Salam Alaykum!
Please have a look at the linked article. Sorry for the bad English, but I think the sense should be comprehensible...
http://hanif.de/?p=2513
What do you think? We would be happy about any comments!
Peace,
Timur
Salaam Timur,
Please don?t take this the wrong way, as this is just my opinion on how I see things.
I think we must try to work forward not backwards when we do our research.
If we work backwards then we al ready have in mind what we want to have for a result. In this way it?s very dangerous that you will take words and verses out of context just to let them fit a theory/thing you want to proof.
Salaam,
Bender
Salam Bender,
thank you for your comment.
If you don't agree that AL NAQOuR means clicking device, please tell us what it actually means according to your opinion. NaQaRa has nothing to do with blowing into something and thus cannot be related to a horn or a trumpet. We even have a different term that refers to blowing into something as shown in the article.
Example from 50:20:
ونفخ فى الصور
Wa-NoFeKha FY AL-SOUR
And blown (is) in the Horn
Even there we should consider that AL SOUR means something different from "Horn/ Trumpet". In our German translation we translated it as "And blown is in the form".
Even though it seems very likely that AL NAQOuR is actually the computer, maybe it does not refer to the computer, but to something we cannot understand yet. However it is very clear, that AL NAQOuR is not a horn or a trumpet.
Salam,
Timur
Quote from: Timur on February 14, 2012, 08:56:15 AM
Even though it seems very likely that AL NAQOuR is actually the computer, maybe it does not refer to the computer, but to something we cannot understand yet. However it is very clear, that AL NAQOuR is not a horn or a trumpet.
Salaam,
I agree with the highlighted part above.
May Allah guide us all to His true path :pr
mmKhan
Salam
Even google translater understand arabic better than the arab exegeses.
Type this sentence in google traslator (http://translate.google.de/?hl=de&tab=wT#ar%7Cen%7C%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%82%D8%B1%20%D9%85%D9%81%D8%A7%D8%AA%D9%8A%D8%AD%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D9%88%D8%AD%D8%A9%20%D8%A3%D9%88%20%D8%A3%D9%86%D9%82%D8%B1%20%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%89%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B7): انقر مفاتيح اللوحة أو أنقر على الرابط
and see the results: "Click panel keys or click on the link"
Why do we have to pretend, not to understand: 74:24 Do they not reflect on the Quran? Or are there locks on their hearts?
Salam
Computers are tools/adding machines that existed for centuries from abacus to vacuum tubes, punch cards to keyboards, and now voice activated inputs, sensors, etc and it's always people with least understanding of basic computing and simple logic/probability that hallucinate get infatuated with numerology and work it backwards.
Peace!
Quote from: Timur on February 14, 2012, 08:56:15 AM
Salam Bender,
thank you for your comment.
If you don't agree that AL NAQOuR means clicking device, please tell us what it actually means according to your opinion. NaQaRa has nothing to do with blowing into something and thus cannot be related to a horn or a trumpet. We even have a different term that refers to blowing into something as shown in the article.
Example from 50:20:
ونفخ فى الصور
Wa-NoFeKha FY AL-SOUR
And blown (is) in the Horn
Even there we should consider that AL SOUR means something different from "Horn/ Trumpet". In our German translation we translated it as "And blown is in the form".
Even though it seems very likely that AL NAQOuR is actually the computer, maybe it does not refer to the computer, but to something we cannot understand yet. However it is very clear, that AL NAQOuR is not a horn or a trumpet.
Salam,
Timur
Salaam Timur,
sorry for the late reply, forgot to reply
I am sorry I have never studied what the meaning of AL NAQOuR might be.
But if I look at the verses before and after 74:8, a computer is the last thing I would think of.
I don't understand how a computer or any man made device will be something not easy for the kafireen.
Please also note how that verse begins, compare it with for example the first verses of chapter 81 or 82.
salaam,
Bender
Salam Bender,
QuoteBut if I look at the verses before and after 74:8, a computer is the last thing I would think of.
I don't understand how a computer or any man made device will be something not easy for the kafireen.
Due to new communication technologies it has become more difficult for the rejecters to uphold their lies. Right at this particular moment the internet gives us the opportunity to agglomerate our powers in order to find the truth and unfold the lies and mistakes of traditionalist scholars: Not an easy time for the rejecting people! Please also think about, how the code 19 was actually discovered (by the use computers). Moreover, nothing is really man-made. Everything happens with God's will. This also applies to computer technology.
QuotePlease also note how that verse begins, compare it with for example the first verses of chapter 81 or 82.
Sorry, I don't get your point.
Salam,
Timur
Peace :)
27:82 When the punishment has been deserved
by them, We will bring out for them a
creature made of earthly material, it will
speak to them that the people have been
unaware regarding Our signs.
Note that 2+7+8+2=19
Note that 74:8 is in the chapter speaking of 19, and it is described as 74:36 A warning to people.
54:1 The moment drew near, and the moon
was split.
74:32 No, by the moon
...
74:35 It is one of the great ones.
In the year 1969, astronauts went to the moon and brought back pieces of it to the Earth. In the same year, Rashad Khalifa began the research which would lead to the discovery of "One of the great ones". Note that the oath by the Gracious which leads to "One of the greatest" (signifying its seriousness/importance) is "by the moon", in the chapter describing the mathematical code, describing its effect on the people, etc.
Also note the verses are speaking of either a worldly retribution (since a messenger came, was belied, ridiculed, then murdered) or the Day of Judgment, which... is also the final worldly retribution, and since mathematics is a universal language, and Rashad's message, if it has not yet entirely, will reach all nations in the future, and considering the undeniable corruption of the world's governments and the growing potential of their unity lead by one leading nation (most likely Israel), we're seeing something similar to Pharaoh or the people of Noah, or Aad, or Thamud, etc... worldwide.
Also note:
28:59 Your Lord never annihilates the towns
without sending a messenger to their
capital, to recite Our signs to them. We
never annihilate the towns unless their
people are wicked.
21:1 The judgment of people has come near,
while they are turning away unaware.
21:2 When a reminder comes to them from
their Lord that is new, they listen to it
while playing.*
21:3 Their hearts are preoccupied, and those
who are wicked confer privately: "Is he
not a human being like you? Would
you accept this magic while you
know?"
21:4 Say, "My Lord knows what is said in
the heavens and in the earth, and He is
the Hearer, the Knower."
[34:46] Say, "I ask you to do one thing: Devote yourselves to GOD, in
pairs or as individuals, then reflect. Your friend is not crazy. He
is a manifest warner to you, just before the advent of a terrible
retribution."
In the same year Rashad put the Qur'an into a computer, Apollo 11 went to the moon and brought pieces of it back to Earth. 54:1
The moment drew near, and the moon
was split.
54:46 The moment is their appointed time, and
the moment is far worse and more
painful.
"...just before the advent of a terrible retribution", and "The moment drew near" are connected, as you have already read regarding my theory, it is most likely speaking of worldwide retribution, and with "The moment" we can be sure this is referring to the Final Retribution, The Day of Judgment, The Day of Resurrection.
We could read this as: "Your friend (Rashad Khalifa) is not crazy. He
is a manifest warner to you, just before the advent of a terrible
retribution."
Rashad= 505 (gematrical value)
Khalifa= 725
Chapter 34
Verse 46
By putting these numbers together we get 5057253446=19x266171234
Thanks
Peace
Salam all
for me no problem if the creature is a computer. But a computer don't speak- its always the human behind the computer who speak - it's a detail - for me also no problem to wait for a creature (as in the hollywood film ) who 'speaks' with the human... ;D
QuoteIn the year 1969, astronauts went to the moon and brought back pieces of it to the Earth. In the same year, Rashad Khalifa began the research which would lead to the discovery of "One of the great ones". Note that the oath by the Gracious which leads to "One of the greatest" (signifying its seriousness/importance) is "by the moon", in the chapter describing the mathematical code, describing its effect on the people, etc.
you are sure from this fact??
...
Salam :)
Peace mirjamnur.
[54:1]:
اقتَرَبَتِ السّاعَةُ وَانشَقَّ القَمَرُ
[54:2]
وَإِن يَرَوا ءايَةً يُعرِضوا وَيَقولوا سِحرٌ مُستَمِرٌّ
وَكَذَّبوا وَاتَّبَعوا أَهواءَهُم وَكُلُّ أَمرٍ مُستَقِرٌّ
I also believe the astronauts left the moon at 00:54:01 returning back?
Peace.
Salam Good logic
Allahu alem :)
peace
Quote from: good logic on January 10, 2013, 02:10:54 PM
Peace mirjamnur.
[54:1]:
اقتَرَبَتِ السّاعَةُ وَانشَقَّ القَمَرُ
[54:2]
وَإِن يَرَوا ءايَةً يُعرِضوا وَيَقولوا سِحرٌ مُستَمِرٌّ
وَكَذَّبوا وَاتَّبَعوا أَهواءَهُم وَكُلُّ أَمرٍ مُستَقِرٌّ
I also believe the astronauts left the moon at 00:54:01 returning back?
Peace.
Salaam,
00:54:01 of the earth or 00:54:01 of the moon :hmm
If earth then which country :hmm
If moon then what time is it now on the place they left the moon :hmm
Salaam,
bender
Peace Bender.
There was only one country that sent the astronauts to the moon in 1969.
The time was earth time of course..
Peace.
Quote from: good logic on January 10, 2013, 04:47:05 PM
Peace Bender.
There was only one country that sent the astronauts to the moon in 1969.
The time was earth time of course..
Peace.
Salaam,
So I guess we have to look at Houston time :hmm
Just 1 more question, 00:54:01 is a very acurate time, but I can't see the year, do you know also where in The Quran we can find the year 1969?
I already checked verse 19:69 but no mention of the moon there :nope:
Salaam,
Bender
Peace Bender.
No I do not know where you can find the year.
All I know is that the two events follow each other. 54:1 and 54:2.
Peace.
Quote from: mirjamnur on January 10, 2013, 10:29:47 AM
Salam all
no problem to wait for a creature (as in the hollywood film ) who 'speaks' with the human...
...
Salam :)
Salaam
i have a problem in believing in that.
However, creature in 27-82 can also be the web
web crawls everywhere on earth.
we are communicating between us thank to it.
it can explain to truth seeker that he was unaware of god revelations
it protects truth seekers against "super-muslims".
Has no mind and we find quite every thing in it, the bad and the good
cannot be jailed by dictators
.....
....
Peace
Salam :)
Quote from: noshirk on January 21, 2013, 06:54:18 AM
Salaam
i have a problem in believing in that.
However, creature in 27-82 can also be the web
web crawls everywhere on earth.
we are communicating between us thank to it.
it can explain to truth seeker that he was unaware of god revelations
it protects truth seekers against "super-muslims".
Has no mind and we find quite every thing in it, the bad and the good
cannot be jailed by dictators
.....
....
Peace
it protects truth seekers against "super-muslims". :yay: :yay:
thank you! (even if the beast = net not convinced me, that was great!)
Salam
Quote from: noshirk on January 21, 2013, 06:54:18 AM
Salaam
i have a problem in believing in that.
However, creature in 27-82 can also be the web
Has no mind and we find quite every thing in it, the bad and the good
cannot be jailed by dictators
.....
....
Peace
I like that ;)
salaam
Whenever someone performs eisegesis, the art of reading knowledge into an old text, I seem to be asking the same questions:
1. is the word in question really directing the meaning into a single direction? IE: is a PC the only thing that can be associated with click? Would there be a better expression for a computer?
2. why would the Koran write in puzzles? Why not say "adding machine which can be controlled by a remote device" if the intended meaning is a computer?
3. is the Koran wrong when or as soon as there are no computers with a mouse? What about later, when we tap on links and the mouse has disappeared? What about the 200,000 years before a human invented the mouse?
4. if the computer, the mouse or the link was mentioned for so long, why did non-Muslims invent computers, the web and the mouse?
5. why would mentioning the computer be so impressive? Isn't the bicycle or electricity just as versatile?
6. would a Koran mentioning random technical things make for better believers or a smoother way to salvation for believers?