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Title: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Myr on August 07, 2006, 04:59:50 PM
Salam to the moderators/administrators,

I have one simple question: why no action is taken againt members like Danish who really does not share anything with the purpose of this forum and even mock at God and the scripture? Seriously I don't understand what is the purpose of tolerating members on this forum who clearly do not have a minimum common belief or interest.

Peace. Myr
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 07, 2006, 11:18:49 PM
Hello Myr,

I have not once disrespected you and neither have you discussed any matters with me. Are you afraid of my criticisms or your book? If you are afraid of your book, then all you need is to discuss my criticisms presented. Here's one just for you:

According to the Quran, was Firoun and his troops drowned (2:50, 28:40, 17:103) or were they preserved (10:92)? Would you call this mocking or defecations and urinations as mquran would have put it? Are you willing to discuss this matter with me along with other Moses's tales?
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: mquran on August 07, 2006, 11:59:44 PM
Salaamun alaikum Myr,

I applaud your straightforwardedness about Mr Everwhine here. The guy tries to play innocent by pretending to ask sincerely what you mean but of course it's all pretense.

Everwhine's tactic is as follows:

1. Coming in with the most rubbish, second-rate critiques which he can get off the net.

2. Having sincere believers answer him.

3. Completely ignoring them or changing the subject.

I'll show you evidence of this:

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Danish:According to the Quran, was Firoun and his troops drowned (2:50, 28:40, 17:103) or were they preserved (10:92)?


Look at the syntax of this..'was Firaun and his troops drowned OR were they preserved'.

Why is it 'OR' ? Why can't it be 'subsequently' ?

Secondly, did Everwhine actually read 10/92? If he did, why did he think Firaun's troops were preserved in body? The ayat only mentions Firaun.

Well done Myr, but your complain will fall on deaf ears.


Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: AhmedBahgat on August 08, 2006, 01:14:56 AM
Quote from: Danish
Here's one just for you:

Just for her?, why not for all the Muslims then?, are you scared to discuss it with other Muslims?

Please allow me to have a go at it

Quote from: Danish
According to the Quran, was Firoun and his troops drowned (2:50, 28:40, 17:103) or were they preserved (10:92)?

Did you discover this yourself or just the typical used by date rants by the Quran rejectors?


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Would you call this mocking or defecations and urinations

No, no, you did very well in putting the argument respectfully

Quote from: Danish
Are you willing to discuss this matter with me along with other Moses's tales?

I?m willing so let me get into it:

And when We parted the sea for you, so We saved you and drowned the followers of Firon and you watched by.

[The Quran ; 2:50]

 وَإِذْ فَرَقْنَا بِكُمُ الْبَحْرَ فَأَنجَيْنَاكُمْ وَأَغْرَقْنَا آلَ فِرْعَوْنَ وَأَنتُمْ تَنظُرُونَ (50)

-> Clear from the above that Firon people were drowned


So We caught hold of him and his hosts, then We cast them into the sea, and see how was the end of the unjust.

[The Quran ; 28:40]

 فَأَخَذْنَاهُ وَجُنُودَهُ فَنَبَذْنَاهُمْ فِي الْيَمِّ فَانظُرْ كَيْفَ كَانَ عَاقِبَةُ الظَّالِمِينَ (40)

-> Again, Firon and his soldiers drowned


So he desired to destroy them out of the earth, but We drowned him and those with him all together;

[The Quran ; 17:103]

 فَأَرَادَ أَن يَسْتَفِزَّهُم مِّنَ الأَرْضِ فَأَغْرَقْنَاهُ وَمَن مَّعَهُ جَمِيعًا (103)

-> And again Firon and his people drowned

Now the enemy of Islam say that the following verse contradicts the above 3 verses, let?s see:

This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!

[The Quran ; 10:92]

 فَالْيَوْمَ نُنَجِّيكَ بِبَدَنِكَ لِتَكُونَ لِمَنْ خَلْفَكَ آيَةً وَإِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنَ النَّاسِ عَنْ آيَاتِنَا لَغَافِلُونَ (92)

-> What can I say?, did the verse say that Firon was saved?, ABSOLUTELY NOT, it only said thay HIS BODY WAS SAVED: ? نُنَجِّيكَ بِبَدَنِكَ?, i. bloody e. ? We save thee in the body?, let me spell it mister Danish ?S A V E   T H E E    I N    T H E    B O D Y?,  if it was said without the word :? بِبَدَنِكَ?, ? in the body? then the enemy of Islam will surely have a point, but to delibertly turn a blind eye on the word ?Be Badanika? tells me that they must have an agenda, and those who believe them are really the fools because the Quran clearly refute their non sense.

Saving the body of Firon was  a must by Allah, in fact He told us that in the same verse 10:92, we know that Firon claimed to be our God:

23- Then he gathered (men) and called out.
24- Then he said: I am your lord, the most high.

[The Quran ; 79:23-24]

 فَحَشَرَ فَنَادَى (23)
 فَقَالَ أَنَا رَبُّكُمُ الْأَعْلَى (24)

- See what Firon was doing: ?he gathered (men) and called out?, then to the crowd, he announced that he is their god :? Then he said: I am your lord, the most high.?

-> Many na?ve humans believed him indeed, therefore if he just drowned and his body disappeared in the sea then many of those humans might have said, ?HE WAS OUR GOD AND SURELY HE MUST HAVE SAVED HIMSELF AND WENT TO STAY IN THE HEAVEN WHERE HE SUPPOSE TO BE?, according to 79:24 Firon told the crowd : ?I am your lord, the most high?, ?Rabakum Al Aala?, i.e. ?your god who is up there in the heaven?

-> Therefore Allah planned that the sea expels the DEAD BODY of Firon so those who might have been thinking that Firon is a god can see his dead and helpless body in front of their eyes, the mothers of all refutes that Firon was not our God as he claimed.

-> In fact this is what Allah told us that He saved his body for all the generations after him to see and WOW, this is what happened exactly, his body was preserved by the old Egyptians and his mummy now sits in the Egyptian museum FOR ALL GENERATIONS TO SEE, therefore 10:92 is actually  another miracle in the Quran and a clear proof that not Mohammad nor a bunch of wise men wrote this book, because even if they knew the history that his dead body was expelled by the sea  how they knew that his body will stay preserved then be discovered over a thousand years later for the people in year 2000 and beyond to see?, his mummy was discovered not far ago, how the Author of the Quran knew that UNLESS IT IS ALLAH WHO AUTHORED THE QURAN?, let?s look at the miracle in 10:92 in details:

-> ?  فَالْيَوْمَ نُنَجِّيكَ بِبَدَنِكَ لِتَكُونَ لِمَنْ خَلْفَكَ آيَةً?, ? We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee?, see, Allah is telling us why He saved Firon dead body, ? that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee?, the Arabic words ? لِمَنْ خَلْفَكَ?, ?Le Mn Khalafaka?, ? to those who come after thee? is a clear Quranic Miracle ladies and gents, and if you ever visit Egypt, I encourage you to visit the Egyptian museum to see his dead body for yourself and confirm that 10:92 is yet anoter Quran Miracle.

What left for me to discuss is to show everyone that the crucial word ?Be Badanika? that the enemy of Islam deliberately ignored was never mentioned in many cases where humans were saved by Allah and only the word ?Nungika? or different formats of it was used:

But the answer of his folk was only that they said: "Kill him" or "Burn him." Then Allah saved him from the Fire. Lo! herein verily are portents for folk who believe.

[The Quran ; 29:24]

 فَمَا كَانَ جَوَابَ قَوْمِهِ إِلَّا أَن قَالُوا اقْتُلُوهُ أَوْ حَرِّقُوهُ فَأَنجَاهُ اللَّهُ مِنَ النَّارِ إِنَّ فِي ذَلِكَ لَآيَاتٍ لِّقَوْمٍ يُؤْمِنُونَ (24)

-> Here we read how Allah saved Ibrahim, we only read the word ?Angah?, we never read the word ?in the body? in the case of Ibrahim, :? حَرِّقُوهُ فَأَنجَاهُ اللَّهُ مِنَ النَّارِ?, ? Burn him. Then Allah saved him from the Fire.?, in fact it was only Firon the word ?in the body? was used, i.e. ONLY HIS BODY WAS SAVED

Firon is a special person in the Quran, he was mentioned a lot because HE CLAIMED TO BE OUR GOD, and if you read the Quran well you will read that HE WAS PROMISED THE TOUGHEST OF ALL PUNISHMENT:

The fire; they shall be brought before it (every) morning and evening and on the day when the hour shall come to pass: Make Firon's people enter the severest chastisement.

[The Quran ; 40:46]

 النَّارُ يُعْرَضُونَ عَلَيْهَا غُدُوًّا وَعَشِيًّا وَيَوْمَ تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ أَدْخِلُوا آلَ فِرْعَوْنَ أَشَدَّ الْعَذَابِ (46)
 

-> See, ? on the day when the hour shall come to pass: Make Firon's people enter the severest chastisement.?

HOW DUMB FOR THE ENEMY OF ISLAM TO THINK THAT ALLAH SAVED FIRON?, well they have to manipulate 10:92 and ignore the word ?Be Badanika? for them to look smart

Another slam dunk mister Danish

Salam
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: mquran on August 08, 2006, 01:18:20 AM
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Are you afraid of my criticisms or your book? If you are afraid of your book, then all you need is to discuss my criticisms presented.


Either this person is completely deluded or he's quite a liar.  Danish has given criticisms of AQ in the past but has *never* stood up to respond to responses. I now realise that to call him an 'intellectual eunuch' is wrong because there's nothing intellectual about him. He's simply a psycho who needs a place to be psychotic. And thanks to the graciousness of this forum, he's found it.

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Danish:Are you willing to discuss this matter with me along with other Moses's tales?

I'm willing to discuss anything with you on the condition that you discuss instead of running off whenever your criticism's been answered. Ok, so you don't believe in Allah, that's your affair but do you not also believe in DECENCY? Is it 'decent' to provoke answers but run when answers have been given.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: mquran on August 08, 2006, 01:25:39 AM

Well put discussion, AB. Shows that 'budn' is not the same as 'nafs'. If it was 'bi nafsika' it would indeed be a contradiction.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: AhmedBahgat on August 08, 2006, 01:31:59 AM

Well put discussion, AB. Shows that 'budn' is not the same as 'nafs'. If it was 'bi nafsika' it would indeed be a contradiction.


I fixed a few typos as normal bro

take care
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: ThePink on August 08, 2006, 04:10:45 AM
It seems this Danish chap is really starting to tick off more than a few people around here..perhaps becoming a disruptive force that is taking the enjoyment of the forum away for many. 

Another angle to consider is...does he force one to think about the issue, educate themselves further and serve a purpose in this manner?  On the other hand, is this the manner in which people want to have to think of these issues or has it become a nuisance?
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: mquran on August 08, 2006, 05:12:29 AM
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Pink:Another angle to consider is...does he force one to think about the issue, educate themselves further and serve a purpose in this manner?  On the other hand, is this the manner in which people want to have to think of these issues or has it become a nuisance?

Speaking for myself, I say force shouldn't be needed to think about an issue. An issue as important as this - giving our loyalty to an external entity - is heavy and so needs heavy thought. My loyalty to this deen isn't blind and is open to criticism. But yes, the manner with which he levels his criticism, that's the problem. 

Personally, I'd like to see progress. Danish is anti-progress. He works on the broken record m.o. He cannot have a meaningful exchange and move on because it then nullifies his whole purpose of being here : to vent.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: soul2squeeze on August 08, 2006, 05:51:52 AM
Peace All

Excellent work AB.

I'd also like to add that they did tests on the body and found that this particular pharoah died specifically of drowning. He was put on tour in many cities of the world including many in the U.S. for the world to be witness. Praise be to God.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 08, 2006, 03:32:47 PM
Peace all,

Before I posted my response to Myr, I knew a madman will quickly come to distract this thread once again and followed by his supporters. I am disappointed that Myr has not responded to my post for her grudges and my concern directed just to her. Attack, hide and let others take over.

Now read and understand carefully how this insane ayatullah (aka 'prophet of doom') has exposed his idiocy unto himself again:

I'll show you evidence of this:

Danish:According to the Quran, was Firoun and his troops drowned (2:50, 28:40, 17:103) or were they preserved (10:92)?

Look at the syntax of this..'was Firaun and his troops drowned OR were they preserved'.

Why is it 'OR' ? Why can't it be 'subsequently' ?
This madman dashes out and shows his EVIDENCE in bold above. His questions become his evidence? :rotfl: :brickwall: 
 
...and then this madman utters:
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why did he think Firaun's troops were preserved in body?
Check this link http://www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5879.0 and find out why bodies were preserved during ancient times which has already been discussed.

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The ayat only mentions Firaun.
The specific ayat (10:92) doesn't mention Firaun by name. Another error. Have you yourself read this ayat?

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Well done Myr, but your complain will fall on deaf ears.
:yeah: Please expose more of your idiocies for members to witness because I'm just lovin it, every inch of it.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 08, 2006, 03:34:32 PM
It seems this Danish chap is really starting to tick off more than a few people around here..perhaps becoming a disruptive force that is taking the enjoyment of the forum away for many. 

Another angle to consider is...does he force one to think about the issue, educate themselves further and serve a purpose in this manner?  On the other hand, is this the manner in which people want to have to think of these issues or has it become a nuisance?
Just a few days ago, this ?pinky? wrote:

Quote from: ?ThePink?
The impression I get is that this place is for people to discuss many different issues and doesn't really have it's own 'dogma' or 'school of thought' other than an emphasis on the Qur'an.  To me, trying to 'convert' people to 'our way of thinking' kinda sets this place up to being yet another sect....know what I mean?

And last month:
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As the forum is named, it is free-minds, you are allowed to think for yourself.  In my opinion, we should all strive to learn to  have tolerance  for each others opinions, and to become good listeners. Most here are very open minded this way.

Pinky, you are beginning to sound like Leyla. Surprisingly, it was Leyla who first came barging in just to attack me, then came Samia, then s2s and now Myr and ThePinky. Except for s2s, none of these girls actually discussed anything with me but are only here to get personal and make this forum a fierce battle ground; one against all. Insane ayatullah hiding behind the hijabs of girls and getting full support with unrelenting and alienated success.

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I'd also like to add that they did tests on the body and found that this particular pharoah died specifically of drowning. He was put on tour in many cities of the world including many in the U.S. for the world to be witness.
Bring your evidence that it was ONLY one specific pharaoh who got drowned and then preserved? How did this specific pharaoh got mummified after drowning while several others have been found in the same state, shape and form? How does the world know that it was this specific pharaoh who troubled Moses among all others found? Did Moses?s people dived back into the deep open sea digging them out and preserving them or did the entire sea suddenly dried out after drowning them all so that Moses?s people could mummify them for future preservation? LOL, people are sounding sillier and crazier than I thought just to defend their ?divine? book. Here?s some more on this: http://www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5879.0.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: soul2squeeze on August 08, 2006, 03:50:25 PM
Peace Danish

I didn't mean to ever personally attack you, although you did to me for no apparent reason except that I stated my opinion and you called it "barging in"... But anyway, I don't hold grudges so I'm not angry. If I came across as attacking you personally, I sincerely apologize. That really isn't my style at all and I don't like to be that way. That doesn't mean that I have to accept what anyone states. I can disagree, and if it's the disagreement you didn't like.. well that's life. But I think you - more than anyone else in this forum - can appreciate a difference of opinion because you seem to have very different opinions. So this leads me to believe that I really did say something somewhere to offend you, and again I'm sorry. I hope you are big enough to accept a humble apology from your sister :)

Peace

P.S. Do God-Aloners wear hijab...? That's a real question not sarcasm.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Myr on August 08, 2006, 04:13:47 PM
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Before I posted my response to Myr, I knew a madman will quickly come to distract this thread once again and followed by his supporters. I am disappointed that Myr has not responded to my post for her grudges and my concern directed just to her. Attack, hide and let others take over.

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Man, you are fast drawing conclusions.  I work all day long and don't have the time luxury like most of the members to spend hours on this forum. 
I will not answer or debate anything with you because first my message was not addressed to you but to the moderators/administrators and second I go by the verse 4:140, I do not mingle with people who clearly have no respect whatsoever for the ONE who created them nor for HIS scripture.  I will just tell one thing to all the members who do not believe in the Quran and in the ONE who revealed it.  There are plenty of other forums for you where you can express your "spirituality" if any.  You are entitled and given the total freedom to believe in anything you want and disbelieve in anything you want as per the verse 18:29 but you have no place among the believers if your purpose is to mock at God and its scripture.  And I urge all my Sisters and Brothers who really fear the ONE who created them and believe in the scriptures sent by HIM to really apply 4:140  and not allow themselves to be part of the devil plot, it is a waste of energy and time to mingle or debate anything with these people and their example is clearly outlined in the Quran. 

I feel sorry for the admnistrators/moderators, I realize they are not that different from the way the Arab league operates or the UN, bureacracy and hierarchy that produce no action, nothing.  In fact, they are even not up to the mission of free-minds described on the site.  Very sad. 

Peace.  Myr.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: soul2squeeze on August 08, 2006, 04:26:15 PM
Peace Sis Myr

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And I urge all my Sisters and Brothers who really fear the ONE who created them and believe in the scriptures sent by HIM to really apply 4:140

Excellent advice
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Xawl on August 08, 2006, 04:55:50 PM
The Egyptians believed their pharaoh was both a god and a monarch. A monarch is a king or a queen. Egypt was ruled by many pharaohs, but a few stand out. Like the one mentioned in the Quran and some that built extravagant tombs which stood the test of time.

All pharaohs lived their lives and had their bodies mummified while the one mentioned in the Quran drowned.

I have one suggestion for some people who lack basic mutual respect for one another, whose purpose is only to make a free display of their sarcasms and hatred via their postings - Just ignore them!  :)
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 08, 2006, 06:41:52 PM
Before I posted my response to Myr, I knew a madman will quickly come to distract this thread once again and followed by his supporters. I am disappointed that Myr has not responded to my post for her grudges and my concern directed just to her. Attack, hide and let others take over.

Man, you are fast drawing conclusions.
LOL!  It is YOU who started this aggression by putting forth your own fast drawing conclusions about me. For crying out loud, why didn't you PM the moderators. Ofcourse not, you wanted this entire forum to get ready for a battle and here you have it. Another fast drawing conclusion and a LIE you bought forward is this: "I don't understand what is the purpose of tolerating members on this forum who clearly do not have a minimum common belief or interest.".

Listen, this forum is not designed specifically for people like you either, because you promote and believe in Hislam and reject Mislam and Codelam. Most people here that I've known do not believe in the crap you believe in and have drained them out of their system (such as salat, zakat, haj, etc.), so then why don't you do yourself a favor and dwell in sunni forums if this one hurts you that bad. We are all here discussing this book called Quran in their own ways and by all means have the slightest decency to participate, listen and understand what everyone has to say.

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I work all day long and don't have the time luxury like most of the members to spend hours on this forum. I do not mingle with people who clearly have no respect whatsoever for the ONE who created them nor for HIS scripture. I will not answer or debate anything with you because first my message was not addressed to you but to the moderators/administrators.
Certainly, I can very well understand your FEAR and DISRESPECT you've shown. You could have PM'ed your silly concern to mods/admins instead of provoking others and creating a menace. Don't waste your time if you work all day long and have no time for the mess you've gotten everyone into. Learn your lessons.

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And I urge all my Sisters and Brothers who really fear the ONE who created them and believe in the scriptures sent by HIM to really apply 4:140
How do you know that the ONE is HIM (a male deity) who sent this scripture? You can only mislead your brothers and sisters to become idolworshippers like you and take them all with you to something called 'Hell' in heavens as per Muhammad. That's the best you can do.

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and not allow themselves to be part of the devil plot, it is a waste of energy and time to mingle or debate anything with these people and their example is clearly outlined in the Quran.
The devils are erected at Mina where people like you love to visit them every now and then throwing pebbles at them and then invoke others to do the same. That's what I call the devil plot. 

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I feel sorry for the admnistrators/moderators, I realize they are not that different from the way the Arab league operates or the UN, bureacracy and hierarchy that produce no action, nothing.  In fact, they are even not up to the mission of free-minds described on the site.  Very sad.
I feel exactly the same about you. Indeed, very sad. It seems that you are following the footsteps of an insane ayatullah [aka 'the prophet of doom (mquran)].
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: mquran on August 08, 2006, 09:50:03 PM
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The specific ayat (10:92) doesn't mention Firaun by name. Another error. Have you yourself read this ayat?

Nice try, Everwhine. Too much 'dung sura' readings has clogged your brain. Why don't you try actually reading it instead of the misreading you usually do? From 10/90, who is being spoken to ? 10/92 addreses ONE person, not many , a fact you'd no doubt know if you're reading was 1/10th as good as your flatulent posting.



Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: mquran on August 08, 2006, 09:56:36 PM
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Myr:I will just tell one thing to all the members who do not believe in the Quran and in the ONE who revealed it.  There are plenty of other forums for you where you can express your "spirituality" if any.

Hear, hear.

Danish isn't here to 'express his sprituality'. He's here to defecate and urinate upon the beliefs of others. He has no other place to vent.

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I feel sorry for the admnistrators/moderators, I realize they are not that different from the way the Arab league operates or the UN, bureacracy and hierarchy that produce no action, nothing.  In fact, they are even not up to the mission of free-minds described on the site.  Very sad. 


One difference. The UN is a paper tiger while our mods have the power. They just choose not to use it. In my view, the Quranic response would be to eliminate troublemakers (defined as ppl who are out to insult and mock without ever having discussed anything) from this forum.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: mquran on August 08, 2006, 10:10:00 PM
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Danish: Listen, this forum is not designed specifically for people like you either, because you promote and believe in Hislam and reject Mislam and Codelam. Most people here that I've known do not believe in the crap you believe in and have drained them out of their system (such as salat, zakat, haj, etc.), so then why don't you do yourself a favor and dwell in sunni forums if this one hurts you that bad.


This goes to show that Everwhine lacks the basic intelligence to understand something so simple.

It's not about your opinion. It's about HOW YOU PRESENT your opinion. You don't present your opinion, you come and vomit out views of people you've never read like the suralikeit where you had to pretend to have read. You never answer for your views because lets face it, you lack the intelligence to do so.

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We are all here discussing this book called Quran in their own ways and by all means have the slightest decency to participate, listen and understand what everyone has to say.


Firstly, the book is called 'al-quraan', not 'quran', exposing your LACK of reading once again.

Secondly, 'slightest decency' you do NOT have. If you did, you wouldn't waste others people's time by not answering to their responses.

Your lack of character was exposed during the pork issue when you were worried that AQ wasn't catering to ppl who eat pigs. That shows your lack of integrity. You tried to pretend as if following AQ was actually abandoning God when in truth, you never believed in God at all. Just your ego.


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Certainly, I can very well understand your FEAR and DISRESPECT you've shown. You could have PM'ed your silly concern to mods/admins instead of provoking others and creating a menace. Don't waste your time if you work all day long and have no time for the mess you've gotten everyone into. Learn your lessons

Fear? lol...It's really laughable. If you really think your posting invoke fear, then lets debate. I think you need to beyond your pathetic 'drowning/preserved' contradiction. Maybe we can debate your fear of God is incorrect disaster ?


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The devils are erected at Mina where people like you love to visit them every now and then throwing pebbles at them and then invoke others to do the same. That's what I call the devil plot.


Yes, so chucking you down that hole would be appropriate , huh ?



Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: AhmedBahgat on August 08, 2006, 10:27:20 PM
I believe Danish post to sister Myr is bloody rude and only show how sick hearted that guy is, i used to like him but not any more he is a dirty enemy of Allah and must be fought hard until he meets his dreadful destiny in hell
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 08, 2006, 10:33:07 PM
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The specific ayat (10:92) doesn't mention Firaun by name. Another error. Have you yourself read this ayat?

Nice try, Everwhine. Too much 'dung sura' readings has clogged your brain. Why don't you try actually reading it instead of the misreading you usually do? From 10/90, who is being spoken to ? 10/92 addreses ONE person, not many , a fact you'd no doubt know if you're reading was 1/10th as good as your flatulent posting.
What a devilish twister? He ignores my response to his "evidence" (which was put to shame) and now starts tickling 10:90 instead of 10:92 and forgets about all other verses pertaining to Firaoun which explicity mentions about drowning both Firaoun and his people. What a pathetic joke you are? Even 10:90 talks about drowning not only Firaoun but his people as well and as per all other verses throughout the Qruan. I guess your "Allah" broke loose out your locked up kaba and flew down into the sea at lightning speed, dug Firaoun out, mustered him up and mummified him for future generation. Later, as "He" forgot about the rest, so "He" goes back to do the same thing with all others. Better study thoroughly and gulp down your useless brain the historicity and science of mummification and this link: http://www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5879.0.

As I said, you are nothing less than a madman, an insane ayatullah (aka 'the prophet of doom').
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 08, 2006, 10:34:19 PM
I believe Danish post to sister Myr is bloody rude and only show how sick hearted that guy is, i used to like him but not any more he is a dirty enemy of Allah and must be fought hard until he meets his dreadful destiny in hell
Hey, I like you nonetheless and better than the insane ayatullah (aka 'the prophet of doom').
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: mquran on August 08, 2006, 11:31:30 PM
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What a devilish twister? He ignores my response to his "evidence" (which was put to shame) and now starts tickling 10:90 instead of 10:92 and forgets about all other verses pertaining to Firaoun which explicity mentions about drowning both Firaoun and his people. What a pathetic joke you are? Even 10:90 talks about drowning not only Firaoun but his people as well and as per all other verses throughout the Qruan. I guess your "Allah" broke loose out your locked up kaba and flew down into the sea at lightning speed, dug Firaoun out, mustered him up and mummified him for future generation. Later, as "He" forgot about the rest, so "He" goes back to do the same thing with all others. As I said, you are nothing less than a madman, an insane ayatullah (aka 'the prophet of doom').

Before I go on , Danish, let me first thank you for not calling yourself a Muslim. Islam has already to put up with evil lunatics, but at least with you leaving the idiot element has one less to worry about.

We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to God in Islam)." (10/90)

Note : Firaun and his jund were following yes, but when the flood was being talked about, the phrase is 'idhaa adrakaHU al-gharaq' (when HE was overwhelmed by the flood). So, the reader doesn't need to worry about each soldier but should focus on Firaun who is being talked about.

Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (10/91)

Note: the 'qad asaita qabl' shows that once again, the focus is on Firaun.


This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!"

Note : the nunajjika bibadanika once again shows what happened to Firaun and his jund is completely forgotten.

So there's no need for your perverse fantasies about the kaaba and so on. Quit being a moron and do go learn how to read. Literacy is very important. There's no point in writing fecal-level poetry if you can't even read well.

Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 09, 2006, 12:14:29 AM
We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to God in Islam)." (10/90)

Note : Firaun and his jund were following yes, but when the flood was being talked about, the phrase is 'idhaa adrakaHU al-gharaq' (when HE was overwhelmed by the flood). So, the reader doesn't need to worry about each soldier but should focus on Firaun who is being talked about.

Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (10/91)

Note: the 'qad asaita qabl' shows that once again, the focus is on Firaun.


This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!"

Note : the nunajjika bibadanika once again shows what happened to Firaun and his jund is completely forgotten.
Brilliant. WOW! Reader must not worry about other soldiers but Firaun ONLY just because of 10:90-92 while forgetting 7:136, 17:103, 28:40, 43:55 and others. WHY and SAYS WHO? Was Firaun DROWNED or PRESERVED or both along with his soldiers? How and by whom? Have archeologists found this specific Firaun? Do you know anything about mummification and have you studied its histroicity, its science and the link I provided or are you simply venting your useless mind out over and over again? Besides, the verses are once again purely inconsistent and contradictory and you are trying extremely hard to defend it but you CANNOT.

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So there's no need for your perverse fantasies about the kaaba and so on. Quit being a moron and do go learn how to read. Literacy is very important. There's no point in writing fecal-level poetry if you can't even read well.
The perverse fantasies of kaba and the fecal-level poetry are your keepsake, not mine. I deserted your wonderland a long time ago.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: mquran on August 09, 2006, 12:32:12 AM
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Danish:Brilliant. WOW! Reader must not worry about other soldiers but Firaun ONLY just because of 10:90-92 while forgetting 7:136, 17:103, 28:40, 43:55 and others. WHY and SAYS WHO? Was Firaun DROWNED or PRESERVED or both along with his soldiers? How and by whom? Have archeologists found this specific Firaun? Do you know anything about mummification and have you studied its histroicity, its science and the link I provided or are you simply venting your useless mind out over and over again? Besides, the verses are once again purely inconsistent and contradictory and you are trying extremely hard to defend it but you CANNOT

I can see why you've resisted discussion for so long. You're even worse than ol Enquirer!

The author of AQ tells the reader what to focus on. Deal with it.

And, sad to say, the moron that you are, you cannot understand what AB was trying to tell you from the start:

Dead bodies don't drown. Living people drown. When they drown, its possible that their BODIES (no longer living, let me spell it out for you) are preserved.

I'm not interested in your links because I don't trust miscreant paindoos like you. I trust people who show veracity and you haven't done so, not being able to verify something immediate like 'the fear of allah is realistically, scientifically and logically incorrect'.


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The perverse fantasies of kaba and the fecal-level poetry are your keepsake, not mine. I deserted your wonderland a long time ago

So why did you defecate the Dung Sura of yours ? People who defecate like you must have only 'defecations' on the brain.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 09, 2006, 01:16:57 AM
Danish:Brilliant. WOW! Reader must not worry about other soldiers but Firaun ONLY just because of 10:90-92 while forgetting 7:136, 17:103, 28:40, 43:55 and others. WHY and SAYS WHO? Was Firaun DROWNED or PRESERVED or both along with his soldiers? How and by whom? Have archeologists found this specific Firaun? Do you know anything about mummification and have you studied its histroicity, its science and the link I provided or are you simply venting your useless mind out over and over again? Besides, the verses are once again purely inconsistent and contradictory and you are trying extremely hard to defend it but you CANNOT

I can see why you've resisted discussion for so long. You're even worse than ol Enquirer!
Missed my entire post again. Just can't take the heat.
 
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The author of AQ tells the reader what to focus on. Deal with it.
You don't even know who or what this author of AQ is and you expect people to blindly deal with it. Enforce the historic laws down people's throats or else start calling them names and if confronted, just slaughter them and send them to hell. That's the insane ayatullah way, aka 'the prophet of doom'. Study the history of AQ and how it came about, then have people focus on it. Get it, Mr. Brainless.

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And, sad to say, the moron that you are, you cannot understand what AB was trying to tell you from the start:

Dead bodies don't drown. Living people drown. When they drown, its possible that their BODIES (no longer living, let me spell it out for you) are preserved.
:rotfl: :brickwall: Yeah, coming out of an insane ayatullah, no wonder.

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I'm not interested in your links because I don't trust miscreant paindoos like you. I trust people who show veracity and you haven't done so, not being able to verify something immediate like 'the fear of allah is realistically, scientifically and logically incorrect'.
:rotfl: :brickwall: Not interested in the historicity and science of mummification, not interested in the link I provided, not interested in anything outside of Quran. No wonder I keep mentioning a useless brain that you are; an insane ayatullah (aka 'the prophet of doom').

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The perverse fantasies of kaba and the fecal-level poetry are your keepsake, not mine. I deserted your wonderland a long time ago

So why did you defecate the Dung Sura of yours ?
:rotfl: :brickwall: Dung surah only belongs to dung brains and that's why I defecated on you.

Keep posting more of your dung idiocies. You are doing just fine. I'll send you a Certificate of Insanity.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: AhmedBahgat on August 09, 2006, 01:35:45 AM
Danish

regardless you like me or not, you are a lost case indeed and if you continue to mock our religion I will indsult you bad even if this means banning me forever, at least I will do what I should do to a clear cut enemy of God

now listen carefully, regardless the issue of his body being reserved or not, 10:92 clearly said that his body was the only thing saved

now you need to burry your pinhead in an arab sand for about 10 days


and if you continue mocking God, i'm telling you bro, I will insult you really bad

Salam

you are such a loser bro
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: mustafa on August 09, 2006, 02:18:14 AM
In the Name of All?h, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

I am a Muslim by birth and by choice. I am not a person who follows a religion just because "someone" told them, for example close family and relatives like Parents, Grandparents. I am going to use my real name and be truthful to everyone because I am here to gain something, in a proper way. I have been a Sunni by birth. I studied the differences between the Sunni and Shi'a religion and what the other religions have to say about the differences. So far the only decision I have come up with is that I want to be "only" Muslim. That led me to this forum. The first thing I saw was this topic and the posts of Mr. Danish. I have many questions and concerns that I would like to clear up but the main one is about Mr. Rashad Khalifa claiming to be a prophet. I will post a topic and I would like for the members to find time to prove to me that I should choose to be a "Submitter", or as be like you all, "a hadith-free muslim".

As far as Danish goes, here are the translations from the Holy Qur'an of the mentioned Ayat. It will be easier for you to understand in English. Your concern seems to be the concept instead of the Arabic Language. As far as I know, Rashad Khalifa translated the world Islam and Muslim into English words, therefore I will get the English translation for the requested Ayats/Sentences. My Belief is that Muslims don't need a scholar to read the Qur'an, but then again Prophets were sent, and who is better than Prophets/God-chosen people to Interpret the meaning of the Qur'anic Ayats that we are having problems to interpret, and understand. In present times, it can be scholars, but only the Ayats that are NOT easy to understand. They can guide you by giving you proof from the Hadith or maybe the Qur'an itself. The translation for the following Ayats should be easy for any "person" with an average IQ to understand.

2:50 --- And (remember) when We separated the sea for you and saved you and drowned Fir'aun's
(Pharaoh) people while you were looking (at them, when the sea-water covered them).

28:40 --- So We seized him and his hosts, and We threw them all into the sea (and drowned them). So behold
(O Muhammad SAW) what was the end of the Z?lim?n [wrong-doers, polytheists and those who
disbelieved in the Oneness of their Lord (All?h), or rejected the advice of His Messenger M?sa
(Moses) >>].

17:103 --- So he resolved to turn them out of the land (of Egypt). But We drowned him and all who were with
him.

10:92 --- So this day We shall deliver your (dead) body (out from the sea) that you may be a sign to those
who come after you! And verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Ay?t (proofs, evidences,
verses, lessons, signs , revelations, etc.).

According to the Qur'an, it's not good to use the Qur'anic Ayats to prove your own point. Therefore I will not try to prove a point, but instead, I will post them to you. Like back in the days of our Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) and the Sahaba. On many occasions they read out a passage from the Qur'an and let the listener believe and understand for themselves, that's how people converted/ submitted to this beautiful religion, Islam. For those who question that, must know that there are people who are blind, dumb and deaf; not literally though. For these people, trying once or twice is enough. You cannot interpret and show them what you see, because a blind person can only hear about the truth, he or she may not be able to see it.

Salaam / Peace
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: mquran on August 09, 2006, 08:19:03 AM
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Missed my entire post again. Just can't take the heat

Really?

Well, if you feel so,  ask the moderators to moderate a debate on this issue and if you're proven wrong BY THEM, kindly take your pendu self out of here. I will now see if you have the guts to take this challenge.


Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 09, 2006, 02:11:40 PM
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Missed my entire post again. Just can't take the heat

Really?
Absolutely. The ONLY way you and your ilks like Ahmed can win over my criticisms is by abuse, threats and condemnation. A typical nature anchored in your brains. And that's how Islam began. Study the Quran's historicity and then read and understand it thoroughly. It is neither divine nor for all times. PERIOD.

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Well, if you feel so,  ask the moderators to moderate a debate on this issue and if you're proven wrong BY THEM, kindly take your pendu self out of here. I will now see if you have the guts to take this challenge.
You are not worth it as already witnessed and proven several times in the past and as recent as seen on this thread itself. Any discussion with a madman, an insane ayatullah (aka prophet of doom) is impossible.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: AhmedBahgat on August 09, 2006, 02:24:31 PM
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Missed my entire post again. Just can't take the heat

Really?
Absolutely. The ONLY way you and your ilks like Ahmed can win over my criticisms is by abuse, threats and condemnation. A typical nature anchored in your brains. And that's how Islam began. Study the Quran's historicity and then read and understand it thoroughly. It is neither divine nor for all times. PERIOD.

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Well, if you feel so,  ask the moderators to moderate a debate on this issue and if you're proven wrong BY THEM, kindly take your pendu self out of here. I will now see if you have the guts to take this challenge.
You are not worth it as already witnessed and proven several times in the past and as recent as seen on this thread itself. Any discussion with a madman, an insane ayatullah (aka prophet of doom) is impossible.

well Danish

I never abuse inncocent people

Salam
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 09, 2006, 02:28:41 PM
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Missed my entire post again. Just can't take the heat

Really?
Absolutely. The ONLY way you and your ilks like Ahmed can win over my criticisms is by abuse, threats and condemnation. A typical nature anchored in your brains. And that's how Islam began. Study the Quran's historicity and then read and understand it thoroughly. It is neither divine nor for all times. PERIOD.

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Well, if you feel so,  ask the moderators to moderate a debate on this issue and if you're proven wrong BY THEM, kindly take your pendu self out of here. I will now see if you have the guts to take this challenge.
You are not worth it as already witnessed and proven several times in the past and as recent as seen on this thread itself. Any discussion with a madman, an insane ayatullah (aka prophet of doom) is impossible.

well Danish

I never abuse inncocent people

Salam
Innocent people are not just Muslims.

The only way to end a war, is to end it, not bend it. And the only way to discuss matters, is to discuss them, not cuss them. For mquran especially and unforunately, neither works and has been displayed time and time again.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: AhmedBahgat on August 09, 2006, 02:32:33 PM
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Innocent people are not just Muslims.

Sure, in fact there are many muslims who are noot innocent

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The only way to end a war, is to end it, not bend it.

I agree but without me being bending to the enemy of my religion

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And the only way to discuss matters, is to discuss them, not cuss them.

look bro see how you mocked our religion in your postes to Myr and Mquran and you will understnaid why I'm upset from you

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For mquran especially and unforunately, neither works and has been displayed time and time again.

bro I care less with your ongoing war with Mquran, I onle care that during your war please donlt mock our religion, for you mocking God, I will leave you in peace doing that as I'm in no way here to defend Him, I'm only defending my religion

Salam
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 09, 2006, 02:48:36 PM
Innocent people are not just Muslims.

Sure, in fact there are many muslims who are noot innocent
Well, I'm glad you understand that. But you must also understand that all non-Muslims are humans too and majority of them innocent.

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The only way to end a war, is to end it, not bend it.

I agree but without me being bending to the enemy of my religion
That's a wrong concept and you cannot have both ways.

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And the only way to discuss matters, is to discuss them, not cuss them.

look bro see how you mocked our religion in your postes to Myr and Mquran and you will understnaid why I'm upset from you
They started it and I retaliated. Besides, let them speak for themselves as it is their beliefs too. Majority here don't believe in Haj and the ritual salaat, for example, like you do. Doesn't that mean mocking your beliefs as well.

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For mquran especially and unforunately, neither works and has been displayed time and time again.

bro I care less with your ongoing war with Mquran, I onle care that during your war please donlt mock our religion, for you mocking God, I will leave you in peace doing that as I'm in no way here to defend Him, I'm only defending my religion
Well, just like you and everyone criticise every word, phrase and paragraphs of Quran, I too criticise them. The difference is, I don't take Allah's name in vain when discussing and criticising the Quran, you and others do, and that is literally called mocking. Besides, the matter is between me and mquran, so please leave it at that.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: ik75243 on August 09, 2006, 03:29:06 PM
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Majority here don't believe in Haj and the ritual salaat, for example, like you do. Doesn't that mean mocking your beliefs as well.

i dont know if you've discovered this concept yet but there's a difference in mocking one's beliefs and/or DISAGREEING with them.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: AhmedBahgat on August 09, 2006, 04:03:30 PM
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Well, I'm glad you understand that.

It is not something new, it very well proven


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But you must also understand that all non-Muslims are humans too and majority of them innocent.

Innocent of what?, of mocking our religion?

We care less about those kafiroon, they are evey where mocking our religion and we are leaving them in peace now you want to come and mock us in our house as well?, are you idiot bro or what? Possibly na?ve?

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That's a wrong concept and you cannot have both ways.

Again both ways in my house?, no bro I will kick you out while welcoming you if you are respectful to my religion in my house

In other public forums where they mock Islam bad, you  can go there and satisfy your low desires, not in our house that we are trying hard to understand our Quran and you trying hard to increase the confusion delibertly?


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They started it and I retaliated.

Then mock them, not mock their religion, this tells me that you are a coward

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Besides, let them speak for themselves as it is their beliefs too.

Look, I?m not speaking on their behalf, I?m only speaking on my religion behalf because I strive to follow that religion, therefore don?t twist it and for me you are the perpetrator against my religion, other matters between you and them mean nothing to me.

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Majority here don't believe in Haj and the ritual salaat, for example,

No they are not nocking my religion, they are only confusd as far as I?m concerned and I?m doing my best to help them, I was once confused anyway, but not any more regarding my religion

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like you do.

a total lie, I pray 5 times and did Omrah, my wife did Hajj,  and will do Hajj to Mecca soon Inshallah

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Doesn't that mean mocking your beliefs as well.

No I?m not neither they are, but you and the likes of you do

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Well, just like you and everyone criticise every word, phrase and paragraphs of Quran,

I never criticise the Quran words, I actually do the opposite, are you confused bro or what?

I only criticise what the others say regarding the Quran words and I only do that when I can back it up from the same book.

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I too criticise them.

Fine and I accept that as long as you don?t mock my religion or Allah during the discussion you can mock me but not my religion and if you do mock my religion I will respond in very ugly manner, if you mock me I may forgive you and if you mock Allah I will leave you in peace, this is my rules bro if you want to respect them.

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The difference is, I don't take Allah's name in vain when discussing and criticising the Quran, you and others do,

Total non sense from a confused human like you, look how you mocked Allah you blind in the comments to Myr and Mquran, you are lying recklessly bro

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and that is literally called mocking.

that?s in your Barbie world

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Besides, the matter is between me and mquran,

Great both of you mock each other and leave my religion in peace, and you will be left in peace, only Mquan can respond to you and I?m sure he is capable of defending himself

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so please leave it at that.

only if you don?t mock my religion

Salam
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: soul2squeeze on August 09, 2006, 04:43:11 PM
Danish

Please name another pharoah that was found with signs of drowning if you are truthful. Do you even know of another one or are you making flagrant comments with zero proof?

I don't like to be unjust to others and I certainly don't like to see injustice and sit there idley. Your comments to Sis Myr were really rude and reminded me alot of the comments thrown in my direction not too long ago and before that the rude comments you threw at Bro MQuran which got me involved in that thread to begin with. How old are you to be acting so obnoxiously on a forum? I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt and I actually defended you to a few people on PM. But now I see this is a constant pattern with you. It's one thing if you have a different opinion. It's another thing when you're just plain mean to others and show no respect to yourself or others... which is understandable since you don't even respect your Creator.

At first I felt great sorrow for you and actually prayed for you to find peace in your heart and overcome any hardships you've faced that has lead to the erroneous conclusion that there could be no such thing as a Merciful God. But now I think you should just wisen up and have more integrity for yourself than to cheapen yourself and others by throwing cheap shots on a website. Every action has a reaction, Danish. Please treat others with the same amount of respect you would like them to treat you with.
Enough said.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 09, 2006, 04:55:25 PM
s2s,

Ignoring my previous post, then coming with an appology and now back to square one. How convenient. Respond to the following before you start your grunts again:

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I'd also like to add that they did tests on the body and found that this particular pharoah died specifically of drowning. He was put on tour in many cities of the world including many in the U.S. for the world to be witness.
Bring your evidence that it was ONLY one specific pharaoh who got drowned and then preserved? How did this specific pharaoh got mummified after drowning while several others have been found in the same state, shape and form? How does the world know that it was this specific pharaoh who troubled Moses among all others found? Did Moses?s people dived back into the deep open sea digging them out and preserving them or did the entire sea suddenly dried out after drowning them all so that Moses?s people could mummify them for future preservation? LOL, people are sounding sillier and crazier than I thought just to defend their ?divine? book. Here?s some more on this: http://www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5879.0.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 09, 2006, 05:04:21 PM
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Majority here don't believe in Haj and the ritual salaat, for example, like you do. Doesn't that mean mocking your beliefs as well.

i dont know if you've discovered this concept yet but there's a difference in mocking one's beliefs and/or DISAGREEING with them.
Perhaps you've not yet discovered what mocking Allah means by sidelining disagreements. Its just an excuse. Are you studying other members posts around here and witnessing how they mock their Allah.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: soul2squeeze on August 09, 2006, 05:11:39 PM
danish,
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Ignoring my previous post, then coming with an appology and now back to square one.

I kept wondering what it was that offended you from what I said. Because as far as I saw I wasn't attacking you in any posts. I apologized, not because I saw I was wrong and wanted to correct myself, but because you told me you felt offended. So I thought there must have been something somewhere that wasn't very nice of me to say. But now I know what offended you so much from your above quote. You don't like that I stand for what's decent and right. You would rather I read a post that is so rude to others and let it keep escalating as you did with Bro MQuran in the other thread, posting post after post with the same silly video clip and taunting him. You would rather I completely ignore it and since I told you it's uncalled for, as I do now again with Sis Myr, then all of a sudden I'm attacking you and I'm "back to square one". Sorry Danish, I don't play that game. I will not sit by and watch you treat people like crap and ignore it.

Forget deen since you don't follow it, how do you come off talking to "your fellow humans" like that? I'm giving you sincere advice you really need to stop attacking. I can give you some links to forums whose sole purpose is to bash Islam. Go there and run a muck. If you'd like to stay here, then by all means, have your opinions, ask important questions, bring up any issue you like, but don't attack others because you really just make yourself look so small. You should have more respect for yourself than to portray yourself in such a light.

Since you claim that alot of pharoahs drowned, why don't you come with the evidence to prove that?

Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 09, 2006, 05:19:34 PM
s2s,

Ignoring my previous post, then coming with an appology and now back to square one. How convenient. Respond to the following before you start your grunts again:

Quote from: ?Soul2Squeeze?
I'd also like to add that they did tests on the body and found that this particular pharoah died specifically of drowning. He was put on tour in many cities of the world including many in the U.S. for the world to be witness.
Bring your evidence that it was ONLY one specific pharaoh who got drowned and then preserved? How did this specific pharaoh got mummified after drowning while several others have been found in the same state, shape and form? How does the world know that it was this specific pharaoh who troubled Moses among all others found? Did Moses?s people dived back into the deep open sea digging them out and preserving them or did the entire sea suddenly dried out after drowning them all so that Moses?s people could mummify them for future preservation? LOL, people are sounding sillier and crazier than I thought just to defend their ?divine? book. Here?s some more on this: http://www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5879.0.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: soul2squeeze on August 09, 2006, 05:21:33 PM
danish

i don't grunt. rephrase with a respectful tone.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 09, 2006, 05:27:22 PM
danish

i don't grunt. rephrase with a respectful tone.
Answer my post above and stop weaning out of discussion and diverting attention. If you can't, then there's no need for me respond to you. You should have been respectful right from the start and not dodge issues. Comprende, LOL!
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: soul2squeeze on August 09, 2006, 05:30:02 PM
Look at the subject of this thread and you'll realize this IS the issue. It's not what you say, Danish it's how you say it that's bothering everyone. Be strong enough to learn from your mistakes and implement a change in your behavior.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 09, 2006, 05:37:46 PM
Look at the subject of this thread and you'll realize this IS the issue. It's not what you say, Danish it's how you say it that's bothering everyone. Be strong enough to learn from your mistakes and implement a change in your behavior.
Grunting again. Is this your habit or are you learning this behaviour from your superiors? Just answer the question, will you. Simple as that. Here it is again and will be repeated to consistently remind you:

YOU wrote the following:
Quote from: Soul2Squeeze
I'd also like to add that they did tests on the body and found that this particular pharoah died specifically of drowning. He was put on tour in many cities of the world including many in the U.S. for the world to be witness.
I responded:
Quote from: Danish
Bring your evidence that it was ONLY one specific pharaoh who got drowned and then preserved? How did this specific pharaoh got mummified after drowning while several others have been found in the same state, shape and form? How does the world know that it was this specific pharaoh who troubled Moses among all others found? Did Moses?s people dived back into the deep open sea digging them out and preserving them or did the entire sea suddenly dried out after drowning them all so that Moses?s people could mummify them for future preservation? LOL, people are sounding sillier and crazier than I thought just to defend their ?divine? book. Here?s some more on this: http://www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5879.0.
What so problematic? Can you or can you not respond or was your quote above a hoax?
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: soul2squeeze on August 09, 2006, 05:42:37 PM
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What so problematic? Can you or can you not respond or was your quote above a hoax?

If I didn't feel confident enough to enter the dialogue, I would have not posted the initial post of the recent archaeological discoveries. The issue is not whether I can or can't repsond. The issue is that you're ego is too big to retract your disrespectful statement, making you look smaller and smaller with each subsequent post.

I will repeat again. I don't grunt. Rephrase in a respectful tone. Try again.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 09, 2006, 05:52:31 PM
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What so problematic? Can you or can you not respond or was your quote above a hoax?

If I didn't feel confident enough to enter the dialogue, I would have not posted the initial post of the recent archaeological discoveries.
What recent archaeological discoveries are you talking about? Have they found the specific Firaun mentioned in the Quran? Did you browse the link I provided?

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The issue is not whether I can or can't repsond. The issue is that you're ego is too big to retract your disrespectful statement, making you look smaller and smaller with each subsequent post.
The issue is that you either won't or can't bring about the "evidence" of what you stated in your own quote as clearly seen and hence making all kinds of excuses on my person to divert this subject. What a hoot really? Very typical of members who can't stand me for my criticisms.

As mentioned earlier:
THE ONLY WAY TO END A WAR, IS TO END IT, NOT BEND IT. AND THE ONLY WAY TO DISCUSS MATTERS, IS TO DISCUSS THEM, NOT CUSS THEM.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: soul2squeeze on August 09, 2006, 06:48:28 PM
I'm happy you deleted the disrespectful comment in your last post and rephrased your question more peacefully. This makes me want to engage in dialogue with you instead of defending my character. Bravo for the visible improvement. I'd only hope that you continue to take your own advice:

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As mentioned earlier:
THE ONLY WAY TO END A WAR, IS TO END IT, NOT BEND IT. AND THE ONLY WAY TO DISCUSS MATTERS, IS TO DISCUSS THEM, NOT CUSS THEM.

As for the evidence, kindly research the name Mineptah to discover how archaelogists believe he was killed and how his body was saved from the irreversible damages of saltwater.

Before you jump to reply, I did read the thread you provided that discredited Bucaille with no evidence. Now you have the burden to show me where all the other pharaohs are that supposedly drowned as well and how you concluded that Bucaille is a fake. Being a doctor of a King is something called correlational evidence at best. Is everyone who is in contact with a king you don't like guilty by association? Or do we take what they say on their own merit?

Peace
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: mquran on August 10, 2006, 12:54:34 AM
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Absolutely. The ONLY way you and your ilks like Ahmed can win over my criticisms is by abuse, threats and condemnation. A typical nature anchored in your brains. And that's how Islam began. Study the Quran's historicity and then read and understand it thoroughly. It is neither divine nor for all times. PERIOD.

The fact that an abusive yet cowardly moron like you says that about AQ only proves AQ's divine nature. It wasn't meant to be understood by people with dung on the brains. Take a look at yourself Danish, you once told us that worshipping AQ is an obstacle to worshipping Allah and now you reject even God himself! That's a mark of what - stability? You need to be committed...and FAST.


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Danish:You are not worth it as already witnessed and proven several times in the past and as recent as seen on this thread itself. Any discussion with a madman, an insane ayatullah (aka prophet of doom) is impossible.

Lol, I thought so. Tell you what, if the moderators pronounce me unfit for discussion then *I* will leave. How bout that ? I'm more than happy to put my membership on the line because I'm confident in AQ. If you're confident in yourself, what's the problem?
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 10, 2006, 02:55:51 AM
As for the evidence, kindly research the name Mineptah to discover how archaelogists believe he was killed and how his body was saved from the irreversible damages of saltwater.
If it wasn't for the research already done, I wouldn't have provided you with the link (and other links within it) where members debated this issue. Besides, I doubt that you read or understood it thoroughly. Anyhow, here are some points to ponder and do your own research:

1. Merenptah is not Firaun.
2. Merenptah died a NATURAL DEATH at an OLD AGE.
3. Merenptah was mummified just like any other. In historic times, it was a sacred burial custom to do so.
4. There are abundance of mummified Pharoah found from various regions of the world that lived even long before Moses's time.
5. Animal mummies have also been found.
6. Did Allah forget to mention Merenptah in the Quran?
7. The story of sea splitting apart by a stick is ludicrous and simply a myth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merenptah
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/merenptah.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mummies
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0915_040915_petmummies.html

Now then, did Firaun and his soldiers got washed away in sea or were they preserved by their people, has yet to be answered? A clear contradiction. Besides, the repetitious story of Moses spread throughout the Quran is very inconsistent. This only tells me and as accurately as per Quranic compilation history and as well as 80:15, that the Quran is a collection of stories by several people put together.   
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: mquran on August 10, 2006, 03:07:58 AM
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Danish:If it wasn't for the research already done, I wouldn't have provided you with the link (and other links within it) where members debated this issue. Besides, I doubt that you read or understood it thoroughly. Anyhow, here are some points to ponder and do your own research:

This pendu seldom fails to make me laugh. He calls something 'research' because he reads about it. It never occurs to him that 'research' is something questionable. He only questions AQ due to his self-hate which makes him a biased fool.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: AhmedBahgat on August 10, 2006, 03:50:55 AM
Danish is nothing but a low grade confused enemy of God

He does not understand that his barbie contradiction has been refuted

he was ranting about 3 verses that contradict one verse, and clearly this has been refuted now he is rabting about reserving bodies

he does not fail to make me laugh, Hahahahahahah
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Magi on August 10, 2006, 04:52:03 AM
Wow, this is retarded. Im happy to see everyone so loyal to the teachings of their scriptures and apparent ethics. Everybody is spinning what eachother says, and this is therefore nothing close to a debate but.

(http://rvforsaleguide.com/trip/top20/LkPowell-mud4.JPG)

and im happy that yalls says yous smiling like the kids in the photo.

(http://www.ondmis.dk/billeder/forumpics/arguing.jpg)

YOUVE ALL WON. CONGRANTULATIONS!

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Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: soul2squeeze on August 10, 2006, 05:12:00 AM
Hello Danish

Mummification was the ancient religious form of a proper burial. Are you trying to tell me that if someone was killed or died of unnatural causes they would leave them to rot on the shore?
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 10, 2006, 06:27:21 AM
Are you trying to tell me that if someone was killed or died of unnatural causes they would leave them to rot on the shore?
What?? LOL! Where did you get that idea from? I'm afraid to say, that you really didn't understand what we have been talking about all along or perhaps not properly following through????  Read the points carefully again please, specially the last paragraph which is the main concern:

If it wasn't for the research already done, I wouldn't have provided you with the link (and other links within it) where members debated this issue. Besides, I doubt that you read or understood it thoroughly. Anyhow, here are some points to ponder and do your own research:

1. Merenptah is not Firaun.
2. Merenptah died a NATURAL DEATH at an OLD AGE.
3. Merenptah was mummified just like any other. In historic times, it was a sacred burial custom to do so.
4. There are abundance of mummified Pharoah found from various regions of the world that lived even long before Moses's time.
5. Animal mummies have also been found.
6. Did Allah forget to mention Merenptah in the Quran?
7. The story of sea splitting apart by a stick is ludicrous and simply a myth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merenptah
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/merenptah.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mummies
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0915_040915_petmummies.html

Now then, did Firaun and his soldiers got washed away in sea or were they preserved by their people, has yet to be answered? A clear contradiction. Besides, the repetitious story of Moses spread throughout the Quran is very inconsistent. This only tells me and as accurately as per Quranic compilation history and as well as 80:15, that the Quran is a collection of stories by several people put together.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: soul2squeeze on August 10, 2006, 07:10:27 AM
Peace Danish

Why is it an either/or statement? Why does it have to be that he either drowned OR he was preserved? Couldn't he have been killed in the sea and subsequently found and taken to have a proper religious burial by his people, hence mummified?
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 10, 2006, 07:55:18 AM
Peace Danish

Why is it an either/or statement? Why does it have to be that he either drowned OR he was preserved? Couldn't he have been killed in the sea and subsequently found and taken to have a proper religious burial by his people, hence mummified?
My dear, who are you talking about now, Firaun or Merenptah? We have already dicussed Merenptah, so shall we put this one aside and move on or are you still not satisfied even after presenting you with the stated factual points? And please don't make assumptions as to whether Firaun and his accomplices were swept away into sea or mummified or both or whether it was just Firaun and not his accomplices? The question of either/or statement IS the real concern making the specific verses either contradictory or inconsistent relevant to other similar verses. Besides, your question was already stated by mquran, so why repeat this again. I've talked about this and given enough evidence otherwise. Unless you bring about some real solid evidence of Firaun being killed at sea, drowned and swept away into sea and then somehow was found or fished out and lastly mummified, I am not buying such fanciful stories. The contradiction and inconsistencies to Moses stories remains intact.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Myr on August 10, 2006, 12:15:05 PM
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One difference. The UN is a paper tiger while our mods have the power. They just choose not to use it. In my view, the Quranic response would be to eliminate troublemakers (defined as ppl who are out to insult and mock without ever having discussed anything) from this forum.
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Salam mq,

Like what I call bananas institutions/gov., this forum moderators/administrators are also bananas.  If it was not the joke posted on their main website about God and HIS path ONLY, I would not have cared about their banana administrating/moderating (if any because I have not seen them moderating anything with the exception of moving a thread here and there and remove other threads here and there).
Anyway, let's the mockery continue and witness that the trash will generate only the trash as per the Quran.  So stay away from the devil.  Peace.  Myr
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 10, 2006, 01:38:25 PM
Anyway, let's the mockery continue and witness that the trash will generate only the trash as per the Quran.  So stay away from the devil.  Peace.  Myr
Exactamundo!!! "Heeeeere comes Johnny" the miscreant again calling for continued aggression. :yay:

Peace all. Seriously though, some people are just too weak, afraid, abusive and live their lives to instill terror. People are simply frightened to ask questions or criticise a book named Quran. I ask you Why? For pete's sake, its a book and that too an ancient one, not a venomous cobra or a rattle snake that will kill you instantly. I am so glad and thankfull to the UK and Pakistani authorities to stop the malicious terror plot about to generate. These are the very Islamic fascists, extremists and bigoted thugs who force Quranic rules in the name of Allah down people's throat in much the same way a few people here demonstrate. They are trying extremely hard to devolve humanity from advancing and keep them in their dungeons with zesty bananas. Its about time people sobre up and realise the beauty of nature and live in reality as humans and not as fearful fanatics.  must change their thoughts and compromise with all non-Muslims to achieve the unity everyone deserves. You must avoid living by the stringent rules of once-upon-a-time days in FEAR and DISGUISE and at the same time shake hands with others. That just won't happen. Sorry guys, had to blow this one out. :-[
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: soul2squeeze on August 10, 2006, 08:33:51 PM
Peace Danish

Firun is not a name. Firun = pharoah (any pharoah) in arabic. In Egypt you'll hear anyone say: el feruun ramsis, el feruun tut aankhamun, el feruun mubarak  ;D

just means the pharoah so-and-so. so Mineptah, having a temple and was mummified must have been royalty i.e. a pharoah (or firuun if you're saying it in arabic).

Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Elena on August 11, 2006, 03:12:57 AM
Peace

the kid in the photo is not 'retarded', he's is not even 'a disabled/handicapped person' but, as the correct, respectful words we should use, he is a 'person with mental/learning disability'. Person, the first.

Just to fix the disrespect showed placing the word 'retarded' under his image.



(http://www.ondmis.dk/billeder/forumpics/arguing.jpg)
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: salgan on August 11, 2006, 04:05:30 AM
Peace Elena

As we can see in to days world a lot of poloticians and religious leaders,show they have a mental/learning disability and I would not class the child as one .I would use the term special needs instead.

Peace Salim
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 11, 2006, 05:31:58 AM
Peace

the kid in the photo is not 'retarded', he's is not even 'a disabled/handicapped person' but, as the correct, respectful words we should use, he is a 'person with mental/learning disability'. Person, the first.

Just to fix the disrespect showed placing the word 'retarded' under his image.

(http://www.ondmis.dk/billeder/forumpics/arguing.jpg)

Witness mquran on British marathon trackfield. :bravo: :rotfl:
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Elena on August 11, 2006, 06:25:42 AM
Peace Salgan

Peace Elena
As we can see in to days world a lot of poloticians and religious leaders,show they have a mental/learning disability and I would not class the child as one .I would use the term special needs instead.

yes, I recommended the terms used in the psychology field in UK, but yes, sounds better.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Magi on August 11, 2006, 08:11:58 AM
peace Elena

In Denmark where political corectness hasnt poluted our communication that much yet. The kid is retarded. The very difinition of the word retareed suggest what you just said yourself. Retarded is not a bad word just because you and a bunch of moralists think so. My best freinds brother is retarded, and none of us, or him for that matter, has a problem with him being so.

death to political corectness
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Elena on August 11, 2006, 09:48:56 AM
Peace Magi,

"death to political corectness"   :D  yeah, death

the comment was not against you but the people who created the joke,

 and if the word retarded is not insulting /disrespectful, why was it used  to moke people that argue on the net?

About the word being correct in Denmark, it is a bit strange for me, I know it is not correct at all in Spain, UK, Sweden and Canada. Could you check if it is really as you say there? in the psychology field, please, not in moralist fields :-)

Peace
Elena
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Lobster on August 11, 2006, 10:03:22 AM
peace

 I don't think there should be any action taken against Danish.


agree with Magi about political correctness, but we should make some effort to not offend others. No one benifits from offensive language, whether it should be offensive or not.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 11, 2006, 03:28:41 PM
Firun is not a name. Firun = pharoah (any pharoah) in arabic. In Egypt you'll hear anyone say: el feruun ramsis, el feruun tut aankhamun, el feruun mubarak  ;D
Yes, I know that already from the link I preiously provided. Pharoah is a title given to royalities such as kings, rulers, etc. But again, one of my points was that did Allah forget to mention this specific Pharoah who troubled Moses. Also, were Issa and Musa the real names of these prophets of God?

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just means the pharoah so-and-so. so Mineptah, having a temple and was mummified must have been royalty i.e. a pharoah (or firuun if you're saying it in arabic).
Once again, if Pharoah is a general title of so-and-so, and Merenptah as we've determined, was not the Pharoah who troubled Moses, and knowing that several Pharoah found, then which Pharoah are we now talking about that specifically troubled Moses with his army? Besides, my previous points has yet to addressed.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: ThePink on August 11, 2006, 03:37:08 PM
Danish,

Actually, I was not making a judgement call on you, but merely asking rhetorical questions for consideration.  It is true that many people seem to have a beef with you, and I asked if the situation is becoming disruptive or is perhaps your arguments serve a purpose.  I do like the name thepinky that you referred to me with, maybe I will change my nickname.  
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As for all of this nonsense going on in this thread, I think more than a few people are being disruptive and carrying this argument to the detriment of the forum.  I especially find it distasteful when people seek to label someone as for or against god.  That sounds too close to takfir for me.  That said, I really haven't been following this argument and I hope that it stops.  It is tiring when people bring their argument with someone to every thread a person is on.  In fact, it is cyberstalking when people do that.  Please leave your arguments in the original threads and quit mucking up all the rest of them.....and this is to everyone who is doing this.  There is nothing more tedious than reading a discussion and person A posts an answer and person B, who doesn't like person A, comes on that thread and starts crap with that person -usually about something that is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.  Furthermore, this name calling and bashing of each other is childish and I believe it is against the tenants of the Qur'an.  
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Once I hook up my new keyboard, I am going to type out and post my notes from argumentive writing on the topic 'When it is useless to have a discussion?'  To sum it up now however, it is usually when:

a. people are so fanatical about their pov that there is no chance of movement in any direction;

b. when people require absolute proof on everything and refuse to grant even minimal shared assumptions as true. For example, say the topic is 'Is the Hajj a literal or symbolical pilgrimage?' Now the unstated assumption is that the Qur'an is real. Person A, who believes the Qur'an is the word of God says literal and explains why. Person b, who also accepts the assumtion that the Qur'an is real says no, it is symbolical and proceeds to state their reasons. The person C shows up and  doesn't believe in God or the Qur'an so thus doesn't accept the basic assumption of the topic.  Person C then says it doesn't exist at all because the Qur'an is false and demands proof that the Qur'an is not false. Now persons A and B are forced to address this issue which now leads the discussion completely away form the original topic. Some mind not mind the new direction, but many find it irritating to say the least. It is useless to try to have a discussion when the very basic assumptions are not accepted by the members of the discussion/audience. It will just go around in a regressive circle (esp. when absolute proof is demanded) and the original topic is lost.  

To reiterate, it can be very tiring if 2 people are on the same page regarding the unstated assumptions and having a discussion, for a third person to waltz in and start arguing about the assumptions.  If anyone is guilty of this, and we all have been at some point I am sure, then we need to stop this behavior.  At the very least, make a new thread to debate the assumptions that you disagreed with in the original thread instead of mucking it up for everyone else who is interested in the original topic.

Thank you very much and have a nice day.

The Pink
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Danish on August 11, 2006, 03:55:49 PM
peace

I don't think there should be any action taken against Danish.

agree with Magi about political correctness, but we should make some effort to not offend others. No one benifits from offensive language, whether it should be offensive or not.
Appreciate your support. As mentioned several times, that all these people who have no desire to DISCUSS but only CUSS are the ones who cannot take my strong criticisms. Take an example of this "jew muslim"( :rotfl:) cultish individual who started this thread. Surprisingly enough, there's not one person who has condemned the disparaging behaviour of mquran. This only displays their own egocentric attitudes to support such venemous counterparts and hence their blind beliefs.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: ThePink on August 11, 2006, 05:11:23 PM
Danish,

I looked for your introductory post but did not find it.  Did you make an introduction? If not, would you mind giving me a bit of your background?  Have you ever considered yourself muslim, do you now?  What is your viewpoint on the Qur'an?  What is your viewpoint on God?  I am just curious.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: ik75243 on August 11, 2006, 05:12:19 PM
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  As mentioned several times, that all these people who have no desire to DISCUSS but only CUSS

Describes you in a nutshell ! Such hypocrisy !  :rotfl: Have you ever discovered the MIRROR?
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: bmbmm on August 12, 2006, 05:28:13 AM
what action do you think will be appropriate?

Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Magi on August 13, 2006, 02:09:12 AM
Peace Magi,

"death to political corectness"   :D  yeah, death

the comment was not against you but the people who created the joke,

 and if the word retarded is not insulting /disrespectful, why was it used  to moke people that argue on the net?

About the word being correct in Denmark, it is a bit strange for me, I know it is not correct at all in Spain, UK, Sweden and Canada. Could you check if it is really as you say there? in the psychology field, please, not in moralist fields :-)

Peace
Elena

peace Elena

sorry but im developing an allergy to political corectness. I mean it gives me ticks :D

It is no more hurtfull than saying disabled, slow learning, slow etc. Its not the words, but its invokation that is the "bad" about it. Retardeded is just someone slow at things, learning, emotions, as in saying "please retard your anger a little"

All fields get infested with political corectness. A dwarf in terms of these people you mention is vertically challenged. And a fat person is horisontally challenged. Im well aware that they along the line chose new political corect names, because the public refuse to change their use.
But have they then ovoided mockery for the "victim" of the mindstate? No, because the public will just use a new word against normal working people, when they want to portray them as a retard. Oh...youve got special needs dont you? Its the same insult without using the now "not pilitical correct" retard, just another wording of it. So what good did the political corectness do? well it surely as always muddied the waters of the language.
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: Elena on August 13, 2006, 06:18:28 AM


peace Elena

sorry but im developing an allergy to political corectness. I mean it gives me ticks :D

I know I know :)

It is no more hurtfull than saying disabled, slow learning, slow etc. Its not the words,

yes, it is the words, let me clarify, any adjective is wrong, disabled, handicapped, etc, but if saying "person with..."  we are implying the most important, that it's is about a person with this or that, exactly as when we talk about any other person, in other words, the person is .. and has .. many things, not only disability, it is not to focus on the disability, e,g, many things could be said about the child of the photo: he  is a sportchil, an actor, he is given a few reponsabilities, he is a child with handicraft skills, the disability it is just one of his things, but if we use adjectives we are focusing just on one of them.

I hope you got me now, if not, never mind. :-)

Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: ThePink on August 13, 2006, 02:48:20 PM
Fair enough Danish.  I went back put lines in my post so that it clearly doesn't seem directed at you solely.  Only the first paragraph was.  Personally, I don't want to get involved in these little tit-for-tat flame wars that occur on forums because it bores me.  I am not sure what can be done to bring peace to this forum but I think some reflecting and soul searching by everyone is due. 

Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: yfn123 on August 15, 2006, 08:13:04 PM
Peace mquran,

In my view, the Quranic response would be to eliminate troublemakers (defined as ppl who are out to insult and mock without ever having discussed anything) from this forum.

I understand it is your view, but what is the view stated in the quran in regards to people who insult and mock it?

Anwar Azim
Title: Re: WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
Post by: lovelymoslems on August 18, 2006, 11:24:15 AM
Hello Myr,

I have not once disrespected you and neither have you discussed any matters with me. Are you afraid of my criticisms or your book? If you are afraid of your book, then all you need is to discuss my criticisms presented. Here's one just for you:

According to the Quran, was Firoun and his troops drowned (2:50, 28:40, 17:103) or were they preserved (10:92)? Would you call this mocking or defecations and urinations as mquran would have put it? Are you willing to discuss this matter with me along with other Moses's tales?
Danish is non moslem, he keens to know about Islam and Al quran, he might had learned al Quran intensively - not from Moslems but - from parties may be opposite to Islam, by which he compiles all verses that he thinks controvenes. Any way his logic should be appreciated, he invites us to think similarly to him.

The coming of prophets are to make down all super power's kingdom to be replaced by Allah's kingdom. QS. 2:50, 28:40, 17:103 telling the victory Moses against Pharaoh, whilst QS.10:92 telling his dead body was found (might to be balmed), what's wrong ?