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wow egypt, that's interesting
Quote from: Sarah on August 24, 2009, 01:41:08 AM
wow egypt, that's interesting
I wonder who they are and what salat were they performing.
Ooh mixed prayers. Cool.
So is it ok now to have mixed prayers?the last time I was in Egypt there were only men and women section in mosques.
Quote from: Samia on August 24, 2009, 01:38:07 AM
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:o OMG mixed prayers! :yay:
Quote from: Erisa on August 24, 2009, 04:28:02 AM
So is it ok now to have mixed prayers?the last time I was in Egypt there were only men and women section in mosques.
prob still is like that. they may have prayed together to make tokenistic statement.
Salam Samia,
can you provide us with any background context or how you obtained this picture?
Quote from: Samia on August 24, 2009, 01:38:07 AM
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enjoy? ???
estaghfirullah, that is clearly haram!
Quote from: Sarat on August 31, 2009, 01:23:29 AM
Salam Samia,
can you provide us with any background context or how you obtained this picture?
From an Egyptian forum:
http://www.egyptianoasis.net/forums/showthread.php?t=27693
A group of people chanting incantations they don't even need to understand and adopting various physical postures. So now they do this in a mixed sex group. So what?
Quote from: Roshan on August 31, 2009, 06:22:34 AM
A group of people chanting incantations they don't even need to understand and adopting various physical postures. So now they do this in a mixed sex group. So what?
Well many people would see that and say "haraaaaaaaaam" ... anyway, that's what my husband would say if he saw that. ;D
Quote from: aynur on September 01, 2009, 01:32:39 PM
Well many people would see that and say "haraaaaaaaaam" ... anyway, that's what my husband would say if he saw that. ;D
I cannot see the problem of mixed prayers, why shouldn't they be mixed?
Quote from: Rev.John on September 01, 2009, 01:35:26 PM
I cannot see the problem of mixed prayers, why shouldn't they be mixed?
Ask the traditionalists.
@ Samia
What did the people on the Egyptian forum say? What was the general impression their?
Quote from: Rev.John on September 01, 2009, 01:35:26 PM
I cannot see the problem of mixed prayers, why shouldn't they be mixed?
According to traditional Islam, the men are supposed to be in the front and the women behind (or in a different room, if it's a mosque). If it's mixed then the men will be distracted, I guess. ;)
Quote from: aynur on September 01, 2009, 01:41:01 PM
According to traditional Islam, the men are supposed to be in the front and the women behind (or in a different room, if it's a mosque). If it's mixed then the men will be distracted, I guess. ;)
So women cannot get distracted looking at the men in front of them?
Quote from: Rev.John on September 01, 2009, 01:44:00 PM
So women cannot get distracted looking at the men in front of them?
:rotfl: good one! :bravo:
Quote from: Rev.John on September 01, 2009, 01:44:00 PM
So women cannot get distracted looking at the men in front of them?
hahah I'm sure, but men are more visually stimulated, as far as what I understand.
Quote from: Rev.John on September 01, 2009, 01:44:00 PM
So women cannot get distracted looking at the men in front of them?
Sssssssshhhhhhh...! Dont tell the traditionalists.
Quote from: Rev.John on September 01, 2009, 01:44:00 PM
So women cannot get distracted looking at the men in front of them?
yes they can be distracted too, thats why women are also required to lower their gaze.
Quote from: RasulHamsa on September 01, 2009, 02:59:02 PM
yes they can be distracted too, thats why women are also required to lower their gaze.
they are more distracted?
Quote from: progressive1993 on September 01, 2009, 01:48:23 PM
Sssssssshhhhhhh...! Dont tell the traditionalists.
I won't if you don't :laugh:
Quote from: progressive1993 on September 01, 2009, 01:38:02 PM
Ask the traditionalists.
@ Samia
What did the people on the Egyptian forum say? What was the general impression their?
The posters are a mixture of quraan aloners and traditionalists, and none of them was against it. One decided that he wont let his family join in such a prayer because this prayer (congregational or Eid) is not obligatory to women. Another said that it's well organized in the sense that families are together. Some compared it to the prayer in Makkah. So no much opposition, or no rejection at all.
ah it was eid prayer, how interesting.
prayer in makkah was mixed? thats news to me
Quote from: Sarah on September 01, 2009, 10:16:11 PM
ah it was eid prayer, how interesting.
prayer in makkah was mixed? thats news to me
Men and women should always be allowed to prey together. God does not see a difference between male and famale
Quote from: Rev.John on September 02, 2009, 02:43:30 AM
Men and women should always be allowed to prey together. God does not see a difference between male and famale
:bravo: exactly.
Quote from: Rev.John on September 02, 2009, 02:43:30 AM
Men and women should always be allowed to prey together. God does not see a difference between male and famale
Yeh i don't have a problem with it. Though i don't think its bad to take into consideration cultural sensitive issues. I dont' have a problem praying behind men, not 'cos they're better (cos men are not :P ) but as a respect thing.
Quote from: Sarah on September 01, 2009, 10:16:11 PM
ah it was eid prayer, how interesting.
prayer in makkah was mixed? thats news to me
And still
is, during hajj.
oh ok, never been so wouldn't know
Quote from: Sarah on September 02, 2009, 03:08:48 AM
Yeh i don't have a problem with it. Though i don't think its bad to take into consideration cultural sensitive issues. I dont' have a problem praying behind men, not 'cos they're better (cos men are not :P ) but as a respect thing.
ouch...
lol they're not any better or worse than women ;)
Though in society (generally) men have social power, regardless of creed.
Quote from: Sarah on September 03, 2009, 03:20:50 AM
lol they're not any better or worse than women ;)
Though in society (generally) men have social power, regardless of creed.
It's funny, my sermon on Sunday was about the equality of women and how, in many cases, women are better than men. Went down well (with the women). :laugh:
Quote from: Rev.John on September 03, 2009, 10:04:22 AM
It's funny, my sermon on Sunday was about the equality of women and how, in many cases, women are better than men. Went down well (with the women). :laugh:
no way! :rotfl: LOL!
Quote from: MUNZIR ALI on September 03, 2009, 10:05:34 AM
no way! :rotfl: LOL!
Yes, I'm sure I upset some of the guys
Quote from: Rev.John on September 03, 2009, 10:07:33 AM
Yes, I'm sure I upset some of the guys
Haha i bet you did! but they're not better.
I think being a boy would be better in my situation anyway
Quote from: Sarah on September 04, 2009, 02:09:44 AM
Haha i bet you did! but they're not better.
I think being a boy would be better in my situation anyway
Why?
Different responsibilty, more freedom, less headaches
Quote from: Sarah on September 04, 2009, 10:56:12 AM
Different responsibilty, more freedom, less headaches
:rotfl: We all know how women use headaches as an excuse.
Isn't it funny how many men think women have it easy, and many women think that men have it easy?
Quote from: Rev.John on September 04, 2009, 01:11:19 PM
:rotfl: We all know how women use headaches as an excuse.
Isn't it funny how many men think women have it easy, and many women think that men have it easy?
yes that is true.
Quote from: Rev.John on September 04, 2009, 01:11:19 PM
:rotfl: We all know how women use headaches as an excuse.
Isn't it funny how many men think women have it easy, and many women think that men have it easy?
Actually i rarely get headaches, maybe once or twice a year not even. what i mean it less stress.
Men do have it easy, today in society us females need to be superwomen whilst men just get on being themselves.
Anyway in my household men have it better.
Quote from: Sarah on September 04, 2009, 07:58:28 PM
Actually i rarely get headaches, maybe once or twice a year not even. what i mean it less stress.
Men do have it easy, today in society us females need to be superwomen whilst men just get on being themselves.
Anyway in my household men have it better.
That is unfortunate, men and women should be equal. There are somethings that men can do better than women, but there are also many things women can do better than men
it's not exactly about equality. it's about social conformation through socially constructed norms. guess it is a shame though i'm dealing with it.
Quote from: Sarah on September 04, 2009, 08:11:46 PM
it's not exactly about equality. it's about social conformation through socially constructed norms. guess it is a shame though i'm dealing with it.
But those norms are evolving, slowly, too slowly, but they are changing. Look at the difference in just the last 50 years.
Yes but people still maintain them. even if on a global scale it may seem it is changing, in closed doors things happen differently.
besides even if they are changing new constructions will be made and will form. it's not necessary certain that it would be better
Quote from: Sarah on September 04, 2009, 08:27:12 PM
Yes but people still maintain them. even if on a global scale it may seem it is changing, in closed doors things happen differently.
besides even if they are changing new constructions will be made and will form. it's not necessary certain that it would be better
I see what you mean, so sad, so wrong
Life is sad :(
Quote from: Sarah on September 05, 2009, 09:46:45 AM
he might be younger than you
maybe, depending on his spelling mistakes.(NO offence :laugh: )
Quote from: Samia on August 24, 2009, 01:38:07 AM
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hi. is this a one time / one mosque thing or does this happen every friday at every mosque?
you supplied thlink to an egyptian forum but i can't read arabic :)
Quote from: mavera on September 05, 2009, 11:11:21 AM
hi. is this a one time / one mosque thing or does this happen every friday at every mosque?
you supplied thlink to an egyptian forum but i can't read arabic :)
The main poster says it is a congregational salaat, others say it could be the eid salaat. No one says it's an ongoing thing, maybe that's why some say it is the eid salaat; but surely not everywhere. I think this took place in Alexandria.
Quote from: Samia on September 05, 2009, 12:53:58 PM
The main poster says it is a congregational salaat, others say it could be the eid salaat. No one says it's an ongoing thing, maybe that's why some say it is the eid salaat; but surely not everywhere. I think this took place in Alexandria.
I think it is wonderful that it happened at all.
Quote from: Samia on September 05, 2009, 12:53:58 PM
The main poster says it is a congregational salaat, others say it could be the eid salaat. No one says it's an ongoing thing, maybe that's why some say it is the eid salaat; but surely not everywhere. I think this took place in Alexandria.
thanks. well, that's a start.
Quote from: Samia on September 05, 2009, 12:53:58 PM
The main poster says it is a congregational salaat, others say it could be the eid salaat. No one says it's an ongoing thing, maybe that's why some say it is the eid salaat; but surely not everywhere. I think this took place in Alexandria.
Its like mocking islam don't you think?
Quote from: RasulHamsa on September 05, 2009, 05:22:36 PM
Its like mocking islam don't you think?
more like mocking hadhislam :laugh:
Quote from: RasulHamsa on September 05, 2009, 05:22:36 PM
Its like mocking islam don't you think?
Why separate families? There is no order in the Quran to create DIVISIONS between the believers.. Quite opposite actually
9:107 And there are those who establish a temple to do harm and cause rejection, and to divide between the believers, and as an outpost for those who fought God and His messenger before. They will swear that they only wanted to do good, and God bears witness that they are liars.Quoteyes they can be distracted too, thats why women are also required to lower their gaze
This requirement is for both, men and women.
God made men and women live together in a family.. Family is a mini model of the society. Male and female - it's all about balance. By separating male and female we create imbalance. If person's intent is to pray towards God, then the person will do that. And if that person is just showing off, but inside is not really believing, then of course he will get easily distracted. Because he does not have a goal ;) Muslims are all brothers and sisters to each other. So in those pictures I see brothers and sisters turning together towards God. If you think this is forbidden.. Well it is your choice and freedom to believe so :) May God bless you :)
Quote from: Samia on August 24, 2009, 01:38:07 AM
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Peace,
Rerspectfully.
Salam.
I love the fact that women pray with men, this is Freedom and The Beauty.
Glory be to our God.
God bless you all.
Peace.
free minders means freedom. Professionalism. if men and women pray separately it is ugly and fascism. taliban and americans are extremists. Free minders is ultimate truth as it has understood what no one understood since Adam and eve. Long live the wise free mind. :sun:
Quote from: AHMED(Abrar) on October 04, 2009, 09:23:42 AM
free minders means freedom. Professionalism. if men and women pray separately it is ugly and fascism. taliban and americans are extremists. Free minders is ultimate truth as it has understood what no one understood since Adam and eve. Long live the wise free mind. :sun:
Americans are extremists? all of them? Remember that there are american muslims too.
Quote from: AHMED(Abrar) on October 04, 2009, 09:23:42 AM
free minders means freedom. Professionalism. if men and women pray separately it is ugly and fascism. taliban and americans are extremists. Free minders is ultimate truth as it has understood what no one understood since Adam and eve. Long live the wise free mind. :sun:
@ oh I forgot. :welcome: to the free minded forum. (although there are a few narrow minded people, we turn out fine).
quote]Americans are extremists? all of them? Remember that there are american muslims too.[/quote]
sorry about using generalised statements but according to Koran the justice once asked forgiveness for making a generalised judgement on 99 goats and 1 goat case. It is Wise not to make generalised statements.
Quote from: AHMED(Abrar) on October 04, 2009, 09:23:42 AM
taliban and americans are extremists.
Peace,
Respectfully.
Incorrect. Americans are not extremists.
There are 300,000,000 Americans out there and i'm marrying one and i have several friends who are Americans.
What about the poor Americans, the orphans Americans, the homeless Americans, of which some fought in Vietnam, what about single parents in USA, are they extremists?????
I think it's the US government your're angry at and you shouldn't be - rather fix it.
Glory be to The Lord.
Peace.
Quote from: Alen on October 05, 2009, 10:08:53 AM
I think it's the US government your're angry at and you shouldn't be - rather fix it.
Glory be to The Lord.
Peace.
Who elected the US government?
Quote from: Alen on October 05, 2009, 10:08:53 AM
Peace,
Respectfully.
Incorrect. Americans are not extremists.
There are 300,000,000 Americans out there and i'm marrying one and i have several friends who are Americans.
What about the poor Americans, the orphans Americans, the homeless Americans, of which some fought in Vietnam, what about single parents in USA, are they extremists?????
I think it's the US government your're angry at and you shouldn't be - rather fix it.
Glory be to The Lord.
Peace.
Are you sure or this is your love for your sweetheart speaking :-* :D
Quote from: afridi220 on October 05, 2009, 04:16:22 PM
Are you sure or this is your love for your sweetheart speaking :-* :D
Alen is exactly right.