is the same as saying "Our deity, our Lord."
This is NOT the same as saying "Our THE GOD, our Lord."
That is an INCORRECT claim, both grammatically and in meaning.

THIS IS WHY even FREE MINDS translated those 5 verses correctly as "Our god" which means "Our deity", not "Our The God". That is why they don't count for Allah! The correct count without these 5 incorrect counts and the false verse 9:129 give us 2698 or 19x142
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Noon waalqalami on March 29, 2013, 01:20:30 AM
OK i suggest you study the grammer of english more before you claim that there is such as thing as "Our God".

"God" here is "The God" a being like a name, while "god" is a description and just means deity in general.

I suggest you study the Arabic. Not like a name "always" a description or deity in general i.e.  الله the god

6:3 وهو and he الله the god في in السماوات the heavens وفي and in الارض the earth

READ THE ARTICLES:
http://www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-English-part1.pdf
http://www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-English-part2.pdf

This whole counting things and looking for multiples is absurd nonsense.

Peace be upon you.
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: navidfa on March 29, 2013, 02:12:22 AM
I suggest you study the Arabic. Not like a name "always" a description or deity in general i.e.  الله the god

6:3 وهو and he الله the god في in السماوات the heavens وفي and in الارض the earth

READ THE ARTICLES:
http://www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-English-part1.pdf
http://www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-English-part2.pdf

This whole counting things and looking for multiples is absurd nonsense.

Peace be upon you.

Even in arabic, you cannot say "Our God". ALLAH means "THE GOD".
In ANY language you cannot say "Our THE GOD"  FINISHED!


[17:46] We place shields around their minds, to prevent them from understanding it, and deafness in their ears.


You are a perfect example of this verse right now. You cannot understand no matter what I say.

[18:57] Who are more evil than those who are reminded of their Lord's proofs, then disregard them, without realizing what they are doing. Consequently, we place shields on their hearts to prevent them from understanding it (the Quran), and deafness in their ears. Thus, no matter what you do to guide them, they can never ever be guided.
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Noon waalqalami on March 29, 2013, 02:51:39 AM
Even in arabic, you cannot say "Our God". ALLAH means "THE GOD".
In ANY language you cannot say "Our THE GOD"  FINISHED!

No in Arabic it's  الله-م allahuma/the god/deity ours and no difference between these…

6:3 وهو and he الله the god في in السماوات the heavens وفي and in الارض the earth
12:95 قالوا saying ت-الله by the god انك indeed you لفي surely in ضلالك misguidance yours القديم the old
39:46 قل say الله-م the god ours فاطر originator السماوات the heavens والارض and the earth 

In all languages there are similar phrases...

Latin languages (French, Spanish, Italian, etc.) notre dieu
Slavic languages (Russian, Polish, Balkans, etc.) naš bog

Lastly ...

9:128 لقد truly جاءكم came to you رسول messenger من from انفسكم yourselves عزيز mighty عليه on to him ما what عنتم you suffer حريص concerned عليكم upon you بالمومنين to the believers رءوف kind رحيم merciful
9:129 فان so if تولوا turn away فقل say حسبي sufficient for me الله the god لا not اله deity الا except هو he عليه on to him توكلت I put my trust وهو and he رب lord العرش the throne العظيم the great

Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Man of Faith on March 29, 2013, 03:09:18 AM
Salaam,

I have to, as a friendly gesture, warn you not to be arrogant.

Perhaps you are both right without perceiving, but your expressions are incompatible.

You cannot claim to be guided, but at the same time have a irreligious behavior. This is not what leads to salvation.

Arrogance is part of the ego, and it is the ego which will prevent most people from entering Heaven, even among Believers. You have to search your feelings and seek the Light.

This is a general statement, please disregard if you do not feel hit by it.

God bless you
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Noon waalqalami on March 14, 2017, 09:36:01 PM
peace, easy to find multiples include/exclude.

If omit اللهم Allāhumma 3:26, 5:114, 8:32

9:127 الله 1272 occurrence not multiple!
9:129 الله 1273 occurrence i.e. 19 x 67!

9:129 فان so if تولوا turn they of فقل so say حسبى suffices me الله the god لا not اله deity الا except هو he علىه on him توكلت trust I وهو and he رب lord العرش the throne العظىم the great 

# letters from start verse including الله Allāh = 19!
seq # word gv 1 131 2 443 3 210 4 80 5 66 = 19 x ...!

total exclude 112 chapter titles = 2699 (prime number)
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Noon waalqalami on March 19, 2017, 08:16:42 AM
correction above... if exclude اللهم Allāhumma 3:26, 5:114, 8:32

9:127 1273 occurrence of "god" all forms is multiple 19 x 67
9:129 1216 occurrence of الله the god is also multiple 19 x 64

Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Timotheus on March 20, 2017, 02:28:55 AM
Peace,

There's only one allah in the Quran, that's enough for me
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Man of Faith on March 20, 2017, 07:28:45 AM
Peace,

There's only one allah in the Quran, that's enough for me

Oh really?
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: Timotheus on March 20, 2017, 04:52:59 PM
Oh really?
Yes really
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran
Post by: ben0000 on August 28, 2017, 03:20:09 PM
I've analyzed the results published by Rashad Khalifah and compared his results with my own results. My results were obtained based on a Matlab code that I've developed specifically for this purpose.

Mistakes in Khalifahs' results are:

9:15     one allah is not counted   (-1)
25:68   one allah is not counted   (-1)
40:74   one allah is not counted   (-1)
58:4     one allah is counted extra   (+1)
63:6     one allah is not counted   (-1)
63:7     one allah is counted extra   (+1)

In total, two allahs are counted less (-1-1-1+1-1+1=-2) due to the above mistakes.
If we accept that 9:129  is a false verse, we can consider that one another allah has been counted extra (+1) by Khalifah.
Therefore, only one allah is counted less  (-2+1=-1) by Khalifah.

As a result, the true total number of allahs in quran is 2698+1=2699.

To obtain the original number 2698=19*142, we should ignore the first "allah" which is found in 1:1. Is it really rational? I do not think so, because the first بسم الله is considered as a verse.

Notice:
Some people, just search for the word لله and they forget to remove the following list from their results.
6:39     يضلله
16:48   ظلله
30:48   خلله

in addition, there are 5 اللهم that should not be included in the results.
Title: Re: # Allah in Quran = 2706!
Post by: ben0000 on August 28, 2017, 03:31:05 PM
Last post to put this to rest...

Quran Word Search
http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran_search.htm

Parameter: لله
Search Type: Exact String
The number of text-occurrences: 2820

2820 - 112 chapter titles not counted = 2708

2708 – 2698 = 10 not counted; these were all EXCLUDED from the count...

http://www.submission.org/miracle/pdf/vis3.pdf


3:26 قل اللهم مالك الملك تؤتي الملك من تشاء وتنزع الملك ممن تشاء وتعز من تشاء وتذل من تشاء بيدك الخير انك على كل شئ قدير
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5:114 قال عيسى ابن مريم اللهم ربنا انزل علينا مائدة من السماء تكون لنا عيدا لاولنا واخرنا واية منك وارزقنا وانت خير الرازقين

8:32 واذ قالوا اللهم ان كان هذا هو الحق من عندك فامطر علينا حجارة من السماء اوائتنا بعذاب اليم
Say: “O God...

Only 1 was counted...
9:15 ويذهب غيظ قلوبهم ويتوب الله على من يشاء والله عليم حكيم
And God was not to misguide (a) nation after when He guided them, until He clarifies/explains to them what they fear and obey, that God was/is with every thing knowledgeable.

9:129 فان تولوا فقل حسبي الله لااله الا هو عليه توكلت وهو رب العرش العظيم

Only 1 was counted...
10:10 دعواهم فيها سبحانك اللهم وتحيتهم فيها سلام واخر دعواهم ان الحمد لله رب العالمين
Their call/prayer in it (is): "Oh/you God Your praise/glory." And their greeting in it (is): "Security/peace." and their last call/prayer (is): "That the praise/gratitude (is) to God the creations all together's/(universes') Lord.

39:46 قل اللهم فاطر السماوات والارض عالم الغيب والشهادة انت تحكم بين عبادك في ماكانوا فيه يختلفون
Say: “O God...

Only 1 was counted...
40:74 من دون الله قالوا ضلوا عنا بل لم نكن ندعوا من قبل شيئا كذلك يضل الله الكافرين
From other than God? They said: "They were misguided from us, but we were not calling from before a thing." As/like that God misguides the disbelievers.

‏‏These last two are OK...
77:31 لاظليل ولايغني من اللهب
La thaleelin wala yughnee mina allahabi

92:12 ان علينا للهدى
That truly on Us the guidance.

Total (not including 112 chapter titles) Allah in Quran = 2706!

Peace

See my comments in the previous post.